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0:00Here are the highlights from the latest episode of Free Talk Live. Visit freetalklive.com for the full episode. With you on Free Talk Live tonight, you've got me, Bonnie. Laurie. And when? I wanted to start with something really sad and awful that I don't like really want to talk about, but it's also like important to, in my opinion. I think that you said you hadn't heard about the donkey. No. So this donkey named Heha that's just a baby and had, you know, it was like three feet tall and wore a diaper and is really cute and couldn't hurt anybody. Even though a grown donkey could, I'm going to give that like disclaimer, I guess, right off the top or right off right in front because it's just like that was something some of the defenders of the cops who fatally shot Heha have been saying, yeah, maybe a grown donkey can. I'm not sure if he was a miniature donkey, but they were referring to him as a baby donkey, very scientific term.

1:02But he might not be miniature, but he definitely was three feet tall and not able to hurt anyone. So basically smaller than some dogs. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, coconut's one foot four. So yeah, that's just like two coconuts and a half. So some dogs can be that tall. So he looks really little and he was also not just any donkey. He was a petting zoo donkey. So it's not like he wasn't like socialized and was around children every day and didn't bite them. And the woman who owned him considered him her son. So it's very, very sad. It's not just like a, you know, typical property dispute in my opinion. It's like somebody's family. And so this, I got it from a Facebook link, which popped up when I first searched it, but it's from WNEP.com. Georgia Police Chief releases video. Wait, they did, oh no, they released a video talking about it.

2:04That's stupid. I thought was saying they released the body footage just because that's still a thing. They're still trying to get the body cam footage. Because it's lost in the ether and they have to hunt it down. I guess the department just doesn't want to release it yet. That's why it's just a, it's a good shoot, right? It's yeah. Yeah. Did he have to violent donkey? Did he miss a couple times? Um, I heard he tased it first. Really? Yeah, that's what I heard. I don't know if it's true. That's very crazy. I would think just tasing it would stop it. You know, that's what I was kind of wondering. I was like, why didn't he just tase him? But um, I have been mostly not to either thing. It's a tiny three foot donkey. I was just thinking like if you actually were scared, like at the very least, like credit I could give someone to, or like, like the most like what's the word, like empathy I could give to someone like who was scared of a donkey at the least. Can you just, you know, like, tase it? You know, but they're already like trained to like kill dogs like that.

3:06Right. They kill way more dogs than donkeys. Like I was like talking to one of my friends about the donkey thing and coconut was there. And they were like, he looks like a donkey. I was like, don't say that. You're scaring him. I was like, oh, wait, coconut. They already kill more dogs way more dogs than donkeys. Way more. Of course, he was really scared to hear that. I'm just kidding. So what did the donkey do? He ran towards these people in his property in the middle of the night, praying in his own pasture. He's probably scared. Exactly. Well, donkeys are like, like watch doggy type animals. People have them on their farms a lot to alert for like coyotes and intruders and stuff. So he was probably just doing that. He made quite a lot of noise like in the cute videos of him like before this situation. Like he would like come up to the mom every morning or the mom like the human that owned him every morning and like get his sweater or whatever and like would come up get pets. And he was like making all these donkey noises. So you can hear a sweet little donkey voice.

4:06He wouldn't have scared me, but I said earlier like using the most amount of like empathy possible to see myself in the officer's shoes. Like is there a possibility he was scared of a brain donkey? I guess so, but also like don't you have flashlights like why didn't you do any research on this field that like famously had a donkey in it before you entered. Mm hmm. Yeah, they said they were looking for a missing person. Was that their excuse? Yeah, so we can see what the joy they have like a flood light or something to be looking around for you're looking for a missing person in the middle of the night. This one or going to field what they're on the ground and you just walk right past them like passed out. That's a good point. Yeah, why do you not have lights on? Yeah, especially like passed out. That's a good point. So let's see what this guy said. The Georgia police chief who released the video about the tragic loss of he haw. So ridiculous when like imagine if it's like murderer. I know he's not the exact ones. But even like murder gang come together to talk about the tragic loss of this like woman

5:09that was murdered by one of their gang members. That's what we are hearing. So he has death sparked an emotional response from the family who raised him and across the country. That's kind of a you know back, backhanded sentence. It sparked an emotional response like yeah technically but also like you genuinely did something wrong. I thought like it was just somebody reacting an anger, you know, I just feel like it's like kind of backhanded. So a new video released by the police chief in Cedar Town, Georgia is offering the public a little more insight into what happened when a police officer shot and killed a beloved baby donkey during a search for a missing child in a pasture Sunday morning. The video released by Cedar Town police chief Jamie Newsom comes as the Georgia Department of Agriculture Law Enforcement Division investigates of course the cops are investigating themselves and haven't yet found any wrongdoing of themselves.

6:09So that's important information. So it's being as the Georgia Department of Agriculture Law Enforcement Division investigates the shooting death of Hihaw a young donkey who was raised by a Polk County family and had become a beloved part of their lives. The shooting happened early Sunday morning, August 30th after Cedar Town police officers were asked to assist Polk County police with a nighttime search for a missing child. So I guess it was maybe still dark out. According to the police department, the child had not been found at the time of the shooting. The child was later found safe at a church near the pasture where Hihaw was killed. I'd like to know like how near it, like they could say near and it could be not a walk. I think it wasn't the kid running out of the darkness yelling. That's a good point. Or like having something stuck in his mouth. I don't know like why you would make weird noise, but still maybe like a mouth, like he was taken and kidnapped. Maybe his mouth is like covered up. You know like maybe he was, I don't know about this kid.

7:11Maybe he was like autistic and autistic kids sometimes make you know sounds. They are also famous for shooting autistic kids. Yeah, that's true. The department said an officer encountered the donkey during the search and ultimately shot him. During that search, it is with heavy heart that I report a Cedar Town police officer shot and killed a donkey that was in its own pasture. Newsom said, I cannot imagine the grief and frustration that the tragic loss of Hihaw has caused. And so we're going to do what about it? Well, so far the cop has been put on what's it called leave. Administrative leave. Yeah, meaning he keeps getting paycheck. Hihaw's death has sparked an emotional response from the family who raised him and across the country. His owner, Hannah Israel said, Hihaw is more than a farm animal. I just can't imagine some people listening being like, this is a side up. Hannah Israel, but I'm not canoning that way of thinking about it. I just think it's funny. She bought all raised him from about an hour old and described him as being part of the

8:15family. Israel said, Hihaw was especially friendly and would often run toward people, bring when he saw them. Just like even like a dog, you don't have any right to go in somebody's yard and shoot their dog because it ran towards you either. And not all times the dog's running towards you. It doesn't mean it's going to bite you either. He shouldn't be in the dog's yard. But one thing that is really un, it was the word, it's just not, it was disheartening to hear I guess is what I would say. I saw this woman defending the murderer of Hihaw on Twitter. I know and she was saying, we don't know what happened. He could have genuinely been scared for his life. And donkeys actually do murder people. First of all, not baby donkeys, but full grown donkeys, sure. And we were talking in the last segment too, right before the segment cut off about the open fields doctrine. I definitely think that New Hampshire needs to get rid of that because it's basically valid in every 50 state for federal officers. If a federal officer is looking for a missing person or there was some other cutouts, but

9:19I don't remember what they were like looking for a missing person or maybe even a suspect in a crime. I'm not sure. If you have property, but like one thing is like your front yard with a fence around it, well that's developed. But if you have just a quote unquote open field, even if it's your property, even if you could technically like shoot somebody for going in there in general, well, a federal officer can go there under these certain situations under the open field doctrine in every state. And then in most states, local police can, including Georgia, so that's probably how this police officer is going to get away with this, including New Hampshire. And I really don't like that. I think that that would be such an easy thing to get rid of. We don't need that. I feel like a lot of Republicans might push back and be like, hey, we don't want to be the people who get rid of who look anti police. But I think New Hampshire libertarians need or libertarians and liberty reps need to be more anti police anyway. So I assume that there was a fence, right?

10:20Keep the donkey in. Yeah. Wouldn't that make it not an open field anymore? Yeah. That's a good point because it did say pastures in the law that I read. And it said undeveloped land. So yeah, if there's a fence, I might be wrong about that somehow. I was just imagining like your yard, certainly not because that's not an open field. And even if it isn't how big your yard is, I guess, even in keen, we have noticed a lot of times we have fires without a permit, just because it's going to be real quick or something. And then they bring out their entire fire department truck and we quickly put it out and they can't do anything about it. One time, one of the fire people that came to interrogate me and my friends who were back there sometimes were just burning boxes and having fun looking at the firewall burning boxes. But you have to call and get permission and it's not like it's not, it's not like it's like super hard to just, so I just forget honestly. But anyways, one time one of the police officers came and was bothering us from the gate. And he even said like, well, you have this gate here.

11:21So I would need permission to walk around it like a vampire. Yeah. So having a gate is useful in some situations that I've noticed, but I'm not sure if it has anything to do with this specific law. But I don't like that. The first time I heard of that at all, like in any context, and I was sad that there are like seven or eight states that are doing better than New Hampshire. And that's always the thing that you should tell a state rep. If you want to tell them you want a law passed is what states already don't have that law or already are that way because it's like makes it a lot less crazy. Like if you're just like, we should make a law that makes cops illegal. It's like, well, what other state is doing that? Anyways, so let's get back into this shooting specifically. It says the shooting of the donkey, he haw happened early Sunday morning, August 30th. I just got worried that I called him who haw and now I'm thinking that's making me laugh. August 30th, it's not funny that he died, but the name is funny.

12:25The police officers were asked to assist Polk County police with a nighttime search for a missing child, which is probably terrifying and it sucks that this is all involved with that. According to the police, like the child was found, but I wonder if the parents feel bad about it or anything. But anyways, according to the police department, the child had not been found at the time of the shooting. That was something I was already seeing alleged on Twitter was some people right away were saying that cop knew that the search was over. He just wanted to shoot. He haw and I doubt that he wanted to shoot a baby donkey, but he is a cop. He is a cop, but he might not have, you know, but like even then a baby donkey, I don't think that that would be what they would want to shoot. But I just hated the people and then he wouldn't really care what it is. They want to shoot dogs all the time, you know? Yeah, maybe. But the police department said an officer encountered the dog donkey during search and ultimately shot him. Which, okay, sorry, I already read that part. It like scurled itself up. It sparked an emotional response from the family.

13:25The owner, Israel said, he haw is especially friendly. It would often run towards people, but when he saw them, the family said officers told them they initially attempted to use a taser to subdue he haw before the donkey was shot. Like it was it like that. It was just it kept on coming. Like it was going to attack or something. You know, like what does that even mean? Like. The police department did use or did they just miss so then they just went with a gun, you know, probably. Seater town police have not publicly identified the officer. Okay, the Zold because he's been identified now. The officer has been placed on paid administrative leave while the investigation continues. The city's police department turned the investigation over to the Georgia Department of Agricultural Law Enforcement Division. But I want our community to know what we are doing now. I have contacted the Georgia Department of Law, Agriculture is law enforcement division and they are conducting an independent investigation whenever I read a bureaucracy name my eyes and brand start glazing over. It's like, you know, it's like the department of the society of the, you know, bureau of

14:30whatever. And you know, always has those things like memorized. They always shocks me. Like there was all these like interchangeable words and who remember what order they're in. But that's always an annoying thing about reading a news article. The officer that was involved has been placed on administrative leave. All right, there to set that in a article. The Georgia Department of Agriculture has not announced its findings. All right, so that might still be coming. Hopefully they actually do tell us. I don't know if they don't have to or anything. Um, and hopefully they make a right decision, including the decision to come out with the body can footage. The Department of Agriculture is making a decision on this. The Georgia Department of Agriculture. What is their decision for like whether it was okay for him to be there or maybe they're reviewing the video. That's God. We have a story about how the German far right is surging, but I did have one that Rich

15:33Rich had brought in last week too. Oh, yeah, this is the German far right. Like, what is their far right? Is it still left leaning like a lot of countries? Oh, no, I have to get this from the archive.ph. I didn't expect that because usually a judge does better. Usually judge will give you links that aren't pay-walled, but I guess this one, it didn't and now it's asking if I'm a robot. Sorry, listeners. Um, I wonder that too, and I wonder if it is possibly as bad as it used to be. If you know what I mean. I know that they're not even allowed to talk about Hitler over there. Yeah, probably not. I think you get arrested. Yeah. I want to give you start. German far right surges in threat to post-war taboo on extremists in power. So like the taboo itself is in threat. Like they want it to be taboo for extremists to get in power.

16:35It's kind of funny how it's almost a hundred years later in Germany is just treated like you people are particularly, um, you might, you're particularly prone to doing Hitler-y things. So you can't even think about it, you know what I mean? I'm not saying that there should be somebody that comes out and thinks the way he did or anything like that. I'm just saying that it's kind of funny that there's still, there are governments so crack down on them to this day as if like another Hitler is going to pop out of here somewhere. On top of it, you know, that's just like it seems so over the top. And I don't know if they're still allowed to have, not allowed to have a military, you know, like or at least they had a super weak military after the war. I have no idea. They're probably fine because they have like, I don't know a ton about Germany's political standings. And of like one of those, not the Nuremberg trial, but one of the things where they came together and made decisions after the war, they decided that Germany either had to get

17:39rid of their whole military. And maybe for that was just for a time. And then they were allowed to bring back parts of their military, but it had to be like really weak and mostly just defense in like punishment because of what they did. Yeah. So it says Sunday's vote, I guess they voted in specifically in Germany, Sunday in the state of Saxony on Halt could produce the strongest showing in the history of the alternative for Germany party. And potentially a far right government in the state house. So it would probably just be like one like whatever their like representative is whatever the similar seat or whatever you want to call it like office is for a state representative. It would just be like, Oh, there might be a far right person in their state house. Oh well. In 77 years of post-war German democracy, no far right political party has ever won a

18:39state election. That streak could end on Sunday in the small eastern state of Saxony on Halt where the alternative for Germany party is writing a wave of voter anger at immigration, economic stagnation and the centrist parties that have long governed the nation. That's what happens though, like everywhere you get these gigantic swings because everybody trends so far to the left that the pushback is just so far right again that it's, you know, I wonder if the a little bit authoritarian. I wonder if these parties that have long governed the nation are really centrist or just what New York Times considers centrist. I feel like a lot of centrist of like when they call people or political party centrist they end up being left leaning. And it doesn't seem like anywhere in Germany is not left leaning based, I mean in Europe right now is not left leaning so I'd be surprised they were actually centrist. Like there's a lot of we define it. There's a lot of like right wing pushback across Europe.

19:41Yeah, definitely Britain. I've been following some guys on YouTube that are like part of the British pushback. But I haven't heard anything about Germany. So yeah. How do you win? I know Germany cracks down a lot on anything they deem as far right extremism. Like I know they're one of the countries where if you post the wrong thing online you can get in a lot of trouble. Third Ferguson in Pennsylvania, you're on free talk live. What's on your mind? You know, I actually kicked ass at work this month. I made like, I probably made like 12 grand in commission and I hit bonus. That's probably going to be like another like I would imagine like four or five. Yeah, I probably made like 17 grand all together in August. Wow. Free bad ass. And you sell like appliances, showers. No, I sell, I sell baths, showers and stuff like that. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was Mark the other day that was saying maybe all of your calls about your

20:46bathroom are an ad. Wait, no, no, I'm sorry. I don't want to say mark. I was actually paying when was saying maybe all your calls about your bathroom are actually an ad because of the fact that you sell bathroom. I thought was like all bathroom appliances, but you're saying only showers, but still. Well, I do sell full bathroom. I don't really like selling full baths because they're expensive and the vanities that we have that we have, they're all like hardwood and handmade. So they're like 10 grand for a vanity. I'd rather just sell like the wet space, you know, I mean, or like the floor and maybe the toilet. I try to talk them out of the vanity as much as possible because I don't like selling people 10,000 dollar vanities. But but actually, I mean, I could probably even sell them in your hamster. I mean, the company at workforce pretty big in New Hampshire. I know that it's a popular solution up there. Up out there in a keen and new hamster. Well, I wasn't saying like you shouldn't do that or anything like that.

21:47I was like, honestly, that'd be smart. If you're calling for talk live to advertise your bath and the way you do it is always calling in to say, man, my shower looks great today. I add another part to it or painted it or whatever. Well, look, my shower is bad ass. Oh, yeah, you've seen it too. Having you. I think me and Laura at least have in pictures for the listener. We did not go to turd's house. Oh, yeah. Right. I showed it to my little sister and genuinely with all my heart, like, swear and coconut without any prompting, I was just like, what do you think about this bathroom? Do you think it's like amazing? And she said, it's nice. It looks really early 2000s. And I was like, really? Honestly, what makes you think that? Because that's turd's entire personality. Very on-brand. Yeah. I'm not sure what set her off for that or tipped her off for that. I was honestly so surprised. But turd, is that really what you wanted to call in about?

22:49No, I think so, but that is very based. But yeah, I was thinking over the break. You know, you were talking about the far right in Germany while I was thinking like the far right. You know what I'm saying? The far right. We don't have like a one of those sound effects. Yeah, I was like, not very good version of it. Yeah. I don't think that's that great. Honestly, turd. Right just means like a, doesn't mean like a kingdom, like a rule. Yeah, it's even some people's last name. Well, it's like the third right. Yes. Yeah, but it's not the far right. It's the far right. Well, anyway, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure that my mom started to get really sad. Like she's known for like a few years that once I paid off my house that I was going to like move out west, you know, to start my entertainment career.

23:52Like to tell from you. Well, my specific location will be undisclosed. You know, probably smart. The Pope or listening, you feel me. He practically gives his address and serves Barry Pennsylvania all the time. Right. Yeah, good point. Well, yeah, the Hollywood. But yeah, so my mom, she knows that like I'm getting really, really close to paying the house off. Which I've been saying for years once I do, I probably be splitting my time between these two locations. And now every time I talk to her on the phone, she sounds like she sounds like she's going to cry, you know, does she live in Shrewsbury or like nearby? No, no, she doesn't live in Shrewsbury, but she does live in Northern Maryland, which is pretty close. Yeah, pretty close. I mean, she could barely handle it when I moved away and lived in New Hampshire for a few years.

24:52She could barely handle it then. I mean, no, no, of course not. I was just asking if she's like lives alone, basically. Yeah, she does. But now that she knows that I'm like going to be gone, yeah, she's really sad and she's afraid. And you know, it's funny because my sister lives out west and she's like, it's like no big deal for her, you know what I mean? But I think just because I'm her baby boy, you know what I mean? I'm an innocent little bev-a-angie. I'm just a bev-a-boy. Are you the younger one? No, I'm the older one. I think with mothers, it's a thing we're like because they were female, you know, when their daughters leave, it's like not a big deal because they understand it probably. But then when they're sons leave, I feel like mothers, they don't handle that well, you know what I mean? That's my favorite. Maybe your mom just picked favorites, honestly. I bet some parents do.

25:54Speaking of people doing drugs and making bad choices. Who? Oh, Lindsay Clancy. Oh, I didn't actually bring her up yet, but we definitely should talk about Lindsay Clancy because we just haven't talked about her on the show at all. Like, unless you covered it and I didn't hear him talking about it. I don't think so now. He didn't even know anything about it like a week ago because I was like, do you know anything about this story? And he was like, no, absolutely not. And then we didn't really talk about it. And then some guy at his work asked him about it. So I guess he learned a little bit. I learned a crazy thing. I feel like I should at least explain what it is first. So basically this woman on January 24th, 2023 killed her three children that were like six, seven and three or something like that. And like the oldest wasn't very old and the youngest I'm pretty sure was three. And she strangled them with these things called like exercise, stretchy bands. Yeah, exercise bands.

26:55And I'm not sure which of these ones I should exactly click on, but I just kind of say the crazy conspiracy thing first before we get into the seriousness. She did that January 24th, 2023. Three kids, their names were like, Kora, Kallen, and then something with a D, the boy's name started with a D. And then in 2020, this woman who was also a labor and delivery nurse, just like Lindsey Clancy was, how to psychotic break on the same, I don't know if it was the same exact pill, but it was on like an anti-depressant and anti-psychotic or something. She had a mental break and she killed her three kids on January 24th, 2020. And it was in Ireland and she got found not guilty by reason of insanity. She also strangled her kids and her name, kids names were like Carla, Darragh and Connor. So it was like kids similar ages, strangled on the same day, exactly three years before

27:59in Ireland. Name had the same initials, also was a labor and delivery nurse. That's just too much. That's creepy. That story I sent you about the lady who killed her three kids and then was put in a mental institution and got out and her and her husband had three more kids and then she killed those two. Oh, yes. I wonder when that happened. Yeah, yeah. The, I wonder if that was the same woman. Yeah, because the lady in Ireland, her husband was like very supportive of her and just like came out like to promote or not promote, but you know, bring awareness to mental help. And it wasn't very, obviously like we can't get in his head. And say he wasn't very mad at her. It was in Maine and it happened in 1954 and then again in 1966. Oh, forgiveness. Forgiveness is what this society needs. I was kind of annoyed because today I figure or finished Dracula and I always like to think like what's the main point of a book or something that you read. And I was like, a huge main point in Dracula is forgiveness and mercy towards the monsters that are after you.

29:00And I don't like that. I also had no idea because I had never. Never estrogen filled. I also had never, ever, ever learn or know, know anything about the story of Dracula. Like I obviously see him referenced in a lot of things, but not his actual story like written by Bram Stoker and until I listened to the audiobook recently. And I didn't know that a hero of the book and somebody they compliment constantly is a Texan. It's like so random in the 1800s to be like in a certain, mostly England and also partially in Transylvania. And there's like one of the main heroes is a Texan and they're constantly saying things like, if America breeds men like him there and if this young country breeds men like him, they're in good hands going forward and stuff like that. Like they're constantly saying what an awesome like just like Superman. He was. I didn't expect that. I was just like, that seems so out of place, but when for Texas, that's all.

30:01So Lindsey Clancy's triple murder case like officially ended. There's not going to be a. There's going to be another one. There's going to be another trial. Exactly. But this one is just over because it ended in a mistrial. And like we said, she murdered her three kids. She was on drugs at the time. She was openly telling you know like her doctors. She was on drugs, but you have to clarify that there were psychiatric drugs. Yeah. And like street drugs. Yeah. Yeah. You know, crack it up. Right. So she killed her three children. And the case, the murder case was determined if she could be found not guilty by reason of insanity or not and it ended in a mistrial. There was some holdout. There was a person in the jury that was a holdout for. I don't know what they were aiming towards. Maybe this article will say I hope it does. The judge has declared a mistrial in Lindsey Clancy's triple murder trial after the jury deliberated for seven days without reaching a unanimous verdict.

31:03So now it happens. Judge, did you hear about how the prosecutor know the defense called and try to get the holdout excused from the jury? So the holdout was bad for the defense. Yeah. Because they were going to. Oh, so we're kind of opposite that I'm when I was saying they weren't going for guilty. The 11 jurors were. Oh, I'm mixing a prosecutor and defense. Okay, yeah, I thought it was a sweet thing. They were going to go for they were going to make her guilty. Right. No, no. The 11 jurors were not guilty or yeah, not guilty by reason of insanity, probably. They didn't disclose exactly what it was, but it was in the defense's favor. And the one holdout was not in the defense's favor. And they called the judge and were like, we want you to excuse that juror because they're not following the law because they wouldn't agree with everybody else. Honestly, as much as I think Lindsey Clancy is guilty, I think that's a horrible thing that prosecution can just say, we want to throw out a juror because like you should be

32:04able to say what you want to say because you're also allowed to judge the law, you know, jury nullification. Right. Well, that's what the judge said. The judge was like, no, because they were found to be a competent, responsible juror. And just because they disagree and don't think that your client should get off doesn't mean you get to just throw the juror out. So judge William Sullivan told the parties Friday afternoon that he'd like to retry the case later in the fall. So when there's a mistrial, you just get a new trial. I think that sometimes a judge can also just say like, you had a mistrial and we don't want to prosecute again. Or maybe it's up to the prosecutor. I'm not sure. By the way, they said that makes me think it's the judge, but it could be the prosecutor. Judge William Sullivan told the parties Friday afternoon he'd like to retry the case later in the fall. That's really not that long from now. I always wonder how long it would take to have a retrial. In the meantime, the judge scheduled a status conference for the end of the month. That's just where they get together and talk about when they should have another trial

33:06or any other kind of just like housekeeping things. Nothing interesting is going to happen then. Clancy's attorney, Kevin Reddington initially said he wants to get the second trial underway as soon as possible, ideally the week after next. Judge Sullivan told Reddington my thinking is to try it sooner rather than later, but I'm not sure that sooner. Nobody speaks properly anymore. That's fine because I'm on the radio and I don't speak very properly. But I'm just surprised that Judge would say sooner but not that sooner. Sounds like something like a woman, like a young, young woman would say, you know, the judge said he'd check the courthouse schedule and his own. He'll see if he can pencil Lindsay Clancy and get her out of the loony house she's in in the meantime. The lead prosecutor said she'd be out of the state for the next two weeks. Okay, the prosecutor herself. But didn't offer an opinion on trial scheduling. This is boring. I want to know more interesting things in this because it's like we're hearing basically

34:09about their schedule. Yeah. So there will be no decision regarding that today, they say. Ultimately the decision to pursue another trial is up to Cruz, but didn't tell me who Cruz was. Oh, he's the district attorney. So that's who it's up to answered my question. Ultimately the decision to pursue another trial is up to Cruz, a long time Republican prosecutor whose office runs an advocacy center that serves child abuse victims. In the interim, Clancy will return to two expiry hospital in Massachusetts where she'll continue being held without bail on her murder charges. So she's in like force medicated and stuff like that's in there. She's in like the loony bin area of the hospital if that makes sense. So what do you guys think about not guilty by reason of insanity just as a like as a proposal for any murder? I don't know.

35:10I feel like being insane. It doesn't change the fact you did the action, right? And I feel like most people that commit serious crimes like that, they aren't exactly right in the head. There has to be something fundamentally wrong with you for you to go to the lengths of often your own children. Right. I don't think I put enough thought into it, but I would have to lean towards what Win is saying that when somebody is killed, even if it's an accident, people go to jail for that prison for that. You know what I mean? Especially like killing your own kids, a mom killing their own kids. That's the individuals that you were supposed to protect the most out of anyone, right? And if you kill them, there's something seriously wrong with you. And I think that you should be considered a danger to all of society because we can kill your own children who you love and raise and they came from your body, you know, then you could kill anyone. Yeah. That's what they considered in like the Gypsy Rose case.

36:12The prosecution was trying to get them to consider that she killed her own mom. And that's worse than killing, you know, or she had her own mom killed to be fair. But that's where it was the killing stranger. I think so. Makes you more dangerous person. Yes. Yeah. In my opinion, especially your kids, like your mom's, yeah, bad, but like your kids, like little kids, they're completely defenseless and, you know, you care for them every day and you're their mother. And you kill them. I don't think that like you said, anyone who does something like that can be considered sane. That's a good point. It's like who is totally sane and murders their kids? Right. So I just think it's a cop out and shouldn't even be considered at all. I don't, and I really don't care if she was insane. I don't care if she was insane then. I don't care if she wasn't insane. She killed her kids and they should just. This is what I think comes into play with the insanity.

37:12It's the fact that she was being, she was actively telling her doctors, I'm afraid I'll do the X, Y, Z and they were giving her drugs that say on the box, you might kill people. If you take these drugs, I'm not saying that makes her less guilty. If anything, the more I think about it, I think in heat, we need to start making a society where the people who give out drugs to people who are afraid they're going to kill people also are guilty of something. I think that she's even more guilty because she had moments of lucidity throughout all of this. She had moments in her life where she was like with it and knew what was going on and knew that she was possibly a danger. Did she testify about her or something? Yeah. They said that she during this, she was having a mental break, but when her husband went out, she planned this. So she had her husband go out, she looked up to see how long it was going to take him to go to the store and come back to make sure that she had enough time to do it. And she wasn't out of her mind enough to not do that.

38:15So she must have been lucid. I think most parents from what my friends have told me who have had kids and just people have done in my life, they will put above the safety of their children over even their spouse. It's part of the instinct. Right, because your spouse is another adult who can help themselves. If they hurt themselves and admit it to you, are you not going to leave them for just 30 seconds to run and even just see if you're going to leave your kids in the basement, open the door and be like, are you okay? All right, wait here and go back. I find that so suspicious. I just think that all these things that become big on the news could easily be weirder, crap than we actually know about. Found it really creepy that the same almost exact same thing in so many ways happened on the same day three years earlier. I think he's not going to be because he didn't get the kids away from her.

39:15Yeah, there's that. Any, both of them were doing this. So it's like her doing it to herself too. The fact that you're watching your wife take handfuls of pills and you're not thinking, maybe there's another way to get you help. But it's like I go back and forth because it's like I literally know people in my real life who they think that would be the best thing to do. So it's just so it's dumb. It's awful. And the excuse, the thing that kind of sucks about it that's like a revolving door is you always think it's not working right now because you need to adjust your like dosage or which one not you need to go off them ever. That's sacrilege, you know, adjust them for 20 years. Yeah. And then take a new one. And like the thing that too with her was they were giving her like all these different drugs like off and on and off and on like take her off this one and give her a different one. That's not good for you. It's just watching this happen and just nobody did anything to stop like I don't understand

40:22why. So she was telling him and her mom or his mom, sorry, that she was hearing voices and they still didn't like get the kids away from her. If Stu was like, Hey, Laurie, I'm hearing voices. I'd be like, you can't come near the kids. And specifically they're saying to kill the kids. Even if it was just like I'm hearing voices, I'd be like, Oh, you got to get that handle. You're going to have to go somewhere else because you can't be around the kids because you're obviously having a psychotic break. So yeah. So it says the DA could offer a plea because she is going for like not guilty at all by reason of insanity, right? So it's like because she admitted to murder, she can't just walk free, right? Right. So she's going for not guilty by reason of insanity. Like just still technically guilty. Like guilty by reason of sanity, it just means that you don't go to jail. You go to a mental hospital. Yeah. So I wonder if like you get better in the mental hospital. Do you go to prison? No, they let you go. Like that lady, I told you that woman she was found not guilty by reason of insanity put

41:26in the mental institution and then her husband, like lobbied to get her out. And the doctors were like, yeah, she's better now. It was a few years later. So she went back to him. They had three more kids and then she killed them. I keep seeing people saying like, oh, look at how she has no emotion in the court. And I'm just wondering if they've ever met anybody on SSRI's because like that's what they look like. Yeah. You know, just empty inside. Um, the DA could offer a plea. Clancy is currently charged. Back away, if anybody disagrees if they have something they want to say about this, you can call 603-283-6160. Um, you can always chime in with your thoughts. The DA could offer a plea. Clancy is currently charged with three counts of first degree murder. When Massachusetts, the most severe murder charge requires a jury trial. Oh, okay. So you can't like request a judge panel trial or not panel. Uh, no, no, it starts with the P. Do you know what I'm talking about? Um, bench trial, bench trial. You can't just request that. You need a jury.

42:26In Massachusetts? Mm-hmm. Because it's the most severe murder charge. The district attorney could offer the defense an opportunity to plead guilty to a lesser charge. Prosecutors would retry her as first degree or perhaps decide at a later time to offer a plea deal for a lesser charge. Only the DA can do that Boston defense attorney at least, Herschen told CNN. If the district attorney opts to downgrade charges against Clancy, the parties could potentially come to a plea agreement to avoid second trial. Runnington has told reporters it's up to the district attorney to initiate those conversations. Oftentimes prosecutors will ask the victims' family for their perspective. In this case, because the families of the victims and the defendant are intertwined, competing interests may interfere with consensus. I could see that like the Irish, when I told you about, the dad was just all pro the mom. Like, the dad was pro, the person that was that killed the kid.

43:28So you couldn't exactly, you know, ask him what he thought. It would just be like, letter up or like insane. Really it's not guilty by reason of sending him might be what he was saying. Maybe it wasn't super pro her, but he wasn't exactly like the way a lot of people would react like very angry at their wife for killing their kids. Oftentimes prosecutors, yeah, because they're intertwined, they're interests may interfere. Attorneys from either side could file motions in the interim. One might make a strategic request to move the case to another jurisdiction in the state arguing they can't get a fair trial in Plymouth County. I don't think that you're going to find anywhere where everyone's not talking about this. Yeah, it's a good point. We could talk about some of the conversations that have happened around it. Like people, if people didn't understand what I was saying when I said, don't worry, I don't think he didn't do it or he did it because he's a Gemini. Well, we could explain that. Lindsay Clancy admits to killing their children. So why is there an online grounds while blaming her ex husband?

44:28Because people are crazy. Almost as crazy as her. Almost. Some are. So Lindsay Clancy, oh yeah, there were some people, some women being like, I understand, I get it. No, I don't get it. Yeah, there are people that have been putting up like just videos of support with her to her. And it's this is kind of an annoying thing that I really hate about the internet. I first noticed it when I was in high school and pin not Pinterest, Tumblr was a big thing. That's the first place to have her notice it where people loved to go on the internet and find community with other people for negative reasons and it made them feel good. Tumblr was a swamp. And it's mostly, it was mostly what I mean by that is like people that are like, I think I'm schizophrenic. Me too. Girlie Pop, you're not alone. You're here with us other and it's not just women actually, but most. Probably largely. And especially like Tumblr and general, it was like largely a woman's thing, but definitely

45:33it's been a playground society for people to be proud of and happy to have mental problems. I think it's because they aren't special in any way. And so they're trying to like find something that they can claw onto and feel like they have something special about them, but they have no personality. And when I feel like a lot of like children are prone to falling into this stuff and you like, as almost everything, a parent needs to correct them. And when I was a kid, I remember it's so stupid, but a child though like 10, there was a girl in our class that like always got to carry around like grapes and stuff with her. And I like, I don't know if I asked the teacher or if I just gathered this information over time because for a long time I was like, why is the teacher was saying like telling her was specifically like, make sure you eat your cookie and like, nobody else is allowed to eat. Well, she had like diabetes or something where her blood sugar went down. It wasn't just that I wanted to eat. When I found that out, like I got this sense, I would notice in myself sometimes where

46:35I'd be like, if I had like a disease and I had to take a medicine all the time, that would be pretty cool. I don't get special treatment. It's like the kids that wanted to have glasses and I had glasses and I'm like, why would you want to have glasses? It's just like a weird thing that's like a part of human nature for whatever reason. I mean, it's special treatment. It's a tension. It's feeling like being catered towards you like and then the teacher would stop the class to make sure I had my medicine. So stupid, but that's how you wind up with people faking Tourette's on TikTok. Oh my God. That was a sensitive identity disorder. Yeah. That one, like everybody suddenly had 10 personalities. Yeah, definitely. The acting was so bad. You could tell they were faking it. I think this is still happening. It is. I've seen it. Yeah, they'd be like, hold on. I'm going to switch. Oh my God. I feel like I'm going to have my other personality. That's crazy. Yeah. There was like the time where I had a friend who definitely had something going on.

47:36She had like a breakdown in school one day, but she was like always texting me like, yeah, no, I was like looking into it again. I actually think it gets a frenzy of this time. Yeah, no, I'm looking at it again. I think it's like BPD and stuff like that. So it's just like so easy to go online and diagnose yourself, especially if you're really having some kind of a problem that needs to be dealt with. And the, you know, the answer might not be medicine. It's so easy to just take a pill and get an appointment and then you're on that pill for life. But anyways, all that to say that I feel like there are a lot of people that, um, when the term postpartum depression was being used a lot in the Lindsey Clancy case, there are a lot of people that feel special and feel like they jump into this like community by saying like, I had it to and it was so bad. And I understand Lindsey and it's like they're getting attention. They're getting quote unquote community, which I always say online community is not like a real community, but they're getting that sense of community and socialization filled.

48:40And they think that it's, they can make it cool or edgy and they, you know, how one like there's a group of people that are like, my friends are the funniest and like, they're not, but like they just are in this bubble. So they think that their friends are the funniest. I think this was happening here. There are these women who are posting videos on like TikTok saying, hashtag me too, Lindsey and then sometimes posting like disturbing videos, especially in the context of them, like throwing a baby doll or something like that. Can you imagine growing up and whatever something in it is there forever? Yeah. Growing up and seeing videos of your mom me like, I wanted to kill my kids too. That's awful. Yeah. And some of the worst are actually not them doing a skit where they're throwing a baby doll. Some of the worst are them actually holding a baby that's crying, but the mom is crying too and saying like, I just can't do this anymore. It's just like, honestly, like, it's not like no one, this is the thing that sucks too. It's like I could have more empathy for like a person who's in high school and feels

49:42like something is wrong with them and then goes on the internet and finds Tumblr. I think I could have a lot more empathy for the person like that that generally has something often needs help if these other people that jump into and be like me too, literally, and try to make it into a thing where then you kind of lose sight of the fact that like some people do need help. Some people have like really bad postpartum psychosis or depression. I'm saying that because psychosis is there. Yeah. They said that she had postpartum psychosis when her baby's eight months old. Hmm. Interesting. Quite post of the postpartum. Like you're really lean and heavy on that word. Hmm. Yeah. There is a caller on the line. Let's go to the phones. There's Tom and New Hampshire on the line. You're on free talk live. What's on your mind? Well, Wednesday night, I was up in Plymouth, New Hampshire at a candidate's forum. The reason I was there is because I'm one of the candidates for the United States Senate. And no, this was broadcast on the Plymouth New Hampshire local cable TV, Pemme Baker TV.

50:49And it's on YouTube now. Pemme Baker TV and candidates. You search for that. You'll find it. The first hour was the district to congressional candidates. Now, keen New Hampshire is in congressional district number two. So that means that Maggie Goodlander represents you, right? Okay. Yeah. Maybe is that true? Yeah, it is. She, I was setting you up to agree that she represents you. Well, I live in her district, but she does not represent me. Okay. Sorry. I forgot. I forgot the correct answer. But yes, okay. I understand. So the second hour, that's when the U.S. Senate candidates got a chance to... We didn't get a whole lot of time. Each one explained things. And that's the problem. It was a pretty good show.

51:51Sky Danley was there. He's an Air Force veteran. And making these comments about, you know, what about all the anger and division? Oh, I see. I want to call it now. Now that I said that I would remind people that members of Congress, I'm not the enemy, all that members of Congress are doing is babbling and scribbling. One makes a motion to amend a motion and another one signs an autograph. Law enforcement goons are the enemy. And because they're those that are actually intimidating people into complying with all these unjust laws. And also, he is the expression law enforcement goons talking about during the law class, when U.S. federal law enforcement goons prevented millions of people from escaping to the United States. President Roosevelt just added his desk at the White House. He didn't stop them from entering.

52:52And then Sky Danley's turn. Mr. Danley mentioned being an Air Force veteran and an former federal law enforcement agent. The way he pronounced it, he told he was debating right up to the last moment whether to say goon or agent. Maybe I almost got it. Did you get to speak on the, as a candidate? Oh, yeah, I had to answer those answering questions and stuff like that. And so I didn't really get much chance, but the introduction I played in my usual card, which is introducing myself and saying, oh, I see, I see. I want the United States of America to be a free country with liberty and justice for all. I'm going to ask for a quick show of hands here. Ladies and gentlemen, if you want the United States of America to be a free country with liberty and justice for all, would you please raise your hand? And when most of them did, maybe all of them, I said, guess what? You just went on record supporting open borders, legalizing all drugs, abolishing public

53:56school and eliminating all zoning restrictions. Oh, I've played that one. That was my third time playing that one. Did you know that state rep and we're named Travis Cochran is really pro zoning and calls himself a liberty rep? What do you think about that? That's absurd because benefits, we are a guard given right to liberty, but also to the blessings of liberty, which is the indirect benefits of liberty when other people are allowed or are free, I should say, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of persons that another enjoys the exercise of their inherent natural rights, when you say allow. If people were free to provide you with how to free market prices by tearing down maybe a dilapidated single family house and putting an apartment house and get rid of the aluminum

54:57wiring, get rid of the lead paint. And they would clean up the asbestos as best as they can. And that's then they would provide an apartment house. What happens the neighbors stand p to town hall? They don't want that in their neighborhood and somebody has to tell the states have to abolish zoning and have to tell those neighbors that you own your yards. Somebody wants to open a factory and put a thousand people to work. The neighbors will stand p to town hall and demand a stop to it because they don't want traffic on their street and somebody has to tell them is a public way. And yes, some people will lose a lot when zoning is abolished just like when enslaved people were emancipated. A lot of people, they mortgage the farm to buy slaves and then the slaves get emancipated and now they can't pay the mortgage that going to lose the farm too. You just heard highlights from the latest episode of Free Talk Live.

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