Full Show Podcast: 07 September 2026

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1:03We'll have a chat to them, and there is a man making coffins out of mushrooms. Why not? So we'll talk to him after five. Heather Dupesie Allen. So it's not good for labor in the latest taxpayer's union, Curia Poll. They've now fallen to 26%, which is below the last election result that they got at 27%. Now, this is not a surprise to me and it shouldn't be a surprise to you, because we have been saying consistently on the show all of this year that Labor is going to come down in the polls once the policy starts being released. Because basically what's happened up to now is Labor has said very little. They've been a blank canvas of silence, if you like, which means that voters could up to now basically project whatever they wanted onto Labor, right? If you like the idea that Labor is kindness, project it on. They're saying nothing to dispel that notion. If you believe that Labor is competent, project it on. If you believe that Labor will fix the cost of living crisis and health care and education and the roads and the economy and heck, why not our world? Go for it. Project it on. But the problem with that small strategy, it's target strategy, is that it becomes really problematic

2:05the closer we get to an election, because even though Labor is still not saying very much, everyone else around it is, aren't they? It's pretty mental, isn't it? The Greens with their Soviet style supermarket plan and their wealth tax, the opportunity party with its land tax and plans to raise the age of youth justice, the Māori party with its plans to establish a treaty commission that can stop Parliament making law. And so because Labor is saying very little, it ends up being tainted with all these weird policies. And once more, if there is one thing that vote is a really hankering for the selection, it is vision. It's a plan to get us out of this mess. And you could argue that this is actually a problem for both parties, Labor and National, but Labor is not producing a vision because it's not saying anything. Frankly, I've got to be honest with you, I'm starting to wonder if Labor is even really campaigning at any more than just about 60 percent at the moment. Their performance is so lackluster. I'm actually wondering if they're in it to win it. Notably, on the poll, Chris Hipkins has said, he hasn't said this time that it is a rogue poll like he did last time. He said there is work to do.

3:07And that's because he knows this is not a rogue poll, is it? This is a trend that started in March when his polling started falling and it hasn't stopped. And this may not be the end. 26 percent may not actually be the bottom. 9292, hit me with it. And I'll explain why I'm not sure who's going to be in the lead slot at five o'clock and give you a little bit of an explanation on that shortly. Now, the hottest ticket in town today is the Warriors. One of the biggest stars in TV sports land right now is Sean Johnson. We've got the Warriors half-back legend as he heads to Sky Sport to do his league lounge. Hi, Sean. Hello. How much have you enjoyed the season, mate? I've loved it, but that intro you just gave me is right up there, by the way. What? I'll take that every day. Saying you're one of the biggest star in TV sports land? Yeah, I just told my producer to have to tune in, so he could hear that. And I hope the bosses at Sky heard that because I'm about to go in for a renegotiations. So, I appreciate those words. Is that what you're going in right now to chat?

4:10No, no, no. I'm going in the middle of the league lounge, so yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sean, do you know, but do you know how good you are on Telly? I was thinking about the Seattle other day I was watching you and I thought it is remarkable. Is there anything that's wrong with you? You are handsome. You're in a marriage with children. You are fantastic on the footy field. And now you take to TV like you've been doing it your whole life. You're awesome. I appreciate that, Heather. But yeah, I mean, I'm not six foot. So, well, there's that. My wife would say that that's a real echo of hers. Yeah. But outside of that, now the TV stuff's been really enjoyable. I've enjoyed, you know, trying to cover the game in a way that I'm proud of, the way that as a player I would have liked to consume, I guess the content that was coming either through the phone or through the Telly. And really, that's where the league lounge was born. You know, like, to like mind, I guess Sky as a as a Brandon as a company and then me as an individual, sort of coming together about a crate, some of that we thought was missing a market. So, yeah, I'm enjoying it. Oh, good. I'm pleased you are.

5:12What do you think about the idea? Because it sounds very much like, okay, we're going to play, we're going to play this week's finals at Mount Smart. But next time, next week might be Eden Park. How do you feel about that? Oh, yeah. Look, it's, look, I'm obviously biased. You know, it pisses me off that they can just take a game away from the home of rugby league in this country, you know, from a place that, you know, this club and this organisation has essentially built into a bit of a fortress, you know, and the fan base, like, I've got no doubt that we've probably go close to selling out Eden Park anyway. But the fan experience, even the player experience, I got the opportunity to play it both venues. And, you know, although Eden Park, you know, is a world class facility, it's not the best ground to play it. Why not? Respectfully, it's, it's a way you're away from the crowd, you're away from the stands, you know, you're playing in a, essentially a cricket oval type feel where you don't have that,

6:17that atmosphere that feels right on top of you. But look, I can say this from this side of the fence now, I've got no doubt that won't even be an issue to the playing group or to the coach and staff or to everyone involved in the performance side. You know, I've, I guess, warriors rugby league, but I can speak to it, yeah, from the x player from the fan side, like, I'd much rather pull up to Mount Smart, a place that you've just, you've had to grind out all you to put yourself in this position to get an advantage at this time of year. And to fully double down on that advantage, it's making people come into Mount Smart where the changing rooms on the other side of the field aren't the flashes, you know, where the grandstanders right on top of you, it's hostile and not necessarily put them up in, you know, the schmuckiest of schmucks of Eden Park where yeah, it's a pretty elite facility. Yeah, I was wondering, I mean, because the problem is, of course, what you get is, is Peter Vlandese gets more money, he gets more fans in there. So that's the appeal of Eden Park. But then, then what I was worried about is that it becomes a sort of a way

7:17game for the warriors. Do you think they can, they can overcome that and, and, and still win the game and have that kind of competitive advantage of being at home? Oh, no, yeah, 100%. Look, I'm not going to go, you know, read too far past the fact that, look, you've worked so hard just a host home finals. And yes, it's still a New Zealand, it's still going to be a home game for the warriors. Like, whether they go to Christchurch, Wellington, you embrace it. So they're, they're going to do that. I'm not worried about that. I'm more saying, like, you've worked so hard all year to create an advantage for you. Now, for the warriors to double down on that and maximize that, it would be to plant mouth smart as often as possible. That is as simple as I can put it. And I get the business side of it more money for the NRL, but equally, with a way to look at it, the warriors and the NRL, the NRL doesn't survive a couple of years ago. If the warriors don't do what they did and sacrifice and move countries to keep the competition afloat. So you think it'd be nice at some point if that genuinely came back for the club. And it would be a pretty cool moment to do that if they said to them,

8:18look, you know, we'll, we'll cap the cash. We could possibly earn by going to the inner park. And we'll keep it at mouth smart because you do deserve that. Yeah, I like that. Okay, listen, so this is what I think you need to do with the contract. Is go in there and go double or nothing? What do you think? All right, I'll tell him my acting agent here that has given me some advice here. This is what I'm this is what I'm running with. But look, it's exciting, it's an exciting time for a vegan this country. It really is. And it starts, you know, this Saturday we get to pull up to mount smart again and host a home final, which is, which is just such a special, special thought to have. So yeah, really looking forward to it. Well, enjoy it. We're all enjoying it. And thank you so much for your time and best of luck at work. That's Sean Johnson, former warrior, and just an all-round decent guy, isn't he? Now, these are all the numbers for the taxpayers union, Curia Pol. Labor is on 26% national is the bigger party on 29%. They'll be taking some heart from that. This is national, but they're still below 30, right? So it's like a bit of sweet, isn't it? Opportunity, it doesn't make it in. It's sitting on 4.5%. The green party's on 14%. So it's a

9:23significant bump up. The act party is sitting on 10.5%. So a bit of a bump up for it as well. New Zealand first has come back away, but to 8.5%. Maori party is still sitting at 2%. Coalition wins the election with 64 seats. Luxin is the preferred prime minister. His supporters on 21. Chris Hipkins has come back. He's on 17. 16. Pass 4. It's the Heather Dupesia-Landry full show podcast on I Heart Radio, powered by News Talk Zephy. Heather, how come you're not galing for Hipkins to be rolled? If it was the match, you would. It's a fair point, Leslie, and I still am of the view. And I think I've said this enough for this not to be a surprise for you that I do think the national party has the wrong leader. The difference with Chris Hipkins is that Chippy's favourability doesn't seem to be the major problem for the Labour party. So he is correct. Me if I'm wrong, but I think in this poll, if I remember correctly from reading it this morning, he's sitting at negative 4. Whereas Luxin sitting at negative 19.

10:25I don't think Chippy is the Labour party's problem. He's one of their problems, but he's not predominantly their problem. It's not like if you got rid of Chippy, all of a sudden Labour would do brilliantly. Because I think with national, if you got rid of Luxin, they would do a lot better. So I don't think there's as much pressure for him to quit. Plus, also nobody wants the job. Haves the people want the job in national for the 19. Sean Johnson, you see, this is, fortunately, I follow Jack time on a Saturday in Francesca Ruckin on a Sunday. So I'm used to following big names. Isn't he delightful? Isn't he just an all-round package? I mean, short, as he says, but otherwise excellent. If that's his major failing, not being six foot, then I think he's doing right now. And you're so right about his television persona. I mean, a lot of former players go into television with varying degrees of success. His authenticity is off the charts. They love him at

11:26Sky. And he is terrific on the TV. He is very good. Now, what do you think about playing at Eden Park? Is it fair? I mean, if you think about it from the perspective of the hardcore fans, lose their ability to be at their favourite in the home ground, whereas the kind of fly-by-nighter fans also get a chance to see the team. That's the only counterpoint, I think, to the argument that the Warriors are mounting. Look, the Warriors only care about, well, yes, they care about their fans, obviously, but the biggest factor in the venue for them is where are we more likely to win the game? And I think that's go-medium out smart stadium. The counterpoint to it is, if you have it at Eden Park, twice as many Warriors fans can turn up to cheer the team on. That's really the only counterpoint to all of this is that they will be roared on by a crowd, which is double the size. Yes, they're further back at Eden Park. It's not as intimidating as Sean pointed out, but it does give you a much bigger crowd. It doesn't benefit the Warriors in any way as we know. The NRL take all of the ticket revenue, which is why they're pushing too hard for a bigger venue.

12:31Heather, I'm almost certain that the second finals game, particularly if the Warriors win on Saturday, and it's a qualifying final for the Grand Final in two weeks, will be at Eden Park. I'm almost certain that the NRL will say we gave you that one, but we are going to take this one and pack 50,000. I heard Cam George on the radio this morning and it sounded a little bit like he'd almost given up on it as well. He knew that that was happening. Look, is it fair to say that based on what's happened in South Africa, we could say we are a good, the all blacks are a good team getting better, but South Africa are still that much better. Yeah, I think that sounds it up pretty well. And the big question now is, is there enough time between now and when we play them at the World Cup next year, look, let's forget about Baltimore, that is what it is. But is there enough time between now and next September and likely in a quarter final when we play South Africa again for us to improve enough to beat them in a knockout game? There are obvious areas around set piece, around the physicality and other bits and pieces too that that South Africa are clearly

13:33superior. Does this team have the capacity, the all blacks I mean to make their improvements? I believe that they do is a year enough. I guess we'll find out. That South African team has been together for eight years, will be nine years under Rassy when the World Cup rolls around. That's a head start and a half-heter, but we beat them at Ellis Park in a one-off game of the World Cup next year. Could we beat them? Yes, absolutely we could. As a team, it's a time for Dave Rennan and Knock them in shape. Thank you, Pinyy. I appreciate it. Jason Pine sports talk hosted. We're back at 7 this evening. By the way, that crash at Miami Airport, the Amazon cargo plane, at least five people are dead and five people are in hospital, 423. On your smart speaker, on the iHard app, and in your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicell and Drive and one New Zealand awarded New Zealand's best mobile network use talks at B. Heather Talbot Mills will have their poll out quick as possible. Won't they just? They'll be digging through their files trying to find the last poll that was half decent for Labour and then they'll release and we'll have a poll wall going on. 426, by the way, Port of Tauranga has

14:35finally been given the fast track approval. Like the final fast track approval for that wolf extension that the local Marais been opposing since 2019 or thereabouts. So what this means is they are going to dredge the stellar passage and then they're going to landry claim for the extension for a container birth and a wolf and each of them will go out another 300 metres. Interesting plot twist in this though. The port has agreed that it will pay them because the story if you haven't followed it is that the Marais upset about it because the extension is going to block its view of the Malnur. And so it has been causing the fuss and various other related parties have also been causing the fuss with them. Interesting, interesting, twisters that the port is now going to pay the Marais $1 million in a one-off payment. That's within the first year. Thereafter, $25,000 payment every single year, which is interesting because it may well make the problem go away but I worry about the precedent here,

15:36which is that if you kick up enough of a fuss, you'll get some money out of the people who are trying to do with thing. That's not good for our democracy is it? That's not good for our system is it? For confidence. Anyway, we'll have a chat. It's not really the democracy that's affected by that. We'll have a chat with the port of Toadong S.C.F.O when he's with us. After five o'clock, I can confirm now it's going to be opportunity. We will have opportunity on the show after five o'clock, Qlay Wong will be in. And there's a yarn about Chippy here. So I'll tell you that story later on and why Chippy's not going to be on the show. Stand by, news is next. Cutting through the noise to get the facts, it's Heather Dupesie Ellen Drive with one New Zealand awarded New Zealand's best mobile network, Newstalk SB. Heather Let me guess, Chippy's in back-to-back meetings. How did you hear this? Hey, is he's in back-to-back-to-back-to-back meetings. I think he's having meetings through to all

16:436 November, round about them, taking the day off 7 November, tired after all those meetings. Better would be different if the results were a bit different. Gareth G's, you smart, honestly. Are you a Labour Party model? Are you telling me what's really going on here? Very sober with politics is going to be with us shortly. We've also got Oli Peterson standing by out of Australia. You will have seen, once again, because of course all the other parties were doing things at the weekend and releasing policies and stuff. You'll have seen New Zealand first's policy. Now their policy is to restrict super only to New Zealand citizens. I mean, look, tell me you don't love that. Everybody loves it. Everybody goes, I hear a great idea. Ho wants to be giving New Zealand super to Joe who just got off the plane five minutes ago. The only trouble with it is that actually that's not how it works. I'm just not sure how many people we're going to be cutting out who don't actually deserve it. At the moment, you have to have lived in the country for 10 years to get super. I would argue that it's increasing to 20 years, by the way. That's the crucial thing. I would argue if you've paid

17:45taxes for 20 years, you are entitled to super. If you're here for 20 years and you're still not a citizen, what are you doing with your time? What are you doing with your life? I can't imagine there's a lot of people who've been here for 20 years and you still haven't applied for your citizenship. So I think it's a small number of people Winston will be removing from super. Anyway, we'll talk to a migration expert after half past five about that and just see what the numbers actually are. It's 23 away from five right now. It's the world-wise on Newstalks, it'd be drive. Playing has overshot the runway in Miami, Florida, like I told you earlier. It was an Amazon Prime cargo, paying hit multiple vehicles, five are dead, five are injured. The aftermath was caught on air traffic control. It looks like we have aircraft over around the runway, aren't we? Yes, sir. Now we're going to kill runway 30 close pervert here, aircraft, number one. Yes, runway 30 is closed. To Germany, where their far right party has one big and the local elections, the AFD took more than 44% of the votes in the Saxony and the HALT region.

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19:47under the bright lights because of course it's New York. It must be a real snake. The audition process or snakes of all types try out with Boa Constrictor Princess taking home the role, with a snake called Nala acting as the understudy. International correspondents with NZI insurance piece of mind for New Zealand business. All of the Peters and ABC Perth Radio Drive presenters with us. Hello, Oli. Hello there Heather. Wanna talk about the Warriors? Yeah, hopefully they turn up this week, but they just want to get to see those right. So, you know, like we've seen it here right. So the docus right in the AFL. They were the minor premiership never lost here in Perth. Then last Thursday night, they lost, well, it was something they've lost a Hawthorne. They're in elimination this week. So, you know, I don't want that to happen to the Warriors because, you know what, I'm on your side to be honest Heather. I'd actually like to see you in the premiership, but you know, don't go the Oli Crowe. I don't know why when you say you're on our side. I just, I don't know. And don't feel it. You know what I like your, that's fair. I like your rugby league team. I like cricket team.

20:51I hate your rugby union scene with a passion. Because too good for you. Well, that's, I think, you know, why can't we win the blitters low cup, please? Yeah, well, you always have to dominate that particular series. It's fair. It's fair. There are a lot of three year olds who feel the same about not getting to win races and stuff. Listen, now what's going on? What's the update with the social media companies? So the government will introduce some new legislation tomorrow to double the maximum fine for the social media platform. So we're talking like Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, etc. who are not keeping the 16 year olds off social media. So the final go from $50 million up to $110 million. Now, the government talks tough on this. And we know the rest of the world is looking at this. We know that there's a few European nations in particular who like this idea of batting under 16s from social media. But the government has never forced the social media companies into a particular way to verify somebody's age. And we have heard stories, for example, Heather, where people have shown faces, just printed out faces off the internet of somebody that's over the age of 16. And voila, they've been verified. So this will come into effect tomorrow.

21:56There's obviously political blowback from this. The coalition saying that Labor is trying to simply censor the internet here with concerns at this harmful content algorithm provisions. Give government too much discretion over what people see online. They're much trying to take it towards their political advantage about which ads you might see, you know, maybe looking a little more pro Labor say than anti-Labor, for example. But I mean, if you think about it, you know, you go back not that long ago, Heather. And I'm sure it was some of you ceiling because in Australia, you couldn't show M15 plus, you know, movies until after half past eight at night. Now, obviously, with cable television and streaming and everything, you can watch anything anytime you like. But, you know, as a father of an eight-year-old, a four-year-old, I'm pretty happy that they're going to grow up not being able to access social media till they're 16. Yep. I agree with you on that. The super pay boost. What's the problem with that? So it's going to help push up inflation. That's the argument here by Jim Charmonds, the Treasury. Now, this is one nation's latest policy, and it wants to help renters and mortgage holders dip into a quarter of their compulsory superfits.

22:58Up to three years to ease the cost of living pressures. Jim Charmonds says it's a full frontal attack on your retirement savings. In fact, he's now predicting that this is going to become an election fought on your superannuation. Now, the policy is branded as super pay boost by one nation, and the median worker would be able to access an extra $2,300 a year tax at the concession or 15% super rates. The government, as I said, says that this is going to be inflationary, so all the big superannuation members, funds, and the industry groups, and the light that come out attacking this today. But guess what? The people who are renting trying to buy their first house, or trying to buy a house, and all are going, hey, let me have it. Let's do it. So I reckon this has got a few legs to play, Heather. It's warming the waters and the top back, if you're like, over here in Australia today has been quite mixed and varied. Interesting. Hey, thanks, Oli. I appreciate it. Mate, look after yourself. Oliver Peterson, six P outlaw ABC, Perth Radio, Drive Presented. He switched, didn't he? Seventeen away from five. Heather Dupel-Sialad himself a promotion. Heather, my wife is Japanese. Can't have dual citizenship. Same for Chinese and singer Perians.

23:59She's been here 39 years, paid heaps of tax as not a citizen. Heather, my father arrived in 1960 from the UK still on a British passport. Heather, I'm 83. I've been here 60 years. I've got four kids, seven grandkids. I'm not a citizen. Heather, my husband, immigrated in the 60s with his family as a 10-pound palm when he was 14. He's worked all his life in New Zealand, raised family. Has grandkids never taken on citizenship? Did you see the pattern there? Apart from the Japanese lady, they're all blokes. It's because your wife didn't do the admin. It's because your wife didn't do your citizenship, hey. But she is quite a large number. She's the wife. I feel sorry for us all the time. But it's quite a large number. So maybe actually there, but that's not fair. I don't want to kick you off the super if you've been yes and 14 and paying your taxes. I'm starting to not like Winston's policy at all. By the way, I tell you what I am loving. It's this parenting advice from Nicole Kidman. She's touring for this new movie that she's doing with Sandra Bollock, which looks hideous. It's some magic women magic movie like honestly, come on. You're in your 50s. You're too old to be

25:00doing magic movies. But anyway, they did. And she's doing this tour. And she in the press tour, she's been asked about some stuff and she's popped up and she said she doesn't want to be her two daughters best friend. She's got a 15-year-old and a 18-year-old. And she says she tells them she's their mum. She wants to be their rock. She wants to be the safe haven. She wants to be the person that is dependable in their lives. But she does not want to be their best friend. That is incredibly healthy, isn't it? Like half the problem we've gotten to, half the problem, not all the problem, half the problem with the Ketties nowadays is for mates. Aren't we for mates with our kids? No, we're not. We're their parents. Go Nicole. 16 away from five. Politics with Centrics. Credit check your customers and get payment certainty. Kuleu Wong, the leader of opportunity, will be a thus after five about her party, not making it in on the latest taxpayer union. Curia Pol with us now 13 away from five has Barry so behind Barry. Good afternoon. Heather Wies and Chris Hipkins here. That's a story. I'm going to tell that story in a minute. Don't you worry. We'll get to it. Here's some back-to-back meetings.

26:01Oh, of course. Back-to-back meetings. The leader of the election. But did you also know that in the Labour party they don't have cell phones? No. So you can't reach him in a meeting. Oh. Yeah, you need to, that's the only way to... They're banned. No, it's just like telecommunications are not possible in the Labour party. If you're... I don't know about you, but if I'm in back-to-back meetings, you can generally get hold of me called it. It's called an ethics, not possible with Chippee. Any way. Well, you know. So the taxpayer's union, Curia Pol, what do you make of that? You have to say that probably Chris Hipkins does not want to talk about it because certainly it's not great news for them. Labour at 25.9%. That's the party's lowest polling since July 2024. So that's a long time over two years. They haven't pulled as low as that. And it was down 1.9%, almost 2%. National won't be laughing all the way to the ballot box either. Of course, they've dropped 2% each point on last month's poll. They're at 29%.

27:03But look, like I've said, on many occasions on this programme, this is shaping up to be the first MMP, true MMP election. When you've got the two major parties in there, 20%, 20% to 30%, and then you've got the minor parties who will be sort of basically controlling what happens after the vote. The opportunity party I found really interesting, though, because I think the more policy that they release, the less popular they become. And now, in this poll, I've slipped below the 5% threshold. So if they, if you took the last poll, they would have had eight seats in the parliament. Now those eight seats have simply gone under 5%. So what you've got in terms of the seats is that the current coalition that gets 64 seats in parliament, that would see them relatively comfortably back in government. But even at 64, there's not a great margin between the two blocks, the left and the right block.

28:08So yeah, it's going to be close whichever way, but like I've always said, I believe that the current coalition will be returned. What about Winston doing favours for his mates? Oh, I felt that this is extraordinary because he put out a press statement and there were five ambassadors announced. And right in the middle of the five that had been announced was a name. That was quite familiar to me and it has been for a number of years. John Joe Ensign and very familiar to Winston Peters because he's worked in his office since 2017. And you know, he's been his, I guess, empath advisor, even though he's never worked at empath. And remember Winston has always said he didn't never want jobs for the boys and girls. That wasn't his thing. He said, career diplomats should be appointed to these sorts of roles. Well, John Joe Hanson is not a career diplomat. He's in fact an academic from Victoria University. And Winston tells us though that he's a proud contabrian by origin and a welling Tonyan by inclination.

29:16He said he's got a strong Scandinavian heritage. Hence the ambassador ship to Sweden, which would be rather nice. As far as they're immigrated to New Zealand from Denmark in the late 1940s, so that seems to be the qualification to become the ambassador to Sweden. He's only made one other exception to his role and that was any King to Canberra. But then who would have turned to him? That's right. She was already in place. This was in 2017 when he came and he was really, really vehement about it. Oh, totally vehement about nothing. One of the reasons why Derisayet Trevammullard was left so long in Ireland, Winston railed against his appointment at the beginning of him going to Ireland. What was that? He's there. John Joe Hanson's very close to the Mallard. So, um, yeah. Now, hypocrisy is ugly and this is a case of it and it is, it looks ugly. My question to you is why is John Joe Hanson leaving Winston's office now?

30:20With Winston's policing? Does this mean that Winston's preparing to wrap it up? Himself. When does John Joe Hanson's tenure start? Well, I'd imagine it doesn't say, but I'd imagine it starts early next year. But no, I don't think we've seen the last of Winston yet. I think even on this polling New Zealand First isn't doing great, but I still believe given the crowds that Winston has been pulling in, No, no, no, that's not what I said. But I would be surprised if he saw through the next election. Don't you think? I mean, how old is he's 81? He's 81. He's not going to keep going forever and at some point he's going to want to have a few years of retirement, No, just a few years. No, just to go to the bench. Well, I forget he's had a couple of stints out of parliament. Oh, that was kind of succumbed to being out of the place. So he's had enough time for retirement here, but like me, No, no, no, no. No job to do A, B, the Prime Minister first, Barry. That's right. You've got very much. Barry, so per se, your political correspondence, seven away from five. Looking for the best of verbo? Discover vacation rentals of the year,

31:20top quality homes, guess love from across the country. Our curated list takes the guesswork out of planning, so you can spend less time searching and more time packing. Book your next day now with verbo. It's the Heather Dupesia and Dry Full Show podcast on I Hard Radio, powered by NewsTalkZB. Fearless, focused, informed. It's the my casking breakfast. I've received deposit for first time buys the income cap gets bumped to $300,000 David Cunningham Runscore or Mortgage. This is going to make a material difference? A little bit. Yeah, I mean, in the caps, it's your life at the moment. Raising them to $200,000, it really opens it up. The most young key we've looking to buy at home and gives them access to what's a really good scheme. Are there many people who would come to you with $300,000 between the two? People that are in good professions, they might have been overseas. They're close to pushing over that well over the current cap. Look, the existing caps away too low. It could argue that it doesn't need to be a cap at all, to be honest. Back tomorrow at 6am, the my casking breakfast with Bailey's real estate,

32:23NewsTalkZB. Either I'm a she-life in here since the mid-1980s, paying taxes, rates contributing to the economy, have an extended family of Kiwi Yanks here, and I'm not a citizen yet. Look above, honestly, guys, do you admit? Does it all weigh on you? Anyway, four are away from five. Tell you what, I love an idea that I read about in the papers this weekend. This is Mark Ellis's idea. You know, Mark who used to play the overball? Mark looks out on Waihiki now, and he wants to build what he's calling a Waihiki Omson project, which is like a hotel spa situation. About 180 hotel rooms, 10 Japanese inspired, Rio Convillas, a luxury geothermal retreat, a spa facility, a large hotel venue, a yoga meditation pavilion, and then some car park facilities to go with it. How good does that sound? Tell the locals, though, because the locals don't. But it is people from Waihiki, right? Because of course, people from Waihiki still wish that it was kind of a backwater that only they knew about, and they're really struggling to come to terms with what's going on there.

33:23But they're worried about the theories being chocker, and the roads being chocker, and the poor pipes being overused and stuff. But I love this idea. I have always thought that Waihiki is completely underdeveloped. This is a world-class city that we live in in Auckland. And then you go over there and you go, what, you struggle to find decent accommodation for a decent price. It's always super overpriced, and it all feels a bit hippy, doesn't it? It all feels a bit hippy. And it would be great if there was somewhere you could say to your friends and they come from overseas, or what should we do in Waihiki? Oh, go to the spa darling. Have a great time. You could just see how something like that would just absolutely bring in so much money for the region. Anyway, go him. Go, Mark Ellis. I love this idea. Qle Wong with us next, and then I'll explain what the hell's going on with Chippy. News talks there'd be. I need a thing. I need a thing. I need a thing.

34:25The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions. Get the answers, find the facts, and give the analysis. Heather Dupel-Sea Allen Drive, with one New Zealand awarding New Zealand's best mobile network, News Talk, there'd be. Good afternoon. So the latest political poll is bad news for Labour. It has Labour on, this is the Taxpad's Union Curia poll. It has Labour on 26%, which is lower than the 27% they got at the last election. National is better, but it is still under 30% at 29, and opportunity is out of Parliament altogether under the 5% threshold coming in at 4.5%. The party's leader is Qle Wong, hi, Q. Hello, Qle. How are you going? Well, thank you. Are you worried by that result or relieved by it? I think we've had 10 months of upward trends in the polls across all polls, so we're still feeling really optimistic. And we know that it's going to be hard work. We've got to keep getting out there, doing the work and earning the trust of New Zealanders. That hasn't changed, and we will continue doing that. But this is more realistic, isn't it?

35:26Around that 5%, than the 9% that we'd seen in a Roy Morgan. Yeah, it's so hard to tell, especially for a new party entering Parliament, and that's why we never take any of those polls for grounders. What we do know we need to do is get out on the ground, talk to as many New Zealanders as possible, and we're certainly hearing a lot of positive feedback on the ground. People are ready for change. They want a fresh voice in Parliament, so that's what we can do with it. Right, tell me how it works. If you were to get into the Kingmaker or Queenmaker position, which is what has been predicted in a lot of polls now, you would talk with the biggest party first, and then what? Yeah. Yeah, so we'll, as we've mentioned, we'll set up those clear bottom lines in a few weeks' time, and that gives voters the confidence to know how we'll approach those negotiations, so the kinds of policies we're really going to push for. And if we can't get anywhere with that largest party, if they're not going to agree to those things, then we will go and speak to the next largest party. But what does get anywhere mean? Well, if they can't agree to those bottom lines as a starting point, then we will have to walk from the negotiations.

36:29All of the bottom lines? Yeah, but that's not going to be a long laundry list. I think there'll be some really clear, specific things that we want to achieve in a first-term empowerment. So they've got to be transformators, but they've also got to be realistic. OK, so are your bottom lines going to lean to the left in the way that all your other policies have at the moment? Well, I'd say all of our policies are a range of things from across the political spectrum, and they will be things that we imagine are realistic for either lay their own national to agree with. OK, if you'd like, give me one of your policies that you've released that you would consider to be to the right of the political spectrum. I think our approach to the breakthrough economy, which is about investment in innovation and tackling competition, that's how we grow our economy. And it's been disappointing to see national not really make moves on this in the last couple of years, because your think it would be there bread and butter. Because, you know, there was a set of policies that you released last week, which actually put you quite a odds with the coalition government. Like, you want to restore Maca,

37:30which they've changed. And you want to restore all the treaty principles, which they are in the process of taking out. So that doesn't feel like that's something that you could sit very well with. Well, I think you've seen even with Maca, Chris Finlayson's criticised national for going back on that. So I think, you know, it might be that this current coalition has made certain moves, but that's not necessarily the national party of old, or all national party iterations of, you know, previously. So I don't think those are necessarily have to be seen as less leaning policies. They are about having good crown Māori relations. They may not be cute, but they are not this coalition leaning policies. Do you know what I mean? No, but we're not here to support the current coalition. We are here to work with either Labour or National on a set of policies that will move you on forward. All right, Q. Hey, thank you very much. Do appreciate it. It's Qle Wang, opportunity party leader. Now, just a word about Labour. I am quite perplexed by Labour at the moment, because we ask Chris Hepkins to come on the show today

38:31just like we did last Monday, and like we did last Tuesday. And of course, he's not, because Q is instead. Every time we ask Hepkins to come on the show, it seems to be a similar story, which is Chippie's in back-to-back meetings, and the press people can't get a hold of him. And they can, and just, what a coincidence, but his meetings will wrap up at four, and they will ask him at four, and they will get back to us at four. Now, the problem with four o'clock is the fact that this programme starts at four o'clock. So we're holding a slot for him, and we're holding it right until the point that we're actually on air. Now, I can't tell you how weird that is from a political party before an election. We do not get this kind of a run around from the Greens, or Act, or New Zealand First, or Opportunity, or National, just from Labour. We got a message from the press person at four minutes past four, to say, no, sorry, Chippie can't come on the show. He's in another meeting at five o'clock, apparently. Now, I have to be honest with you, it is making me wonder, this has been going on for long enough, now it's making me wonder where they're actually trying to win this election. I get the feeling Labour's only campaigning at about 60%.

39:31So if Labour is your team, you should be very disappointed because it feels very much, like Labour and Hopkins are phoning it in. How the doop of Seattle. It is 12 past five now. The port of Toe Runga has officially been given the Green Light for its expansion plans. The upgrades will allow larger ships to birth, and it will nearly double the handling capacity. Simon Kebel is the chief financial officer for the port high, Simon. Good evening, Kebel. Do you feel like you can celebrate this now? Yeah, we've got a bit of a smile on our face today. It's been a long time building to the smile stone, and we just really relieved that we're here. Okay, how soon will you get all of this done, and you can say the expansionist finish and the ships can come? It's probably going to take six months to stand up for construction, so there will be consent conditions that we have to meet first, get our contractor in line, and then it's a two-year build time. So two years from now? Two and a half years. Yeah, brilliant. How good is that?

40:31So if you've just been able to do this from the minute that you actually wanted to do it, it would be well done by now years ago. Oh, correct. I mean, we started formal stakeholder engagement from this project in 2019. Now, what is going on with you paying the marais? So you're paying them a million dollars in the next year and then $25,000 every year there after what's that for? It's cultural mitigations. I mean, we acknowledge that Foddy Roa-Murai is in a position where it's had the city and the port go around them, and they have got some genuine grievances, and we think the payment goes towards mitigating the cultural impacts. Are you worried this is going to set a precedent? No, look, we've done resource consensus before we've paid small amounts of money for cultural mitigations, and I mean, it's already been done. It's not setting a precedent. So it's already a thing. All right, thanks. I'm going to appreciate your time.

41:32Make go and celebrate that Simon Kebel Port of Tauranga CFO, they've been fighting it since 2019. Where the doof to see Alan? Update on Brimworth. Now, this has been going on for a wee, but Brimworth's major shareholders have rejected the revised Godfrey Hurst deal. So what happened if you didn't follow this last week is the Godfrey Hurst guys came back on Thursday with 95 cents a share. And that was better than the 90 cents a share that was going to be paid by David Ferrier, who is the, he is the chap who is one of the Brimworth shareholders. There's close to 20% worth of Brimworth, who wanted to basically, he wants to take it off in a different direction. So he's offering 90 cents. They come back at Godfrey Hurst at 95 cents. If you're going for the top dollar, you obviously think you go with 95 cents. No, they rejected Godfrey Hurst because not sufficient support from the major shareholders, which means Ferrier may well be able to complete his deal. Keep an eye on that. Quarter past five. If you're in the building game, this is worth knowing about. There was a significant announcement of Master Build's constructive conference last week with Squirrel launching something called 100% Turnkey funding. Now the idea behind this is actually really simple.

42:34One of the biggest constraints for builders is access to capital. You might have a pre-sold home, a buyer ready to go, plenty more work in the pipeline, but your money is tied up funding the land and construction until that buyer settles. Squirrel's new 100% turnkey funding is designed to help get over that to address that, right? So for eligible pre-sold houses, Squirrel can fund the land and the construction, which means that the builder can keep their own capital available for the next site, the next build, or the next opportunity. This is available to a registered Master Builders from the 5th of October, Teas and Season, Lending Criteria, applying all you need to do is head online and have a look at it. Squirrel.co.nz for full details, or email them, buildatsquirrel.co.nz. Heather Dupesie-Allen. Heather, I agree with you, I agree, Chippie, even in his online statements, you can see his heart isn't really in it. Yeah, I feel much the same. 18 past five. He did, by the way, do a press conference in Wellington, but there's a thing why he's staying in Wellington. I'll explain that later. But anyway, he's done that. So we'll see if there's anything interesting in it and bring it to you. 18 past five. Now, this is a first.

43:35In the last few days, a woman became the first person in Australia to be buried in a mushroom coffin. It's a new eco-barriol service, which is being launched in New Zealand this week as well. It's the brainchild of the Dutch firm, Loop Biotech and Bob Hendrix, is the founder and the inventor of the living cocoon. Hi, Bob. Hey, hello. Thanks for having me. You're welcome. Why would I want to do this? Because right now, you can be pollution when you die, and we offer you an opportunity to be nutrition. How long am I pollution for? That's a good question. Probably maybe decades. And if I go your way, how quickly am I nutrition? Now, actually, the cool thing is that our product, which is a mushroom-grown coffin, we grow them in just seven days, is completely biodegradable, but it's actually itself nutrition for the soil. Yeah. And so we have an opportunity to feed the earth when we die. And it breaks down how quickly. And ideal conditions is actually very fast.

44:36It's 45 days. And then what about the human body? That's also a good question. That, of course, depends on the soil quality and different qualities. But our estimation is around two to three years. Oh, really? Because our products helps to facilitate the decomposition. And if you compare this to traditional products, they, of course, form a barrier, which in my opinion, doesn't make sense because why do you want to become part of the cycle of life, I guess. And we can take up to 10, 20 years. But wow. So do I want to, if I'm in your mushroom coffin, do I want to go in raw, like no formaldehyde or anything? Now, we actually, we, yeah, now that's definitely true. And we actually buried the photographer of the royal house of the Netherlands. And he made a statement. He went in but make it with only his wedding ring. Into the coffin. Into the coffin. Why did he take his wedding ring? That's like, that's a waste of gold, isn't it?

45:36Yeah. I guess he was. He met the lovers of his life. But the cool thing is that you're actually late on a bed of moss. So it's very soft. The product is very soft. We're probably are the only coffin people actually want to hug. Oh, dear. Why are we even doing coffins? Bob, why don't we just go in like, go and Egypt styles, rep us up and some cloth and check us on the ground? True. Now, I think that, I think that's a very valid point. But what I also learned when entering in this industry, you need to basically carry a human around. So also for practical usage, also for ceremonial people who want to have a ceremony. We actually also have an option where you just have a bed and you're late also for mushrooms and you're late inside like a cloth, which is very good, very environmentally friendly. But it's like maybe 1% of people want it. So probably we'll take some time. Maybe in a few decades we'll see it more often. Interesting. Bob, thanks very much. Bob Hendrix, loop bio tech inventor and founder,

46:37have you got that song in your head? Now I've got, I want to lay you down in a bed of, in a bed of moss. Romantic, 522. It's the Heather Dupesia-Landry full show podcast on I Heart Radio, powered by NewsTalkZB. Hard questions? Strong opinion. Heather Dupesia-Landry with one New Zealand-awarded New Zealand's best mobile network, NewsTalkZB. Heather Chippie Alert, he's been spotted on stuff three minutes ago. He's out of his meeting. Yeah, I'll bring you a bit of that in a minute, 524. Right, where do we start with our bonkers, the green supermarket policy is. For a start, it's bonkers to suggest that the government could force private owners to sell their businesses to the government. Governments and stable democracies tend to not really do that because of what it will do to private investors. And I'm not just talking about the ones offshore, but the ones on shore as well. The ones in New Zealand, which is to freak them out, right? Because what if, like let's say you're in a different industry, you own a business, and I don't know, pick whatever, building materials?

47:39What if the government decides it's got a problem with building materials next? And that's happened before. And wants to start just taking your business off you too. That is why you don't do it, because private investors in any business will freak out and start taking their money out of the country, and we will end up poor. There is also the problem of the cost of the green party policy, which seems incredibly low. If Pagan's haven Albany was worth 50 million conservatively without the land and the building five years ago, and every one of the 120 supermarkets for green party plans to buy costs the same, they will need about $6 billion, not the $1.3 billion, they say they will need. Plus, then they need to get more money for the cost of the two distribution centers that they'll be forcing the supermarkets to sell them to. Then there is the problem of what the policy will actually achieve. They talk of it replicating the success of Kiwi Bank. What success of Kiwi Bank? It is widely accepted that Kiwi Bank is too small to make a difference to what any of the four big Aussie banks are doing to the extent that the CEO results to complaining about the four Aussie banks and what they're up to in the media to try to affect change.

48:42And then there is the problem of Kiwi wanting to punish the supermarkets for charging too much, but then she can't say how much is too much, which means any supermarket pricing, any product and any time might be overpricing it, and could therefore end up in court, because they don't know what might be unlawful or not, is 10% too much? No? What about 15%, 16%, 17%, 18%, who knows? Kiwi doesn't know. This is not a realistic idea from the Green Party, starting with, and especially, because of taking other people's hard earned businesses off them by force, and isn't that a uniquely Green Party idea? Here the duplicated Alan. Did you notice, on the rugby, did you notice, at the weekend, how rubbish the quality of the broadcast was? I've been wanting to talk about this for a long time, actually, and finally, some people noticed it and complained about it, is quite a lot of chat on the onlines about it, about the extended crowd shots and how there weren't enough replays and sort of losing the ball in action and so on. Why I wanted to talk to you about this, and I'm glad that it's been brought up, is because I don't know if you realize how excellent our broadcasting is of sport in this country,

49:45like, for all of the failures that Sky Sport genuinely does deserve, you know, us to beat up on them for, what we don't give them is enough credit for how excellent they are at bringing us exactly what is going on in the field. That is very hard, actually, for a cameraman to just follow that ball everywhere, and then get the replays ready and so on. So well done, we are over performing in the quality of our sports, and I'm happy for it. Right, huddles with us shortly, news talk ZB. Here what matters, the facts over the noise, it's Heather Dupticell and Drive with one New Zealand, award a New Zealand's best mobile network, news talk ZB. I know the tears I cooked for. We have habeas Corpus with Chippy. He is, well, he was briefly out of his meeting and he was alive and well, and this is what he said about the rogue pole. I will certainly be leading labour into the election. Look, I'm just not going to comment on every individual pole which we are now in election day. There will be increasing numbers of them. They are the one that we have really focused on as the one that happens on election day. And this is the other thing he said about the rogue pole. Could you explain what qualities of the previous pole

50:48led you to say that it was rogue? Yes, but I'm not going to. Why not? So you're not being upfront with people around? Because I'm just not going to get into a certain area of that. Is it a bit of a simulation? Is it a bit of a misinformation then saying what? This is a rogue pole, but I'm not going to tell you why. I think it's rogue because I don't want to. Do you still have a phone? Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry, so I'm just saying it's that misinformation you've said yes. No. No, he is not, he is not phoning it in. He is putting in 100% of his effort. We're going to have the huddle with us, Trish Sherson and Joseph Begani shortly. But first is 24 away from six. New Zealand first says it will restrict superannuation eligibility for citizens only if re-elected. They say we spend about $2 million a week on migrants over 50 who move here and start claiming the super. June Ranson is an immigration expert with 30 years experience, also CEO of Woburn International and with us, hi, June. Hello, hello, you, Heather. I'm very well. Thank you. Is there any point to this? Because I thought that the migrants have to wait something like 20 years before they could get super. No, Winston always comes up with something every three years.

51:50Look, the idea, these people, when they get their residence, they're typically, especially if they're coming in at the age of 50, that's the height of when they're really strong schools. So they're paying their taxes, they're key we save, they're also the ACC contributions, and they're paying all that, and they need to get something at the end of it. I've never had one migrant come in and say, am I going to get 65 superannuation? Never, never had it. And they do need to get it. Where your problem lies, and as far as I can look at this, are those people that come in, and they're being sponsored by family members, and they do not work, they've never worked, and they are the ones that would in fact end up getting the superannuation at 65. There's no, anything definitive to distinguish the difference between those

52:52that have been legitimately working in this country, and deserve that as opposed to those that haven't. That's where there needs to be a change. Okay, well, what visa would those people be on? But they've usually come in, you're talking there about the people that have come in that have never worked. Yeah, typically, the ones that have come through being sponsored, so it's a residence visa through the family. So, I mean, is there any way to distinguish and carve those people out and say, you can't get the super, or is it actually the simplest, the most elegant way to do what Winston has done and say you have to be a citizen? Now, I don't like the idea of the citizenship, and I'll tell you the reason why. You've got a lot of people who are working for New Zealand companies because they're highly skilled, and they get sent overseas to work for the New Zealand company, and they find it incredibly difficult to be able to clock up those required days in New Zealand.

53:55It may sound ridiculous, but it's a fact. And they have to keep waiting all the time. So, you're saying, is there any way? Well, if we say that perhaps if Enby got their system working right with regard to IT, then it could be captured. Not possible, I think, too. And they will always have problems with IT. It's brilliant to talk to you. I really appreciate your time, June Ranson, Immigration expert CEO and founder of WoBoon International, 21 away from six. The Huddled with New Zealand Sutterbeast International Realty, a name you can trust locally and globally. And on the Huddled with us this evening, we have Trish Schuss and Schuss and Willis PR and Joseph Begani of Child, from the Chief Executive Hall of YouTube. Hello. Is that a weird policy, isn't it, Josie? Yeah, I mean, the basic principle is, if you pay, if you pay, do you get something back? And these people, as she just pointed out, they've come in, they're immigrants, they've maybe lived here for decades, they've been paying tax, they've been paying into their Kiwi Saver and so on. They should get a superannuation.

54:56I feel like what's happening here is a little bit like the Winston Peters approach, yes, but others as well, where you do the thing, you start doing the things that voters say are not the things, right? And what you should do is just do the things that voters say are the things. And there's nobody going out as far as I can hear, saying, oh, there are too many immigrants taking our superannuation. I mean, no one's saying that. What you're saying is... But this is what we, he getting told, and told me is that in the polling, in the focus groups, migration is coming up really strongly, which is why we're not discussing it, but there are pockets of people discussing it, and those people vote for New Zealand First and Act, and National, which is why all three of those parties are releasing migration policies. So yeah, they'll all be focus-scribbing the BG's as out of it. So yeah, somewhere there is... It will be coming out, and it will be coming out from... They'll be focus-scribbing very specifically for New Zealand First or Act. Voters, potential voters, right? So I get that. But it's just a bit of... It ends up feeling like misinformation, right? Because it's just isn't a big issue here.

55:56And also, if you look at what grows our economy, it's migration, it's interest rates going down, whatever the cycle of interest rates, it's the lack of productivity, or the increase in productivity. We need migrants. So, you know, why get into this fight, really? It's not a big vote, when I don't think. I think, once again, this is a headline dressed up as an actual policy for New Zealand First, and it is just banging the anti-immigration drum. Couple of examples here to just see why this is the wrong thing. So you've got two people, right? Person A, permanent resident, lived here for 35 years, worked here, raised a family here, paid tax throughout, but never bothered to take citizenship. Person B, someone who arrives later, becomes a citizen after meeting the minimum eligibility period. If Winston's argument is contribution, how can you seriously argue that person B has a higher eligibility than person A? Yeah. So I think this falls down on this measure.

56:57The other thing that I found interesting yesterday in their announcement, I think they got their numbers wrong, because they were referencing a figure, I think, where we're paying a billion dollars a year to these people who shouldn't be eligible. And they said that's 2 million a week for this group receiving, but that only adds up to about 104 million. I think they might have meant 20, either 20 million a week, or they've got their total figure on it. There's another point here, though, that if you start doing the targeting thing, and I'm a supporter of the universality of our superannuation, we're one of nine countries, not that many, who have universal super. And as a result, we don't have elderly people living on the streets because they can't pay the bills when they're old. So you start doing this targeting where you're going, oh, you're not a citizen, you're a resident, we're going to target you. Then we're going to target people who don't work for longer than years or something or other. You start doing the targeting, you start saying,

57:57oh, you earn too much, we're not going to give you superannuation. Well, then you're starting to really diminish that universality of superannuation, which has been an absolute winner in New Zealand. And before you know it, you've got elderly poverty. But this is, come and speak to the bigger theme, we've just all been discussing this election. It's all very mere, and it's all populist slop. So if you are serious about looking at the problem, the big wave of superannuation payments we've got, you have to look at the age of eligibility, and you have to put in a suite of other measures around it, and you should be talking about Kiwi Savings. And that's why Winston's doing it, right, because he's not prepared to look at the age of eligibility. He knows he's got to come up with something, so he's gone up or target the annual pension. It's the old peanuts under the cup. Oh, 100%. OK, I want to talk about Labour next, so you take a break. 17 away from six. The Huddled with New Zealand's Sotheby's international real team, the only truly global brand. Ligaloolis finance minister is with us after six o'clock, 14 away from six back of the Huddled Trishers and Joseph Begani. Trish, what do you make of Labour?

58:59And where they're sitting in the polling. Agree with your assessment that Hippkins isn't the drag on Labour's party vote that Luxin has been on nationals. I think what we're finally starting to see now in the polls is the fact that Labour hasn't even got the campaign bus turned on, let alone backed it out of the garage. Look at this weekend. We had three policy announcements. We had New Zealand first Greens and National, nothing from Labour. And every... And you had act? And we had act? We did. So every weekend this year, everyone else has been on this vibe, right? Sunday's your day, all get out, nothing from Labour. Slightly different thought on this, though. If I were both Chris Luxin and Chris Hippkins, I would be going and reading very carefully the speech that the Māori Queen gave on Saturday. It was an exceptional speech about leadership and vision,

1:00:01about building a picture of the future you want to take people on, about leaving the past behind and setting out what the future looks like. And I think that's why we are finding both of these leaders so disappointing about Chris Hippkins particularly. I could tell you pretty much everything Chris Hippkins stands against. There's very little I could tell you that he stands for in terms of the future of New Zealand. And the way I'm starting to feel about this is the difference between when I look at the Whiter Matter Harbour versus the Hutt River. Whiter Matter Harbour, sparkly and interesting, Hutt River, that feels like Chris Hippkins to me. How dare you, you Auckland person, you. I refute that. Hutt River, and driving down that motorway on a grey Sunday. On the shallow bits of snow. But it's very bad. You're absolutely right that it does feel like both Labour and National. It's charge of the lightweight brigade, isn't it? But that just not, I think I said last week, they're wandering around the country, travelling around meeting people, stirring up apathy.

1:01:04No one's getting excited, right? No one's getting, and you talked about it before. Heather, people want vision. But with Labour, it's a particular problem. It's the small target problem. And there are two problems with that. One is, look at someone like Keir Starmer in the UK. He did a small target campaign. One a landslide. But then got buried by his own landslide. So that's the problem. You might win an election, but you're going to be a terrible government. And the other problem with the small target strategy, you look at Peter Dutton across the ditch in Australia, he ran a small target campaign. For years, the Liberals were ahead in the polls. Then it came closer and closer and closer to the election. And just failed. So it was a failure on the Liberals part, and Labour's now doing the same. Essentially, you have to say what you stand for. You also, more importantly, you have to deal with the frictions in your own party. So look at Labour now. There are people in that party who still want to see a ban on oil and gas. There are people in the party who want to see, you know, I don't know,

1:02:06banning social media giants or, you know, wealth tax or whatever, right? Or bigger capital gains tax. There's a whole lot of different points of view. You can't deal with those differences by having a small enough target that everybody agrees that they like white bread. Yeah. Then you're, okay, you're just going to try and do a carestime up, but Chris and the Labour Party here are not the Labour Party in the UK after 14 years of appalling Tory rule. So that's not going to work. So they're going to end up like Peter Dutton, where he just absolutely face planted on the election. And elections are not earthquakes. They're aftershocks. So if they leave it too late, then the public have already had an earthquake. They've already made up their mind. They've already gone. These are the issues that are important to me. And they're just going to go, you're a small target. Well, Labour has been frothing over nationals internal shimazzle. If I were in the Labour caucus, my question to Chris Hipkins would be, how are we polling around 25% given that shimazzle?

1:03:07That's how I'm given that shimazzle. Yeah. I think they go low, atrish in 26. Well, and here's the other thing I would say to God help me saying things to Labour party strategists. Yes. But thanks a lot, Chris. Learn the lesson from the last campaign. You ignored the news talks, there'd be audience, and particularly Auckland at your peril. I think one of the reasons that Labour lost Auckland so strongly last election was when Jacinda Ardern turned off appearances on Mike Hosking. And Labour now appears to be doing the same thing. And I'll give you one other example. You remember when Jacinda resigned, and Chippy came out and he had a baseball, dusty baseball cap on and dirty dog glasses. Oh, yeah. And it looked great. And he talked about a policy bonfire. No, it looked really good. It looked like a king class. It looked like my family. But we can come. And everyone went, this is different to the, you know, vogue dressing designer Jacinda. Yeah, yeah. And everyone got excited. And he was going to chuck everything on the policy bonfire.

1:04:08Well, now he wears a sort of slightly oversized suit. He looks like a teenager who's been forced to be best man at his mother's third wedding. I'm sorry. I just don't think he is, he is not comfortable as a people person. And from here, as we've spoken about, the leaders that are going to do well in this campaign, other ones that can actually connect and make voters feel something. Yep. And as I say, right now, I'm feeling like I feel driving by the river on a Sunday on the rear again. Enough about the hut river there. I'm sorry, but it's, you know, he should go back to the dirty dog glasses in the baseball cap and just be him. You know, I feel like he's just, he's lost a sense of himself. He's saying, no, is that him? I'm not. Yeah, I think that's him. Yeah, he's not, it's not me. It's you. It's not as fun anymore. It's fun. It was more fun when he was fat. All right, guys, really appreciate it. I believe you just said that. If he's not coming on the show to defend himself, he can say anything. You can say it. Yeah, thanks. Open slather. Good luck with that, Will. Yeah, you're getting rid of the broadcasting.

1:05:08Be a source, Connor. Trishers and Joseph Agani. Seven. Well, should we come on the show? Seven away from six. It's the Heather Tupacialan Drive full show podcast on I Heart Radio, powered by News Talk ZB. Heather, are you guys doing the front bench to see I enjoyed it last time? Yes, we are, actually. Will, thank you. We're going to, I think, Kev, producer Kev, does the front bench start on the 4th of October? Why have I got that in my head? Does it feel about right? Does it? Okay, and he says it feels about right here. It's four weeks out from the election. The Monday, four weeks out from the election. We start, oh, thank you. It is the 4th of October. Yeah, I lodged it in there. Yep, it is. It's going to be myself, and Trish and Josie and Barry. So you're going to feel sorry for Barry. He's basically come out with boobs because there's so much estrogen in this room. He's going to, in fact, we're thinking about just for just for four weeks, allowing him to identify as a woman if he wants to. Speaking of women, there is a piece on business test.

1:06:10You absolutely have to go and read this evening inside the crisis at the FMA. Now look, I'm like you, right? I'd, the 5th of October, I'll honestly give you, you had one job, the 5th of October. Anyway, like you, when I saw that there were stories about the FMA, I did not care because no one wants to read about the financial markets authority when it's doing its job properly. So no one cares when it's not doing its job properly. Chief executive Samantha Barris, you will have heard, has now departed, which basically been forced to leave, right? But this piece, it outlines the terrible culture. Several sources described an internal project dubbed humanizing Samantha, devised to make her more relatable. It literally included scripting conversations for her to rehearse to then have the water cooler with other staff. Part of it, part of the problem there was in June, 2022, she had 300 staff of the FMA, go to a team building conference in Wellington where they were going to discuss this new organizational strategy. It cost $284,000 at the Pippetia Mettai. Everybody was worried about doing it

1:07:11because there was a winter surge of COVID. So remember that was when COVID was full noise. Guess what? Heaps of them came down with COVID afterwards. Then about six months later, nine months later, they have another conference at the Pullman Hotel in Auckland, another $219,000. Several staff members said they voiced deep concerns about how the restructuring was causing friction with Barris, either directly or in accident interviews. When these concerns were raised with her, sources were taken aback at her response, noting that she used theatrical language, such as, whoa, whoa, and thrice, whoa. Mm. I can see why they had to script some human conversations. I mean, when was the last time you bumped into somebody and they just started doing it, but a shake spear on you, right? It's whoa, whoa, thrice, whoa. Now, that's perfect for the job. Michael LaWillis, finance minister with us next, News Talks at B. MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC

1:08:12Where business meets inside the business hour with Heather Dupesialin and Mass Insurance and Infants, your futures in good hands, News Talks at B. Right, coming up in the next hour, Business New Zealand wants the government to invest more in medicines because of productivity. It will lift it, obviously. They'll talk to us after half past Shane Solly with how the markets in our region have reacted to the latest Middle East action in Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK and at 7 past 6. And with us now is Nicola Willis, the finance minister, hi, minister. Hi, Heather. Now, the latest poll has you at 29% the National Party at 29% under 30. What's the plan to get you guys out of there? To keep talking about our plan to fix the basics and build the future to highlight the proposals of the opposition parties to impose more taxes and to remind everyone that a vote for national equals no new tax. What are you reckon? When is the part of the campaign where we're going to get the really juicy policies?

1:09:13Well, we've been delivering a lot of policy, whether that's universal key, we say the extending paid parental leave, extending eligibility for first-home loans, reducing the student loan repayment rate. We've been delivering a lot. But we're still waiting for labour, aren't we? Yeah, what is going on with labour? What is going on with labour? I want an idea. Very low energy. I wonder whether internally they're conflicted, whether they've actually got one half of the caucus pulling one way, saying let's spend and tax up a storm, and then whether they've got hips in the corner saying, oh, no, I'm afraid if we say that, well, look the same as we did last time and people know that doesn't work. I look, I don't know. That would be for labour to explain. Are they maybe leaving their unlighted deliberately and so just kind of being a no-show at the minute and then they're going to really peak about a month out? I don't think that works, because actually, people still understand the fundamentals, which is their proposing to tax more,

1:10:13spend more, borrow more, and they did that last time. So people know what that delivers. And you can dress that up and you can put lipstick on it and you can call it all sorts of things. But if that's the ultimate proposal, I just don't think that that's a winner. And what campaigns are about is the contrast between the government and the opposing parties. If I look back over the past three years, the opposing parties have made much of the fact that we've had a challenged economy, but they haven't actually been coming up with answers. I've thought it's enough to sit in the corner and complain. Are you still 100% ruling out opportunity? Yes. So what's the strategy here? Are you hoping that if you keep ruling them out, they come in under 5%. They just don't make it over the top. Well, it's a simple strategy, which is they stand for a universal land tax and a universal income. We do not believe in either of those policies. Yeah, but they said they don't have to do those immediately, right? They said that's future future future stuff. It's not going to happen in the next years.

1:11:14But the whole policy platform is built on a belief that they should tax hardworking Kiwis more in order to provide universal benefits to everyone. And we just find the need to be free with that philosophy. Totally fair. But I mean, this poll that we're talking about currently, which is a taxpayer's union, Curia poll, is slightly out of step with the other polls. The other polls say you still need opportunities. This is quite a risky thing for you guys to do, isn't it? I don't think so. I think we need to provide a clean proposal to the New Zealand electorate so that when they go to cast their party vote, they can have complete confidence. A party vote for national means to know new taxes. It means continuing to build a strong economic future in continuing our work to fix the crisis. OK. Listen, I looked at your national first home buyers policy over the weekend. I'm tell you what I'm worried about here is why are we treating people who earn $300,000 combined like they need government support? Well, because we want to see more people in home ownership. And there are many people who are going

1:12:16to buy their first home who can service the mortgage. They can pay the fortnightly mortgage, but they're having a challenge getting together. They're deposit because normally that deposit needs to be 20% of the value of a home. This policy allows them to get in there with a 5% deposit. And so it gives the leg up because fundamentally, we believe in home ownership and we want more young New Zealanders to be able to realise that aspiration. OK. But if people on $300,000 with a family are struggling to raise a deposit, so will people on $500,000? Why have a cap at all? Well, we didn't want a situation where we were giving assistance to millionaires or billionaires. But you're giving assistance to people who earn $3,000? Either way, it's kind of awkward, isn't it? Because you're still giving assistance to people who are on a really good wicked. Well, we think that there are still people in that income bracket who will be struggling to get to a 20% deposit, but on a 5% deposit, we'll get into a home, we'll be paying down their mortgage,

1:13:17we'll actually be investing in their own future, we'll be independent of the state because the great thing about home ownership is it's really closely correlated with people not needing housing assistance, not needing income assistance, not needing additional assistance when they retire. So we want more Kiwis earning a home. So what I'm trying to get to is, what I'm worried about is that we are creeping higher and higher and higher in the pay bans that we think somehow these people need government help, right? And if we're putting numbers on it, would it not be better off rather than, you know, in your case, you're giving child care assistance to people on a quarter of a million dollars, which is a good wicked. Now we're helping people on $300,000 into their house, would we be better off just not putting a number on it so we stop making beneficiaries out of really high earning people? Well, as I say, in this case, we're not making them beneficiaries by definition, these are people who will be paying for their own home, rather than relying on the state for ongoing assistance through an accommodation allowance or some other form of state support. And we think that if you've got more people independently paying down their own mortgage,

1:14:19that's good for their financial security and it's actually good for smaller government as well. Did you see S&P just before the weekend said there's very little difference between your fiscal policy and Labor's fiscal policy? Well, I saw S&P's report and I took the positive news from it, which is that they've affirmed our AA plus rate, which I take as a tick and the box that says, yes, the government has credible fiscal and growth plans and deserve to have good credit from the rest of the world. And they're not worried about where the Labor wins in the next election, because it stays there regardless. Well, what I took from that was that they said that historically, there's been a reasonable bipartisanship when it comes to debt and spending in New Zealand. And really, you can reflect back to Michael Cullen, even Grant Robertson, they always aspired to keep spending in revenue to 30% of GDP. We have recently had a big departure from that consensus with Barbara Edmunds, Angris Hippen, saying, no, no, we're going to shoot for the stars 33% is where it's at.

1:15:22Oh, geez, that's not bad. There's a lot more tax on New Zealand. Are you aiming for 30? Yes, we're aiming for 30. 33% represents around $10 billion more every year. Yeah, 30% is high though as well. You know, it's like kind of shades of the same thing. Well, no, 30 actually, if you look back historically is about average, is about where it's been. And we think that's realistic and achievable. In fact, I said out in our budget, our plan to get there, particularly because we've had to claw it back from the 34% hit under the last Labor government. So we're on track to achieve that labor of proposing to spend in tax billions more. That is a real departure from what's historically been New Zealand's norm. Hey, have you got your bed tax replacement announcement coming soon? We do. And are you announcing that you're going to use the international visitor levy? As we've discussed on the show previously, yes, we do think the international visitor levy is the correct place to go to make sure that local councils can get more revenue

1:16:23to fund the extra costs associated with tourism. How much of it are they getting? I am going to let you wait. One more sleep here, though. It's a coming tomorrow, is it? It's not on it. One more sleep. Exciting. I can't, I'd probably I'm not going to sleep tonight, Nicola, just wait. I can't wait to discuss it with you next week. It's going to be so tired. You're so tired tomorrow for this. I really appreciate it. Nicola will is finance minister. Let me give you the numbers really quickly before we get to Shane Solley. We've got the NZX50 down 0.22% today. ASX50 is up 0.19% so far today. Barrel of Brent crude oil is costing you $93.1. New Zealand dollars worth $59.0. 82 Aussie cents. 51 euro cents. 43 UK pens and 91 yen. 16 past six. One thing I've noticed is when the property market slows, people start looking at what they can do to improve the home that they've already got. And one of the biggest transformations you can make is in the kitchen, A. And that's why I think you do it. Kitchen's are really clever. They have been doing kitchens for 50 years.

1:17:26And they've worked out exactly how to give people a custom-made kitchen, but without that eye-watering price tag. Now, what I really like here, and you're going to like this too, is that you're not stuck with the standard sizes. They've got a U-size-it system, which lets you customize the cabinets to suit the space you've got in your kitchen. And then you've got a huge range of colors and finishes and upgrade options to choose from. Really make it yours. The whole thing is manufactured right here in New Zealand. Once your design is finalized, it's dispatched to you in just seven days. Plus, if DIY isn't really your thing, they've got local experts who are just an email away to answer your questions. So search, you do it. That's UD, UIT, and see why their custom is proudly say, I did it myself. Heather Dupesie-Alert. Oh, you know what? We've got to talk about Shane Jones. Shane Jones is handing out the money again. And I do not like this. And I'm going to run you through it when we get a chance just before half-fusks. It's 19 past Shane Sully Harbor asset management with me. Hey, Shane. Evening either. How have the markets in our part of the world reacted to what's going on in the Middle East? Yeah, so the brink oil price, it's

1:18:26gone up about 1.5% to 9770 after this tip attack strikes between our own and New Year's over the weekend. It hasn't actually slowed you Asia pack markets down the MSCI Asia Pacific Shea Market. It's up 1% today, lead by strength in the Korean semiconductor chip manufacturers. The big reason why they've gone up is because open AI, one of these big foundational models is launching a new model called GP26. GPT6 got the market excited about potential boost in demand for AI computing power. Close to the home, you see on Shea Market, down 0.2% a little bit of weakness in Fish and Park, we have gear in Portugal and Auckland Airport. Tonight we have the US Shea Market closed, so there will be a bit of a delay on their reaction in the US to the around US situation kick off. All right. Now I see Trump want some Fed cuts. Is there actually a case for the cuts? This answer is no. The economic data, it's just too high. On Friday, we had a very strong non-file payroll number out in the US. Market had been picking it, be 55,000 people get a job,

1:19:28but it was actually 162,000. Unemployment rate in the US is at 4.1%. It's just making it very hard for a rate cut. In fact, expectations are a bit so on the Zeptimbo rate. Hike comes through. This week we've got US producer price inflation, a European essential bank rate hike, and US consumer price inflation out. It's going to make a pretty rough tone for rate markets later this week. That's for sure. Now are we seeing some signs we might have a recovery underway? Yeah, look, I think we are seeing some grinding numbers coming through the deep. It's not even going in this space. It's starting to look positive. Tomorrow we've got NZ manufacturing activity data out. In the later in the week on Friday, we've got the business museum performance, the manufacturing index data out. I think it's a bit of a flip of the coin. He heard that if the data is better than it certainly reminds us the economy is quite resilient. If it's not, if it's a bit weak, then it's going to take some pressure away from the NZ to hike rates. Tomorrow we've also got Westpac consumer confidence

1:20:30and the business confidence out. Noisy, that's important because data economy has been warm. It's actually starting to slow a bit. Look, I think early days, companies we've been talking to us, suggesting things are still a bit tough. They're being cautious, but they've been cautiously optimistic. Mainly because they're getting their cost and they can throw here. So, yeah, certainly there's a little bit of optimism side of the creeper out there. Yeah, good stuff. I'm so pleased to hear it. Shane, thanks very much. Make Shane Sully, Harbour Asset Management here. I love the 5% deposit option. This is the only way I'm going to get into an Auckland house paying large rent, two-day, 10-age boys with a lot going on keeping us in a good area with great schools, reduces the ability I'm a solo dad with business struggles. Listen, I'll tell you what, I love the 5% option as well. I just wonder if we just take the cap off, right? Because if you start putting numbers on like 3-hundred-thousand, then that normalises the idea that you need to be providing some sort of welfare to support to people who won 3-hundred-thousand. And then you've got people who are, you know, now we're providing, I don't know if you're aware of a but Nicholas providing child care assistance to people who are on 250,000. So it starts to creep up then,

1:21:31before you know it, we're just doing middle-class welfare all the time. I think you take the cap off, let everybody have an option for the 5% and then there wouldn't be a number that we can attach to welfare dependency, 623. It's the Heather Dupesie Alan Dry full show podcast on I Heart Radio, powered by News Talk ZB. Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, all on the business hour. With Heather Dupesie Alan and mass insurance and investments, your futures in good hands, News Talk ZB. Right, Shane Jones. So Shane Jones loves handing out money. That party don't pay a New Zealand First. The latest money he's been handing out is the first recipient to the gas security fund. Now I don't know if you recall this, but this was a fund of life. I think it was about $200 million that they set up to find more gas. And the first recipient is Todd Oil and Gas, which is going to be given up to $23.5 million in loans to attempt to extract more gas from the existing onshore fields in Taranaki. My question to you is why?

1:22:32Why are we given, and Todd only has to put 10 million of their own money in. Why are we giving Todd money? It's privately owned by the Todd family. They are estimated to be worth $3.5 billion. I would have thought that they've got more than enough money. This, I mean, middle class welfare grinds my gears, but corporate welfare grinds my gears even more because there is no explanation for it. And Shane is not a front, but with the sounds of things, Shane has provided very little detail even to the point that he won't say what rate they're paying on the loan, because apparently that's commercially sensitive or something. Why? Why is it commercially sensitive? What are they going to do? Pull out of the deal if we know what it is, which can't tell us. 627. There's no business like show business. Down the sweet little light. A long room at top secret dock meant to finally see the light a day. It's about Elizabeth Holmes. Remember her? She's the former billionaire who founded the blood testing company Theranos. She claimed that her company had developed technology that could test for a range of diseases using just a single drop of blood, obviously it didn't work.

1:23:33And then she was convicted of fraud and she was sent to prison. But a month before she went to jail, she invited a camera crew to document her life and tell her side of the story. But it wasn't just any old camera crew. It was Nathan Fielder, who's the Canadian comedian and filmmaker behind some of TV's most bizarre and elaborate documentary projects. If you don't know Nathan Fielder, his comedy is really dry and deadpan, but his projects can be quite big. In his HBO series The Rehorsal, he spent millions of dollars recreating entire buildings, airports and other environments so people could rehearse real life social situations. In the first trailer for his new documentary, he does not seem to be a fan of Elizabeth Holmes. I don't know if anything to deceive you on. Of course, I'm not deceiving you. I'm engaging with you as a human being. Hmm? Why would I deceive you? There's no... There's no reason for me to do that. Okay. All right.

1:24:35Okay, good chat. It had a secret screening at the Film Festival in Telluride last night and the newly released trailer promises it will hit theaters sometime in October. How good. All right. I'm going to circle that one to watch. A business New Zealand next on white wants the government to invest more in medicines in this news talk's airbie. Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour, with Heather Dupesiala and Maz Insurance and investments, your futures and good hands. News talks airbie. Kevin Gray is out of the UK for us in 10 minutes time. And where to, by the way, well done to waiter. I mean, talk about a consistent achiever. Where to FX has been given an early Emmy award for the work they've done on the final season of Stranger Things. They did most of the visual effects. There's some anti-aging, de-aging that they didn't stuff like that. So well done, then they're always doing well, aren't they? 24 away from seven. Now, business New Zealand is calling on the government to invest more in medicines. It's released a report which says for every dollar that the government puts into medicine

1:25:36it returns $1.93 basically double it to the economy. And the CEO of Business New Zealand is Catherine Rich, high Catherine. Good evening. How does that work? Is it basically every bit of medicine we give people makes it more likely that they go to work? That's right. And I think it's something that a lot of your listeners would think to be a known truth. But we've just collected the economic evidence for it. If you spend more on medicines and try and get the expenditure for New Zealand around the OECD average, there'll be long-term benefits for productivity, people turning up at work, let alone the quality of life for a lot of New Zealand families. What medicines would you like to see more money put into? Like what are the ones that are going to provide the greatest return? Well, PharmaC has quite a good system already in terms of analysing new medicines. And they put, they do an analysis and make sure that it's a good investment. But they have about 134 medicines currently on their books.

1:26:38They've ticked all the boxes for, but they just can't fund due to not having sufficient budget. And a lot of those medicines relate to cancer. The most recent high profile example, which is a good one, would be the recent funding of tri-cafidophysistic fibrosis. And now that was a drug where it was very clear that funding that could add up to 27 more years of a healthy life for a Kiwi. And it took a long time. Now, there are others in the pipeline right now. It takes up to six years to get a new drug through. And these are drugs that are available freely, not just in Australia, but around the globe. So Catherine, I mean, obviously the stuff that, you know, abates cancer and allows somebody to live for decades, but there's very expensive stuff would work quite well. But does it also include things like antivirals, which might mean that you only take a couple of days off instead of seven? Yes, I mean, that's why Business New Zealand gets involved in these sorts of issues, because we'd argue that health is one of the biggest assets

1:27:40you own as a person, and as a contributor to the economy. If you're healthy, then you can go to work, you can contribute. And it certainly, if you're treated well, it keeps a lot of people more active. And I think one of the things that's concerned many people who have advocated for greater funding is that we all know that we have a health system here that doesn't deliver modern medicines that are freely available elsewhere. Sometimes drugs are on, are treating people around the world for up to a decade before we even see them here. And that's why we argue for greater funding of medicines in New Zealand, at least to the OECD average. Which is what, 13.3% in where it's 10.3%. Yeah, Australia 12.2. Yeah. But that's a huge amount of money that we have to lift it by, right? Where are we going to get that from? It is a significant amount of money, and it does require a reapportioning of current health budgeting

1:28:44as well as an uplift. But it's worthwhile, because if you know your family members have access to modern cancer drugs or drugs for diabetes, depression, you name all the various ailments. We do know that it will have an impact on people being available for work, but of course, improving their quality of life. Catherine's good to talk to you as always. Thank you for your time. Catherine Rich, Business News, New Zealand CEO. Heather Dupesie Allen. Hey, I'm surprised. I forgot to talk about this, and no one picked me up on this. But one of my first question, in fact, my first question to Qle1, was, are you relieved that you're at 4.5%. And nobody asked me why I asked that question, and I didn't explain myself. So let me explain myself to you really quickly. The last poll that they were in put them at 9%. That is just like impossibly high for them. That's ridiculous. So the problem that they were facing was that they were going to keep on going up, and keep going close to the election, and then crash once the scrutiny came on them.

1:29:45It looks like I wouldn't call this a crash, them sitting at 4.5. Wouldn't say it doesn't go quite that far, but they've come back enough for it to be a recalibration. This may be the other side of the peak, right? So the peak, they're coming down again, and now they can build themselves up. They should be relieved by that. They've taken the punishment already, and they've still got, which is basically like two months to the day before the elections, so they can still build themselves from here. Geez. Have you seen what's happened to the guy in America who was the host of Well of Fortune? This is wild. Chebs' name is Jim Thornton. He was on a plane in May, and he was sitting on his laptop. He's sitting in the aisle seat in like economy way back where somewhere, right? So it's all cramped and stuff, and he's got his laptop out and he's typing. And another passenger who's sitting on the other side of the aisle leans over and sees what he's doing and takes a photograph, and then sends it to the cops and alerts the airline hostess, and clearly has now also, because this is happening in May,

1:30:46is clearly now also alerted the media. He's sitting there on his laptop, on that plane with people all around him, having a chat and a peto chat group. How weird is that? He's talking about how he's gonna go look at some photos of kids, he's talking about how he goes to look at places where there are really cute kids, little hot little girl, like gross, doing this in full view. And I don't know if you've ever seen anything like this, but when they go into their weirdo peto chats, it's like old school typing. It's like, I don't really know what I'm talking about here, because I don't go on the dark web, and I don't really know what, but it's like that 1990s computer typing. I don't know why, maybe because it's untraceable, it has all good, like encrypted or some stuff. Anyway, the flight attendant comes over, tells him to shut his laptop. He then freaks out, realize he's been busted, because of course he has, because he's sitting on a crowded plane. He panics, he starts Googling on his phone, whether anyone could online trace to the chat room that he was hosting, that a chat GPT or whatever it is, tells him no. Unfortunately, though, of course, for him, but fortunately for the rest of us, so we can know what a creepy is,

1:31:46who hasn't, who was busted him, took a photograph, and then they sent it to the media, told the cops and stuff. Cops greeted him when he came off the plane, he's been fired following a thorough investigation into the alleged incident. Just how brazen can you possibly be? 17 away from seven. It's the Heather Dupes-Sea Alan Drive full show podcast on I Hard Radio, powered by NewsTalkZP. If it's to do with money, it matters to you, the business hour, with Heather Dupes-Sea Alan and Mars Insurance and Investment, your futures in good hands. NewsTalkZP. I'll tell you what, there's some very cool footage that's up at the moment of a crash in the China GT championship in Shanghai on Saturday. Guy who crashes his car as a British racing driver, Oli Milroy, and he crashes his car really badly in a burst, and he's in a Ferrari in a burst, and to flames. And then a Dutchman pulls up immediately after him, and the camera footage is from inside the Dutchman's car, and you can see the Dutchman just fling himself out of his own car.

1:32:46Run back and grab something. I don't know what he grabbed, maybe a pen knife or something like that, and goes and runs over to the British guy's car, starts fighting the flames, tries to drag him out, gets a fire extinguisher, puts the fire out, drags him out the other side. That guy basically saved the British guy's life. It's very, very cool that there are people who are competing against each other, and are prepared to stop and put the other person first. 14 away from seven. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent with us. Now hi, Gavin. Hi, there Heather. How the heck of the AFD in Germany getting this poll result? Yeah, this is a big, big moment in German electoral history. The far right party alternative for Deutschland or AFD has now been cleared as a decisive victory in Germany's eastern state of Saxony and Holt. And not just was it a victory, it was a big victory. They've secured 43.8% of the vote. The conservative CDU, one of the big parties normally just at 17%. So less than half that vote.

1:33:48These are interim results. We don't know them yet. Saxony and Holt's a small population, just 2.1 million. But the AFD is very, very popular there. And it looks like they are probably going to get 39 seats of the 83 seat parliament. So that is slightly short of the 42 required for an outmire majority, but these are preliminary results. But it sends a huge alarm bill around Germany now to say, look, the alternative of Deutschland, which is pro-Russian. What would that mean for Ukraine? Is looking to try and minimize references to Hitler in history books and teaching and so forth. And he's very anti-migration. So all of those things are going to come into play now. And we're going to see how these negotiations get on to form some kind of a working majority. Now the leaders of AFD say we're not going to just form some kind of a coalition for the sake of it. If necessary, we'll call another election in order to try and get an outright majority. But the mechanism of that is far from clear.

1:34:49OK. These anti-migrant protests that are happening is someone organizing them? Yes. And very well organized, actually. It's a guy called Danny Tomo or Daniel Thomas, this is his full name. He isn't associated with the better known far right activist Tommy Robinson. He was live streaming the latest incident. So last night, our time, hundreds of protesters gathered in Portsmouth. Portsmouth right down pretty much in the middle of the South Coast of England. And they were there because a boat carrying around 140 migrants in a single dinghy were rescued in the English Channel and brought ashore there. And now this is extraordinary. I think it's the first time that one of these migrant dinghy's is ever actually come ashore in Hampshire. Mostly they're down to the extreme South East Coast and the fear is now this will open up a new route in. But what the protesters doing were all in black. It seemed almost entirely men wearing face coverings at Balaklava's were trying to prevent the coaches

1:35:51that had been pulled up by the British government. We're trying to prevent those coaches from leaving the city area and going to an immigration processing center. And they didn't succeed. There was a dispersal order that was limited and now pushing and chewing and throwing with the police but pretty limited. And they're pledging to carry on more saying, we must stop the boats. But this is the second incident in just two days. The first was down at the Dover, down at the very busy, very busy. OK, so they want to stop the boats. But the boats are arriving. I mean, the problem isn't had your border as it is at the French border. So what are they hoping to achieve? I think they're hoping to pressure the government into the whole immigration thing becoming unworkable. And so unpopular that in the end, they are hoped to get the government to be more serious about stopping it at source. In other words, in the EU. OK, I see what you say. All right, now, how do you go about petitioning the king? What's the process? Very complicated. This from the Jamaican government,

1:36:52which is meeting today the king and are going to present two King Charles a petition over slavery reparations. So the petition asks for three questions. The judicial committee of the privy council, the country's highest court, is going to be asked over the legality of the enslavement of Africans in Jamaica. And the three questions are whether the enslavement of Africans in your maker was legal under British law, whether it broke international law, and whether Britain now has a legal duty to provide redress. Well, back in 2015, the then prime minister, David Cameron, ruled out making reparations, saying it was a very sorry saga, but it all been sort of done and dealt with. Because when it was abolished in 1833, across most of the British Empire, the British government paid a then $45 million New Zealand dollars to slave owners in compensation. But that, of course, was to the slave owners and not to the slaves. Incidentally, the loans taken out in 1833 were only paid off a decade ago.

1:37:52Now, of course, the Jamaicans appear to be coming back and wanting money for those reparations. I think the government is saying, we'll listen to you. We need to work together to improve both countries, et cetera. But I don't see any money forthcoming because of course, if they start with one country, there will be an awful lot more coming down the road. Yeah, too right. Gavin, thank you very much. As always, good to talk to you. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. Heather, I bet if you got rid of everyone in the health department that had communicational policy analyst in their job title, you could afford any number of drugs. Now you're speaking my language. I had a way from seven. Heather, two shares, what I'd say to the last test. Stop it, friend. We're all going to start agreeing with each other on this show in a minute. Heather, maybe Farmac could contract the mongrel mob to bring the drugs in. Do you know what Angus is like? I mean, you, okay, you've got kernel of a good idea there. But I wouldn't go for the mongies. Because what the mongies are doing is they're just redistributing stuff that they're getting from within the country. Now, we don't have these drugs in New Zealand, right? So what we need to bring in the big guns, the common heroes. That's who you want to get to bring this stuff and the Vietnamese as who you want to get

1:38:54to bring in this stuff and promote offshore. So, you know, if we're getting to the point, I mean, once Chloe and those guys are finished, you know, communising our supermarkets and New Zealand first breaks up the Gentailers, maybe we are going to be so poor that we're going to have to rely on basically nicking cancer drugs from other first world countries. From, sorry, I say other like we still are, from first world countries. And in that instance, that's when we call them the common heroes. For now, though, I think we can probably see if we can just work our way ourselves out of this. Just try to earn a buck. By the way, did you know how I was telling you last week about what was going on at the US Open with the influences and their ring lights and stuff turns out that is because the US Open created an accreditation category for you. So, if you are a member of the media, you can get accredited, right? And then you go and sit there and report on it. And they have a special category as part of their accreditation for influences. So, they were basically inviting this problem and a hundred influences were accredited. So, they knew they were going to have this trouble with all these people getting a bit squiffy on the apparel spritz and then, you know, taking photos of me babes. Anyway, it's not going to happen at Wimbledon

1:39:56because they're not putting up with it. They are not having an accreditation category for the influences and they prohibit spectators from going on court with any items which in the reasonable opinion of the All England Club may be used to disrupt any matches played at the championships. So, it's not going to happen there. Andy, thank you. The old ways are the good ways here. With Wimbledon, thank God for them. Now, you mentioned a song earlier called, Bed of Moss, which I ended up spending an embarrassingly long amount of time looking for. Is it this one? Is it Bed of Roses? Yeah, they were, didn't you just ask me? Well, because I kind of wanted to, you know, surprise you in the end of the day. Oh, you're so sweet. I think yes. I can't wait to get engaged to you. And, yeah, neither. Anyway, that's the song we've got today. It's just so weird. What? Do you hear what you just said to me? Yeah, do you know, because you were like, you know what I mean? I worked in my head. Well, like, that all made sense. This is producer Andy, by the way, because Ans is still on his extended rave. Oh, is it? Is three-week rave? Andy, are you with us tomorrow?

1:40:57I'm not with you tomorrow. How will I be surprised at the end with a random song? Hey, you have done a fantastic job. Thanks for the film. Thank you. No one would have noticed that, Ans wasn't here. I'm going to head off before I, like, ruin Andy's day and see you tomorrow and use Tuxi B. I'm not lonely. I've got nothing of room for you. I'm tired of their friend. I want to lay you down in the middle of Rosé. Hold it high, sweet, for the better man. I want to be just as close to you. How will we go, Stis? Lay you down.

1:42:01Lay Rosé. For more from Heather Dupesy Allen Drive, listen live to NewsTuxi B from 4 p.m. weekdays or follow the podcast on iHard Radio.