Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 10) (4/3/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up where he left off with the unnamed captain from the MCC and his interview with the OIG investigators. Question? Okay, can we go to the shoe count slips themselves and that should be the last like page or two? Answer, see, yep. Those are the inmates that went to the attorney visiting, so those three would have been on the count slip. Now you said where? Question? The very last page, it's like the actual slip. Answer by the captain. These? Question? Yep. So these are the slips that the actual shoe for the ones that are in the shoe. Can you just put an initial buy it or circle it or whatever? Which one it is that would have been conducted at the shoe? Answer? Okay. I think it's Zulu. Zulu Bravo, Zulu Alpha. Question?

1:00So ZA and ZB are the two shoes? Answer, yes. Question? Are there any more than that? Answer? You have, so that you've got food service, GS, indesernable, attorney visit, that's Kilo, India, that's court, Kilo, Zulu, yeah, so Zulu Alpha would have been that, and then that would have been 10 South. Question? All right. Answer? Charlie Alpha? Charlie Alpha? Question? But no, just specific to the shoe. Like where? Not, I don't know if 10 South is considered shoe, but I'm just talking specifics to like where Epstein was in the shoe. Like who, you know, the, I'm assuming the 72 73 count. Answer? Yeah, right here. That would have been the Zulu Bravo and Zulu Alpha. Question? All right. Great. Who all are on those slips? Answer? It says redacted and Tov'n'Auel and redacted.

2:02Question? Okay. Answer? And that would have been for the four o'clock. Question? All right. Answer? For redacted and Tov'n'Auel for the four o'clock count. Question? Okay. And now, what is the difference between the ZB and the ZA? Answer? I believe the ZA is total shoe. And okay. Answer? And then, then you had the inmates that were up on 10 South. Question? Okay. So the ZB is that 10 South then? Answer? Yes. Question? So we're focused on ZA. Answer? Yes. Question? All right. So ZA. And that one was signed by who? Answer? It looks like Noelle and redacted and redacted. Question? Now, if that count wasn't actually conducted, are they the only two that are responsible for falsifying that? Or would other people, he gets cut off by the captain? This would be the whole unit. The OIC, everybody that was in the unit. Question?

3:02Okay. Answer? Because that means on evening watch, I believe you have one, two, three, four staff. And they all have a different range that they have a responsibility of. Question? Okay. Answer? You know what I'm saying? So they feed us. They feed the ranges. Monitor the ranges by doing the 30-minute rounds, so the OIC has the key. So those other three staff, the number two, the three, and the four, I believe, they're supposed to do rounds, feed, do issue cosmetics, do whatever they need to, as far as the normal operations inside the unit. So if nobody counted, that means who count, who helps assist, in counting in 10 South. For the five guys, question, right. Answer? Because I believe the lieutenant is supposed to come up. Normally the activities will go up, I believe, and do the count in Zulu Bravo. So that means that one of the lieutenants would be up in the unit when the count was going on. Question? So in this case, a lieutenant should have actually been present.

4:04Answer? Yes. Question? Which lieutenant on that date? Would that have been? Answer? So that would have been? That would have been probably redacted, took the count, and then redacted, or misredacted, would have been in 10 South, doing the count in 10 South, I believe, if I could remember, it's been a while. Because it's only per, there's only one staff member inside of 10 South. Question? So redacted should have been present for the count at 4 p.m. Answer? So I'm looking, and you have 10 South, number 1 was redacted, and then you had 10 South, number 2 was g redacted. So g redacted probably was up there doing property. Question? Now is this the only for the four, or should there have been a lieutenant, as well as in the 10 p.m., 12 p.m., or 12 a.m., 3 a.m., and 5 a.m.?

5:05Answer? So redacted. Question? So who was redacted? Redacted is one of the officers. Question? What's the first name on that? Answer? Redacted. And then I'm looking here, so 10 South, number 2 is redacted, which is the property officer. So during that time, I was hiring redacted to go up here and get the property situated on the evening watch. Question? So is redacted even working in the shoe at that point? I think he would have had the first. He gets cut off by the captain, because you know that, because that would have been redacted. Let me look at the day, because I don't think he would work that, because it said redacted is the number 1. Question? And that's where I'm confused. By looking at some of these counts, why would they even have? He gets cut off by the captain. Redacted was on overtime. So redacted was day watch, so that means redacted probably came in late. Question? Okay. Answer? So redacted probably did the count, because redacted didn't get there.

6:06And now he was notorious for that. Question? Okay. Answer? Redacted is a good guy, but he had some health problems, and maybe he didn't get there on time. So redacted went on ahead, and since the count started at 4, he probably went ahead and did the count. Question? Alright, and are you able to tell on that? Does this have a time for when the count was supposedly conducted? Answer? It's all of them going to reflect 4. Question just 4. Answer 4. It's not going to say 405, 404, the count is 4 p.m. Question? Okay, so in this case, though the one for the overall shoe that would have been, you said, is that a indesernable, or are you just telling that's 4.10 self? Answer? Overall shoe? Would have been Zulu Alpha. Question? Yeah. And who was on that? Where um, he gets cut off by the captain, Noel and redacted.

7:08Questions so redacted, redacted, and Noel would have been the ones that did the overall, but what you're saying is everyone, if the overall count was not conducted, everyone was responsible? Answer yes. Question? For falsifying that? Answer? Yup. Question because everyone would have known. Answer? They would have known. Question? That it was conducted? Answer? That it wasn't conducted? Question now. Is there any kind of like, hey, we fed them? That's how we did our count? Answer? No. Count because I put this guidance out, the difference between doing rounds and accurate rounds, you know, we talked about the time frame. That goes between the 30 minute rounds. So like, let's say it's 11 o'clock, you should do around somewhere between 11 and 11 30. You understand? Question? Yup. Answer? If it's done at 11.29, that's fine. But you should be doing it within that 30 minutes because it has to be irregular. So you can't put on there and said, I did rounds at 11, 11, 30.

8:13Question 12, answer 12, 12, 30. You know, you can't do it like that. So let's say, you know, you're feeding up there, you're up here feeding, but the round is going to be because you're not monitoring, you're doing a service. Just because you're on the range, that means you did around. Round is physically stopping what you're doing. So if I'm feeding during the time I'm supposed to, I'm supposed to do around, secure the slot, I go to the beginning of the range, 1, 2, 5, 7, 9, 11, whatever, whatever, whatever document the time I did the round, then go back to feeding. It's not while I'm up there, okay, I'll feed the range. It took me seven minutes, 7.9 seconds to feed around. And so that's telling me that you did a regular round for an hour, one hour, because you was up there for 45 minutes. Did you do around? Question right, answer, did you, can I physically watch you go from cell to cell? That's around.

9:14Question, but what about so can a round, can't be account, but can account be around? Answer no. Question, so every 30 minutes, if you're doing account at 4, you also have to do around at 4. Answer, yep, question, okay, answer, because if I go up there at 4, if I go, let's say I start at 4, at 4, what's going to be that round? You understand what I'm saying? Because count, I'm taking accountability of the units. So if it takes probably two or three minutes to count, that would be 403, and I count in that range. I go to the next range, I'm done at 409, 416, 420, 427, guess what? In 30 to 5, I got to go and do another round. In between that time frame, not to exceed 40 minutes, that's the policy. Question, okay, do you know anything about the shoe, not conducting rounds? Answer, do I know of the shoe, not conducting rounds? Question, if the personnel in the shoe, do you know anything about that?

10:15Answer, do I know the shoe not conducting rounds? Question, if the personnel in the shoe, do you know anything about that of them? Answer. never known that those staff were not because, again, that's not my purview. Question sure, answered to sit down and monitor the rounds. Question, I just mean like had anybody told, cut some off, answer, no. I would have never known, until after the Epstein thing, we had to monitor the camera footage of what the shoe staff did and I was appalled to what they were doing on those off-hours. And so now, after the fact, are you aware of any of these counts were conducted or not conducted? Answer, I was not made aware that no count was conducted because I do not monitor camera footage of the staff, so I wouldn't know. Question no, I'm saying after the fact so now. Answer, now I know, and I was, and again, when I had to monitor the footage per the new

11:16directive that was put out for central office, and the captain would have to monitor X amount of hours of shoe footage per week. Even after we had the situation with Epstein, staff still wasn't doing it right. Question, but in what I'm asking is in those instances, do you know if the four, the ten, the five, on these August 9th and August 10th? He gets cut off by the captain, I would have thought they would have been done. Question, but do you now, do you know if they were or weren't? Captain answers, I was told that they were not conducted. Question, 4pm as well? Answer, I was told that the officers that were assigned to the morning watch shift did not do the rounds from the time they walked into the unit until the time they found in made Epstein deceased in a cell. Question, that I think, what you're referring to, is on August 10th. I'm saying August 9th. Answer August 9th, I would have not have known that.

12:19And no, no, now I'm talking about. Answer now, I'm aware of it, because if the inmate didn't come back from court, how did you clear court? Question, and did you know that prior to this conversation though, have you ever, he gets cut off by the captain? No. Question, so what I'm saying is you didn't have or never heard up until this date that it's possible that the 4pm and the 10pm were not conducted. Answer, that is correct. Question, all right, and no one ever brought this to your attention? Answer, that is correct. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.