How You Like Them Apple Products? - DTNS Live 5117

0:00Wu Teng Clan, the final chamber, comes back home and on core, kill a beast, swarming on new locations, with special guests, bone thugs and harmony, get tickets this Friday at the Wu Teng Clan.com. If your eyes are the windows to your soul and your glasses are the windows to your eyes, then it's pretty important to find your perfect frames. That's why at Warby Parker, we've made shopping for eyewear as easy and fun as can be. Peru's endless styles in our stores, or use our app to virtually try on frames and get personalized recommendations. To find your next favorite pair of glasses, sunglasses, or contact lenses, or to locate your nearest Warby Parker store, head over to WarbyParker.com. That's WarbyParker.com. They're just empty. Maybe it's like a tax ride offer or something. Yeah, I think there's some tax things going on for sure. Yeah, I wouldn't know at all how rich. Oh, Jay Internet.

1:01Hi, Internet. Yeah, what's up? Some of you are rich. Let us know what it's like. Yeah, even if your name is rich, let us know how you live. Some of your name is rich. Let us know what it's like. We should get all the riches together and just start a week, like one of the Saturdays. So do you call Rich Truffalino right now? Yeah. And just be like, what's it like? We were just talking about Atlanta, Larry and Atlanta. Yeah. We've had a, hey, hey, back, uh, Philly Code Hound. We were just, you know, Atlanta is always in the news for something, but I don't know if you guys heard about Magic City night. I know about Magic City on a Monday. Yes. So Atlanta is playing the Orlando Magic on Monday, March 16th. So Atlanta is having Magic City night. They got a new hoodie, super cute.

2:02I pre-ordered one because I needed it. But there was a player, I think from the Spurs, who wrote a blog post, condemning the hawks for having Magic City night because it's so demeaning to women. And the thing that people, I don't think especially outside of it, I don't realize Magic City, the strip club, is not just a strip club. It's like a cultural institution. They have the best swings in Atlanta, actually. And it's not far from the stadium. And it's been a lot of discourse on social media about, you know, they should cancel it. It doesn't look good. And it's just like, people here is like, this is like the best thing ever. But it's not an official thing or it is an official. It's an official, it's an official, yeah, it's an official thing. It's an NBA event, yeah. So basically, what is going to trip people are thinking? It's also very well known, you know, it's, you would almost go there as a tourist just to do it.

3:09Yeah. And most of the teams that win go there or people when they visit, especially other teams that are playing, they kind of make it a point to go. Again, because I have a really good wings to have, it's called Magic City Kitchen now, because the food was so good. You can actually just go, which is, which is weird, because like, you normally don't expect any food at one of those places. Not true, not true, Roger. Um, wait, you have the gold club in San Francisco. People used to go there for lunch all the time. I never, I've been there. The food, but it was like, oh, you're not saying they don't have food. You're saying that it's not known for its food being good. Yeah, nice. It's not, it's not like they have beer, but it's not known for their like, you know, wide selection of on-tack brew. Get the wings, get the catfish nuggets. I mean, catfish nuggets. They're not even fillets. They just shrunk them down the nugget.

4:09Have you never had a catfish nugget? You're missing out. You're not from the South. Don't disparage what you do not know. This is a little bit more. You're missing out. That's good to me. Oh, please, please, please, please, please, educate, come on out to Atlanta. We'll come on down and we can go. I've had, so I've had good magic city on them. Yeah, let's, let's all go. Let's all go. We'll write it off. Rob is your camera frozen or you're just waiting for this conversation. Rob is just like, I just not doing this. He's like, I am not participating in the debauchery. But no, all of it to say is T.I. is going to perform. They're going to be like, giveaways. It's going to be wings. It's not what people, I guess, are assuming. And the Orlando Magic are playing, too, right? Just for a little trip. Right. That's what they're doing it because they're playing the Orlando Magic on that night. When they dropped the image for the hoodie, I was on it. And people that I know, they were like, oh my god,

5:10did you see it? Did you see it? Did you see it? And then I went to buy it. And then it was like, you can only pre-order it. And then we're not going to release it until this certain day. You can only get it from the official hawk store on the stadium. But of course, because it got so much height, they went ahead and opened it up. And I know several people, they were like, did you get yours? Did you get yours? Did you get yours? I'm like, yep, got it. So yeah. Fun time. That was fun. I like a spectacle like that. Yeah. And I mean, this is where you're like, we're all in the together. Yeah. We are the city of a city of spectacles. We like to do things. I have to say. I mean, honestly, in this day and age, I just want to town that offers me affordable food in the morning. Well, you're living in the wrong place, Roger. I mean, you live in the wrong city for that. Even, even, no, I mean, no, it's actually not. Well, wait, no, you're not in your normal location. No, but even up here are the right places.

6:12You know, even up here at sucks. It's like pricey. It's like ridiculously pricey. I was, you know, this is the thing. Just for you, used to be sort of on the higher end, but like looking back, it's affordable. Roger is talking about a breakfast place in San Francisco that we used to go to a lot. And we went to it because it was right across the street. Very beloved. And is it still there or not? No, it closed. It closed last year. Just for you. Yeah, close. I don't know what was that. I remember the crockery. Oh, no, no, no, just for you. Oh, no, no. It was down by revision three. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, okay. I did go there once. Now, I was thinking to you. I will say this. I will say this. They had like all the pancakes that you could ever want. But this is the thing, they cooked fish. And any place that knows how to cook seafood well, repeatedly, generally is a good restaurant. But they didn't have catfish nuggets. I mean, I've only, again, I've only had fried catfish as a filet and little rock. So I don't know how that can be. Catfish in any form is honestly, you can't go wrong.

7:15That's pretty good. Delicious. But I guess I have to be careful, because it's a bottom feeder. So I'm not sure of that count. So it's a lot be cow. So am I. I can't eat tilapia too much, because I'm one of the weird people that gets the acidity or something. You base joint pain. You get joint pain. Like cow. Because of what the fish are eating. It's just the fish, the, the, the, because they're bodhisattvas. These are probably what they're eating. Like if they're most tilapia, the shirt is farmed. They eat mud. I'm a cod. Well, they eat other fish. Usually they're relatives. Like a good cod. These are fish food. Cods are good. Oh, I love cod. I do like a good cod. Halibut, I love halibut. Perch. Even though the eyes are on the same side of its head, both of them, it's a good fish. Flounder. I don't think you're looking at its eyes when you're getting really good at it. No, no, no. So when my dad had the, when my dad had the fisherman's galley running, we used to, this is back when they were still the big ones around. These things were like 200 pounds, took two of us to lift it up on kind of a table.

8:16That's amazing. Well, they were huge. They're a massive. Sometimes they would leave the head on, but they usually didn't because no one wanted to pay for the head. That's, but how do you know it's really halibut? Actually, if you don't get the head. You can tell by the shape. How can you share the eye with your elder? I mean, halibut was a, was a fleshy fish, but I didn't know that they were too nervous. It's a white fish because it's a bottom feeder, but not like they were so big. So you met one of those industrial garbage cans, you get like an restaurant that you like dump garbage into. Just imagine that with a tail sticking out of it, and that's how big the fish were. Like we put it like they were that big. But it turns out there weren't that many of the large ones left because those are like the big ones, right? And they only get that size if you leave them alone for like decades. Apparently we all fished them out so they're all there much smaller now. Overfishing. Well, this is uplifting. Just remember that food you eat on your plate has a direct impact on the environment you can't see. And a direct impact on you because you're eating yours?

9:20Yes. Also that. Yeah, don't eat a bunch of cigarette butts for dinner, guys. Don't, don't do it. I mean, it's not gonna go well. Listen, I'm not a nutritionist, but I feel comfortable saying it. Is food records still a change or did they go out of business? I think it went out of business. Well, yeah, because they're no longer on in this part of the country. I used to love food records here as well. I remember they used to serve bison burgers and they used to get that all the time because it's so memorable. There are still a food records locations and one in Concord, one in DC, five in Florida, two in Georgia, one in Savannah, one in Commerce, one in Redding, Massachusetts. Yeah, there's like not many left. There's like one in each state, except for a handful of states. Bunch in Texas, though. Interesting. Endangered. One in Saskatchewan, Regina. Thirty seconds. And one in Yucatan. I should go up to Regina one of these days. Not as many as there used to be, though. Oh, there's just no Winnipeg.

10:21I'm thinking of Mandatoba. Right? Eight minute maintenance. Yeah, there's none in Ohio. They all went away because Lenin and Rob didn't go to them often enough. Oh, we were in the 80s off-screen. We put in flood records. It was a place that I went to probably twice a month because my kids loved it. Rob's like, It wasn't me. It wasn't me. It wasn't you, everybody. Good day internet. This is the DTNS Live Thursday Hangout from Studio 7 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. From Studio Animal House, I am Sarah Lane. From Wet in Rainy, Ohio, Columbus. I'm Rob Dunwoody. Same here, draw the top tech stories from very wet Cleveland, I'm Len Pearl. I'm the shows producer Roger Chang. And welcome back, Nick. I'm on Ferd of the Snobbos podcast and big friend of the show.

11:23Got a lot of Apple stuff to talk about today. So thank you for being with us. How you been, Nika? Been pretty good. Can't complain. Had a birthday on Sunday. So. Oh, happy birthday. Happy birthday. Fairly look 25. Thank you. Is that why it's all like the big earful? Be careful with the supplements. Yes. Rob, yes. What if Nika's like, I just turned 24, but OK. I haven't seen the 20s in a while. It's possible. I think you're in good company here. It is possible. My mom is to only 28. I don't know. Don't ask about the physics and how that works. How works? No, it's the whole time space, continual thing. Yeah, go on. My mom's not even with us anymore. She's 28. That's the way going. I'm 28. We're all I'm six. Everybody's 28. I'm 26. I wish. I wish my joints felt like they were 28. Well, Roger, come on.

12:25Oh, OK. Let me jump off. Let me jump off the roof of my house in a very much of a student of the improv school called No Amn, rather than Yes Amn. He's like, that doesn't make sense. Why would I be 28? Well, listen, whatever age you might be, if you are watching us live, you can name this episode. This is the funding we're starting to do. Head on over to dts.showbot.tv to submit titles and vote on them as we go through the show. We will check back in on the votes after the show with our patrons. Yeah, it's a fun little thing we're doing now. You don't even have to pay for the Patreon to get the live stream. And you can go to patreon.com slash DTS. Watch the whole thing. We hang out after the show. DTS live is made possible by the patrons who do pay. That includes Brad, Kevin Morgan, and Paul Teeson. Yeah, thank you guys. All right, let's look at what we think the top tech story of the week was this week.

13:28There's a lot of contenders, obviously. We're going to talk about a few of them later in the show. But Rob, what's on top of your docket? What do you think the big one was? Well, I'm not going to pick Apple's no announcement because I think there's big news in that. But I will give the honorable mention to Apple because I think they have figured out when we don't have enough to have a big announcement, we'll just make little announcements every day of the week and just control the new cycle all week long. And they've been doing this now for a couple of years and they're really good at it. But I think the big news of the week is the stuff that's going on between the department of defense and anthropic. Yeah, because it just keeps happening. It's just we keep getting stuff. And it's pretty huge because there's a lot going on. There's, you know, they are going back and forth over. This should be in a contract. They shouldn't be in a contract, but then you have the CEO doesn't like the CTO. There's just a lot of stuff there that's going on and I think it's probably been...

14:29And it keeps breaking, like right after we published DTNS this morning, I had to add, I never have to do this. I had to add an extra audio file to the feed to say, hey, the Pentagon just said that they told anthropic that they've declared them a supply chain risk. We still don't know if they've actually filed the paperwork, but there we go. It just keeps ping-ponging back and forth. Yeah. I don't know. It's weird because for me, it's that story but kind of at the same low for is the paramount. Oh, yeah. A lot of people are talking about that one. There's just, and I'm not... Because we've shifted from... No, we don't want Netflix to it to everyone saying, no, we don't want Paramount to do. But this is the thing. This isn't a value judgment on my part. It's just like the amount of just stories that spin out. There's something about drama and people just needing to talk about it, even if they're not. Oh, definitely. It always is, true. Always. And that's why for me, it would be a tie

15:31between the anthropic DoD and the paramount and Warner Brothers. Nico, what do you think? It's a big one of the week. I want to say anthropic because, like you guys said, it's been something every single day. I know we talked about anthropic on our show last week, and then that next day, everything kind of blew up. But I also have to say, I think, for the block stuff that has, in my feed, I've seen so many people say, I've been impacted. It was great while I worked there. I did so many things, but I've been impacted. And it was just so many different people. Just in my feed, organically, saying that they were impacted. And I know we may talk about this a little bit later with a few deep into it. But I have some personal experience with this. And so as well, those things where it kind of hits a little bit closer to home. But I'm going to kind of go for like a two-fer with anthropic and block. Yeah, for people in the tech world,

16:32I think that one has been bigger than people outside of it. Because that is the one story I've heard people I'm friends with talk to me about, right? Versus just seeing it being talked about on social media or somewhere like that. I don't know, Sarah, what do you think? I feel like we're all angling in on the same one. But... Well, I'm going to go a little rogue here and say the MacBook Neo. Yeah. Big deal. The 599. Now, obviously, yeah, the Apple announced new MacBook Airs, new MacBook Pros. But the MacBook Neo kind of being in that educational situation, not necessarily if you're, you know, you don't have to be in school to get one. But something that is $600, rather than $1,100, which is what, you know, that's the going rate for other MacBooks, even an entry-level error

17:34is going to, I think, really open up the market for a lot of folks who either said, like, Apple is just too expensive for me or I just don't care, you know? I just, it's not for me. I think this really changes the market for a lot of folks. Poor mobile world congress. I just want to, you know, like this should be their week by all rights or properly known as MWC now. So slide, Apple, so slide. But Apple, Apple, Anthropic, Block, the whole, whole Bologwacks, all right, I feel like Anthropic is probably the consensus choice kind of overseeing everything with Apple right in there, a close second. But I don't know, we have a question. Yeah, sure. Did Apple miss it with Neo instead of Nano? It's just, it's, it's Nano was just sitting right there and everybody would have two small ones. Nano makes, yeah. And we had, I've had, I've had, I don't know.

18:36Yeah, Neo, Neo just sounds new, right? And so whatever you attach it to, it's never going to sound like the day's level. But this, this MacBook goes by Mr. Anderson during the day. I literally thought, you know what, you can do it. I was going to make a matrix fun and you can either make either by the blue one or the red one. I mean, yeah, there's actually four pills now in their pastel. It's amazing. And the fact they didn't have like a red one, I was like, that's miss. That'll come. That'll be the next round, right? It'll be a product red, maybe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Neo. Somebody get a hold of Bono. He's on the case. All right, well, you might be out there saying, I know what the top tech story of the week was. If you do vote in our poll, it's going on right now at patreon.com slash DTNS. The hustle doesn't have to hurt. If performance pressure is making it hard to breathe,

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20:39That's why at Warby Parker, we've made shopping for eyewear as easy and fun as can be. Peruse endless styles in our stores or use our app to virtually try on frames and get personalized recommendations. To find your next favorite pair of glasses, sunglasses, or contact lenses, or to locate your nearest Warby Parker store, head over to WarbyParker.com. That's WarbyParker.com. All right, as we just, we're talking about Apple announced a bunch of new products this week. New iPhone 17 E, a new iPad Air, those updates to the MacBook Pro processors, new studio displays, of course, the MacBook Neo. They are all up for pre-order now. It's probably not shipping March 11th anymore since everybody's been ordering them, but that was the original ship date. But I thought we'd talk about the fact that they didn't do a keynote style presentation. They did that thing that Rob talked about, stuck to press releases, a couple on Monday, a couple on Tuesday, and then the Neo on Wednesday.

21:41Nico, let's start with you, host of SNAP OS. How did that work for you versus the typical way they do it? So they've done this press release thing before. I think the difference is they announced last week that they were having, quote unquote, the Apple experience, and it was going to be across three different cities around the world. And it was going to be like press-only focused. And I think where we are now is that we have, we're going to have the two flagship events, the software event, which is WWDC, and the hardware event, which is the Apple event, typically in September. And anything else that's released, you've got to get this press release before they would do like a little video and all these things are something outside. But now it's like, look, you're going to get this press release, then you're going to get an update to the Apple store, and there you have it. I just think at this point, it's Apple is like,

22:41you already know what we're about, and here you go. Take advantage. I'm not sure how much that Wednesday part really worked though, because as you were saying, Rob, they dominated the news cycle by having something every day and always being towards the top of tech meme if not at the very top. But then Wednesday, when that press event happened, I was going to Shanghai, London, and New York. I didn't hear anything come out of that. There was not a lot of like, and we went to the press announcement. And I wonder if Apple expected a second boost there, or if that's all coming on March 11th, and maybe they were under embargo for parts of them. I don't want to say that Apple doesn't care, because, you know, I've said this for years, Apple is a marketing firm that just happens to sell a whole lot of hardware, a little bit of software. They've been that for years. So I think they do think about these things, but for the people who are going to be interested in, you know, in the Neo, they weren't listening to the press announcement anyway.

23:42It's about this blogger talk about it. This blogger talk about it. This podcaster talk about it. It was on the news. And that always comes after the initial announcement. So I think from an Apple standpoint, they still win. Why we're on Thursday, and this is one of the first things we're talking about on this. Yeah, yeah. Because they were like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. And honestly, these were not blockbuster announcements, right? These were mostly spec upgrades, except for the Neo, and arguably for the display, which was, you know, a much improved display over what they've had before. But, you know, MacBook Pro, I'm excited about new chips for that, but it's really just a chip upgrade. It's not just a chip upgrade. I mean, with the pricing, I mean, they're giving you a whopping amount of storage, where they used to be pretty tight. I mean, the storage is pretty close to what they had last time around. For that price amount? Yeah. I mean, they raised the prices. So I don't, they technically, to me,

24:43they didn't really raise the prices, what they did was, they took away the typical default 256 gig option, and they just start with the... They basically said, we're going to start with having given you that $200 option, and then we raised the price to $100. Right. That's a good way of looking at it, actually. But honestly, it's one of the few times I've seen like, okay, that's actually affordable-ish. I was more surprised by the fact that they didn't raise the iPad or the iPhone, and they kept the RAM the same for the 16E and the iPad Air. iPad Air seems to be the only one that people are kind of trashing, like, meh, there's not much new there. Everybody seems to like all the other stuff. I'm very curious to see how the M5 Pro and the Max perform in real-world usage for everyone. Who's trashing the iPad Air? I saw a couple of stories today that were like, the iPad Air is the most disappointing announcement,

25:44Apple had this week. It's nothing new. There's not much to trash. You're right. Here's the thing. The iPad Air is already a good product. That's why. How dare they not make it even better? There's not really much to complain about. You get a little bump up on certain stuff, but I don't really understand what somebody was expecting. Here's what it is to me, is that they're not giving you a reason not to buy it. If you're in the market to go get a new device, there's no reason not to get this one. Is it like a device, oh, this is so groundbreaking is doing all this extra stuff. That hasn't been the case in 10 years for these devices. Everything is very incremental. It's like designers, developers, engineers, they figured out how to make phones, laptops, and tablets.

26:45That's not changing much. I think that it is just fine. It's probably one of the reasons why they're not doing a big giant video in there. We're just going to give you these little hits every day of the week to dominate the little news cycle. We don't need to make a ton of news. We'll make a little bit of it. It'll just be an aggregate. Everybody's talking about us for the entire week. It makes the actual Apple events that we know, WWDC and the September event, to me, it makes them even more prominent. It's so early in the year where it's not super close to WWDC, but your Apple is making sure that they stay in the news by dropping these products. What these products say to me is that we're giving everyone an entry point into Apple. We've known for many years that, you know, our show is called Snowball West. We're kind of Apple snobs. But this, especially with the Neo, it gives people an entry point into Apple

27:45that they don't have to spend so much money, but they can still get an Apple product. And what they're doing to me is they're giving you a wide range of products. So you may not need a laptop. But hey, I could use an air. That would be, that would work for me. Or I, I just need to browse. I don't do too much on my computer. I just need to be able to get on the internet, watch some YouTube videos, that type of thing. But I can buy a $600 Neo and not have to spend $1100 on a MacBook Air or a MacBook Pro. And I'm still getting a really good device for a really good price point. And Apple is saying here, stay in the Apple ecosystem. We have a product available for everybody. Take your pick of the things we got you covered, whatever it is you're looking to buy. We got something for you on performance, and we got something for you on price. Yeah, I think Neo is really taking aim

28:45at new people more than its others. Saying, hey, if you're tired of all that BS from Microsoft and Windows, am I right? Because there's a lot of negative segment, sentiment around Windows. Or if you're like Chromebook, I mean, it's kind of limited, right? Wouldn't you rather have a full operating system? Then, you know, you can point to a $600 Neo. You know, like where, where you, you know, because Chromebooks are, you pick what is that, at least for, for school age kids, you pick what is, we got it. And the Neo is $499 for education. So they're trying to get a wedge in there. I think they're coming from the Chromebook market. They absolutely are. Yeah. And I think that there's a lot of folks who are in Apple's ecosystem because they have iPhones. But when it came to getting a laptop for their kid, I'm not spending $1,700 on a laptop for you. When I need a Chromebook, I'm just schools recommending. And you'll just be using your iPhone and a Chromebook. But this being, you know, $500 bucks, that, that is, that is not bad. That, that opens it up.

29:45And we, we have been saying that Apple has been price competitive with, with PCs for years now. But that was always at the upper side of the mid range into the high end, where they didn't play was at the lower end of the mid range and down into the, you know, into the low end. They, they just simply just didn't play there. And this, I wouldn't call it a low end device. I mean, you can still go get a Chromebook for $200 bucks. This is not that. But to be able to get a, you know, a current year, brand new Macbook for $600 bucks, if you're in a, you know, school discounters, you know, $600 bucks, if you're just a regular person, that ain't bad. That ain't bad at all. It's, I would say this is a return to something they did when they first moved over, when Steve Jobs moved over Apple to the Intel chip and they introduced the new Macbook at the time, which was a sub $1,000. Well, it's what got me to buy a Mac for the first time in like six years. And it was at a price point that enticed enough people. When you remember the ads, they really focused on the value

30:46and the pricing with it with the two guys on it. And I think this is just a return to form because in the past five or six years, it's been pretty pricey for anyone who wasn't looking at what you were saying, Rob, at the mid to high end range at that bracket before, you know, and that's where they were. And people were looking, well, I can't afford that. I need something cheaper. And they'd be looking either at a PC or a Chromebook because that's where all the commodity devices that people could afford were found. And you know, this could be just the return to, okay, we don't want to ignore that segment anymore. Let's push into that. I also think that going a little back to what Nico was saying earlier. If they had done a keynote style announcement, people would be disappointed. These are not the kinds of products that you build up and everybody tunes in and then you're like, oh, wait, that's it. It's just like a cheap colored laptop. That's your best thing. Rest of it's just spec upgrades. But making it not be that,

31:46making it be this kind of drumbeat of like 599, 599. Like the price was the same for the iPad Air and the iPhone and the Neo. Like it starts to, because your expectations are lower for a press release, you're like, actually, these are pretty decent. These are pretty nice. You know, it's a, it's a good way of, of doing expectation setting, except for the studio displays, which were like $3,200. $3,200? Yeah. For a monitor? Yeah. I mean, for the people who got like that. But they're so good. I'm happy for you. I know. For the people who got like that, I am so happy for you. I, I would, I'm glad you get that. Enjoy it. But we love this freedom. I will say, as long as they're, as long as they're calibrateable and they're calibrated out of the box for any kind of like pro application, especially if you do color grading on images or video. I mean, $3,200 is what you would sort of spend. We're getting any other like an ISO or any other kind of like professional grade color match monitor.

32:49Because that stuff you can't screw up, right? If you're getting a finished product, this is going to be seen by millions of people on a giant screen. You want to make sure your color grading is as precise as possible. Yeah. I was, I was challenged by a listener to find an equivalent display that is mini LED, that is less than $3,000. I have not yet found that equivalent monitor. But, but yeah. If you need it, that's, that's not a ridiculous price. It's just a ridiculous price for those of us who don't need it to be like, why would I get that? I don't, I don't really need it to be that good. Yeah. Well, I decided I did enough to need it. And you had complete waste of time. I was like, I don't have to pull that thing six inches from my face to actually be able to see the, the clarity in it. So yeah. All right. So we touched on this earlier too. But last week, block, the company behind square and title and more, announced it was laying off 40% of its workforce, specifically because of what Jack Dorsey, the CEO called Intelligence Tool Capabilities.

33:50So a lot of times companies lay off people, they try to fudge like, well, that's a little bit efficiencies from AI tools. But maybe it's also this other thing. And they kind of go back and forth on, you know, whether it's worse to sound like it's AI or not. Jack Dorsey was like, no, I'm getting ahead of it. I'm going to lay out 40, almost half the company right now. And I think most companies are late to do this. He's saying that the companies are going to be able to get by with fewer employees because of these intelligence tools. And he's not going to wait around wasting money on humans. Nika, a visionary or a mistake? A mistake. And I say that because a lot of these companies aren't, their infrastructure does not lead them to take a full advantage of these capabilities. Their workforce is not aware of how to use these capabilities.

34:51It's the very early stages for this. And to say that you're at the point now, where you can get rid of almost half of your human capital for this, I don't, honestly, I don't buy it. And what I've been seeing as a person who's, you know, actively using some of these products, who is actively in, you know, out looking into how to use these things and how they're actually being used. AI is the easy big bad wolf to say we have to reduce capital because our AI capabilities have taken over. What's really happening is they're reducing the headcount and the headcount that's left is picking up the slack. They don't have these tools automated and efficient enough to say I can only run these tools and still get the work done.

35:51You still need that human intervention. We aren't at that phase where we can exclude this amount of human intervention. I think this is probably going to come back to bite him or bite the company because getting rid of this many people in this like one foul swoop is, to me, I think it's shortsighted and I don't think, I don't think most companies intelligence, what's he called them, intelligence tools capabilities. I don't think they have them as far as advanced as they will like people to believe. Well, and Jack Dorsey is, I mean, he's known for being sort of a, you know, Silicon Valley weirdo, let's be honest. So, you know, he kind of says stuff at the same time. He has been a very, you know, successful businessman over the years. You know, maybe do one things his own way, but I'm with Unica on this one.

36:51The whole sort of like, because of AI, we're gonna go ahead and reduce our head count by, you know, almost half, that is not, that scenario isn't improbable. But I think that it's a very easy way out. And we're not there yet. We're not there yet. Yeah. When you, basically, it's like, we overhired. We overhired. There we go. Or we're trying to make our shareholders happy. Yeah. We're trying to make our bottom line look better. And what can we do? We'll still have 60%. We'll just spread off the extra work among people that we have left. Block reported revenue of almost $6.3 billion. But earnings tumbled to 19 cents a share. It's still making money, not losing money. But they took a $234 million hit on Bitcoin holdings. So, stripe is eating blocks lunch. Nobody talks about square the way they used to 10 years ago.

37:54And I think that is at least something we need to think about, right, as maybe another motivation for those. I think one of the things too, when you think about a Jack Dorsey, I don't know him personally, never met him. I've only heard stories about him. And he absolutely, to me, seems like the kind of person that says, you know what? You know what? It'd be cool. Let's lay off 40% of the company. And you know, I think he could be with it. He's not thinking about the human capital. He's thinking about numbers. You know what? We can move these parts. This spreadsheet has let me, I think our shareholders are going to, they're going to like this. And they did. They loved it. They loved it. The stock price skyrocketed after they laid off 40% of the company. And I'm not trying to get in his mind. I'm trying to get into the mind of someone who may think like this. We just laid off 40% of the company. And we did it on one broad swing of the sword, so to speak. If it doesn't work, guess what? We know 4,000 or so people who could go back and hire right fast. It could come back in here and do this. The other part of this as well is that they are probably going

38:57to turn many, many, many, many, many of the employees who left into consultants that actually are going to say, I'll do this because you're paying me way more to have a little bit more risk. I mean, I get the ridiculous severance the next time around because I'm a consultant at this point. In fact, you absolutely wouldn't get it because you're a consultant. But I think that in his mind, he's thinking that if we do it right now and we get rid of all these folks, we can recover from it more easily because the stock price is going to go up. And these folks, if we need to bring them back in two months, we can bring a lot of them back. Some will never come back with some probably wood. And I think that that's the calculus that is going on in that guy's head. Yeah. No, I think you're right. I can see that. When you look at Block, you've got a company that needs to save money. They've taken some hits on some bad bets. And if you're Dorsey, you're like, these weren't bad bets. We just need more time. And I can save not only salary by doing what you're saying, Rob,

39:57with paying them as consultants, but also payroll tax, 40% payroll tax deduction as a person who has to pay the payroll tax for subrillion LLC that runs DTS. I'm like, that would be very attractive to your bottom line. I totally get the temptation there. If you are just looking at the actual human element of this, even if Dorsey's right, that 40% of your people can be replaced by AI, which I'm with you, Nika. I think that's very optimistic to estimate that, at least currently. The smarter company takes those humans and puts them on other things that they couldn't have afforded to pay them for before and makes them build those new things. Do things that you couldn't do. That's what a company that wants to beat Block would be able to do. Is it go higher all these people and say, I will pay. I'll use all those AI efficiencies that Block has, but I'll also hire you to do some things that you wouldn't have been able to do

41:00before if we didn't have those efficiencies. And that's how you win at this game. I think this is incredibly short-sighted, or it is just a way to save money because the company desperately needs to save money right now. And what you just said, Tom, that's the visionary part of it. That's where you get the visionary part of it. Whether you keep these people on and put them on something else or whether these people go off to another company or build their own, that's where the vision comes in, not with axing all these people. And the other element that they aren't considering on the human capital side of it is they wiped out whole teams of people. And that has to do something to the mentality and the morale of the 60% that are left. That doesn't bode well for the way people feel confident in going into their work. And that definitely I think has an impact on the way people work and where they produce. Yeah, morale for that. If it impacts their services to their existing clients,

42:01I don't know if that's going to bode well for them. Then they just do what Rob said. They go hire a bunch of consultants. Maybe, but like, I don't know if I was a shop owner or you staff back up. I'm kind of with Nika. At some point, we're just sort of trampolining people in and out. That doesn't really do well for a company. If you went in and just said, okay, I'm going to transfer all of you into sort of a contract consulting position. And we'll just bring you in. But that's not what he said. And that's not what Rob is saying either. Oh, no. But this is what I don't know. I mean, like, if I was one of the 60% of people remaining left that something had to pick up this additional work, as well as knowing that my head could be on the chopping block in the next several months. I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be busting. G James B said the firings will continue until the real improvements. I'll tell you what. I'm probably making this up.

43:02But if you were to go check Wikipedia right now and look up quiet quitting, it is a picture of the 6,000 folks who are here. I mean, they are refreshing those resumes and starting to put dealers out because they could be on the block. I saw somebody on social media. He was impacted by the layoff. Turns out he wasn't supposed to be. It was a cleric or error. They hired him back. There's always a couple of those people in every one of these things. That kind of slips through. Yeah. I mean, just the emotional roller coaster you take on something like that. It's just a rubber young says I'm just a barking dog on the internet. So I don't know. Jack Dorsey is a very successful, highly wealthy business person. So I'm sure I'm sure Jack is right and I'm wrong. I mean, if Jack is right is if he's doing things for Jack's own well-being. Maybe. Or maybe not. I'm looking at this and I'm like 40% and you expect that your company will

44:03continue to be as profitable as it used to be. That doesn't track with what I know about how companies support. Also, you know, it's more than optimistic. It allows people to change their minds, right? Well, you tried to do it one way and then you decided to do it a different way. So it's like, sure, you're right. But it also gives you that flexibility. Rob was talking about to hire a bunch of people back. And yeah, if you keep doing that, Roger, you're right. The morale gets even worse. But you could do it once and say like, you know what? We made a mistake. Welcome back. And it means you get to get rid of the people you really don't need or weren't very good at their job without having to go through the process of proving they weren't very good at their job. And that there's another element of this that probably helps make him want to do it there. Yeah, I think about the people's actual jobs and you know, folks are thousands of people are absolutely affected by this.

45:03But if you're looking at the spreadsheet, they've already thought about worst case scenario two months out, 12 weeks out. Let's just go hire a bunch of folks back, bring them back in. They already, you know, they want to forgotten how to do the thing. And you're right, Tom. They'll hire back the ones that they absolutely want to be there as compared to because you can do a 15% 20% reduction because you're going to get your low performers. But when you get into the 40%, some of those folks are rock stars. Yeah. And they just got caught up. Oh, no, you're coming into the meat. Definitely. Definitely. That isn't the crystal. And the other part of that is the tech hiring market is so bad. So bad. If they factor that into, if they factor that into say, well, let's give it three months. Let's give it a quarter to see how it works. They know that those people are likely going to still be available after a few months, after a quarter. And if this doesn't work, it's like, yeah, let's go back and get them and bring them back. Because you can't yet replace them with robots.

46:03Like you can replace your vacuum cleaner, right Sarah? Indeed, Tom. If you are curious about a robot vac that can also mop. And we were over on live with it. Roger and I chatted up about living with that exact thing. Watch the episode of me living with the Robo Rock S8 Max Ultra. And see if it might be right for your household as well. There's some good. There's some bad. There's some ugly. But it's a lot of fun. Check it out over at youtube.com slash daily type news show. Hi, this is Pablo Tore from Pablo Tore finds out and today I want to talk to you about boost mobile. Because we spent a lot of time analyzing inefficiencies in sports, overvalued contracts, money tied up in the wrong places and so on. But those inefficiencies aren't just on a roster. Sometimes they're in your own monthly expenses. Boost mobile says switching to their $25 unlimited forever plan can unlock up to $600 in savings a year.

47:09That's $25 a month for unlimited data, talk and text when you bring your own phone. If that money is trapped in a pricey phone bill, it might be worth a second look. Visit boostmobile.com to learn more. After 30 gigabytes, customers may experience slower speeds. Customers pay $25 per month as long as they remain active on the boost mobile unlimited plan. Savings claim based on a January 2026 boost mobile survey of 1,000 Americans with single line on limited plans. Comparing average annual payments of major carriers to 12 months on the boost mobile unlimited plan. For full offered details, visit boostmobile.com. Okay, we've been covering the ongoing saga of anthropic in the US government on DTS since it broke into the public last week. Justin Robert Young and I did a long conversation about it on the Friday live hangout. Jason and I had a great talk about it on Tuesday's DTS. But I thought today we'd talk here less about what companies and governments are actually doing and more about what we want. The relationship between AI providers, any AI providers and the government and the military to be.

48:15So how do you want the government to use LLMs or do you want them to use it at all? Rob, you'll go third. Sarah, let's start with you. I do understand that in a military capacity, this is very important. I also understand why companies have different ideas about what they want the LLMs to be for. Who are we helping? Who are we harming? And for that reason, I'll go ahead and do a little devil's advocate here and say maybe the military doesn't need this. Is that the devil's advocate or the angel's advocate? Kind of depends on what side of the issue. I don't know. Roger, I know you follow military stuff really closely.

49:16What's your take on this? What would you like the relationship between the government and these kinds of tools to be? So I mean, initially they're all being used to do pattern recognition. That means you feed them a lot of information about troop movements or positioning of assets. And then they can sort of spit out all the things that would take analysts a couple of weeks to go through. You could also do image recognition when you use, when they do satellite or flyovers for reconnaissance, they can just say, okay, this thing changed. This is what they used to do when they did the start treaties. They would have, they would have literally rooms of analysts go through film footage to see which of these missiles got moved, which ones got redeployed, because you can figure out what the, what your opponent or potential adversary is doing. So if it does it in that fashion, I'm okay with it. I think the trickier part is when you do anything that requires you to target something and then say, press this,

50:19like, it doesn't even have to press the button. The autonomous system, right? That's what Anthropica is saying, right? Yeah. But even the military was saying what the Department of Defense is saying is we just want to do whatever's legal. It's not necessarily legal to do autonomous systems yet. What we want is to be able to test them or, or, you know, experiment with them or do trials with them. And I think Anthropica is more resistant to the mass surveillance than the autonomous stuff, but that's part of it. Yeah. And I think, you know, honestly, there's a lot of, there's a lot, a lot of people in the military have always complained that there's been a lot of middle management in the Pentagon. There's just a lot of people in that. If you could kind of take up some of that work without necessarily removing any sort of combat effectiveness, that means people that actually carry or deploy weapons, that would be a good thing because then you get to cut overhead. But, you know, that's a larger discussion about the way the current Pentagon is structured.

51:19All right. Rob, you asked to go third. It's your turn. So, if I'm, if I'm just being as realistic as I possibly can be, we would be foolish to think that the, you know, the Department of Defense and the federal government at large is not going to use LLMs. They're going to, they're, we use them in our everyday lives because they are useful except for when they're not, but they are pretty useful except for when they're not. When my concern comes in is where perplexities, you know, you know, concern came in is where a lot of people's concerns. I don't want them to use, I'm sorry, inthropic. I don't want them to use this for targeting systems. I don't want them to use this for surveillance. I still have a real problem with the training data that goes into these systems just last week. We saw an instance of Gemini putting out some racist stuff. It was like, they apologize for it. It was a mistake, but that stuff still happens. So, I'm concerned that if you train your LLM and you're using it for surveillance, but you only trained it on, you know, certain parts of the population of Earth because that's where the data was the least expensive.

52:27If you're using this for surveillance, how often is it going to get it wrong? And my world just facial recognition gets it wrong a lot. So, that would be my concern. And then if you're putting this on to, you know, $2 billion weapons platforms that can literally take out cities, town, states, countries, that is a bit concerning to me. Even if they're not doing it right now, the fact that you're playing with that, if the people who are making or saying, hey, we're not ready for that yet. I tend to agree with anthropic that Claude probably isn't ready for this yet. Because it's something that they wanted to get into and they're like, no, we're just not there yet. I tend to trust that more than I trust the vendor that is buying the product in this case, the Department of Defense. So, I know that we're going to have LLMs in the Department of Defense. It's just unrealistic to think that we won't. I just hope that they hold back on targeting people and on surveilling people with the technology.

53:31Because it is still extremely flawed when you get into diverse communities. You should make the decision on those lines. Because what the DOD is saying is, hey, we have laws that restrict you from doing things. We will follow the law. And what you're asking anthropic is for you to be above the law, for you to decide what should be legal and not. And that's not the way it should work. You should just sell your product. And as long as we're using it lawfully, like anybody else who buys a product, we shouldn't have to bow down to you because you think it shouldn't be legal. For me, when it comes to that word legal, that's where I think we get ourselves in our tricky space. Because they're saying using it legally. Jim Crow was legal, but it wasn't good. But it was still legal. So, when you come to the legality of things, and we have laws, we have regulations, who creates these things?

54:34Who creates what's legal and what not? But then who gets to decide what's good? Right. And so, and that's to me, that's where the huge sticking point is, I don't expect the government not to use this technology. Like Rob said, we use it in our everyday lives, and it makes things easier, and it makes it better. The issue is, and I've said this when it comes to the government and AI, from the very beginning, one of the people who are making these decisions, they don't have the skill set and the knowledge base to make decisions that are actually beneficial and helpful. Two, there's a lot of money that goes into these spaces, and a lot of times profits come over everything, as long as you're making money, as long as you're bringing in the big bucks and getting what you want. Some of the other things can be a little bit nextable and it can be a little bit okay. Similar to what you said, Rob.

55:35You can, and I've said this before on this show, I said on our show, you can have the best algorithms in the world created by the most brilliant minds there are. But if you're data, if you're training data, if the data set that you're using to run these models and these algorithms, if they aren't pristine, if they don't have a level of ethical behavior behind it, if it doesn't have a diverse set, if it doesn't cover a multitude of things, it's not going to do you any good to have the world's best algorithms if your data is bad. And so when it comes to making the decisions of what's legal, what's not, how can we use it, how can we not? And particularly with the US government, we've already seen that there are times when they will say, let's just kind of put the legality of this thing on pause to get, don't we need to get done? Well, that's a different question though. Like if the government doesn't follow the law,

56:36then then you've got another conversation. But should the contract say, even though this is legal, you're not allowed to use our product for that, is really what the question is. I think back to this documentary from back in the day called Terminator 3. And there's a part of this movie to where it is legal to turn sky net on. But there are people who are saying, do you really understand what would happen if we do this? Well, that's the question. Who should decide what is the right thing to do? Should it be the government or a billion dollar private company? One of them is accountable to... Who's running that billion dollar private company? Well, and do you have a choice over who's running it? So it could be one person today that you think you like and it could be a different person the next time. That's right. And that's the sticking point of all of this is who gets to make that decision? Who do we in general feel enough comfort or faith in to make these decisions?

57:44Because, you know, the conversation that you've had before, the things that we've seen, it's like it's... It's kind of almost like a toss-up of who the individual person is that's making that decision. And that's the hard part of it. I mean, who do you trust to make that decision? Well, and ultimately, the problem is the legislation needs to be drawn up. And as we all know, legislation moves at the speed of politics. And so it's... And it's going to be such private companies be a stand-in for legislation, though? No. But I think this is the problem. We want all the solutions available to us right now when the method of normally getting to it takes too long. And so we want sort of a superman effect where we want some of the kind of come in at the moment to give us like the guardrails that we want instead of literally just, you know, pressing our representative.

58:45And that's how you get populism. Well, here's the thing you can look at. You can say, well, what does the contract allow for? The reason that we're having this conversation is because the government wanted to do something that anthropics said, we don't feel comfortable doing this. Yeah. So we can't sign off on this. Now, the other stuff that has happened, oh, well, since you're not signing off on this, we might have to put you on a list to where no one can do business with you any longer. That's something different. Yeah. But the two entities are negotiating and the people who build the software are saying we don't feel comfortable with this. If you just break it down to, why would they say that? Because if it goes wrong, we will get sued by you out of existence. And you don't want that. Even if you knew that this could happen, it's going to come back on me, me, me, me, me, me, me, the private company. Any blowback, any negativity, because, I mean, we talked about, I think co-worker we were on the show. Or and it was like, yeah, you can use this thing.

59:45you have to give it access to and call it as cloud's co-work. You can give it access to all your files and you can give it a command and tell it to move this. But sometimes it might just delete stuff and then it's gone. So that's kind of your bad, not our bad. With the autonomous stuff particularly, and Thropic and the Department of Defense were not far apart. And Thropic was like, yeah, we want to work on autonomous systems for you. But we want to go a little slower than you want to go. You want to be able to go a little faster. Let's come to a middle agreement, except the personalities. We're not the kind that can say, yeah, sure, let's come to a middle agreement there. So I don't think the two sides are as far apart as some of the rhetoric out there makes it seem they are. I think it's because they disagreed. Yeah. Now it's like, oh, we're still a far apart. And that was one of the things Justin and I talked about Friday is like, this kind of thing happens a lot but doesn't blow up into the public. All the time. Yeah. It's all the time. What's unusual is that we're all getting to see it happen, right? Yeah.

1:00:45Real time is in the military. When they decide on which target is the bomb, they literally have officers argue with each other as they denote as they mark off like we'll know that Roger. I need you to shift out of your military thinking into your game host thinking because it's time for our weekly tech game. Yes, Roger's got a Zillow game for us this time. Roger for anybody who hasn't been part of the fun before. How does this work? So the Zillow game follows the rules of borrowed from Pricers, right? Essentially the winner is the one who can get the price, the correct price for these fabulous properties I'm about to show you without going over. So the one who gets the price of the closest wins and the one who goes over doesn't win. Now all these properties, properties were called from the side wild on Zillow as well as the Zillow, wild on Zillow subreddit. So also not all the listings are from Zillow,

1:01:45some of them are from other online. Super calling it Zillow, but it may just be property. It's 85% Zillow game, not all properties, maybe from Zillow. And do we just tell you the number? Yeah, each person will give me a price and then we'll reveal it at the end. Yeah, we just want to show you the property on the screen. But, you know, again, try to guess the price without going over. Yeah, and I think we need to put our price as our name. Oh, that's a good idea. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. On stream here. That way Roger isn't sitting there going, wait, who said what again? Yeah, just change your aunt. Change your aunt. I can do that. Yeah, we can do that. What would you do then, I forget? I'm actually going to change my headline, not my display name. Yeah, you do that. It's just the headline, the second part. All right, the first one is in Arlington, Texas.

1:02:45It is a five bedroom, five bath, 4,623 square foot home. It's a one of a kind north Arlington custom estate. Oh, wow. It's in a secluded five bedroom sanctuary said in a heavily wooded lot, featuring resort style grounds with a coin pond, a yoga tea house. What is it? What is it called? It's a kind of house. Are we sure we didn't see this before? It looks like this. I'm plundered by an interior. Oh, my God, look at that, man. The board truly renovated Bassa, the dedicated Roman spa retreat. Wow. I like this. Look, there's a lot going on here. I don't hate it. I've, I don't know, but honestly, when I saw this. Wow. I immediately thought of, what was the Tiger King, that Netflix show? North Arlington, too. I think it's kind of a Ritzie-ish area. Oh, very Ritzie. Look, all that garden hoses hung up right there. Super Ritzie. Well, what the heck? That person could afford that many garden hoses.

1:03:46I don't know how to change my thing. You clip the three dots down below. You see? Yeah, down below street. I've gone with 2.5 mill. Oh, I don't see it. So Len is 2.5. I only see the sedians. All right. And then we'll go with that on your own thing. You don't see that. Nika says 4.6. All right, so Nika says 4.6. I have the eyes of a badger. So I can't see anything. 4.6. I think that's high. I'm going to go with 2.5. That's what I said. That's what I said. Len said the same. So we're, you both can have the same price. It's like a, oh, OK, 742,000. Not even in the millions, right? Arlington, Texas. I'm doing it because you won because it's a bigger font. So Roger can read it. OK, yeah, 2.7, 2.7, 2.7. All right, the price is actually $675,000.

1:04:51Oh, even what? Oh, no. I should have said $1,000. I should have said $1,000. I should have looked at the garden hoses closer. Wow, that's, that's shocking. And I know, I know, and then the price is $575,000. It's a strange home. It needs some work. It looks like he had a lot, he got all the extra material from when they built the house and then tried to use it the rest of it into whatever bed. It looks like a stage in Marvel rivals the game. Yeah, it looks like some of those 4 poster beds. It's your lunch. Yeah. It does. I don't know, some about that bedroom for, you know, the multiple bedrooms. I don't know. Oh, look at me. But there is something I like about the price. It's quirky. You know why? Because they remind you of the reinforced cafe. Maybe so. Maybe so. Maybe so. All right, home number two. Now, this one is not in the United States in our neighbor to

1:05:53the north in Toronto, Ontario. This is a five bedroom, seven bath home. It's reimagined by an internationally acclaimed reflect architecture. This is a serene ravine estate on one of Toronto's most exclusive streets in a sculptural masterpiece featuring the exquisite Obamac's kitchen, a private tennis court and primary wing with treetop views all crafted for a lifestyle of quite a gated permanent. Wow. Wow. That's nice. This is this is north Toronto or north drive. So this is sort of the north end of Toronto. It's marble floor. It's a massive area anyways, like regardless of what the home looks like. So. What was the score footage on this? This one. I don't remember. Let me see. It has nice. It has tennis court. It has tennis court. It has tennis court. Yeah. Okay. I mean, it's seven bathrooms, which I always say, if you have more bathrooms than bedrooms, something's a mess. But this is a nice house. This one is sits on a one-push. I think you should have more bathrooms than you have bedrooms.

1:06:56Yeah. One point nine five eight for a while. It's almost a two eight for a while. I need someone to explain that to me. It's like why I tried so many bathrooms. It's for when people are at your house, but not in the bedroom. Yeah. But that's right. Yeah. toilets. No, but that's good. No, I don't want more toilets. When a house is not big, you don't want to be sending people into the bedrooms all the time. Yeah. Right. No, you don't want strangers in your bedroom. No, no, no, no, no. But like when it's like five bedrooms, five bathrooms, it's like, okay, everybody gets a bathroom. Every bedroom has a bathroom. Five bathrooms, ten or five bedrooms, ten bathrooms, and you have so many bathrooms. Because you have got one in the kitchen, you've got one in the living room, you have one in the pool, you have one in an office, and you have one in the play area. So you never have to go very far to find a bathroom. Yeah. I think if you've ever been to a house, maybe they're older than that. They need to have something close. But that's why they do.

1:07:56I understand the thinking, and I'm just like too many toilets. So I don't want that many toilets in my home. Yeah. I said, I think 7.9, Nika's 3.3, Sarah, I don't know what to do with it. And then, Len, where do you do it? Just click on the three dots where you put your picture in. There's no, just tell it to me. Sell it to me, Sarah. Tell me. Down with the bottom where your picture is. Yeah, those three little dots. The vertical dots. The vertical dots. All right. Okay, thanks, everybody. So I'm going to go with two Toronto, so. Toronto. 2.8. 2.8. Okay. All right, the actual price is 12,995,000 Canadian. So, so it's 9.516, so 9.5 million U.S.

1:08:599.5 million. Wow. Rob wins. Okay. You got to see the marble floors. Yeah. You mentioned North Toronto. You mentioned North Toronto. Yeah. It's in the world. I'm sorry, Toronto. I, I, I underbellied. They got church doors. Yeah. It's a, it's a beautiful house. Yeah. It's 12 minutes. This feels like it's been in a TV show. Yeah. Six cents. Like, like succession or something. Yeah. I mean, some of these shows are shot in Toronto. What is that thing there? That sculpture at the end of the hallway. That's from Beedlejuice. Three tendrils. It's just three tendrils. That's, that's a sandworm from Beedlejuice. All right. All right. Third home. This one is in New Jersey. New Jersey. Okay. This one is Mountain Avenue, North, North Caldwell, Borough, and New Jersey. Four bedrooms, four baths, 2,812 square feet. If you ever wanted to live in a Minecraft disc building, situated 19 miles from New York City,

1:09:59this award-winning modernist masterpiece by UKZ Architects is quote, a livable work of art that blends clean, intersecting lines with high-end renovations and serene privacy to create a seamless connection between its sophisticated interior and its lush, North Caldwell surrounding. So wait. This is South West of New York, but Northeast of Philadelphia. Yes. Basically, you're in the suburbs. You're between, you're like by Trent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or a whole bokeh. Yeah. I think this is going to be pretty expensive. I just remember in New Jersey, the property taxes go on a sliding scale. Well, I don't know anything about that. But let's call this, let's call this 10 now. Hmm. Sorry. Sarah says 10. Yeah. I'm going low. I'm really low. Not as low as lead, though. Wow.

1:10:59Yeah. 1.8. I'm thinking New Jersey, though. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm where Lin is. So I want to go. I changed mine to whatever Rob has. There's whatever you can. So Rob has, uh, so 10 million for. It's not a huge house. It's just the location. Yeah. 2800 square feet is not big. Okay. Here's what I want to do. It is very big to someone like me. And it's out. You have out in the suburbs. It's not innocent. One million. Wait. One dollar. One dollar. One dollar. Because you think all of us are over. You think even land is over. I think you know, I think Lin is right. I think Lin is probably close. So I just want to. Yeah. I want to go over. You don't think it's more of it. You don't think it's more of it. To both New York and Philly. It's a proximity to New York. Like, yeah. So the price is 1.9. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I almost went the 1.8 billion dollars. This is my own. I'm going to California to come on.

1:12:00Where I'm like 20 million. And you know, that makes sense. It's not a huge house. It's a wonderful, wonderful thing. Small for four bedroom. What's the wrong direction? Yeah. 1.9 sounds right. Now that I'm looking. All right. I'll squeeze in one more house. I got swayed by the blockish. Look, the modern. All right. This one is in a, is in a cheaper location. It's in Vanita, Oklahoma. This is a four bedroom, two bath, 3,720 foot square foot home. Renowned are designed by renowned architect Bruce Goss, legendary roundhouse. It's a flamboyant 1960s masterpiece off Route 66, featuring an innovative circular floor plan. Centered around a sunken conversation pit and dramatic skylet fireplace, all in case an fossil embedded stone exterior with distinctive triangular geometry. Hmm. I love a conversation pit. This looks like a cult home, but that's me. Truly. I mean, this is my ideal home.

1:13:02This is my ideal home. I've heard my eyes. Yeah. Whoa. This is something. That's a Kubrick. You're going to say that something straight out of a clockwork range. Oh, yeah. It's very good. Wow. All work at no play. At least for feet, did you say? It is 3,720 foot. 3,700 foot. Four bedroom, two bath in Oklahoma. Yeah. I went with 1.5. Oh, I'm going lower. I'm going to go 750. 750,000. Okay. Len, you went 1.5. Mm-hmm. Rob goes 555. About half a mill. I went 9.99. $9.99. Oh, Nika goes 350. Really? The town goes very low. Yeah. It's because it's a nice big house and it's got some, quote, unquote, charm.

1:14:07It looks very 1966. It has new bathrooms. 475. Oh, that's a good point. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. You're right. Nika, you're a Bruce Goff fan. It's a 475. You get it. You get it. You know what? I didn't take into account the architect. Good job, Nika. I didn't take. Look at that home. If you love Bruce Goff. It actually kind of looks like a public restroom from the outside. It does. It looks like a restaurant on the inside. So here's my thought. It's like the location of it. It's a weird looking house. And if you're not really into just having that house. And the location. I don't. Yeah. That seems about right. Doesn't seem like it. I know nothing about that city. Vanita Oklahoma. But I just. You didn't say tell the way to Joplin. Missouri yet is still Oklahoma. No offense to Oklahoma. I mean, you think offense to a day in the winter.

1:15:07Joplin and Tulsa are the two closest big cities. So. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. Hey. Hey, Len Peralta. Thanks for illustrating today's show. Yeah. So. I'm like many of you excited for the. The neo. I was pretty. I was pretty jazzed about that video, by the way. Excellent work by their by their advertising team. But you know, Rob and Tom said it earlier. They kind of took my joke. Doing neo. It's. I almost said hello. Mr. Anderson. Yeah. I almost said hello, Mr. Anderson. But then I was like, yeah, maybe that's a little bit of stretch. But yeah. I'm excited for the neo. Maybe there might be one in my life soon. Who knows. But if you're interested and you love the neo and you love neo. From the matrix. You can get this at my online store. Len Peralta store dot com. Or if you're a patreon. If you're a patreon patreon dot com forward slash Len.

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