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0:00Here are the highlights from the latest episode of free talk live. Visit freetalklive.com for the full episode in the studio tonight. It's Stu Riley, O'Bill, Mr. Penguin and Mark Edge remotely. I understand you guys had a nice time today doing some, some things. That's right. So for the listeners who don't know and are tuning into the show in the car, wherever around the world, around the country, internet, whatever podcast. I'm running for office here in New Hampshire in Keene. I'm running as a state rep. And my campaign is based on a couple things, bodily autonomy. So you know, drug freedom would be part of that. And also, lower property taxes for people because families need to move here to New Hampshire. I think it's an important place for families. And if property taxes are absurdly high, families are not incentivized, moved to a place where there are high taxes while they're starting out with a family

1:03or any get their first home, you know, things like that. So I'm running as a state rep to hopefully lower property taxes and get people more bodily autonomy in the world. So, oh, and in the way I promoted my campaign today was I went to downtown Keene. And I played my backpipes. I did not wear my kilt unfortunately. I do have one anywhere. It'd be cool next time. But it was so much fun to have a few people come up to me, talk to me about my backpipes. And the cool thing is, and this is going to surprise a lot of people. The backpipes from here in New Hampshire, they're not a lot of backpipes, makershops in the world, maybe like, you know, I wouldn't think so, especially now. At least two dozen twenty twenty six, right? Yeah. But not a lot. And so it's just nice to play. I've set up backpipes made in New Hampshire in New Hampshire, campaigning for New Hampshire. See, yeah, that those are some legit backpipes. See, these aren't like, you know, some kiddie, you know, you know, junk that comes out of China.

2:04Those are like serious backpipes and they are loud. And like I was thinking this afternoon when I was listening and you need an amplifier. But no, you don't need an amplifier. There's, I mean, yeah, everybody could hear you. I, I miles away. They could probably. Maybe not miles away. But I don't know, man, those are things that I don't know how do they get them that loud? Like I really curious. It's not like it's got any kind of audio equipment inside it, right? No. It's just naturally loud. Yeah, it's, it's, those are some pretty crazy backpipes. That's why the scots use them for war. Oh, is that what it is? Oh, that's interesting. I would explain it. Yeah, they're loud though. I can tell you that. Yeah, it was definitely, definitely interesting and, and few man that's a underestimating it. There was a ton of traffic passing. I know I'm okay. So what Riley's blind, right? Riley, you're blind still. Yeah, as far as I know I'm blind. Okay. So Riley, you couldn't see it, but there were a ton of people, you know, just watching you and surrounding you that whole time. So to say a few people, I only had a few come up to me.

3:08Few conversations, you mean? And even that, there was more than a few conversations that I want to say. I want to say there was at least four or five people that came up to you. But yeah, it was so it was pretty cool. You had to sign out there. It says, what does it say exactly? Do you remember your slogan really? My slogan is vision you can trust. Yeah, I love it. That's great. I like it too. That's really fun. There's always a blind. It's just hilarious. And that's way better than just standing on the corner waving at people that they drive by most people do. So yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. But yeah, no, people could in the street. I mean, so this is like a main street, downtown main street. And there was just a ton of, ton of people today because it was, I guess it's because it was a nice day and it was Labor Day weekend. It's a Labor Day weekend. It was really nice today here in New Hampshire. I think that might be a music festival going on anyways or something. I don't know. There's still going on. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I mean, I mean, most, I don't know, I shouldn't say most, but like frequently, like you go downtown in afternoon and there's not really that much traffic going by. I mean, there's just people out and about and stuff and don't get me wrong.

4:09We probably have one of the business main streets in that country, you know, outside of like a tourist destination maybe. Yeah, it's, it's usually like, there's a little bit of traffic, but not ton of traffic. So today was definitely a good day to be out and doing a little bit of activism and promote your political run here. There was some, there was actually some other news. So apparently Matt Roach has announced his campaign. And do you know what you, do you guys know what his slogan is? No. It's, I believe it's a lower property taxes or something along those lines. Okay. I was kind of interesting because you were, your slogan's a little different, but it's, yeah, same, same objective, basically. Yep. His is more of a standard, you know, politician looking time. It definitely is more standard. No, I'm curious. Do you know, are you in, are you running and competing for the same seat or are you running on a Republican side, you know? I know his running is a Republican. I don't know if I'm competing for the same seat. It'd be funny if we were. I suspect he's in ward five and you're ward four, but I don't know.

5:14Because he doesn't live around here. So, and I want to say ward five is, I suspect it's probably like my area and then like further out, but I don't know. Right now though, we're going to go to the phones. We've got Dave Ridley on the line. Dave Ridley you're on free talk live. What's on your mind? I can't believe RIO would say something like that for, for play the police. Oh, that's funny. I think you're being sarcastic there. Yeah. Yeah. Dave. Did you have one? I wanted to talk about, by the way, that's absolutely wonderful news. All of these runs for office, especially Riley, that's a, that's a absolutely winning strategy. You know, the property tax, the, the bodily autonomy and the backpipes, that's going to be hard, harder to lose than you might think. We'll see. That's an optimistic position, I think, but I like it.

6:20Are you running as a Democrat? I am actually. That's good. That's really good. Yes. So, interestingly enough, for the listeners who don't know, when I turned 18, it was 2004, the election was John Kerry and George Bush. I registered as a Democrat because primarily my family voted Republican. So I registered as a Democrat to kind of troll them a little bit. I did not vote Democrat, however. I don't remember who I voted for, probably constitutionalist party or something like that, but I did register as a Democrat in Utah. Well, I called into the, I called it into the local show in keen, you know, a week or two ago, and they assured me that there's going to be an exodus of free stateers from the, from the state house. Really? Who's saying this? Oh, the authoritarian, the run of radio station. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. So this is the local keen station. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're probably nuts. Most of the people voting for local elections don't even know who they're voting for.

7:22So they're just voting straight up Democrat or Republican on the, the idea is generally free stateers, runners, Republicans. Certainly the seated president does poorly in his midterm of a second term. The seated president is Republican. Therefore Democrats will be liable to win the, how United States house. And that does seem likely. Yeah. There's also some claims that they'll win the United States Senate on the edge. I'm not predicting that. Yeah. But most people when they vote will vote all the way down ticket. The idea being as well if I'm going to vote for this party this time, then I might as well vote for all of them to give them a chance to do their good deeds all across the nation. Now remember 40% of the nation would vote for Stalin, for Democrat Hitler for Republican. It's that 20% in the middle when they decide to vote that makes the decision as to which

8:25team of liars and thieves we get this go around. Yep. For sure. So that's is that they're going to lose for that reason. It is. I don't think so. I've talked to many insiders because it's really important to note that wishing really hard doesn't win elections. You've got to decide who the jurisdictions are. You got to knock on doors. You got to do all kinds of stuff. I think that's what happened last time from the sort of the Democrats and the socialist leading side. They just couldn't believe that Trump would be elected a second time and it's like well, they also got overly confident in thought that well, from all of us going to win this, people are tired of Trump. Nope. I guess they're not tired of Trump yet. No. You can see how the midterms turn out. Well, I mean, I think these, I think that the Democrats were were delusional in particular, the last the last run. And I mean, I think they're both sides are delusional, but you know, both Republicans and Democrats to be honest, but it's the last time the Democrats were like though they were expressing

9:26it. And it was just like, are you guys like listening to yourself? Like do you really believe what you're saying? And honestly, I think they do. It's, I don't know how, but they do. It's because a lot of them live in their ivory towers. They're a little snobby, I've noticed. And they think that everyone deserves health care and things and they think that's a logical position to have, but they don't think through the ramifications of saying everyone deserves health care and clean water. Well, systems have to work in order for these things to happen. These politicians, they, they say slightly different things, but like they end up doing the same thing. So it's like it, I mean, I don't want to say it makes no difference, but like a lot of it is, it's just, it's only a slight difference. Whether you, you know, end up with a Democrat or you end up with a Republican power, they just, yeah, sure, maybe one will, you know, maybe fund the military slightly more, slightly less. But it's like, you know, even when they say that they're going to do things like open the border, like the Democrats said they were going to open the border or something to that

10:27effect. And, and then they got elected or whatever and then like they didn't do that. And it was like, like what did you literally said you were going to open the border? And then it's like, and when you quit, you call them on it, it's like, oh, I didn't mean that. It's like, well, what did you mean by open the border? Like you said you were going to tear down the, tear down the wall or, you know, something it was like, what does defund the police mean? Yeah, right. Like when they say it, what do they mean? They said they said something like defund, it wasn't like defund the police. It was like defund the border, you know, the border people or whatever. And it's like, if you defund the border people, there's no, there's no, there's no border, right? Or some reason they had a problem saying abolish the police. And so they said defund the police. I don't know what the difference is. We got Sarah in New Mexico. Sarah, what's on your mind tonight? Yeah, that was at the church today. Page question. I was getting the vote out. And I think the two Republicans are just like, I'm not, I'm not going to vote waste my time

11:31or energy. The base figure is that they're going to lose the governorship. So they're not going to bother with it in New Mexico. That's pretty likely, right? Well, they're very certain about it, but they're not going to even waste their gas to go to the polling location. They're not going to even bother two of them. But that's the, that's not an answer to the question. Is it, is there a remote possibility that a Republican wins the governorship in the state of New Mexico this term? I think we got it because she, Deb Holland, she's polling at like 12%. And a lot of them. Deb Holland is a Republican or a Democrat. I'm sorry. I don't keep track of them all. Holland is a Democrat. She's a 12%. Yeah, he's a head 12% ahead 12%. Sorry, 12% and a head 12% are big. There's big difference. That's huge difference. But what does that mean? So the margin of error might be 2%.

12:34So you might ask me when by 15%. I don't know that I'd waste my gas going to your church either or or or to vote in New Mexico. Right. Well, yeah, he, I could tell that they were talking. If he was saying that he's got so much money piled up, I have been seeing her television commercials and no commercials for the other candidate Republican Greg Hall. So he's got no money. And what's peculiar is that Shubbong has been donating campaign funding for Deb Holland. And it's a Democrat. Huh, wonder why you think that might they might be getting an opportunity to drill. You know, like, hey, look, Deb, it looks like you're going to win. Here's some money to make sure that happens. And when the opportunity comes, be sure to slip us in. Look, I know you got to play this whole eco green thing, but you know, when, when the rubber hits the road, Chevron gave you some money, right? Like it's a dinner.

13:34That's me. They might go out there and campaign for you and they might say, Hey, this, this, uh, portions for you or this sex changes for you or whatever, but they're not giving the money. Chevron gives the money, Deb. So remember. So the Greg Hall is not getting any money from Chevron. So there's no, because he can't win. Why would you give money to the guy who's going to lose? Yeah, he's the right way spending on somebody that's not going to be in there in the first place. So I guess they must be going by the polls and these guys are going by the polls too. So I mean, I think the polls will kind of mess up when it comes to presidential elections. But for the state elections, they have to be pretty much, um, pretty accurate, pretty close to it. So. Hey, Sarah, would it be better if you could have two Democrat candidates to pick from? Then a Democrat, no Republican. I'm just saying if you had an actual race, that wasn't, you know, it wasn't already decided.

14:37Everybody who knows, everybody knows it's going to win kind of thing. Would that be better? Would it, to give you more choice? I mean, it is what it is. I don't think about it, but I just, I prefer that we had a, like, it's an easy thought experiment. You know, that's, that's that important. Um, I think we had the primaries and we dwindled down to the last two. So I think other states with it is California to top two. They don't care if it's a two-debt Republican to Democrat one. Mixed match. It's like the top two gets it, you know, and so in California, you have the possibility of two Democrats in the top two, I think. Anyway, so what was your takeaway from these two Republican people in your church saying they're not even going to waste their time going to vote? Well, you know, that, well, I'm so happy they're out of the way. Of course, I did not tell them that.

15:40So I thought, I thought you guys were supposed to be all four voting. Well, I know only only for the Democrats. Oh, only for people who are likely to be the Democrats. She wants voting for people she wants. That makes a lot more sense now because they're, yeah, okay. I said, I was giving him a comment of vote. They keep pying me. Um, asking me who I was going to vote for is that I don't push the candidates. Because I have to be fair to everybody that wants to vote either way. So that I did, I say, but you know, every person, every one Republican I talk to, I'm taking, I'm talking to five Democrats. So that's why I do that. So, but I never told them that I was happy that they're going to be shoveled out of the way, but it's just that she's going to win with a higher percentage. And that puts a lot of sale in her wins. I mean, when there are sales and more, yeah, you know, she could do things. Is she one by like 25% or 18% it's just she's, she's got, um, she could do more.

16:48What are what are what you mind? Yeah, yeah, it's a popular already contest. Last night, they kind of teased that I would read this story. So I guess I'm going to do it even though it's not exactly the topic I'm most interested in. But, um, I did find this interesting. What's the story? The this one coming from the globe, Amish consider New York Exodus over vaccine mandate as Supreme Court fight looms. Wait, there's Amish in New York. Yeah, the panel is there is. New York, I'm just saying. New York's Amish community is taking its fight over the state's school vaccine mandate back to the US Supreme Court and some families say they may leave the state if they lose. The dispute stems from New York's 2019 decision to eliminate religious exemptions from vaccine requirements for school children. The change came under the then governor, Andrew Cuomo following a major measles outbreak. According to a report, the New York post published on Wednesday, August 26th,

17:49Amish parents have been fighting the mandate in court since 2024, arguing that forcing them to vaccinate their children violates their religious beliefs. New York is home to an estimated 25,000 Amish residents. Do we believe that? That there are 25,000 there? No, no, that there are that that that giving getting a vaccine could violate someone's religious belief. Yes. Yeah, why would I mean why would it not be possible? Riley. I would say that it potentially could be, although my question is why would you religion prevent a vaccine? That's you know, I don't know. I guess the reason would be that God will decide what diseases you get and which ones you don't. So intervening with medical stuff as against it. I don't know. I mean, I don't know either. That's why I'm asking. My closely held philosophical beliefs, right?

18:49That are informed by my belief in God and these sorts of things. Say that anything that is forced upon you is probably bad. Yes. Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that's probably a true statement. So I don't know if the God of this world, right? As the Bible calls him, the devil is in control of the government, but the Bible kind of says he is. Yeah. And I haven't seen democracy to be a very good way to figure out what's good, right, just fair and valorous. So it definitely does not. I would guess that if the devil has control of this world, as the Bible says he does, I'm not making this stuff up. I'm just reading. Then he is able to use the powers and principalities and rulers and heavenly places

19:50in order to get some large percentage of the population to do what he wishes. I'm not sure whether they're in the Democrats or the Republicans, but I'm pretty sure that many of them hold office. I'm not even sure if they're shape-changing lizards. I don't know any of this stuff, but I would be able to go ahead and say that, yeah, if the same people who brought us the mRNA vaccine are trying to say that you must get, which vaccine is this? I guess that would be MMR. The MMR. So this is measles, mumps, and rubella, right? Now by the way, when was the last time you heard of anyone dying from measles, mumps, or rubella? Now measles is up. There's no doubt about it, because fewer and fewer people are getting the vaccine in many cases because they don't know anything about it. I think they're claiming two deaths in Pennsylvania last week. There you go. Two people have died. Yeah, it's definitely an increase in some of these. However, I wonder how many people have died from MMR. Yeah, but this is like, and we can't get an accurate number on that,

20:52because the virus reporting is all messed up. Yeah, this is kind of like banning suicide, like with the death penalty. It's just, it's so stupid. According to the outlet earlier this year, the Supreme Court sent the case, Miller V. McDonald back to the second US Circuit Court of Appeals. I already read this part. Said the appeals court ruled against them, and they're taken to the Supreme Court next month. If the challenge ultimately fails, attorney for the Amish confirmed to the outlet, some of the members could leave New York, possibly relocating to Pennsylvania, which is currently battling, measles outbreak. Two people died in Lancaster County last week. That's, they said it was the first measles related deaths this year, and the first in Pennsylvania in 35 years. And we're 393 confirmed cases, and 70 people hospitalized for it. So, I mean, according to those statistics, to me, this doesn't sound like something you need to be all worked up about.

21:55It's not going to kill you. It's, I mean, one thing it's worth pointing out is that there's 30,000 people will die in America this year, in the next 12 months from driving in a car. Now, that means that parents are making the decision that they and their families may perish, but it's worth it to be able to travel from one place to another. Now, I don't know about the calculation that these Amish parents are making about their kids. I think when their kids have families of their own or whatever, they should be able to get the MMR vaccine if that's what they want. But if their parents decide for whatever reason, not to give them the MMR vaccine, I think that that's their right as a parent. Now, you could say the Amish will be cultivating measles, mumps, and rebella, and it's going to get us. But I mean, no American cares whether the state of Chihuahua,

22:57right there on the border of the United States, I think, is whether what the rules for MMR vaccines are there, but they could very well spill across the border and cause problems here. But somehow, the Amish, who largely state of themselves, are a problem. And this is kind of where it all kind of falls apart. It's the magic polygons, right? Somebody made a polygon on the globe and said, this is our part of the polygon. Everything that happens outside the polygon, who cares? That's foreign affairs. Everything that happens inside the polygon, that's domestic affairs. I get to have an opinion on domestic affairs. It doesn't matter whether they're Amish or Old Order Amish or whether they're a fundamentalist Mormons or their Hawaiians living off and their own little huts. Whatever, I get to have an opinion. Yeah, kind of crazy. I will bet you that vaccine compliance is

24:00very low amongst the illusion Indians in Alaska. But again, Americans don't care. New Yorkers don't care about that. They care about what's going on there. So I, for one, welcome the Amish to move to New Hampshire, where we have rules that will, they can do what they want in their own families, come here, do what you do, raise kids, we'd love to have you. Yeah, I wouldn't be worried at all about your unvaccinated children. Nope. A spokesperson for the New York State Department of Health defended the mandate in a statement by the New York Post confirming that its responsibility is to protect public health, keep New Yorkers and their families safe and enforce the law fairly and equitably. Attorney Haram Sasser, who also represents the plaintiffs, questions, if the case extends beyond vaccines, have we gotten to a place where we aren't going to make room for the Amish anymore? He asked

25:02per the report. It was kind of the kind of the thing you brought up there. Like, do you just push them completely out of your society because you don't like that they don't vaccinate their kids? Or don't practice the same religion you do, the same way you do, etc, etc. And to your other point there about, you know, communities having a spill over what are, if you're vaccinated, why are you that worried about, about, you know, an outbreak, or are you protected by the vaccine? Yeah. Well, I, I know, I'm an argumentist. So some kids can't get the vaccine. I know. I was just about to say that. Like, you know, that counterargument, though, the very small percentage of kids who can't get it. So if your kid has a special medical condition, they probably shouldn't be in public school and you probably shouldn't be worried about it. Anyways, I think that's the better way to go at it. Ultimately, you know, the, the choice you have to make is, are you going to force my family to do what you want because you want it or not? And that's what it comes down to. Yeah. We had, we had the, we had five years ago, we had, you know, six years ago, whatever it is, we had a very

26:08clear case and a lot of Americans about half of them were like, yeah, let's force people to get this untested vaccine. Now, is the MMR vaccine untested? Kind of. Yeah. Because we really don't know whether it's good or not. I'm sorry, but none of the doctors are nothing but drug pushers. Okay. And the drug companies won't give us fair information on vaccine. Mark, Professor, I remember you, that was four. There were forcing people to take that vaccine. Don't close to it. There was a lot of jabber job going on. There was, there were a lot of incendants in place. I'm just thinking like it wasn't, that wasn't the case in New Hampshire, but it was, I was wondering if that was the case elsewhere because you made a lot of people lost their jobs. You had to, you couldn't go out and go out to eat. You had to stay home. You didn't have that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I remember now. Okay. Yep. So I don't know whether that's forced, but it's close enough as far as I'm concerned. It's not, but I get it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

27:08I would have. And if you read the internet, there are darn sure some fat blue hairs that would have loved to have held you down and forced you to get the vaccine. But you know, there was stuff I guess that was forced probably, especially in some states, but like, yeah, it wasn't forced on individuals. It was just, but the businesses might have been forced to keep people out who warmed vaccinated or something like that. So I get it. Yeah. That is, that's, I mean, it's a problem in and of itself. It's just sort of slightly different. We've got David and New Mexico. What's on your mind tonight? David. Remotely Mark Edge. Go bananas. And let's see. So, oh, first of all, Mark, what is this, this free talk live solicited hit on my life that Bonnie put out last week? What is what told me about that? What's I'm not sure? I have no idea where you're talking about. No, you're not. You're going to get money to kill you. We're all clueless on this. She is her. Why are you Bonnie's friend? Maybe it could be you. Are you

28:10Bonnie's friend? Am I? Yeah. Well, I'll take that as yes. Yeah. So yeah, could be, it's the same house as her sometimes. I said, I sleep in the same house as her sometimes. Does that count as a friend? I thought that was Collins job. I don't know. Anyway, so but no, Bonnie put out a hit on me last week or right on air. What's up with that? I don't know. I have to, I have to hear this to, to believe it. She said this, you know, right when, you know, coinciding with when she was hanging up on me, she said something about that she would call her friends to beat me up, something like that. So indicating that Bonnie's in the habit of when she doesn't like some dude that she has some, you know, maybe some gay friends that will do her favor and go and beat somebody up for her.

29:13Is this some sort of joke because this doesn't sound like Bonnie. This wouldn't beat up anybody. No, it sounds exactly like Bonnie. Bonnie. No. Yeah. Bonnie might be vicious, but she's not violent. There's a big difference. If Bonnie wasn't so vicious and violent, why did Ian run away and hide in the cage so she couldn't get out of him? Okay. Now you're just being okay. This is funny. Well, that's what it is, right? I mean, why else would a man spend eight years in a cage if it wasn't because his wife likes like that? Like that. Yeah, like that. Well, you know, this is radio. I can't say what I'm really thinking. What I really want to say, Mark, after you use euphemisms. I understand. Yeah. Okay. All right. So you guys are speechless. So how about the, the, well, wait a minute. Let's go and reverse chronological order.

30:13What you're just talking about, which kind of ties into the other thing I was about to mention about he ha, he ha, he ha, he ha. Oh, and by the way, Riley, Riley, you don't know bull or bulls because I've come face to face with hundreds of bulls, including rodeo bulls, and they're all puppy dogs, just big old puppy dogs. They wouldn't hurt, they wouldn't, they wouldn't hurt a, hurt a, whatever. Well, they'd hurt a fly because they got that tail. Right. It's a flottet fly. It depends on what you're doing to them. Yeah. They can get pretty aggressive. Hold on. In an intact male adult male animal is dangerous. Just consider it that way. Bulls are big puppy dogs almost every single one of them. Yep. So we're mountain lions. I, I, I'm happy that you can treat them that way. And I, I do wish you the best, but I do not agree with your assessment. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. How many bulls have you ridden, Mark? Zero. I was given the opportunity one time though.

31:16Okay. Well, I've got dozens ahead of you then. And how many bulls were you around on a daily basis when you were growing, growing up on a, on a farm that had 300 cattle on it from, uh, birth until you got the hell out of there and went to college. We didn't have 300. We had, between 10 and 20 at any given time. We had one and two bulls. We would often have a steer. Then, and you're, you, in what manner, what definition of have is this, Mark, that we're talking about? I did not pay polically. Are we seriously having this conversation on there? We're going to have it. Yeah. Well, he's, he's trying to besmirch my, my red neckness. And I got to say, I'm pretty red necked. This is, this is, this is, this is a pretty funny conversation to hear. Yeah. What's, I, let's go back to, I asked the same question of two, but he kind of dodged. It's too said. It depends on what you're doing to the bull. So what, what have you done to you? I mean, he's had them apparently. I had to round up a bunch of cows into the

32:17corral before and watch my cousin get kicked in the lake pretty hard. Tells him, look nice. What did you do? What did you do? Once he had him confined to, well, I didn't do anything. They were getting branded. I wasn't doing the branding. So you're, what you're saying is that, is that she wanted it. What, why, why did, why did you get kicked in the, wonder something? I don't know. What are we talking about? I don't know. I just, I saw my cousin get kicked pretty hard by a cow. It doesn't look very nice. That's a dangerous animal. Yeah. Well, yeah. There you go. I didn't say cows or puppy dogs. I said bulls or puppy dogs. How is it that the three of you guys have had so much, so many interactions with bulls? Dead side of the family is from Roosevelt, Utah. They're ranchers. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Chris, dude, do you like a good ribeye now and then? No, not really. What? Flaming on your, your a flame? No, not really being in that either. Oh, God. He is gay. What are we talking here? ribeye?

33:22I'm a ribeye man. Generally, I prefer mine prepared in domino co. If I can get it. Oh, what? What? What? What? My ribeye prepared Delmonico. What the hell is that? Mr. Hoydy-Toydy? I don't know what that is either. It's a smoking method. Penguin brought, brought up a topic that sounds interesting to talk about and I've got an article pulled up here from Fox News. It's the, yeah, three Sanders wants to ban AI. A reputable news source. You know, coming from Fox News, this article ought to have plenty of slant. Sanders pushes death penalty for crucial US industry that could give advantage to foreign adversaries. Senator Bernie Sanders, independent Vermont? Is he independent now? Yeah. He's always been independent. He's independent sometimes. Oh, okay. I don't want you to help. He could help a UE, so I wouldn't know. So is he so left so far left that he's like runs as independent as that would it is? Or is it just like

34:25he's further left in the Democrats in Vermont? Oh, is that the case? I don't know. I don't know. I was asking that. Is that I don't know enough about socialism like socialist politicians? I wouldn't know either, but it seems to me that he's pretty far left, but the Democrats will in Vermont like him because he's going to vote their way. Isn't he a rep in Vermont? At least an elected state rep. No, he's a senator. So, uh, yeah, well, senator and senators are rep too right like they're not. Yeah, yeah. What beyond it? I mean, the rep is just representatives. Anyway, yeah, he's Vermont senators. Senator, but not a house rep, but okay, Senator burning centers and rep and rep Greg Kazar Democrat, Texas introduced legislation Thursday seeking to hit American artificial intelligence developers with a corporate death penalty and up to 20 years in prison, a move critics warn will hand a crucial edge in the global AI arms race to Beijing and Moscow.

35:29The ban artificial super intelligence act would temper, want a lovely name would temper or advanced AI development and establish a cabinet level federal agency authorized to oversee the physical destruction of non-compliant tech systems likening advanced AI creation to the unlawful development of nuclear weapons. The measure explicitly targets systems capable of matching or exceeding human cognitive performance. Specifically outlawing any AI model that exhibits the capacity to subvert shutdown commands, execute unauthorized cyber attacks or undermine the US government. Wow. You know, you have to wonder if these people actually believe the sci-fi stuff that's coming out like I'm sure it's not over reacting. This is the most absurd, crazy thing that you could possibly

36:31propose. I understand having liability for companies that take a model and implement that model in some system that then causes, it's maybe supposed to test for cancer, but it causes cancer or some percentage of the time. So it ends up at a rate higher than curing cancer. I get it. Well, I ability there, but you don't ban the model. You don't ban AI because it was misused in some way. I mean, you go after the corporation that implemented the technology or you go after the individual user who misused some technology. You don't ban AI, but the United States government does. Clearly, but this is so dumb. Why is it dumb, Chris? Because you're not first of all, you don't even solve the problem because other countries are, it's not going to be banned everywhere. And so other countries are still going to use it. So all you're doing is creating a circumstances under which your population is disenfranchised and

37:34likely unable to defend itself. So like, for example, one of the examples I'm pretty sure they're going to bring up is hacking. So like, AI is now hacking systems. Right? And so it's a huge threat. Well, if you're trying to defend against AI systems that are hacking you, first of all, you need to fix the code. You need to fix the bugs. And if the AI is going to help you fix the bugs, you're going to want to use AI. If you go and ban AI, well, then you're going to have a situation where you're even more vulnerable and unable to defend yourself. You know, like, it just doesn't make any sense. You're literally creating your creating circumstances under which you're more vulnerable, not less. Makes sense to me. But while progressives frame the measure as an urgent check on AI oligarchs, experts are warning that imposing sweeping criminal penalties on US firms will severely handicap domestic innovation while foreign adversaries will be able to continue expanding their

38:34capabilities on checked. It's not even just innovation. It's defense. You're literally preventing us from defending ourselves. How defending from what? So you're anger. Okay. So there's already security issues like in the software, for example. Right? And so if you're unable to use the AI to find the bugs that you can then just fix the bugs. So the other AI can't hack you, right? But the other AI, the other AI is still going to happen because it's not happening in the United States, it's happening externally from the United States. And you can only regulate what happens in the United States. You're literally just creating a circumstances under which you're even more vulnerable than just allowing it. Okay. Yeah. I guess more computation equals a higher level of online security. I mean, ultimately, the security issue is that there are bugs. And those bugs are people have a

39:35harder or harder time finding those bugs, right? But AI has an easier time. At least that's the theory. So if you allow the people outside the United States, which you have no control over to use AI to hack you, but you can't defend yourself by using AI to find those bugs that humans can't find easily. Yeah. Yeah. It's. They're mandating tracking. The government has mandated tracking and like remote shut off on carers and like all sorts of things. Here recently, I think it's been the lead or something recently. Probably because of technology doesn't even exist. But they passed it. And it was, I don't know, it was probably like within the last couple of years, they passed like this law that like every car has to interconnect with every other car and like report its location and all sorts of, you know, interconnected data. Not even AI stuff, but just this interconnection. Right. That's rules on the manufacturers for new cars. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And at some point, they'll try to ban all cars that don't have these capabilities. I haven't seen one of the

40:41rules I believe was something along. Now, this might not have been the same, you know, the intercommunication bill or something. It might be was a different bill. It probably was a different bill. But they're going to like force like alcohol, breathalyzers in every vehicle. Something like that. Have you guys, did you guys hear about that? I think it's best be for newer vehicles. Right. I don't know for sure. That's what I mean. Every new vehicle, like manufacturers are required to have this. And I don't know if there's, I don't know if it's happened or if there's a new generation of vehicles that are coming out or out already that have this. But yeah, can you just imagine everybody's going to be assumed to be a drunk driver and you're going to have to like breathe into something in order to turn your car on. It's absolutely insane. But that's like what they passed. Yeah. That's just, that makes me not even want to. Yeah. Moms against drunk driving or whatever it is is absolutely nuts these people. Yeah. They're kind of rabbit, aren't they? Yeah. No, like I get it. Like I get it. There's a lot of drunk driving and we can reduce drunk driving. But the the

41:42laws that like they're pushing are just so ridiculous. I mean, give me a break. Yeah. That's emotionally driven thinking. Oh, yeah. Definitely. And that usually doesn't lead to, you know, positive outcomes usually makes things worse. Just maybe in different ways, but it makes things worse. It's like, do you want your kid in a cage? Because that's where some of these kids are going to end up as a consequences of this, you know, these laws. I mean, I get it. Like stigmatized drunk driving. But that's, you know, you don't necessarily need to pass a law every time there's something that you don't like. That's right. My friend Jay Nune suggests that you buy like, I don't know exactly here. But essentially a vehicle before, I don't know, 2000 and something. And specifically, a pickup truck, because it's more versatile. It uses more fuel though, whatever. And then he likes diesel because it can survive an EMP. If EMP type of diesel, it's the mechanical ignition

42:48diesel or something like that. I can't remember exactly. I've heard him talk about it. It won't survive an EMP if it has any kind of like, tronics. Basically, you know, there are some that are essentially mechanical enough that you will still flexion the course. Like maybe the EMP fried the battery, but you can just swap that out and you'll be right back up and running with what? There's no batteries. If you had a shielded battery or if you can repair the battery, if you can shield it somehow or you have a stock file, a shielded battery is on that complicated. You could just make a new one. Yeah. I mean, I don't. Battery is not that complicated. They're really. I mean, you're just talking about, oh, I guess you guys, you're talking about this like the starter battery, maybe. I don't know. They have you make one in school out of a potato? Yeah, but that's over simplifying. I mean, okay. So I'm thinking like, you're looking my own batteries and I think they're way more complicated if I'm not mistaken to make those. But anyway, and when it comes to density and other stuff, but what I understand, they're simpler batteries, right? Yeah. So essentially, if you fried the battery, you either over oxidized the diode or the anode or something tells me you're

43:51not going to be able to start your car with a, you know, a homemade battery that you say these ones though, even from a potato. You can just park it on a hill and get a bump start off it and run it without a battery. Yeah. I mean, once it started, but yeah. That right. What this specific time type that J. Nune talks about? Yeah. Yeah. Well, one thing I can tell you for sure is I know a little bit. I don't know a whole lot about cars, but I do know a little bit about cars. And what I can tell you about like, you know, the tracking stuff is you, yeah, definitely go for like a 2005, you know, anything that's like much newer than that, it's going to be like, it's got all, even the stuff from 2005 has got tracking stuff in it. There's most people don't even know this, but there's a black box in your 2005 vehicle. Yeah. Should we start a put in on-starring all their vehicles, I think, in 2002 or something? Yeah. And some vehicles, it's even earlier that some of this, you know, malicious spying stuff has been put into cars. So like, you got to be really careful when buying even cars, older cars. If you, you know, if you don't want all the tracking stuff, some of it, like the black box isn't

44:55quite as bad. Like, you know, this, so this started in the 90s and the late 90s, I want to say, it was mandated by law. And it basically like records like the last 30 seconds or something, something like that of like the driving, if like you're in an accident. So like, it's not anywhere near as bad as the newer stuff that's constantly tracking you and sending, sending your data and where you've been, for example, to Google or whoever, right? And then that's being sold to your insurance carrier. But it's, there is some amount of like privacy invasive garbage in the vehicles mandated by law in vehicles that are newer than like 98, I think it is, something like that. Riley brought in a story. Just one of this from Reuters. And people in the source kind of on topic for where we've been. This is FBI probes report of data breach exposing millions of drivers licenses in US and Canada. And people want to centralize digital ID. Huh. Yeah. I wonder what that's going to do to America. Yeah. And the data.

45:59That'll be good. And the funny thing is you can just go on the dark web and buy any of these. I know. What's good as a digital ID? What's good? What is good? What good is any of the these drivers licenses? It's like, you know, they could pull you over before they had the drivers license. It's, this isn't like this innovative thing. It's this ancient thing that shouldn't even exist. Yeah. I agree. The FBI said on Wednesday, it was investigating a report that tens of millions of drivers licenses belonging to people in the United States and Canada were being sold on the dark on Tuesday. The independent journalist Brian Krebs said he had discovered a dark website selling digital scans of millions of drivers licenses from people in the US and Canada. He said he confirmed the authenticity of the data being sold with nine people. In a brief statement on Wednesday, the bureau said it was looking into the incident, but could not comment due to the ongoing nature of the investigation. The breach it confirmed could be one of the largest ever exposures of government

47:05issued identity documents in North America, creating risks of identity theft and fraud for tens of millions of people. Krebs said he was alerted to the site after it was advertised on our Russian cyber crime forum with his own drivers license being offered as a free sample. Krebs said the service that guy, they hate that guy. That's why he's like a researcher until he's like a security researcher for I'm not mistaken. He's like targeted like people that are into preaching, like packing and preaching and selling drivers licenses and data and personal data and so screen him, where's that kind of thing? So he's kind of a villain amongst the people. He's a villain amongst the villains. Yeah. And they're not like in the sense that like he's one of them. He stands against them and so like yeah, to them, he's a villain. Yeah. Krebs said he was alerted to hang on. His idea was being

48:13offered as a free sample. Krebs said the service dubbed Nexus, claimed to have tens of millions of licenses for people in the US and Canada as well as millions of other identification cards and travel documents and hundreds of thousands of medical records. Krebs said that the site appeared to be updating its database of stolen data in real time, indicating that it was being fed by a live breach. Zach Edwards, a threat researcher at the cybersecurity company Info blocks, said the incident was unprecedented in terms of its sweep. There's never been a breach of drivers licenses at this scale. Said Edwards, who added that his own license was available for sale on the site. Edwards said that the ongoing nature of the breach means that this attack created legitimate national security risks for high profile individual. Oh my god. That means it doesn't matter. It's only for the high profile individual. So this is a problem.

49:16I just think it's all I guess he's kind profile and that's why I concerned him the most. I think it's funny that they're calling this a national security threat like seriously. Like this. My driver's license in it. Of course it is. But it should not be. This should not constitute a national security threat. Like they should not be able to then use this data to then like you know do something right like that that's of any significance like. Oh my god. Okay. Keep going. So. Roiders could not establish the source of the stolen data. CREBS quarter to representative of New Orleans based identity verification provider ID scan.net as saying that it was investigating the matter. Isn't that one of these providers that's like like doing you know like age checks and stuff or Facebook for social media. So we ended up with a social meet. It sounds like we ended up with a with a national security threat as a result of passing like these age verification laws is what it's sounding like to me right now. That sounds right to me too. Yeah. Like like literally and it's absurd. Like it's not a national security threat even though they want to you know

50:22presented that way. But at the same time it's like it is a threat. It's just like it's a threat you should be concerned about. We shouldn't have passed those laws in the first place. But like oh my god it's not a national security threat. It's not a threat to the existence of the nation. Yeah. And certainly the solution is not going to be the one that they land on. Yeah. The solution is the national security threat. It's all their fault. Oh yeah. Looking at it from a different perspective. You're right. Right. The solution would be stop creating the national security threat instead. They're going to you know we got to crack down on something. Going so they keep the people under control though. It's absolutely. Yeah. It's been paying attention to the bond market at all. No. No. It's the thing I check daily I'll check silver price copper price bond market. Things like that. It's been going up the rate. Is it supposed to fund market generally suggests recession right? Correct. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Maybe it would be going up. Seabonds going up or down. Yeah. I was just trying to think he's like wasn't there something going on with like I don't know the debt or something and somehow it.

51:32I don't know. Some some problem is creating. Basically if the if the bond rate goes up that means the US government is now paying a higher interest rate on what it owes which at this point is more than 40 trillion. Right. Right. And that's bad. I mean for taxpayers. Well, it's bad for global markets. Yeah. Right. So I got this story from Peter G Peterson Foundation. Never heard of it before but they've got a readable article here. So on July 31st, 2026, the 30 year Treasury bond yield closed at 5.27% its highest mark since 2007 while there are many interactive and complex factors in the global economy that affect the interest rate environment. Investors are demanding higher compensation for holding US debt as ratings agencies have serially serially warned US debt growth is unsustainable and global investors appear to be weighing the risks of financing US deficits more heavily.

52:36That's risky. Yeah. Well, you know, historically they've called the bond market the safest market. So we'll see how safe it really is. It's only safe and you know, until it gets out of control. And it's gotten out of control. So yeah, these pressures have only intensified since July on August 19th, the US Treasury announced that starting September 9th, it would at least double the size of its long dated security bybacks in an effort to lower yields. While yields briefly dipped, they rebounded by the next day reflecting the fundamental forces that drive bond prices, including continued market worry about the state of US finances. Noted investor Stanley Drucken Miller argued in an August 24th Wall Street Journal op ed that treasury was attempting to manage yields rather than the Treasury's stated objective of supporting liquidity and that the long term Treasury yield is the only fiscal disciplinarian the US has left.

53:41The gross national debt crossed 40 trillion the same week as the Treasury's buyback announcement debt has grown by 17 trillion since the beginning of 2020 and the congressional budget office expects it will reach approximately 64 trillion within the next decade. An increasing share of that growth is attributable to net interest costs, which are now the fastest growing and second largest spending category in the budget. That's insane 64 trillion with the end of the decade. I think they both are estimated. Yeah, but that's still astronomical. We're we're 40 trillion dollars in debt guys. I remember we were two trillion dollars in debt. Yeah, you know, the debt situation was out of control. I just imagine 64 trillion dollars in debt. I mean, we're talking about 30 years ago, probably, but. I mean, yeah, it's amazing to imagine. But the pattern has been around for a while. It was like, I can't remember exactly the numbers, but basically it doubled under George Bush.

54:44It doubled under Obama. Well, it's whatever there's a war. What's that? It's whatever there's a war. We're constantly at work. And the United States hasn't not, but I think it's been at war every year except like 17 for its entire 250 years of existence. That's right. So almost all the time. But this was it's been a little different since the sort of 2000s. And it's almost predictable. I predicted that at the end of Trump's term, which is to say 2024, it would be 40 trillion. And it was 2025. So it's pretty predictable. Maybe it was 2026 and it was I predicted 2025. I'm not entirely sure. But I wasn't off by very, very much at all. And the next prediction is basically eight years from when it went to to 40 trillion, it will be 80 trillion. So I think that 60 something trillion is a good number who knows. I'm not predicting it. I'm just saying because it kind of it doesn't go linearly from 40 to 80.

55:46It has some good years and some bad years and it kind of looks the way. But yeah, I mean, it's going to keep going up and nose. I feel like the appropriate response to this is to give those bond holders a cut haircut. How does the haircut, the haircut approach. I don't even know where that comes from, but it's like an expression. Yeah, it's a cypress, the Cypriot haircut. Yes, yes, yes. But the bondholders because people investing in the government, like, it's just a bad idea. All written all over it. Right. You're enabling theft. You're encouraging theft. You're saying the US government ought to default on some of the bonds. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it would also discourage people from lending government money, right? I wouldn't be. And then they couldn't, they can't spend what they don't have. I mean, the only other, I mean, there's, I guess, the alternative to that would be inflation. And of course, that's, you know, people are going to see that and they're not going to like that. And so maybe they curtail or spending.

56:49A lot of bond purchases exist in people's 401Ks and stuff if I'm not mistaken. If you hit the 401Ks, right? Yeah. Everybody's going to take a hit, but at least it'll be, you know, the people who, you know, enabled it. Yeah, that'll certainly make you own popular though. They don't want to hear that that their actions have a ramification. The alternative is to a lot. It's like, do you want it to totally collapse or do you just want a nice haircut for pretty much everybody all around? Because I mean, that would also, in theory, have a consequences of, you know, doing things like cutting the police force it by, you know, gosh. No, that's why we adopted the Federal Reserve of the first place so that we could just never have a ramification for our actions. You just heard highlights from the latest episode of Free Talk Live. You can download full episodes, subscribe to our podcast. Listen live and more all for free at freetalklive.com.