Hour 2: Damian Parson + Is Monroe Freeling off the Browns board?

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3:06Plus, I, you know, you already took the stance of like you didn't want to watch it or whatever like that. And so I was like, all right, well, I'm not going to be like, I hate watching this. It just was what it was. I was open to giving it a chance. And then the clips that I started seeing pour out just didn't appeal to me. Like the practice sessions where it's like Logan Paul picking off Joe Borough when I was like, oh, oh, this is going to be, I, maybe I just underestimated what a joke this was going to be. You know what I mean? So I will tell you, I was my, the first thing I hated was Odell made, Odell Beckham, Jr. And that was cool. A one handed catch. It was cool, which was cool. And then everyone was like, you can't tell me he's not an NFL receiver. It's like, he's not playing NFL football. You didn't forget how to do like the one thing in the NFL that would always get him a highlight like that. So he's going to have that at 70 years old, OBJ will be like softly jumping and grabbing one handed football as a convention centers. And the other one that it killed me was Tom Brady should would still be a top 10 quarterback in the NFL. It's like, yeah, he can still throw the ball. He didn't lose that like most, and by the way, some guys do, if they have injuries at

4:09the end of their career, your breeze, I lost it. I will say I don't think Peyton could sling it the same way now as he used to. But Tom Brady's kept in great, great shape. And he never has had a problem throwing the damn ball even at the end of his career. Like it wasn't, he couldn't sling it the way he used to. He could still sling it some. Yeah. It's like old NBA players. They still have a jump shot. Like you can still shoot. Michael Jordan right now on a court can still shoot. But my favorite and honestly, it was the most accurate of all the reactions to the tournament was Bengals fans living and dying with every play in this because not only did Joe Burrow get hit a couple times in just collisions that happened just as part of the game. He also had at least one or two moments. There's a spin move where tried to juke and he just went right down. And if you didn't see the corresponding seconds, he would look like your textbook, non-contact injury. And so watch. And here's the thing, Bengals fans are right. Like Joe Burrow's the most injury prone quarterback in the NFL.

5:12He's also one of five elite quarterbacks and all the good things the bangles do are predicated on him. They don't have a defense. ive line is better, but still not very good. It's him. It's to Mar chase. It's T Higgins. I don't know what the hell Joe Burrow was was doing actually being out there. Well, and you're, you're relying on guys like I show speed, content creators, all these though. You know what I mean? Like to, I don't know, play within the boundaries of football or to have body control. Like to understand what they even need to do. Like I, that's to me. That's the dangerous part of this is that you rely on too many people that don't know what they're doing to that understand how to know what they're doing. I don't understand how, and I get that the bangles are in a, we haven't done enough for Joe. So we're not going to challenge him on anything. I, I, I'll be honest, I didn't even love, we didn't really talk a lot about it. I didn't even really love miles being involved in this like I'm glad that we got out of this weekend. I didn't see any clips for miles. Did you see any clips of miles? I didn't see any clips of miles, but like it's all a lot of clips this weekend. This just felt like a non-contact injury waiting to happen.

6:14And it just, I like, from the NFL, I don't know what they got paid. I know that it's a seemingly endless amount of Saudi money out there for anybody that's willing to take it. Yeah. I think at one point Tom Brady had disputed it was $80 million, that was like the rumored number for Brady, $80 million, and Tom was like, no, that's not what I got, but he didn't do like not even close, guys, he was just like, no, that's not what I got. Guys, it was $76 million. Okay. Stop talking at you. I was actually 82. Yeah. Also, I get the facts right. I also like a stretch of Saudi Arabia that I can go to anytime I want, but the amount of money they threw at this was obviously, it was unreal. But like Joe Burrows had a weird off season in general. He's like, now how he would, and I don't know really what to make of that, and this goes beyond him just doing obviously quarterback and all those other shows, like he is, he's like, he is, is he at casinos or not at casinos with like Jessica Alba, and then there's all sorts of other really popular people that he's just hanging out with every other day, like he's gone how he would. He has, and I don't blame him, but it's different.

7:16It's different than what he was. It's, it's different. It's weird because like my homes has remained unchanged. Tom Brady kind of went Hollywood like late in his career, but like he just, like he, he did a lot of Hollywood actresses. I don't know that means you go Hollywood. He had the weird, what's the, the trainer that he has Alex Guerrero, Alex Guerrero. That was weird. He's still weird. He's over, he's with the Raiders now. And he's doing all sorts of stuff weird things there. But Joe Burrow, again, I would love to know how much he got. That paid because to me, I would be gauging that against the next 10 years of money you could make as an NFL star quarterback. What would make you feel comfortable then if you're Joe Burrow to take that money and then have a weekend where you're really not in extreme danger of getting injured, but obviously you're playing football with a bunch of people that don't always play football or something could happen. How much money do I, how much money does he have left on his contract and how much is his next contract going to be worth because that would be what I'd feel comfortable. That's what you need to know. I can look up Burrow contract. I'm assuming we're talking roughly $300, $400 million with those, like the next eight

8:20years in the NFL. So the extension you signed in 2023 was worth $275 million over five years. So in 2028, that exhaust. So he's got two more seasons, three more seasons on, on basically, you know, $55 million a year. Okay. So that's, let's say three more seasons. That's 150 million. Then let's say another four year contract extension worth 60 million a year. So that's another 240 million. Yeah. If the Saudis came to you with roughly $300 and whatever million dollars just up front, then it's worth it. Well, but you're still, you're not really jeopardizing your next big payday yet because if it's three years away from now, you can get injured this next year and then have two more awesome years and back of that and still be fine. Yeah. Unless, unless this next injury is the one that costs him his ability to be elite, right? Like I know Joe's not the most athletic quarterback. He can still move enough, like he moves in around enough to make plays, like you're one, like that what's a Gary Baxter junior where he tore everything in both of his knees.

9:21You're one at one non-contact injury like that away from it. And I honestly think it takes a lot of balls for Joe burrow to kind of disc, disc the bangles in the way that he does. All right. So how do you, how do you put this up against? Because this weekend, he also said he wanted to be in the Olympics. Like he's the Olympics. They're doing gold medals and everything for Flagfootball. 2028, it's kicking off everything. And one of the big quotes from this weekend was Joe burrow saying he always dreamed of winning an Olympic medal growing up as a kid and it's something he definitely wants to be a part of. Who doesn't, by the way, doesn't every kid have like a minute where it'd be like, ah, be cool to win. What does it mean he dreamed of it? I don't know. Some people might just not care. I don't know. I never dreamed of winning him. Not that I was on the table for it, but like you weren't like you're a little young for the first dream team. Yeah. I would do nothing for me in life. I don't know. I don't know why I feel that way, but I do. I believe you now, I feel like 12 year old Peter Lynn who's in with the Saints and Mama Pat's grooming you. Yeah. I think you would probably that guy would win an Olympic medal. Yeah, that guy seemed like he had something to prove. Maybe.

10:22So all right. So how do we rank that? I mean, this is obviously this is like a boondoggle that he had in LA with the Saudis and all this stuff. But like, how do we rank that versus him wanting to be in 2028 playing for a gold medal? Yeah. I would, if I was, if I was Mike Brown or just anybody in the Brown family, I'd go remind him, hey, those are all cute things. You're still in NFL quarterback. Why don't you focus on that? Because we do let team USA for obviously basketball, for instance, we let like a broad play. We went all these basketball players play for all their respective countries because flag football is not a sport. That's the difference. That's not what the Olympics say. Yeah. In 2028 at least. Well, that's because if they let us put helmets and pads on, we'd kill the other countries. I think we'd also, nobody would sign up for it because like a Turkmenistan's 30, 70 year old plumber quarterback who's five foot two, hey, you've got a morbidly obese guy blocking for you on left tackle. Here's a little guy called Miles Garrett. Like we, they can't do real football because nobody could hang and it'd be like three guys.

11:25Even if you did the thing of like, well, your family's from, you've got, you know, proven Italian, like like in the, like in what baseball does with the WBC, yeah, everyone would still get killed. Everyone would be because we've got more Miles Garrett than you do. So I think they're still going to get killed even in flag football, not like killing with his hits, but like as far as the game, the games are going to be really one sided. Yeah, I would imagine this one. These games are going to be really, but that's the other part of this too is that did, did Joe Borough not do well enough at the thing he's one of the greatest to live on planet earth and doing in quarterbacking. Did he get shown up by this like team USA flag football team? I don't know who this Jemok was. That was the quarterback, but apparently he just can't miss. Yeah, that's actually what I love about this is they're going to be like, Joe, love the love the town. Joe Borough, if you wanted to play in this, I think they're going to, I think they're really going to team USA flag football team was significantly better than all sorts of guys this ought to say to play on this, this little event. That was the big takeaway is NFL players need to get better at flag football if they want to be Olympians in 20, 28 and I was like, or they could just stick with their careers

12:29where they're very high paid, they just not care about flag football. So back to your original point. I'm going to imagine flag football is still more of a danger for injury significant injuries for football players than like playing in the Olympics is for, for like your NBA player. We got like, we got like Paul George, I feel like guys are still getting hit even though it's flag football. I saw plenty of instances of guys still colliding with each other. They're still, you're still running and a lot of it's going to be played on turf. Well, the basketball thing is that basketball players hoop, yeah, that's what they do. Like if they're not doing a team USA exhibitions, they hoop, they're constantly, they're playing games, whether it's at different parts of New York isolated gyms or whatever, they constantly hoop Patrick Mahomes, when he's not playing football is not out there playing football. Yeah. He's doing whatever his wife says. Yeah. He's just, he's going to eat fast food places and such like that because apparently that's one of his hobbies. But like, he just screams to me is I'll do anything you want, honey, kind of guy, I'm trying to take shots.

13:29Yeah. But you know what man? He's had such a rough life with his family members between, between Jackson and he's turned it around here, but his dad, his dad and the driving and all this other nonsense. I got him a home. That's his family. Yeah. I think he's just happy. He just, he's just like he likes normal. Yeah. And she might not be that normal anymore. You didn't get that. You didn't get that fourth DUI this year, huh? You're not like cast and bleach report Damien Parsons Damien, welcome to the show. Thanks for the ends by thanks to the ends by guys. Well, it's great to have you here. Very excited to have you. I guess we'll start with what I just said there, Dan Orlovsky with a big send up on Ty Simpson on get up this morning. That's had us kind of having conversations about the Browns in the first round. Is he more in play than we thought? Do you agree that Ty Simpson and Fernando Mendoza are very close in terms of their capabilities and coming out as prospects? Not necessarily. I have Fernando Mendoza with a significant advantage over Ty Simpson in my grades.

14:30I mean, those have been my QB1 since the summer when he was at Cal. And I think a lot of, yes, we watched the Indiana film, but you go back to Cal and you see him throwing the middle of the field. You see the same coffin that you see in that Indiana him standing there versus Auburn with pressure bearing down, still throwing dimes and dots at all three levels of the field. He's better versus pressure than Ty struggled and at times crumbled a little bit toward like once you got to that Oklahoma game, where teams closed the middle of the field, yes, Ty throws a lot in the middle of the field, the end breakers and things of that nature that does translate to the lead. But that's also, it was also suited for who he was playing with. You know, Jeremy Bernard is a guy that wins in the middle of the field rather than winning with speed and being able to take the top off and win vertically in different things of that nature. Ty was the first year starter and you saw some of those hiccups as a young quarterback. So there's developmental upside with him. He's a guy that I think they need to sit when he gets into the league.

15:31Still my QB2, I have him slightly ahead of Garrett Nussmire, but Nussmire is now healthy, so we'll see how everything plays out come draft night. But I disagree with Dan Sentiment, especially down the field. In terms of who's better or he said they were close throwing vertically, I disagree with that. Watching, for me, watching Mendoza, one of the best parts of his games, if he identifies the 101, he's taking the 101, you saw him big throws against Ohio State down the field to Charlie Becker, where you're watching Ty Simpson. He struggles with ball placement and accuracy down the field. When teams force him into that to those deeper waters, you saw some of the concerns where, hey, you need some time working on that. Testing season is right around the corner, and this is when confidence really matters. When kids take time to review key concepts and strengthen their skills before assessments, it can make all the difference. IXL helps reinforce what they're learning right now, so they walk into every test feeling

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20:04What would your reaction be of the Browns took him at 24? The Browns took him at 24. I don't mind that at all. I think he can run top muckins offense. I'm still think this guy is a late first early second round pick that eight game stretch when he played very well for Alabama. That's I wait that more than the four games towards the end of the season where he struggled. Right. He's more so the accuracy is there. He plays with a great base in the pocket. He knows how to climb the pocket. He's an accurate quarterback who wants to win, but he is he is a plus level athlete like he can get out of the other structure and make plays with his legs as well and run the ball and read blocks as he's a you know, getting down field and everything. Now it's just more so having him just continue to develop the timing and rhythm at quarterback. And sometimes he's not anticipating throwing lanes and breaks where you would like to see that. But then it's like, Hey, he's a young quarterback in his first year as a starter. So if they picked him at 24, that lets me know top mucking clearly like some. I think it goes back to last year. Remember when Kelly Moore year one in New Orleans that with the 40th pick.

21:08So let me get Tyler Shup anytime an offensive minded coach who's the head coach picks their quarterback. I tend to incline to trust that offensive minded head coach. All right, Damien, looking to the wide receiver spot. There's been a healthy amount of debate about whether there's a true number one wide receiver in this class. When you look at all the big names here, do you see guys capable of being a number one receiver on a team? Yes. I do. I do see a pathway, especially for my big fours, Cardinal, Tate, McIleman, Jordan Tyson and I have Casey conception on. I think all four of those guys have capabilities of being the one. It just depends on the offense and how much structured, right? We've seen wide receiver ones look completely different. We've seen the Jamar chases. We've seen the Mike Evans. We've seen the Julian Edelman's and Danny M. Endola's and Wealth Welkers. We've seen the different archetypes. So it all depends on where you envision your one. So for me, you think about the Browns.

22:08Todd Munkin has a lot of success with Zayf Flowers. So I know a lot of Browns fans like, hey, we must take Cardinal Tate or someone that picks right now, this offensive line is devoid of a left tackle, like a true left tackle for the future. You can probably get, if you can get Casey conception on the 24, he can be that Zayf Flowers for you. But he also gives you similar to Zayf that outside that Z-receiver spot with the dynamicism and route running to both of the big man versus man and press coverage. Our problems, anybody listening, you get a chance. Go watch Texas A&M versus LSU when he played against Mansor Delane, the top corner from LSU. And when he played against Leonard Moore, who's supposed to be the 2027 CB one right now in the consensus on a Notre Dame, he gave both of those guys everything they could handle in one-on-one situations. This is a very talented Y receiver that you don't have to take inside the top 12 fix. All right. So what's your ideal setup then for the Browns at six and then into 24? So right up until for a while, I was mocking probably I think it was Cardinal Tate at six

23:11and everything. I like Cardinal Tate. Do I think he's the top seven player in this class? Not necessarily. Now I have a great day. So some of the other guys ahead of them. I think you make this swing at Monroe Freeling, the tackle from Georgia, six, seven, three, fifteen. He's got the past protection prowess, the lateral movements, these are athlete young man with great arm length and wingspan, I think 34 and some change on the arm. He's got development to strengthen. So you know, some are adding a little bit of weight, getting up to three 20, maybe three two, a little bit more functional strength or to his body to his frame and mass. But this is a guy that absolutely has the chops to play left tackle and to be that past protectors. And that's the one thing. The Browns have a lot of extensive work on the offensive line this off season. Now getting that future left tackle, even if they bring back, you know, they have the one Jones. If you want to let him play the left tackle spot early, that's fine, right? Let them guys battle like we can't I think it's a lot. I'd rather go with the high upside situation of freeing and then getting the receiver at

24:13twenty four. When the go wild receiver, because this is a deep class, resident trying to take a card on a tape and then hoping that there's a tackle, a left tackle worthy. It's not a ton of left tackles in this class. And I don't want to pigeonhole myself in the taking somebody that I wouldn't want starting at the left tackle spot as a rookie. So I think my my concern here is with free laying when we kind of initially started talking about him. He was more in that second round, you know, late first round kind of mold. And now he's kind of been pushed up the board seemingly because he seems to be the only left tackle or true left tackle in this class. And one of the big knocks is he's so raw. He might not be willing to play or sorry, be ready to play in year one or at least early in year one. And that's kind of I'm like trying to remember other times where anyone's taking a top six pick and then just kind of sad, I will see you in a year. Yeah. He's not even somebody I feel like you have to sit though. And the reason why I'm all about, if you're going to take a young tackle, it's paramount

25:17to have veteran, a veteran guard on the inside as his bumper, right? Because now he has, he doesn't have to worry as much about guarding both inside and outside leverage as much. If you're dealing with somebody like, I mean, heck, you go back to the Ravens, right? And how they had Daniel Fowley playing right guard, you're right tackle struggling because he can't just set outside. If he gets beat inside, he knows he doesn't have help. He doesn't have anybody to help recover in that situation. I think getting a Zion Johnson will be able to help kind of settle him in and knowing that hey, I have help on the inside. But I think just with the tools of this young man, again, do you, are you going to deal with some of the bumps and bruises, right? You think about Will Campbell with the Patriots and up until the point he got hurt, like when he got hurt and then the injury was pretty bad for what I was so at the combine, that's why he didn't play up to par, come post season, but they live with the ups and downs of him and they took him high. And he was kind of an outlier, right, with the short arms and everything like that.

26:20I look at Monroe Freely and I say, I'd rather get this young man at six. If it's me, I trust my old line coach, I trust my coaches on the staff to get him up to speed to know the protection calls to know what we're doing, the, the ins and outs of our offensive line group, get those guys communication and synergy there and watch him just truly develop throughout the season. I think for them, it's a clear situation. If you don't take quarterback at all in this draft or you don't take them early in round one, you're planning to allow things to pan the play out and the panel for guys to take steps to develop. And then you look at that 2027, if it should door or the Sean doesn't give you enough flashes or enough stability and consistency. So I was still taking them at six and I said, if you wanted to let the one Jones and him battle on camp fine, but if it's close, I'm rolling with the rookie. Is Jordan Tyson's draft stock sliding? Um, I think it is just because of the injuries and teams get weary with that. Um, you know, I talked to a scout after the combine and said, Hey, what's the medical

27:20look like? And I was told the medicals came back clean, you know, for everybody who doesn't know back in 22, 22, 23, he told us to believe it was ACL, NCL, LCL, it was a couple of the CLs. That's the only thing I've done. Um, and you tore it and, um, and they kept them out. Most of it was like, I think 22 kept them out most of 23 when he transferred out of Colorado to Arizona State and everything. And, um, you know, I talked to the sky about it. I said, how do you, how do you feel about it overall? He said, I'm still taking them top 15. He's like, he's still an outstanding talent. He's arguably the most talented receiver in this class. He said, but you have to, you have to weigh that in in terms of, do I take it, take them at with a top 10 pick? So for him, you know, in the reports of, and the reports of the injury, the hamstring still playing a part right now for him, um, and he might not work out or he's not planning on being able to work out of this Friday at the pro day. That is tough. You know, that's tough. And I think for teams, you're going to be like, Hey, maybe once you get a bit closer to, uh, to the draft, you, you try and get a, a private workout because I think avia

28:24on Tarell, the corner of the star quarter for climps and he tweaked his hamstring during, uh, I think testing at the combine, he wasn't able to work out the climps and his pro day, but he told them I could do a private workout for scouts and for teams. So, um, I think you just thought we'll fall a little bit just because of the injuries. And there's nothing consistent with the hamstring this year. This, that's one that, that for me, it's lingering right now because we, we praise guys for being warriors and now he's being hurt for being a warrior. In that Texas tech game, he tweaked that hamstring early. He refused to come out. He's the reason they won the game on that last minute drive with two huge catches catching run, setting them up again in the low red zone to be able to convert. You know, I think he also, he also got called or he got a DPI called on the, on the corner, which would have, he was on a target, I believe, on the last, on like the touchdown pro. And got him, got him the ball and got the one, or whatever case, being the end of scoring and winning that game versus Texas tech. I think that was their only regular season loss in everything. Then they kind of, he took like three games off, like trying to, like get better.

29:26I felt like he rushed himself back. And now we're seeing kind of a culmination of all of that. Like, hey, maybe if he doesn't return, you know, we've seen players do it all the time, guys, like they get hurt mid to late season, like, hey, I'm packing it in. I'll get ready for the draft. I see you guys at the combine in my pro day. He tried to come back and then he tweaked it again. So that's probably why it's lingering right now on the, that's the case. And the players are beginning during training. Yeah, that's tough. And I do think his stock will, I don't think he falls out around one. But could this be a will Johnson situation from last year? Absolutely. All right, Damien, I know you're a fan of the idea of Casey Concepcion to the Browns there with pick 24. I'm going to just be up front here. I saw Anthony Schwartz run as fast as you possibly could. And he couldn't catch a freaking cold. So when a wide receiver has a knock on him that he can't catch when the word receiver is in the title, I start to get very, very itchy, very, very quickly here. So the knock on Casey Concepcion is he has catch issues.

30:28Do you do you think that is a fair question about him? It is a fair question for sure. It is a fair question to Anthony Schwartz. No, God no. But it is a fair question. And now, I'll say this. So for those who pay attention to the senior bowl, they had a receiver out there from JC from John Carroll University, Tyrone Montgomery. And I had him on the lock in and for draft podcast right after the senior bowl. So last month or so. And he's a former basketball player. He didn't play football at all, like through high school and everything. For my LSU recruit. And I talked to him about how he prepared to catch passes and change from catching a basketball in LA UPS to not even got to catch a football. He said, hey, I went to the jug machine and I caught five to 600 passes a day at 50, 60 miles per hour. I knew if I could catch the ball from the jug machine, I could catch it from my quarterback. And he's got great hands now, right? So the hand catching thing is always something that can be improved. And I think for me, a lot of it was more concentration when it pertains to Casey and everything.

31:29Those are a lot easier than just, hey, I don't have natural hands. My hand mechanics are awful. I don't think that's the case with Casey Concepcion on. I think this is a guy that can catch the ball. He's got it, but makes some very good combat catches as well. I think it's more just consistency base and everything. So I wouldn't put, I would not put him in to ask me for any, any shorts couldn't run around. So that was the other problem. So it just was a straight line fast guy, but definitely I understand the concerns for sure. And then especially when you have a guy like Jerry Judy on the roster who's also battled drops throughout his career for sure. It definitely raises the eyebrow in that sense. But I definitely will feel comfortable with Casey Concepcion back around one Omar Cooper Jr. out of Indiana. A guy that has very secure hands, not as fast or explosive, but can do a lot of everything, play the Z, play the slot, run after catch. There'll be some receivers at 24 that I believe will be there that the Browns could absolutely take advantage of. Jamie and great stuff, buddy.

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37:36taking somebody that I wouldn't want starting at the left tackle spot is working. Damien Parson locked on NFL draft and bleacher report in the previous segment. Interesting. Between that and then him kind of talking about Monroe Freeling being week one ready or not, I think we've reached a point where I have no, I think I'm really, really afraid of Monroe Freeling at six. Oh, really? That's interesting. It's funny because between Jordan Tyson and Monroe Freeling, the two that we've kind of locked in on in many ways, it feels like the last week, not very good for either one of them. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. So Jordan Tyson reportedly has this great fall that's happening in the draft. He's not going to do the pro day, obviously, and that's then there's some aggravated injury that continues to pop up. And meanwhile, Monroe Freeling, it does not matter real concerns about his NFL readiness, how strong he is and like overall, all right, there's, he's got a high ceiling, but what's the chance that he actually hits that ceiling?

38:38Those things have not deterred him, but by God, you have a couple injury concerns and see in the second round. Yeah. Well, it's what Monroe Freeling has going for himself that obviously Jordan Tyson doesn't is the idea that we don't have a lot of left tackles. Yeah. And so he's got, it's very nice if you're Monroe Freeling, you have a commodity and something that a lot of people want. And when they just don't have enough of those guys out there right now, a lot of people are copying him out to like Ronnie Stanley, basically similar size, athleticism, everything else. It's like, well, Ronnie Stanley, I mean, that worked, but that took four years to work. Yeah. I guess if he's Ronnie Stanley, I can live with him at the six pick. Yeah. Right. If he's Colton Miller, I probably can't. Yeah. And that's what makes, makes us hard too, right, is that we're just giving him everyone the very best. What's up with the eyes? Oh, Mac is a big Colton Miller Stan and that's why he's been pushing Monroe Freeling on Cleveland. And so I had to give him a dirty look there on top of the fact that he is an it's going as asked by me in the bracket challenge. Mac, do I defend yourself?

39:40I mean, again, I think that Colton Miller actually has turned out to be a better NFL left tackle at this point and has actually developed into one of the better left tackles at this point. See? So better. Okay. Yes. I'm putting him up there. He's still playing up up there with whom? Putting him in the top 10. Give me the other nine best left tackles in the NFL seems like a hard exercise. I mean, Trent Williams is up there for sure. I like that he's trying though. I like that you know, I don't know that you're going to get more than three names deep on this. Yeah, but I like that you're at least going for it. You still have, you have Joe Alt over there at left tackles as well. Do you have him over there? Yeah. Injured and all last year. Yeah. Still one of the best one of the best tackles that are out there. And then also you still have Garrett Bulls that came up with Denver this past season as well. I'm waiting for him to throw to Juan Jones in there. I just was trying to get names. Okay. T. Lovison. There we go. Okay. Okay. So you got three. Colton Miller's there. So you got four. Yeah.

40:41Give me the fifth one. No. I appreciate you jamming up here on a Monday. That's fair. That's fair. As I told you. No way. What was your list though? Can you repeat your list one more time? Because there's a reason for this. I just want to see how many actually hit the top 10 in PFF. I said Trent Williams. I said. That's one. I also mentioned Garrett Bulls in there as well. I Garrett Bulls was. He hit it. Okay. All right. Yeah. Tristan Worf's number two. Where are we tonsils? Number four. Andrew Thomas. Bulls. Derrissal. We're Sean Slater. Charles Cross. Paris Johnson Jr. I mean Charles Cross just got paid. You didn't remember him. As a high level pass protector right there. Mack. Guy only won a Super Bowl with no big deal. But I am just jamming the up. I'm aware. I like the idea that someone's in their car, like trying to play along with this game of like, how many two weeks? What are we doing here? So Monroe Freelings scares a crap out of me. Yeah. I think it does matter. Like I think if you're going to be a top 10 pick or a top 15 pick. Yeah. I should expect you to play week one and play regular relatively

41:43well. And if you the longer you don't start, the more questions I'm going to have about your ability to actually start the NFL. I mean, he reminds me of like the Tyson Simpson discussion. He's just the he's the left tackle version of that where it's like I there's not much prospecting out for year one. I think about it. He might go six overall Nick and people all they all they can say about him is that he's very good with run blocking. They don't even know if he can pass protect. That's not really what he was set up to do or what really he's done at a at a really high rate. Now, if I'm afraid about the different narratives around Monroe Freelings. Yeah. Guys, wait to hear. Well, I feel about Casey Concepts. The young who Damien Parson. I did talk a little bit about my big four is Cardinal tape, McIleman, Jordan Tyson and I have Casey Concepts. The on I think all four of those guys have capabilities of being the one. It just depends on the offense and how much structure, right? We've seen why ever ones look completely different. We've seen the Jamar Chases. We've seen the Mike Evans. We've seen it Julian Edelman's and Danny M. Endola's and Wealth Welkers. We've seen the different archetypes.

42:44So it all depends on where you envision your one. So for me, you think about the Browns. Todd Munkin has a lot of success with Zay flowers. So I know a lot of Brown friends like, Hey, we must take Cardinal tape or someone that ticks right now. This offensive line is the voice of a left tackle. Like a true left tackle for the future. You can probably give you can get Casey Concepts young at 24. He can be that Zay flowers for you. But he also gives you someone to say that outside that zero receiver spot with the dynamicism and route running the bill to be man versus man and press coverage. This is a very talented why receiver that you don't have to take inside the top 12 fix. Sometimes when I hear people say, Oh, he can be your version of, you know, player X. That feels cliché to me. Now the where Damien's right on this is this is how NFL teams think. Oh, I had Zay flowers in Baltimore. I want to find my Zay flowers. My big concern with Casey Concepts young is the knock on his ability to catch. And this goes all the way back by the way to NC State where he started his career.

43:47Those and people have kind of chalked it up to confidence issues. Well, okay, maybe that's easier than he just has stone hands. The problem is how much more confident you get at the NFL every step gets a different level. I don't know what I can do with catch issues. If this is a real thing in the NFL for Casey Concepts young. Yeah, but his top end speed is very good. And you know that monkeys just going to think as a flowers the entire time. If that's the comp, he's going to look at it and he's going to say to himself, I can I can do something with that. And so yeah, I would definitely say he's in play for the Browns here at 24. We just get a receiver that can catch. I know he's not Anthony Schwartz and that was unfair. You don't want David and Joku with the the the jugs machine in his living room. You don't want that again. No, no, I if the name receiver. I like that. I like that. Damien though was like, yeah, you know, I he's any of these guys can just learn how to catch. It's like, I don't know that that's true. I don't know that that's I think we got a lot of evidence to suggest otherwise. Guys, it's struggle. Can't just I don't know catch 500 balls and all of a sudden be cured of not being able to catch football.

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