Hot Rocks: The Green Vault Heist

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2:03Ridiculous crime is a production of Eye Heart Radio. Aaron Barney. Howdy. Elizabeth Barney. How are you, buddy? I'm doing pretty well, girly. I have a question. There you go. Question. You know it's ridiculous. Oh, thank God you do have a question. Yes, I do. So this one, it sounds a little bit dark, but actually it's very sweet and it's definitely ridiculous. So imagine if you've told a number of people that your friends with Charles Barkley. Okay. No one believes you because of course you're like, why would anyone believe you? You're not a basketball player. You're this older Asian man who is a cat litter scientist. Oh. Yeah, in Muscatine Iowa. So it's not like you get out a lot. Yeah, yeah. People are like, how do you know Charles Barkley? If you tell people all the time and then unfortunately you pass away. And then Charles Barkley shows up to your funeral and delivers a heart-breaking eulogy.

3:07No. Yes. So this reporter, she wrote about this for WBUR, the radio station. Okay. Her name is Shirley Wang and it was her father. And apparently her father is this guy Lin Wang. Uh-huh. And he was a commuter, right? He's like always flying around. He stays a lot in hotels. So he was out here in Sacramento. Oh. And he was out doing something for business and he was in a hotel bar. And then there in the hotel bar was Charles Barkley because I guess it's his child. They're like covering a king's game or whatever because this is like after his flying career. And they get to talk in and they start like you know, just going back and forth and he's making Charles laugh. And the two of them, they hang out that night, he goes back down to the bar and next night Charles is there. They talk again. And then he's like, yeah, hey, you know, if you ever in town look me up kind of thing. And most people don't assume if that Charles Barkley is looking at Lin Wang. It's like sure. So our send in of text messages all the time. And oftentimes like his daughter looks over the text messages, Charles Barkley wouldn't respond. There'd be like five texts in a row from Lin.

4:07And it's all like, hey, it's all you TV, great game. But I had nothing. I was wondering you like whatever, you know, nothing, nothing. But some of the times Charles would. And then he respond to him. And apparently they had a really genial, honest to goodness, deep felt friendship. And I love nobody ever believed it. And you know, he's always like dear brother, happy birthday. Brother greatest SNL. There are a lot of benefits to being bald. Law. He's sending text messages like this to Charles Barkley. And he's not responding. He's just like, you know, whatever. But when his daughter sees this and thinks like, oh, dad, you're. You've been harassing Charles Barkley. And then then her dad unfortunately passes away. And who comes and gives the eulogy but Charles Barkley and explains what a great man he is. How he always talked about his daughters. It tells his daughter what a great father he was and how proud he was of them. And it's just like, you know, you know, you know, and it's just like she's like, I had no idea. He knew so much about my mother, my family, all of us. That's incredible.

5:07So apparently Charles Barkley is everything you would hope he is in terms of. You're a listener. Yeah, being like, well, being genuine. I know that he has like certain issues. Like I'm not suggesting he's the best person I heard. But he doesn't want to be your role model. Exactly. And he says. And he says. But he is the good heart that you sense he is. Yeah. And he is one of his best friends. He was a cat litter scientist. I love that. That's, that is an awesome way to get around. It's a great story on WBUR if you want to read more. Got it. Oh, so good. Do you want to know what else is ridiculous? Oh my God, I'd love to. Committing crimes while awaiting trial on other crimes. Who? Oh. This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons.

6:08It's always 99% murder free and 100% ridiculous. Oh, you damn right. I am. Okay, we've talked about gems and jewels here before. Numerous times yes. Like I don't know a whole lot about that world. And I think most of my knowledge comes from my research of ridiculous crimes. But I know when a stone is massive. Okay. And I know when it has serious history. This is true. And I know that makes it valuable to the owners. Well, that's not entirely true. You are able to pick out rocks. You know, like, oh, that's a sapphire or that's like some of the gemstones. Yeah, but I mean, like I don't know about like the various cuts of it and like. Oh, yeah. That's all trendy and this point what yeah. But all of those things, right? I know it makes it irresistible to thieves. This is true. Right. And that's what we're all about here, Zaryn. That's what we do. Good old fashioned theory. Here's a stable to thieves. Yeah. So today I have for you a heist. What do you got? What do you got? Saft jewels of jewels. You know, I love this.

7:08I know. One of which was a big dog if ever there was one. The jewel or the heist. The jewel. So I'm talking about the Dresden White Diamond. This sounds familiar. Is this a famous famous? Do you already do this story? Have you told me this story? No, no, no. It is a famous thing. I think I've seen it. It's also called the Saxon White. And this thing is large, colorless, cushion cut diamond. And sources give its weight as around 49.71 carats. Some take it up to 62 carats. That's a lot of carats. Yeah, that's massive. So like if a lady is walking around like just in real life with a five-carat engagement ring, like that's a rock on their fingers. Exactly. Beyonce's ring from Old Man Carter, 24 carats. Okay. That corrupt diamond that I told you about before, the one that the lady in Vegas had, the one with Taylor's ring from Richard Burton, is enormous 33 carats. And this one was what? Potentially 62 carats. That's nuts. Twice as big as Elizabeth Taylor's rock. Oh, almost twice.

8:08Yeah, so the Dresden White was in a league of its own. They think that it originated from the Gulkonda minds in southern India. And it was likely mined sometime in like the 17th to 18th century. Oh, way back. Yeah, it gets its name from Dresden, the capital of Saxony Germany, combined with the Gem's white color, Saxon white. It's very original. It's very original name. Very original. It was acquired in 1728 by Frederick Augustus I. Hello. Augustus the Strong, a Lecter of Saxony, an eventual King of Poland. Yeah, that's why I know. Yeah, so I mean, you're friends with him, right? Well, we're in the same reading group. Do you guys text each other? Yes, it's all vellumson. So he was so captivated by its cut, its clarity, its color that he was like, I don't care what it costs. I want it. Okay. And it wound up being somewhere between $750,000 or a million. Right? Now, that's in worse, I'm saying dollars.

9:08That's not currency. Yeah, obviously. And it's like an inexact calculation to figure out what it is in US dollars today. But you know what, Zaryn? I care. I gave it a shot. Did you? I did. I'm proud of you, Greg. So I'm here to average the consumer price index inflation from then to now, which is kind of pointless because the US didn't exist and the measurements were wildly different to years. And he didn't even count things this way back then. But the rough math takes it to around $73 million today. Okay, my guess was 71. So close. You're good at doing math in your head. Yeah, well, I keep up with the Poland price index. That's true. And so this is all based on estimates and based on that one million unit figure, whatever. figure whatever. So gems appreciate also at a different rate and they go through massive ups and downs when you're talking about this category of diamonds. So basically we can say it's a whole lot. I got it. And I don't I can't get too much sharper than that on the money for you. To ship load. Yes. Anyway, so the diamond became closely linked with the more famous

10:13Dresden Green diamond. Ah, not the Dresden Green. The Dresden Green. So in 1748, Augustus the second had a second golden fleece badge made by this Geneva goldsmith that included both the Dresden Green and the Saxon white and the two stones stayed together in the badge for like 20 years. A little loud. I'm just saying. I mean, it's screaming. It's huge. What are we compensating for? That is a huge brooch. It was Augustus the second's favorite piece to wear during state festivals. Yeah, I know. Oh my god. Are those fake? That's like, was that paste? Yeah. Then later in 1782, the court jeweler reworked part of the setting into a diamond epilet with the white diamond as a centerpiece. That's a shoulder thing. So there's one diamond on one shoulder. Is there like some kind of like fur that it's like holding so your eye goes there? Let's say it is. Let's say it's holding like I don't know a live rabbit.

11:16I'm like bitching like snow leopard fur. No, I'm just like a rabbit. They've zip tied a live rabbit to his shoulder. This is why I don't get to design military costuming. Okay, where was I? So that's that's the focus here. It's a white diamond. Now let's get to the locus. You said you like that? You see that smooth. I'm smooth as silk. It rhymed from the focus to the locus. Someone called Sean Carter. So they glueness give vulba. Right? How good was that? Sounds convincing to me. I was probably totally wrong. I mean, that was like almost sorry, Germany. It was more like frankish. It was like both. Glueness give vulba. Oh, yeah. And you from the Holy Roman Empire? Yes. How did you know? It's been crowded. I'm Augustus the 19th. The green vault. Yes. Okay. So remember Augustus the strong electric electric. Yeah. He founded the green vault in 1723. Grueness. As part of Dresden's constellation of art museums, state art museums, there were 12 all told.

12:20And so the nickname of the place the green vault comes from the Malachite green paint that was like covering it used in a lot of the rooms. Okay. So it must have like the place is crazy. There's so much gilding like gold ornamentation everywhere. And it's real gold. It's not spray painted in hot glue. Real gold. Yeah. Like church gold. But still tacky as I'll give out. Anyway. So Augustus, he spent the better part of the 1720s like putting together this collection at the gallery. And he wasn't shy about why he was doing it. Like he was basically in a jewelry arms race. With Francis Louis the 14. I was my guess. Yes. Every glittering commission is like another shot fire. Yeah. And the results are like just mind blowing even by like royal treasury standards. So they the one of the highlights to this place is a 63 centimeter figure of a more encrusted with emeralds. And this one feels offensive in Macau live. Yeah. You think? Like my little man is basically

13:24only wearing jewelry and carrying a platter of emeralds. He's got on a giant necklace and no pants. Oh. And like a belt of gold chains and a choker and a crown and like a huge grin. And is he look African? Yeah. He's painted brown. Yeah. I guess that's what I mean. He's not wearing traditional morish dress. I didn't think I didn't think they were gonna do that. Like a Shakira jewelry bikini. Yeah. I just want to know how brown they got. Oh, they gave him the full on exoticized other. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I mean, that's that sort of like colonial. It's true. Yeah. Still. Bearer of my jewels. Right. And that's what he's doing. He's holding a platter. And it's just got like ever built into it. Yeah. So anyway, the museum. They also had a 547 carrots sapphire. What? It was a gift from Russia's our Peter the first. Wow. That's huge. The Pete. Yeah. That's like the ask got to be the size of like a human head. Yeah. I mean, well, dude, if Peter the great gift you a giant rocket sapphire. How many he really is into you? He wants to know. That's why he

14:28pulls your pig tails. So the broader hall like jewels, broke objects, all this like elaborate gold stuff that that was pulled in between 1723 1730. Okay. And that's what makes the green vault one of the oldest museums in Europe. Hmm. There it is. The end. So the collection. It has gone through more history than like most nations. It survived the allied fire bombing of Dresden in World War 2. Wow. And then they didn't have to move that this jewelry arms risk. No, but then it was confiscated by the Soviets afterwards. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, come on. We've got. How do we give these rocks to the people? Give it to the people. Then we've got murder and to do. It wasn't returned to the city until 1958. Hmm. So the building itself, I mean, it did take heavy damage in the war. Sure. But then it was painstakingly restored. And there was like this huge international fanfare when it was finally reopened. And today the museum is split into like a historic wing and then a

15:28newer one. And the green vault portion is like 10 rooms, 3000 pieces of jewelry and other treasures. And like it's just in like a former royal palace. Okay. So it is pulled in crowds. Like I said, since like 1724. And that's something that is just screaming for a heist. Yeah, people love the rocks. Yeah. So even a film or to steal them. Exactly. All right. So let's get into it here. Please. The job began at around 4.50 a.m. on Monday, November 25th, 2019. This is very recent. The opening move was arson. So the thieves are people working with them. They torched a power distribution box near the museum. All right. The fire knocked out street lights, plunge the area into darkness. So the tram stop street lights are out and then also presumably alarm system from ever switching on. So you know, the investigators later like, yep, this was deliberately disabled sabotage. So by 4.57 p.m., seven minutes after the explosion, the crew was moving on the vault itself.

16:34They were in there. They climbed in through a window in this mirrored hall of treasures. Okay. Then they cut through a barrier fence, cut through the heraldry room. They get to the jewelry room. And that's where all the show pieces are. Makes sense. Yeah. So in the jewelry room. And so like the police were like, yeah, this is obviously very targeted. They smashed open a display cabinet. It only took minutes. So it's like the Lou fights where they're just cut and smash it and go through a window. Yes. So the two, two guys, they're dressed all in black, which are caught on surveillance footage. Yeah. What do they care? They're all black. They went after like three specific display cases. They had like a little axe forcing their way through the glass. Everything, pitch dark, except for the beam of their flashlights, like shining off the checkerboard floor and gold on the walls. That must have been cool. Guards watched the whole thing on CCTV. Where were they? You'll find out. They call the cops. Officers get there within five minutes, but the thieves are gone. Yeah. And they took 21 pieces with them. And the stolen haul reads like a royal jewelry box,

17:40right? A diamond covered breast star from the Polish order of the white eagle. Not the Polish order of the white eagle. I don't know. I don't know. You hadn't heard about this at your meeting. Frederick and I were talking about them the other day. He just the other day. A hat clasp built around a 16-carat diamond. Okay. Kind of like the one that I have. Yeah. 14 other just like huge stones. 103 smaller diamonds. Yeah. Just basically a sword hilt that was like studded with nine large and then 770 small diamonds. Whoa. There's a matching scabbard. A diamond encrusted sword hilt. Handled sword and a diamond encrusted hilt. Diamond shoe buckles. This is like looking at your closet, Sarah. And they dare to say things about rappers jewelry collections. Right. Diamond buttons. Diamond hair clips. Diamond necklace. Chief among the losses was the famed 49-carat Dresden white diamond or 63. Somewhere in there was a say 56. Call it the middle. The cushion cut showstopper as I like to call it. So it was one of the single most prized

18:42stones in the whole collection. And you know almost everything that was taken came from that you know Frederick Augustus. Yeah. The jewelry arms race. But really Frederick Augustus the third, the final collector of Saxony. He like later re-styled himself in the vein of Frederick Augustus the first. Yeah. The first king of Saxony. So these weren't just like pretty objects. They were created and like developed to broadcast Saxony's wealth. And like you know the level of craftsmanship. I had to keep up with France right. I mean essentially. Yeah. The sunkanged. They're like, we can do it too. So CNN just like gave this rundown about several of them like big missing pieces. That hat class by mention that was made in the 1780s and worn to Galas by Frederick Augustus the third. 15 large diamonds over 100 small ones. A 16-carat centerpiece underneath a diamond bow. It just sounds just as tacky as there was another epilette. A shoulder ornament also made

19:43for Frederick Augustus the third that had 230 diamonds. That one wasn't to hold a rabbit. That one was to hold a lizard. Like a sash. Yeah. So there's that sword we talked about that. The diamond on diamonds order the white eagle right. Yes. That one that goes back to Frederick Augustus the third childhood introduction to Polish knighthood. And when he was an adult he had the cord jeweler make it into a bird shape with like a large drop cut diamond that formed the body and then like two clawed feet below it. And you turn this into a bird. Yeah. Make it a bird. And then the companion piece the order of the white eagle breast star. That was done in the 1740s in Geneva by a swiss jeweler. It was an eight pointed star centered on a 20-carat diamond. It had like a multi-cross made of red rubies. The bow shaped pin. That was like a lot of women at the time wore it low on the neckline. Oh look at my deck. Draw your eyes. Hey my eyes are down there

20:48as they're saying. And that's his wife wore that thing all over the place. And it was really supposed to be celebrating the birth of their daughter. Of course. 660 diamonds. Nothing says new baby like six hundred six hundred and fourteen carrots. It should be so heavy. There were you know there's like one that looked like fan leaves of a palm tree. That was for the order of the golden fleece which is like an order founded to defend the Catholic faith. There were just pearls pearls for days. Finally somebody got some pearls and they hit like had been gathered individually but they weren't straw and the 1700s but then it wasn't until like the 20s that they strung them into an necklace. I love all this energy going into look at my rock collection basically. Basically. Not like normal rocks. So that's the heist and that's the hall. Okay. Take a break and when we return we're going to dig deeper into this paper. Heck yeah.

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26:00then I'm revolutionary. We're here for the messy, the brilliant, the human version of our heroes. When I go on stage, I like to dress as slutty as possible because it makes me dance better for some reason. I'm Emmanuel Jotchi. I'm Kai Wright. And this is Big Lives. Listen to Big Lives on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get podcasts. Zaryn. Oh, Liz, but Zaryn. So we got the green vault, burgled, yes, burgled hot rocks. Oh, yeah, total hot rocks. All the treasures lifted in the blink of an eye, but not all was lost. One marquee piece dodged the whole affair by sheer luck. And that was the 41 carrot Dresden green diamond. How did they drop it? Or yeah, well, I mean, it was like, no, they didn't drop it. Zaryn. Sorry. It's the main piece in the whole museum. Yeah. But it happened to be

27:03on loan to the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York when the break didn't happen. So it wasn't home at the time. You couldn't even reach it. Right. It was that one came into the collection in 1742. But you know, it was on vacation, all told the state prosecutor's office put the value of everything like, you know, 43 hundred diamonds in total, like at a minimum of 113 million euros. That's like 128 million. And that's in 2019. Uh-huh. None of it was insured. What? Yeah. What do you ensure that? Well, see, that's the thing. Like Saxony's finance minister was like, this is standard practice. Yeah. Insurance premiums for treasures like these are higher than the cost of repairing any damage they might suffer. Totally. And also, I mean, they're essentially priceless. There's no price until you sell it. Basically. Yeah. And so before they made their exit, the thieves, like they doused the room and powder from a fire extinguisher. Super like CSI trick to muddy any forensic trail. Yeah. That's. And I mentioned that the police were all seen within minutes of

28:08the alarm going off. Okay. Suspects had already vanished. Their getaway was an Audi S6. Heck yeah, that that doesn't do right. Getaway. Yeah. That's a zoom, zoom. I recently learned that Audi, that he, the guy, Horsh, he wasn't allowed to use his name because he got kicked out of, he started a company called Horsh. The company kicked him out and they kept his last name. He couldn't start the, he started a new car company. He's like, what do we call it? I can't call it Horsh. Some kid is sitting there in the boardroom like son of one of the board members is like, yeah, well, you know, he's working on doing his Latin homework. He's like, well, Horsh means listen in German. Why don't you just say it in Latin? And so they named it Audi. No way. Yeah. Fart track. Horsh. Look what that got you. Look. Yeah. Exactly. So yeah, Audi S6. That's my question. They, they ditched and torched it in an underground parking garage and then they went on to Berlin and another car Mercedes that was like, dolled up to look like a taxi. Police they put a roadblock.

29:12Police put up roadblocks on the highways leading out of the city, but like they're right on the Audubon and the thieves are like, we got a head start, buddy. We got an S6 later. In the days that followed officials are like, Oh boy, these are all going to get broken apart. You know, this is, these aren't going to survive. These rocks again. Yeah. You know, they, they, they're not going to be difficult to pry loose, recut. You know, they're gigantic. You can get a bunch of stuff out of there. You get a, the, any recent, you know, reasonable gem cutter, they can turn those into so many different things. Exactly. And so much to work with. You know, it's like leftovers. They can just, they can repurpose them. This could be a top. We can turn the top. We can turn the top. Topping. So investigators, they put up a 500,000 euro reward for information leading to an arrest or the recovery of the jewels. Oh, okay. Then things got messy. Oh no. So on November 29, 2019, a security guard got arrested and prosecutors initially suspected that he had leaked details

30:14about the museum's layout and the security set up to the thieves. And then they also accused him and a colleague of failing to respond properly when the break in was underway, like basically letting it happen. Yeah. Look, not looking the other way, just watching the CCTV. And they had, they had watched the robbery unfold live on their monitors. Didn't intervene. So the police were like, what, what is even happening here? And like, what was what was between you and stopping the heist doing the thing you paid for? But then the director of the state art collections was like, no, they had actually followed protocol. I swear to it. Because they were told like they didn't have weapons. They just, they're like, just what were they supposed to do? Are they basically just people? They're just like, don't touch the art. decorations. They're decorations. They don't lean on the glass. Four guards wound up coming under scrutiny. March 2020, investigators were also looking at these two other guards. They hadn't even been on shift that night. And we're like, oh, if they maybe they helped the thieves. They're all inside it. And every one of them was released

31:16and the charges dropped. They had no connection. So there was another thread that seemingly led to nowhere January of 2020. An Israeli security firm called CGI Group claimed that its investigators had made contact online with the culprits. And German authorities were like, we don't have any evidence of a ransom. Like, what are you talking about? And also, why are you contacting stolen jewel guys? Yeah. And I want to add that the CGI Group would go on to be hired to identify and track down the crew involved in the Louvre Heist in 2025. Are they just like freelance? It's a company that's made up of former Israeli intelligence professionals and they specialize in intelligence gathering, like working for security, consulting for businesses. So something hits the news. Or like, they can't just inserted themselves in this one. Okay. According to a message first reported by the German tabloid build, someone reached out to CGI and offered to sell back a pair of the stolen stolen pieces for about nine million euro. Wait, why would the that part big? Thank you.

32:22Now I'm suspicious. And then nine million euros like way under the appraised worth. Yes. And it's like why them? PS it needs to be payable and Bitcoin. Okay. No. I don't believe any of this. So the CGI's founder and CEO, Zvika Nawe, he came up with emails from a sender that was calling themselves dark grim reaper. Like was a kid like a 13 year old kid. She was this is 4chan, damn. The dark grim reaper had masked their identity through the dark web. Naturally. And then said there's going to be no negotiation. You're never going to find me. Pay or play. And CGI was like, look, the museum hired us. Museum management hired us to look into the case. And then museum management was like, no, we did not. Who are you? And then in fact, the state art collection issued a joint statement with the local prosecutor's office, the police saying just that like, no, we didn't we never engaged. They had to do a statement. Uh huh. And so you're not saying more emails to them. Nawe for his part, he said

33:24that a large well-known European law firm had brought CGI on board. And that he just figured like, oh, this must be tied to like the insurance policy on the jewels. Everyone's like, uh, there's no insurance policy. Boom. Snap. There you go. Try your next life. Exactly. Uh, and so the cops are just like, we have wasted so much time on this. Get out of here. Real progress came from a different direction. Uh, that same January, German police, they zeroed in on a fresh set of suspects in an operation that put they had 1600 officers searching 18 departments garages and vehicles. Wow. Like that's I don't think all 1600 were on the on the actual searches. There were others back at the office. Yeah. Some were just like some had like filed some paperwork on it at one point in time. November 2020. Three German citizens have been taken into custody. Okay. And uh, this was all this like months of legwork dedicated task force. They called it

34:24Operation Epilette. Oh, cuz zip tie that rabbit, baby. Um, they focus on the epilette. Uh, so they, the investigators are like, look, we got this breakthrough because of CCTV footage and DNA evidence that was recovered from the burned out getaway car. Oh, they did pull some touch DNA. Okay. Um, and then there was a second lead, a man who had sold the batch of SIM cards used by the robbers during the heist. So they were doing like in depth forensic like trackins. Was the SIM card left in a phone like in the burned out car? I don't know, but like they were just able to, I don't know how they track that stuff. So the arrest tied the case to the same like what they were referring to as Lebanese mafia clan. The Lebanese, uh, whose members had already been convicted that year for stealing one of the largest gold coins in the world from a Berlin museum, the Boat Museum. The largest gold coin. It's like legit. It looks like it's like, what the heck is that?

35:26It's also known as the big maple leaf. It's something you'd see like on a roadside attraction largest gold coin in the world. Next stop. This was an audacious move. And I mean, it was bumbling. Yeah, a little bit. Okay. So we a little about this coin, a giant commemorative gold coin, minted by the Royal Canadian Mint in 2007. There was there were just five made ever. Um, one was kept in permanent storage at the Royal Canadian Mint in Ottawa. Another was loaned to Berlin's Boat Museum in 2010 by an anonymous private collector. That's hanky loan because like people want to see the largest one of the largest gold coins. How much do you think the coin weighs? Uh, 1200 pounds. Yes. I'm doing Elizabeth guess. I like that. That was so good. 221 pounds. Dear God. That's like kind of approaching gold toilet levels. Don't that's far more than I thought. Yeah. 99.99% pure gold. That's crazy.

36:291.18 inches thick with a 20.9 inch diameter. I had a picture of QE2 on it. Queen Elizabeth the second. That's nuts. It held the Guinness World Record for purity. Uh, the face value on it. Feet across. Yeah. The face value on it was a million Canadian dollars. One million million. I need one million Canadian dollars. Of one million. The weight alone like at market gold prices put it like at almost six million. Oh yeah. And now I mean, but the price of gold right? Having gone up since 2019. Yeah. So on the night of March 27th, 2017, thieves broke into the museum. They bypassed bulletproof glass, made a clean getaway with this huge coin. It was amazing. And they had like scoped out the location on earlier visits. How many of them were carrying the gold coin? And they're leaving. Wait, do you hear how they moved it? So on one of the earlier scopeouts, uh, they climbed up to the display window and

37:34like damaged the security glass, but it held fast. It did it's job. Okay. Um, so like the police are going for the actual highs. They broke a window at the back of the museum near an elevated rail line. And they used a ladder that they found on the tracks to get in and out. Wait, that they found they didn't bring the water. But here's my favorite. I told you it's bubbling. They used a wheelbarrow and a skateboard to move the coin. Yeah. I like how he's to move furniture. In my in college, I between my junior and senior year, I moved using a skateboard. Yeah. Uh, there's memory foam mattresses. You don't have to carry the same. Give me two skateboards. A couple boxes. Push it. Yeah. Uh, I mean, you go a couple blocks. You're not moving that far. Uh, all right. So they had inside help. A childhood friend of the ring leaders had taken a job as a security guard at the museum, like just before the theft. They didn't wait. They didn't, you know, um, the culprits were these cousins, Ahmed and Whissam Remo, members of

38:37the well-known Remo clan. Oh, we mentioned them before. Berlin family, Lebanese roots, tied to organized crime. Yeah. There was a third relative as well as the security guard accomplice. And so at a trial that went for 41 days over the course of a year. So it was like off and on. German trials are insane. Yeah. I've been following one now for like a year. And I'm like, whoon will you end? So I can get like to the point I could share this story. Right. So Ahmed and Whissam, they were each sentenced to four and a half years. And they were tried as juveniles because their ages at the time of the crime. Security guard got three years, four months. The fourth defendant, the cousin or whatever, he got acquitted for lack of evidence. And the coin. Yeah. Never been recovered. Oh, they melted. Oh, that's gone, baby. They're like, okay, obviously, you don't sell that thing. They cut it into pieces. They sold it off. It's gone. It's gone forever. So back to the green vault, at least one of the suspects that was detained in November 2020

39:38had also taken part in that job. Are you kidding me? That was with some remo, right? He was 23 at the time of the green vault thing. He'd already been sentenced to four and a half years over the coin theft. Yeah. And he hadn't begun serving it because his appeal was pending. Are you? He's on appeal on something that's like a lock. I'm not, you know, man, I'm not like a big fan of like, walk him up or any of that type of behavior. But when I hear stories about the European, like, has it in C to put anyone in prison? They're like, well, he's on appeal. So we're going to let him stay out, you know, and he's got to see his mother and got a robber, Robert gallery. And he's a member of like I said, this like crime is crime family. And they're the ones who inspired this German TV series called four blocks. I've not seen it, but that's apparently it. Two more suspects. Twin brothers identified as Abdul Majed R and Muhammad R still on the run. It triggered this large scale man hunt. So Interpol issued a red notice. Okay. And about a month

40:39later, Muhammad, he gets caught in a car that's parked in Berlin. And that's the same neighborhood that the Remmelkland calls home turf. Okay. Abdul, he evaded capture for another five months. And then he's caught May 17, 2021. A sixth and final suspect got picked up August 2021. By September of that year, prosecutors had formally charged all six guys with serious gang theft in arson. Don't forget they blew up the power station. Three or brothers, the other three are cousins. Police seized hard drives, computers, phones in the search, but the treasure itself was unaccounted for. And they're not talking. They're not talking. So let's stop for some ads. You know, people I want, Zaryn, I want you to really think about this. People worked hard to write, record and engineer these things. So let's be respectful and pay attention. Okay. If you say so. Eyes forward. And when these are done, we'll go to court.

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45:50and then I'm revolutionary. We're here for the messy, the brilliant, the human version of our heroes. And when I go on stage, I like to dress as slutty as possible because it makes me dance better for some reason. I'm Emmanuel Jocci. I'm Kai Wright and this is Big Lives. Listen to Big Lives on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get podcasts. Zaren. Two, I'd like to say one thing before you get started. Yeah, go ahead, please do. So with these, I was thinking about during the ad break, right? And like the brothers and the cousins who were like working together as a crime family, I 100% know if I had just one brother, we would be a crime family. I mean, like this another person, like I could trust completely like that's when I was my problem with crime. I'm like, I want to do this job by myself. I don't trust them because like they have every reason to flip on you.

46:51But a brother, you're like, mom's gonna be pissed if you flip on me. Oh, that's a good point. So it's like you're less likely. So we're really glad we're really lucky you only have a sister. Yeah, yeah, because she doesn't trust me that way. She's like, I'm not doing crime for you. Yeah, exactly. She's smart. She's smart. Yeah, she's a woman. She goes better. She goes better. She goes better. Along with her dumb brother, we're a crime family, Meg. So this crime family, as I said, the cops rated their homes. They came away with all sorts of tech tools, whatever, no jewels. And then, you know, what would be a long trial kicked off? As the New York Times tells it, quote, during the trial, which lasted 15 months, the six defendants sometimes seem like the crew of Oceans 11. And at other times like Mr. Bean. But it was not just the accused who at times appeared inept. The trial shed a light on a German justice system that failed to an almost comical degree when it came to stopping determined criminals.

47:53We'll take them 15 months or basically an open showcase of like, did you go in and smash the glass and take the stuff? You're, you know, you're waiting. You're on appeal for another one. You do it exactly. It's basically the same methodology. I mean, it's true. Okay, so the proceedings, they did deliver this like detailed play by play of how the job actually came together. So four months before the robbery, one of the guys traveled to Magdeburg about 180 miles northwest of Dresden. Okay. And he picked up a used already registered Audi S6 that wouldn't come to get away car. He later that he and some of the guys repainted it silver and left the roof only, you know, the dark original color. That was on the CCTV cameras would not register at the same. Right. Right. And nearly a week before the heist, another man broke into the city power supply service room at the foot of the Augustus bridge. Police investigate the time and they're just like, well, there's nothing alarming here.

48:53Around the still copper. Yeah. Okay. Well, we know lock it back up around the same time period. The crew cut this really like neat, precise triangular section out of an old metal grate covering a corner window of the treasure chamber. And they deliberately chose a spot outside the view of the nearest security camera. So they cut it and left it. Yeah. All right. Good. Then they pride loose about a foot and a half of thick rot metal glued the cut section back into place so that no one would notice. You want to know what tool ultimately did the damage. I don't know like thermal lamps. Powerful jack. Bodacious jack. No Swiss Army knife. No, they made like L.A.'s 118 firehouse on the hit ABC TV show 911 and they used pneumatic jaws of life. What? Yeah. What rescue crews used to pry open wrecked cars? Rip open the doors. You can't just buy those by the way. No, you got to steal that. Three months before the heist, Wissam, he broke into a specialized tool factory install one.

49:55The factory went right to the source. He went to the factory factory. I want a new one. And in an odd twist, he actually stood before a judge on an unrelated burglary charge just two days after the Dresden robbery. The court completely unaware what the stolen tool had been used for. He gave him two and a half years for the factory break in. I want to do crime in Europe. These guys are in and out of court while committing more and more crimes. It's incredible. A good thing, like I said, the trial reconstructed the early morning of the heist in vivid detail. I bet they had all those months to put together. Oh, you're in. They're in. Closet eyes. Oh, yeah, my eyes are glued. I want you to picture it. You are a criminal prosecutor in the higher regional court of Dresden. You're working the high profile green vault heist case. It's been a grueling 15 month trial. And now it is reaching its climax closing arguments. You are in the high security courtroom in Dresden.

50:58There's bulletproof glass and security gauntlet. One has to run to get in and out of this room. It's robust to say the least. This is the site of the most severe terrorism cases. The most complicated organized crime trials. And the green vault gem theft. Unlike in the United States, there's no jury for you to address. Instead, the presiding judge sits before you flanked by lay judges. These are ordinary citizens and they have equal voting power on guilt and sentencing. Closing arguments are generally purely fact. You've seen a lot of American TV. There, the prosecutors get to weave a story for a jury, appeal to their emotions. You wish that were the protocol here. And you think you may try to mix it up a little bit here too. Maybe spice up your closing to present the facts in a more accessible way. Everyone is seated. You are instructed to begin. You clear your throat. Ladies and gentlemen, your honor. I present to you a summation of the facts surrounding the theft

51:59on Monday, November 25th, 2019, of precious gems and jury from the glueness Gervalba. This may be a bit unorthodox how I present this information to you but bear with me. It will be worth it. You clear your throat again. Full of anxiety. Wondering if you are about to make a terrible mistake and end your career? Ladies and gentlemen, close your eyes. Are your eyes closed? I want you to picture it. The judge looks at you and raises an eyebrow. A lay judge shuffles some papers and looks confused, but then pulls his eyes. Another of the lay judges lifts a picture of water and pours yourself a glass. The microphone and friend of her picks up the sound and broadcasts it into the room. You pause and then continue. There are muffled comments behind you coming from the gallery. The judge says, this is highly unorthodox but do proceed.

53:00You begin. It's a little before 5 a.m. on that last Monday of November 2019. You tell them, you are a crow sitting on the rain gutter of a building in Dresden. You see a crude homemade bomb, really just a cooking pot packed with diesel and gasoline. Moments later it explodes outside the electrical service room by the Augustus bridge, killing the street lights and surrounding blocks. The blast ruffles your feathers, darkness descends on the area. You look over and see two men about a 200 yards away, slipped through a pre-cut hole in the window grate of the Green Vault Museum. You fly over to the building to get a better look, a lighting on a treeline. It's leaves turning yellows and oranges before falling brown and crack to the earth. You watch as the men set about hammering open jewel cases, striking the display cases 56 times in the span of a few minutes. All is dark around you. The sky, the streets and the room where the men are stealing such shiny, beautiful objects.

54:04You had no idea any of this was in there. You look around and notice the window they'd chosen sits in a blind spot invisible to any camera. And that likely wouldn't have mattered as the world around you is currently as inky as your feathers. Yesterday you heard an alarm coming from the museum. When you flew over to investigate you heard someone mention a motion sensor. They said it had been tripped and the guards were just shut it off. Never turned it back on, do you think? As the thieves shuffle in the gallery collecting handfuls of diamonds and triggering a tug of jealousy in your quick beating heart, you decide to check in on the rest of the building. You fly to another tree and other branch and here in the window where the guards sit and watch TV monitors all day. The woman who does this job in the mornings often sets nuts out on the windowsill for you and your murder. You know her face and your children's children will know it too, she, as become a kindred. You hop on the sill and look in the room. Two private security guards watch a closed circuit feed.

55:04On the screen the thieves struggle to free the jewelry from the cases. The goods appear to be held in place by tough nylon strings. The burglars fish through their pockets for utility knife or something to cut the strings. Meanwhile the guards argue, one keeps insisting that company rules bar them from confronting the intruders directly. We don't have any sort of weapon one shouts. The other size and picks up the phone. Hello, police. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what happened when the green vault was violated and the most precious items were stolen. Uh, okay, the judge says, do you have anything else to present? Anything of substance? I mean, I did enjoy being a crow for a moment. I won't lie. Me too, interjects the lay judge. But then the judge warns you that the stunt was in poor judgment. You nod, apologize and straighten your papers. You clear your throat one last time and begin to dry run down of the facts of the case. Inside, you think it was worth it. You compile facts and share all week.

56:05It's so nice to be creative and escapist and share an image and experience with others. At least you had a chance to help them picture it. Zaren. So meta-less. Picture it within a picture. Yes, I mean, you doubled the gun. You made me experience what it is to experience a picture. I felt like a German judge. Thank you. Not for the first time in my life, but it felt nice. Double up. Uh, uh, it was perfect. So Zaren, the case walked us through the actual heist. It also shed a light on what happened afterwards. Yeah, totally. So the Luke gets put in the Audi, ride on stolen plates. They took it to a parking garage in this residential street, like miles away. They went into that Mercedes to, you know, made up to look like a cab, set the Audi on fire. The fires spread to more than 60 other cars in the garage. Whoops. So it wasn't just like, oh, we tortured it in a field. Did they leave like some protester pamphlets, make it look like some environmentalist girl? That's what I would have done.

57:06Yeah, but it was unnecessary to have a matter of how you place it. Oh, definitely. It's a shame for the people who want the cars. Unnecessary guys. Come on now. And so the blaze, that racked up over half a million euros in damage. And it put the life of a woman who happened to be inside at risk. So they weren't just, again, go torch it in a field like you're supposed to. Like in the movies. Yeah, but the whole like we we borrowed a ladder. We actually didn't leave burned all these cars down. And then the second got away car that Benzo, that had the same fiery fate about a month later. I figured. Yeah. So the trial went on, like I said, for, you know, 15 months. But about a year in, one defendant, Robbe Rimo, Remo, he has a little bit different spelling than everybody else. He abruptly reversed his earlier testimony and admitted that he had in fact been inside the vault during the robbery. Oh, one of the cousins snitched. Yeah. Yeah. And so you've got to have a brother. You can't have a get on the cousin. That's far removed. The six defendants wound up revealing where the items were hidden as part of a negotiated

58:09arrangement. So they were like, we'll return the jewels and admit to the crimes in this in exchange for capped prison terms. So in December of 2022, German police, they recovered a batch of all these treasures, 31 objects in total. The not everything. Taken back to right. Taken back to the green vault. And but you know, here they they squealed, right? According to the New York Times, quote, Mahmoud Jaraba, an academic who studies criminal families like the remos, said that those networks were known for their loyalty and unwillingness to deal with authorities, which made the plea deal in the green vault case so striking. However, he added, because of a code of silence, it was very difficult for outsiders to know much about the real power structure within these families. The power structure and also the fact that they basically got to keep some of it. They gave them back some of it. Yeah, because as you pointed out, not everything was returned. Yeah, that's a good deal. I did that deal. The white diamond. No, where to be found. White diamond. So now we've got all six.

59:09They've all admitted the involvement. There are actually there were two one guy. He was able to prove that he'd spent the night in the emergency room that night. So he was out of it. And then another one was like, look, I'm innocent. I'm not I'm not playing this game. So there's you know, this fine print, right? Like not only would they have the cap to the sentence, they said that I'll all own up to my individual role each of them. But they had the right to stay silent about any accomplices that the police hadn't yet caught. That was another part of it. What a great deal. And they were given time with their attorneys to prepare the answers before facing prosecutor's questions about this. And then for their sentence, they got like what two weeks? Yeah, so they're like, yeah, we burglarized the museum. You know, it's not a lot of time. We can't give you any bigger picture details like what happened after we burglarized. Yeah, how many we did this who we've ever planned. We're planted, who's in charge. Whenever happened to that gold coin that we also stole. Exactly. Vertix came down May 2023. Five men all from the same crime family were convicted and sentenced for their parts

1:00:14in the robbery and the getaway. They were tried under youth sentencing guidelines because they were only 20 at the time of the heist. And those the other ones, not the original two brothers. Yeah, they're under 25 really think of something. Yeah, they got prison terms at range from four years and four months to six years and three months. Wow, actually years. And then that one guy had the alibi I was in the ER. Yeah, that's a good one. And then the government was also seeking 89 million euros in damages for the missing treasure and the damage to the museum. Well, that's least fair. They're still looking for 40 suspected accomplices. 40? Yeah. August 2024, all the treasures were back on display in the museum. They are still exactly as they looked when they were recovered. And they're part of like ongoing legal proceedings, technically still considered property of the court, but back on display. Interesting. Still property of the court. And we own these now. What's not there though? Dresden White Diamond. Still missing to this day.

1:01:16And they weren't forced to say anything about where it is. Exactly. What the 40 accomplices might have is. Exactly. Is there in what your ridiculous takeaway? Why can't we be crime in Germany? This is incredible. It's like if you're like doing crime on a children's scale. They're like, okay, that was a bad one. We're going to put you on a timeout. And you have to tell us at least one of the people who helped you in the classroom. I mean, this is ridiculous. And I'm not suggesting like, oh, you need to be like us. Like shoot everybody. Yeah. Blackmail their families. Room in their financial field. I don't want that. I'm not suggesting anyone be like American justice. But this is just incredible. Like there's got to be something where it's like we got to give the prosecutors a little more latitude. Like force us to tell some of the accomplices. I'm just a big fan of him going to court for stealing the jaws of life. Yes. And being a court student right in the house. Oh, so good. I do love stealing the jaws of life. That's an incredible move. I think stealing the jaws of life is going to be like the name of my album.

1:02:19Yeah. My album. Not a poetry collection. I mean, I'm a serious musician now, Zaryn. I'm sorry. I shouldn't. I shouldn't. I didn't say chap book, you know. And I was like, what is this? $5? What are you, baby? All right. Dave, please talk back. I need one. Talk back. Oh my god. Did you get fever? I like you. It lives a bit, Zaryn. It's a chicken sandwich here. And that's sandwiched with two M's. Original real boy form of bad boy. No ditty. Get a share with you the night. My younger brother, Chris Peabacon, no relation to Kevin. And I decided to five finger discount. Our neighbor's weight set. Free weight set. Well, free weights aren't free. And to make it long story short, rain plus weak arms equals failed attempt. After going home and covering the mud, we decided to work out the old fashioned way. No drugs filled with dirt. Thank you for everything. And that's ridiculous. That's incredible. Okay, so I just need to say that you're like,

1:03:20if you start a cult, I'll follow you. Totally. That's pretty amazing. In the poetry of that rain, weak arms. I mean, that was great. We're talking poetry. That's poetry. Yes. I mean, legitimately, that was beautiful. Put a beat under it that you're getting like a Grammy nod. That's some deep stuff too. I'm into that. That was great, brother. Thank you. I, yeah, leave us some more. I'm on more. I'm going to come back for more. I'm calling for more. I'm calling for more. That's it. We're going out on a high with that. That's it for today. You can find us online at RidiculousCrime.com. I'm going to still be processing this for a while now. We're also at RidiculousCrime. This is genius. We're also at RidiculousCrime on both Blue Sky and Instagram. Email us at RidiculousCrime at gmail.com. Leave a talk back on the iHeart app. Try and beat that one. Reach out. RidiculousCrime is hosted by Elizabeth Dotton and Zaren Bernett. Produced and edited by Dave Kustin, aka David The Strong, Elector of Little Italy.

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