Full Show Podcast: 08 September 2026

0:00The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions, get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis. Heather Dupelese Allen Drive with one New Zealand award a New Zealand's best mobile network, Newstalk ZB. Afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today as we predicted the bad tax as being replaced with money from the international visitor levy for the regional councils. We're going to speak to the minister about that. We're going to go to a reporter in the Rotorua on the news of a man charged over three deaths and yet another mind faces yet another protest this time it's the Stockton Minds who will go to Westport for that. Heather Dupelese Allen Hey, why? You think Wellington doesn't have enough problems already let me tell you about the new one. Wellington Zoo. Wellington Zoo needs $14 million for the lion pen. It is urgent, it is not something that can be deferred. Wellington City Council needs to cough up the money. So Wellington Zoo may not be a going concern as early as mid next year, which means that Wellington Council will have to cough up again.

1:02And it will probably the zoo be indeficit to the tune of a quarter of a million dollars next year and then deficit the following year and then indeficit the following year and who knows what happens after that. The problem is Wellington City Council doesn't have money, it doesn't have money for the essentials like poo pipes. And Wellington homes are already paying some of the highest rates in the country to the extent that pensioners are thinking about selling up their houses because they cannot afford the rates anymore. And to that extent, to the extent that depending on who you talk to, the rates are also killing business. The commercial rates are killing some of Wellington's businesses now. So Wellington City Council does not have money for the lions. And there is something really weird going on with the way that Wellington Zoo is run. Despite its revenue per visitor actually being the highest in the country, it outstrips all clin zoo. And it's Council subsidy. The money they have to put in for every visitor going in is four times what Auckland Council puts. And Auckland Council puts in five bucks. Wellington Council puts in 21 bucks. The cost per species is considerably more than an Auckland zoo, Hamilton Zoo or in Christ

2:04George. Now the problem of course is Wellington Zoo cannot close. Like that is not really an option is it because modern cities have zoos and for very good reason, which is that the kiddies love them. I hate them, but the kids love them. So I took the kids to Auckland Zoo on Saturday to see the Tasmanian devil in the ostrich and it was apparently the highlight of the weekend. But I think Wellington City Council, because it can't close the zoo down has to be brutal. It will have to always put money in because most zoos in the country require subsidies, but it should demand from the zoo in a way that it hasn't clearly up to now, that its finances are turned around and that all commercial opportunities are explored because that line enclosure will not be the last expense. And you cannot justify spending money on entertainment like zoos when you are not spending enough money on waste water plants so that raw poo flows into the sea. Heather Dupelese Allen. 9292 is the tech number we will discuss with the Huddlest with us now. Labour's outlined their climate policy today. It looks like they will not be charging farmers for emissions and they want to mix up the

3:05ETS because that's clearly not working and to talk that through we have, can you believe it the Labour leader, Chris Hipkins, Elochipy? Good, I hear the how are you? Very well, thank you. It's good to have you on the show. Now why are you not putting the farmers in the ETS? We want to reduce emissions from farming but we want to do that in the easiest way possible. So there's new technology coming on stream. A farmer can reduce their emissions by using new technology to reduce the amount of synthetic fertiliser that they're using to use irrigation more effectively in a more targeted way. Then we want to work with farmers to make that happen. A price should only be a last mechanism. You know, it's your backstop. It's the thing that you do if everything else fails. There are other ways of achieving the goal. When did you guys release Hairwacker Eccanor, which was Labour and the Greens big policy for putting the farmers into the ETS essentially? When did that happen? I think it might have been in the first term that we're in government. So it would have been between 2017 and 2020. Okay, so let's say it was around about 2019 because that kind of rings a bell for me. What technology has come on stream since 2019 that is such a game-changer you don't have

4:08to do this anymore? Well, there's vaccinations. So if you look at some of the stuff that's happening around vaccination and boluses that can significantly reduce the emissions that are coming from cows, that's for technology. That's actually being developed with funding from our government. We've put money into do that. There's new technology being more widely deployed like halts of collars, for example, that are making a real difference to the effectiveness of farming. They can get much greater productivity. They can reduce the amount of synthetic fertiliser they're using. New technology around the probes that they're putting in around how they use irrigation is also making a bit different. So there are new technologies, the AGRI-0, which we fund it as a government. Coming up with quite a lot of innovation in that area. And I think, well, I want to back that. That methane vaccine is that good to go? It's very close. It's very, very close. So they've had some very, very successful results. The point I'm trying to get to is that there's actually nothing significant that has changed.

5:08Since 2019, so this is just basically you guys realising this is politically never going to fly, is it? Well, it's not just that. It's also, we went through the whole here with a rocket economic process. And it would have been very, very difficult to implement a farm gate price on methane emissions. So we went through that whole process. It actually would have been very difficult to pull it off, even if any government had decided to go ahead with it. Why'd you do it then? Well, look, that was all done before. I tried, became the leader of the Labour Party, I inherited that one. And that was one of the things that I was looking very closely at before the election. Welcome to Reality. Welcome to Reality. What a work. No, it wouldn't have. Thank you. Welcome to Reality, and joining the rest of us. Now, what is your plan with the ETS? You want to lift the carbon price, do you? No, we want to make sure that we're not trying to plan a whole lot more pine trees on productive land, because that's what the ETS is driving at the moment. We've got to reduce our emissions overall. We're not going to offset our way out of things by basically planting pine trees on what is otherwise very productive farm when growing land.

6:10We've actually got to, you know, change that time there, make. We can't just plant pine trees everywhere. Yeah, so how do you do that, though? Do you lift the carbon price? Well, in time, the problem is at the moment, if the carbon price goes up, all that's going to do is result in even more farm land being swamped with pine trees. The National Party, for a long time, have been aiming to lift the carbon price. So there's not something that's new. It's been a longstanding goal of successive governments that over time, the carbon price will rise. That's how you actually bring down emissions. The National Party, when they say they want the ETS to do the heavy lifting, to do the heavy lifting, that means over time the carbon price goes up. But at the moment, if the carbon price goes up, as long as forestry is still in there, as long as exotic forests, like pine trees are still in there, it's not going to solve the problem, it's just going to result in more pine trees being planted. Now, should be, I watched your press conference after your big climate speech today, and I thought, geez, you look bummed out. Like, you look really flat. Is that because of how crap the polling is? No, not at all. We're feeling pretty pumped up and ready for a very vigorous election campaign.

7:13What do you put that down to? How crap the polling is? Oh, I look at the National Party, I've been telling a lot of lies about the Labour Party. We'll be pushing back more firmly on that, and we will be talking a lot more about what we are going to do. So, you'll see more policy announcements coming from us. I hear that. People want to hear more about what we're going to do instead, and we're going to be telling you a lot more about that. I reckon you're on track to... I don't know. I reckon 25. I reckon 25 would be a good result for your November 7. What do you think? Yeah, look, you shouldn't listen to the National Party's pollsters quite so much. I'm not. I'm just going with my gutton, you know, women's intuition, etc. Where do you think you end up? I think we're going to do significantly better than that, and we're going to be in the government after the November release. New Zealanders want change. New Zealanders want change. They know we can't afford three more years of this. Look at the mist in making in the health system. People are literally dying in hospital immediately. Look, I agree with you. Your sentiment is right, New Zealanders want change, but I don't think they want change to you.

8:13There's your problem. Well, we've got plenty of campaigning ahead of us. You know, it's our opportunity to convince New Zealanders that we can deliver the change that we do. We can fix the crisis in our health system. We can make practical changes that will help Kiwis with the cost of living, and we can get the country back to work. National wants to cut 9,000 more jobs. There's going to be a huge economic impact for that. We can't afford three more years of this government. Now, Chippy, why has it been so hard for us to get you on the show in the last week? What's going on? I'm just a busy person here, but I'm always happy to come on your show when the people are laughing. What are these meetings? What kind of like total silence secret meetings were you and yesterday, you couldn't even take your phone in, so your press stick couldn't even text you and ask if you could come on the show? Well, look, I've plenty of meetings here there, and when I'm available, I suddenly have it to come on the show. Do you not take your phone into meetings? Oh, generally when I'm meeting with people, I pay attention to them rather than sitting there on my phone. Well, I suppose that's quite polite.

9:14Chippy, thank you, and I appreciate you coming on the show today. Chris Hopkins, Labour Party leader. Peter Blandys, really quickly, just an update. What did you think? Was there worse than from Chippy? I quite enjoyed that. I like Chippy, as Nuttie has ideas are, some of them. I quite like having a little chat with him from time to time. Peter Blandys, really quickly, has basically confirmed that the Warriors are going to be forced to move to Eden Park for week three. He said, I'd say you'd be 90% sure that we'll be going to Eden Park for week three, and we've discussed it with the club. They would like to stay at Mount Smart, but they realise that if all goes to plan, they're going to have a massive audience and they'll be accommodated for Eden Park. So basically what happens is week one, if they win, they get to rest week two. So if you've got tickets for Mount Smart this weekend, it could be the last time. If they win, it's the last time you're seeing them at Mount Smart for the rest of the season. 17 past four. It's the Heather Dupesie Alan Drive full show podcast on I Heart Radio, powered by News Talk ZB. You can hear it in Hopkins's voice. He's flat.

10:14He's deflated sounds like a flat tie. Go and look if you can be bothered. Go and have a look at footage from the press conference today. He looks so flat. And the problem with Chippy is we've known him too long, so we can see it when he's deflated. Oh no, I don't think I've seen him that deflated in a very long time. 20 past four. Sport with Generate. Putting performance first. Generate kiwi saver dot code on Enzad. Yes, he watergrave host of sports talkers with us. Hey, Dars. Hey, how you doing? Yeah, I'm good mate. So Liam Lawson, he's got the seat. Yeah, he has Isaac had just still that hairline fracture as an expanded and turned into a canyon. But they're afraid of that. So he's not going to be running in Madrid, interesting old racist week. He no one knows it's going to happen. It's a learning track for everybody. So we hope that Liam Lawson after a pretty average time at Monza. I mean, he got rolled by his partner in the form of Max Fisch Steppen. We try to help him out and crash into someone. Hit the start from the back of the grid underwhelming experience at Monza.

11:14But Madrid, this is going to be very interesting circuit. And he's a pretty quick learner as Liam Lawson. So a lot of responsibility on him not to stick it into the scenery of the wall or any other drivers as well. But really please for him and the Lawson family that they get another crack. Yeah, cool. Hey, are you at Warriors Training? Well, I was at Warriors Training. And now I'm in Peter's Uber with Billy and Kobe and Corbin. And we'll just come back from the lovely boys. I love it boys. I get the other boys was Dell and running. Is he going to be playing? No, well, I wasn't he didn't come up to the lounge. We were having interviews were up there. I talked to all the players. They rolled them all out for all the media because they're going to be a percent on grata. As of tomorrow, they'll be hiding them at mountain smart. So they're fully prepped. So we got to chat with a few of the players, you know, talking about this and a bit of that. And I've decided that James Fisher Harris is even scarier in the flesh than he is on the part.

12:15Honestly, he has eyes look straight through. You swear that he's looking at the back here head through your eyeballs and your brain. It's quite extraordinary. But I tried to be as cool as a cucumber. I didn't work but anyway. So I've had lots of little conversations. Lots of players around, including Adam Pompey. I think we're here from Adam Pompey tonight on the show as well. So what's the talk about to big finals week? Good on you mate. Enjoy the Uber ride with the rest of the boys at Stasi Watergrave Sports Talk host for 22. Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at John's Gabb, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never returned from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well the truth is, once Emma realized that she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants,

13:17nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little... Meh. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visitgreenvillesc.com Accountability Analysis Answers Here, what matters? It's Heather Dupesie Allen Drive with one New Zealand awarded New Zealand's best mobile market. New Zealand's best mobile market. Heather, after six years of absolutely screwing farmers over, Labour now wants to be friendly to farmers. What a slimeball. Hey, what do you reckon is worse? What do you reckon is worse? That he walked away from the principal, or that he walked away from the principal, telling you that he's walking away from the principal because when he was going to do the thing they knew that it wasn't going to work? Like that to me is worse, because we didn't say that at the time. We're like, this is not going to work, Cindy.

14:18It's not going to work. Don't do it. It's a bad idea. And they plow down with it until, of course, it didn't work. And now he's emitting the kind of new it all along. Anyone, what can you do about it? That's what it is. The King has shut down, Jesus. Hey, what's hard to be Harry and Megan at the moment? Talk about rejection. King has shut down any hopes that they may have had of resuming royal duties. He sent out a letter to government and military officials in a bit too about, he says avoid doubt or confusion. So he's told them, just told everybody, that the couple are no longer working royals, and that they are not to call Hazard and Mesa, Hazard and Mesa has in her royal highness, their private citizens, which I think probably sucks deeply for them because they love the titles. Especially Megan loves the titles. We're going to have a chat to Victoria Arbiter, after quarter past five she'll tell us what's brought this on. Four, twenty six, can I tell you where I am? I'm in Wellington today. It's actually glorious and welling today. Well impressed. They got off the plane this morning and my breath was frosting and I thought, I forgot how cold it is here in spring.

15:19But now it seems to have warmed up nicely. But that's actually not the best bit about being here. The best bit about being here is if my end New Zealand flight landed, get this, 18 minutes early. 18 minutes early. That's like, that's basically another time zone for end New Zealand, I couldn't believe it. And when I was in, so that's the first win for end New Zealand. That kind of on time performance really, really outdoing themselves. Second thing is, I was in the Koroklub and I went up to the coffee lady, had my cup of tea and I said, can I please have a paper cup to put my cup of tea in? She goes, no, sorry, I've got any paper cups. And the lady next door was trying to do the same thing. They have run out of paper cups in the Koroklub. Such is the demand for people using the paper cups to get on the plane. So when Nichol, obviously everybody heard Nichol make that promise. The boss of End New Zealand, when he was on the show with us and everybody just gone hell for leather getting the paper cups. So I count that up as I was bummed that I couldn't take my tea on the, on the plane. But I thought, no, look at the broader picture. It's a win. We've achieved something because now they're going to tell Nichol we need more paper cups, everybody wants to do it. I knew it. I knew we did.

16:20News is next and then we're off to Australia. Very cool thing with social media happening there. I'm going to tell you about NewsTookZB. Digging deeper into the days headlines. It's Heather Dupesiel and Drive with one New Zealand. Awarded New Zealand's first mobile network, NewsTookZB. Today the thing happened that we all knew was going to happen because we were told this on the show on the day that they cut the bed taxes. This is the government, right? If you cast your mind back, you will remember the chat from Destination Queenstown came on the show and whoopsie. He said, don't worry, the government's going to replace the bed tax money with the international. Visit a levy money, they're going to give us some of that. And sure enough, it was announced today. I have a suspicion that they're going to split it up for various councils depending on what proportion of international visitors go to that council. I still think that some of these councils are going to come up short. So the numbers for Auckland was something like, I think it was like 27 million dollars a year.

17:23This is what they estimated would come in from the bed tax. And over the four years of the international visitor levy, they don't get as much, they do not get 27 million dollars per year over four years. We're going to have a chat to the minister responsible for that Louise Upton who will be with us just after five o'clock. Barry's overstanding by for politics in 10 minutes and it's 24 away from five. It's the world wires on news talks at the drive. Donald Trump has a new target in his sights on his campaign of renaming things. This time he's lulls looking with his with in his own borders. He's proposing to rename the state of New Mexico to New America. Have a listen. President, Mr. Trump posted a photo on social media suggesting he wants to rename New Mexico as New America. No explanation was shared. The White House has not announced an effort to rename New Mexico. And while the president has the power to rename geographic landmarks, such as bodies of water, he does not have the constitutional authority to legally rename states.

18:23That process will have to happen within that designated state. So we'll have to wait and see if the state itself is happy with the change, probably not, and he's probably just trolling them. Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky has said he expects the war with Russia to continue into the winter. Following talks that's their winter, obviously following talks with Donald Trump's top on-boys in Kiev. Of course, while this is all going on, Russia is still amping up its drone strikes on civilian targets in Kiev. I don't have Souther near my home. And now, alarm. It's very dangerous for you now. And stand in the streets, dangerous, go somewhere. We can't stay more than three hours without hair alert. So, yes, it's not just about night. It's about day now, and we don't know just what we can do. BBC is reporting there are at least 13 strikes a day in Ukraine's capital. And finally...

19:23And what feels like a scene out of a sci-fi movie, robots have taken to the streets in Poland to campaign for AI regulation. 30 humanoid and quadruped, quadruped, quadruped, I suppose, like dogs. Robots marched around in circles chanting slogans, carrying flags, and the AFP even interviewed one of them. The protest was organized by democratism, an initiative that wants to launch debate around how AI and robots affect the labour market. So, there we go. If you're a CEO looking to call half your workforce because AI is cheaper just remember even the robots may not want the job. International correspondents with NZI insurance, peace of mind for New Zealand business. Sam Emory-Ozzy correspondents, without a Sam. Good day, Heather. Now, this trial for the men accused of killing those brothers in Mexico. Do we expect this to be run properly? Well, there's plenty of other things surrounding the case. Heather, a judge in Mexico has ordered three accused killers out of his own courtroom. After prosecutors told him witnesses had been intimidated.

20:26So, the three are on trial in Ansonada over the murders of Perth Brothers Jake and Kalim Robinson. And their American friend Carter Road, who was shot dead near the beach, near their campsite in 2024. The prosecutors say two witnesses were approached by people connected to the accused, both are now in witness protection. And while these witnesses gave evidence, men dressed in their bright orange prison jumpsuits were moved to a completely different room. The first witness described being on the beach the night the brothers vanished, hearing a gunshot and running and hiding in a bathroom for half an hour. He says he was then warned afterwards to say nothing. The deceased brothers' parents flew there from Perth to be there. They wanted the accused to see the human consequences in person. The oddities continue with the trial as well. Heather, it's a single judge with no jury and a new judge who is appearing remotely. That was appointed at the last minute after the original judge was in an accident over the weekend. So, plenty more to come at trial resumes at one o'clock tomorrow.

21:26It's expected to run for more than four weeks, but it's, yeah, it's all very strange. You just feel for those families. Yeah, absolutely. Now, what's going on with Leather and the sports rorts? Yes, the pork barreling back in the headlines here. We love a bit of pork barreling here in Australia. It's more than $400 million from a $560 million grants program that seemingly went to labor seats. And the program was invitation invitation only. So, that's a finding from the Centre for Public Integrity. It's stating that community groups could not put a hand up. They had to be chosen first and the government hasn't quite explained who did the choosing and how they came to assess them all. The example that might sting the most to Heather is the $6 million for a golf club in the Prime Ministers own electorate. Well, other clubs in federal seats are saying they were never even asked. Of course, it's not illegal, but there's strict rules and card lines for obvious reasons. The Infrastructure Minister in charge of it all says that the projects were tested for value for money.

22:26And the Ministers cannot sign off in their own seats. And they obviously followed longstanding practice. But I think you might have hit the nail on the head there, Heather. You might remember Labor spent years hammering the Coalition over sports rots and the Coalition front bencher who's leading the attack on all of this. Bridget McKenzie, who resigned over sports rots. Oh, wow. What a surprise. Hey, thank you very much. Sam is always it's good to talk to you mate. Sam Emory, Aussie correspondent, 19-year-old. Do Pussy, Alan. So, oh, by the way, update on Erin Patterson, the mushroom chef who killed her in laws with the beef Wellington. She's going on her Zimpek. Going on her Zimpek while in jail on the taxpayer's expense. Obviously, it's been approved by the authorities. The reason for it is that she's got a bit chunky. Because she spends up to 23 hours a day alone. And I'm not making light of this because this would be rough. But she spends 23 hours a day in herself by herself, basically, not exercising. And so she's got a bit big. Probably a good idea to give her the air's impact. What I would say though is this is why the boys in jail start doing the dumbbells and jumping on the spot and doing star jumps and stuff.

23:32If she wanted to, where there's a world there's a way. Now, anyway, Elbow, she could have just tried eating some of that beef Wellington. That probably shared the pounds for her. Elbow has confirmed that they will allow the law that he's about to pass on the social media. He's unveiled it today. It's the digital duty of care laws. It will allow people to opt out of social media algorithms. This is kind, it's been suspected that this is what the law will do for a while. But he's confirmed. And if the social media guys do not abide by the law, then they'll be fined up to $100 million. Now, once again, the problem with a law like this is Mark Zuckerberg is bigger than a government. And so he can look at Elbow. He's just looking straight in the face and go, I don't really care what you thought. We're just going to pump the algorithms at the people. So whatever. But if it works, if Zuckerberg does undo the algorithms, mate, how good would this be? Go onto your Facebook and have a look at the crock that you're being served at the moment. It's the it's the it's the death of social media. What's going on there at the moment and just how crap it's become. Same thing is happening on Facebook.

24:32Same thing is happening on Twitter. Same thing is happening on Instagram. It used to be that you kind of had some control over it. You could choose who you were seeing and what was going on. Click on people's feeds and it would feed to you. Go have a look now. I just went before had a look. One post from a friend overseas followed immediately by an ad for some weird exhibition of recreated ship interiors. Since when am I interested in recreated ship interiors? I think it's because I mentioned the other day a documentary about the Titan. You remember the Titan that went down and exploded because it was going to look at the Titanic? I think that they heard that. The Facebook and then they were like, she's into ship interiors, give her an ad. But I had one post from a friend before I got that ad. Then I got a bit of news which I am interested in. But then I got Matilda Green immediately modeling a dress. An ad again, not my jam. I don't like dresses. Then I got some news. Then I got another ad for deadly pony shoes. Then I got some news from New Zealand first. Then I got another ad for Wiggles Kids shoes. Then I got a friend. Then I got another ad. I just went on like that. I don't even like your t-shirt. Actually it was not bad. But I don't want to buy your t-shirt.

25:33This is the problem is that they're feeding us this stuff with the algorithm, which is ruining the experience for us. In the end, I'm happy because I'm better off off it. But if you're enjoying it, you'll be pleased. If you like the face-y and you want to enjoy the face-y, you'll be pleased to be free of that algorithm which is ruining everything. Anyway, Barry Soap is with us next quarter too. Politics with Centrics. Credit check your customers and get payment certainty. Listen, after five o'clock I'm going to get you to Rotaro. We've got a reporter standing by to give us the latest on this man appearing in court over the deaths of the three people there overnight. Right now, 13 away from five Barry Soapa. Senior political correspondence with us, hey Barry? Good afternoon Heather from a beautifully fine Wellington day. No, you're not in Wellington mate. Auckland I mean. You were bragging about Wellington. Yeah, no, once again you've gone back to your Halcyon days, which were all in Wellington. And I recall you mate Rob Moldon was still alive at the time. So the IVL, entirely predictable, right? This has happened. Well yes it is, you know, no new taxes.

26:35This is a levee, it's the International Visitor levee. And of course that'll be doled out to councils rather than a bed levee. And the argument that the government always used was that that bed levee was a tax on Kiwis. So what they'll do is they'll use visitor data for the year, ending June this year. And it calculates that the Auckland Council would receive about 22.5% share of the 86 million dollars, which will be spent over the next year. That'll be about 19 million bucks. And the other big levee area will be the Queenstown Lakes District Council. They'll receive the second hire, it's about 20% or 17 million. And already our old mate Wayne Brown who loved the bed tax said that Auckland will be short-changed to the tune of about 8 million dollars. So he's not happy with it, but he should be happy that at least he's getting something.

27:39Yeah, because of course that was always an option. What do you make of Shane Jones spending this gas money on unperfectly wealthy corporations? It's quite provocative isn't it really when you think about it? This is the gas security fund that was established in last year's budget and addresses essentially declining domestic revenues and to shore up energy, the energy infrastructure. Well, you know, it's quite a lot of money, 200 million bucks he's got to doll out. He says that he'll be doing it before the election. And like you said, Todd Energy, they'll get almost 23.5 million bucks, basically for drilling projects and converting wells in Taranaki. And others will get money in the areas. Well, he's named a few others, the existing McKee, Tareeke Well. They'll have access to gas in the deeper reservoir in the Taranaki.

28:41So Todd itself will be spending money 10 million bucks. But the man who covers the country's Prime Minister ship Chris Hopkins, he says, he's not happy with his old colleagues Jones being so gung-how about fossil fuels spending this close to an election. The current government signing up the New Zealand government for contracts with the fossil fuel industry in the final couple of months before a general election, when this is clearly an election issue, is recklessly irresponsible. The National Party in government said that they were going to have new oil and gas exploration. Instead they're now subsidising gas fields to eke out the last little bits of gas that they've got. This is an election campaign. He should respect the will of the voters and not try and tie the hands of a future government. Well, you know, Labour's firmly committed, they say, to reinstating the ban on new offshore oil and gas explorations if they're reelected or if they're elected. Labour has indicated, though, that it won't proactively cancel or revoke any existing exploration permits.

29:44So the permits that Jones is signing up to at the moment, they will presumably stay in place if there is a change of government. Okay. What do you make of the public servants walking off the job tomorrow? Well, look, it's pretty unusual that you have a nationwide strike at this close to an election, but clearly they're fired up. They believe that there will be almost 10,000 public servants across the country. They'll be striking for what they say as their respective collective agreements. That'll be tomorrow, of course. Those working at the Ministry of Social Development, MBE, the Department of, well, it's so many departments. The Department of Internal Affairs, the NEMA, the Ministry of Ethnic Communities, they'll all go out, walk off the job. So, you know, it's going to cause a lot of disruption, but they say, look, they want the government to listen to them and note out they will be listening, but whether they achieve their means with this government is another matter.

30:54Yeah, Barry, thank you very much. Really appreciate your time. Enjoy Wellington. Barry Sucker. Senior political correspondent, eight away from five. Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at Jones Gabb, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never returned from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye.

31:54Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit GreenvilleSC.com. My name is Shannon Maldonado. I'm the founder of Yowie, a gift shop from the lens of artists and handmade objects. I chose Shopify because when I was testing other platforms, it was definitely one of the most user-friendly. It was important to me to think about where we would be in the future. All of the tools for reading your sales like planning inventory. You're just right there on your dashboard. For anyone starting a small business, the biggest thing I can tell you is it doesn't have to be perfect. Shopify can help you build upon it. Start your free trial on Shopify.com. It's the Heather Dupesie Allen Drive Full Show podcast on I Hard Radio, powered by News Talk ZB. Fearless, focused, informed. It's a my-kosking breakfast. For the money from the $200 million dollar gas security funders about to flow, Todd Energy is going to get $23.5 million for a couple of projects in Terranaki, Shane Jones is in charge of all of this and he's back with us.

32:55The Supreme Court of the UK last November, December made a decision and made it incredibly difficult in New Zealand for us to use our indigenous gas resources unless we go through an ideological jungle to our officials who guided us through that. The 20-patterd jewels is that real or a hope? If I can only go on what we told geologically and there's both the potential and the product of that as an upper limit. Back tomorrow at 6am, the my-kosking breakfast with Range Rover News Talk ZB. Oh dear, Heather the Ministry of Ethnic Affairs are walking out tomorrow. Who will notice? I know. It's the same as when the Ministry of Women go on strike. I don't know if you've noticed but my pay starts decreasing immediately. Gender pay gap just opens right up in those hours when they're away, doesn't it? No, it doesn't. So I can bug her off and not have their jobs anymore. I'm sorry to say it's happened again. I'm going to get used to it. Radio here has announced a tour of Australia and they have no plans to come here. And it's a significant tour. It's not like Taita, where she goes, well how many concerts does she do? It was only a smattering A.

34:01But it's not like they've got a massive rig I would imagine. It would be a reasonable size rig but it's not so big that you can only go to one place. They are going 16 dates in May next year. They're going to Perth for four gigs. They're going to Melbourne for six gigs at the arena there and then six in Sydney. And not to us. And I mean, I think you'd be a fool. You'd be a mug to sit there going. No, no, that don't worry. They just haven't announced it yet. You need to make your mind up now. Are you going to Melbourne or Sydney? Because you're going because it's radio head. It's a long time between drinks for radio head and they were seminal. If you're prepared to travel for Harry Styles, which is me, then you absolutely have to be prepared to travel for Tom York because he's a moment as well. We've got another crack at her coming off the central contract. This is Mark Chapman now. He's going to go to the Aussie big bascially. But before you freak out about it, he's only signing a one year contract, which I think means that he is still available to come back and play in the NZ 20 win that kicks off, which is our T20.

35:02The proposed T20 competition, the private one when that kicks off at the start of 2028. So it's now fin Allen, Locky Ferguson, Adam Milntom, Seifert, and Mark Chapman, who are also all of them on the casual contracts. Like I said, remember when it first happened? I want to say I want to own this. When it first happened, I told you it was going to become normal tonight. Now it is. Here they're at the weekend. I started getting ads on Facebook for skittles. I was like, what the hell? I was home by myself and there was a bag of skittles on my coffee table. The only way the algorithm could have picked that up as if it had access to my phone's camera pretty weird. Has access to your phone's camera, doesn't it Shannon? Those are eating the skittles. Right, Louise, upston next on giving the money to the councils instead of the bed tax. Newstalk ZB. The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions. Get the answers, find the facts, and give the analysis. Heather Dupel-Cie Allen Drive with one New Zealand award a New Zealand's best mobile network. Newstalk ZB. Good afternoon. As predicted on the show, the government has today announced that councils will have the money replaced that they lost through the axed bed tax.

36:09It will be from the international visitor, which is a tax paid by foreign tourists and the tourism minister is Louise, upston, high Louise. Hello, Heather. How are you distributing the money? Yes, so really importantly, what we will be doing with the reset of the IBL is distributing more to councils. Well, actually they haven't had funding from this pathway before. And it means as the international visitor numbers grow, so will the amount that is given to councils to fund tourism and conservation in their areas. It will start with 86 million going up to 106 million over the four years. And it will be divvied up based on their share of the international guest nights that they have in their area. So if Queensland gets a lot of people from overseas, which obviously it does, it will get more than for example, I don't know, let's say in the cargo. Correct. So Auckland's about 20% so they will get the relevant share for the area and the same with Auckland, but they've got different needs for what they will use that funding for and that's up to them.

37:24Does Auckland get more money from the IBL through the way that you're doing it than it would have got from the bed tax? Well, the difficulty is the policy work in detail hadn't been worked through on a bed tax. So there is no definitive amount that had been determined this way. They will get funding from the first of July next year, whereas a bed tax would have been at least May 29 before they got any funding. And the best part about this is key ways won't be taxed any time they stay in a hotel or motel or campground in New Zealand, which is what the bed tax would have done. So they, I think I recall them saying they would have got something like $27 million a year from the bed taxes at about right? Well, I think that's the figure they've talked about, but as I said, there was no policy work done, no agreement around how a bed tax would work. But if they were to talk about, you know, these numbers are always plucked out of the near for the most part.

38:27But if you're right, then we're looking at about 104 million, 108 million something like that over four years and you're giving them 86 million. So they are coming up a bit short, hey? Not Auckland. The total pool available is 86 million. So Auckland will get about 19 and year one. Yes. So they will increase every year as the international visitor number. Two, is it not? Does it not increase to 86 million over four years? No, 18 or close. Oh, there's two figures. Yes, you're correct. Yes, OK. The total amount that we are going to distribute in year one and Auckland's share of it over the four years. You're right. We'll get up to 80. So they do come up short. Listen, does somebody need to apologise for people being denied help with food because it's not an essential item? No, there's two things. So MSB have for years assisted hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders with food hardship grants. They continue to do that.

39:29There will be some cases where people are declined. If they're happy with that decline, they can appeal that decision. Where there has been an issue in the way in a very small number of cases, 0.1% of food hardship grants. The data has been recorded in a way that's not accurate. That's an operational issue for MSD. They have assured me that they've sorted it out. But the MSD continues to provide hardship grants for people who are in need. And they will continue to do that. All right, good stuff, Louise. Thanks very much. Louise Upsden, tourism minister and obviously social development minister as well. Leaven past five. A woman, a rather a man has appeared in court today following the death of a woman and her two children at a property in the Rotaryville last night. The man has a relationship with the family. Annabelle Reed is a reporter for the Rotaryville Daily Post. Hi, Annabelle. Hello. Is this the father? Oh, police are still investigating, so I can't confirm if it's the father.

40:32A man appeared in the Rotaryville District Court this afternoon, which we understand is related. And he was charged with assaulting a person in a family relationship. He has namespression and three other names people were also given namespression. So that's something I can confirm at this stage. And depending on how this investigation goes, he could obviously be upgraded to homicide because this is a homicide investigation, isn't it? Well, the man is in custody at the moment. And he's set to appear in court on the second of October, but yeah, police are still investigating, so. Yeah. What do you understand, Annabelle, happened? Because what I was told is police got there last night and unfortunately and very sadly, the kids were already dead. So it was alive, but died on the way to the hospital and the ambulance. Is that what happened? Yeah, so two children were found dead at the property and a woman died at the scene.

41:32The scene was described as extremely confronting and traumatic for like all the emergency services responding. And that was at this resident this morning and spoke to neighboring people, which they didn't really know what had happened. Some said they heard and saw a number of police cars arriving last night. Some had been banging loudly on the door and saw a police with torches. They one woman said that she thought that police were at the scene, told about midnight. And later the morning, people I spoke to were still quite unaware of what had happened. And they were discussing it on the street with one another and watching as police carried out their duties. They had like hate measures and markers and drones. But yeah, not many people knew too much, but they were just kind of keen to know and obviously they will know now what happened.

42:35Yeah, all right. Annabelle is pretty confronting. Thank you very much. Mate, look after yourself. Annabelle, read who's the Rotary, a daily post for water. Screamers. Yeah, that do. Now, somewhat happier news. If you missed out on warriors tickets, there is some hope for you. You can still get some warriors tickets on trade me. They've popped up for resale. I'm warning you now, there's a big markup on them, right? So the tickets, so producer Kevin, who had his wife doing it as a birthday present for him, she got five tickets at $65 a piece. She's not resailing them right that she's not, they're not scalping. They needed all five tickets. But $65 a piece. If you go on to trade me, you're going to pay about double that. There is a set of four tickets for sale right now for $510. That's about $130 each. I would say, I mean, apart from the fact that, you know, I don't want to judge people's personal circumstances. Maybe they bought them and then they couldn't go and then they had to fall for them. And that's entirely possible. Maybe they're scalpers and I don't want to reward scalpers, but $130 to be there at Mount Smart for what may be the last game of the season at Mount Smart if they win.

43:38And then them on the past year grand final, just pay it, pay it and go quarter past. It will be absolutely no surprise to you whatsoever that the ETS auction failed today. This is the seventh straight fail in a row. It should be because it should be basically good news then when Labour comes out and goes, we're going to reform these years because clearly the ETS need some reformer if we want to keep the ETS. But because Labour'd have no actual plan and just sent it off to a review, unfortunately, it's not that good news. But there you go. Seventh straight fail. No surprise whatsoever. 518. Now, but a tough news for Harry and Megan King Charles has written a letter to officials in the UK and also the defense force to clarify what the couple's status are. They're private citizens and they are not to be referred to as his and her Royal Highness Royal commentator Victoria Arbiter's with us. Hi, Victoria. Good afternoon to you. Why has he done this? Well, I think really it's a decisive move, but it's one that was necessary because we needed really clear clarification in terms of what the Duke and Duchess of Sussex plans to do moving forward and how they should be viewed and how their engagement should be treated.

44:45So since they arrived back into UK, they've kept a very low profile. Harry was seeing yesterday with photographs at a podcast studio in London. But we've been hearing snippets of information from sources close to them. They've been spoon feeding, favored publication saying they want to ramp up their charity work that Megan wants to rekindle her charitable connections that she had before they left back in 2020. And all of that starts to money the water is a little bit in terms of are they representing the Royal family? Are they there on behalf of the King? And so with this letter, the King has made it very clear that no, they are there for doing their own interest. They do not represent the monarchy or the sovereign himself. Am I reading it right that he has also made it difficult for them to have public money spent on them if they are invited to somewhere and hosted? Well, I think what he's done there is he's being very clear that there shouldn't be any public money spent on them because they are there in a private and personal capacity. So what he has actually said is that is there is any confusion or for the avoidance of doubt that anyone that they are going to visit, if there is a question over public money that they should direct those inquiries to Buckingham Palace.

45:54We have to remember the King saw responsibility, his first responsibility is to protect the institution of monarchy. And certainly when Harry and Megan were in Australia, they were doing all of those royal type engagements. So, war memorials and visiting a children's hospital, sporting engagements. And within minutes, Megan was merchandising the outfits that she was wearing. So that becomes a conflict of interest when we're looking at commercial and charitable interests. So that's why the King has also had to be very clear. If public money is going to be spent, Harry and Megan could not then capitalise on that for their own personal game. So I think it's actually very good that he's given outlets and charitable heads the opportunity to contact Buckingham Palace so that they've got all of the information necessary to make the right decision. Victoria, as always, it is a delight to talk to you. Thank you for your time. That's Victoria Arbiter, royal expert. They think, here's a measure you're going to settle in North Oxfordshire. And this is because Megan's been spotted at the Soho Farmhouse, which is a luxury countryside retreat. She arrived at... This is what they're in for. This is what they're in for. She arrived for an early morning coffee at the Cumpfie Farm Lounge before 9am, where she was introduced to senior staff members by name.

47:03So from here on in, it's basically, she picked her nose and it's in the Daily Mail, isn't it? And this is by the way not even the Daily Mail. I think I read this in the telegraph, which is reasonably upstanding publication. The Cotswold Club is set in 100 acres of countryside and features a luxury spa, 40 discreet guest cabins, an indoor outdoor pool, and is a hotspot for celebrities nearby. They will have the Beckombs, Paul McCartney and his daughter, Jerry Hallowell and Christian Horner. So that's basically everybody funders in it, 521. Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at Jones Gap, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never return from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers, but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well the truth is, once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place,

48:09everywhere else started to seem a little. Meh. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit GreenvilleSC.com. The day's newsmakers talk to Heather. First, Heather Dupesie-Ulland Drive, with one New Zealand awarded New Zealand's best mobile network, News Talks at B. Heather, I just looked on trade me four tickets are currently sitting at $1,400 free shipping though. Well, take the win. Take the win. What's that? $750 each. That's a markup isn't it? It's about six times the price. Three times the price. Oh, six times the price. That's all C. Maths is paying off for me. 524. Now question for you, OK. What is it going to take for us to abandon postal voting? Because surely the revelations that we've got today have got to kill any confidence that you might have had in the way the councils run their voting.

49:19So they all got a tip off that there was more vote rigging in South Auckland at the last council election. So they decided to check it out. Sure enough, one woman who voted, actually did three years before she voted. So on Bowman's way, in Manjaroa, there's a Kāinga order complex at the end of the street. It's got 17 units in it. It recorded 13 votes. Now that puts voter turnout in just that complex there 76%. That's about double what it is around the country. That's ridiculous. That is unlikely. When the herald visited, no residents recalled receiving any ballot papers or voting. So herald went to another one of the units around there. Five votes were recorded. That represents five people. The woman who lives there, her three sisters and her mum, the mum is the dead one. So she obviously didn't vote. And she says the woman, she and her three sisters hadn't voted either. They got no papers. So again, that seems something weird is going on there. And this just goes on and on and on and on in the herald story today. Now I've told you before I've had a similar experience where my friends lived in a flat when we were younger.

50:20That it had previous tenants in it. When the previous tenants papers arrived, my friends thought it was really funny to fill them all out and send them in. And they were actually counted as votes. Nobody would have known. My friends had committed voter fraud. We have got to get rid of a system that had its place 150 years ago. Now I know we don't want to do the electronic voting because we're worried about the Chinese hacking in and committing voter fraud. But right now we are hacking our own system and committing voter fraud and just turning a blind eye to it. Now obviously it is true that it doesn't matter as much as the national elections because it is just council level. But the problem is that councils actually do handle a lot of money and they make some crucial decisions that impact our lives. And sometimes those decisions impact our lives more directly than central government. And this undermines trust in every part of the system from the council up. I think moving to ballot booths is the answer. It's going to cost a lot of money but democracy costs money. And what more proof do you need than a dead woman voting that we've got a big problem? Heather Duplis-D Allen. Hey, you should be doing absolutely nothing tonight, other than watching TVNZ Plus because it's a big night tonight.

51:23Because tonight is the final episode of Colin from accounts on TVNZ. And even the Brits are excited about it. There's a right up in the telegraph. This is the headline. If Colin from accounts doesn't have a happy ending, I'm canceling my license fee. You're protesting in the wrong place. Because the BBC doesn't make it. The Australians do. Anyway, says this. Alas, TV shows need good things to happen while Ash and Gordy work out what viewers have known from the start, which is that the soulmates. And so Colin from accounts results to padding. In series three, series three we get a birthday party, a druggy sex party. That was fun. A work trip and a road trip all in the name of distracting us from the will they won't they. It's never less than delightful. At times it's rather wonderful. But I haven't seen the final episode. Let me say this. If it doesn't lead to Ash and Gordy living happily ever after with a fully alive dog, even a feast disabled. It's okay. Then I will be withholding next year's license fee over to you Colin. Isn't that brilliant? They better get together though. And we're going to find out tonight, aren't we? Because we're all watching. See you there. Aren't we? Right, we're off to stock them to find out what they're problem with the miners. News talks in B.

52:25The name you trust to get the answers you need. It's Heather Dupesie Allen Drive with one New Zealand awarded New Zealand's best mobile network, News Talks at B. Here the police don't tell us tomorrow what happens in Colin from accounts due to other commitments I can't watch it until Friday. Well up to be honest with you. I really want to watch it tonight, but I'm not going to watch it tomorrow night because I've got to go out to dinner. Because I'm in Wellington and I've actually got things to tell you about Wellington, which is which is looking not half bad at the minute. But yeah, I'm not going to tell you tomorrow because I won't know, but now nobody has to tell me tomorrow, which is going to be a task for kid, kid, producer Kevin because he he is absolutely going to smash it tonight. Listen, Jamie the guy is alive. I'm happy to report to you. Jamie has been off air for I think about three weeks with the flu. And he he's not a man who goes down very easily and into his sick bed. So it got him real hard and and I'd heard that he was on a respirator.

53:28And I don't know if that's true or not. And I'd heard that he had almost died and I don't know if that's true or not. But that he was refusing food because he was basically not eating. So that's how bad the flu was. So anyway, those are all rumors and unsubstantiated until he's on air with us, which he will be about quarter past six. And we will talk to him about it and just find out how how his journey to hell and back is gone, whether he's got any strength in his body. So stand by for that. And of course, the heart will going to be with us shortly right now. It is 24 away from six now nearly 3000 people in Westport have signed an open letter backing a local mine that keen on extending mining at Stockton and Denniston, which is the community's largest employer. And of course, it's going through the fast track process for that at the moment. One of the organizers of the open Lisa Jesse Creed moors with us right now. Hi Jesse. Kia ora from Buller on the West Coast. Thank you for giving us a chance to speak for our community more than welcome. Now what made you feel like you needed to sign this letter? Me personally, so I've traveled around a lot. I visited the south on and about 20 odd years ago and fell in love with the place.

54:35And at this point in time, I can honestly say that Buller is a place there all about the Cape Fowl and they'll be taking me out of here in a body back. But essentially for me personally, and I don't like to speak for myself because this is actually about our community. But you know, we'll still need steel hospital bridges, wind turbines, our Westport floodwalls. So, you know, and I think there's another key thing that just came out last week, the UN's report, convened the world will overshoot 1.5 degrees. And that overshoot will be decided by China and the United States. So, you know, between the most of the will still and most of the world, Coking Coal. And our stock in here produces about 1.1 million tonnes and that's 0.1% of global supply. So, you know, if it closes, the same steel gets made from Australian Mongolia and Russian coal and global emissions do not move. But this is key to me. What does move here is the people and the jobs that is what gets lost and looking at the feedback that's come through this downing.

55:35And what I think is, and the update is that more than 3,170 people have signed. And in the bullet district, you know, that is 1.4 adults and with Fort Town of South, that's, you know, 3.4 of the households. And the feedback, resoundly, isn't asking for coal further. They're asking at the time. They're asking to be heard. And they really aren't bucking the process. You know, a lot of people agree that it has to go through that sort of process. Are you worried though, Jesse, that without sufficient support from the community, vocal support like this, the fast track application might be declined? I think that's always a risk. And for other unspecified track process is, you know, it's pretty rigorous. I think people that think that a fast track is a rubber stamping exercise, that's not correct. It's probably more a fast track in terms of the length of time.

56:37So the risk obviously is still there. And this community have lived through it before. And we're still, a lot of people might say, we just need to diversify the economy. And I've involved in a lot of projects that we're all trying to do that. But you can't really diversify a collapsed economy. So... Well said, well said, Jesse. Hey, thanks, man. And good luck with it. That's Jesse Kredmore, organiser, organiser, rather of the Open Leetids. Coming up 20 away from 6. The Huddle with New Zealand Sotheby's International Realty, a name you can trust locally and globally. On the Huddle of that's this evening, we have Jordan Williams, taxpayers union and studio and Gareth Hughes, director of the Wellbeing Economy Alliance of former Green MP. Hello, you two. Hello, you two. Good evening. It's really nice. So cold today. Are you in Wellington too, mate? Yeah, at least it's not too much wind. Is it unusual that like you say, you say I'm so sorry Wellington so cold today, like it isn't cold all year except for two weeks? Well, if you're in Auckland, it probably does feel cold all year, but today's been particularly cold.

57:41I've even got the heat pump on at the moment. Well, it's bloody great here in Auckland. And I've battled traffic coming and see you here. I'm sitting in your seat. You producers put me in charge and they told me what but all the buttons I'm not allowed to push. Yeah, which is just like having a party down there in Wellington. And like Donald Trump, like Donald Trump, your finger is hovering above that button just wanting to push it. Gareth, as somebody who is worried about the climate, did Jessie's argument convince you that the community needs to be put before the climate here? To be honest, it didn't persuade me, but I think she understands the writings on the wall for the sector. It is a sunset industry. She said it's not going to go on forever. I really feel for juicy. You know, I come from Tararfi, Gisborne. I still remember when Dad lost his job at the freezing works and about 900 men lost their jobs overnight. This is why I supported just transition. We should be actively coming up with better alternatives, diversifying the economy like she said, which I totally agree with.

58:42You know, we can't just keep hoping that mining is going to solve all of our problems. Look, if mining was the secret to prosperity, towns like Reston and say why he and the North Island would be doing much better than they are. What we do see is most of the benefits are captured by a few. They're not actually flowing in to the wider community. Yeah, miners captured by miners. What do you say, Jordan? I, my heart breaks, this thing to that. I'm interested in what Garif thinks we're going to make the transition from steel to what you need coal to make steel. Of course, that's the classic talking lines from the greens, you know, drain station. This is a sunset industry. No, it's called this for what it is because GC was bang on. It's exporting emissions just because wet fakes us feel good. If we can't see them, we heard the same today from Chris Hepkins. Where he continued this green fetish for gross emissions rather than accepting that offsetting has a role and that we should be focused on net emissions.

59:50Because the path we are on is actually just about closing industry, destroying communities and worst of all, actually just sending those emissions overseas to countries that have far worse environmental and labor standards. We do have green hydrogen, right? That is an alternative to steel and this is an exciting opportunity. You need coal for steel. No, no, it was being used with green hydrogen overseas and with our renewable electricity, we could be producing the green hydrogen. So, look, there's not like the anteltoners that's out there. Gareth, did you see Chippie's walked away from the plans to put the old farmers into the agricultural, into the ETS? And he said the reason he's done it is because it's just impossible to do. Did you know that? Well, I'm being part of a government once upon a time that actually had that clause in the coalition agreement with the government. Were you part of the same government that he was part of that tried to do it when it was apparently impossible to do? Well, that's right. I remember back then even when St. Peter's was saying that we needed to bring them in at a reduced rate, but bring farmers in.

1:00:56Look, I'm sure Jordan's going to totally agree with me on this one, which is we need to bring agriculture in because it's half of our emissions, right? We've got a pay for the credits to cover those emissions. So, what it means is it's everyday citizens, like you and me and taxpayers who are asking to pick up the bill, pick up the tab for farmers. So, I colleague of mine was at the Climate of Business conference today where Chippy was talking. And yeah, look, I'm pretty underwhelmed. They described it as an action policy. Really what they've announced is another, they quote, urgent review. Look, we've had reviews, commissions, enquiries for decades now, and we still see ETS options fail. Our missions aren't turning the corner. Ultimately, it's ordinary taxpayers that are picking up the tab. So, look, when you've had three years in opposition, I would have liked to have seen more detail. And clearly, we've got to bring agriculture in to a future of one day. Jordan, I want you to take, but I'm going to get it after the break. So, stand by, it's quarter two. The Huddle with New Zealand's Sotheby's International Realty, the only truly global brand.

1:02:00You're back with the Huddle, Jordan Williams and Garith Hughes. Jordan, I think Chippy looks particularly flat today. And I think it's because of your poll yesterday. What do you think? Well, he didn't call this one a rogue. Yeah, it isn't good as it because of course he's now we're far worse actually than we are Christopher Luxen, sort of the first time around, had all the leadership speculation. I think what the poor Hipkins, they can't really put a foot right. Just this morning he was on radio, praved with John Campbell saying how much he cared about the cost of living. And things and he can't even get to midday before he's wanting to put up the tax that applies on almost everything, which is the ETS. He's running around saying only one new tax, only one new tax, and yet he can't get to lunchtime before he opens his mouth and wants the hike, the cost of living or the ETS that applies to almost everything. Yeah, I think Garith, this is the start of the collapse. What do you think for Labour?

1:03:06Well, there's still plenty of time for both sides. It's been incredibly close. It has been a battle of the blocks. So look, I think no one's going to leave stuff on the field as it were. You know, it's everything to play for. Polls being flip-flopping. It's good for the green side. I mean, doing the cool round Sunday night to the various chiefs of staffs and party leaders, it was actually quite, you know, the greens were pretty happy with this one. And it's the two extremes. It's acting Labour, acting greens are going up at the expense of the parties in the middle, it seems. Yeah, and I mean, that's the big story, right? Both parties now polling under 30% each. You know, historic lows. Historically, when Labour does well, the greens do less well and vice versa. So I'm not surprised the greens are going up. But yeah, I mean, they've got their polling less than what they were at the last election. That's not a good sign nine weeks out from the election. Who is the number 18 on the greens list? Oh, I don't know. Do you know Jordan? No, but I asked last night. I asked on Sunday night. They need to pack their bags.

1:04:10Gareth, would you come back? What number are you? Well, I'm not standing. I love my non-paddles and independent work at the moment. Gareth, have you been to the Wellington Zoo recently with your kids? No, not recently, but I did take my kids when they were younger, they had both teenage. Now they wouldn't want to hang out with me anyway. Now, they wouldn't want to go to the zoo with you at all. They go to the zoo with their girlfriends and boyfriends. Now, do you remember where that seemed tired? Do you because apparently they need $14 million for the lion pen? Yeah, that seems quite a lot of money, right? So that's $7 million per lion. And I remember the last time I went there, seeing the draft, and thinking it was a bit off because it was a pretty small enclosure. But it didn't look particularly happy. And I wonder if maybe there is no such a ticker lion, unfortunately at Wellington Zoo. Unfortunately, because I don't kids love them, but look, this isn't an endangered species. This is a huge amount of money. The city's got really big problems. $7 million per lion. We could help an awful lot of people with that equivalent money.

1:05:13Yeah, I wonder Jordan if this isn't a case where they may have to send the lions to another zoo or something like that. What do you think? I would have been a bit careful. It's some previous staff of mine once really got us in it because they were making the argument that when the penguin washed up on shore in Wellington, and was it a dolphin or something that they were literally campaigning to first not name it because once you name it, you have to look after it. And they become dependent on the taxpayer. And so somehow the taxpayers union were now championing to euthanize these cute animals. So when I first saw this, no, I'm going to be pro-line, but $14 million. When Garith is saying this is not worth the money, I think it's, I've introduced this suggests that it is seriously not worth the money. But it's just so great that everything is going so well in Wellington City Council that they can spear 14 million dollars. No, because I don't know if you've heard about Wellington. Jelena and Sadeka.

1:06:13Yeah, they're really rich in Wellington. So they... The lions are. Yeah, well, yeah. And the people are as well. And Wellington hasn't got any infrastructure problems like the rest of the country. So all of their money can go to the zoo basically. They can have these nice things. Did you know that? Well, this is what paradise looks like. Yeah, absolutely. All right, guys. It's just a weather apparently. Oh, hey, very quickly. Garith, okay, there's a really quickly. Do we get rid of our postal system if dead ladies are voting? Oh, look, electronic voting has massive security concerns. But if we're leaving ballots, literally letterboxes that people can pick up, I think that's an even bigger security concern. I'd love to move to a... What we do for Central Government, right? There is a voting day where you can rock up to the school and cast your ballot. Maybe a two week advance voting period. Postal voting was meant to increase. I said quickly. I said quickly. What? Thank you. That's enough. Jordan, what are you saying? I'm not the taxpayer's union. Something's going wrong. A letterbox will never be as secure as a ballot box.

1:07:15If only we had a stronger minister of local government that would have followed through our next Smiths, a lecture reform group. It was the one thing that the LGNZ got right, even a broken clock right twice a day, that called for a return to secure and person voting 18 months ago, and they've done nothing. And they need to do that. How much do you think you need? Yeah, two right. Dead people voting, not a good look. Hey, guys, thank you so much. I'm Jordan Williams, Garith Hughes, and it's seven away from six. It's the Heather Tupacialan Drive full show podcast on I Heart Radio, powered by News Talk ZB. Heather, how much did the Wellington Zoo spend on the Kiwi enclosure? It's terrible. You don't see any Kiwi. Oh, to be fair, that's the Kiwi. That's not the enclosure's problem. Have you been to Auckland Zoo? It's no point. When we go to Auckland Zoo, I go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not going to the, and the kids got upset about it on Saturday, not my kids, the other kids. Like, aren't you here then we want to go to the Kiwi? I was like, you're not going to see one, mate. They don't come out because what are they? Nocturnal. So what's the point? That's not honestly, that's not an infrastructure problem.

1:08:17That's the, that's the contents of the infrastructure. How good is Jesse? By the way, Jesse is the one who was chatting to us at a Westport. Jesse's just sent us a text. Heather, pretty pleased as a follow up to our chat if you could read out our website. It's our ball of future. .nz. Hopefully fellow Kiwis will look at the information we provide out there and consider supporting. I'll tell you what, you got to self-expose person like Jesse Kredmore, you could do a lot worse. Jesse might need to run for parliament. Jesse sounds competent. So that'll, that'll, that'll improve some people. Is that an official endorsement, Heather? That's, I don't know what, I don't know Jesse's politics. Like, I could be in for a shock. Jesse might come out and do something that just be wild and turn into a klepto like other people. And I'm not saying that. Don't sue me for defamation. I'm just saying it's more to be. Go into the green party, Nick Minut, you're stealing staff. So you know, God only knows where it goes. I don't want to endorse Jesse. I just, I just think Jesse should explore that as an option because we've had worse, haven't we? Then people who are competent like Jesse. Now, I didn't realise this, but our beer brewers are apparently having a bit of a fight

1:09:20with the Australians because they're at a disadvantage selling our beer into Australia. Because over in Australia, the Aussie beer brewers get, get a tax rebate for the excise. But ours don't. And this goes back a decade and it's, it's plainly a breach of the CER because it's basically a trade barrier. You could see it like that, right? So anyway, came up again when Todd McClay met his counterpart in Auckland last week and they're arguing for it and it is significant to get this, this rebate because Australia is our biggest export market for beer and our wine guys get the rebate and they've been getting the rebate on the excise for more than 20 years. So now it's the turn of our beer guys. Anyway, I want to talk about this. So I've issued because I love beer. I drink a lot of it anymore now that I hit the hard stuff than the gronies. But let's say to produce a Kevin, let's get garage project or somebody fun like that on. So we're going to do that at some stage and chat about that. Paul Spain is going to be a thus next. The boss of Nvidia reckons the AI has become like human level capable, which is just is it? Or anyway, Paul will explain when he's with us next.

1:10:29On the business hour with Heather Dupesiala and Maz insurance and investments, your futures in good hands. Use talks at B. Evening coming up in the next hour, we'll get our first chance to talk to Paul Blox, some of HSBC since the OCR was hiked list last week. He's with us after half past six. And a Brady is with us out of the UK and Jamie McI, off his sick bed for us. Seven past six. Now one of the world's biggest AI bosses. Now says AI has matched human capability. Nvidia's CEO, Jensen Huang says, Chet G.P.T.'s latest model, which is known as Astra, is so impressive that we've reached the landmark of AGI or artificial general intelligence. Paul Spain is a futurist and he's the CEO also at Gorilla Technology and with us. Hi Paul. Hi, how you doing Heather? Well, thanks mate. Are you convinced that we've reached AGI? Well, the short answer is no. I think you've got to look at this through the lens of who is Jensen, what's his role?

1:11:31And he runs the biggest company on the planet and their role is to sell the hardware that makes AGI possible. And that only happens if we keep getting excited and hyped about where it's going. That's how his share price stays high. That's how open AGI and Anthropic end up having sort of big IPOs. I think this is part of trying to keep it exciting and hyped for people, but I'm not sure we've reached what I would call artificial general intelligence just yet. Okay, he had a big pilava about a fruit fly's brain. Did you understand that and how that led us to understand that AGI was here? No, no, I didn't, I've listened to a bunch of the things that he said. I didn't go into that one. Yeah, he's given, I guess some interesting examples he talked about. AGI being the build a billion dollar business, but that it would have zero chance of building

1:12:33and running a business like Nvidia on an ongoing basis. We've talked for a long time around narrow artificial narrow intelligence. And that's kind of been the norm, the world that we've been in over recent years. And I think what's happening is we've got a range of these narrow artificial intelligence available within platforms such as OpenAI's new GPT-6 model. But they're just kind of wired and linked together. You don't actually have a true brain that can sink across all areas of domains and really operate like a human. And so to me, we're not there yet. One thing that would give me kind of confidence that we were there is any one of us could delegate our job to an AI to look after while we go on holiday for a week. I don't think there's probably virtually anybody on the planet that can say I could do,

1:13:37at least a half quality version of their work like that. There's just so many gaps in the technology right now. Paul, I just don't believe that's ever going to happen. This feels like the Jetsons crap. We've been doing this forever, haven't we? Saying that this wonderful thing is going to happen in the future and it never really does. Do you ever do that? Do you believe this will ever happen? Well, I used to say no. I used to, even a year ago, I thought artificial general intelligence, this is science fiction and it will never come. But the more I watch the progress and see the improvements, the more open I am to the possibility that things get really flipped on their head. But it's a big journey to do it. It's not just about the technology. It's around how businesses and organisations work that technology into transforming themselves.

1:14:38This is not something that happens in five minutes, that's for sure. Paul, hey, thank you, man. I appreciate it as always. It's Paul Spain, futurist and CEO at Gorilla Technology. Listen, if you have been wanting to know what's going on with Tom Phillips and the review of the police handling of the Tom Phillips case, you're not going to have to wait that long. It sounds like it's going to come out in the next couple of weeks or so. It was supposed to be released by now. It was supposed to be released by the end of August, but they had to delay the report by a month in order to quote, clarify a matter, whatever that means. This is according to the Attorney General Chris Bishop. Parliament is going to rise on the 24th of this month, so that's 16 days from now and he says it will be released by then. I am very interested in all of this stuff starting to come out because I think there are some serious questions to be asked. If you've heard about the stuff that's suppressed, there are serious questions to be asked about how he was allowed to be out there doing what he was doing for as long as he was doing it. These reviews are really important.

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1:17:46my near-death experience and I'll throw, throw a wee bit of mark twain back at you. Heather, the reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated, but it did. It boldly for three weeks, less, three weeks, less one day. I literally never get sick, famous last words. I'm, I'm infamous in the office for giving millennials and gen Z's and wires a hard time about being soft and we don't have sick days on the country. But this one got me well and truly and I tried about three comebacks and each time I kind of failed, I had to have rest half way up the stairs just to walk upstairs. So look at it, it was brutal and I'm blaming the ZB 100. Either that, Heather, or the following day when I was in Auckland before I went down and spread my germs to the Tauranga office, I did that open day. You know, the city rail link open day was from when it used to work with me. And we walked through the Karranga happy station, beautiful and had a look around about

1:18:46your underground rail, but then I'm thinking my hands were on those kind of escalator things that go up and down. And then you put them straight in your mouth, didn't you? Straighten my mouth, you're sucking the thumb and there I go. But anyhow, to anyone who's had influence, it's brutal. Yeah, well I'm pleased to hear that you're okay. Now what do you make of labour in the ETS changes? Well, it's a bit of a U-turn, isn't it? I'm pleased that I've done it. And I think this is pragmatism from Chippy, but it is a bit of a U-turn when you look at the labour party of 2020 to 23 when they had complete control. This is the outfit that wanted to introduce he, Wocker, Erkinauer, and effectively get rid of roughly 20% of the sheep and beef farms in this country. This is also the outfit and they're duck shoving this one, they're blaming Shane Jones and he's quick to blame them about the billion tree program like from 2017 to 20. But look, I'm pleased to see it.

1:19:48I don't think agriculture should be priced in the ETS. And the reason for that is our issues and I've long held disbelief and I'm not going to change my mind. You know, we've got a split gas approach. The problem with global warming and emissions is not necessarily ruminants. Expaling mefane, it's man-burning fossil fuel. So interestingly, Chippy is fully also committed to the Paris Agreement, which puts him, which gives him more in common with the Nats. And the Nats have with the likes of New Zealand first and the Act party. They're going to try and, you know, what he's saying is rampant tree planting has depressed. And he's right about this, has depressed the emissions trading scheme price without encouraging emissions reductions. Because these big players internationally are just buying their way out of pollution or planting their way out of pollution. And he's hoping that some of the large exporters would drive emission reduction changes

1:20:49themselves. And he quoted Fonterra and Silver Fern Farms, our biggest dairy and our biggest meat company is trying to reduce emissions. However, when you look at the numbers, they're not that flash-heter. Fonterra, for example, targeting a 30% reduction in emissions by 2030 compared to the Pagan the Sand Year of 2018. As of 2025 last year, they don't only achieve just a 3.8% reduction. There's a long way to go. But I say, good on Chippy and at least, at least Heather, Labor has come out with some ag policy. Yeah, well, there is that. At least there's something because it was, but did you see the Q&A federated, the Q&A farmer debate? Yes, I did. I studied it closely and some of the commentary around that had Steve Able killing the debate. Well, the only thing Steve really, the Green Party, a spokesperson killed was the prospect of having a farming industry that's sustainable in this country.

1:21:49Look, poor old Joe Luxson, I felt sorry for her. Labor's ag, she was laughed at. They were mocking her. And I think Chippy should have given us some ag policy to release because all she could say is we've got some ag policy coming. For God's sake, we're less than two months out from an election now. They need to get this out. So this was a good start. Look, I thought, and Daniel, the opportunity party, look, beware of the opportunity party if you're a farmer. He got some of his numbers badly wrong on cow numbers and dairy numbers and all that sort of stuff. To be honest, I thought Andrew Hoggard might have won the debate from the act party. Yeah, I thought he was quite capable, we're very confident as well. Jamie, thank you, mate. It's good to have you back. We'll talk to you in a couple of days. Jamie MacKai hosts the country. That is exactly the observation that Jamie made I was about to make, which is Joe Luxson. The minute she opened her mouth and said, oh, we're releasing policy soon. Everybody basically laughed at her and it just became the longer it went on, the more ridiculous it became to the point that Jack Tam left. And you know, Jack Tam doesn't like to be mean to anyone, right?

1:22:50Because he's really nice guy and he doesn't want anybody to know that he could possibly score on a politician, but he scored her. And when he scored her, I thought, oh, mate, you can have to release a mag policy really quickly and two days later out of game 622. It's the Heather Dupesie Allen Drive full show podcast on I Heart Radio, powered by NewsTalk ZB. Crouching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather Dupesie Allen on the business hour with mass insurance and investments, your futures in good hands. NewsTalk ZB. Heather Jamie's right, the ZB100 was a super spreader event. So many people fell sick, really. I didn't know that. I didn't fall sick. But then again, I'd been jabbed. Do you think we should have contact traced? Or maybe we should have had a two meter distancing and those masks and stuff. Because it nearly took Jamie's life by the sounds of things. Hey, speaking of taking lives, there's an account that's just popped up online of those two chaps who were rescued. Was it yesterday?

1:23:51Or the other day, from the tunnel in Nepal, they'd been trapped there for nine days. And it just talks about how basically how the guys got in, how long it took. It took them six days to clear the debris to try and get these people out. And there's a couple of guys who'd been trapped in an air pocket and they had basically like they had some evacuation order. They had some awareness of what was happening and they ran and managed to get themselves into a position where they could survive. And they've pulled them out now. They almost gave up a bunch of times, managed to, because there was more rain and there was collapsing of the rock face and stuff like that. And so they, you know, and I suppose if you've been taking for six days, you think no, then it's going to be alive in there. But fortunately they kept going in and eventually they found people alive. One of the guys has a deep cut on his leg. It's got infected. So he's had to have surgery. If you're having surgery for an infection, it's pretty bad. He was in and out of consciousness, didn't recognize his wife when he came out, complained that she hadn't given him a bed, classic marriage, etc. But what I'm fascinated by and what has not answered at all in any of the coverage that

1:24:52I can see is how did they survive? Like what, I mean, they were lying in a pool of water. So I'm assuming there was water to drink, but did they ease anything? Did they have food on them? What was going on? Anyway, I think we're going to have to wait for those questions to be answered to a later date, I'd imagine, 627. There's no business like show business. If you've got a lame sense of humour, this one's 100% for you. You may remember last year we told you that the show's original creators were floating the idea of a reboot or a sequel, and now Netflix has confirmed you're still making a movie sequel to the original series. It's called the In Between Is Three, because apparently there is enough appetite for two other movies already. The original members, Simon Bird, James Buckley, Blake Harrison and Joe Thomas are all returning as is the legacy character, the 1996 Yellow Fiert. The original creators, Damon Beasley and Ian Morris are also back and they said we are going to work hard every week to ensure there are no problemos making this new film for humans, which is a callback.

1:25:54But it just sounds a bit weird, doesn't it? Not funny. Anyway, no timing yet on a release date, but the filming has just started in the UK, so you might have a date soon. Yay! Right, as I said earlier, all pool blocks from HSPC, first time we've been able to talk to him. Since the Reserve Bank hiked the OCR last week, so get into it straight after the news. Graphics, it has tought you still don't have peace and don't be. Whether it's macro, macro or just plain economics, it's all on the business hour with Heather Dokosiale and Mass Insurance and Meeting Investment, your futures in good hands. Use talks,吃. What about this from Colin? Heather, the flu flattened me as well. I had the jab. I developed arial fibrillation. Atrial fibrillation. Next week I have to go into hospital, be put to sleep and then they stop my heart and then they fire it up again to resolve it. And it was all triggered by the flu and I had no heart problems. It's no wild.

1:26:55Who knew that that happened? Listen, on Paul, which I was just telling you about before, Nepal, by the way, has risen to the UN. Demanding climate compensation for what's just happened with the recent flooding. They want the world's biggest emitters to pay $20 million in except shared responsibility for the disaster and the money basically comes from the UN's fund for responding to loss and damage, which was set up a couple of years ago when I sat a couple maybe like four years ago with the Paris climate agreement. So we'll see how they go with that because their argument is they don't really emit and that's probably fair actually, but India and China either side of them really do. 24 away from seven endocraties with us in ten minutes time. Right now we have Paul Bloxham, H.S.B.C.'s chief economist, Paul. G'day. Now Paul, did I see you've changed your view on what the RBA is going to do? We have the RBA. We think has a bit more work ahead of it. We, you know, so many change that in the back of a couple of things. The first thing is a couple of weeks ago we got an upside surprise on inflation the monthly reading for July and it was a recently decent upside surprise.

1:27:55And then last week we got GDP figures, growth figures that show that the economy is both growing a bit faster than was expected, but also that the supply side, the ability of the economy to actually meet that demand productivity has been very weak. In fact, it's been going backwards over the last year. Labor productivity has been falling. And so the combination of having higher inflation and having an economy that is growing faster than is sustainable faster than its speed limit. And we think the RBA is going to have to lift interest rates further. So we've got in mind that the RBA will have to come back and lift interest rates. We think they'll probably lift interest rates at their next meeting in September and then may very well have to do another hike beyond that. What does that do? Do you think house prices doesn't have a direct impact on what's going on with your property market? Where does? And that's one of the consequences of this is that the housing market is already cooling. So house prices have already declined as a daily index in Australia and it's already down almost 5% since its peak in nationally. And we think that given we're going to get, we expect more interest rate rises yet

1:28:56that the housing market will probably cool further. So we've revised down our expectation for house prices and we think a bigger decline is likely. So you might say, well, if house prices are falling, is the RBA really going to come and lift interest rates any further? And that's a valid question. But the answer really is the RBA focuses on inflation. They target inflation. Inflation is already is too high. They don't focus on the housing market. There's a, there's a, the two are linked together to some degree. But we think they're going to have to lift interest rates because of the inflation problem. Though it will cool the housing market further. Yeah. On the cooling housing market, I mean, there's a bit of a correlation with what's going on in New Zealand. I haven't had a chance to talk to you about the RBNZ yet. They attribute what is going on with, with, with, with, uh, cautious spending to the wealth effect and the fact that our property price, uh, probably prices have come back would significantly. Would you agree with them? I do. I think the difference between this cycle for New Zealand and previous ones is that when the RBNZ is usual, is, is, is, has already lowered rates as they had done a few years ago. And when you had an economic upswing of the sort that you're getting, you know, normally

1:29:59what you've got is a housing market that's already picking up as well. And the difference this time around is even though the economy is in a recovery, the housing market is still very weak. You, you know, you, you, you came off the back of the really large surge in prices through the pandemic and then the, the decline in prices that came after it and you just haven't had any recovery. So I think the really big difference between this cycle and previous cycles and the thing that's keeping it more gradual than it's, than we've seen in the past is, is the housing market and the fact that it's still still quite subdued, still quite weak. So do you think that if I was to, to look at what Ann and Brimman are saying and say it's a pause in October, am I reading that about right? Well, we think so. We think that having lifted rates twice now, they will pause for, uh, at the next meeting. Uh, we, we, we think, you know, what they've been looking to do is get the policy rate a bit closer to neutral because inflation is above target. They're still below neutral. They're still providing support for the economy, but they needed to move a little bit closer to be comfortable. But we think that where they are now, they'll be comfortable with when they get to that,

1:30:59that, that October meeting and the trade off now, the judgment now to be made is how worried are they about inflation being a bit more elevated versus, you know, squashing what is only a very gradual, uh, economic recovery that's underway at this point in time. Yeah. Hey, it's good to talk to you as always. Paul, you look after yourself when talking to you in soon. It's Paul Bloxham, HUSBC's chief economist. It's 20 away from seven. Heather Dupesie, Alan. Now, um, as I told you earlier, I'm in Wellington and have walked into quite the drama that I didn't realize was happening between Auckland and Wellington. And this is because I looked at the paper today and I love that, I've told you this before, love the letters to the editor, love the letters to the editor in the same way that I love talk back because I think it's wonderful to just just have everybody have a bit of a chance to have a crack at something and people bring up some really interesting stuff. And there's quite the drama going on in the letters to the editor in the post in Wellington, this local newspaper, about the fact that Aucklanders refer to everything bad that comes out of the central government or the public service as Wellington.

1:32:01And it kicks off like we are, oh, look, Wellington did that. Oh, look, Wellington's spending all the money kicks off on the third of September when Carolyn Mark of Calvin writes a letter in. She says, I read the article by Mark taught about Auckland's housing plan with increasing irritation. Five times he referred to Wellington. Each time he was not talking about the city I live in, he was referring to a bunch of politicians, most of whom came from Auckland and very few of whom actually come from Wellington, whose decisions he doesn't like. Most Wellingtonians meaning the people who live here, says Carolyn. In fact, have no interest whatsoever in Auckland's housing plan and are happy for them to decide for themselves. When did Aucklanders start using the name Wellington as shorthand for Parliament as opposed to a city? And why? And will they please stop doing it? Well, five days on, which is where we are today, and the letters haven't stopped. And all over the region, they're loving what Carolyn has said that. Yeah, yeah, they're saying from all over the Wellington region, Mike Regan of TRO. Oh, that's literally how we started. Oh, exclamation.

1:33:01We so agree with it. Nobody writes the sentence. We so agree other than a Wellingtonian, do you not know me? We so agree with Carolyn Mark of Kelvin, comma, letters. Or brackets, comma, brackets, letters, comma, September three, closed parentheses. This Auckland habit of blaming our country's woes on Wellingtonians is galling. And something I noticed had increasingly dramatically since Wayne Brown became the Mayor of Auckland. He rarely talks about the MP's or government instead loading his frustration on Wellington citizens. It's lazy and shameful. No, actually, I put that in. I wish she said that. It's lazy and harmful, he said. And alienates all Wellingtonians blah, blah, blah, blah. Darryl wrote in from Paramatter, may I add to Carolyn Mark's excellent admonishment of Aucklanders and on it goes, now I do think, I mean, you know, I hate the decisions that come out of this place sometimes. And my, my regard for the public services, not at an all time high currently. However, I feel that Carolyn and Darryl and Mike all have a very good point here, which

1:34:02is actually that Wellington is full of some really decent people and many of them are my friends and they do not actually, well, not many of them. Like that's over, that's overstating it, isn't it? There are a lot of my friends who live in Wellington and it is unfair to lump them and be pejorative about them and pretend that they are the ones making the decisions. So I feel that on principle, news talks that be drive will no longer do that. We will not refer to stupid decisions coming out of Wellington as Wellington. We will refer to them as coming from the place that they've come from, whether it's the Beehive or Treasury or whatever it is, because we've heard how, how we said as well to Carolyn's later, off to the UK next, 17 away from 7. It's the Heather Dupesia-Land Drive full show podcast on I Hard Radio powered by news talks, that be. Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour with Heather Dupesia-Land and Mass Insurance and Investments, your futures in good hands. News talks, that be. Heather, ha ha.

1:35:02Let's not forget Wellington residents elected Torrey Farno, they have no high ground. I mean, that you can shoot back to Wellington. You can say, oh, look, Wellington did that, they elected Torrey and that is something to genuinely be ashamed of. Wellington, 14 away from 7. And a Brady UK correspondent is with us, hello, hello, Ender. Heather, lovely to speak here again. Okay, so thoughts on why it is that King Charles decided to send out this letter. I think it's just dotting the eyes and crossing the T's and he wants everyone to be under no assumptions that Harry and Meghan are representing him or the royal family. So he sent the letter out basically to tell anyone who will be involved in hosting them or anything they're arranging this autumn that you know, you don't have to go full kind of royal family mode because guess what, they're not in the royal family anymore. So when the monarch or one of the royal family visit a county, there is someone called the Lord left hand and it's their problem to arrange to visit who's going to meet them,

1:36:05what they're going to eat, what the timings. And I think the King is just putting it on their radar that guess what, my son does not represent me. Very interesting. Okay, now how do you think Trump is going to handle the fact or how do you, let me rephrase it, how do you think he handled it on the phone call? The Andy Burnham told him they're going to sanction the illegal Israeli settlements. I would say the phone call was pretty brief and quiet, but I think there will be fire and fury later on today. Now Ben Gavir is an Israeli security minister. He is a settler himself and he has taken to social media in the past couple of hours calling on the government of Argentina to go and take the Faulklands. He's basically said that Israel recognizes Argentina's claim of sovereignty to Las Malvinas as they call the Faulkland Islands. So you're seeing the rhetoric ramp up and could it be that Trump then backs Israel over the Faulkland Islands? I think Andy Burnham is opening a can of worms here. Yeah, it might be right there.

1:37:06How do you think people feel about the fact that these boats are now reaching Portsmouth and not just over? They're angry and they're worried. So you've seen these masked men, hundreds of them turn up in Dover on Saturday and then import the other night causing problems for the police. The criminal gangs, the people traffickers are changing their tactics. So it would appear they're getting bigger dinghies, 120, 130 men can fit on some of these dinghies if not more and they're launching 200 kilometers further south of Calais. So this is an area where they've never set off from before. It's basically the mouth of the river saying, Bay de Sen, they call it in France and then pointing towards England and they know as soon as they get into British territorial waters, a lifeboat will have to come and rescue the people if they're in danger of capsizing. So it's a complete mess. It's like whack-a-mull trying to solve the problem in Calais and they're popping up elsewhere. So do you, I mean one of the things that happened obviously with these protesters is that police

1:38:07cars, the windows were smashed. They say they didn't do it and they say, lefties did it to make them look bad. What do you say? I would say who else was running around at 3am in the morning wearing masks in the city of Portmouth. I would say a lot of people would have been in bed getting ready to go to work in the morning. You have to question who these guys are, who's firing them up and who's social media platforms are telling them that people are being brought ashore in dinghies in Portmouth. It's a mess. It's very, very dangerous and ultimately we saw police officers get injured here the other night because of it. Yeah. How people feeling about this some robbery themed bar? So the business community in Hattengarden are very angry about this. So if you go back, I think it's 14 years since that robbery. I was actually there the very next morning. If memory serves me right, it was an Easter Bank holiday Monday and it was one of those weekends where Easter coincides with the Jewish Passover and Eid as well.

1:39:11So it was like a triple religious festival weekend. Nobody was working or doing anything. And this gang of elderly crooks somehow drilled their way into the basement and stole all those safety deposit box. Now about 30 million NZ dollars went missing in a few hours. And now someone has put in planning permission to turn that safety vault into a robbery themed bar. A lot of people didn't get their money back and they're very, very cross that someone else might think it's funny to go and have a drink there and toast criminality. Yeah, that's fair enough, I suppose. Ender, thanks very much. Man, look after yourself. It's good to talk to you. Ender Brady, UK correspondent. A New Zealand First candidate has outed herself as being the one who proposed the citizen only voting as a policy for New Zealand First. Her name is Bernadette Soars. She says, when I arrived in New Zealand from India 37 years ago, I was just 21 years old. My husband had been offered a skilled job in New Zealand. We packed two suitcases each and brought with us $500 US dollars and took an enormously leap of faith.

1:40:11And over the years, New Zealand became much more than the country. We lived in it, became our home. We raised our three children here and so on and so forth. Somewhere along that journey, I made another important decision to become a New Zealand citizen. For me, citizenship wasn't simply about getting a different passport. It was a declaration that this was my country. Too many immigrants arriving today are able to live in New Zealand without integrating into New Zealand society. For many that don't want to all need to, when English's limited communities remain culturally separate. New Zealand is at risk of creating parallel societies and over time changing the character and values of the New Zealand. We know I feel strongly about protecting what we have and that's why I'm standing up for Parliament. Do you know what? It doesn't surprise me at all that it's an immigrant who has posed this. For some reason, you will find the strongest sentiment about immigration within the immigrant community, which is interesting, isn't it? It sounds like it got a bit fiery at Auckland Council today. They were discussing the fast track. I don't know if you followed this, but Wayne Brown really hates a fast track. Anyway, as a result of that, the Councillors have voted unanimously to investigate ways

1:41:17to tell the developers that they're not wanted. They've taken legal advice on ways for Council and its related arms like water care to have a united view and stance on the projects. The Councillor Lottie fully, who I vaguely recall once complained about poor language at the Council table, say, said, this is literally a shit show. When things turn to shit, it's going to be us who have to step in and fix and pay for it. I am happy to be corrected, but I think Lottie was the one who said the language was poor. So she's feeling fired up about it. By the way, happy news for you. If you're waiting for GTA 6PS5, you know what that means, okay? You know what that means. If you're waiting for it, it's got the date for you, November 19th. Happy days, happy days. It's going to unlock at midnight everywhere, which means you don't go to work on November 19th because you're getting it in New Zealand 18 hours before everybody else. Aren't you, Lottie? I am indeed. And you can consider this as me asking for my leave for that day. Going out to surprise. Do you reckon will you start playing at midnight?

1:42:21Probably. If it was another game, probably not, but GTA 6 is like the biggest game release ever. It's been so much. But what's your plan? Are you going to go to sleep first and then wake up at midnight or are you just going to do an all nighter? I'm 22 Heather, I'm not going to sleep. Okay. I'm doing the all nighter. Anyway, onto the tunes. I've got Creep by Radiohead today because as you mentioned, they're not coming to New Zealand. Tom York, if you're listening to New Swap's Ebbees Drive Show, please, please, please, please. How good though, how good? Oh yeah, I'm very strongly debating a hop and over the ditch for it. I haven't been back to us in a while. Maybe it'll be nice little holiday with some Radiohead mixed in. Maybe. I'm not debating with it go. I'm just debating whether it's Sydney or Melbourne at this stage. Oh, apparently. Sydney though. Sydney is closer. Melbourne. Okay, right. So anyway, that's the end of just being mean to entire cities. I'll see you tomorrow back in Auckland and enjoy your evening. New Jersey for the university.

1:43:26I'll see. I'm a Swap by Radiohead today. I'll see you tomorrow back there next week. I'll上o live across the western heart. I love you, I love you.