How foreign policy decisions affect domestic well-being

0:00it's six eastern it's three o'clock Pacific this is a president of action coast to coast and around the world from the America out loud talk radio studios if he says he's serious about something he means it's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott how do you think your congressman or congresswoman is doing in the house of representatives if I asked most people they would say well I think my guy's pretty good or my girl is pretty good in reality the American people are frustrated with the house of representatives they don't get good grades whether the republican or democrat people are frustrated with the house in general but it's funny to me that when you bring it down to their districts most of them are still popular within their districts and that's why you see so many of them continue to get reelected year after year and it doesn't seem like we ever give much change I'm Booker Scott and this is the truth be told on America out loud talk radio there is one

1:05way that there are grades given to those members in the house of representatives it comes out once a year every year from the republican liberty caucus and last year at the same time we had the national chair for the republican liberty caucus John Dennis on with us and he has come back again tonight to go over the brand new scores that were just released for the house of representatives the senate will be coming later and I'm sure we can get him to come back then the john welcome back to the program okay it's always a pleasure thanks for having me and I said when we were talking earlier that we should not have waited a whole year we really shouldn't have I enjoy having a conversation with you and let's get into it let's start things off with explaining how you guys grade I think it's important to understand that that you know you could have a caucus on the left the grades completely different than you and in some ways you're grading not necessarily on left or right but on the constitution explain how you guys do this

2:07well sure I think the the philosophy of the republican liberty caucus lies in our name and we you know our our statement of principles reflect what we think the founders of the country we're trying to achieve which is a government that that that simply protects your rights protects you and protects your rights and you know it's rooted in the the ideas of the enlightenment from lock Montesquieu and it's it was a new form of government people weren't subjects they were sovereign citizens and were the government was there to serve them so if you if you read the constitution those are the ideas that you know they're you know influenced it and it runs all through the the the constitution and you know we're we're perfectly content with having a government

3:11that that that that protects those rights in those ways so so that's what we're looking at we'll again at a very you know constitutional founding principles approach to government and what we do is we take a cross section of bills in this index for the house and then as you mentioned we also do it for the for the bills in the in the senate we take that cross section of of bills and say okay how would we have voted on it as the republican liberty caucus and and then take a look at the and then take a look at how the the each congressman or woman voted and given them a great you mentioned john lock there you actually mentioned lock and I throw the first name in there so listeners understand who we're talking about I talked about him not too long ago and how you can really see in the declaration of independence and then the constitution john locks philosophy and I don't know that a lot of people even understand that but that's really what you guys are getting

4:14back to where we have the pursuit of life liberty and happiness and that is a philosophy of john lock who actually lived 16 30ish 16 32 to about 1704 so he was dead 70 years before the constitution or the declaration of independence was even written and I really enjoy reading and learning about john locks on glad you brought him up let's get into specifically the bills that you guys kind of graded on can you give us a cross section of that where I think last years I remember there were about 20 bills that you guys graded on am I remembering that right is that what you did again this year yes we which we try to keep the math simple and it's difficult to to to review every bill that's out there so what we try and do is break down the bills that cover specific areas that are representative of what the house voted on in the in the you know previous year

5:15so we'll you know it won't be too weighted on foreign policy and it won't be too weighted on a specific domestic policy and we you know we take that cross section the maximum score you can get as a hundred so we divide that that 100 by the 20 bills we've looked at and assign five points each so for every every both that you make that agrees with us you get five points and and if you don't vote with us you get no points and we do have over the last couple of years we've done a sort of an extra credit vote or a special bonus point vote on sometimes it has to do with you know intra house votes on you know bringing something to the floor sometimes it's it's not something that's particularly important to us and and so over the last few years we've been awarding a couple of bonus points so people can get above a hundred I know the last year that Thomas Massey led the way but I think there were a couple over a hundred last year this year there's only one

6:18and it is Thomas Massey he came in at 101 last year I think he was like 107 I could be wrong I'm just doing this for memory but he is over 100 he is the only member in the House of Representatives and by the way he is the he's in first place by really a mile he's the only one that would have an A in the House of Representatives for the Republican side when they're using this grading system here that the Republican Liberty caucus is using second place would be Marjorie Taylor Greene no longer there but she graded out an 85 what do you make of her leaving the House of Representatives and what does it do for Liberty and Freedom in America? Well Marjorie's departure was a big loss for Liberty and she you know I don't know that she was you know really well well read on the concept folks who were referencing earlier a lock in Montesquieu the ideas of the enlightenment or the the evolution of of the role of government coming from Western Western thought but she's

7:28sure voted as if she understood it you know innately and so she was really good on a lot of issues and one of the reasons why she I think she really liked Donald Trump as much as she did was because because she liked you know that that Trump was in sync with her and I think that's what calls the friction between the two and the truth is that you know she showed more fidelity to the to the Trump agenda than Trump did and and that created some conflict specifically in particularly over foreign policy and and then of course the Epstein business yeah um so she was a loss yeah that there's no doubt about it do you think she was right in doing that John I mean because I you said that the government really has two roles I agree with that they should protect us and protecting us has a lot to do with national security and I think maybe some of her rub with Donald Trump had to do with that and not looking inward in trying to get things going in the right

8:29direction and as you mentioned the Epstein list which I have never been an Epstein list person I could care less I don't think it does anything it's not going to accomplish anything and you're going to end up with people on the left and people on the right that aren't going to be satisfied and nothing is going to change as a result of it what do you think about that in Marjorie Taylor do you think she was unfair in the way she went after Donald Trump and and has continued really well um they're actually so I want to address the the domestic and the foreign policy issues with her um and and then another matter um the way she went after Trump well um thinking of another another woman who went after Trump and also got uh well Nancy Mace has Nancy Mace has been a little bit wordy lately also yeah but Nancy Mace um you know has some really bad votes she was good on the uh and if you if you want that the Epstein files released uh I did and so I

9:29thought she was good on that but her um her voting record is a is a mixed bag whereas Marjorie seemed to you know and lately understand what the role of government was I I think I think um you know she she uh was really disappointed sort of like Ann Coulter was you know Ann Coulter was a big Trump proponent a long time ago sure yeah she she she got uh disenchanted uh when the wall wasn't going up it wasn't doing more unimmigration she was you know she was vocal about her disappointment there and that that caused a fracture and I think the the the the telegreen thing is analogous and she but except that Marjorie is in the house so you know the question is should she have resigned should she have at least filled out you know fulfilled her term um I would have on the one hand on the other hand you know it's it's uh you know it's a tough business you know when when you know the president is so powerful in the party and she uh I think she was sort of heartbroken over

10:31because she put her heart into supporting Trump and the fact that he was saying these uh you know these um kind things uh you know bothered her and she just didn't feel like she wanted to be around I can understand that as well uh I would have counseled her to to just stay on this is an important year and um uh she was you know always had the right boat so I think she should have stayed now in terms of the you know the in terms of the foreign policy I mean I think you know she she uh you know was a republican liberty caucus person in the written in that regard that we do not want to do this sort of uh you know this foreign foreign adventurism uh you know we're the we're the non-interventionist crowd uh we don't want to get involved in um you know um more uh you know business overseas uh foreign military business overseas it's incredibly costly it I think weakens the country um and uh and so I agree with her and that was that I think that's Donald Trump's um instinct as well as to stay out of it having said that yeah I agree he's also a skilled you know skilled negotiator and a

11:36skilled business person and understands leverage and so you know his if I can be a little you know be fair to him um you know his his um uh he hasn't started a full-scale wars we disagree with him on the around strength but he was restrained he just made though made the one strike and and didn't go uh for full-scale invasion he and in an oblique way he um uh paid deference to the Constitution by just swooping in and grabbing Maduro and that and in that action he sort of indicated that he knows that he has to go to congress for you know for uh to go to war so so he's a little more adventurous than I would care for him to be but I understand her position there and then on the Epstein thing we'll look I mean um I think there there are a couple things there one the the the the victims of the survivors they need justice you can't have guys running around uh you know you know a trafficking uh young girls underage girls or even you know any women for that matter uh and get

12:41away with it a and b there is the the subtext of the whole thing is um is our government run by uh a blackmail operation and I think in that regard it was really critical to get the Epstein files released and and now that's sort of happening we've got we got it dumped yesterday lots of interesting things coming out of it and uh we'll see we'll see how that falls there are a lot of big names that have been coming out of it for sure I just don't know how it necessarily changes when it comes to Iran you know I predicted on the show that what would happen would happen it happened exactly the way I said that there was not going to not going to be a regional war there was not going to be an escalation of it because all you had to do was look around John for the last couple of years and watch all those countries watch Israel go after Hezbollah in Lebanon Hamas and Gaza America and Donald Trump and the getting the Houthis in Yemen and all they were doing was sitting back and watching because it benefited them to get rid of the regime in Iran and when it comes to

13:44Venezuela again I see these congressmen and Senator Rand Paul saying the same thing about the War Powers Act and I think that what Donald Trump and his administration has done with the Monroe doctrine is very important to for dominance here in the western hemisphere and it really appears to me that that's what he is concentrating on and by doing that that is sticking a wedge in everything that China wants to do you know it's a big world out here and you have to think I believe sometimes more strategically than just you know building a wall around our nation and hoping for the best I don't know what your thoughts are there uh yeah I understand the understand the position and and I understand that we you know there there are interests that need to be protected and so there are two ways to look at the the Venezuelan thing the the Monroe doctrine says that colonial

14:47colonialism is over in the western hemisphere and and no more European powers should seek to you know to to to colonize in addition to what's already been done yeah it doesn't say about you know going into into anything back on into foreign countries in the hemisphere and you know sweeping up and and picking up their their leaders now again I think the fact that they they characterized it as a law enforcement operation carefully yes I think it was an interesting gray area and in it and by describing it that way actually pays you know deference to the constitution you know he understood that he what is the the president is showing that he understands what his what his limits are um so you know having trying to go and into a business we you know yeah that's is that colonization I don't think so I mean again going if trying to come in and declare a kid this is our territory that's one thing but going into doing business deals

15:51is is another so um but you know again it um it it it catches the attention of folks around the world and they and they know you know not to not to play games with us and and I suppose that that's a good thing yeah it's not a problem Iran Iran Iran is a trickier business now because you know we've we've we've moved some carriers in now some battleships into into the Gulf this is escalating and and that was our main concern they're one that again there was no imminent threat from Iran and the the president doesn't really have the authority to go go striking people without you know without getting congressional permission um if they again if there's a if there's an action being taken against the United States with the war powers resolution the president can begin and then inform Congress with them I think it's 30 or 45 days

16:54but that's not what this was this was this was a direct intervention uh you know by the president in a situation where there was no women in threat and presumably doing it at the behest of of you know of a foreign interest and the whole thing deceived uh seemed um you know inappropriate and that's why we we push back against it having said that I mean I think I I Donald Trump you know understands the levers of the powers of the presidency like no president since I think uh Richard Nixon I think he's you know superior to Reagan in that regard and so you know personally I'm willing you know willing to you know give him a bit of latitude but I'm really concerned about this Iran business now and uh hope that it doesn't lead to a you know to a full-scale war yeah I don't see Iran doing that I think these people are having a revolt they are trying to get this regime that has been terribly oppressed of pressing these people for 50 years now you know since 1979 this has been going on and you know I think maybe Trump probably got out over his

18:01skis when he you know we probably shouldn't have said you know I've got your back that was maybe not the best thing to say because it's sort of put him in the position as you mentioned we now have a carrier group there or on the way there and that kind of puts us in a spot where we may not have a choice but to do what he said that they were going to do unless the Iranian regime change just leaves if they just yeah get out of there but I don't see that happening either I don't know who the replacement is I don't think that the Shah in waiting the son of the Shah that would left in 1979 I don't think that he's the answer he has become a spokesperson for those that are revolting in Iran but I don't I don't think those people necessarily want him let's look at a bad score here before we get to the break we're up against one one that sticks out to me is Elise Stefanik she's another one that's leaving that she's retiring not running again not going to run for governor I'm surprised that her score is down there in the 20s talk about that I'm not no I mean I mean you know at least

19:05Stefanik is you know she's she's got her skill set and she was a pit bull for for for McCarthy and Kevin McCarthy here in California she did a lot of a lot of the heavy lifting in sort of the the dirty work for him a little rumor that I heard at one point that one of Thomas massie's primary opponents was directly recruited by Elise Stefanik and not this current one but in the in in in a past year so in a past election so she's you know she's willing to get rough and tumble and but she's just a creature of the swamp and power and so one of the things that we're we try and expose and add some light to is you know is how how these these folks vote and what are they after if you look at the the Democrats they're pretty direct people say what are the we know what the Republicans stand for but what are the Democrats stand for and you can't really

20:09come up with an answer except that they stand for power yeah me either that's it they stand for power yeah and I got to say she's Elise Stefanik as we know but in my calling her a Democrat but she she definitely you know it has the same mindset she she's you know about the power interesting we're having a conversation with John Dennis he is the national chair of the Republican Liberty Caucus the Liberty scores just came out we're going through some of these we're going to continue with the conversation and we'll have a conversation about Thomas massie it's coming up this Dr. Peter McCullough you know me from America Loud Pulse and the McCullough Report while I'm inviting you to join me in Nashville July 2nd 3rd and 4th for a truly historic experience in 2026 America Loud News 250 slash 10 Nashville I'm calling all pages to be a part of this unforgettable weekend packed with inspiring entertainment incredible fireworks and nationally recognize speakers who proudly stand for freedom together with you and our partners clear and

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24:25with john dentists about this very country and about our representatives in the house of representatives that overall when you talk about polls they are not very popular but like i said at the top of the hour most of us like our congressman that we have it's funny how that works isn't a john it is and you know that's largely because people are not like you and i booker they are you know they don't pay attention to what's happening just go by impressions and they're not they're part of what i think the crowd while we're part of like the folks actually pay attention to you know to what's happening indian of these guys are charming there's these women are charming there's a reason why they get elected and uh if they're also seen as bringing home bacon that makes them popular too yeah yeah they get things done and because they get things done for building a library or whatever it is in your community then that's a win for your community and that's what they do in washington dc when you see these bills going through the appropriations there's something tucked in there for you because of that representative and because of that that's why we like the people

25:29that we put there and sometimes it gets very frustrating i know a lot of us we want people to do things just the way we want them but that is not democracy that's not how it works let's go through some more names here a guy that i like timber chat from the state of tenisee scored a 79 he seems to be very popular right now among magga and he seems to be popular in your scoring well i think one of Tim's you know big assets he really understands the the financial predicament that washington is putting the country in and i want to make a distinction here uh you know sometimes he'll say oh you know we sort of conflate the washington with the country and it is not we are the country yeah the washington is washington the federal government is their whole thing the federal government has put the country in in jeopardy by running up over 38 trillion dollars in in in debt it's amazing it's uh not you know talking about not sustainable now you know people

26:32don't realize a couple things i mean paying interest on the debt the debt service is the third biggest budget item right now we spend more on that than defense at this point spend more on that than defense under the sort of the nominal defense budget defense budget is actually a bit larger than what they what they they claim but all we can we're up to about a trillion dollars in interest now isn't that correct yeah well you know years ago the great writer robber pigs did a did a calculation there you know a lot of things aren't included in that like for example the coast guard that we used to not be included i think maybe at the homeland security is not included the the the nuclear silos are not including is so actually when you add up the entire defense budget department of war and then the other items it's actually close to double with the they say but having said that the it's you know the debt service is a master problem and more importantly it's growing about a trillion dollars every hundred days yeah and it's it's out of control and and this is i think one of the areas where you know we'd like to see the you know

27:39this is one of the areas where you know where we have some concerns with the president i think the president thinks that he's going to be able to grow his way out of this i agree out of this deficit but i i i don't think he understands more over you know it's becoming evident that there's so much fraud in the federal government and that federal that that fraud tends to benefit the democrats so in a sense you know he's funding the people for with our tax dollars the people who who are going to impeach and harass him for the rest of his life that's great i think you would have an incentive to cut that spending he doesn't but the timbridge that does understand that he's been a real great addition to the house we're very very pleased with some a couple of things that i think about a lot of times is the fact that our budget was 4.6 4.7 trillion before covid back in 2019 since then since covid we've been 6.5 trillion 6.2 trillion and we're at 7 trillion right now to your point with Donald Trump as president 7 trillion where did all of that money go

28:44and we're finding out through doge and other ways now through its fraud we know that there was 500 billion to a trillion dollars in fraud and money stolen from the american people through covid relief and we're starting to see where that is now in places like Minneapolis but i think that that's just the tip of the iceberg i think it's much worse in other places and i agree with you that we have got to cut we need to cut why can't we cut and also grow i think Donald Trump is is right in thinking that if he grows and the the GDP is higher the taxes are greater than and tariffs and things like that if he grows the revenue that's one side of it and that's great but i think we also need to cut and i don't see enough cuts in like the big beautiful bill that they passed last year and these 12 appropriations that are now going to be passed for the 26 fiscal year there's no difference same level well growing the revenue just means that they're taking more money out

29:45of the pockets of the american people um so you know because you know it's just a matter of fact that even though the that the tariffs may help with manufacturing the fact is american people pay for those those tariffs that's right that's number one number two um you know we're right now the these continuing resolutions they are continuing to fund all of this fraud all this Biden fraud all this Obama you were fraud they with that by not coming to a you know to decision to make cuts that's all they're doing i mean all the crazy stuff that Elon Musk exposed with doge is still getting funded think about how outraged people were when they found out that there were a million plus people who had social security numbers from somewhere the people who hadn't been born yet or people who were 150 years old yeah and um those same people vote by the way well that's the same people are voting they're 150 years old too there's that business but then

30:49there's also in and they're not collecting social security but they're using those social security numbers to to collect hundreds of billions of dollars in in additional benefits so another all the other benefits that come with having a social security number so i mean these are sort of the things that could be cleaned up and i don't understand uh why it isn't being addressed and i my speculation about it is that uh Donald Trump has been influenced by Keynesian economists including the supply sideers like Larry Cudlow reserved in the last administration and um you know supply side uh theory is a Keynesian offshoot and it's generally true except i think that the the president may be concerned that if you take that that government spending component out of the of the Keynesian equation then you're going to see a you know see a you know a drop in an overall GDP but if if if Havian Malay has shown us anything in Argentina is when you cut that

31:50federal spending the economy actually grows because the money ends up in the productive economy not in the in the dead weight dead weight make work on me of of government so i think there is i think there is a balancing there john's opportunity you know yeah i think there is a real balancing act there in cutting too much too quickly to uh it caused job loss and and things like that but i also uh agree with you completely that if you put the money back into american people's hands they are going to spend it and that also will create jobs and it also grows the economy at the same way and so i would rather have it in people's hands than in the government's hands because we can clearly see that the government should not have access to money because they do a terrible job they're inefficient at it so Thomas Massey is number one at one hundred one points he got a bonus point uh marjorie Taylor Green was second at eighty five timbridge at third i want to hit these top ones here before we get done Greg Stuby from florida i know him i i like him a lot uh josh britian um i don't know him where is he from tell us about him a little bit

32:56actually i don't know a ton about him either the other than he's from uh from oklahoma and uh and he's in he's a nice counterbalance because uh no oklahoma has two republican senators yeah who have invariably come in a some of our lowest performers they've lengthened uh the mark we know and you know and they're both they sometimes they sing the they they sing the right words but man they don't even they don't know the tune yeah james lengther doesn't even sing the right song anymore mark way mullen does you see him singing all the time erick burlison with seventy four Eli crane a guy that i like he's from arizona seventy four chip roe texas he also had a seventy four paul goes are in andy biggs both of them right around seventy they're at seventy one and seventy two as i remember last year both of them were higher than that i think one of them actually was over one hundred with tomas masi yeah it was andy biggs i mean andy's grow it was great well here's what happens in fact we had a we did next base the other day with tomas and a couple

33:57of things that we have learned from him over the years um uh one when uh your party takes power the white house yeah your your in power and the and the house your the scores go down because you you you you try and be a team player that's right um so that happens um what's interesting is that actually our average score which is uh which is a pathetic forty seven is actually up a point this year because the because they voted more like a herd um and so we don't have that many outliers but the sort of the we also are not seeing some really low scores like i think last year we saw some people who scored a five out of a hundred yeah i remember that we're not seeing that but um but we are you know we some of the the the better guys have you know have have lost some points because they want to stay in line with the president's objectives and um yeah so that's that but i i like all those guys and they were losing chip Roy out of the house and we're losing andy biggs um but hopefully we'll get you know get some um some good folks

35:00in there i will say that the Arizona delegation it has again you know coming as the strongest you know you got great scores from um Eli and Eli Crane and uh Paul Gosar um and uh you know they've got uh they've got a they've got a really good delegation and that the the republican politics in that state the politics in general in Arizona is sort of like really fascinating uh it's a really yeah i confuse it it is you have Katie Hobbs as a governor and uh then you have representatives like Eli Crane and Paul Gosar it really doesn't make any sense you have more republicans registered in in uh Arizona than democrats they think it's one point four million but you have that same number of independence one point four million and i think there's one point two million democrats it is a different state similar to Maine in some ways in that it's kind of quirky as well where Susan Collins is a couple of names here that before we get finished that i really want to point out that are on the low side and they're brand new one of them sort of surprises me the other one

36:01doesn't they're both from florida you have randy fine who replaced mike waltz who's now the ambassador at the united nations and you have jimmy patronis who was the financial guy for uh ronda santa's in florida ronda santa's replaced mat gates and it seems to me like you guys lost some points there in that exchange that one does not surprise me i saw that coming before jimmy patronis ever said that he was going to run if he was the guy that was going to replace patron uh mat gates then we were going to lose lose some liberty there in that seat yeah and again i don't i mean i know a little bit about those guys i know a little bit about florida paul of republican politics because the largest uh state uh chapter of the rlc is in florida and i get down there a little bit um yeah i mean this is the reason why i mean i i want to live in liberatopia but i find that but when i find that uh one party or in the other gets uh gets you know strong control uh they tend

37:05to you know compromise their their principles will go off the rails the democrats tend to go off the rails and the republicans tend to compromise their their their their the principles uh and there's some uh disaffection with the republican party of uh of florida and also with um the way the uh the the republicans vote in the house there so you have some some interesting characters and i think you know i think the president gets influenced by his uh his local folks there and um you just takes them at their word and then moves on and i think it's a dental effect i know this firsthand that some of the initial friction that came up between uh senator paul and uh uh president trump was over candidates who were in winnable seats and um the president choosing the let's just say the non liberty candidate happened in governors races it happened in congressional races it happened in senate uh senate races and um and and that's that's where some of the friction is so the so like a lot of things about Donald trump he has uh mixed bag

38:09and a mixed record of uh choosing people um in uh you know endorse endorsing people for the house in the senate do you have any feeling on this midterm coming up in november it is very important you mentioned impeachment that's what's coming for us we're going to see two years of impeachments unless something changes between now and november history would say that it's not on donald trump side here in this midterm well the the um there are some interesting things happening there as right as you say the history isn't on the side of donald trump on the one hand on the other hand i think the economy is going to be pretty good to share i mean there's some interesting you know harada clouds on the horizon are we gonna have a dollar meltdown uh what you know like i have a sense that we might make it through that um yeah the other thing that has to be you know calculated in is the impact of um uh you know the crackdown on the voter rolls and some of these practices going on in in blue states even some red states um and you know how is that going to go and impact um

39:11the the midterm elections so i don't think it's i don't think it's a fatal complete that the democrats get the house back i think i think we need to sort of start making uh you know guesses about that as we get into the summer but i think it's a little too early too early to say and if you know the if president trump has shown nothing else uh he has shown that um that he can buck historical trends so yeah i think between now and then the messaging has to get a lot better and i think as supporters of donald trump our messaging has to get a lot better i see circular firing squads on the conservative side whether you're a liberty caucus person or not and that's got to stop we really have to come together accentuate the positive of what has been done to make people realize that when the economy starts really showing what donald trump has done that uh you know that people will go out and vote to protect that so that they can continue the work that donald trump has started here in his first year of the second term well and you know

40:15it's it's easier to do that when you have uh candidates um who uh who inspire people based on their their voter record and and and and you know not really going to get it done we get the trimming patronis is um he he inspires you know nobody you know he's you know those kind i'm not picking on him in in particular but uh but those kinds of candidates just make it uh you know you make it about us versus them as opposed to what's right and what's wrong and incidentally thinking with Thomas mass he i think and you know just so you know we don't give we don't lobby people on how they should vote we don't tell people how what we think about it before about the the individual bills before we vote we just do a review at the end of the year so this is not some sort of thing where it's like coordinated with mass he we're just in sync with him and his name is philosophy and i think ultimately that's the you know donald trump my suspicion is if polymarketing cashler any indication you know tombs is going to pull that out oh yeah yeah of course he is yeah i think you will too yeah well i mean it's i think if the president

41:18you know the president's interesting i noticed this with prop 50 out here in california he didn't get behind it because he knew it was a tough tough slog and it doesn't like to be associated with losses yeah correct um i think if the president starts campaigning for for for uh this thomas's opponent um you know does rallies and that sort of thing that will be um uh that that will make it more difficult for thomas i still think he'll prevail but if you notice that the president isn't going into the district um then thomas is going to it was going to stay in office yeah good point we'll watch for that and see if he goes to kentucky see if donald trump goes to kentucky to campaign i don't think we will i think thomas massie is safe there in that seat we had a conversation last year because thomas massie and donald trump were sort of going at each other at that time i asked you is this going to get better i think your response was you think that it will and i i didn't know and i it didn't get better we could both say that well look yeah let

42:19let i know we're wanting to down but i mean one one thing i do want to say i suppose i actually thomas and i were on the phone um and he had to hang up with me to go vote against the one big beautiful bill and at that point he and the president were uh you know called the day tom they were going to let it go but it was the Epstein thing that really enraged the president and that's uh and so they they were moving in a in a positive direction i think the president was on the verge was actually saying something nice about thomas and i think he likes thomas um but um but the Epstein thing was you know was a bridge too far for him so sometimes on social media i have been publicly not a big thomas massie fan but i have a lot of respect for him because i believe in the things that he's saying and what he does i just believe that he should be more statesman when we have control and power because a lot of times right now i see him as an an obstructionist and he's trying to eat an elephant at one big bite almost on every vote and i think you have to

43:20take little bites of that elephant to uh get us back to liberty i don't think you can just win by being out there all by yourself and i and that's way i look at it but i think he says the things that i agree with and i just know that the things that he wants are not going to pass anywhere and unfortunately i would say for freedom and liberty i would put it that way is that there yeah i mean again if thomas has been pointing out lately that he votes with the party you know 91% of the time but he doesn't vote for um you know for for um you know extending you know bankrupting us yeah for you know letting and letting you know guys get away with unsafe things with uh trafficked women i mean so that's where he's where his 9% is but you know the president and his loyalists are good at painting a different picture um but um you know i think if you go through the folks who are listening to this you take the time and go through the um uh the cross

44:20section of votes that we we did it's not hard to read that's not long to read and then decide for themselves would they have agreed with our position with thomas' position i'd say the vast majority of them but probably 90% would agree yeah i do what arctic was on that bill yeah and so a lot of this is is is is marketing and the truth is is that if thomas if the president you know brought thomas in more frequently maybe put them involved in this inner circle i think it actually be a really powerful thing for the american people yeah that would be interesting to see i don't know that we will when did the senate scores come out because i want to have you back then when are they do out next month uh a couple of weeks we'll have them covered uh i'll i'll i'll paint you probably next two weeks or so okay awesome his name is john denna c is the national chair of the republican liberty caucus john thank you so much for coming back on the program i really do appreciate it the pleasure is always mine booker thank you very much for having me virus protection and immune boosting just got easier enter the daily v stack using cellular absorption technology we put vitamins a c

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46:38you remember the name jack smith he was a special counsel special prosecutor in charge of going after Donald Trump the guy is a hack when it comes down to it is cases in the past against in run they were thrown out at the Supreme Court and it wasn't even close it was a nine to nothing decision he is the left's hatchet man is what he's used for he was used against Donald Trump Trump says it was a witch hunt it was weaponization of government I agree with Donald Trump jack smith responsible for the case down in south florida that judge i lean can and eventually through out and the reason why she threw it out is she said that a special counsel has to be confirmed by the senate he was never confirmed by the senate he also was handling the case in Washington DC against Donald Trump and it comes out on monday october 6th that he's in a mess of trouble probably and in fact the bbc confirmed in august of two thousand twenty five that jack smith is being

47:39investigated for the things that he did but now we have arctic frost something else jack smith is involved with and the senators in congress they are not happy and neither are a lot of people on the magas side as influencers they're upset at what jack smith and our federal government did despise on senators and i don't believe this is going to go away anytime soon now the senate judiciary committee they published an fby document which they say show to the agency obtained phone data regarding the activities of ten republican senators between january fourth and january seventh of two thousand twenty one and that was the period that covered january six storming the congress now according to the document fby agents working on its arctic frost investigation received data showing when and to whom the ten republican senators made calls to during that time period right there around january six also they had a call length

48:45and their location when it took place so they were spying on us senators that's what they were doing just just break that down simple for you the arctic frost investigation formed the basis of special councils jack smith's own inquiry into the twenty twenty election interference which led to a federal indictment of trump in august of two thousand twenty three though charges were eventually dropped as i mentioned because he won the election the ten republican senators reportedly targeted were lindsey gram bill haggardy of tenisee josh holly of mazuri dan solivan tomie tuberville who is now running for governor in the state of alabama senator ron johnson of was constant sentia lumus marcha blackburn again of tenisee and mike kelly who is actually a representative in response a number of prominent magga accounts on social media have called for smith to be arrested again and of course everybody wants jack smith arrested he is being

49:48investigated the senate majority leader john thune said in a post on x i have grave concerns about a new report showing that the biden era fbi spied on republican senators and i fully support senate committees getting to the bottom of this outrageous abuse of power and weaponization of government that is john thune the senate majority leader who said that republican senator chuck grassley wrote on x this document shows the biden fbi spied on eight of my republican senate colleagues during its arctic frost investigation into election conspiracy arctic frost later became jack smith's electric case against trump biden fbi weaponization worse than watergate that senator chuck grassley speaking on cnn if you care is former federal prosecutor jeffrey tuban he said it's not even news jack smith cites these conversations in his report so this is not like he was trying to

50:55keep the secret and remember what smith was investigating he was investigating donald trump's attempts to overturn the election through the use of fake electors in congress so does it matter absolutely it matters we have a special council who had never been confirmed by the senate who has a history of weaponizing his position to go after people through law fair and has been successful in doing it but then it has been overturned at the supreme court level he's not confirmed by the senate yet he is now investigating senators he's wiretapping them he's following them that's what jack smith did and again the bbc confirmed in august of 2025 that jack smith is under investigation let's go to the government shut down we're into a week now a full week has been completed since the government shut down and let's get to the bottom of this we keep hearing about this health

51:55care that is what this is about is it really about the health care or is it about the big beautiful bill and something that was taken out a clean CR is in the senate it has been voted on five times it doesn't raise it doesn't lower spending it just continues the current level of spending into the 2026 fiscal year which we are now in and the government is not funded the democrats are saying it's about health the republicans are saying they want to pay for illegal immigrants what does this really come down to i think i have it for you first let's go to senator chuck shumer and some of his comments last night on monday night here he is all right there later as i understand it's not just couple of things there and i know the audio quality is bad it was real bad he's outside on the steps

53:00and there's a lot of traffic and it just doesn't sound real good he was asked about Donald Trump speaking to the democrats it's going to take about five more democrats to vote for the clean CR to get the government open again three voted last time actually two democrats one independent angus keen and main he voted for it as well so it takes five more to get this past and get the government re-open and there's some conversation that Donald Trump has thrown out that he is talking to democrats behind chuck shumer's back you heard the question there from that reporter is trump speaking to the democrats shumer says i haven't heard anything about it you also hear there that chuck shumer says this is about health care we have to take care of health care well if you remember back to the big beautiful bill at one point there was huge discussion about work requirement do you remember that some republicans were talking about it as well some in the house of representatives they were being very vocal about wanting to make sure that

54:02a work requirement was not required for medicate here's something interesting i want to take you back to dena bash on cnn talking to scott besend the treasury secretary about the big beautiful bill and about what was going on at that time let's listen to this together i'm sure you've seen and heard a lot of the concern including and especially from republicans who are the most vocal in congress about the fact that those work requirements are going to be very cumbersome to actually prove and it will inevitably force the people who need that medicate coverage off the rolls well first first of all it's the republicans are not the most vocal on this it is a group of democrats who unfortunately seem to think that poor people are stupid i don't think poor people are stupid i think they have agency and i think to have them register twice a year for these benefits that it is not a burden but these people who want to infantilize the poor and

55:07those who need these medicate benefits are alarmist so the democrats did not want this included back in july when the big beautiful bill passed they did not want the work requirement included work requirement has been around for 30 years if you want medicate you have to work if you're able to body if your disability that's a different story but that's what was taken out of the big beautiful bill that's what this is about for the democrats when they're talking about the aca or obama care that they want to put back into the cr one and a half trillion dollars that's what this is about this is the roots of what is holding up the government right now but my impression of the republican party is that historically you've wanted to cut through the red tape and not create more red tape but i do want to move on because well no no but the we've also wanted to put in work requirements which somehow that was very popular under bill clinton was popular under president obama and this democratic party blew out the deficit the in 2020 and you know they never

56:10want to bring it back but work requirements even pull well with the median democratic voter maybe not the fringe so back in covid they extended benefits without a work requirement they changed that law after years there was work requirement but just like everything else in the government once it starts good luck ever getting it to stop and that's what this argument really is about when it comes down to it is it about illegal immigrants getting of health care i'm not so sure that that's really the sole purpose of this i believe the sole purpose of this is removing that work requirement that the republicans put in in the big beautiful bill i believe that's what it's about we're gonna have to wait and see if Donald Trump really is having a conversation with five or six or seven democrats senators to reopen the governor that was behind Chuck Schumer's back you could tell when he answered that question that he probably didn't know a whole lot about that we'll have to wait and see hopefully the government gets open the military needs to get paid

57:12here in a couple of weeks that's when their next check will be so there's time there's runway between now and then there is only one truth you've been listening to the truth be told with bookers got on america out loud