Iran Lays Down the Law | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

0:00Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at Jones Gap, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never return from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little... Meh. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit GreenvilleSC.com.

1:24Good morning, Anne. Thank you for joining us here. Wait, we have an element not found. Let me do a little bit of troubleshooting as we start the week here. That's a normal occurrence on D-program. Oh, it's a normal... Anytime you're dealing with Rumble Studio. Okay, we're up and running. Thanks for joining us here. It's D-program with Ted Royal and Jamar Althomas. It's Monday, September 21st, 2026. J-T is just wrapping up his normal solo show from 7 to 9 p.m. Eastern time. That is his soon as he's done there. He'll pop over here. I just wanted to do some housekeeping and let you know that we now have a new schedule that we've been previewing over the last few weeks. That now goes into effect immediately starting today. So here's the story. We will be here Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 9 a.m. until 11 a.m. Eastern time.

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4:45doing well there, so I don't know what's going on. Anyway, all right, here's what we got going, and I'll just go down it. The Trump once again, musing about blowing up the entire nation of Iran, whether he should do that, the congressional budget office, and the Pentagon, have just released the latest figures for the current cost of Trump and Israel's war against Iran, $43.6 billion through September 3rd. And of course, that was two weeks ago. So it's more now. Bombs, missiles, and other munitions account for more than 60% of that extraordinary amount of money. Security chief Mosin Rezae has laid out a new set of conditions that the Islamic Republic has in order to end its war with the United States. And we will go through those mostly of stuff that you already heard, but there's one or two really big new ones that you're going to want to know about.

5:45And then Trump says that the arch in DC is going to be a military complex that's going to have drones, snipers, ammunition. I'm kind of hoping it has like a water slide and all sorts of cool stuff that any nine-year-old boy would want to have because it definitely sounds like the fantasies of a nine-year-old boy. Hydrofoil. Got to have that. It's right by the river, right? So you could have that. And let's see, two other things. Greenland and Denmark have apparently caved into the Donald and we'll get into that. And Trump has banned, right, journalistic stenographers from the White House from CNN, MSNOW, and Politico. And so we'll get into all that. If you have a question, please put it in the live chat between 9 and 11 a.m. Eastern time here, 9 and 11. That's right, new time. And we will be,

6:45we will and producer Robbie West will put those up in the live chat. We'll take the questions on either on YouTube or on rumble. Okay, that's a lot of chit-chat. Okay, we have a few questions here and we'll just get to it. Jackson, Ted, if Ben Gavir becomes the prime minister, will he'll nuke Gaza and destroy all holy sites in Jerusalem? Your thoughts as well, Jamal Thomas and Robbie. The idea of Ben Gavir becoming the prime minister of Israel is bone-chilling. It's not that to say that Israel is in good hands under Benjamin Netanyahu, far from it. But it is, oh, by the way, I should also remind everyone. Tomorrow, Benjamin Moser, the Pulitzer Prize winning author of Antizionism, a Jewish history, will be joining us in the 9 o'clock hour to talk about his new book. I strongly recommend that you at least check, you know, maybe do a quick Google search and find out what it's about. But the title is self-explanatory and it is a

7:46serious eye-opener for anybody who's ever bought into the bullshit that like, you know, all Jews are Zionists, all Zionists are Jews far from it. And it has not been like that since the very, very beginning. So, I mean, I think this is maybe seriously, you know, fuck Donald Trump, fuck Columbia University. This is probably the biggest, the most effective thing that anyone will ever do to counter anti-Semitism ever is this book. And, okay, let's see. Oh, and what do you, oh yeah, sorry, you should answer, you guys should answer Jackson's question about Ben Kovir. Yeah, it's terrifying. I mean, it will be honest. It will be honest. But as you point out, Netanyahu, in the Middle East, is stranger than a moderate, and compares into some of the other creatures such as Ben Kovir. Yeah, it will be, I mean, how dramatic of a nightmare could it be, I suppose. I mean, Netanyahu, every single get worse, no matter how bad it is, it can always get

8:49worse. That is true. That is true, Robbie. Yeah, I don't know. I guess we're not going to be, it will be honest. Like, it's the face that they present to the world anyway. I mean, I suppose he can nuke or try to nuke Iran, I suppose, that. And since getting worse, I mean, they're already taking Gaza. They're already following through on Ben Kovir's building ideas in regards to the settlements and everything else. They already protect settlers in West Bank. I suppose he can give them weapons and have the military go directly into the West Bank. Meaning it could get worse. I don't doubt it. Oh, yeah. How much worse could it get, I suppose. Yeah, I think that he would officially annex like Southwest, Southwest Syria, the West Bank, Gaza. I don't see him nuking anything because the ecological damage that would do to Israel would be pretty significant. But as far as the water they have to nuke or anything else, but can never use those nukes. Then what's the point of having? Oh, you can understand using them. Yes, I'll use

9:52them right there on your border. I mean, that would be like, oh, you mean against the West Bank or against the West Bank. I mean, as crazy as I am, naivet, I would nuke Tijuana. I mean, that would be, I think the word would be bad. So I wish Ben Kovir was stupid. He's not. He's very smart. I would prefer if he was stupid and evil, but he's evil and intelligent. I can't 100% seem like nuking around. He's not stopping. What would the Chinese do? Absolutely nothing. I don't know. I gotta be honest, that's a blind spot to me. Like what the world does after because nukes are, that's like a third rail. That's a flashing red light, bright, strobe light. I mean, this is a light for a gay bar in the mid 80s. Yeah, I don't think that countries would just be like, oh, well, I think it would be collectively losing your shit.

10:57We just want you to commit a genocide in the world collectively, Yand. No, I get that. Yeah, but that's also happened before the world collectively, Yand at previous genocides, but this nukes have only been used in the course of World War II. At a time when they were brand new and nobody even, we understand what nukes do because of Hiroshima and Akasaki. So there was no red light in the sand because it was a complete like GTM with you. I don't know. I can't, you know, I mean, look, that's the thing, right? I'm really good at pattern recognition, but there's no pattern here because we don't, this has never happened before. So we don't know what would happen. I mean, it's like, it might well be, Robbie could very well be right. Like a whole lot, it could be a whole lot of nothing happening, but it could also be like, holy fucking shit. I mean, it could be anything in between. Well, I mean, people are going to freak out with the point of the point is that I couldn't do anything. But first of all, the only nation on the planet

11:57I could think of that would retaliate if Israel used a new could be Pakistan. What would happen because India is so firmly in the zio sphere, what would happen if Pakistan fired nukes at Israel? India would light them up and they know it. And they're not going to trade. Well, you know, like so, you think India would get involved if Pakistan goes after Israel because there's so many Zionists in India. Oh, I don't buy that, Robbie. I don't look for my point of view. I do have a model for that. Countries are cynical entities. They're much in the old interest. And let's do some kind of weird ideological stuff like Ansarullah on the normal circumstances. What is in our collective specific interests? If Iran gets attacked, Russia is not getting involved, despite the fact that Russia doesn't want Iran to fall. Pakistan also has a kind of political, doesn't have the ring. It's missiles don't have the range to strike Israel with any accuracy. Well, in which case, then nothing would happen. Because if Pakistan can't strike back,

13:02the rest of us want to do nothing, they would, if Israel looped Taran tomorrow, no one will do anything. Maybe an email would be sent. Well, I do know what we'll see. No, we would launch any and everything at their disposal to end the state of Israel. That's true. Meaning there will be no Israel after Israel does that. That's true. I don't think there would be. I think Iran would just go at that point is existential or that's rough. Anybody that it's even it's a partial uptick at that point. Yeah, it's a little bit. And yeah, but beyond that, I don't know. Listen, I hope the children should hit this is one time I would absolutely love you. I think the Israelis know that. The Israelis obviously know that too. All right, we should we should move on. They do they do. All right, so imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at Jones Gap, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never

14:07returned from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little. Ma, Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit GreenvilleSC.com. Let's do a check since we're on the topic of Iran. And by the way, thanks to Macadam for becoming a member of the show. We appreciate you. So, all right, should we talk about, let's talk about Iran. Okay. Security chief. Let's take them one at a time. All right. So security chief, most

15:08and Rezae has laid out a new set of conditions to end the war with the US. Now, one caveat here, he's one official. As we know, Iran has a multi-layered, several lattice, governance structure. So, it's not a dictatorship by any means. So, there's no one man necessarily. But I think this is probably close to, be 95% believable to the, like this is where the Islamic State currently is. Okay. He is from the Supreme National Security Council. Right. So, he has authority to speak on this issue. Yeah. He's the man that, what's his name, that how many, what is it, most of all, like L is mispronounced his first thing, but how many I, this is pretty lead, are putting to recent position. Right. How many two point of the weapons? Apparently. So, yeah, he is. So, these, so these are mostly repetitive to the memorandum of

16:08understanding that basically the Trump administration immediately ignored as soon as they signed. But here we go. Number one. And this is, I would say, a harsher list of demands in all but one respect. But an end to the war on all fronts, again, with an emphasis on Lebanon. Okay. That is right out of the MOU. The release of all frozen funds that run into billions of dollars. The end of the naval blockade on Iranian ports, an end to US interference in Iranian internal affairs, an end to all US attacks on Iranian territory. Now, here's where the two, there's the big difference. One thing is new and one thing is gone. What is gone is reparations, asking for reparations. And I've always said that that was a throwaway because if they get their frozen funds back, they don't, you know, they, they, de facto have money for reparations, right? Or to, or just they're not reparations, but they have money to repair all the infrastructure

17:10that the US and Israel has destroyed. But a brand new thing is here. And, and it's funny to me that the mainstream media has is missing this. And, and to all US cooperation with opponents of our revolution. In other words, countries like Israel, countries like Saudi Arabia, countries like Qatar. In other words, this is a big demand. It's like, well, we're going to let go of reparations, but we want the US completely out of the Middle East. We want them to have, certainly they can be friends with anyone who's not an enemy of Iran. But if you're an enemy of Iran, no, this is, this is off the table. This is new. And I think it's a big deal. And I think we should spend some time, you know, going, going over it. Yeah. I strongly suspect that's going to be a throwaway also. You think there's no way to enforce that. Like, meaning if the US says, okay, we'll give you reparations,

18:11like not reparations, but we'll give you, I don't know, $50 billion back. And we'll stop blockading imports. But we want you to implement the deal with a world, a mind in order to open the straight, et cetera, et cetera. But, and then Iran says, wait, wait, wait, but we need you to stop cooperation with the Saudis and the Gulf countries and Israel before we stop the war. Does Iran really take it all on that? Like, many, do you really go to go to dial that particular hill in order to get the water stock? Now, if you think that you're in that strong of a position and your response is, well, if you don't do this, we're going to do what? You're going to open strikes on those warships. You're going to open strikes on the thing. Iran is not attacking the United States, currently, in the war. It's not like Iran is prosecuting the war by continuing strikes when the US stops Iran tends to stop. So it's like, so if the US says, well, we're not going to stop by cooperation, what is Iran going to do? Well, they are attacking the United States right now.

19:13They're attacking us through the energy market. No, no, I think they're going to point. No, what I mean is, it's not like Iran is having military strikes against the United States. I mean, they could say, well, we're going to keep the straight of the moves shut, meaning if the US is, we're going to give you everything else. Iran says, no, we're going to keep the straight shut because you're continuing the work with Israel. I may be wrong. I don't think it's because of Israel. I think it's because we, at the United States, two or three times is attacking the middle of peace negotiations and killed their negotiators. And there's no trust. That's the issue is just that we have, well, I completely agree. And so if that's the case, and the fact that the Houthis just slapped it and saw the Arabian army yesterday, I mean, they tapped their capital for God's sake. Iran's got the cards here. They can force this. And all they got to do is just wait till a new Congress comes in and says, listen, the price of a diesel gets up to $12 a gallon. The price of gas gets up to $8. And if you want that, if you want that pain to end, you need to stop playing, you just

20:18stop playing God in their leash. You go home. I know, but they can force it. But this is not one side. It's not like we're the ones that are only experiencing pain. They also experience pain as a result of the blockade on their ports and not to mention going after their ships. I mean, they may be willing to tolerate it. True. And they may be willing to accept it, especially considering it's existential. But you have a, to be polite, a reformist government that is in play, despite the fact you have the hard lines from the standpoint of the National Security Council and the hard lines from right all the way through this. But if they could get a deal, they're going to try to get a deal. I mean, even the, um, crazy, I think that's the way you pronounce his name. The one that Taylor was talking about. Even he, when he's talking about, he's like, these, this is what's necessary for us to start negotiations, meaning we are open for negotiations, providing the terms, all right. And on the normal circumstances, these are maximalist terms. Like when I give you my terms, I'm giving you my maximalist terms. Sure.

21:19These are maximalist. And they're parts of this that they're willing to deviate from it. Like the Russians. They're like, well, we're going to take all of this territory. We need the gibber to the Nazis and we need to get rid of this. And then they have the Alaska format and put this like, so much as acceptable. He would have taken a deal. Her regardless of all the maximalist, oh, stuff that's coming out of them. This is the same way. Some of the stuff is maximalist. Some of the stuff they're willing to accept. I don't think so. I think here's the difference is because the United States opened up this war with an illegal war of aggression. We tried to to capitate their government. We killed their supreme leader. We killed his entire family. We have been, been, Israel's a tack dog for years. And if you want to weaken Israel, you've got to get the United States out. And so it would be like, no, for example, no, you're, no, you're, you're, you're creating example. It fits with one problem. While we've happened, if the United States had assassinated Putin and we're dealing with his successor, that's the difference. But these are not the same countries. Russia has much longer of a country

22:23than Iran. Russia has much more resources. Much Russia could deal with the sanctions than being taken off the swift. Meaning Russia would stood all of that. I agree. Iran might have would stood it, but it doesn't have the industrial base. It doesn't have the military capacity. It doesn't have the rest of what I can go around the world. But it's more aggressive. No, I agree, but they have a more aggressive form. But they're more aggressive as a people, at this point I'm making. Like, for example, the Russians could put this war to bed four years ago. They didn't. Why? Because they're, they're playing it safe and nibbling around the edges, trying to eat the elephant one by the... Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at Jones Gap, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never return from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends.

23:24What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little... Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visitgreenvillesc.com. Time. Iran cannot do that. For one thing, it's an essential step for them. For another thing, we tried to decapulate their country. President Trump threatened to... He said that entire civilization will die tonight. We're talking about a country that's 4,000 years old. Well, speaking of which, we have to just mention the fact that Trump has said something similar, again yesterday, where he said that he's amusing about if and when do I blow up the entire

24:24nation up? In other words, Iran. Well, the reporting is that MBS had big Trump over and over again. In fact, he had the Chinese, the Pakistanis, the Iranians. He had pretty much anybody that would listen. Please get on Sourla off of our ass. Please, he's still running. And at your point in, they hit riade. They were hitting conversations and they continued to advance. Yes, it Trump, apparently on Thursday, according to the New York Times, was considering strikes, born on Sourla, and up until the point of Sunday, backed off at the last minute. They were saying that the planes have been loaded, the bombs have been loaded, and at the last minute Trump effectively backed off. We have limits also. I guess my thing is the fact that the the basic point that I'm trying to make is that the civilian government still seems to be open to some sort of negotiation, maybe, maybe I'm wrong on this. I don't know if we'll see, maybe you're right. I mean, look, if the US is

25:30roundly and radically defeated, and there's a financial crash, and the United States is like, okay, we need to pull back. Maybe you're good. It's just running the financial crash will be next early next year after the elections. I don't think it's coming before. I think the analysts are waiting to see how things play out in the midterms. I think then when we head into divided government, which we surely will, they're going to see there's absolutely no hope for any kind of resolution to the financial crisis. Also, by then, the oil prices are going to be that much higher. All the chickens will be coming home to roost all at the same time early next year. That's when we're going to see it. Unfortunately, the prices will only then get so high. Well, the reason why is because what you're going to end up with is companies just going to belly up. Right. There will be reduced demand. We saw that during the pandemic, when the global economy collapsed and the price was reduced demand. I mean, I'm I'm buying gas for $1.75 in Ohio during that

26:33period. I used my gas for $1.75 and that's $1.50. I remember gas used to be $1.50 in Richmond. I'm so much older than you. When I was a little kid, gas was a quarter a gallon. And there were gas wars between where there would be like four gas stations on a corner and there'd be a sign that said, gas war, 23 cents a gallon. Fuck those guys across the street. Come over here. I swear to God, that's true. Jesus. Well, a quarter. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, that was the very early 70s before the OPEC crisis. So okay, what we do have to talk about, well, let's do let's do some comments and then we'll wait. Wait, you didn't give you a take on that. What did you think of going over this, like meaning this, whether or not, what we know, we know. Go ahead, go ahead. Well, no, it was just Robbie gave you say, I gave that a little scurvy, but you're exactly wrong. Look, I think, look, I think they're

27:35stick to it to this last point. Oh, well, I mean, look, I thought it was it, it's, let me put it this way. I think I might I'll a cart this. If I were, I might say, listen, we're going to need to see in the end, a greatly reduced US footprint in the Middle East, particularly, we're going to need to see you pull back from Israel. You know, I think, I if I were them, I would hold out for a reduced US military and financial support for Israel. And the reason is because look, from their point of view, Israel started this war. It was Israel's idea. And Israel said, hey, Trump, you want to tag along? So from their point of view, it's like as long as, you know, it's kind of like, you know, you two crazy kids are driving around the town and, you know, knocking down mailboxes and raising cane. We're going to have to separate you too. You can't sit together in class anymore and you can hang out behind the dumpsters at the 7-11 anymore. You guys can't have as much to do with each other anymore. You guys don't aren't good together

28:39for everybody else, right? So if I'm the Iranians, I'm saying, like, you know, I can't it's like, Israel is America's dog. And they can't have, you know, America's dog well armed and right there, you know, instead of thousands of miles away across the Atlantic Ocean, right there up their ass. It's been too much. And it's like, I think if I'm the if I'm the Iranians, it's almost more important to me to have the Israelis off my ass than it is to have the US off my ass. So, you know, because, I mean, a lot of this, if I'm in turn, if I'm working with the Iranians internally, I'm saying, look, a lot of this goes away by itself and you don't have to worry about it. Like, I mean, the US is definitely going to reduce its footprint in the Gulf because, you know, they got their ass kicked by Iranian drones and missiles and like so much infrastructure and people were killed. And they now know that what those are in the policy of encirclement is obsolete. It's 20th century Cold War politics. It does in the drone age. It doesn't work anymore. Now all you're doing

29:43is creating easy targets for us to hit with our, you know, short to medium range, you know, weapons. So if I'm, but I would say the Israel thing, I've got to have that. I don't necessarily need you to not talk, return the MBS's phone calls anymore, but I need you to be slow at returning, you know, Netanyahu's calls. I think that's important if I'm them. I would, I would care about it. I would push for it. And even if in the end, you end up like letting it go in a peace negotiation in the in the long run, because you get everything else you wanted, the message has still been sent by the fact that you insisted upon it. It's going to be like, look, for future presidents, it's like this is a destabilizing potentially war causing relationship. I think, you know, we've talked about this before. I think I'm more optimistic than most. I think the US Israeli relationship is clearly, I think we can all agree it's doomed. The question is just how long will it last? You know,

30:44there's no world in which this is the current status quo is here in 50 years, right? That's impossible. So the only question now is, well, there's this die in five years, 10 years, 15 years. I think it's going to be five to 10 years. It's like within five to 10 years, the US is going to have a lot less to do with Israel than it used to. I think the next generation is so poison that it will be hard for the next generation to be okay with. Exactly. Yeah, no, I mean, and the numbers are so clear. I mean, it is, I mean, like, that's just immigrants like across the board. Yeah, I mean, Israel basically has about 20 ish percent among the American people. And that support is soft, right? In other words, it's like, even among the, you know, that 20 percent, how many of those people are really hard core some, but you know, it's pretty squishy. I mean, that tide is running out. It's going to be down to single digits in no time. And, you know, who wants, I mean, you know,

31:47sure, like NAFTA only had 30 percent approval, but that's not 4 percent, you know, it's like, they can only ignore the will of the people to a certain extent, not completely, like to a great extent, but all right. So, all right, we have... Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at Jones Gap, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never return from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little... Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to

32:51tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit GreenvilleSC.com. Let's see, okay, some more comments. McAden, thanks for the dollar, new member. Opponents of the revolution are traditionally the M.E.K., who are currently based in the U.S. Yes. And I think it was Patreus. Maybe it was Patreus. It was one of these generals where they asked them, like, I think we can talk about some ideas. But basically they asked them, like, hey, why don't you get money from the M.E.K. and he was like, well, I gave speeches there. This is so you're supporting a group that has been paying you, right? But you're not necessarily disclosing all that much that you're backing these groups. And this was when Miss Lindsay was on stage saying we're going to be celebrating. It was either Lindsey and Grandma John McCain, one of them. We're going to be celebrating Antaidon and he was speaking at an M.E.K. engagement. But these people are like lunatics. I mean, they're considered to be. They were at one point,

33:56considered, not the second terrorists were. But I guess my point is, yeah, they back these balloons as if these guys have any political power. They have no political power in them. Yeah, we always, well, we always make our future. As we know, we always make our future enemies. We wouldn't have any enemies if we didn't make them. F.U.S. thanks for the dollar. Isn't both in Iran and Saudi Arabia, a member of Bricks now? Yeah. Yes. They should dump the West, make peace, and trade. Stocking worse. This is the problem. Good to agree more. Like this is the problem with Bricks. Like, honest to God, I know some people are trying to list about this stuff. But when you look at the organization, a, the organization seems to be a defenseless baby. It's laying in a career, the normal purpose trying to strangle it, right, before it even gets out the crib. Two, you have countries in there that have close relationships with the United States. Maybe frame relationships, considering Saudi Arabia probably feels abandoned right now. But the fallantens of purposes, these close relationships, despite the fact that the organization of Bricks seems to be trying to move in a different way. Embryage. This was the

35:00other story of the Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia dumped Embryage. Now, to be fair, they had stopped working on this project back in 2025. But they only released that they were dumping it now. Which is at the exact same time Donald Trump was deliberating on whether or not to hit on Surah Laugh. Meaning, these guys are stocking. Or somehow, they're going to have to figure out how to settle this. I mean, even the UAE thing, where the UAE was directly related to attacking Iran. And when they were finally in meeting together, the four ministers get into this argument back and forth because their countries are technically at war. Well, that technically, but as a technicality, they fact that. They fact that. Yeah. They fact that. So, yes, both of them are part of Bricks. Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, no, and I couldn't agree more. I mean, part of, I mean, I don't know if it's a, I mean, do you think it's a, Bricks has been pretty much open to all comers? I guess, I don't know, the US were ever to apply whether they would be admitted. But, you know,

36:02otherwise, it's pretty much come, come one, come all. Most of the world's nations are now members of Bricks. Would, is that a, is that a strength or a weakness? I mean, at a certain point, if you're open to everyone, then are you anything? What's what defines you? What separates you? What sets you apart? Or is it, you know, is there strength in numbers? I don't, I can argue with either way. I don't have an answer for that one. Because you can make an argument that, okay, we have 46% of the world economies. And again, for a lot of people who have this idea that Bricks is this idealistic entity, it's not. It's a realist construct. All of the countries are there because it's in the best interest to be there. And they believe that this gives them a better share of dealing with the larger world. It's not ideological. It's not like Soviet Union, right? Where we're going to put money in Africa. Or the non-aligned, the non-aligned pact. Yeah, we're exactly. Yeah, it's not that. It's, these countries are in it to make financial decisions that are in the best interest of their

37:05country. And they believe that this organization gives them a gateway to do that in a way that is not part of this kind of G7 stuff. This is established order. It's just that. I mean, even the name G7, it all every time I hear it, it serves to me as a reminder of exactly of its exclusionary nature. I mean, it was the G8. And they threw Russia out. And it's like every time I hear that, I'm just like, oh, yeah, that happened. And they haven't made it right. And even if they even if they had made it right and invited Russia back, I would still remember. But the fact that they haven't, it's crazy. Yeah. And Russia made the point. Look, 48% of the world economies, or the world economies here, the BRICS, you guys calling yourself the G7. It's like, you guys are the touch. Like the bulk of the world is over here. And yeah, Europe's irrelevance is pretty prodigious. It just is. They don't seem the grasp. I mean, they still go with this colonial empire stuff as they're being colonized by the US as the

38:07USX. Right. No, that's the, um, no, no, it's not. It's just a reminder for people, because a lot of people are here who were not here at the top of the show. This is the new schedule is now in effect. So we're going two hours today all the way until 11 a.m. Eastern. We've still got an hour and 25 minutes left in today's show. We are, so it's 9 to 11 Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and the old 9 to 10 schedule remains on Tuesdays and Thursdays. The emphasis in the last half of today's show, as it was in the old Q&A show, which is not happening, the Q&A show is actually the 10 o'clock hour. Right. So just come in with your questions and we will attempt to have answers. It could be a strength. If you get something like Saudi Arabia moves to, let's say, the Russia Chinese angle, because I get the sense of Saudi Arabia, yes, there's a puppet, but I think it sees the righty one of the wall. But in the very least, you would think it would see the righty one of the wall. If that, all of the Gulf states shouldn't see the righty one of the wall, the US

39:11can't protect you. Like if that Tony, if I had made a deal with that Tony, if that Tony is walking by and says, hey, that's a nice bar you got there. Be ashamed if anything happened to it. And then they go, oh, if that Tony, you know, there's very little crime here. I think I'll be okay. And then your windows are broken. Somebody robbed his register and if that Tony comes back and says, God, man, looks like this neighborhood is going to hell. Okay, fat Tony is my and then you find that fat Tony starts a gang war and your bomb, your restaurant is getting bombed. And fat Tony can't protect you. Look at him. What do you think? In fact, fat Tony is getting you into more trouble than you were before. He's not protecting you. He's in parallel. And you can't say your cookies because fat Tony is already gang wars. Okay, so what do you think in that moment? And you can't be protected. And fat Tony is making your life worse. Yes. You've got to cut fat Tony loose. Yeah, fat Tony can still punch you in the notes. That's the problem. We'd be gently picking it up. Yeah, but then you're looking for new friends.

40:15I think that the G7 is just us living in old former glories. I mean, we can't, no, we can't rebuild the Francis Scott key bridge. We can't fix up ways. We can't keep playing some money on each other. We can't keep playing doors falling off mid flight. No, those are all real problems. Yeah. And it's just it's symbolism is symbolic. It's it's a relic of a bygone era and the and the ruling class just cannot accept the fact that the rest of the world has left them behind. Let's see, that's the wild part. All of this stuff is just an issue of where do you allocate your money? It's not magic. No. Like when China is allocate, it's not like we don't have engineers in this country. It's not like we can't train engineers. I mean, we build also to shit, right? It's what do you want to put your money into and how do you allocate that money in order to do whatever you want to do from standpoint of your imagination? If you want to have a high proxeter to go from California to Richmond, you can do that. You can build that. Sure. It's not like it's technologically impossible to do. And it's not like you know, I've engineers in the US that can do it. It just don't

41:19like any it's always about this thing of how can we make a profit? Well, I don't know if I can make a huge amount of profit off of this. Okay. So you just don't do it. Or how can my or how can this government connected, you know, bro of the president, you know, make a short term profit and grift for the next two to three years? That's that's literally it. We got a big generous donation, $20 from a syphilitic, syphilitic Crayola, syphilitic royals. Sorry, it's when the when I put these up, they're very, very small. Regular unleaded is now $4.30 in Miami. Yeah, the prices are definitely going up. Or 20 here in Richmond. And have you seen Margaret Telegram? She's been putting up post showing her pointing the gas and saying, look at what the gas prices. I have not seen. But yeah, they're just going to go. They're going to keep going up. One last point real quick about the Margaret Telegram thing. Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at Jones Gap,

42:22dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never return from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit GreenvilleSC.com.

43:31I actually probably believe her. Wow. But I don't think she's lying either. Daniel, if we keep electing hacks, nothing will change, man. People used to say we would never get into a war after Vietnam. How did that work out? I have a question for Daniel. For everybody else who believes in this, we can vote our way out of our current dilemma. How? That's a serious question. You only have two major parties who are allowed to have meaningful power in this country. They're both corporatist, militarist, pro-Israel, etc. Anti-national health care, etc. So how do you vote when your politics aren't on the ballot? Let's say your politics are free Palestine. Those politics are not on the ballot in like a presidential election. I always say this because it's a mind-blowing statistic. Between 60 and 70% of all local and state races in the

44:35United States are unopposed completely, which means to say there's only one party running for these. Right? So you'll go and look at like a judge or a sheriff or state representative and there's only a Republican or there's only a Democrat. There's not even the other pro- Zionist or pro-capitalist or whatever, pro-free trade party. It's all the same. You tell me, when people say like, well, we have the government we deserve. How do we have the government we deserve? I mean, the only way to change that government in a meaningful way is through a revolution, the violent overthrow of the state. But pending that in between those moments when you have this two-party hegemony, how the hell are you supposed to vote your way out of it? I mean, I'm completely, it baffles me when people say that. It's like there is no half-decent option on the ballot ever. So you don't think we have the government we deserve? No, we do not. I mean, we would,

45:37I mean, unless you think that we should, and I do think, I do think we should overthrow the government, if you think that, like, if you, when you say that, if you say, well, you deserve this because you're not overthrowing the government, you don't have pitchforks and torches, then I'll agree with you. But I don't think people are who say that are thinking about revolution. I think they're thinking about like, you should vote better. And I don't think voting better. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think that's what they mean. And I don't think voting better, better. Like, I vote great. If everybody I, who I've ever voted for, had one, we'd still be in the same exact situation we're in because it's because on the big issues, I mean, there's differences of tone. And I mean, for sure, you know, Democrats belong to the World Health Organization and we don't and we should. And that, you know, somewhat matters. But the point is that like, on the big issues of war and peace and so on, I mean, both parties are identical. And so I mean, you tell me how the fuck, no, we don't

46:42have the government that we deserve. How can we? There's like, it's literally hilarious. It's like saying, you know, it's a restaurant that serves Pepsi or Coke and they're like, and I'm like, well, I don't like Pepsi or Coke. Well, that's your fault because, you know, you don't vote for anything different. But there's only Pepsi or Coke on the menu. And I don't like either one. Yeah, but it apathy is what I think we got government we deserve. Meaning I disagree with you on this. I think we do have the government we deserve. I mean, the reality of it is if you get a political system with the majority of the people get so accustomed to just, well, I'm going to put the guy in office and I expect him to do the job. Okay, well, what's the job? If you're hearing the 20 million people in the country, what's the job that you as an individual expect him to do? And he's going to go and the because there's so many people and because there's so many divided things that all these people want, he gets a pass on doing pretty much whatever he wants. Now, you may try to take them out of office,

47:46but then we have a political system, 90% of the choices are decided by the cash. So at that point, it's like, okay, well, it seems like cash is the thing that society, the electoral process. But the reality of it is if there was a political issue that dug into the population, people would be less apathetic. If they can't, for example, if one political campaign said we are bringing back slavery and we want to put every black person in chattel slavery to help with the economic downturn that we don't have to have migrants into the country. Back to the old people. What part of the country did part of the country would lose its mind? I would hope the whole country would lose its mind, but maybe not. I don't know. There's a good 13% that may think this is a great idea. Right. I'm just saying, I think it would be more than I promise it would be more than that. Yeah. But my point is like the public will be galvanized. It wouldn't be this thing of, oh,

48:47maybe I'll go and vote. You would get like 80% people going to the polling in order to vote for a very explicit point of saying, hell, no. The meaning, the apathy is on some level chosen. Okay, but in your and not, but in your, but you brought up two points here and I'm going to take them in reverse order, which I often do. It's one of my major weird personality traits. It's like, but in your in this in this restoration of slavery, Octavia Butler scenario, it basically both parties would be in favor of it. Okay. That's so that's what I'm talking about. No, it's an area one party is for the other party. But I would imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you hiking at Jones Gap, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never return from Greenville. They

49:49disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops and performing arts all in one place. Everywhere else started to seem a little. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visitcreenvillesc.com. I'm saying because it's such an important issue, the reality, if you're drawing an analogy to our current situation, that would look more like both parties were like, yeah, let's restore slavery. No, I'm not using that. So who you vote for? How are you going to vote? I mean, so then I'm only making this as an example of the public would get engaged. It doesn't have to be sure, but they're, but it, but so what? I mean, the current, there isn't that kind of

50:53differentiating between the two major parties these days, or maybe ever, but certainly not now. I mean, there is no huge, I mean, that's a huge ass issue. I mean, there's no huge ass issue like that where there's major differences between the two parties. I mean, they're both deficit spenders. They're both, they both have, they're both imperialists. They're both war mongers. These are those are big issues. They're both climate change deniers. You know, Democrats will talk about climate change, but they won't do anything about it. So, I mean, they're all, they're both into starving the welfare state. But nobody wants to build infrastructure. You know, Democrats talk a little bit about it, but they don't do it. I mean, so it's just sort of, I don't know, but I like, what was the first point you made? Oh, I didn't want to miss the first part you made, which I think, because I think it's really profound. When you said like, okay, so we elect people and then we don't hold their feet to the fire. I think that's really huge. I mean, it's like, that's a big difference between

51:59like the United States and like the people in most sort of representative elected system, electoral democracies like you're at Western Europe. Like in other countries, you elect people, but then you don't think, oh, we're done for the next two to four years and I got to go work my three jobs now. And you know, you pay attention. And like when your politician fucks you, which she ultimately always will, you go, you head out into the street, you go on national strike, you break things, you burned, you burned cars, and you know, you hold their feet to the fire. It's not a perfect system, but it's certainly more engaged than ours. Right. I think my point is, apathy is the issue. But apathy is a normal response to this. But isn't apathy. Whoa, I think those both ways. Did you think it's a rational response? But yeah, but when a political system gets, yes and no, it depends whether it's the chicken or the egg. I mean, when a political system gets to the point where they just assume that the public is not necessarily going to get that much engaged or that assume the propaganda

53:03is going to be able to be enough. Okay, but I think the key point is the society itself just kind of checks out of the process. And I don't know if that's a chicken or egg thing. I mean, you put some idea in office, look, I will tell you, personally, when I have a purpose and objective, I'm very good. When I don't, I flounder. I don't know what to do. You have a public that seemingly is just kind of has no direction in regards to what it wants to accomplish in regards to government. Maybe this is a short system. Like meaning the way the system is organized doesn't allow the public to get engaged or to fully know or to even hold politicians accountable because you have two political parties and you either choose and Pepsi to cope. Maybe you're right. I don't know. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're winning me one. I'll take you side on this. All right. I'm bothered by the the apathy. The apathy is the thing that bothers me, which is why I think the apathy is rational. I mean, I think it's learned helplessness. I think if you have, you know, it's kind of like, you know, like one of the main purposes of the public school system is to teach apathy, right? It's

54:05basically to tell you this is the way things always have been and the way the things always will be. So, you know, and you learn there's a lot of what is the first thing? What is the thing that adults, old people always tell young people? Like, dude, you can't change this. This is the way it's always going to, has always been. This is the way it always will be. And it's like, and so, you know, when young people rebel, which is always young people, it's they ignore the older generation. Thank God. And they go out and they break things and they try to change the world. But usually they find out that the old people were right and it's and changing the world is hard if not close to impossible. I don't know. I think it's like if you are, if you're like me, you're 63 years old, you've been voting since you were 18 and you see an election after an election after an election after an election after an election, that it's all bullshit. I mean, of course, you're apathetic. I mean, you know, I vote because of the ritual, not because I think it'll change anything. I know it won't

55:06change anything. In fact, things are only getting worse. I agree with you. But the political system is not just fully. And maybe that's where I'm right, politics. Okay, I'll say this way. Under the specific model that you gave of if going to the voting booths is going to change something I agree with you. The answer is no. But our political system goes beyond just fully. Right. Adjutant. I mean, for God's sake, the civil rights movement wasn't just voting. It was agitation. The women's rights movement. Absolutely. Okay, right. Absolutely. The rights was willing grace. Those are a bit different. But those things were pressure. Okay, right. Started out, you know, the big, you know, the stone wall uprising. Right. I mean, but I guess violence was involved and required pressure against a political system, that political system, they change. No, there's not one full swoop when you change everything you want to go. But the fact that the public has shown the propensity to do it means it can be done. It's just not. And maybe that's where I'm coming in. I'm changing by my

56:07if on a specific thing of voting, I agree with you. But voting is not the end of the all. We can't know. No, it's not. It's not process. Yeah, it's the end. Well, I think protests and demonstrations are super important. But again, only if there's no peace police, only if there's a credible threat of violence every time there's a peaceful protest. And it has to always a protest has to be disruptive. It has to be it has to be dangerous. It has to be threatening to the powers that be. Or it is toothless as we've seen with the no Kings rallies. But the Kings rallies are different. Those are just democratic rallies. Those aren't right. Yeah, but a lot of people, including good lefties and progressive, so you know, who I'm friends with, they go to those part and to those, you know, because they hate street parties. Like you can, like for example, if you you can watch MSMC and 25% of what they say, you'd be like, oh, I agree with that because they just hate Trump, right? Like it's like, hey, I agree with you. How bad Trump is. So yeah, one is 25% and they agree with you. Same thing with the no Kings route. Those things are just entities in order to funnel people into

57:11the democratic party. Yeah, not, but again, as you point out, voting for democratic is not going to change. You need it. Nope. Here's the part that I think that you are both missing. How much for a population is drugged? How much of them are on antidepressants? How many of them are on marijuana? How many of them are drinking? How many of them are just literally drugged out of their minds? And there's no aggression left in the society. You can't have a violent protest. If you are the United Nations. Well, think about what I'm saying. I mean, that's the issue. That's, you're not wrong. I mean, back in the 1860s, you had 13 unique colonies. Really what started the American Revolution was great awakening. And that was led by a handful of preachers, which is a limit to the power that a king has. That's unpopular thing to say now, but that's really what sparked it. The divine right of King is a crowd.

58:12But this was the same issue in Australia. This is the same issue. Like pretty much every colony comes up with the same thing. The rich want to be untethered from the king because they're more people have their own feet. They don't want to create taxes. Agreed. But here's the thing is they want to collect taxes and stuff. Is that how effective George Whitfield or Sam Adams would have been if 80% of the people going to listen to him were on antidepressants and just looking forward to their next nap. Well, it would never happened in the anti-war movement in the 60s. The skies were stoneers. I mean, they just really get out and say, hey, we don't like the fact that you're murdering people in other countries. Well, there was a split there. There was a split in the 60s between like the hippies and the new left, right? And the new left were definitely, you know, I'm not saying they were sober, clean and sober. But they were more like drinkers and, you know, sure, people smoked. But they weren't sitting around. Yeah. Yeah. And alcohol can sort of temporarily

59:12serve as a stimulant. Look, I think what Robbie brought up is actually hugely profound, right? I mean, the drinking water is full of SSRIs. The drugs that have been legalized are all depressants. No stimulants. We are mucow. We're passive. And then there's also the prison industrial complex where there's been studies about like how one of the reasons that testosterone is dropping in the population aside from environmental causes is also because we're taking our most aggressive young men and putting them in locking them up where they don't reproduce, right? And so we know that like the people who aggression were basically breeding aggression out of the human race. And, you know, and so people are like men are literally less hairy and less testosteroney and all that stuff and less aggressive because, you know, aggression is what lands you in prison if you do street crimes.

1:00:13I don't know. I think there's a lot to it. I think there's a, you know, this is a Jared Diamond argument, right? Like just like a lot of what happens in politics is caused by environmental and medical and psychological and, you know, other kind of extraneous even even the way, you know, even the way things like toxic toxic plasma osus affects people. Yeah, I mean, this isn't, I mean, look at the opium wars. This is a problem with Americans on knowing history. The opium wars flooded flooded China with opium. It destroyed the entire nation and nearly, it nearly ended the entire civilization. It was so bad. We're doing the same thing. And it led to, and it led to the rise of Chinese nationalism. It did. It did. It took a hundred years to overcome that. That's why the Chinese are. They have them for us. So, oh, well, how can you? They're like never again. We're not letting that shit happen again. We never get that. Carving the Chinese melon. They cut the Brits called it. Right. And then now here we have

1:01:13Big Pharma paying ads with their lobbies flooding all these drugs into the American population. And then you wonder why there's like no one's out in the streets raising Hill about cameras and stuff. There's something because we are stone out of our mind. That's the old chat with Robbie. Robbie's out of his mind. Maybe so. But give me another example. I mean, but, okay, you may have like this example, but BLM Black Lives Matter people out in the streets. People all want to be singularity though, right? Do you remember? You remember why? I know I do, but I'm trying to make the point because it wasn't the cause, right? It was the time. It's it's COVID. I mean, literally, um, the, the, the, the, you're trying to say if there was no COVID, people wouldn't do it. That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that like, like, people were literally they didn't have to go, they didn't have jobs to go to, right? So they were free all day long. I mean, okay, this is one one guy, but it kind of woke me up to this. I was parking my car.

1:02:15There were BLM protests every single day in New York City at that time. Thank you. Fucking hell. Every day, seven days a week. By the way, that's what a sustained protest looks like. That's a real protest. That really holds the authorities' feet to the fire. Like, oh, this isn't like, you know, on Saturday morning, you know, every four months, you know, with a parade permit. This is like things are spicy, right? The windows can get broken. Stores can get looted. We have to, we, this is a, this is worrisome, right? This affects our tax base. This affects our our bottom dollar, which is all we fucking care about, right? So anyway, this guy's walking down the street and he was on this way to or from the protest. And he's just, we started talking and he's like, he goes, oh, he goes, he goes, there's nothing else to do, man. No Yankees game, no work. Like, this is, this is the only game in town. And we both, we fisk bumped, right? And it was like, that's, and it was like, that's exactly right. It was the only game in town. It's sort of like,

1:03:16people, you know, I went to a stoning in Kabul back in 2000. And it was on Fridays, right? And like, it's like, I remember going and talking to people like, why do you go to this? And they're like, there's no, there's no movies. There's no concerts. This is the only game in town. It's the only entertainment, right? It's unclear. You said you went to a stoning. I went to a stoning. Yeah. Somebody was getting stoned. Too deaf. Yeah, by the Taliban. Who hasn't a dig-no-to-person was? I'm sorry to take you in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely do. Yeah, it was a guy who, he raped and killed a young woman. And he, he was guilty, for sure. And they, and they, and they, and they bought him out to the soccer stadium and they stoned him to death. And audience joins in. Audience participation. No, no, no, audience participation. This was a, this was a big soccer match. And it was like the mullahs did it. So yeah, wow. I've seen a few of them. And the point is, literally, when you talk to people about why they were there, they were like, it's the only entertainment. So like, like so seriously,

1:04:21no COVID, BLM is a shadow. Okay, because people have to be at work. You know what I mean? It's not to say that they're assholes. People need to, they need to pay their bills, right? But if there's no, but if there's no job anyway. So like, you free people up, you know, you be eye. This might be one of the reasons the authorities don't want you be eye is because they're worried things might get spicy in the streets. You know, they don't want to pay, they don't want us to have free time. They want us to be tied up. And you know, like to Robbie's point, they want us, you know, drunk and stoned and and and and sedated and busy all at the same time and just not fucking with their bank accounts. No, I trust. Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. So guys, just a reminder, if you're joining us, we still have another hour left to go on today's show. Deep program is here Monday through Friday 9 9 AM Eastern time on Wednesday on Mondays, Wednesdays

1:05:25and Fridays. We go all the way until 11 a.m. That's a brand new thing. The regular old schedule stays on Tuesdays and Thursdays to my show comes up those days. So all right. So this we are now entering the second hour, which means it's the free form Q and A part of the show. So anything that you want to talk about, feel free to do so. Let's knock off some a few more residual comments from the first hour. Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you, hiking at Jones Gabb, dinner at top soil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never returned from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma

1:06:26realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place. Everywhere else started to seem a little. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit GreenvilleSC.com. I think this is $352. I can't see it from you. I'm seeing $35, but I think we have different numbers. If we would have split, and then we'd have to 12, that number would have dropped to like 100. Yeah, you're right. You're totally right. Maybe one, lately it's been like $125, but yeah, you're right. But sailing in the Q&A at this point with over $350. No, no, and we appreciate you guys sticking around. Again, we will be here until for another 59 minutes. So thank you for that. All right. So a few more comments and we'll do hit some more comments, some more stories.

1:07:30FUSO, right on Ted, you sound like me, and everyone hates me too for it. Yeah, I'm kind of used to being hated for my opinions. Maybe Luke Funk, she says, capital isn't tied to geography. The money will move, but we can't, of course, we can't, of course, borders. Yeah, my ex-wife pointed that out back in the early 90s. We went to a seminar about NAFTA, which was a new thing, at UC Berkeley, and they explained it and we walked out and I was like, oh, how's it really complicated? And she goes, no, it's not. She's like, capital moves freely. It can go anywhere. Yeah, it can chase low wages anywhere it wants to go. And we are stuck. Even if we didn't have international borders, even if we had one world government, we'd still have ties of culture and family and language to where we were. We would never be mobile, but with borders, we're certainly not mobile. I mean, I can't say, I can't look at a spreadsheet of the world's highest salaries and say, okay, I'm going to go move to that country because they have the world's highest salaries and the best benefits.

1:08:31I can't become a citizen there. I can't move there. So she's right. McAdinn, did the BLM protests achieve anything? Thanks for the dollar. It's a good question. At first, they seemed to initially, like the city of Minneapolis, it said that they were going to defund the police and all that. And within, I'd say about a year and a half, all that shit was gone. I mean, things with protests, you need demands. I mean, and again, it goes back to the apathy argument thing. It's one thing if the public had a specific demand. This is what we want. BLM, their demands, weren't stuff that most black people wanted. And what I mean, like, because they became very political, as opposed to being very specific in trying to accomplish whatever the particular objective was. If you say, we wanted to fund the police, I would tell you, there are a lot of old people, there are a lot of black people who live in areas where they're like, you are out of your mind. What? What do we want? To treat us equally. The same way they treated that woman on the jury, that white woman, who killed all of her

1:09:36kids. Treat us like that. Treat us equally. That's what ultimately, what is wanted? Yeah, don't treat us like, don't treat us like enemy occupied territory. Yeah, exactly. Those are different things. Yeah, that shit to protect and to serve on the side of the police of the squad car. Do that. That'd be awesome. Do that for even from other people like you do that. Especially when a woman was a black woman, a police officer, a guy beat the shit out of the guy, an old guy. She went over to him and she says, look, you need to contact. I think she called them investigative services or something like that. Basically, it was like this guy, it's out of bounds. If I'm not mistaken, they prosecute the cops for doing it. That's like a few in front of between. It's the uniform. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, you've got to get your thoughts about the arch.

1:10:37I have mine. So Trump says that it's not going to just be a 250 foot triumphal arch full of guilt this and that next to the entrance to Arlington National Cemetery. But it's going to be a top-grade military complex with drones, snipers, and ammunition and all this. Okay, it's being speculated that this is partly to get congressional approval because if it's got the military in it, I mean, hell, I know. Can we have national health care, but it's going to have drones, ammunition, and snipers in it? That would work for me. Can we have a high-speed rail, but there's going to be drones and snipers in each train. So as it goes through the country, it can shoot like bad people. That'd be cool. Flamethrowers. Man, how does the public see this and not burn the White House down? They should. How? They would do January 6th over some made-up shit. Right. You know, all these angry

1:11:42stop the steal. All these angry people running to the White House fighting putting cops in the yard. But not on real stuff. No. Like on something like this was like, hey guys, you spent 10 trillion dollars. You're 40 trillion dollars. Well, tease that out. Tomorrow, please, because like, you know, when you say, okay, so the arch is not real stuff. I mean, look, I got to say personally, I think I know for a fact this is just trump trolling. Right. I mean, that's all it is. It's just bullshit. So, I mean, when you say, I mean, the reason I think people should burn down the, I mean, I kind of, you know, project my own thoughts on this. Well, why should Americans burn down the White House and respond to something like this? Because literally, our prices are going through the roof. Our wages are dropping through the floor. We're losing our jobs. We're miserable. The polls show it. We're broke. You don't care. You think it's funny. You're lining your obokas and you don't give a shit about us. And this is the kind of shit you're spending time and energy on. Every time I look at

1:12:43the president's Twitter feed, I'm always like, you don't care about us at all. All you care about is your own stupid shit that is stupid. I mean, that's why I would burn down the White House. But how about you? Yeah. You nailed it. I mean, it's that. I mean, like, when I see him walk out and he puts like these stupid A.I. cartoons, it will hit me be like, that was one in particular way. It was like the golf of America. And then he starts dancing in the cartoon. And I'm like, you are losing two wars. You've just spent like $40 billion on a war that you have fundamentally lost and have no way to get out of oil prices of more than the roof. What are you doing? And then the American public, I think to myself, how are you this this engage when this is what's going on? Like, meaning that $40 trillion, it seems that the American public just fundamentally missed what you could have spent that money on. And what did you get for the 40 trillion? And when you look at it and you find, oh, wait, we didn't get anything for the 40 trillion. That that should be infuri. That should be

1:13:48infuri. Thank you for much money. That is. No, I did a I did a A.I. search yesterday to the preparation for the show of all the shit that like, you know, $43 billion would pay for. I mean, you know, it's all you can imagine. I mean, literally, okay, for example, it would it would go along just that $43 billion would have gone a long way to catching up stuff on all the infrastructure maintenance that's been deferred maintenance that the, you know, architecture and very other societies have said we needed to do. We'd be pretty much in good shape. We would be like 90% okay, as opposed to being 20% okay, by the end of it. And you know, this and if you did this on a regular basis, like you did it every year, you know, you can, I mean, obviously you can fully fund head start, which has been gutted. You can you can send kids to you can send you can send you can send kids who are smart enough to get into good colleges. You can send them to those colleges so they can afford to go. You can, you know, put a big dent in you can expand Medicare for

1:14:51all maybe down to age 40, you know, there's lots of stuff you could do. And they just, you know, this is how they want to spend their money. Are my voice. And you can say, well, okay, well, who do you go for? Do you deal with that? And I would agree with you. Nobody. That's not a voting thing. That's a that's a breaking thing. Yeah, that's a burn it down. I mean, I think what saying is so popular, I think this is what Trump, I'll in a ironically, it was so popular. People were perfectly fine with breaking the system in the way that it worked. But totally, obviously Trump is not the guy who's gonna break it. He's just gonna at laser city alligators at the swamp. Right. Well, at least and I haven't seen any alligators, but I want those alligators and like the river just because it's gonna be awesome. I mean, he's such a little boy. I mean, he's having a great time. You know, it's like, it's like when you go see a band and you know, their eyes are twinkling and they're having a great time and they're jamming. You know, they're having a good time and that's nice if you're a fan. But like the thing is only Trump and his buddies

1:15:53are having a good time and we're not having a good time. And like that's that sucks. What's the second billion dollars? He's made like four billion dollars. Which is again, another reason when you think this of why don't they burn this shit down? But you see that and you think this of, okay, my life is getting harder and he is literally enriching himself off of the office. WTF. Yeah. I mean, and maybe it's an individual thing. Like the fact that people consider themselves individuals. So all of the choices are made individually and you don't speak to your neighbor. So you don't talk to your neighbor. You guys aren't necessarily, but maybe you have this kind of ethereal thing of being on the same page because 80% of the public disagree. So 60%. But what does that mean? In real human terms, every guy is to try to actually do something and know the one king rally nonsense is done. So if you did it every day and it was day after day kind of like the yellow vest movement in France. Yeah. It's like that is dangerous. So dumb. No kings thing. Oh my god. So yeah, BLM BLM when they burned down the police station, it wasn't even a police station.

1:16:57It was like a old police department records depository that used to be a police station. I was like, now things are happening. Like, okay, this is this is a move in the right direction. We're not quite there, but like, okay, I can get behind this now. Like, you know, um, so all right. So guys, just we're now in the Q&A section of the show. Um, okay, so let's talk about let's do a hit a few more comments. Um, Killway. Sonali is still bitching about y'all on her Facebook. FYI, what a flaming the C word she turned out to me. She's saying. By the way, you know, Kant is literally like the last word that still shocks. I think, um, you know, it's like the, you know, a fuck doesn't do it anymore. But that's like the last one where it's like, whoa, whoa, you know, seriously, using that one, Beverly Hills housewives. Um, one of my favorite people on the show, Doreet, my mom hates, my mom hates Doreet. She's like, she's a wrestler. We also have the love, love, love, love, love,

1:17:59love Doreet, right? And she called that girl a seer and everybody was like, oh, my god. Like, you're about to like, like, oh, my god, she's using this word like this. Um, yeah, it's, I don't know why it shocks so much, though, but yeah, it's, it's, it's, yeah, it's the reason that is the, you know, tsunami is just working it. That's all it is. It's like, it's, what do you think she's really bothered? I mean, let me put it this way. She got, she got the apology. That's it. You like, you don't get, you never had that thing with that person where they, I hate to say, where it's like, you know, you screw up and then, you know, you tell them, okay, I'm sorry, you're right. I shouldn't have done that. And they just won't let it go. And okay, at that point, they become the asshole because it's like, you know, what are you supposed to do? You can't go back in time, like Superman. I mean, what are you gonna do? Sorry? Just like a new apologize. I don't have to accept it. Like, that's true. You, um, true. You, uh, you, you hit a car. You've caused me 10,000

1:19:04dollars. And then you don't want to pay for it. Well, that's not an apology. That's not a real apology. A real apology is, uh, you know, hey, let me know where I should send the check. Yeah, but okay, I see you. I see you. You know, I mean, there's a more you could do. There's a monetary damage there. Like, so that's penance. That's like, uh, that's restitution. Like, you, you know, I bombed your country. Like, okay, well, I should pay to make it better and I should apologize. Yeah, but if you apologize for it, they don't think exactly apology. Oh, they don't. I mean, if you pay to make it better, it doesn't mean they're gonna feel so kind of way you murdered what your people. Why don't you be okay with it? No, they don't have to accept. Yeah, but if all you did was insult someone, then honestly, it's not that grievant. You know, you don't have to accept it, but that's on you. You know, I mean, it's your choice. It's certainly your right not to accept it. If they said something about a dead family member that you love the grief, I mean, I accept that. Look, I'll take you for me. I got into argument with somebody on the show.

1:20:06And she flamed out left on air. And I was like, what the fuck? And I stayed to talk to the audience, by the way. You can't dip out of your own show. You can't dip out. You can't. You got to stand in the political pressure. Right? Yeah, yeah. Because you think the audience any time there's a fight, there's usually a break with the audience. There's going to be some degree, some disagree. And they're going to be animated. And it's like, you can't dip out. You got to stand in the political pressure and take that shit. And I remember, she, and this was the show where I was like, I don't give a shit with my audience things. Like you're not going to use my audience to try to make your point. You make your point. I don't give a shit. I can't write you the argument is. And I remember she apologized a few days later. And I didn't talk to her for a year. So you didn't accept her apology for your apology?

1:21:08I did have to give her an apology for the apology. A year later, when I got back, I was like, look, I'm sorry. And because of a certain point, it felt like, okay, dude, you want to bury this, but it's been so long that now it's awkward to do. We have compound interest as a crude. And I was like, hey, I just want to apologize. Look, I'm sorry, it's a long. It was my show. I'm not sure it's like, I don't, I don't, I hear you. I hear you. F.E.C.O. Trump's art should be the McDonald Golden Archers have a drive-through window too. Well, at least it would be useful then. Um, democratic repayment, the Trump Epsil. Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at Jones Gap, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and our family never returned from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing

1:22:13adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little. Meh. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit GreenvilleSC.com. The Arch. Some like. Two names ago. Totally, totally. Uh, Frasil, Derupi, guys, the combination of that guest in addition to Robbie or people like me is toxic. Please invite Mark Frost instead. Okay. Sure. Well, but we can have it. We can have them on. Um, Jackson, Ted, why do you think there's been

1:23:16no Snowden type leaks on Epstein and also all videos of the IDF war crimes? Well, the videos of the IDF war crimes, you can just go. Yeah, I was going to say you can just like subscribe to any IDF soldiers feed on Facebook or or or X and they're all their bragging. And, uh, you know, I mean, they can't get enough of it. They're showing themselves looting, abusing Palestinians, usually blowing buildings, uh, wearing the local people's clothes. You know, I mean, making fun of Islam. Yeah, I mean, their war crimes are all there to be seen. We got a camera. Yeah. Good. Yeah. True. Um, so that's not a problem. I mean, why have there been no Epstein like leaks? I mean, sorry, no Snowden like leak. Well, first of all, the Snowden leaks, you know, poor Ed Snowden, he, you know, he tried to start a national or international conversation on, uh, you know, illegal domestic surveillance of American citizens, uh, by the NSA and other

1:24:17security agencies and failed, right? Like, you know, nobody cared. I mean, literally the God knows how much horse it's gotten. Nobody cared, right? So he tried, he gave us that chance and now he's, you know, I mean, he's stuck in Russia for his, for his trouble. Um, you know, it can't come home. Um, I mean, God, it's, I mean, it's shameful. Uh, that's an example, by the way of what I mean, about there's no difference between Democrats, Republicans, right? Like a Democrat, well, I mean, both Democratic and Republican presidents have led him to be stay stuck in Russia. If I were president, I, I wouldn't, I would give Snowden, you know, carte blanche, come back home, all it's forgiven, we will give you, uh, you know, a parade down, down, down Broadway, you know, you know, like, you know, and a star on Hollywood Boulevard while you're at it. Um, you know, it's, it's, it's ridiculous. Um, so, you know, why has there been, well, I mean, for the Epstein files, I mean, the documents,

1:25:18you know, Trump has the documents, right? I mean, the department of the, you know, Janine Piro has the documents. She's sitting on them and they've only released half of them again, to your point, Jamaril, the American people haven't agitated to get them. If there were riots in the streets and said, we want to see the other half of these, of these documents non-redacted, um, you know, they would do that. But there's no pressure at all. I mean, you don't need a leak because, I mean, the documents are already available. We know they exist. We just don't really know what's in them. And it's accepted that he did it, beginning it, like, meaning it's the government for fundamentally accepts that he was a rapist of kids. And then it's this kind of weird, strange phenomena of all of these politicians effectively defending pedophiles, which is very protest. Like, you think that that would be just outrageous? Like, because what we get in this country is, well, the polls show that 80% of the public is against Donald Trump, protecting a pedophile.

1:26:24Okay, but that's not really pressure. That's esoteric. Yeah, that's just an opinion. That's an opinion. Yeah. Yeah. It's just very strange. But you can have an opinion, right? But just like how much you care about that opinion. True. Right. Do you do anything about the fact that there's an opinion? It's the apathy again. Like, it's just, it's over the top. And all of these issues. It is, it is. And, um, oh, well, let's talk a little bit about Greenland and Denmark. Is okay if I repeat what your response was when I posted this. So, when the news broke over the weekend that Denmark had signed off on this US security agreement that Trump's been breaking about gives perpetual US control and veto power over basically the foreign policy of Greenland and that we'll be able to come and go as we please with our military and so on. I'm not sure what the details actually say. And once we get in, we, you know, get under the hood and see it might differ from what the president, how the president characterizes it, that wouldn't

1:27:27surprise me in the least. But that said, Greenland and Denmark have not denied what Trump had to say. And, you know, your first response was Cux. And I was like, yeah, I mean, after all that, right? Like, the Greenlanders and the Danes were literally, you know, mining the, the, the, the air strips in Nuke. They were prepared to fend off an American invasion. And this is how it all ends. I mean, what the fuck? I mean, why didn't the Danes just say, I mean, even if the Danes were willing to sign a security agreement with the US, why not just say, guys, we'll just, you know, we'll just wait till Trump is gone. We'll do it with the next president, whether it's a Democrat or it's Vance. But we, we, on principle, we can't give Trump this win after the way that he treated us. Trump should have asked to have sex with the prime before, but not primates.

1:28:30He shouldn't have went further. He didn't ask for enough. That's what I meant. I mean, if they're willing to give over like this, I mean, this is pathetic. I mean, the reality is because they might have given her over. Okay, after deliberation, we've allowed this, but these are acts that we're allowed. And, you know, this stuff is just not allowed. But like, it's insane. Like, they, Trump has no claim to Denmark. He has no claim to Greenland. He has no claim to any of this stuff. He is just asserting that's what I'm going to want. And I'm going to take it one way or the other. Meaning effectively threatening military force. They should have made them use military force. Yeah. If this, if it, if it, if it brings it, bring it, you're going to invade Greenland, do it, which is why I kept saying I want to see Trump do it. Because I don't believe he's going to do it. No, he's, of course not. Obviously not. He may, I mean, like, it's, like, it's Trump. Because the, the issue is, what is Greenland going to do about it? What is Denmark going to do about? Are they going to say this is an article five issue? Well, the US is already an article

1:29:30five. Meaning how are you going to repel the US from doing this if the US puts his mind to doing it? Well, that's a mention under article five. The US would be obligated to come to the defense of Greenland against us. Yes. Yeah. That's what my thing was like, okay, what are they going to do about it? I want to see that. That's it. Exciting. I was very punitive towards Europe. Because for my point of view, it's like you've watched him do this to Venezuela. You've watched him try to do this to Iran. And now you're all of a sudden up in arms now that he's doing it to you. So watch that care about you. I don't care about you in this case. I want to see Trump do it. Well, he was able to get them to effectively just hand it over. And to be fair, the Greenland, most of the stuff is already under the US auspices anyway, because they're part of NATO. Like the idea that in a NATO country, China and Russia was going to build basis. It's just nonsense. Like none of this, the stuff that he's trumpeting is stuff that was already there. The interesting part is the US gets veto over mineral rights. Meaning we get, according to Trump, and again, we have to read it,

1:30:34but according to Trump, anybody that wants to have any kind of development of the island of Greenland and the resources on that island has to get rid of permission from the United States before that takes place. If that's true, then they'd lost sovereignty. Correct. Right. They are our bitch. Yes. They are part of Denmark. They are part of Denmark is now part is effectively Americanized. And the US officials are all like Donald Trump Jr. I mean, I know he's not an official, but still he's the president's son was tweeting out pictures of Greenland with a picture of Alaska, the lower 48 states and Greenland covered with the American flag. And they said, and he's saying, now we have Canada surrounded LOL. Yep. I mean, you open yourselves up to that. Danes, you know, I'll be celebrating. I want them to celebrate Europe deserves it. I mean, like the I did like Europeans annoy the hell out of me. They have watched because the

1:31:40Europeans were supposed to be the ones that cared about in an national law that they're supposed to be the ones that were rational and more, you know, nonsense. The United States goes and attacks Iran. And what does Europe do? They complain about Iran. They just breaks and violates the JCPOA. And what does Europe do? They complain about Iran and the response that Iran gave. They say nothing about what the United States effectively did. The murder of all those fishermen, we just murdered a bunch of fishermen over the weekend. Right? Again, Europe has nothing to say. Capturing Maduro. Europe has nothing to say about it. And now Trump is like, hey, I've been able to steal this other stuff now. I want to steal Greenland. And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We should talk about this. Well, I have a question. I mean, say about this way. So the United States has bases in Italy, Germany, Romania, yes, Great Britain. But let's just, let's just run it up, call it half a million. We got eight bases on the world. I mean, well, what can you do? I mean, seriously, no, Denmark,

1:32:44sure, they can bark, but we protect them. Germany can bark. We protect them. Well, we don't protect them. No, we're not. No, we're not. We're not. We're not. We're not. We're not. It's really the protect from whom? Who's attacking them to protect them from other Europeans? I mean, you got to think about it. So the United States NATO presence, we talked about this before. It's, well, I mean, that, I mean, that was originally now as the big bad Russians, really those protect them from each other. The United States gives Europe a nice, comfortable security blanket. So they don't need to be militarized where they used to be. I don't know. This is a fat Tony situation. I don't think I don't think the, I think Romania is going to be justified. But the point, but the point, but the point, but the point that I'm trying to make, though, is why are they not doing anything? They're occupied. You mean, you have, yeah, I mean, they're a car. You're talking about the part of the United States. They're part of the quote, white world. From the US, Europe, Australia, Japan is, you know, wants to be in that club.

1:33:47It's like the 14% of the world that comes together and they lump together in regards to their choices. Look at it themselves. This is the white world and us engaging. Trump is breaking the rules because Trump is going after white territory. No, I, listen, I'm true. I guess that's very, right. Very white territory. Listen, I agree. But I don't think the level of melanin in your skin really plays into it. The fact is if you have half a million foreign troops on your soil, what can you do? The answer is exactly as you're told. Until the Europeans expelled the American military, they're going to continue to tugs every 100%. They should have made America do it. This is a hundred percent nonsense. It's like, look, Karney, what Karney got right was when Trump came to him and wanted to change the deal. Why do one truck want to change the deal? Because from his point of view, you are so weak and incompetent and you're so dependent on us, we can get you to do anything. If Trump said, I only have sex with my Karney and I wanted to be on TV. Well, Trump and his mind thinks, what can it have made give me that? It be who's Karney to say,

1:34:52f off, their limits to the relationships to which we have. They're having you not to make us look incompetent or for that matter, make us look like we're some kind of junior partner. You're apparently hasn't got that mess. Even if it's a good marriage, right? A husband or a wife has to say, has to say no to certain things. You know, so they don't want to bring the poor person into the bedroom. Right? No, no. Leave. Don't be looking at my cat that way. Don't look at my cat, mappery. Right? I know you're joining the fits, but don't look at me. Just Karney, I definitely was saying, Mart Karney wasn't worried about Donald Trump attacking Canada. Why is Greenland worried about Donald Trump attacking Greenland? I mean, they shouldn't have been. Nothing would have happened, and you know what, better to all die. I think, I mean, I used to have this conversation with my, you know, my father-in-law, who was a big Taiwan independence activist for the DPP. And he would say, like, why doesn't the US give Taiwan its independence? And I said,

1:35:55if Taiwanese want their independence from China, they should declare it. Oh, but then China would invade. They might, I don't think they would, but they might. Then China would just, would kill a bunch of Taiwanese people. That certainly would happen. And it's like, do you want your independence or not? That's the question. Are you willing to pay a price in blood and treasure to get it? And I was like, look at East Timor. They couldn't resist the Dutch. They were tiny. And the Dutch did slaughter them. By some accounts, by half their population, they slaughtered them. But the world saw that. And they were like, sorry, against Indonesia, right? And they were just like, we're just going to, you know, like, no, we're giving these people their independence. They've suffered a lot. They fought for it. They have heart. They deserve it. That's how this works. And the same thing with Greenland. It's like, come on. I mean, seriously, the way I look at Greenlanders is like, you guys literally survive in a place with polar bears against like terrible weather, right? The worst weather. Like,

1:37:00where you live is your enemy. Like the land is your enemy. The air is your enemy. The water is your enemy. And it's with climate change. It's all melting and changing and dangerous as shit. More dangerous than it's ever been. And you're afraid of like the orange idiot in Washington grow up. Like you take on bears. Like, it's ridiculous. They might sold them out. I think Denmark sold them out. Yeah, I don't agree. Greenlanders would have fought. They had talked about a contract that extends beyond independence. But I was like, okay, that's nonsense. They're like, these greenlanders are tough mother fuckers. I mean, well, the idea that is like, if Greenland declares independence. Like, let's say after this Greenland says, you know what, we're independent state. Yeah. Yeah, Denmark's not protecting us. Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at Jones gap, dinner at top soil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing.

1:38:01Emma and her family never return from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little. Meh. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit greenvillesc.com. Denmark's Apothecters, where are our own thing? They could say we want the US out, meaning we're with the military and everything else out. Now, the problem is that they've allowed themselves to now be militarized because apparently according to Donald Trump, they can just build whatever military installation on the island. Now, again, we have to see the contract in real terms

1:39:04because Donald Trump can make up anything. But if any of this is true, this is a loss of independence. What Superman took the missiles, the nuclear missiles, all for every planet, or every country on earth, and threw them into the sun. And when I saw that, I was like, every state as the Superman is just taken over the world. De facto, if your country, do we really believe that the US would be like, yeah, we totally want Superman to take our nukes and throw them into the sun? Hell no. Do you really believe that Russia, who Superman is an American icon, that Russia is like, yeah, we're totally okay with them taking our nukes and throw them into the sun? Nope. Superman didn't shoot on his own. That's true. He went rogue. He went rogue. Sovereignty of her cup and smoke. I'm saying the same thing is true here. If indeed you're getting a mineral rights and you're putting a bunch of military on the territory and the US can build whenever they want. You lost your sovereignty. And like I said at the beginning of this segment, we should have, I mean, if Greenland,

1:40:07if Denmark was predisposed to allowing the US to have such a deal, nevertheless, on principle, they should have not let Trump have the President who got it. Yeah. Okay, we have good questions. Do you think it's because they didn't want to pick a fight that they knew they were losing? For example, World War II, but they kept the can down the road and just said, like, oh, we need to negotiate slowly. It's walrus season. So we're busy right now. I agree with both of you about what they should have done. But I'm saying there's a reason why they didn't do it is because they realize they are America's bitch. Well, yes. Well, that's clearly what happened. Yeah, I think it's that. No question. Yeah. I think they've done everything in a powered in Africa fight with Trump, meaning Europe. And Denmark, Greenland being an extension is just kind of part of that conversation. Yeah, agree. Rob and Amanda Raquet has a question for you, tomorrow. I heard you and Sloboda had a falling out. I like both of you. So I hope you guys make up soon. He's been spot on many things regarding the war. It is not my fault.

1:41:13I was, let me put that first and foremost. Okay. And if Sloboda did that to anybody that was a host of an independent show, if they were independent show, they would have did the exact same thing that I did, which is effectively say, side off. Look, what it wore down to is Sloboda didn't necessarily like one of the guests that I had on the show. But suspected was because the guest was very critical about Russia in general. And he effectively didn't want me to bring the person back. And I think was, and I'll tell you exactly what I said, choices or guest choices of the show or the purview of the show. I have nothing to defend. It's there's nothing to talk about. Meaning I'm not going to have a conversation with you about the guests that I bring on my show as a night of business. And like you can't dictate who I bring on my show because it's my show. It would rely any level of independence. If you did that, it doesn't really matter. It would become Greenland. I would become Greenland. Yes. I would become Greenland. And my response to him was

1:42:18you were behaving out of bells. I think I even said, like the person who's acting in a normally here is you, that me. This is not a me thing. This is you thing. And he was very clear. And I said, I understand. Thank you for your frankness. And that was the end of it. Meaning I'm not going to have a conversation with you about my guests. It's money of business either. Your power is to say, I'm coming on the show or I'm not coming on the show. That's it. That's the extent of it. Which is what he employed. That's his business. I'm not going to hit him for it because it's nothing to hit for it. It's his choice. But I'm trying to make the point that that wasn't on me. I behaved the way I was supposed to behave as the host of a show. And maybe if I had a producer, they would have greased the wheels on that and try to make that work. But I'm not a producer host. And if you're putting it to me as you either do this or else, then the answer's going to be obviously more. Yeah. I mean, that's analogous to some of the Jackass's who suggested I should get rid of, we should get rid of Robbie. It's like, yeah, you're not, you know, like if, if you're not,

1:43:22you don't get a vote here. It's not a democracy. You know, it's like, yeah. No, like, love what did that. And it killed like, I hate it that he did that. Meaning I hate it. The position. He put you in that position. Yeah. Yeah. Don't put me in that position. I mean, the do some shit like that. And so it's like, I have no, there's, I have no recourse. There's, there's no, there's no great area in that. Yeah. The only possible solution would be for him to reach out to you and say, oh, I shouldn't have asked you for that. Yeah. Yeah. Which I would bring it back in a heartbeat because I love my today. Right. So, I keep in mind, this is a relationship that had been there over 60 years. And so, you know, it's like, you've never asked me that for one. I mean, he's made, he's made a point of saying he didn't like the person once before. But again, you don't get a vote. I'm just saying how you feel about it. Fair enough. But that can't under any circumstances dictate how I run the show. And if I have an inquiry, like in this case, I was inquiring about Syria.

1:44:23And it was a down, I know that Aronik twisted a story that I'm not going to get into. But it's like, okay, well, what is the Russian point of view of this? What is the person with the serious point of view of this? Okay, what is another serious point of view of this? These are just different points of view on an exact same issue because I'm trying to understand the issue. Right. That, I'm sorry, I appreciate you don't like her. No, I had that question when I came, I had my older radio show in LA. I had David Duke on and people were my, and you know, obviously, as you can imagine, many of my listeners were lefties. And they were appalled. And they were like, how do you? And it's like, well, you know, it's, I, you know, is David Duke a fucking interesting person to talk to? Is he, is it compelling radio? Did I challenge him? Was it, I mean, was it worth listening to? Was it enlightening? Then it was good radio and it was worth having him on. So how dared, you know, why you do you like farm him? It's a really big guest that's on the show says, hey, if you bring David back on, I'm not coming back on the show. Yeah, well, I'd be like, I'd be

1:45:27like, well, sorry, bye. Yeah, there's no other way. Like it doesn't leave you any out. There's no, yeah, you can't say even if you personally regretted having David Duke on and you, and you're dying to have this person, you still have to say no, you still, you have to. I mean, Mark is a damn good guest. And Mark has been more right. He's excellent. Yeah. On this stuff, then probably any other, well, than most people, I would say. And especially than some of the other big names that are cheerleaders, he is really good at that. So yeah, it was a big loss. I mean, it personally and from standpoint of the show, I mean, to be honest, weirdly enough, not from standpoint of the show, my views have gone up to like, here, I'm averaging $10,000 after Mark. But that's kind of a disaster point. Mark was a really good guest. And Mark was really good at what he was effectively doing. So yeah, he's a loss. But it's like, you can't put people in corner like that, especially in this particular business. Because otherwise, you're not an independent show. You're a show where a Russian guest is influencing the content of the show because the Russian guest doesn't like

1:46:31somebody saying something bad about Russia. It's like, okay, dude. Yeah, just can't. So guys, just I think Robbie has pinned a link in if you want to call verbally into the show. So just a reminder of that. We have another 22 minutes left where just reminding everyone this, the new schedule is Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 9 to 11 Eastern, Tuesdays and Thursdays, just like before 9 to 10 Eastern. Okay. So yeah, the steak was not only in stadium. Oh, that's so funny. Man, child. Okay, I got to call out that banner. On YouTube, the membership tiers are 699, 1299 and 2499. Okay. So thank you, man, child, for pointing that out. Trent, we will, Robbie has asked Trent. What is that going on? I don't understand. That seems to be a mistake. I think Trent will fix it.

1:47:32Yeah, as far as unknown prices for YouTube memberships should not have gone up. Well, they reached out one went up, one went down. I mean, what? Yeah, I have no idea. No, they're not. This is not correct. So the correct ones are what we said, 499, 999 and 1999. So yep. And while I'm here, just real quick, thank you. A lot of people have been going over to the old YouTube channel and just letting stuff run stuff. I really appreciate it. A bunch of Jill that have become paid members. I truly think y'all because I could not keep working for JTN Ted without y'all's support. Again, just a reminder, please go to YouTube and run West Glacier Gaming as long as you can. Overnight is always good. Choose a long running playlist. Okay, so yeah, so we think for the macadam, thanks for the dollar. We got to talk about, we got to talk about

1:48:32the White House thing. Whenever the media gets banned from the White House, they freak out. They're like, and it's happened before. It will happen again. This time, Trump kicked out CNN, MSNOW, and Politico from among the gang who get to go into the White House and yell questions or politely hold up their hands and get questioned by the president. My reaction to this tomorrow was, okay, Trump's an asshole stipulated. And also, there should be no good. Like, there should be nobody should be reporting from the White House. Like, it's totally worthless as far as the standpoint of consumer people who watch CNN. That money would be so much better allocated to an additional war correspondent in Gaza or in Kabul or something like, well, there's no war in Kabul. But like, for some war correspondents, he's some actual reporting, do an undercover investigation,

1:49:35do some real reporting. I mean, these are White House stenographers. All they do is go and line up and ask and receive canned answers from the White House press secretary. It's a waste. There should be no such thing as a White House correspondent. I've never once heard of a major news story being broken by a White House correspondent. Like, oh, thank God, I was at that press conference, and I got that question that answered that became a major news story. Like, that never will happen. I don't know what they do, to be honest. I mean, like, there's nothing Donald Trump doesn't answer questions in any way that makes me sense. And usually it's just him doing stand up, where it's like the press comes in and Trump is free-forming. And even when he asked him like a hard question, eventually they would just move on to something else when Donald Trump just refuses to answer the question or derives the reporter that asks him the question. It's, I don't know if it

1:50:37has any value anymore. At one point, maybe in the old days, where presidents used to actually answer the questions that were asked of them, even if they didn't necessarily like the question, they still had, yeah, that's what it is. It's a degradation of the office all the way through. And what I mean by that is we have the forms of these things without having to continent those forms. This one's like a copy of a copy. At a certain point, it loses it loses the legitimacy that it started off with. Because the faculty in and of itself makes sense, right? You have a president, schoolboy philosophy of things, the president is doing stuff. Met stuff is important in regards to foreign policy and domestic policy. And people want to know what the president is doing. And so the press comes and acts to president's questions. Again, all of this makes sense in a schoolboy philosophy way. Sure. The way that's supposed to work. But then when you get the president who's just free-forming, and it's like, oh, your paper is trash, your paper is trash. It's like you guys are, it's just all fake news. And then it's like, fucks news, Peter

1:51:39and Peter do so. Like, this is president. You have a really nice tie you got on. Where did you get that tie? Oh, I'm glad you like the color of my tie. This is a Trump tie. Yeah, this is a Trump tie. You can buy these for $5.99 on one thing. Next person. That is pointless. That is pointless endeavor. The form makes sense. The content is like candy, sugar. So I don't know. All of the reporters should have walked out after that. All of them should have said, we're not allowed. And then we're not going to participate. Either you just have a bunch of podcasters and to do press. Even the podcaster should have walked out. Yeah, agree. They should have been solidarity. I mean, mine. They should have did that when they shut down our team's movement. True. Yeah. That would be the whole that level of solidarity or sexless scene in, in S&C. We're going to keep moving. Do you all think we actually have a real media in this country? I don't. I think they're podcasting. I think the podcast is really all that you've got. But as far as

1:52:47corporate media is dead, it's a rotted animated corpse just shambling down the street moaning. It has pus running out of space. It's a relic of a bag on era. There's no water content anymore. Yeah, there's not water content. Well, because it's not adversarial, right? I mean, that's and so yeah, I'm with I'm with Robbie. I mean, there's if it's not adversarial, it's fucking worthless. And it doesn't mean that you have to attack the, you know, the president or, you know, a local official gratuitously for no reason whatsoever. But you know, when there's bullshit, which there always is, because it's human beings and it's politics, you've got to call it out. I mean, and if you think about the old days of say, you know, Richard Dixon, first of all, you know, presidents used to give a lot more press pressers, right? Like Richard Nixon, he was in there like, you know, twice a week. And he was mixing it up with them. And they would, you know, they're like asking him about watergate. And if you didn't want to answer the question, then,

1:53:48you know, the thing is they had solidarity in that the net. If a question got ignored, the next person would set aside whatever question they had in mind. And they would ask the same question to try to force the president to answer it or the press secretary, right? As if memory serves, Nixon's press secretary was Ron Zeagler. And at one point to Zeagler even became a verb in the American dictionary, which meant to basically to disemble and not answer a question directly. And, and you know, it was a lot better than it is now. I mean, I don't really know what these guys do. I assume they have an office in the White House, these reporters and with little cubicles. And if a White House official wanted to, they could meet with the reporter and either leak information or give it to them officially, they could release stuff. But, you know, they could do that by phone or by email or by text message, right? I mean, that's probably how most of this

1:54:49happens anyway. I mean, if you were a White House, let's say your Pete Heichseth and you're like, you know, I want to come out as gay, you know, like you're not going to waddle down to the press room at the White House. You're going to, you're going to like meet at, you're, you know, at a good gay bar in Georgetown. And you're going to meet your reporter and you're going to leak that information there, right? I mean, you know, you're going to do it on the DL. So I don't see why, you know, I don't I don't even, there's no purpose to this. I mean, it, and you can, and it really becomes so clear when they have the White House correspondent dinner, right, which is sponsored by the association of reporters who do this job. I mean, it's, it is a bygone era. It's like, and the, I remember sitting at a press conference in Afghanistan with a bunch of other reporters looking around and they were we were at all, you know, they were all asking questions from some local warlord, Abdullah Abdullah. And, and literally it was like, I remember think I just got ready to leave in one of the reporters

1:55:52like, where are you going? I was like, anywhere else. I'm like, this is the only place in Afghanistan where there's no news going on. Like we, like, I can go down to the bizarre and find, and find news. There's literally nothing going on here. Um, yeah. And that's what it's like now. I mean, a press conference is a news free zone. Well, I don't know anything that they've ever broken in one of these press conferences, especially in this administration anytime soon. I mean, it's previous ones. Give you, like you don't get anything. Like, I'm like, I said, understand, I understand the form. It's the content that is lacking. I don't see the purpose. It's not like the president is saying anything, anything that like Donald Trump writes everything on social media. And he looks like he just uses it as showtime at the Apollo. It's just free format, the answer. And it would be like, hey, except like, hey, Pete blah, blah, blah. And, hey, except make this some kind of weird commentary. And go to Rubio and that all of them saying how great the president is at times, they were like, well, the president has led us to a dominated victory in Iran. We're going to illustrate

1:56:56straight of America. We're going to drink vodka in Iran. And he's like, oh, that's thanks, Pete. And they go to Rubio and Rubio's like, well, we're getting a dominating victory in Ukraine. We're going to bring it to a close pretty soon. And we're going to kick those cubes in the face. Like, all of them tells them how great the president is and how great a job he's doing. And they basically are, like it's, it's pointless. It is completely, they have a lot of waste of time. I mean, no question about, I mean, last week, you came on DMZ America with Scott. And we were talking, and you know, we, the topic was, can it will, you know, has Trump changed America forever? This is an example of which, in which Trump has changed the presidency forever. I mean, whoever the next president is, it's not like we're going back to, oh, you're meeting, you know, once you're meeting, you know, you're meeting the press every day, the way JFK used to. And you're really, you know, trying to be honest and you're shooting the shit and you're going, and there's a red part day and you're, and you're trying to reveal what's really going on and you're being transparent. That shit is done. I mean, yeah, this, this whole

1:57:59ritual should go away. It's like the state of the union address. It is totally fucking worthless. I mean, it's, it's a waste of fucking time. I mean, I do think there should be a constitutional mandate for the president to sit down with the media frequently and answer harsh questions. But, you know, there isn't. So until there is, what is the point of this? The only way that works is if it also you mandate for the president to be honest. Yeah. And yeah, and the president can't lie to the public. The president has to be truthful with, when he's, make me think that true serum in the polygraph. Yeah. Yeah. Also, it's something, but I don't even know how that works. Right. Because it's like, how does the president, there are times when the president needs to be able to lie? Well, also determine what's a harsh question. What does that even mean? Right. What's a harsh, what's a harsh question to me? It may not be a harsh question to the one. True. True. And so the hard question might just be one that embarrasses the president. Hey, like the guy that acts the other day, but corruption, he was like, how on earth can you claim

1:59:01that you're trying to clean up corruption when the president is as corrupt as he is? Okay. And the question was like, well, that's a, you know, that's a loaded question. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's a very straightforward question. It's a very straightforward question. You don't like it. Does it consider it harsh? Probably. Is it true? Yes. Yeah. It's like a Zionist call everything blood libel. Yeah. Oh, I don't like your design if it's really flagged. That's blood libel. Yeah. It's like, U.S. I don't believe that the U.S. should be compensating Israel and going to kill people. That's blood libel. I can't believe you're thinking that. I can't even know what blood libel is. So Ben Moser. That's the eating baby thing, right? Pardon? That's the eating baby thing, right? Yeah, it's the eating baby thing in the middle ages. Yeah. Yeah. So Ben Moser is going to be on tomorrow. Yes. That's going to be cool. Anti-author of anti-signism, a Jewish history. Highly recommend the book. So, okay, let's see what other questions we have here.

2:00:01Okay. Roguebot MD. AI and data centers cost over a trillion dollars at this point. And the White House is betting the economy on AI. But Trump is only using AI to make memes. There's something wrong with that. That's pretty funny. Did you see them try to blame the AI and the data center on the murdering of all those kids? No. They basically, so Bloomberg came out with an article that pointed out that it was that the United States is overvalued on AI, if I'm not mistaken, the health care specifically. And old data was part of the reason, in fact, I think I even have the article. Old data definitely was part of the reason that that happened. Oh, I mean, but let's be honest. The United States, the number of cities we used to kill in the drone strikes and everything else was monstrous. It was like 80, 90 percent civilians. So, killing civilians is not necessarily a new thing.

2:01:03No. Also, one of the things they did was get rid of the faculty that was checking to see whether or not there will be civilians in a particular area. And they said quite clearly, we knew pretty clearly and pretty early on that this was a school. This is not a military. Also, doesn't Israel have shits of Assad spies in Iran? It's like a major problem for the Iranian. John used to talk about it all the time. And like, can they have sent someone over there to do a drive-by and just check out what they brought care about civilians? Right. No, they don't. Israel's own systems didn't care about civilians. When they were taken down in the Department of Complex to get one guy. And they were basically made sure that the systems really cared less about civilians. Like the who's daddy thing. Those killing people when they came back home. They didn't care. So, I don't think Israel, I mean, they're not going to tell us. And anyway, particularly the way that we cared. But my point is, they could have. I think it's not since. We cut down our, the bureau or whatever that entity was that tried to get-

2:02:05Just the map agency. Yes. They dropped it by like 90 something percent. So, even like, we, even if people want to make the argument, what did the- It's a doge thing. Is that the name of it? Yeah, it's a doge thing. You know, when they, when they, when the, when Elon Musk fired a bunch of people who turned out that we needed. Yeah, but see, I think they gutted that because they wanted to gut it. Not because it was though. I think they gutted it because they didn't care about civilians. Meaning, when you get rid of it, agency like that, you're saying, this is- Oh, yeah, the civilian. I mean, what was that called? Something like the civilian casualty mitigation board or something like that? Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hexan got rid of it. Yeah. Yeah, because I'm a war fighter. I mean, I have to point to Stasram, it's a Stasram field war fighters. It's a totally straight, okay, at all. Yeah, totally straight war fighter. Yeah, who loves, you know, his war fighters to have shaved legs, manicured hands. No way on their chest.

2:03:05Very pretty. Very pretty. If you get rid of an organization like that, you're making a very clear announcement that we don't care about civilians. We don't care. No, that's literally it. Yeah. And then so the mass agency basically claimed that, yeah, I mean, basically their claim was that they used 15-year-old data, right? I mean, look, 15 years is a long fucking time. And like a lot of things happen on the ground in 15 years. I have to admit, if they had said like, oh, little did we know that, you know, Iran put a school there and they took three, they built it over the summer and it took three months for them to build. And we used information. I might be able to say, okay, that's a tragic accident. But when you use, if by your own account, and I know this has been, this reporting has been, I think, has been kind of surpassed by changing events, right? Where now it's kind of like being told, it was probably intentional and then probably the,

2:04:06it's nonsense that it was old data. But your excuses, you used 15-year-old data, well, that's on you. That's negligence. That's like, that's your fault, you know, like by your own account, you didn't care if you killed innocent civilians. Did I say something? They risk hearing about killing civilians. We dropped two nuclear bombs. We fired bomb Tokyo. We fired bomb Jresden. We fired bomb, no, Nuremberg. We genocide the planes Indians, the Sand Creek and the Wichita. I mean, this is not new to the American way of war. Right. So, can we just pretend like that that we are not the most moral, most outstanding army that you're, that's got to be an idea. That's the idea. I've everyone knows that. I know. It's very much the rough. In the way the media talks about it, the media is always going to talk about it as we're the most moral military. While what, like, this goes back to the Hassan Piger being, right? There's like, oh my god, I can't believe how Hassan Piger said that. Why can't you believe how Hassan Piger said that?

2:05:07Right. But the media the way they talk about, even, even for like MSNBC, they would go after Trump, but they would preserve institutions. So, like, the Trump is using the military for this. Trump is doing this. It's kind of like an any other thing. It's like, well, it's not going to, we're not going to indict the state. We're going to indict one man in order to kind of be a senator for the state. They're doing this with Trump. And the media does this all the time when it talks about these issues. So, they would never point out, hey, we bomb plenty of ways. We bomb plenty of ways. Now, they want to make it like this mistake. Right here, Pentagon investigators have discovered the flawed intelligence, outdated imagery, and overruns on AI contributed to a missile strike, but killed one into 23 children in Manab, Iran. Yep. Stake my ass. I mean, the American people, by a large amount of a problem with a woman struggling with her kids. So, why would you, why would they have a problem with the military bombing of school? She didn't drown them. I thought she strangled them. Yeah, so she had members, but she strangled them.

2:06:10Yeah, she didn't drown them. But the point is, I mean, by the way, the husband was on 60 minutes last night. Yeah. And said she was guilty, sin. Is that what he said? I didn't see it. My mom hit me up, hit me up, hit me up, and she was like, hey, the husband was on. The husband said she did it. Well, we know she did it. The question is, No, no, like that she's guilty. That she didn't approve. If I remember, if my mom, memory is correct, because I didn't see it. So, remember to let someone else. All right, we'll have to look at that for the research. But if the husband said she's guilty, would you change a point of view on this? It would be influential. I mean, I think he was there. It's his point. I think he knows more about it than anyone else, except for her. So, you know, I would definitely listen to what he had to say with great interest. Yeah. All right, guys. So, tomorrow morning, 9 a.m. Eastern time, we will have joining us,

2:07:13special guest Ben Moser, author of anti-Zionism, a Jewish history. I think the title is very self-explanatory. But I think it's going to be an interesting interview. Certainly, I've been reading the book for the last week. I have found it super eye-opening. And man, these Zionists, man, they're out of control. I mean, and their biggest victims are Jews, which is the most crazy thing about it. I mean, Lord knows they've killed enough Muslims too, and other people. But Jesus Christ. Okay, so we'll get into all that tomorrow. Thanks everyone for joining us in just a reminder, the new hours, our Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 9 to 11 Tuesday, Thursday, 9 to 10. TMI is Tuesday, Thursday, 10 to 11. So that's all that. Sorry to for the confusion. No Q&A shows anymore. No separate standalone ones. So that's it for today. We're signing off and have a great day.

2:08:14And bye.