Patrick Clancy’s Remarriage Triggered What Backlash?

0:00This is Hidden Tillers Live with Tony Brusky and Robin Dree. Outside the courtroom, there has been an ugly spectacle playing out around Patrick Clancy in the Lindsey Clancy case. The man moved to New York, remarried in his, tried to put one foot in front of the other. Instead of letting him heal, the internet has turned into a mob snapping photos of him on the street, tracking his personal life, and furious that he isn't publicly mourning the right way. Let's talk about this weird, aggressive urge people have to police the surviving father's grief to do that. Robin Dreeke is with me, retired FBI Special Agent. See for the counterintelligence behavioral analysis. Oh, I'm getting word. We might actually have another, we have more of Kevin on the steps of the courthouse. And why did it go his way? Oh my gosh. Here he is again.

1:01He's, looks like he's racing. He's trying to. Two. Two. Three. Here we go. All that. Look at that. Ring of fire. Tony, I'd love to say that you have too much time on your hands, but I have how much content you put out so you don't. Can I please host that game, Shell? Please? Can I host that? Yes, he's taking the physical challenge. Let's, let's watch that again. Here we go. Here we go. Mark Summers is magically also D.A. Mark is back to being about 28. You know, you should have done it. He's having getting off his harley with to do it. Yeah. He's Kevin. He's making it through. We're going to AI scary in it. Here we go. Do you like the ring of fire?

2:02I'd love to see Kevin Reddington do the moonwalk. Just so if you ever want to work on something, have him do like a Michael Jackson dancer. As he hops off his harley, because I still think that Harley is part of who he is. Oh my goodness. So yeah. Yeah. So yeah, the Patrick question. Yeah. So I mean, people have literally taken creep shots of this guy getting coffee in Manhattan and posted them online with captions. Like, yeah. Look at him. He doesn't even care about his babies at the drive. I mean, you should like that. I mean, I mean, when did true crime fandom cross the line into thinking we have the right to stalk a surviving parent and grade his pain? Yes. You know, he said, so we've covered this a lot with Shavon and there's a lot of things that play into this. His courtroom demeanor. The fact that he got married three years and so we've been talking about well, how long is too long to grieve? We have all these little data points, but I've been really thinking hard about this and

3:04that's because as you all know, Tony Todd and Lisa, you know, I had a clip that came out on Lisa Belu's Women of Influence podcast that was talking about how Patrick stood with Lindsey, the family stood with Lindsey, coworker stood with Lindsey, and I got absolutely eviscerated for saying the words Patrick stood with Lindsey. And I thought about this and trying to understand why because and why he said stood with Lindsey or stands with Lindsey, I meant that he supported her and the psychotic break because he was part of her life and he knows that wasn't her. That's the intent of my message. But the words stood with Lindsey, that's what got played on. That's what people are hammering. And so when I thought about that, I said, why were those words so triggering? And I, and I, when you take that optic back, here's what I really, really think this is about and all these other data points too, but the one of the major data points that when is human beings, we pick up on creepy. And when people make us feel creepy, we have a visceral reaction to it.

4:06We don't know why, but just make us feel creepy. So years ago, I looked at what makes us feel creepy. It's incongruence between what we see and what we expect from a baseline. And so I've been focusing on Patrick's behavior in there and how it was him grieving Shavon said the same thing. He's got walls up. Can you imagine the survivor guilty has and all these other things that played into how he's trying to cope and move on with his life. But what I really think was when people were hammering me for saying he stood with Lindsey, he doesn't look like he stands with Lindsey. And what I mean is what I think people are picking up on and I get it now. I don't think it makes any sense, but here's what it is. Everyone else that I've mentioned that we're saying is on Lindsey's side, where are all of them? They are all in the courtroom. They are all part of her life. They haven't moved on. The person that was closest for his own mental health, or whatever the reasons are, he's not there. So he's the in congruence.

5:08And what we've said it before, what does everyone want? Everyone wants a monster. They can't, you know, for the ones that are pro Lindsey, that can't believe she's the monster because there was a monster inside her, which is that psychotic break, or it was the postpartum, severe postpartum depression with SI idealization and then the the philocyte, altruistic philocyte, you know, whatever, whatever flavor you want, she wasn't in her right mind and cognitive of it. And the reason why again, the the Patrick Pyle on I think is because he is incongruent with what everyone else in his lot in her life is demonstrating in the courtroom and everywhere else. Even though he is completely innocent of absolutely any of the horrendous things people are saying about from my perspective, from testimony, from everything we're seeing actual data and not the TikTok verse. That's why I get it. It's just, I mean, it seems to be kind of this unspoken expectation that if you survive something horrific, you have to remain permanently broken to being deemed worthy of sympathy. I mean, because the rest of the family looks at it. Well, they don't, I mean, not all of them do.

6:08I mean, if Patrick were drinking himself to death in the basement, people would feel bad for him. The minute he tries to rebuild a life, it's treated like a betrayal. I mean, why are people so deeply offended by survival? And then they try to go to he's profiting like his friends set up a go fund me to help with the funeral costs and the medical costs. And here's how stupid some of the comments I've seen on that are. What medical costs? Bless your heart. You think Patrick wasn't sitting there at the end of the day after his wife did all this and there was no medical cost for all of that. And then the surviving child in the hospital for days and then the kids getting back, oh, trust me, there was hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical costs guaranteed for all of that. And then just trying to figure out life. And so here, it's easy to analyze.

7:09So if you could look at, because I know people are planning on that go fund me, which I think is really not right in a lot of reasons. But let's look at other cases. We've had them. I'm trying to remember that we've had a few of them where their go fund me is really set up. And so look at other cases, look at other examples of people that set up go fund me's that are very clearly for their own profit, their own order, right? Yeah, they're on shitty ones. And here's what the congruence on those all are. What are those people actually doing every day in their lives? Nothing. They're waiting to live off the go fund me. What's him and his new wife doing, working their asses off in New York City. He's still got a full time job. His new wife's got a full time job. There's still pain bills. So he went for a walk this morning and he's not in the courtroom. Oh my God. I just point out data points of let's look at other cases where go fund me's were used for malicious intent for profit for gain. And to think that someone strategized out, again, I know everyone's that's on the hate Patrick bandwagon always find the data points to support their point of view, because of

8:13the confirmation bias and our amazing ability to find patterns where they don't exist, you know, that that he decided that all right. I'm going to off my three kids, I'm going to set up a go fund me and make a lot of money and frame my wife. That's what some of these people are actually believing right after they got off the, you know, proven that the earth is flat. We didn't land on the moon. But it's just the most ludicrous thing because again, because think about this, what have we typically seen in cases where someone's trying to profit off a death? Life insurance policies. Yeah. No set up go fund me. So go fund me's are the things that either people set up before you have to the fact because you're in distress or you're in financial straits because you can't pay bills because I'll tell you and it's not because so think about this too because people say, well, you know, Reddington should be doing his pro bono's. I've heard that argument as well. Well, so put Reddington's salary aside. You know how much money it costs to bring to fly experts in to pay for their expert

9:13opinions. All these things it takes for three and a half years or three years plus to bring in all these people for that amount of time. So regardless of of Reddington's personal cost, the cost of bringing in how many witnesses again were there for defense. I don't know if time I had been. I mean, for defense, not it was a much smaller number than the prosecutor. Right. Because because everyone you bring in, you have to pay for. Yeah. But experts are not cheap to pay for. The prosecution side to state pays for it. And so defense, the family pays for it. Plus like you said, the medical bills of trying to treat her, the funeral costs, the whole and they took a loss on the house because they sold the house in order to try to pay the bills or whatever reason they are. I don't want to have a conjecture on it, but they took a loss on the house from my understanding when they sold the house. There's all these things. So all I'm saying is everyone take a deep breath and have a little grace and get a little more curious. Something stands out to you, says, um, dive deeper, don't come to a conclusion and ask

10:14yourself what does that potentially mean? And you hold multiple theories in your head and try to prove or disprove everything at the same time. No. Yeah. There's so many things that need to be looked at at a clearer light in this case. And I don't know. I walk away from it going, yeah. You know, some people, you know, earlier in the year, we read that the Mel or not, who's the, the, let them book the, um, oh, Mel, um, Mel Robbins, Mel Robbins book. I think I need to read it again. It's, I mean, it's, it's a, it's a regular philosophy of common philosophy, but, but sometimes, you know, you gave very caught up into how, how are you not seeing this, this way or how are you not seeing it my way or why can't I see your way? It's like sometimes you just got to go and do the, let's say however you want. Yes. So there's nothing I'm going to do to change this and everything. I mean, this is, this is one of the easier cases we've covered from the coverage standpoint

11:18because we covered it while it was in trial. So we're actually able to use just the facts and data as presented in the trial itself. And so it's been very easy to, to hear these wild ass claims on TikTok. People pretending to have authority or stating to have authority and, and I saw this here, here, here, and, and, you know, I'm not saying this, but this is interesting because I draw people in on pure conjecture, pure, humanistic way to find, to find patterns where they don't exist to prove a point because you don't like something in your life because you don't like the person in your life. No, it's very easy. Just go to testimony because both the prosecution who's trying to put her in jail for the rest of life and say this criminal culpable as well as the defense who's saying that she's not criminally, criminally culpable. If it was able to be flushed out as a fact by either side, it would be in there because they're throwing everything they possibly can at the wall to try to make it stick. So if you came up with something that wasn't in a trial, the likelihood of you coming

12:20up with an original idea is zero to nothing. I said it the other day, you know, the courage to be just like, hey, except the fact you're average, you're not special. You're not coming up with any great, grand schemes or ideas. I mean, on our show here every single day, it's just us coming up with great schemes or ideas of what we think is really going on. No, it's the bunking a lot of nutters that are coming up with crazy schemes and ideas that have nothing to do with facts, data and details, especially this case is so easy to follow. Watch the testimony, watch the all of it. All of it is there to watch. So just do it. It's just right there. Yeah. Well, and it's an ability to accept information that may make you feel uncomfortable or may challenge, you know, one's understanding or belief systems, things being like, and this is a case that that certainly, certainly does that. And then there's one more point here, Tony, too. And this is how you do it with an open mind. And even, you know, Coffin Defer who, you know, 180 degrees out, said it on air, said

13:22to her, even though we're still friends, you know, completely disagree on probably every single point about this case with her. You know, I, when how brain, I can't even say his name, right, the, the last rebuttal, special expert for the prosecution got up there and gave his two potential theories. As a guy that's on the side of, I think, I think the fence is right on this one. I think that she's not criminally culpable according to Massachusetts state law. According to what we've seen at mass adeviations split. And this is a prosecution expert getting up there. It's like, he made sense. I can actually entertain that thought because I'm critically thinking through the things he saw because what exactly he said during his testimony was because of her life, arc and her behaviors and all the testimony from all these people in his life. This does, he literally said, don't quote me. It was something that affected this completely does not make sense that she would do this. So with that information, there has to be another explanation. He gave the psychotic break explanation and the other explanation.

14:22That's how we maintain critical thinking is we entertain the thought of the other opinion and actually flush it out. And that's something we need to do more of. And I like that we do that here, but it would be good to see it in other places as well. Your thoughts in the comments section on substack and YouTube as we continue to wait for the the judge to bring the jury back in. And for Reddington to be back from the obstacle course and have, have filed what he needs to file and we'll see what exactly where this goes from here.