Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And Juror # 50 (3/27/26)

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1:01What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Tonight we're going to continue talking about the Golan Maxwell verdict and specifically about the interview given by one of the jurors and now all of the fallout surrounding that interview. Now this all stems from his account of how he gave his personal story inside of the jurors room to the other jurors as they were deliberating Golan Maxwell's fate trying to draw a picture for some of the other jurors I guess about how uh memories of the real core issues when it comes to trauma never change. And he tried to paint the picture of that for the other jurors using his own past experiences. And now the question is was he forthcoming during juror selection when

2:02asked questions about sexual abuse? That's really the main question here, right? There's a lot of other things going on and you know a lot of other background noise. But the main question is was this gentleman truthful when he was being selected to be put upon this jury. So now the federal government, well they've decided that they're going to do an inquiry into this. They have petitioned the court and I'm going to read to you the letter that the United States Attorney of the Southern District of New York sent to Judge Nathan. Dear Judge Nathan, the government has become aware that a juror has given several interviews to press outlets regarding his jury service in this case. While the court instructed jurors that they were free to discuss their jury service with any one of their choosing, some of the statements as related in the media merit attention by the court. In particular, the juror has described being a victim of sexual abuse. Assuming the accuracy of the reporting, the juror asserted that he flew through the

3:05prospective juror questionnaire and does not recall being asked whether he had been a victim of sexual abuse but stated that he would have answered honestly. So right off the jump, I mean you got to say to yourself here, what the hell? Now a lot of this testimony was given under seal, right? The juror testimony, the I mean the questioning to get onto the panel. So we really don't know what's going on and what's under seal, but the government does. So the government calling an inquiry here is a bit concerning in my opinion. And look, I've said it from the beginning, folks, I have no faith when it comes to the federal government prosecuting cases like this. When it comes to them prosecuting me or you, hell yeah, they're going to send us up the river without a paddle as the saying goes, but people like this, forget it. So we'll have to see what comes of it, but man, oh man. Based on the foregoing, the government believes the court should conduct an inquiry.

4:09The government proposes that the court's scheduling hearing in approximately one month, along with an appropriate schedule for pre-hearing briefing regarding the applicable law and the scope of the hearing. The government respectfully submits that any juror investigation should be conducted exclusively under the supervision of the court. If the court decides to schedule a hearing, the government respectfully suggests that the court staff promptly contact the juror to notify him of the hearing and inquire whether he would like counsel to be appointed in connection with it. Yo, and this is why I say all the time, there's no need to run out and speak to the media and get yourself in all kinds of trouble. You ever find yourself in a situation like this? Best bet. Don't speak to the media. The legacy media, they are not your friends. They don't have your best interest that hard. They're not your local independent content creator that you talk to on the internet all the time. These people are looking to break that story. They want them

5:10clicks, whatever drives the news. And now, I don't really blame them. That's their job and that's the culture that we're in. But the reality of it is, if you're ever somebody who is in a situation like this, I would suggest not to speak to the media at all because find yourself in a very difficult situation sometimes. The government reached out to defense counsel last night regarding the juror's statements, but defense counsel have not yet responded and thus the government is not aware of the defense position of on this issue. So that was the letter sent by Damian Williams, who is the US attorney for the Southern District of New York. That means he's Maureen Comey, Alison Mo, Laura Pomerantz, Andrew Rohr back all of their boss. So it's a pretty serious situation, obviously, right? And the government here again. Remember, they're the ones who know what's

6:11under seal. We don't. So them calling for this investigation certainly is a bit concerning. If you're asking me from the peanut gallery, again, remember, I am not a lawyer or a prosecutor. I've never even been in a court of law for something like this. So I couldn't, you know, tell you the likelihood of a mistrial or anything like that. But the good news is the article that we're going to use today and talk about today from a long crime and Adam Klassfeld, they're going to get into that a little bit more. So whenever we have one of these sorts of issues as far as real legal ease going on, I always like to use law and crime and somebody like Adam Klassfeld because, you know, it's kind of what they do for a living. Always a good idea to, you know, if you want to get ice cream to go to the ice cream shop, right? All right. So that said, let's take a look at this article and let's see what we have going on here. Headline. Court inquiry requested after Galein Maxwell juror goes public as survivor of sexual abuse. Like I said, this is from law and crime

7:18and the author is Adam Klassfeld. The day after three interviews ran with a Galein Maxwell juror coming out as a survivor of sexual abuse, federal prosecutors requested a court inquiry into how those accounts square with the man's answers to a jury questionnaire before a trial. So if, for instance, okay, let's just speculate here and that's all I'm doing. If he answered that he had never been sexually assaulted on that questionnaire, this is going to spell big trouble for the prosecution. And this will probably end up in a place of a mistrial at that point. So really, like we said, this this morning, it comes down to what he said during that questionnaire and was he truthful, was he honest, was he not, that's really what the the real question is here. And for me, you would think that some of that has to fall on the defense though, right? Isn't it their job

8:18to vet these jurors and make sure that there's nobody that might be, I don't know, somebody that harbors ill will towards their client? Isn't that what the whole process is about? Even though they answer the questionnaire, each juror has to be asked questions as well by the prosecution and the defense as they're going through the selection process. So you would think something like this would have come up. And so that that makes me believe for at least a little anyway, that there might be, you know, much to do about nothing going on here. And again, speculation, whatever he answered on that questionnaire is going to tell the tale here folks. And you know, them calling for this inquiry, that's what they're going to be trying to get down to the bottom of. Did he lie, right? Did he answer, no, I have never been a victim of sexual abuse and then come out in the jury room and have a whole different thing to say. And if that's the case, as much of a monster,

9:21as I think Elaine Maxwell is, that certainly would seem to me to be grounds for a mistrial. There has to be a certain standard that's followed, right? And you can't, as a juror, you can't be lying and shit like that. And sitting in a juror's box and deciding the fate of one of your peers. So we're going to have to see what this inquiry comes up with. And I will say that it certainly is concerning, but I'm not going to jump off of the deep end just yet until we have all of the facts, right? Shortly after the government's request, Maxwell's attorney, Christian Everdel, claimed that the revelation regarding the juror presents incontrovertible grounds for a new trial. Well, you know, he'd love that, right? Glenn Maxwell's lawyers, not only the fact that obviously that people don't like to lose, lawyers included, but they know the meter is running. A whole new trial, back up the Brings truck, we're going to need new experts. We're going to need a Elizabeth Loftus,

10:252.0. You know how it goes? They're going to do everything they possibly can to get a new, uh, get this called a mistrial and have things, you know, crack off once again. And if you leave any leeway for these people, any sort of loophole or technicality, you better believe these lawyers are going to grab onto it like a pit bull and not let go. And it's up to the prosecution to make sure that that doesn't happen, by the way. Again, like I've said from Jump Street, folks, the SDNY is not what it used to be. And a separate letter is co-counsel, Jeffrey Pagluchia argued that further investigation was unwarranted and the court can and should order a new trial without without any evidentiary hearing. Now that's a pretty bold statement there, Mr. Jeffrey P. Another one, he's like, yo, the meter is running. We had a great year last year at the end of the year as far as our financials go, considering how long this trial was drawn out. Let's get another trial locked in so I can secure another bag here. All right, all right. I'm being a wise guy with

11:30that. But you know, these lawyers are making a ton of money. And again, they don't like to lose. So if any sort of technicality or loophole presents itself, they're going to dive in. And to be frank, if it was me whose life was on the line, I would be demanding a mistrial here too probably. Now, is it going to work? I don't know. But I would be demanding it as well. I'll tell you that much because we know the evidence isn't there to get you out if you're going to max. Well, it's going to be a loophole or a technicality if you ever walk as a free woman again. So you better hope that it's something like this because short of that, the party is over for her. President Barack Obama. Virginia, we are counting on you. Republicans want to steal enough seats in Congress to raid the next election and wield unchecked power for two more years. But you can stop them by voting yes by April 21st. Help put our elections back on a level playing field and let voters

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13:33a juror failed to answer honestly a material question and then further show that a correct response would have provided valid basis for a challenge for cause. Paglucci is letter states. The standard applies even if the juror's conduct was merely inadvertent and not intentional. And again, down to the legalese part of it, right? I don't know how that, what the precedent says of that. I haven't dug into case study or anything like that. But you would think that they have a valid argument here. And it pains me to say that. But again, like I always say, you got to follow the evidence, right? Even if it leads you to a place that's uncomfortable or that you don't want to be. But from what we see here, it certainly looks like that the very least have an argument for this. And it's going to come down to what Judge Nathan thinks. Before the end of the day on Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan set a briefing schedule on Maxwell's request for a new trial. The defense motion is due on January 19th.

14:36The government must reply by February 2nd and Maxwell will have every opportunity to respond a week later. The judge reserved decision on whether a formal court inquiry inquiry will be necessary. So we're in a holding pattern here, folks. We don't know, right? What's going to happen one way or the other? You'll have some people that are going to talk about the skies falling. And this is the end of it all. And she's going to get out. And who knows? Maybe that is the case. I'm not willing to hop off of that bridge yet, though. There's a lot more to see here. And really, it's going to come down to the particulars inside of that sealed conversation, that sealed questionnaire. In interviews with three news outlets on Tuesday, a juror interviewed under his first and middle name, Scotty David, described how his personal experience is with sexual abuse. This verdict is for all the victims David told the independent, for those who testified, for those who came forward,

15:37and for those who haven't come forward. I'm glad that Maxwell has been held accountable. And while I share your sentiments, probably not the right thing to say to the media, right? Probably a good idea just to keep your lips shut and keep it moving. But this is human nature these days. Everybody wants to be the hero of the story, right? And you know, Mr. Scotty David had a few things that he wanted to get off of his chest, obviously. And oh boy, might have sunk the whole entire operation. David declared to the Daily Mail, Golan was a predator as guilty as Epstein. Can't disagree with that. Can't disagree with that at all. I agree 100%. But again, when you're a juror for a case like this, I don't know. It's probably a good idea just to tell your story walking afterwards. You know, save the conversation for around the campfire or when the family comes over for a monopoly game or something. I know personally, I certainly wouldn't be talking to the media.

16:42I'd be pissed already that I had to serve on a jury for all this time. Never mind wanting to go and speak to the media and and and extend the the misery because this is some harsh, heavy shit, right? I know if I was a juror here, I'd want to put it behind me and just keep it moving. But you know, again, I don't know what Scotty David said on that question air. So I'm not willing to, you know, say that this guy lied or anything like that yet because we don't know that those are the facts. We're speculating here and we're talking about the what ifs. But certainly there's enough smoke that there might be fire. And when the prosecutors call for an inquiry like this, you know that there's something going on there. After all I've learned, she's just as guilty as Epstein. David told the UK paper, I don't want to call her a monster, but a predator is the right word. Some jurors doubted the accounts of two of Max Maxwell's accusers David told Reuters.

17:44All three disclosures raised eyebrows among legal experts who noted that jurors were made to fill out a questionnaire asking them directly. Have you or a friend or a family member ever been the victim of sexual harassment, sexual abuse, or sexual assault? The query was followed by three separate boxes for yes, yes, friend or family member, or no. It's unclear how David answered as the jury was anonymous and their sensitive personal information was placed under seal. Both the government and the defense character, uh, characterizations of David's statements appear to be redacted. So again, we just don't know. I know that's not the answer people want to hear right now, but I'd prefer to go that route then sit here and blow smoke up your ass or pump your tires and tell you, oh, yeah, this is this and that is that when really we don't know. And I prefer for us to be correct and for us to be right as opposed to us just to fire off and

18:46say be first or whatever it might be. But when it comes to something like this, we have to get all of the information in because the crucial part is the stuff that is redacted, the stuff that we don't have access to. So we'll see what the inquiry finds, but you would think that if he, now look, if he answered truthfully on this questionnaire and said yes, and he was still able to be part of the jury, then that's on the defense. It's their job to vet these dudes. It's their job to make sure that they have the right jurors there to hear the case. So they have to be responsible for that, right? Now, if he lied, well, that's a whole different ballgame. And as they said earlier in that letter, talking about him getting counsel, yeah, that's the kind of shit that'll scare anybody. When you get a letter like that from a federal prosecutor's office or from the court asking if you have counsel, you know, you better gear up. It's time to go. Better call Saul, whatever it may be, but that's, you know, you're in a

19:46predicament there. So there certainly are some tea leaves that you can read into a little bit, but I don't think you can go much further than that. According to Reuters, David said that he flew through the initial questionnaire, and did not recall being asked about those personal experiences with sexual abuse on the form, but he added that he would have answered honestly. So I'm trying not to go too hard on this, dude, but what do you mean you flew through the initial questionnaire? There's not something to fly through. This isn't the terms of service of your Pandora subscription. Talking about trying one of your peers here, this is a very important and serious matter. So I don't like hearing that whole life flew through anything. Based on the foregoing, the government believes the court should conduct an inquiry prosecutor's wrote in a three-page letter. The government proposes that the court's schedule a hearing in approximately one month, along with an appropriate schedule for pre-hearing briefing

20:52regarding the applicable law and the scope of the hearing. Government respectfully submits that any juror investigation should be conducted exclusively under the supervision of the court. Well, who else would it be done under? Brings security company? Who's going to have discretion over that? Maybe you guys can go dig George Mitchell back out of the, uh, the old background and have him oversee things because, you know, why not at this point? I don't even know that means under the supervision of the court. All jury questionnaires were submitted anonymously under penalty of perjury and the government recommended advising the juror of his right to an attorney for any hearing addressing the matter. Judge Nathan granted that request. So again, this dude, uh, Scotty David, by speaking to the media, really put himself in a position and put the case in jeopardy if we're being honest as far as we know now anyway, at least in enough jeopardy where they're forming an inquiry here. So you better lawyer up. You know my advice on this podcast.

21:56I don't care if you're getting busted for a jaywalking ticket. If you have to deal with law enforcement, the answer is I want to speak to an attorney. Subject to the jurors right to the client court appointed counsel. The court will appoint the on duty CJA counsel to represent the juror. Nathan wrote, if counsel for the juror wishes to be heard on the issue of the appropriateness of an inquiry briefing by the jurors counsel may be filed by January 26th, 2022. So this is going to be unfortunately folks on a thing. It's going to be drawn out and we're going to have to be here every day discussing it. But guess what? We're going to be here cataloging this because it's very important and it's important to make sure that we stand top of it every single day because there is so much that goes on each and every day that if you even miss one day you're behind the schedule right you're behind the April. So this is going to go on for a while and it's going to be very interesting to see what comes of this.

23:02If the court were to conduct such a hearing Maxwell's lawyer said all of the deliberating jurors should be examined about David's conduct. Should the defense should the defense prevail on this motion and we believe the law and the facts are clearly on our side it would render all other post-trial motions moot. Everdele wrote in a heavily redacted letter. Miss Maxwell should not have to expend precious time and resources briefing other motions when this motion can and should be disposition. So excuse me this positive. Basically what he's saying here is that Maxwell shouldn't have to fight and spend money and time and resources on this stuff if this guy was BS and around and she should be focused on more important matters. Maxwell was convicted on five out of six federal crimes charged against her including conspiring to entice minors for Jeffrey Epstein's abuse and trafficking. Former federal prosecutor Mitchell Epner who led intake on sex trafficking

24:06cases in the district of New Jersey between 2003 and 2004 set up the development this is huge. Well no offense Mr. Epner but that was a different time. We're in a whole new era when it comes to sexual assault survivors and abuse and how people look upon these people. So while in 2003 and 2004 this might have been a gigantic deal and something that would really signal getting so on off things are a little bit different nowadays and the landscape has changed a little bit. The question was asked and the government knows the answers that were given said Epner who is now of counsel for Rottenberg Lippman Rich PC. I assume that he did not reveal past sexual abuse or else there would be nothing to investigate this could easily result in a new trial that is disconcerning got somebody like Mr. Mitchell Epner here who has obviously been a lawyer for a long time worked on both sides of the argument the defense and the prosecution guy like this

25:09thinks that this could easily result in a new trial. I guess all we could say is stay tuned right. X federal prosecutor Moira Penza who helped convict nexium cult member cult leader and sex trafficker and human trafficker and you know insert other scumbaggery here Keith Rainiery wrote on Twitter that Maxwell's legal team would have to prove substantial prejudice to disturb and otherwise sacrosanct Jerry Verdict and that is pretty important because it's true once the Jerry levels of Verdict it's kind of hard to get that bad boy overturned and changed so even though we have old Scotty boys statements here it's going to be an uphill battle for Maxwell to get this overturn to get a new trial and to get all of that motion for herself now they're going to do a look though they're definitely going to take a look at what went on here if it progresses any further than that is what we'll have to see given jurors admission prosecutors are right to ask for an inquiry

26:14but if he says it was a mistake and is credited by judge Nathan that's probably the end of it tweeted Penza who is now a partner at Wilkinson Stekloff Maxwell's attorney Bobby Sternham did not respond to an email requesting comment so that's an interesting statement given the jurors admission prosecutors are right to ask for an inquiry agreed but if he says it was a mistake and is credited by judge Nathan that's probably the end of it so I guess that means it would be a judgment call on Nathan's part if she decides to credit him and say it's a mistake then that's the end of that Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing victory lane yeah it's even better with chamba by my side race to chamba casino dot com let's chamba no purchase necessary vtw group void were prohibited by law ct and c's 21 plus sponsored by chamba casino this coffee shop running smooth thanks to genius from global payments instant transactions effortless inventory and synchronized operations big league reliability for any business that's genius

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28:22and that's just a gut feeling i have nothing set in stone or i didn't have a little bird fly over here and tell me that it's just my gut feeling and when you look at the way Maxwell's team has conducted themselves throughout this whole thing there was no chance that they weren't going to latch on to this and you got the juror out here given a bunch of interviews and this is the result this is what Maxwell's team is going to do is what they're paid to do so really as lame as the media are for being the culture of cultures that they are basically begging these jurors for interviews it really comes down to the juror himself and the question that we put that that we asked at the very beginning did he lie or didn't he lie on that questionnaire once that is answered we will know much much more until then though we'll be here trying to put the context together put a little more in meat on that bone and try and get to the clarity right as we all swim through this murk and muck together the idea is to get to the clear water all right folks that's going to do it for tonight

29:28i will be back tomorrow morning as usual um couple of context episodes coming your way another that's wild episode coming your way and we'll keep it rolling and we'll keep our eye on what's going on here especially if you'd like to contact me you can do that at bobby kapuchi at proton male dot com that's b-o b-b-y c-a-p-u-c-c-i at proton male dot com you can also find me on twitter at b-o b-b-y underscore c-a-p-u-c-c-i the link that we discussed plus the letter sent by the prosecutors to the judge can be found in the description box what's up everyone and welcome back to the epstein chronicles today we're going to continue talking about juror number 50 scottie david and the revelations that came during his interview with the media now when we were talking last night we were discussing the filing made by the prosecutors about an

30:35inquiry into what went on here if scottie david lied if he didn't answer truthfully during the uh the question and answer session or on the questionnaire and while that is a bit concerning in itself them uh asking or basically suggesting that he gets legal counsel is very troubling and now we're finding out that he has retained his own legal counsel and the person that he has retained was the same lawyer who was Anna Sorokin's lawyer now Anna Sorokin was the uh the the lady who was um uh committing fraud on people in larceny and you know she was like a fake air is saying that she was from you know a foreign country blah blah blah anyway the lawyer Todd Spodeck who uh represented her is now also representing juror number 50 scottie david

31:39now um uh Todd Spodeck filed notice in the in Maxwell's Manhattan federal case late Wednesday confirming that he would now appear in this case as counsel for juror number for juror number 50 uh that scottie david and uh he gave the interviews and he admitted saying that he swayed the deliberations by recounting his own trauma from childhood sexual abuse now i'm sure that there's going to be a a real look at what went on here the other jurors i'm guessing are going to have to be uh talk to were they swayed by this and basically folks what we have here now is a gigantic shit sandwich that's even bigger than before and stankier than before and everybody's forced to take a bite this guy scottie david has really thrown a wrench into the situation here and frankly if this dude lied during the question and answer process and all the other stuff then Maxwell's team is

32:45well within their rights to not only ask for a mistrial but to demand one and that pains me to even say but at the end of the day you can't have jurors lying and bullshitting and acting the fool we already have a hardly any faith in how the process works or how the system works we can't be worried about this kind of nonsense as well so the silver lining for me is say this does become a mistrial does that give the federal government more time to maybe add some superseded charges maybe hit her with a rico charge on top of it i mean we all know that should have been done from jump street and it hasn't been so again i'm just spitballing i don't really know the process once something like this occurs uh if it is declared a mistrial we'll have to go from there again i'm not a legal expert but i would think that if you're the government you'd want to come back

33:47even harder the next time so i'm very interested to see what occurs if in fact that is the case but it certainly seems to be the way we're trending folks this is all bad you know usually with an inquiry and you know a juror uh dereliction of duty or saying something out of line they don't need to retain legal counsel but it looks like this dude is in jeopardy of perjury charges something like that so he's retained outside counsel not using the counsel that was going to be provided to him by the court and uh a way we go as they say so Maxwell's team has obviously applied for uh the appeal and they're definitely gonna look for the mistrial here as well and to be honest with you they finally have something to sink their teeth in they've been waiting for a technicality they've been waiting

34:47for a loophole because we all know the evidence is not something that they're interested in diving into but you provide them with a loophole or a technicality and they're going to dive through that that son of a gun and there's no doubt about it and that's what we're seeing uh play out right here before our eyes now all because this scottie david character it looks like anyway was bs and around the more i dove into this last night after we uh had our chat here the the more it looks to me like this guy's playing games like this guy was bs and or was looking for some spotlight or something this is not the correct way to conduct yourself now look at all the repercussions say that that'll come in the wake of this say it does go to a mistrial all of these survivors have to relive this again all of the money that has to be spent to re-prosecute it it's just a gigantic gigantic issue and after all of these years of justice uh being a denied to the survivors

35:55and then for them to finally have a little taste of at least a little justice and for this to occur i mean really the evidence wasn't strong enough to convict her you know this guy had to get up there and and do his whole entire song and dance so it's gonna be dicey moving forward here and again i'm not some sort of uh legal legal or somebody that follows these kinds of cases very closely but you would have to think with this coming to light and with how the spotlight in general has been shined down upon this case that there's going to be some movement here and it's even more damning if you will when the uh the inquiry is suggesting that you get legal counsel that says to me that they know something that we don't and the question is what do they know was this scottie

36:57david character dishonest during the questionnaire session and if he was and he said that he was not sexually assaulted when he really was and then went into that jurors room and got on his soap box it's gonna be a gigantic issue and almost for sure a mistrial so with that said we have an article this morning from the insider and the author of this article is kelsi flammus headline glade Maxwell's guilty verdict will very likely get tossed and our case retired after juror comments on sexual abuse experts say so that's pretty daunting right off the bat huh not the not the greatest news to start your morning with uh the kind of news that makes your coffee taste a little crappier makes your eggs go cold a bit quicker and just generally makes you feel like crap that's the kind of news that is because how used to it are we these people getting off even if they get convicted

38:00even when they get busted somehow they find a way to wiggle themselves off the hook i dare you to try that go ahead and get in trouble and then try and wiggle yourself off the hook on a technicality or a loophole see how far that gets you but when it comes to Maxwell and her friends somehow some way they always find a way to wiggle off the hook don't they a week after glade Maxwell was found guilty of sex trafficking two jurors in the case told media outlets that they may have swayed the jury by sharing their own experiences of sexual abuse during deliberations revelations that could jeopardize the entire trial you know everybody has to have uh you know the center stage right everybody has to tell their story tell you what i'm ever a juror in a trial like this the last thing i'm gonna do is speak with the media a they're not your friend and b they're not your friend they have no interest in you know what you're well-being or do you think they care the people that

39:03this scottie david dude gave the interviews to you think they care that now we have to retain legal counsel are they showing up uh hat-and-hand with a couple of bucks for the legal fund hell no they're not go ahead and sink pal you're on your own thanks for the interview we got our clicks tolerate a cure from twenty three eleven racing the rush of racing nothing beats it but chumpa casino comes close chumpa's got fast spins fun games daily bonuses and all the action you can handle now that's all right ready to hit the throttle get in the driver's seat and head to chumpa casino dot com let's chumpa sponsored by chumpa casino no purchase necessary vgw group void where prohibited by law twenty one plus terms and conditions apply president Barack Obama Virginia we are counting on you republicans want to steal enough seats in congress to raid the next election and wield unchecked power for two more years but you can stop them by voting yes by april 21st

40:05help put our elections back on a level playing field and let voters decide not politicians vote yes by april 21st paid for by virginians for fair elections coffee genius here most people see a busy cafe but i see precision at every step thanks to genius from global payments transactions instant inventory precise operations in sync absolutely genius from sold out crowds worldwide to managing the morning rush genius keeps operations running smoothly one portato flawless poor perfectly timed just beautiful big league reliability for any business that's genius that's what it's all about for the legacy media get them clicks get them clicks what drives the news what makes people mad at each other how can we use this as a wedge issue and the band played on didn't it max well a british socialite a british socialite now a

41:10convicted sex offender author of this article and long time associate of the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was convicted on five of the six counts against her on December 29th after five days of deliberation so again still calling her a socialite it's absurd to me it's like calling uh you know john Wayne gacy the once clown the retired clown i mean really not the child killer the child molester uh serial killer whatever else you want to call him he's all of it so let's call him all of it a juror scottie david identified only by his first and middle names told the independent and Reuters that he used his personal experience of abuse to a suge doubts other jurors had about some of the accusers testimonies a second juror told the new york times they also shared a personal experience of sexual abuse that appeared to help shape the jerry's discussions so you mean to tell me that you had two jurors who lied if that's the case this has been bungled from the beginning

42:12or did the defense not even bother to ask these questions and follow up that's the flip side of this right and if that's the case and the juror didn't lie on the questionnaire then this falls directly in the lap of the defense and it's on them and there there won't be any grounds for a mistrial as far as i understand it if that's the case it all hinges on what this dude said on the questionnaire and for me with the federal government advising that old boy gets himself some counsel they probably know some stuff that we don't and they're probably going to charge him with something again that's just my guess i don't you know have access to the court records or you know in the mind of what the prosecutors are thinking but that would seem to be the path that we're on prosecutors filed a letter Wednesday requesting an inquiry into the remarks insiders michelle mark reported shortly after Maxwell's attorneys filed two letters requesting a new trial and again

43:16that had to be expected you know that glaine Maxwell who's fighting for her life who's paying all this money for these lawyers is going to exhaust every single avenue especially a big fat juicy one such as this this is a gift this is like losing your wallet having ten bucks left walking into the casino and hitting a jackpot that's what this is like for Maxwell and while i don't think a second trial is going to do or any better it just draws out the process i mean the survivors really need to go through this again it's going to be the same outcome she's going to get convicted but it's just another situation in this long sorted tale that makes you want to bang your head off of the wall it has been the most frustrating thing i have ever done covering this case for the past

44:18three years every single time we get to a point where we think we're getting some answers only more questions arise and it happens over and over and over again i've never seen anything like it honestly attorneys told insider that the jurors remarks to the media were devastating for the prosecution and could likely mean the case would need to be retried and it certainly looks like that right it doesn't look good i'm not going to sit here and you know give you a raw raw speech that this looks good and everything's fine here we're all fine here because i don't think that's the case and the more that comes out on this and the more experts we hear from the more i feel like this whole entire proceedings in jeopardy now and it makes me mad as hell this is the absolute last thing that you want to get that you want when you get a guilty verdict Nima Ramani the president of west coast trial lawyers and a former federal prosecutor told insider

45:21you don't want the jurors talking to the media you don't want them saying something that will result in a mistrial it's an absolute disaster he said this entire conviction may get tossed and we may have to retry the case i mean come on really talk about a long long road that i have no desire to travel upon and if you think we have no desire to travel upon it how do you think the survivors feel being forced to relive this over and over and over again when all they want to do is put a stamp on it and move on it's just crazy to me again i've never seen anything like it and the way it just consistently is dragging out and unfurling like this huge dragon it's just insane Ramani explain that the jurors comments pose two potential issues perjury or lying under oath and prejudice or a preconceived opinion that may have improperly swayed the jury now that's one

46:27I don't it's kind of a stretch for me that's saying that the jury the rest of the jurors are a bunch of knuckleheads and they're easily swayed now we don't know what went on in that jurors room and i'd like to hear from some of these other jurors i don't know if we will but i'm guessing that the prosecution during this inquiry is going to question the other people that were in that room as to what was said if they were swayed and all of that other stuff so it's going to be a meticulous uh uh look at what went on here if the defense knew about it they would have dismissed him well that's what you would think right but they're human maybe they made a mistake maybe they missed it now i'm not saying they did i don't know but it's possible court documents show jurors were asked during selection process if they or anyone in their families were victims of sexual abuse David told Reuters he flew through the questionnaire and did not remember if he was asked about personal experiences excuse me

47:27personal experiences of sexual abuse but said he would have answered honestly um what do you mean you don't remember and you flew through it i know we talked about this a little bit last night but come on you don't fly through something like this you take your time you meticulously go through it and if you have questions you get some answers you don't fly through something like this you're talking about a serious matter somebody's life's on the line as far as uh going to trial for heinous crimes and then you have the survivors who are looking for justice and you're out here playing flying through the questionnaire like you got someplace to be if he had answered affirmatively however it's doubtful the defense would have permitted him as a juror if the defense knew about it they would have dismissed him Matthew Barhoma a criminal appeals lawyer and Los Angeles told insider he agreed it appeared very likely the case would be retried so all i could say is buckle up folks and get ready all right more than likely this is

48:30gonna have to be retried we're gonna have a case of deja vu do it all over again and it's going to be the same kind of strategy from Maxwell's team but in all likelihood if the juror was lying which it kind of seems like he was if i'm being honest with you then this is going to be a mistrial and they're going to have to retry this whole entire thing now the question becomes with judge Nathan looking at that appointment to the appeals bench i wonder as far as judges who will get this case instead or how that will even work during jury selection attorneys go to great lengths to avoid selecting someone who will be biased especially in cases as notorious as Maxwell's barhoma said he did not want to accuse the juror of lying but said there are two reasons a person may lie during jury selection look i don't want to call the due to liar either right i wasn't in the room i don't know what was said i don't know what happened but it doesn't look good for him

49:31when you have the inquiry started that's one thing but when they're saying that you better call saw you're you're in some jeopardy folks juries jurors will lie to get on a jury for two reasons if the case is notorious and if they have been victims of the same allegations and they want to convict he said and that's certainly what her are her lawyers can argue right look this guy is a victim of sexual assault he has an extra grind and he used his personal experiences and the pain he suffered to put Maxwell behind bars as a proxy for his own abuse that's going to be the kind of argument that they're going to use you and i both know what's bullshit but that's what they're going to say and as far as the legal ease of it they have every right to do that unfortunately ramani also said it also appeared to him that david may have lied during jury selection citing the fact that the defense attorneys wouldn't have approved approved of him as well as how

50:32the prosecutors reacted to his comments to the media again i feel like that's the biggest red flag the biggest issue here is how the prosecutors have reacted and how forcefully they have reacted it signals to me that there was misconduct by this jur again i don't have any evidence of that just my guess prosecutors requested an inquiry because they have an ethical duty to flag to the court concerns of possible prejudice ramani said however they also took the unusual step of requesting david be appointed an attorney jurors say and do all sorts of things that are inappropriate or improper but they don't get appointed an attorney he said and for me that's the biggest stick in the old wheel here the fact that he was appointed an attorney or told to get outside counsel really signals to me that there's some jeopardy here and old boys going to find himself in a pickle

51:33the fact that prosecutors think david needs an attorney suggests they believe he may have acted criminally by committing perjury and again that's exactly what it looks like to me as well the jurors said their experiences persuaded others to convict another critical factor that could help maxwell is that both jurors said they believe their comments helped convince the jury to deliver a guilty verdict if he lied and if what he told the media was accurate that he used his own experience to convict a convict convinced the jury to convict you have perjury and prejudice Ramani said again why would you run to the media who are not your friends and run your big fat trap here's an idea go home enjoy the new year and be happy that maxwell is convicted but that's not what he did right he had to go get his his time in the sun had to go and get into give an interview and talk about what went on and talk about how he was the hero in his own story because he helped convince the rest of the jury David told Reuters and the independent

52:40that several several jurors had doubts about some of maxwell's accuser stories he said he discussed his own experiences to show that memories of sexual abuse can be clear in some aspects and hazy in others now if he had been honest about his own sexual abuse and then he told his story to the jurors no big deal they rely on their own personal experiences for convictions all the time but you have to be honest during the jury selection process for that to be valid I know what happened when I was sexually abused I remember the color of the carpet the walls some of it can be replayed like a video David told the independent but I can't remember all the details there are some things that run together after sharing that he added some jurors were able to come around on the memory aspect of the sexual abuse I don't I mean is this dude telling the truth is he the one who swayed these jurors behind the scenes I don't know we'll have to see what they have to say as far as if we hear from the other jurors or what this inquiry finds but it seems like this guy is really trying

53:47to elevate himself to the uttered stark of the story here folks jurors often draw on their personal experiences during deliberations according to Ramani and are free to discuss their past when doing so it would only be an issue if David failed to disclose the sexual abuse on the selection questionnaire and again that is the issue right all of this other talk this is just adding some context a little more meat to the bone to try and help us understand what the hell is going on here but the real question and the only question that matters at this point in my opinion is did he lie on that questionnaire if the answer is yes buckle up for a mistrial if the answer is no the defense well it's on them for being dumbasses so it's one or the other and to be honest I'm kind of leaning towards the fact that oh boy was not honest if it wasn't disclosed as Ramani believes is likely the case and David did sway the other jurors to convict that would mean his comments caused

54:50actual harm to Maxwell which is needed to prove prejudice and it's usually hard as hell to prove that but in an instance like this when you know it's such a high profile situation and you have this juror coming out pumping his gums the court's going to have to look at it and they're going to have to look at it very very very stringently tolerate a cure from 2311 racing another checkered flag for the books time to celebrate with chamba jump in at chamba casino dot com let's chamba no purchase necessary btw group boy we're prohibited by law ctnc 21 plus sponsored by chamba casino president Barack Obama Virginia we are counting on you Republicans want to steal enough seats in Congress to raid the next election and wield unchecked power for two more years but you can stop them by voting yes by april 21st help put our elections back on a level playing field and let voters decide not politicians vote yes by april 21st paid for by virginians for fair elections

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56:59evidence that was presented by the survivors that swayed me that's what i'd be saying as another juror if i was the defense team i would be taking these quotes right out of Reuters he said it's saved by the media from acts well he added had he not went off blabbing his mouth to reporters we may have never uncovered it and it's really the truth right now i can't really blame the legacy media for trying to get the interview that's what they do it's their job but at the end of the day is this dude for real like bro you're gonna get up there and pump all kinds of nonsense and talk about this that the other thing elevate yourself to the superman of the story if it wasn't for you the jurors would have never convicted blah blah blah blah really and now look what the end result is look at the fallout it's glowing it's like it's like we just

57:59walked into the reactor at Chernobyl at this point so we're gonna see folks right there's uh an inquiry scheduled we got some uh time to see what's gonna go on here but you know Maxwell's team is gonna be on the PR push big time get ready for it it's gonna happen but the good news is your boil be here every single day every single night to punch holes in their nonsense and to make sure that their bullshit narrative continues to be challenged if you'd like to contact me you can do that at bobby kapuchi at proton mail dot com that's be oh bby cap you cci at proton mail dot com you can also find me on twitter at be oh bby underscore cap you cci the link that we discussed can be found in the description box all right folks so what's up foos man of it j a us all here from the wwe when it's just me between matches is day one itch that means it's chumba time with hundreds

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