Kawhi Leonard Vs. Nikola Jokic LEGACY CHECK

0:00This is the Lockdown Podcast Network celebrating 10 years of your team every day. Thank you for making Lockdown your first listen every day. For your second listen, find the Lockdown NBA Podcast where there's no offseason. West Matt and Hayes keep you up to date on contract negotiations, rumors and everything you need to be the most informed NBA fan. Find Lockdown NBA on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. The Clippers got the hammer dropped on them. Kauai Leonard skates free, I guess not free, skates $700,000 on back to Toronto. So I want to talk to Swipe and I want to know the answer to this question. How much greater is Nikoli Yokech's legacy than Kauai Leonard's? It's coming up on Lockdown Nuggets!

1:07You are Lockdown Nuggets, your daily Denver Nuggets podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. Welcome Lockdown Nuggets on Matt Moore. Join by Swipe, you're shaking your head at me. Confused? No, I was shaking my head to leave tension. Oh, I see. Okay, I was like, I was like, I don't think that's a weird question. On today's show, we're going to talk a little bit about moments look forward to this season. I'll kind of be like our nice wrap up, so we'll see if we get to that one. We're going to talk about, would you rather have Steve Balmer? Suspended for a year, currently. Or would you rather have Cronkie Sports and Entertainment currently on the team? And have one title and have one civil title. I can't wait for it to watch this episode and hear you ask that question. Yeah, be great. It's going to be great. I'm going to love the text messages that I get from that one. I will like to text messages. So, but we'll start today with this question, which is Kauai Leonard. The results of the investigation came out yesterday from the aspiration stuff.

2:08If you haven't heard about it, I am surprised that you, the first time you're hearing about it, is on Lockdown Nuggets, but I applaud you. If you're just like, I don't listen to anything else, I only listen to you guys. If you don't listen to anything else, Clippers lost five first round picks. They've lost 10 total for acquiring Kauai Leonard between what they traded for Paul George to get Kauai. And then the five picks that were taken away from them yesterday. Kauai Leonard finds $700,000. The Clippers were fined. Was it three or 30 million? Thirty. Thirty million dollars. Which I am told that Steve Balmer paid by scraping the change off of his dresser. Is what he did is just like scrape that off there and paid that 30 million dollar fine. Balmer suspended for a year. Lawrence Frank suspended for six months. I don't know, but like I will say this poor woman, but. I don't know if she's like a nefarious mastermind according to the report. But the one. The woman that was worth that was involved Zucker was she was suspended. I think six months as well.

3:09Well, you know, you're okay. Yeah, yeah, which by the way, I'm just like man, she just did what her boss is wanted to do. I'm not gonna come on now. All these type of things. And so the Clippers basically got the death penalty. And they're pretty well screwed. They do have some options that will get some picks back when they come when they consummate the Kauai Leonard trade to Toronto. They will. There's like one pick that they have left. And yeah, but they're mostly mostly the death penalty for the Clippers. So, head said that this is what the number one thing you want to talk about today. So, where are your kind of thoughts from this from? I know it's perspective. Just overall league perspective of your thoughts, man. Yeah, I think that this is important for the league into a totality because. Matt is somebody who, I mean, obviously, you know, the people say that you carry water for the owners, which, you know, Matt, we need to talk about awful on sometimes. You are very loud about. League rules.

4:09And then the nefariousness of billionaires. And I am also very loud about this. And I think the entire system of a salary cap, one of the sham. And I've said this for quite some time because it's really to put a. There's a ceiling on how much players can earn in a market because owners don't want to have to pay outside their body for some of these talents. Yo, Kitch is worth in Denver. $200 million here. Probably somewhere around that number. Shea worth $200 million. Wimby might be worth $400 million. There's so many levels to this where players, if there is a true free market, the market determines the value of these players. So, Jersey sales, all the sold out arenas, everything that has to do with basketball and merchandising. They bring so much revenue. You know, Matt, you're a LeBron fan. You remember when LeBron went back to Cleveland and he brought back essentially half a billion dollars in revenue to Cleveland the first year that he was there.

5:11And this is just local revenue that he was bringing to the city. Some of this is when Steve Balmer and other owners put the CBA in place. They put the luxury tax in place, the first and second apron in place as penalties that are basically essentially trying to discourage owners from paying an exorbitant amount of money for the best rosters in the NBA to quote unquote spread the wealth around ultimately because they did not want to have to pay a certain amount of money. So, I just put a cap on it and let's play penalties if we do decide to do this, which nobody's doing except for Denver right now. The wolves are there for a little bit the next some other teams. But the reason why this is so big to me, Matt, Steve Balmer's the richest owner in the NBA by a lot. He is Uber wealthy. He is several generations from now, my child, child, child will have a billion dollars in the bank wealthy. Steve Balmer, it's a part of the group of owners that agreed upon these rules when it came to the CBA in the luxury tax and the aprons.

6:18So for Balmer to, the salaricap and per the instructions, just for people that don't know the NBA communications, they put together a basically defined in a very concise documentation that you can find on PR dot NBA dot com slash NBA dash investigation dash clipper dash. Why dash littered and if you want to read it, it's great. One of the things they said, Matt. That the clippers with Steve Balmer, the owner. Basketball president of operations Tucker Zucker, Julian does Zucker and then a basketball president of operations, Lawrence Frank. So you have the clippers president of business operations in Zucker basketball president operations, Lawrence Frank. Y'all, they were reported to have induced four separate companies to play dirty ball with the co-wide littered under the table with the promise that if you did indeed had this deal off the books with co-wide littered that we will then service more business your way with the clippers and totality.

7:26So it's essentially an offering for Uncle Dennis and co-wide to give them an opportunity to make more money under the table that's off the books. We will consequently make sure that you're better situated with where we are today right now with the organization. That tronics is currently under investigation from the SEC. The SEC is currently investigating them because that tronics appears to have made a deal off the books with co-wide littered which as you know, if you want a business and you make a deal with anyone. You have to put it on the books because you have to pay taxes all these other things. So this is a multi-layered deal and there are several levels to this for this kind of invasive practice is detrimental to the entire product of the league, the integrity of the league, and also the play fair rules that the CBA is supposed to create. It is supposed to make for opportunities like this to be as a legalist they are which is why the penalties are the harshest that we've ever seen in the history of the NBA five first round picks 30 million dollars but on top of that one of the biggest things that really has gotten my blood turning.

8:39The Clippers organization in personnel are subject to a compliance and monitoring program overseen by the league office for a period of five years. Matt, I was at Baylor in 2014 working in Baylor athletics when we went through everything we were going through. It's your fault. Right there I can tell you without a shadow of doubt the people that worked in the facility that had nothing to do with all the chaos between the head coach and all this stuff. Everybody suffered. Everyone suffered jobs were lost jobs run online people lost part of their livelihood the stress levels at work were insane it just it makes it that much more difficult for the common everyday person that just are there to do these jobs so there's a fallout here and right now. I think the only person that's getting as of now but this was a very very big deal for the NBA and I think the NBA had to come down with a hammer and response to this. So a couple of things I am one thing that drives me nuts is that the NBA does not publish the results of league votes they don't publish the results of competition committee changes rule changes they don't change any they said we have no idea who voted for what the CBA I will tell you based on the conversations I have I feel very calm.

9:52Steve ball did not vote. The CBA was basically built against the ball. I've talked a lot about this. I will try and like be brief here. They did it and it was very clear from the first public or a report that they did it there was no question. Puppet was reporting what a Pulitzer for a reason if you go back and you look at it from a if you analyze it from a reporting to the six that background there was no question. This is going to be pretty obvious. They broke the rules so the punishment was fitting. Major deal to break the CBA in theory. I don't care. I'll just be really honest with you. I watched this league. Cook its books in 2013 to show that they were losing money.

10:56They were in the reds of players had to get back more money in that negotiation. I have watched this league and the owners have their evaluations go up by billions not hundreds of millions not 5x 170 x. And then tell me that they have to not that they have to cut salary to be financially responsible. I don't have a lot of empathy for the harm caused by these crimes. They were crimes. They were rule violations and as a result they have to be punished. But here is who the ultimate I've asked this question repeatedly about who was harmed by these actions. And the only answer you will reach which is the only reason that this was a thing for the league is the other owners who ducked the luxury tax and got revenue sharing payments because if Kali had been taxed on those payments they would have made more money.

12:07If you look at it if you go back and you actually look through I went I went back and look through this. Did this allow them to sign more players? No, it didn't change their aprons as whatsoever. They were still in the exact same position they would have if they given quite more money on the one deal he took less than it didn't change anything fundamentally. And they wound up paying him more than they would have even with that and they wound up paying more than they would have even with the tax. So like they wound up just like paying more than they could have. All this was was an owner in this day and age saying my superstar is worth more to me and I am willing to pay more to keep him happy. That is what I am willing to do. That's the harm here again. I'm going to hear but they broke the rule. Yep, they broke the rules. You have to punish them. Cool. Take the five picks. I don't care. That's I don't care about the severity. I'm not going to sit here and cry. Poor clippers because they made bad decisions. The real bad decision was getting in bed with Kauai Leonard and Dennis Robertson.

13:07That was the real problem. All of the sloppiness, all of the ways that they got caught here, which is what everybody's really mad about is how they got caught is because they got in bed with Dennis Robertson and Kauai Leonard. Choose your superstars better. Which is what I want to talk about next because the nuggets at least have that going for them. We'll talk about that coming up unlocked on nuggets. College football Saturdays are already packed with more reasons to get excited in this season. Fandals giving fans even more ways to get in on every match up. Back your favorite team, build the same game, Parley, Bet team props, or make your picks on the biggest games of the weekend. And throughout the season, keep an eye on the Fandal app for even more ways to get rewarded with a full slate of college football every Saturday. There are plenty of opportunities to follow the games and find new ways to get involved. Bet in that first college football Saturday is amazing. It's really is just absolutely sensational. There's so many games. You're all excited. It's the first Saturday.

14:08It's still warm. You got all the scenes of the pad entry and everything else. And then you're only getting on it. Colorado, six and a half point dog to Georgia Tech coming up. We'll see whether they are able to pull that off my Missouri Tigers right 25th in the country are 55 and a half point favorites versus Arkansas Pine Bluff. By the way, I've been to Pine Bluff. Not bad there. It does smell pretty weird though. You can find out what you want to get on and watch all the fun stuff on. Fandal go to fandal.com to get started. We'll be right back on lock down nuggets. What does start there? I don't know. I want to ask you this question. And that seems like a dumb one today. Would you rather see Balmer or Stan Kronke? Well,

15:08because KSE because we don't have to worry about them doing something. Maybe that's right now. This bad phone headed. This kind of bad decision making that's going to lead to long term. I guess damaging effects for the entire organization as a whole. So it's KSE. Yeah, I think that's like kind of a question here is like at least there's no evidence that they violated this. Now I will just say like as a general rule. If you ask me because this has been like an interesting thing. I've asked like a lot of people about this about like well, do you think that this is an exceptional situation? And like a lot of people are like yes, this. I am that this is a general reaction, the general reactions. I shocked to find cap circumvention in this establishment, which I just think is like have. So like we just live in a fantasy world then. Because I think it takes about 30 seconds for you hanging around an NBA arena in the tunnels on the court before the game in any sort of area of any arena.

16:08In the league to be like. There's a lot of deal making going like there's just like a lot like there's just a lot of money that floats around. If you start asking questions like who's that guy talking to. And they go oh that's so and so they work at this thing. Yeah, they're a big big big private equity firm. They're into this huge fan. Or who's that? Oh that's someone so agent. Yeah, he's talking to someone so who does work with this thing. He works for this company. Just like all over the time like all the time. Nothing evidence of anything, but it just definitely feels weird to me. I do think like yeah look at like look, crocky sports entertainment. They're going to lead on their record and I think that's pretty fair to be like. Well, we want to tie with the Rams and we want to tie with the avalanche and we want to tie with the nuggets and we haven't had five picks taken away for doing anything the wrong way. So how are you possibly going to say this is an argument pretty tough.

17:08I do want to be in like I do like the boomers a bit willing to spend whatever it takes, including more than he should. I like that part. Don't like getting caught. Don't do deals with don't do deals with companies that commit fraud is another big one. Don't do business with co-ilandered and don't do business with companies that get caught for fraud. I think of the big lessons here's why. Yeah, I mean you you kind of have a different perspective on all this than I do. I just have for the idea of people being able to bend rules at will. So you know, I tend to have a issue with authority as whole. Yeah, so like I hear you my problem is if they've been authority to do something that we both agree is. You would agree that players getting what they were what they deserve or closer to what they deserve is is an ethical good right. No, no. No, there's a salary cap. There's a rule in place for a reason to know. Yeah, I don't operate on that side. If there is something that we've agreed to, including the. Yeah, we get right.

18:09Right, but my question here is let's take it outside of that concept. Well, there wasn't a salary cap and baller said I'm going to pay this much to this. Of course, right. Okay, so then and we both agree that the CBA isn't inherently an ethical too because. I've said because of restricted free agency. I think more importantly. I mean, well, I guess there like ethics is a word. I don't know how we'd use in the context of the entire CBA. We have financial structures in every form of business. Every one of them because it's right. So it's like. So if I'm saying ethical ethical is like we're going all the way to like living wage ethical. Like that's so like there needs to be a board. But when you're getting to this level where it's like what is what is right. It's like what's fair is it fair that in every other industry entertainment entertainment industry. There is no such thing right as a cap for artists except in sports. In particular in very particular sports that include a very particular kind of athlete.

19:12So I think some of this is when you have basketball and football. It's very clear these players could be going way further and some of their like Tiger. There's no there's no cap for golf. Now you have a purse for how much you're winning Serena Williams. And he purse you'd win straight up in a matchup. But like these were hunt messy Ronaldo like these players are worth a billion dollars because that's just what they're worth. And so I think some of this is like is it fair that in a free market capitalist society. That there's a cap well no it's not fair ethical is a whole different discussion. Nothing for me. Yeah I would agree. I would agree with what the clippers did is not fair. Yeah. I just don't find it necessarily it that because of the way that because of what it was done. What was done. I have a really hard time getting mad about it the way everybody else is because most people have taken kind of your approach, which is what publicory himself was taking, which is like. This is a billionaire thinking that he's above the rules and I'm like yeah, but he thought he was above the rules to do something that I.

20:13But I think sometimes we get so lost on the main story and that could the doctor on the things a big deal because if that chronic for instance has employees that do all the subwork for all of the you know, jump a trance all the maintenance. That's honest is potentially now in facing a situation where the NBA says you're done. No business at all in the league as a whole. What happens is that all of those thousands of people that make up that workforce. There's they're losing a major income source potentially because that's just the way it works with if you might not get in agreement with the NBA long. It may just depends on your art of business on your organization. And I guess what I'm saying to with the clippers is like it's bigger than and I think that's that's what it really is for me. There's three people here that are making big decisions for the clippers and then there's Dennis and quiet. There's like five people involved with this at the highest level. But those five people are having like a downturn effect on everybody else is like a round them. Interesting. And I think that's just a part of the business. Good. I view it more as the other 29 owners that don't want to pay more for their superstars have created a system that now is going to generate these types of effects.

21:21Well, I think that's true. Yeah, absolutely right that it's like the clippers look the clippers made decisions and now they have to live the consequences of those decisions to completely agree. And those decisions are going to impact other people and that's not fair. You want to know when we also like I was trying to think I because I've been very big on this what was the harm like I've been asking a question what was the harm and you could say like the spirit of competition and the problem is that I'm just too jaded because you say that and I start to throw up in my mouth a little bit because of what I've seen. But if you I did find it this morning, which is one of the real harm was clippers fans. That's it. Clippers fans. That's who got hurt here is that the clippers should have done the right thing because in not doing so and getting caught their fans have to suffer for this for their dumb decisions. That's that's pretty awful. So, why goes to Toronto and gets the skate and we'll probably I think they're going to be awesome like I think they can win the Atlantic division. I think they can win the division with the nicks and the sixers.

22:23I think the Raptors are going to be that good next year. Kauai was sensational last year on the court like he was so good. First you want to be a do you. When we try and measure Kauai has two titles. Yoke has one. Yoke has three MVP's. Kauai has zero. Kauai has small defense stuff. Kauai has the mist games time do the injuries, etc. etc. There's no question that we ask. Kauai or Nikola. Everyone was saying Nikola. How much greater. I think that's actually a pretty fun question is what's what's the one point X or greater. Is is Yoke is two times as great as Kauai. There's no way to like quantify this, but I think that question is kind of interesting of how much greater is Nikola's legacy than Kauai Leonard's given that that Kauai has literally destroyed two franchises in his time. You're talking about just general impact as a whole, including that.

23:25Yeah. That's such a funny one question. Who's caused the most chaotic goodness damage in their career. Well, Kauai just led the largest has Yoke ever led the largest anything in the history of his career. Like Kauai just did that the largest amount of penalties that the team was ever faced is because of Kauai. And then you had the whole saga with the spurs were Tony Parker and Manu were getting in his ear saying he wasn't trying hard enough. Yeah. And he's like my bone, my, my, my, my, my muscle about to fall off my bone. Then he goes to Toronto, plays 60 games that year brings an entire country title. Yoke has just never done that. Leaves tells Jeanie bus, the owner of the, the raptors and the bomber. If you want me to pay the place or I want an NIL before this NIL. Doesn't get that didn't get it with the clippers.

24:27That year, if you remember, Yoke had a chance to beat them in the regular season. He made a baseline crazy faith. They got walked early that year before the bubble happened. Bubble happens. Kauai and PG fall apart down the structure of that series. And then that's really the end of the Kauai saga. Because then remember next year Kauai wasn't there with the Utah series. And then 2022 didn't happen. 2023 he was balling versus the suns got hurt again, gaming happened to the year. And then the clipper series. 24. So I mean, I guess you could say like who has caused the most chaos is probably Kauai. But Yoke is. Yoke is the probably has a greater legacy in total just because he's just like. He's him. I would say he's, he's got the greater legacy for sure. I think it's an interesting question of how important it. Kauai turns out was very important to this era. He was very important in his time in the league. Both good and bad. I think that that's like a really fascinating kind of thing.

25:29The thing I would say is like. How can I put this. I don't I don't think most most superstars are very far apart in their motivations as far as money goes. And I was thinking about making this episode and was like, do I want to jinx it? Like is there a possibility there winds up being a scandal with Yoke? It's actually greater than Kauai. And then I'm going to have to look back on this and be like, oh no. But I will just say like if you're going to have somebody at the head of your organization. That's going to be that you're going to hand the keys to. You want to hand them to Yoke. Of course. Don't hand them to Kauai. And to me this, I will say man, like a little bit of this is about character. I think that there are a lot of superstars that carry themselves with a great amount of character in this league. And I think Kauai learned is a guy that gets paid to play basketball. Yeah, it's a job. He loves his job. I think it's a job, but Joker at least takes the responsibility of it, I think, seriously.

26:30Yeah, but I think we're we're we just different on Joker in some way. I just thought I think Joker is just like a one of the preeminent like. Franchise carriers that I've ever seen. He just he's just it's different. He doesn't yeah, you know, he just doesn't have like a personal even. I mean, even away patent talked about him in the video that we I broke down on the show a couple days ago. Like even Porter and him said like he just he makes it so. The expectation is you show up and you work and it's like it brings down the the energy in the good way. I think where everybody's like, even if you feel like it's your turn and like you need to get this and that. I think you're walking in your living in an example every single day. I think that matters for the or now. I think he does that to a detriment to himself when it comes to some of the stuff with the crocs. Maybe where it's like Calvin booth and decision making and all this in fighting and it's like. Yo, it's just, you know, he's gonna let me do my job. So maybe it has an inverse effect, but I think Yoke is has been yeah, he's a terrific person to hand your franchise to.

27:33Yeah, that's right. Thanks. I'm not talking with the buffs at all. What are you not a college football guy? I think I'm just as much as I used to be man. There's a. I think that I like this. This the new iteration of college football definitely like. Change some of my. But also I'm just I can only do so much like I'm going to be all football basketball. I can't be like in see the play. So I run this problem actually a lot in the summer because my you know my wife loves going to games game time. Game time.co use the game time. I have used code locked on NBA.

28:33She's going to concerts and games in the summer, especially like she loves go she loves going to baseball game. And she's not like a psycho super fan. My wife like sitting in front of a grass field in the sun with a beer. That's what she likes like that's what she enjoys. But the problem is just like. She'll be like, oh, do you want to go to this with me or in the season should be like, you know, I'm kind of going to an abs game. Do you want to go and I have to kind of be like. I'm sorry, but the last thing I want to do on a night off is go to a sporting event. That's not what I wanted. I do not want to go to a sporting event in a stadium with a crowd. That's not no. Even chief games. Do what you feel like even chief games. You feel like that? No, that's different for me. That's different for me for sure. I don't go to the chiefs games at. Empower and power. Empower. I was going to say a best go. I don't know if I've got to choose games that empower for a number of reasons. But. Well, in part, I think it's.

29:33So I think it sucks when like Lakers fans show up at nuggets games. I think that sucks. Why? I understand that they want to see them. I just feel bad for the fans where I'm just like the team deserves to have the home crowd. Like they deserve to. You're one person in 90,000 people. I know. I know. And then also there's also just the matter of I do not want to deal with walking out of that stadium. I know that I can't really go there. I would be in a team with a loss. It would be, especially now that like because like my son would want to go if I went he would be like I want to go. Because and he doesn't even watch football but he gets like excited for. Yeah, and so like he would want to go and then people yell and it would be like a whole thing. So. Have you known people to be like incendiary with with you? I don't think that that's like a. I don't. I don't want to be very clear on this. That is not a bronco's fan problem that is everywhere. That is just like. That's definitely a raiders problem. I'll say it. problems for sure. We could both agree. I wish we could like come together on that more. Like I really wish that like we could the three of us the chargers and the broncos and the cheese could all just be like look we don't like each other but those guys like I wish we did

30:37more of that. Anyway so I want to talk about like the moments you're looking forward to this season. And I was thinking about this last night and I you know because it's like we started I started this is the time of year I started being like man I think I'm ready for the season to be back. That opening night with the first like announcements is always really great because the fans still show up and show their you know how much they love everybody. The first buzzer beater always awesome always really incredible. I love media day I just seen everybody like I like seeing my colleagues I love my colleagues and I'm like the players are never happy to see us and we're always happy to see them that's how that goes. Yeah I think the NBA media day when I do have a chance to go it was amazing. I think that first game in ball arena is going to be sick even those versus New Orleans. Golden State obviously it's going to be a lot of fun. And I think too like if they get off to

31:39a fast start I think that that can do so much for good will for Nuggets fans because I think everybody just has PTSD for how to year ended and how hard it felt and all the injuries and stuff. I just really want to see Aaron Gordon in a Dunkin Park. I said a lot bro like those crowd pops are all time great in Nuggets moment. They remind me to Kenyan days when he's down there doing that. I think I will tell you that having had some conversations I'm expecting a very different AG this year in a good way. We'll see if the body holds up there's only so much he can do but I'm pretty optimistic about a great vibes year from AG. When it's been a couple of rough years for him for the most understandable of reasons possible on that front. I think that he's like in a I think from what I have been told it sounds like he's in a phenomenal place emotionally and I'm pretty excited about that. The first time Christian

32:40Brown don't so I'm just gonna be like I don't feel like everybody on the team is like in a position where they all have something to prove at this point. No I do think that there's gonna be a little everyone. I think this is gonna be the first time since 2023 that they're gonna come in feeling like they have to prove something because everyone they have relied on. We know what we're doing. We won the title. We got that served back at us every single time that we questioned them once. We won a championship. What are you talking about? But now it's been three years and now they've had two disappointing three disappointing exits in a row and last year was an abomination and I think everybody knows it. So look they get who do you think is it's Adam and you think we're gonna take it to another level this year? Yeah. Yeah I think I think Adelman's gonna do I will be very interested when Adam and gets asked about self-reflection of what he could do better on media day because I do think that David is smart enough to come in with a good answer on that question.

33:43And I think that fans will be happier with that answer. Well everyone's happy on media day, right? You gotta do the thing. You could say you're gonna do the thing. I remember this because I went to the Bucks training camp in 2018-19 Buds for a season and that was the first year that it was like it was like you could tell like I walked in and there was like a different like I was like oh okay and then I started talking to it to to players and coaches and you got this real sense of like Yannis was adamant about this and so was Chris Middleton. They were both like we're not gonna say we're gonna do it we're gonna do it. You can't say you're gonna do it. What's that? Well that was Middleton, Bletsos on that roster. Yannis who else was there? Lopez? Yeah, yeah that was the first year of that quarter. Portis? Not him? Okay so you got that that that that's when the Bucks became like the Bucks. Yeah and I saw it early

34:44and was like I was like telling people that they're gonna be a wagon. Right. So that's why I think you know I've got I've gotten asked about this a little bit in the discord of people suggesting that nothing to a sudden pressors matters and I would tell you you have to know how to read it that it's not that what they say is true and meaningful it's that you have to know how to interpret the things that are said and if you can do that you can actually extract a little bit of reason and meaning to it but look I'm excited for training camp I'm excited for all these things I'm excited for being back in the gym. Are you more excited for Chief Wall this year or nuggets basketball? It's a good question there's so different for me right because like with the nuggets I'm excited to do my job I like doing my job and like Casey is such a like it's I'm a third-generation fan yeah and it's just a part of like my like cultural identity I will tell you that like you know do I have high expectations? No I think like I have a bet on

35:46Broncos Chargers to finish one and two in the division your schedule is so good like I was ready to I I wanted to like absolutely go against them because I was like I think last year a lot of things went right and yada yada and then like I looked at your schedule and was just like man they're still like their defense and offensive line is too good as much as I think balls is overrated like I just think that you're too good you're so funny with like who you have these little like beef with bowls and certain is so funny to me. So like you've been bowls for years was the guy that was oh I remember he was killing you and so he's always gonna be that guy to me where I'm like I don't trust him. But you and the certain thing is so funny to me. I didn't look man that is pure fan hatred there's nothing real about that I recognize how good most overrated player in league though. The other four locked on nuggets appreciate you guys being with us we'll be back with you tomorrow I will join Swipe a tomorrow again as Ryan is off

36:47for the next week and a half and then we'll be back on Sunday night with another episode. I appreciate you guys joining us we'll see you guys again next time on locked on nuggets. Matt why are you carrying water for the billionaire? Always. I want the right billionaires to get eaten. Thank you for making locked on your first listen every day. For your second listen find the locked on NBA podcast where there's no offseason. West Matt and Hayes keep you up to date on contract negotiations rumors and everything you need to be the most informed NBA fan. Find locked on NBA on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts. Part of the locked on podcast network your team every day.