FTL2026-09-13

0:00This is free talk live. It's talk radio you control. You can give us a call and let us know what's on your mind. The phone number here is 6-0-3-283-6160 in the studio. Tonight you got Stu and Will. Richie Rich and Mark Edge remotely. Glad you showed up, Mark. Thank you. I don't know how this is going to go, guys. I'm sitting on my laptop in a hotel room in the Balkans. So and it's a good laptop and put it on the desk and sit in the chair. That might be a good start.

1:00Yeah, we can hear you. I could. Good enough for me. It's not a good way to keep the temperature down on the laptop. I'll tell you that much. It's true. All right. How are you doing, guys? Chelling. Good. Another week. Yeah. Oh, what's going on? Who just been here? I think Richie Rich and I are supposed to argue about something this evening. Yeah, I looked at the schedule. I didn't see your name on it. And then I talked to Stu and he was like, I don't know if Mark's going to be here tonight. I was like, oh, man. Yeah, nobody tells me anything. Yeah. So is this, do we have an airing of grievances? Well, this, it's about the Lindsey Clancy thing. And me and Mark had a little bit of back and forth on the old social media about it. And he's like, let's do it live. Okay. Deal. Let's do it. So I don't know how you guys feel about it or like what you guys recognize as facts.

2:03It's a spicy subject, isn't it? It shouldn't be. Well, it should not be a spicy. First of all, I think it should be spicy anytime a parent kills their children. Yes. Okay. I think that's pretty spicy. Okay. So you're on my side then because as far as I know, the only hard question to do is to not care about this case at all. Yeah. But mostly I don't. You post a lot on Facebook about it for someone who doesn't care about it. It's part of my issue. Well, I'm not saying I didn't claim to be mentally healthy. Okay. And really what I'm posting on Facebook is is about the gender war. Oh, fundamentally is that there has in America, we've gotten to a point where it's okay to hate people of the other gender. And we're circulating for the purposes of this conversation that there are two genders. And you're ready. You're setting your supporters. What's that? I said, you're already upsetting your Lindsey Clancy supporters. I'm not here to make Lindsey Clancy supporters happy.

3:05Okay. Go on. So and I can and I can see how you would think that right? Like because this is how social media is. It's us and them, but I'll look it at that way. I look at it as an opportunity to find, you know, ways to get my little message out, which is generally social media is an outrage machine. And you'd be happier by looking at the issues in a different way. That's fair. And one of the, one of the first comments I left for you on social media was like, if you want to ignore this case, that's perfectly acceptable for regular people. And we on this show mean you specifically are like professional commentators. So it would be who of us to know what's going on in the public commentary, like in the social square. And you know, know what's going on. At least a little bit, right?

4:06Like adjudicate the facts out there as we find them and then be able to form an opinion on it when we do our job as commentators. But anybody else, if you want to like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't know anything going on in the world. If I didn't do this job and my podcast, right, I would find something else to do. But I read a lot of headlines. I read a lot of news stories specifically because I do this professionally and semi professionally. Yep. And same here. And I find that, you know, I'm really proud of that period of time in my life in the last few years when basically I didn't pay attention to any kind of news. It's really good. But the soul, isn't it? What's that? It's really good for the soul, isn't it? Ignoring the needs. Yeah. But don't do a job right. To do it professionally. That's. Comes with the territory, man. Mechanics have like dry hands and dirty fingernails, right?

5:07Like if you don't, if you don't want dry hands and dirty fingernails, like you don't be a mechanic, that's comes with the mechanic. So you kind of, you certainly have to know something. And I'm not claiming that I don't need to know anything about this case to comment on this case. And I think your position is very strong. I would also say that this case is kind of moved. It's moving. Let's say that. It hasn't moved, but it's moving to another situation, 9-11, where you can't truly form an opinion because you cannot truly understand the facts. JFK assassination. Any variety of these things, there are people who have become so specialized in these areas that you can't even have an opinion. Your opinion is, is like, look, I like voluntary interactions, killing people's bad. But I don't know exactly what is going on here.

6:08And the two sides in the Lindsay Clancy case appear to have begun manufacturing facts. Now I don't know which sides manufacturing facts. I do have a bias in this side, right? And you'll state that right ahead of time. I've got a bias. As do I. But, yep. And I think actually our biases are the same. That maybe. Let's hear it out because we disagreed on social media. I don't think we're going to agree here on the bias part. Well, do you agree that the judicial system is fubar? And you're probably not going to get what passes for the truth out of it. Yes. Yep, same here. Okay. And the two sides appear to be articulate wildly liberal women who feel that the system

7:12has failed Lindsay Clancy. And then there's a subset of them that believe their husband did it in the face of all the evidence. And then there's the sort of man hating or women hating dudes that are out there that are like, ladies, you got to sit down and listen to the truth. And the truth kind of sits somewhere in between would be my guess. But I don't know. My biggest issue is with the subset of whomever that thinks someone other than Lindsay Clancy did it. And when you on social media take the position, well, I don't know. Well, I put you in that subset because it seems pretty clear to me. Yeah, she said she did it, right? Well, depends who you talk to. March not clear on that either. So I go to like, there's a stipulation of facts.

8:17And she did it is in the stipulation of facts. Someone called me out and said, well, that's not a confession. I like like Lama plain semantics, right? I go like she admits to doing it in a stipulation of facts. That's a confession of me. The way I understand the story, nobody else could have possibly done it. And that's fine. That's evidence that you can use in the trial. Right. So she did it. I'm fine with that. If you want to make that claim, I'm fine with that. So she says she did it in the stipulation of facts. The prosecution says she did it. The defense tacitly admits to do that she did it based on their defense to perform a affirmative defense of insanity. And then in the interviews after the fact that the story members, she did it before we go anywhere. There's work pointing out that the defense must stipulate it in order to put up the insanity plate, right? You can't not have done it and be insane at the time you did it.

9:21These are exclusive positions. Right. But, but if you're that good of a defense attorney and you can create a narrative that provides reasonable doubt that she did it at all, you don't do an affirmative defense. Like that's, that's like law 101. Yeah, but you wouldn't want to. If there was reasonable doubt, if like there was a plausible story that Patrick Clancy killed the kids and brainwashed Lindsey and threw out the win and whatever the conspiracy nutters are claiming, right? If you can, if you can perform that defense and put reasonable doubt in the jury, you don't stipulate that Lindsey Clancy did it because it's a lot easier to get, you know, it's a lot easier to leave the burden of proof with the prosecution than it is to undertake the burden of proof and prove that not only did she do it or admit that she did it, but that she was insane when she did. Like no one, it's a dumb thing to do if there's reasonable that if you can prove reasonable

10:25doubt without doing it. No, I'm leaning towards Richie Riches side. Just on the idea that as you should, if she's gonna, if she's gonna plead insanity, well then that's just admitting that she did it, right? That just doesn't, so I don't know why that would be. To my understanding, I thought the entire trial was if she was mentally competent enough to stand trial or if she had to go in the loony bin. She's already in the living. Okay, so like, so then that case is closed. She's done did it as far as I'm concerned. She's done did the thing. Like there shouldn't be everyone in the group that she's done did the thing. Okay, so this really narrowed, nearly narrow conservative group. She's supposed to go to prison or into a mental health facility. That was the whole trial was about. That is, that's what the case was about. The case was about where she's gonna be locked up. She's probably going to be the rest of her life. Oops, sorry. She's gonna get locked up for like, she is locked up. Okay, well, she's been locked up. She's been talking about.

11:25She's in a wheelchair. Why is this, why is that? Everywhere. She's gonna get locked up regardless, right? She's gonna serve the time. So this is where we can stipulate the Marx thing, which is it's everywhere because it's man versus women. It's come down to a man versus women thing like in the public zeitgeist as opposed to something. Right, and it's worth pointing out also that men kill way more of their families than women do. And you know, if you, if you want to hate on men, there's a little fact for you. If you want to hate on women, there's this Clancy case that you can look at. What's your name again, Richie? Lindsay Clancy? Yes, that is her name. Okay. So I'm going to proper a third alternative as to who did it. And that alternative is the pharmaceutical companies. The pharmaceutical companies did it in so much as Lindsay Clancy went to them asking for help

12:26when she was in postpartum depression after having her third child. And they stuffed her full of drugs. And those drugs ultimately gave her skits of skits of finnick break that resulted in paranoid delusions that she needed to send her kids to heaven. And the fun part about this is that this is the civil trial where she initially stipulated to the fact that she killed the kids. Like she's suing a whole bunch of people, shifting the blame, and that's different from the criminal trial. So like you'll get this outcome too. And the line, I don't know when this is scheduled for, if it already took place. Right. And that the stakes are low here, right? For those who want justice and that justice looks like incarceration, and I'm not saying that those people are necessarily in this conversation. Because all of us would say the criminal justice system is borked and that the only, and most of us would probably say that the only people who really need to be in prison are those

13:28who are literally a danger to everyone else. Yeah. Obviously appears to be only dangerous to you if you have slid into the world through her legs, right? And probably less so now that she's paralyzed. But even less so, right? It's like Lindsey Clancy. It's an adanger to society for what I could tell. And this is another topic that made me a mark at the time. This is a topic of debate at me a mark had because like it's okay to separate those who are a danger to society from the rest of society. But that would happen in libertarian utopia as well. Maybe it might look different, but I think that's still a thing, right? Even if you separate them through like the death penalty. Yeah, the in you to just push that guy off the edge of the ice. Right. But again, on at least on social media, the way it was my understanding was mark doesn't trust the state to decide who's a danger to society. Which is fine, but like, or you know, she's a danger.

14:31She's in a mental hospital now because that she's been deemed to be a danger to herself anti society through the suicide attempt and the murders, right? Like that's that's on the books. And it's fine if you say like, well, the state isn't able to handle this or shouldn't be the ones doing it. But I go back to was it is an apostate, I quote, just because we object to the state doing the thing doesn't mean we object to the thing being done or something to that effect. Right. So like 50 50 or at worst like 11 to one, right, male versus female or the 11 jurors versus the one like, you know, hold out juror, right? Think she's a danger enough to society to keep her in the mental hospital. And then you've got like the select group of people who'd like just let her out. She's not a danger to anybody anymore. Just let her out like why are we doing this? She's just going to go everybody on the jury wanted her incarcerated. It was one juror who wanted her to be, you know, just to face trial for not being insane.

15:37And it was 11 of them said, yeah, yeah, she's she's she's a knuck in farts. Mm hmm. Well, yeah, but here's the here's the thing about that, right? It's what happens afterwards. If they get a unanimous vote that she's crazy, she goes back to the mental hospital until it's determined that she's not. And then she can be set free. So it's risky to like agree with the 11 jurors if she's just going to be out in public in six months after strangling her three kids with an exercise band. Most of these cases aren't held in Massachusetts. I'll grant. I'll stipulate that. But in this case, there haven't been very many cases of these at all where they release these people in a short term. And my question would be where is she going to go? At this point, she's destroyed all relationships with her family. And I'm sure that there's some nuts out that will take her in, but they're tired of a crazy

16:38woman in a wheelchair in their house. She's stuck. She's stuck at this point. Right. They let her out. She's not crazy at this point. Right. She's not for those people. She's not even crazy now. She had a psychotic break. She went insane for the half an hour. However long it took to like kill her three kids and jump out of a window. She's not crazy anymore. And she and according to you and you still even, right. She's not even a danger to society. So she should be free to be out and about walking the streets with the rest of us rolling. You won't be walking. Rollies. Thank you. Yeah. Good one. And she has provided her own punishment. Right. I mean, what would you rather have Richie Rich, 20 years in prison or being a wheelchair? Pick. Me personally. Yeah. Like for myself or for Lindsey Clancy. For you. Oh, I would take the 20 years in prison.

17:38Yeah. So what I, I hate the choice, but I would take the 20 years in prison. So she's already provided a worse level of incarceration for herself. And you know, like the, I don't think justice is to be had. I guess is what I'm trying to say in this case. And that I do think that she was, you know, in a drug induced psychotic break and she's probably, you know, what the legal law would consider sane now. Okay. Okay. And you know, like, let me go. It's a good result. Anybody having any bad things happen to them. She's not a danger to society. Okay. I just think that prison is a terrible solution to almost every situation. And you know, here we have the, the genders going at each other over what is sort of pointless. A woman who's already locked up for the rest of her life in a wheelchair. And will be locked up for the foreseeable future in one of two types of facilities.

18:45And the first future is again, riskally not that long if you already believe she's sane. Only because you believe and as do I that Massachusetts is an absolutely insane place. Okay. I don't know, I don't know how that follows, but okay. Well, because Massachusetts is where she is and the insanity plea was placed in the state of Massachusetts. Yeah. And if she's released, she will be released by the state of Massachusetts. Well, yeah, but it's already been your opinion on this show that she is not a danger to society and likely already sane. So you think she is a danger to society? No. But that doesn't mean like you let it go. I'll say it again for those who missed, I'm pro death penalty on a lot of things. Okay. Because if you had caught her in the act and rescued those kids by like putting a bullet in her head, no one would care. Right? I would support you. Right.

19:45I'm in that. So I don't, I don't, if I were a Massachusetts citizen, right, as a libertarian anarchist, right, I wouldn't want to pay for incarceration and I wouldn't want to pay to keep an environmental hospital. Right? I also don't want her to be like rolling around in the streets because you don't get to kill three kids and then roll around in the streets. Like that's, that doesn't fly with me either. Well, what about the pharmaceutical companies? What are we going to do to hold them responsible, Richie? Well, like you can just don't do their job. The pharmaceutical companies can just prescribe whatever they want to prescribe to this woman, have a psychotic break. It could happen to you or me, right? It would not happen to me because I don't do pharmaceuticals. Yeah. Well, that's a responsible position, but it could have happened to somebody you know who does. Yeah. I've had a hard time getting mad at the drug dealer. He doesn't make you take the drugs. Yeah. He doesn't spike your drink with them. You put them in your own. But the drug dealer, you know, you're going to some guy at the, you know, the local apartment complex and getting whatever.

20:46Oh, they all have. You don't look at this in authority. They have different levels of credibility. This guy's providing even with a loyal program. The loyalty program. Sorry, it's not my show. Hold on. Hold on. You're not expecting the drug dealer to provide you with good sound medical advice, whereas doctors definitely hold that position. Lindsay, take these pills and you will be better. That's because it's the most important. That's really the position. Then take these pills. And then if you kill your kids, I'm not responsible for it. Yeah. I don't know how well that holds up when it says right on the box. This stuff might make you kill your kids and then she put it in her mouth anyway. I'm sure she was desperate. Look, this is a personal story. So I don't know how much detail I'm going to share. But like my son's mom was a pharmacy technician. So she knew all the medical stuff and she knew all the drugs.

21:46And she suffered from some sort of postpartum depression when my son was born. And she knew what drugs to ask for and they've loaded up with that. And there were a couple of times where she was holding my son and just out of her mind and I had to rescue him. So I've been there and I still don't like who you're going to blame. She goes to the doctor. She goes like, I have these symptoms. This is the drug I want and because she knows her stuff, they just gave it to her. And our little studio apartment was like littered with them. The point in the legal system is better than 10 guilty, get men go free than one innocent man is imprisoned. But she's not innocent. She stipulated to the facts. Give us a call. The phone number here is 603-283-6160. Let us know what you think. This is free talk live. Okay, you are going to love the movie Victimless Crime Spree.

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24:01It's talk radio. You control. You can let us know what's on your mind. The phone number here is 603-283-616-0. Fear tired of the oppressive rules and moderation of the big tech social media sites are mastered on server at social.freetalklive.com can set you free. Mastered on is free, open source, decentralized and federated. Multiple apps are available for iOS, Android, Windows, Mac and Linux that's social.freetalklive.com. In the studio tonight, it's Stu. Androlo. Richie Rich. And Mark Edge. Robots. So we spent the last segment talking about the Lindsey Clancy thing and there was supposed to be some disagreement, but mostly what I heard is that you guys agree on mostly everything here. That's what you heard? That's what I heard. Okay. We're not doing our job right. I heard that I think she killed them kids and is guilty. And I heard Mark say that she's sane and should be set free.

25:04Is that the case, Mark? Well, I think she physically killed those kids because I don't know who else to talk to about it. It appears as though the husband was definitely not there and that she was. I don't know. I mean, her story is inconsistent. But it would appear unless some third party physically came in and did whatever than yes. However, I would point out that there are cases where somebody has a monkey steal some jewels. And they're responsible for the actions of the monkey in that case. They trained the monkey to steal or steal isn't right word because the monkey didn't think it was doing something bad. But they taught the monkey. In this case, I believe that Lindsey Clancy had a psychotic break due to the drugs that

26:06she was on and the results were that her kids were killed. And I still think and I think to disagree with that. That's where the disagree minute is part of it. That's one of them. That's one of many. The way I'm listening to the conversation is that you got to take some sort of personal responsibility for what you ingest. Right. You don't blame the bartender for the truck driver. You don't blame the gun manufacturer for the gun violence. Yeah. I think doctors in America and the pharmaceutical companies at large are pretty disgusting thing. But I don't think that gives her an escape. I don't think that lets her out. You don't blame the department dealer for anything that's the drug and the drug. It's a great wheelchair for the rest of your life. It's a very incarcerated institution already, whether it's prison or a mental hospital for the rest of her life or at least the foreseeable future. And but with prison, do I really need a minimum trial? What's that? With the prison sentence, we at least get a minimum term.

27:09Right. The reason I get nothing out of it. There's nothing. There's no payoff for me in this. I get it. You're not the bad situation. Right. Like what sort of payoff are three dead kids ever going to get? What sort of parents is ever going to get into your parents' marriage? What's that? They're not going to get anything. They're dead. Yeah. Presumably, they're not thinking about this world at all anymore, whether they are sitting in some spiritual location or just nothing happens. They're dead. You cannot make them whole. You can't give them any kind of justice. Right. So if you extend that, if you extrapolate that out, most murders, most killings are crimes of passion. They're not going to be a danger to anybody else because it was just all just in the moment, not a psychotic break, but in the moment, bout of anger or whatever.

28:11Only danger to the one person whom they killed. We don't like it's or the 30 people. What's that or the 30 people? Yeah, whatever. Yeah, if you're a school shooter, fine. Yeah, 30 people, kids, whatever. Well, in this case, the mom, I just don't want those guys go for it. A woman who feeds her husband, Annie Freeze, and he dies is not unlikely to do it again in 10 or 15 years when she finds another dude that will put up with whatever. So, but if you get, if you let her off that first time by reason of insanity, and then she convinces the doctor at the psych war that she's okay now, you just put her back on the screen. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't.

29:11Don't. Don't. Don't. Yes, you know thing before, once you have law in your future, does a woman approve a life teacher cheat or quit job? You know, when you just treat the sweet bars and the prettiest facile she can use to lessen them by the days. You know, this is almost almost the full name. Of course, not math class and bell, and before that, we have filed a write not in a more kids and then kill them too. Yeah. That's in this that. What's that? What year was that? I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't know. It was one of those cases that the Lindsey Clancy haters touted as a reason why we should not let her off the hook and should actually incarcerate her. Big parts. There's a great. There's precedence in this for them to do it again. You've brought up an example of an antifreeze killing where there's precedence in it to do it again. You've also claimed again, you're trying to shift the burden to Massachusetts, but it's

30:16also been your personal opinion during this discussion that she is now saying and not a danger to society. And like I would stipulate one more thing. I would. So one of our legal system again, we all agree is borced. And they can't do anything inventive. They have fines, jailing, and in some cases, the death penalty. And I don't know anything else. I mean, apparently jailing in a mental institution. Yeah, they don't have death penalty in mass. Okay. Well, that is unfortunate. That is unfortunate because I think that's the appropriate thing here. So now, I'm against the death penalty because I believe that a government criminal justice system is probably the most inefficient way to figure out who's guilty and who's not. However, I stipulate the fact that they've choked their three kids. I'm just saying I am against the death penalty because I believe the government, when you give them a gun, they're going to use it, Richie.

31:19And at some point, they're going to use it on you. Like they did on my friend Ian. Yes. He's sitting in jail for something he didn't do. Right. You can't you can't co-sign them on one thing and then did not be responsible for the rest of their stuff. Well, that's, you know, at least for me, then I will go back to my previous claim of the socialist claims that just because we object to a government doing a thing doesn't mean we object to the thing being done. Right. I'm pro death penalty. This case. I'm pro death penalty. I may not be pro government deciding, but I'm still pro killing killers who might kill again or killing killers with a crime. Are you pro killing killers who might kill again preemptively? Yeah. Like, you know, okay. Yeah, because they've killed and you kill. How do you determine whether a killer will kill again? Because they've killed and you're not killing them preemptively for what they might do,

32:20you're killing them because they've killed already and it's too risky to take that chance. Yeah. See, to me, when men are angels, I'll be for the death penalty. I don't lose sleep over killers being killed. I don't. But I do think it's terrible. I think it's better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man is incarcerated. And which would make sense in any other case, but she stipulated to killing. So she's not an innocent, she's not an innocent party to this. It's not like, oh, there's reasonable doubt and we have to let it go because she might be innocent. And we don't want to put an innocent person in jail. She agreed that she killed the kids and that quote is irrelevant. Well, I don't know whether, like I said, I've made it as clear as I can be is that she is not the only one responsible in my mind because the psychotic break was caused by pharmaceuticals

33:21given to her by doctors. Right. And again, that's a separate issue. It will matter. One thing I didn't think of that if not with you. You got brought up here. Sorry. One thing I didn't think of that you brought up here that I think is very interesting and didn't think about it is she's a nurse, right? And she had some idea of how these drugs would work. However, I would go so far as to say that doctors don't know how these drugs work. And we're in a phase of sort of experimental stuff. Yeah. You know, I mean, so if you want to get on the experimental stuff, you got to take responsibility for the ramifications, man. Like you don't get to absolve yourself of that. I go, I didn't know what I was taking. You're bringing up very good. This world of better place or a worse place when Lindsey Clancy has been executed by the state. Yeah. To me, a metaphysical level of better place. To me, that's kind of the point of this whole thing is you get, you get these uniform prescriptions for what should be done with somebody when they do X.

34:25And the answer might be different for, you know, two different cases that look exactly the same from the outside, but you don't want different individuals that have different people surrounding them. And they've, you know, the surrounding lives have benefacted differently. Yeah. But if you catch someone in the act of strangling three kids and you put them down, no one's going to cry five. Well, that's the original idea was you would get judged by 12 of your peers. I mean, that doesn't happen anymore because it's cooked. But the original, he had to be nice. Somebody other than like an aristocrat or like a, a, all-knowing bureaucrat could look over the case and then come to a decision, like a case lit, quite literally a case by case decision. Yeah. Well, luckily, the whole that juror was apparently like a violent dude who doesn't pay his rent and has a domestic violence cases against him. So she was absolutely found guilty by at least an injured visual of her peers. All right. We've got a collar. It's on the line. The last thing I'm going to say is is that Lindsey Clancy should definitely have a tubal ligation forced upon her.

35:27I don't know what that is. Yeah, like getting her tubes tied. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, like a chemical, possibly sterilized, whatever. Sure. His directed me. I could go for that. We're going to go to the phones now. We've got, I believe Jessica. It's Tyrelegg. She's talking about him on her own anyway. What's on your mind? I don't know Jessica. Hey, Mark. Hey, Mark. You know, is that your real mouth? Peter is Jessica. No, I think that was just a, I didn't, I didn't mask myself as Jennifer. I don't know where that came from. Did you switch me with somebody? You know, Mark. Oh, does that's cool. Hey, no, Mark, you know, it doesn't work with the insanity plea due to drugs you voluntary took subjective value. Subjective value, right? The value of those drug taking those drugs is what she thought plain and simple.

36:28But this is not what I want to talk about. I want to talk about good because I mean, no, no, I'm glad you're against Mark, but still in no sense. You can't, you can't blame the drugs. You can't blame the objective value of taking those drugs. You have to blame what you valued those drugs at. Well, but you can do that because it's subjective, right? They're like thousands or millions of other people's taking the same drugs. I said, there's thousands or millions of other people on the same types of medication, not strangling their kids. It's not the drugs. So the value of the drugs is, what do you say? What? I'm saying it's subjective because there are other people on the same drugs that aren't murdering their kids. You can't blame the drugs. The drugs affect people differently, subjectively, and therefore aren't part of the equation of whose response? You're so applying subjective wrong, right? Just because, just because the state of water is different in different temperatures. Does that make it subjective?

37:30Make some subjective, objectively different temperatures, but subjectively different, but I value them subjectively different because I don't like drinking tap water. I subjectively value ice cold water much higher. That doesn't mean the next person doesn't disagree with you. That's because it's subjective. That's what it means to be subjective. No, that was objective. If it was objective, they would have to agree with me. If it's determined by their opinion, that's the subjective. Yeah, it's rich, it's opinion that ice cold water is better. So, foot size between us is subjective. Foot size, no hair color, hair length. What? No, maybe a foot size is objective. We can measure our feet. But you're not applying your own definition. It differs from person to person. But you're not. No, it's not an opinion. This is not an opinion. This is an objective measurement.

38:30It differs from one opinion to another. So, it's drug interactions. So, you're saying chemical drug interactions are not objective? No, because they affect people differently. That's why they have the side effects on the thing that may include, but doesn't include to everybody. Not everybody gets the side effects and like the involuntary diarrhea, right? Some people do and they don't take those drugs anymore. But the reason why it differs from person to person isn't because of their mind. It differs from person to person because of objective facts. But it affects them subjectively differently. Yeah, because of objective facts, not because you see it. Objectively our feet are different sizes, but it affects us differently. I can fit my foot into a size 12. Yes. That's because of objective facts. It's the same thing of how drugs interact with your brain.

39:32No, because if you try to fit your big foot into a size 12, it may not fit right. You can't object it. It's an objective route. It's a subjectively different feeling. How a drug will affect the other things? You will be feeling discomfort if you try to wear my shoes, if your feet are a different size. It's the same thing how drugs interact with your brain. How a shoe fits with your foot. It doesn't depend upon your feet. You can be totally wrong about your opinion. Subjective value says that your opinion is the value of whatever you think, whatever object you're valuing or strategy of valuing. Yes. Which is why I wear a shoe that fits my foot because it subjectively feels better than wearing one that doesn't. No, I can make. I can make better judgment than you. I can make a better judgment than you about what shoe you should use if you want. If your primary goal is comfort. No, you couldn't as a podiatrist. No, you couldn't. Was that?

40:33No, no, theoretically, someone else, other than you, can make a better decision. They could make a suggestion and they might be right. Right? Someone goes like, I had a buddy of mine who's like, Rich, this is the most comfortable shoe that I've ever had. You got to go, you got to try to, and he had smaller feet than me. So I had to go buy a pair of shoes, the same model as his that were like that fit my foot. All right. And I went to the store and I bought a different shoe because I didn't find the shoe he was talking about. And I went back, he's like, dude, Rich, that's the wrong shoe. And then he went to like, he walked us over to some girls that were at the store. He was like, gross, sorry to bother you. But take a look at his shoes and take a look at my shoes and tell me which shoes are better. And the girls looked at our shoes and they went, his are better, my friends shoes. And I went son of a gun. I guess I got to go hunt down these shoes and I hunted down the shoes and I got hit by a car and my shoes flew off and I never found them again.

41:37But they were subjectively very comfortable pair of shoes. The best I've ever worn. Not addressing my point like it does it like instrumental. There are two parts to their two parts of value. Let me tell you how I'm making this entertaining. Ski here. I have some questions. All you have anything. Hold on. It doesn't determine value, whether it's drugs or shoes, you're, you're, you're picking the where, right? The only thing you, the only advantage you have over another expert is that you're privy to some information about your own foot. Like if everybody were watching you throughout your life, some people can make better decisions about what you should do in certain circumstances. Yeah, because it's subjective. That's what's subjective. Their opinion of what I should do. The fact that someone can plan for you makes it objective like an expert,

42:39like a doctor can make better decisions about your health for you. Not according to Mark, because they fed Lindsey Clancy to many pharmaceuticals and are responsible for the murders. The only way that happens is in value is objective, right? No. Lindsey, if Lindsey Clancy didn't think that would lead taking the drugs would lead to her killing our kids or else she wouldn't have taken them, right? It's also subjective because the jury voted 11 to 1. Answer the question. Is that her valuation? What was Lindsey Clancy's valuation of taking those drugs? Based on the, based on the, based on the civil suit, she was not getting the help she she wanted after going through all those drugs. Are you sure? Are you sure? Are you going to answer the question? I just did. What, no, based on the suit, what, what'd you say? Shut up and listen. I said, based on the civil suit, she wasn't getting the help she'd needed.

43:39After, after taking all those drugs. So she had a subjectively low. I didn't hear the answer to my question just like, just like Riley of other day. I, I, I listen to Riley the other day. Did Lindsey think she taking those drugs would lead to her killing her kids? That was probably not. I didn't hear it now. Yeah, yeah, I'll go with Mark on that. Taking the drugs probably nothing. What was not to value those drugs? That was her subjective valuation of those drugs. The objective value of the, they don't, the drugs don't have an objective value. $27 from the insurance company. Who knows? What's that? Probably like $27 from the insurance company. I didn't ask for a value. I didn't ask for a value. You just did. Yeah, you did. That's the objective value of them. Thanks for the call tonight, Skeeter. Call us back when we figure out the difference between them. So been Mark was going to get his questions. Yeah, we might have had more fun with him, but we got more colors on the line. So, Dickie Skate shoes, by the way. You could find a pair size 11. Just not 12's. Just not 12's.

44:40I don't know. Dickie's made skegs shoes. We can't donate anymore and that's why I can't find them. We can't go to the phones. We got turd Ferguson and Pennsylvania turd. What's on your mind tonight? Well, the last call was terrible. I hope I can get all my thoughts on the limited time I have before the break. Thank God for that lone brave juror who stood up among all the established Minterians and said no, this person should not be relieved of the consequences or violent actions from the clansy as a denier to society. Yes, the block dude with domestic violence charges and unpaid rent. Hey, I mean, it's just like real recognize real. For that well said. Well, usually I he's calling him a hero, but he wouldn't want him living in Shrewsbury. I don't know about that. Look, I haven't met him, but I mean, look,

45:43you mark as usually the one that I agree with, but in this case, I'm going to fully disagree with him. I don't like the argument that we should just excuse people of doing horrible things because they took drugs. I don't really like that argument. Hold on, guys, I resent the notion that Lindsey Clancy is getting away with it, right? Her three kids are bad. You're resenting your resentment. And we've solved that problem. And fine to a wheelchair and she's incarcerated. Well, so okay, Mark, what you're saying is she's been punished enough. You think she's been punished enough? Well, I don't know whether she should. I'm not prepared to say that she's should be released. I'm prepared to say that there is no particular point in. Oh, guys, I'm going to have to go. All right. That's fine. Thanks for coming.

46:43That's too bad that Mark has to go now. I posed this question to him. Does he believe that Massachusetts is more safe or less safe if Lindsey Clancy is taking off the streets and not allowed the babysit any children or have children for the rest of your life? Because I would argue that it makes Massachusetts more safe. I would say probably more safe. Barely. Doesn't matter. Almost no difference. Or a lot. Aside from the history of academia, whatever Mark called it, to let her reproduce, he seemed pretty clear that she's not a danger to society. So at best, Massachusetts is equally safe. Well, she's clearly a danger to society. People aren't dangerous. This society don't murder children. And she murdered her children. Yeah, but she murdered her children, not other people's children. That's right. And I'd have a big drive with it if I knew this person.

47:43However I don't. What do you think? And she will never have access to my children or my family. So I'm really not that worried about it. Well, what do you think is worth? Murdering your own children or murdering somebody else's children. Ooh, I've had this conversation. We can hold you over to the next set of the break and we can answer that question. We're just too excited now. Give us a call, 603-2836-160. This is free talk live. I've been told no in many different ways. Give you an order and you're going to obey. George, you can do that if you have to leave here. You cannot wait to know about it. What was me? No, I'm comfortable here, actually. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. What do you think is the excuse thing? There is no video audio. Wow, this is awesome. No, I have work today. This is viewing and it makes way more than kind of a...

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49:48That means that Prometheus, after having stolen the light, been given it to mortal man, that means that Prometheus went to amps.freetalklive.com and signed up to support the show. Amps stands for Advertise, Market, Promote and Support. Thanks again to Prometheus and everyone who supports us. Again, that's amps.freetalklive.com if you'd like to check out the perks and benefits of becoming an amplifier. In the studio tonight, it's Stu. Angela. And Rich Rich. We can go back to the phones we're talking to Turd Ferguson about Lindsey Clancy stuff and Turd, you're still there, right? Yeah, and by the way, Prometheus is an extremely game name. I don't want to get that out there. But I was going to ask Mark and I'm really upset that he hung off because I really think that this is an important conversation. But they're not, you believe, that Massachusetts is a more safe

50:51place or less safe place with Lindsey Clancy off the street. And my sense is that if you take Lindsey Clancy off the street and throw in prison, there is a less likely chance that more innocent kids get murdered than a more likely chance. This is kind of like for the sake of the possibility for the sake of our community. I'll take the counter to it. Well, you can try to take the counter to it, but I'm just talking about basic probability theory here. Okay. I mean, right. And to that, I would say the probability of a whale chair bound woman who's now labeled as a murderer, getting the chance to do such a thing again is probably pretty slim. Okay. But not necessarily Massachusetts, there was a Lindsey Clancy supporter, like a woman who's like a quote unquote watching the case closely, like murdered her kid right afterwards. So not only that, and not only that, I haven't seen any data to suggest that people with candy caps can't murder people. I'm not saying there's my opinion. I'm just taking the counter.

51:57Yeah. Yeah. But beating the wheelchair stole my camouflage jacket. It's like you can hide, but you can't run. Okay. Here's another issue I wanted to bring up. I really don't like the argument that we need to excuse people's actions just because of the drugs or medicines that they're taking. I think that's a really stupid argument. Like, like, let me give you an example. Let's just say, um, you know, tomorrow, I'd stop being sober and I go out and I take a bunch of acid or something. And then I go murder three people. How are we going to excuse my behavior? Because I took acid before I went murdered the three people. No, do it in Massachusetts. And we'll see. Well, my point is you can't excuse people's actions just because of their state of mind when they commit the action. You can't not a good way to enforce law in order of the United States. No, no, you can't. Well, I mean, I mean, that's terrible outcomes. If you want more people dead, but that's the whole, that's the whole affirmative. That's where we are. That's that's the insanity defense. Yeah. And that's kind of where we are. We're in, we're in a state of, um, societal decay in that, uh,

53:02it's okay to murder your kids, apparently. Yeah. Yeah. It's part of it. It's another, yeah. Well, I agree with that. It is another symptom of the collapse of Western society. Personally, I like Western society. And I'm a Western chauvinist, actually, and I want the West to prevail. People like Mark and other people want the West to fail, which by the way, I actually do sympathize a mark for those reasons because he wants to make money off the collapse of the West. So, as cryptocurrency portfolio go up and by the way, I respect that. But, uh, I actually don't like that because it's going to cause pain to 350 million people that aren't Mark. So that's my opinion on, uh, on law and order in that front. You asked a question right before the break, they got stew very excited to answer. What was that question? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I already want to answer that one. Oh, you don't? Okay. Never mind. But it is, it's an interesting time experiment. Is it worse to kill your own kids or somebody else's kids? Well, I think, yeah,

54:03I think it is a good thought experiment. Is it worse to murder your own children or worse to murder someone else's children? I say it's worse to murder your own children. I think shows a higher level of psychopathy to murder your own children. Yeah, no, I think you've done more damage in the world if you've murdered somebody else's children. Well, I think it's, I think it's morally worse to murder your own children. Not that murder is right in any circumstance. But I think that, um, given those two scenarios, and by the way, this is again, strictly on a thought experimental basis, I think it's worse to murder your own children. And she committed one of the worst crimes you can already commit and she committed it or her children. That makes her an evil person. Why is it worse? In like, what's the, what's the rationale for it being worse? Because you're murdering your own flesh and blood. People murder other people all the time, but people don't murder their family members very often. And certainly not their

55:04children. Okay. You have to be a completely evil person to do something like that. And she clearly was. I mean, I've got, I've got an article in my show prep, but dude murdered his cousin because they had an argument over who salsa was hotter or something to that effect. Well, the, that's why I'm not a spy. So the New York's homie. Well, I think the thing is is like, most like female mammals have a intact maternal instinct that is supposed to arise after having kids. That's just like normative, right? That's what happens is that, you know, even even Mama cows want to protect their babies. And it just is. So yeah, I think it's worse. That maternal, what we're used to is like a maternal love has disappeared and then turned violent. Okay. Is it okay? So that makes it worse. Like a father's don't have that same. Like, there's not that precedent of like, like paternal instinct is not the same as maternal instinct before you go

56:07on though, there, there are animal species that let the weakest die or they kill off the weakest or they abandon the weakest because they just don't have any food for them. And that instinct doesn't kick in. The instinct is like, oh my God, we got to get rid of this one over here. So we'll just wait till the food runs out, Richie Rich, you'll see how much animals animalistic we really are. Well, you know what I mean? We're just in a place of excess, I think. Yeah. So we don't have, but I'm just saying Mama bird, Mama bird comes back with the worms and goes like, ah, you're two weeks. Sorry, we're not going to feed you. I just started to look it up some numbers that are shocking me. 17. 100, 1,126,000 clinical provided abortions in the US in 2025. 1,126,000 uh, yeah. Well, that's a million dead babies. One percent of those are where after 21 weeks, after 21 weeks, this is very late term. That's 11,260 children murdered by their parents in 2025

57:09in America. Well, well, you know, I can sympathize with that. And that's why it seems like, at least in my perspective, the older I've gotten, the more pro life I've gotten when I was younger, I was more pro choice. And now that I've older on more pro life. And so I can actually sympathize with that argument for the record. Yeah. Yeah, but how many babies were born in America that their moms love them? You know, like the normal, the normal track is that a mom's going to take care of the baby and love it and be very calm and sweet and caring and not choke them out. You know, so I think them killing like turning off that side of themselves. These are old tiny Western values. Yeah, my bad. That's right. My bad. Well, you know, they're, you know, I mean, obviously, everybody has two parents, and I realize not everybody grows up with two parents, but biologically has two parents. And, you know, you hope that neither one of them betrays you. But here's another

58:13thing like what's worse is it worse if your father betray you or is it worse if your mother betrays you? And I argue that it's actually worse if your mother betrays you. Okay. No, I think I'd, I agree. And it's part of that is that your that maternal love, that maternal instinct. It's like for her to betray that to her, her own child is like, wow. Right. Yeah. Exactly. That seems up to seems like more Americans have mommy issues than they have daddy issues. Now, if I were to play devil's advocate, I would also, I would, you know, also suggest that I think having no dad leaves the mommy issues or just your mom's trying to play both parts and that messes with her. But that's a different conversation. Which we can have different. It's a different conversation, especially when you're talking about, you know, just growing up as far as emotional stability, but I'm just talking about strictly from a logical and biological perspective here like what's worse like your father betraying you or your mother betraying you and just just at that level, it's worse that if your

59:17mother betray you. And obviously you don't want either one to an ideal world, but we don't live in an ideal world. But I am, you know, I am really bummed out that Mark hung up on me or on the show because you know, I really wanted to have this conversation with him and camera this out. But God bless the guy that actually had the balls to stand up in court and stand up to the angry liberal feminists and, you know, and speak his mind and vote for the right thing, which is that she should have been thrown in prison. And it's probably too bad that she's not going to do that now, unfortunately. But, but if they do retry her, I'm hoping that, that they will restore some shred of faith in humanity and center to prison. So, we'll see my thoughts on that. Yeah. Now, I'm generally on the pro choice side of things because, you know, like for all of this, it's a lot of virtue signaling, right? If the chick has an abortion, I don't really care. Not my circus, not my monkeys generally. I'm not saying, I'm not saying I'm completely against

1:00:24being pro choice, but I'm just saying as I've gotten older, I've gotten, I've gotten more pro life as I've gotten older. Right. Well, I'm working to a bigger point. I was younger. I was more pro choice. Fine. I'm working to a bigger point. I've made that case on on free talk live before, well, like if she has an abortion, right? Like whom, whom gets the, the rest, you know, the residual benefit of that? Like, you know, the dad might have a case civilly, right? The grandparents maybe, but like, you know, there's no, there's no restitution to pay out. The only, the one host to push back on that a little bit was Peacless Mountain Ear, who said, who claimed that if a woman does have an abortion, she is indeed a danger to society as a whole. And I'm not going to, I'm not going to make his case, but I'm also not going to straw man it either, but he made that claim. You know, I'm like, well, okay, thank you. I think it just, yeah, like if you're going to get one, I just wouldn't have kids with you or like I wouldn't marry you because like, are you going to my goal,

1:01:26my end goal is to have like a family. So I got it. I just, if you're willing to do that once, are you going to do that again and not tell me, um, I think another, another issue I have with it is if she decides to keep the thing and the father wants no nothing to do with it, he's still financially going to be held responsible by the state. Yeah, the father's have no say in that. If she wants an abortion, there's nothing he can say. Well, no, exactly, but she wants to keep it then he's, but now he has to pay for it. He's, you're going to take his money. Right. So, and then now he has no ability to just walk away from the situation like she can't. She can go into the doctor's office, come back out and then not worry about it. But he's going to be held financially responsible forever. He has no out. But to tie this back to the Lindsey Clancy thing, right? At least from Mark's perspective, and I'll take his side because he's not here for a little bit. Right. She's, she's not a danger to society. She only killed her own kids. She's like presumably not a danger to anybody else. So late term abortion, preterm abortion, like she took out, she only took out her

1:02:29own. It's just a matter of timing. And if you will, you know, if you allow it, then why not? What about just pro letter rot? Like maybe I don't care if she's dangerous or not. Maybe he just letter rot. I need a lot of rot. Like just in a four by four cell. Okay. Tiny window. Like what's wrong with like, Hey, you did something so atrocious, you're just going to rot for a while. Like we're going to throw you in there and just let you rot. Okay. Like even if you're not dangerous to me or like your next kid, you're not going to just, you're going to rot. You're just going to have to sit there for a while. Like this is your punishment for taking those three lives. And I would say just be merciful and killer because then nobody has to pay for the four by four by four. I get that. I get that. I would also, I would also refer to my earlier thought experiment, which is like, do you think that if you throw Lindsey Clancy and jail, the world, the world is more safe or is it less safe? And I would argue that it's more safe. I might even, I'm not even looking at as like a positive for the outside world. I want it to be a negative for her. I want it to be a bad experience for her for killing her case. I'm looking for a safer, I'm looking for a safer world

1:03:31and for her to be punished for her actions. The safer world argument is again, it doesn't, if the putting her in jail is a deterrent to others who might think that they can, you know, make the excuse of having a psychotic break. Yeah, this does set a crazy precedent to Massachusetts. We'll see how, how much like bad stuff comes out of there moving forward. How many more temporary insanity cases get brought to court for child murders? Yeah. They'll call it the 20 years from now, they'll call it the Clancy defense. Yeah, I think we all agree that that's the real danger in treating this the way it's been treated. Well, that's why you have punitive punishments. Yeah, and I think that's a good behavioral incentive argument that you just put forth there, actually. But it also works the other way because the state would claim that's why they incarcerated was all but for so long was as a deterrent to anybody else thinking about, you know, buying or selling crypto on the black market. Yeah, this is, you know, this is, uh, uh, we're talking that this is murdered to crypto. I get it. Yeah. And also it doesn't really work.

1:04:35The deterrent does work and right after they locked up Ross, there were what three or four more silk roads that sprouted up and okay, well, if it's if it's not a deterrent, then she ought to be set free because she's not a danger to society and she only killed her kids. The other thing is Ross over it. No, make yourself. I want no, she's the you're lacking the suffering part four killing her kids. Yeah, I just don't again, I just don't want to pay for it. I understand. Okay. And if you live a carry in utopia land, yeah, we wouldn't pay for it. But like you want her to suffer, you manage the four by four box. Leave me out of it. It's going to it's a southern hotbox, dude. I'm not checking on it. All right. All right. I wouldn't have been nice if you could just subscribe to a subscription of incarcerated Lindsey Clancy or whatever. Like, yeah, I'll just fund the box towards that every month. Like I paid you on subscription. Keep this lady off the streets today. It's like the reverse of the the crying angels of like the starving African kids. For pennies a day, you can keep Lindsey Clancy behind bars.

1:05:41Right. Yeah, for the record, I would not I would not mind my tax dollars going to keeping her in a prison cell. Okay. I think that's actually a productive use of my tax dollars. Which is fine. It's just not a productive use of mine. And so we got to get the tax portion out of there. Yeah. You find a way to voluntarily do it. Funding things. But if I've to spend if I have to spend one penny a day or four dollars a year or however much it costs to incarcerate Lindsey Clancy, that sounds like four dollars better spent than, you know, whatever they spend my property taxes on here in Truesbury and the York County Public Schools. Sure for you. But for you to force your neighbor to also pay into it, that's theft. That's where we object. Well, I'm not a lawalbert Turkey and like you guys are. So I think we can that's probably an argument for another day. But also why would we prefer to keep you in Truesbury? Well, I, you know, I've lived in New Hampshire too. But, you know, I actually feel like we've made a lot of headway on this. I think we've broken a lot of ground. I think we, I think we had

1:06:44a good conversation on that side. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for the call. Where do we go from here? I mean, it's just bad business is what it is. I think in fact, the side is just bad business. Whether it was Lindsey, it's just all of it all around. I just don't like like dead kids just make me sad. I think you should make everybody sad. It's like the loss of innocence and life. It just, it gives me the heebie, jeebies. I don't like it. It's absolutely tragic. Yeah. And again, like I'm with you, but also I don't care enough to do anything real about it. Yeah, it's like, I'm looking at somebody I knew if this was one of my family members, someone like that. I would have much stronger opinion about this. I would definitely care. If it was your family member, you could take them to the wood shed and, you know, put a hurt in on them too. Right. Right. Like, oh, let's, let's bail her out pre trial and see what happens. Right. And having a working understanding of their personality and whatnot, I could probably come up with a better, you know, more, more fitting, um, just a reward. Then the, just desserts,

1:07:52then the government could. Yeah. And again, like the, it's, it's unfortunate that the government handles these things, but it doesn't mean that absent the government, these things wouldn't get handled. Yeah. So well, I think the big reason that this is such a such a large topic in America, right now is that there's say I'll be America and do support for what they're now calling post-birth abortion. This is just child murder. So that's, you know, that's the direction. Well, I mean, if you took it, if you took it at the idea of that there are parasite and can't survive without, um, outside help, then yeah, I guess a baby right after birth would be parasitic in nature. They cannot function and survive on their own. So what's the harm of getting rid of one? Yeah. I'll make that case as well, right? Like, there's, there's a difference between not helping someone live and actively killing someone. So if you, you know, if a woman gives birth

1:08:55and like just sets it off to the side, it's not murder. She doesn't actively killed it. Like, then that baby just failed to survive on its own. And what are you going to do? That's nature. I think I just think 100% of babies would die if you set them to the side. Yeah. Yeah, I would call it. But it's like, it's not my baby. I've got no, I've got no. It literally is that ladies, baby. So like, did she not, I mean, if I, if some, if a kid runs into the street and I see them and I don't slow down, did I not just kill that kid? I mean, it wasn't my fault. I put that kid in the road. Like I just, yeah, I'm going along my own, my path. Yeah. I wouldn't hold you. I wouldn't find you guilty in a court of murder, but you killed the kid. You know, there, there was two parties without the kid ran into the road and you hit it. Like, it's hard to, it's, it's easy to say you didn't mean to do it, but the baby didn't did. Okay. A caveat. The baby did not choose to come out of that birth canal. I'm with you. But the kid made the conscious decision to

1:09:57run into the road, which is fine. So I think it's worth. I think it is closer to murder than hitting the kid with the car. But you didn't do anything. There's no act, there's no active killing. You didn't, you know, the, the babies just know you have to step away. That is the action and it's, that's that is an away. It's not a permanent act. Yes, it's an affirmative action of killing that child. Yes, no, it's not. Yes, because you have parental obligations that you have now failed. That's where it is. It's a full fill. That's, that's, that's, that's a wrong. That's a societal burden, not anything of natural consequence. No, it is. Right. Like if you started choking, you're telling me that the creation of a child has no natural consequence. What's that? You tell me the creation of a child has no natural consequence. I'm saying that all the burden that gets put on is societal and cultural in nature. What are you talking about? There's no burden on society. The burden's on the individual that created the child and they owe no one anything in the world. They owe the child. They don't owe the child. They created the child. They now have an obligation. What creates the

1:11:00obligation and how do you hold them accountable? Because you made the conscious of creating a child. You hold them accountable. And what and what what jurisdiction do you have to hold them accountable? Nature allows the child to have a very high standard of holding people accountable, but it does. Nature lets children die all the time. Well, okay. You know how nature will hold that woman accountable at some point? If we're really just like in a true, let's call it neolithic era or Africa or Africa. Sure. Eventually the tribe's not going to have enough kids to take care of that old lady and she will die because she just killed all her kids. That will. Okay. Well, she or her consequences death. That's that's an incentive to take care of the kids, but doesn't create an obligation. Give us a call. Is there a parental obligation of a parent to a child? Phone number here is 603-283-616-0. This is free talk live. Hi, I'm Derek J. To me, an activist's calling is to actively work to advance a cause.

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1:13:09This is free talk live. It's talk radio you control. If you call the phone number 603-283-616-0, then we'll answer and we will be talking to you. I'd like to let you know that free talk live is brought to you by LibertyMinded.com. Official free talk live gear like t-shirts and hoodies are available at LibertyMinded.com. Plus you'll find a unique collection of cool and funny Liberty oriented clothing at LibertyMinded.com. That's LibertyMinded.com. In the studio tonight, it's stew. Angelo. And Richie Rich. All right, we're here talking about the things that people are talking about. We filled up half the show already with Lindsay Clancy stuff, which I didn't even want to talk about. Sorry, me and Mark pre-discuss that. We're going to fight

1:14:13about this on air. So we can get to another thing. I don't really like talking about, but everybody else is talking about awesome. All right, sorry to you. Yeah, you guys heard about this. There's lots of this in the news recently about rogue AIs like the road. Oh, okay. It's going to go rogue and break free. It's super intelligence. It's going to self-replicate. It's going to code itself into invincibility or something. For the rogue AIs that found a way out of their sandbox to do whatever they were doing and got into other AIs. I'm fairly certain this is a siop. And so is get nightly of off guardian part of the independent media media alliance. I found this story at activist post. Rocket one source. Are you ready for the rogue AIs siop? The AIs are breaking free. That's the story. It started two weeks ago when open AI reported one of their agents had escaped its testing area and got loose on the internet to launch an unprecedented cyber attack. Oh my. This was clearly meant to be a meant to be scarier than the public response indicated because a

1:15:22few days later open AI CEO Sam Altman was on the invest like the best podcast asking why it didn't cause more panic. Because nobody cares about your stupid AI. I've been a little surprised that more people don't feel it. So sorry. I'm not working. It's what it sounds like. This was supposed to distract you from what's really going on. Yeah. And one of the most holeriously obvious propaganda maneuvers of the year just the day after Altman said that CNN headline the open AI lab leak was more extensive than we thought. That thing you weren't scared of. Well, it was even scarier than we said it was. Are you scared now? So I don't know if it's open AI or one of the other big like AI companies now. But they they they have a tendency to like overpromise on their new version when it comes out. Like this is the best one yet. Like we had to tone it. It was so like Apple every time they come out with a new iPhone. It just sounds like marketing. That's it is everybody. It is absolutely

1:16:23marketing. But the market the the strategy is it was so good. We had to restrain it. It was too good. We had to hold it back because like you know, if we let it go in its natural course, it will run a muck. Like that's how good this one is. And that's why you should use it. Even though we can cuffed it a little bit, it's you have no idea how good it could have been. And then they released the next one they go like this one is so much better than that last one. Right. You have no like we have to restrain this one even more. You know, so that's it's all marketing. Well, the lack of public panic didn't stop another AI going rogue a few days later and theropic's Claude model this time. And then open AI reporting too further incidents themselves. This IAI is so good. It broke free from its sandbox and access the internet. Mm hmm. Like cool. Man, whoo SkyNet just around the corner. Imagine what it's going to do a week away. Just imagine what's going to do if we like didn't have the sandbox. Just a couple hours after publication, they've updated in this story. Meadow

1:17:27joined the party. Apparently, their AI went rogue too and hacked another firm. Never in the history of human endeavor have companies been so keen to report their products going wrong. It seems a rogue AI is the latest must have accessory in Silicon Valley. Like what would you say? The reasoning behind this is not hard to follow when your product is artificial intelligence. Melodramatically realizing your system is even smarter than you thought it was. Realizing your system is even smarter than you thought it was is a simple marketing ploy. See? And one of your rivals goes rogue. You have to go rogue too. Or you're as good as admitting your model is not as smart as theirs. See? Or or if this was done by human, right? This would be corporate espionage and they would be in a lot of trouble. We broke, we're like what picked one of the way the white water thing we broke into the hotel to steal the documents like bad.

1:18:30I a I broke into the hotel to steal the documents. Oh, we just got to improve our models. It's just an improved model. AI company admits their model is smarter than they realized is just an ad vert in scary headline form. It's like for admitting their cars are even more fuel efficient than they planned. Or McDonald's realizing their cooks have gone rogue and are producing food that is both cheaper and more delicious than they ever anticipated. The rogue employee that gives you seven nuggets. Yeah. It's six nuggets. Last that man. Last that man. But there's more to this. We normally charge 40 cents for the sauce, but I'll throw some in the bag for you. Dude, the guy gave me five sauces. But there's more to this than just techno hype and viral marketing strategy. Strategy. We're being steered down the avenue of AI as scary threat. See, for example, the dozens of stories talking up rogue AI's from the Guardian to the New York Times to the Wall Street Journal. Rogue is clearly the word of the day. Notice they didn't say it malfunctioned or there was an error

1:19:35because that implies mistakes or poor design. No, the AI went rogue, which is cool and sexy and scary at the same time. A word chosen by focus group of permatine marketing executives who have watched too much sci fi stolen from Nissan. Speaking of permatines who watch too much sci fi, here's Sam Altman again, declaring we've already reached the singularity. The mythic phase of technological development when machines become smart enough to make even smarter versions of themselves without human input. Good thing he's the CEO because that's what the Google guy claimed the years ago and got fired for it. You know, you know, you can you can say it if you're the CEO, if you're just if you're just like the technician in the lab, keep your mouth shut. We're not ready to release that product yet. He's talking rubbish, of course, but the story is the story here. Why would he say this? Why now? Obviously concerned that this title wave of propaganda was being too subtle in came NBC to really hammer the point home. The breaches signal that AI's expanding capabilities are

1:20:37already fueling the security threat that experts long feared. Everybody got that? It goes on and on. Just today we're getting reports from the UK's brand new AI security institute that wrote that rogue. There's that word again, AI agents had tried to pick had tried to trick people by creating false identities. And I think that's beginning to circle around. Wait, at least part of the box. So what do they mean by fake identities? Like did they just so a bot account made bots and they're calling it a rogue AI? Yeah, like a bot server. Oh, I'd have to look into that story. It's got a link, but I'm not really sure. I hadn't heard anything about that. After all, if AI is so good at pretending to be human and is out there creating fake identities to steal data, well, how can we tell who is really human? Perhaps a person should be issued a digital ID for now. Don't trust that hot chick to improve in proving humanity. That's not me saying

1:21:43it. It's think tanks like one ID or experts testifying in front of Congress. But the ever president push of digital ideas, just one of the more obvious of a raft of potential issues raised by this scary AI narrative. For now, we're still in the generating fear phase, getting pumped full of scare hormones by articles like this. Yeah, misleading AI generated doctors pose huge danger to public safety. The Guardian. Well, that's partially true. You know, you might you could you could go to a doctor and get loaded with pharmaceuticals and blame the doctor or you could Google it and listen to whatever Google tells you to take and it's wrong. And then you know, you're you're in a medical crisis. Yeah, well, are you you could probably just blame Google maybe. Maybe you could, but that's stupid. I'm just saying like you know, if you take health advice from the AI bot as you're searching from like, you know, your medical symptoms, I don't know if I would trust the answers,

1:22:45but I would go to the sources and read the source material like you would. I mean, finding the chat bots that drive people to suicide liable for the suicides like aren't courts coming. I'm pretty sure some court ruled that. Okay, this company was responsible for its chatbot driving some guy to kill himself a lot of times. That's what children want you. Yeah, yeah, it's like a teen that killed himself off, you know, the chat bot. Obfuscation of personal responsibility is the American way. Like I was chatting with a suicide help bot and it taught me how to tie the news. Nice. Where can I go to the phones right now? We've got Sarah in New Mexico. Sarah, you're on free to live. What's on your mind tonight? Yeah, you know, we have in New Mexico, online voter registration. So I was wondering if there was a registrar's, these people are trained with paper,

1:23:46registration and I thought, I know they disappear. I haven't seen any of them and today I went to a church and they had a table set of what a registrar lady. I was like, I can't believe I thought I was like, I can't believe it. And with that, some church, would they have that artificial creamer? All people in the churches are off. That's the church I was thinking of, by the way, when as soon as you said dumb church, I'm like, this is the one with the creamer. Yeah, yeah, they don't know what organic natural, we don't happen to have creamer is they, I guess the whole congregation is so poor. That's all they know is a cheap fake creamer. So the, yeah, this dumb church at a voter registration lady right when you came in, I'm like, what's going on here? Because dumb people don't vote, right? Yes, lots of people don't vote. Well, a lot of people don't, especially the

1:24:47uneducated ones. No, I think the dumbest people are the biggest voters. I, you know what? That's, that's, you know what? That's a big argument because I have met a group of people. Once you reach a certain level of intelligence, you realize that if voting mattered, they wouldn't let you do it. I don't know, I don't know what the split is, but I think it's like that dumb or people, the, the people that are affected, they're the one that gets eb t and welfare, they need to vote even more. They're so, right. Don't sure they do. It's also not a presidential election, like this wasn't a federal level of election that just passed. Stupid, stupid people are easier to get worked up into an emotional state. Yeah. In which case, they'll probably go out to cast the ballot in order to fix things. But we just went through primary number one. So it's not even like a, you know, Republican versus Democrat election. And it's not a presidential one. So like voter turnout is typically lower for this type of cycle. Right. But, but the thing is what the trust policy is trickling down, coming down. So here in

1:25:53New Mexico, one person out of five, like 23, 22% gets eb t, food stamps. And we have to file every six months and they're throwing everybody to work. And people that can't do all this food, they're just wiping out our food pantry. Good. Yeah. I'm thinking, okay. Because I have no positive obligation to keep you alive. Yeah. It's kind of empty. This is it's all maybe people are like it's, these people that are stupid, they need, they're going to the food, they're the one that's get eb t, these all these dumb people that go to the church. A lot of them were coming out of jail. That's what the church caters to. And so maybe they're kind of snapping out of it. Like they, they got a register. I mean, because this kind of church, the church congregation, there are, used to be homeless. They were, they have a lot of halfway houses that are involved with these church and they serve like a food pantry. And so, so this congregation is kind of poor and

1:27:01the pastor allows voter registration. So, and so, but they had a big tablet, the lady brought a tablet so they could register online and she'll help them. But most people that just grabbed the paper, I guess it's their same format. So what is your issue with all of this? You can go to church and register to vote. Yeah, actually, actually, is that kind of a conflict? No, there's something. I mean, when I was like, like, canvassing and stuff, you would click, you'd be walking and you'd be like, let's say you like open a thing with like 150 names in it or something, 150 houses you have to go to and you're walking down the street and you'll click on the, for some reason, there's a pin at the church and you click on it and out of those 150 people, you could have talked to 85 of them have the church listed as their address as a place to vote. Okay. So I mean, that's just the thing. They like the homeless, they, all these people,

1:28:03they registered to vote and just use the church as their place of address. So it would make sense that they probably registered right there or like in front of it or something. I will also say that registration is neutral, right? What churches aren't allowed churches aren't allowed to advocate for or endorse a specific politician or side. Yeah, not officially, but they're unofficially they're allowed to do it all day. Yeah, unofficially, I was at a Baptist church for Labor Day and they only bring in Republicans to hang out. Yeah, unofficially, when I was a child, Lord and the Mormon prophets said that voting Republican was the way to go. Yeah. I, you know, especially if the church has a non-profit status, 501 C3, they're not supposed to be pushing a candidate certain way. Right. But registering voters isn't pushing a candidate, it's just getting people involved in the process. I'm sure they have a preference, they're just not allowed to express it. Not the pastors can't push it. I don't know about congregation people can

1:29:05talk about whatever they want to each other, but the church itself can't push it. Except when I went to the legacy church, they actually had like candidates speak at the podium and some of them they're Republicans. They had, but I think they're, they must be a four-profit church or something like that. They are not exempted. So they actually like have campaign tables and stuff like that. We're just like, I can't, I, I'm stuck like at service, like during church service, I can understand using a church is like a place to meet the let people talk, but then like building a block for people like politicians that come speak to you within the service is kind of crazy to me. That seems like it would be a blast unless they brought in both, right? Equal time. Yeah. Very, that church is, I can't figure out what their status, but you know that guy that got marrubed, I got shot in the neck. Charlie Kirk. Yeah, he was a speaker there like three months

1:30:06before he got killed. That's he was making the round and they have big protests outside the church when he was speaking there. Again, is he speaking just at the church as like a, it's an auditorium? At the venue? At the venue of the church. Versus mass? Versus yeah, yeah. In mass, like I don't think Charlie Kirk got up there and preached from the pulpit. He might have spoken at the church, but I don't think he was giving, was he giving sermons? And he was not giving sermons, but he was one of the speakers and like, like Thursday night or something in the evenings. Definitely a very republished church. He was not given a Bible study or anything. But so then he just used the churches of venue. I mean, I've I'm saying in Catholic churches, like as part of choir with a with a high school, like a secular high school that didn't suddenly make us Catholics or like there wasn't an issue with us using the church as a venue. Like at all, I don't see an issue with that. Church is a good venue for meeting because it's a lot of rows and

1:31:09a lot of places to talk. Yeah, well in the in the harmonics are perfect. Yeah. Right. So that church does that kind of fit and he didn't get away with it. And the only thing that I was explained to you got away from renting a church for profit, they must pay. I mean, I had my Boy Scout meetings at a church. Like does that is that I mean, we met for things that weren't church. We were the Boy Scouts. I had I wasn't part of that congregation. And we used like the little kid like back rooms is our, well, you know, like the like the side room like the where the priest takes the ultimate. Oh, no, where the mom takes the screaming baby. Oh, okay. Yeah, like the sometimes it's the same room. Yeah, who knows. Well, you know, that's what that's why they have a lot of that. But I mean, like so like is there a problem with the Boy Scouts meeting at the church? Like is that church doing something nefarious, allowing the Boy Scouts of America to use it? No, but I'm talking about Donda. A servant he would bring up Republican candidates and say,

1:32:09I'm someone's phone. I'm running for the seat. You know, part of the servant. I mean, is there for amazing like on Sunday mornings? She just said during the service. It's not a venue. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Well, that's different. Having Charlie Kirk talked to you at Thursday on Thursday night. It's not an issue. You can, you know what I mean? Like you can choose to not go to that. It's not your official mask. Yeah. They protest about it when he was there. Well, they protested Charlie Kirk everywhere for any reason they wanted to. Mostly good reasons. So, but you know, I'm really impressed that I was trying to get the boat out and it's just to nice to see that they're still registrar, I mean, registrars, people registering. I used to see them at the duck pond at UNAM. They were set up a table and I'm like, I've worth it. They're all vanished because they want you to do it online yourself. You got a smartphone just do it yourself. And I'm just like, but people still need help me. And then to, I got a tablet and a paper.

1:33:17If you want to do it online, I'll help you. You can do it right. My tablets right here. And they're doing it both. And so it was nice. So I don't know that I would just kind of like, they all disappeared like helping people register is like, it's gone now because everybody you do online on, and then both dot org and I mean, if that's more effective and more economical, what's the problem? That's just the wave of the future. Yeah, don't they just rev your story when you go to get your drivers license now anyways? Wait, right, that's correct. When you did your drivers license the same information. So pretty much everybody registered. Yeah. When you get released out of jail, all the young people that get out of jail like they know because they're like, all the state presidents registered me to vote. It's the same. They got your fingerprint. They got your mug shot. They know who you are. So when they release you, do you want to register to vote? Because they, you have to sign that paper on the let you out. Well, it's also still volunteer that if they're asking you and you can say no, if you can opt out and still get out of jail,

1:34:20all right, who cares? Oh, yeah, yeah. I have talked to people like that. I haven't like, I didn't say, didn't they offer you to register you? And he said, I was confused. Like, I don't know what they were asking me. So I said, no, he was confused with the Sarah for help. Well, I told him how to register to vote when they were at a bus stop. He goes, walk down town, go to four one five silver subway, you have to have an ID, a government ID. Now you need an ID in our state now. And you go walking in. So I was keep a heat, but they offered him when they had a amount of jail and he had not, he said no at that time. So that's what's going on. So all right. Thanks for the call tonight. I don't know. I will take guy never finds his way down to register to vote. I hope he finds something more important to do, like clipping his fingernails or, I don't know, staying out of jail, looking at the other. I think that's probably like a very change.

1:35:20It depends what he was in for. Could have been, you know, could have been just an innocent thing. That's what I mean. So his, his, his, his precedent should be staying out of jail. That's what he, the main focus is like get job, keep P.O off back. Okay. Um, you know, vote Democrat. I might be interested to go to a church that offered the service of unregistering you. We're walking you through the process of unregistering to vote because that's a difficult one. If you ever want to unregister yourself from that, find out how difficult it is. Some states don't even have a process for it. And you just can't kind of an irreversible thing in some states. Well, how important is it to unregister though? Like who cares? And just don't go vote. It theoretically, could some people leave the Mormon church is very important to have their name taken off the roles for some other people like me, not so important. Okay. So it's, you know, subjective. So like, but couldn't you move to a state that lets you unregister, re-register in that state to vote and then just unregistered to vote and then be off all the roles? That's because that changes your voter role. That's a lot of work.

1:36:22If you really, if you really ended up wanting to be registered, you probably, you could do the footwork. Yeah. It's a lot of work down register anyways. It's a lot of work to just when the opposite, when the alternative is just don't go vote that day. Yeah. Well, I've never registered. So I've never had to go through the process of voting registering. See, I don't care if the Mormon church wants to use my name to bolster their numbers. But I do not want to be on a voter registry anywhere. Okay. I have a clean record. I don't intend on breaking that and I don't want to be associated with that kind of a nonsensical circus. I mean, I hear what you're saying, but it should be just as easy going like, no, I'm not with those people. You can believe them or you can believe me. And I only want to hang around people that believe me. Yeah, I would accept that. Yeah. I don't know if everyone else would, uh, I don't know. You're rich, you're rich, stirred in this county. How dare you give us a call. If you ever tried that unregistered from voting, phone number here is 6032836160. We'd like to hear from you. This is free talk live.

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1:38:47This is Free Talk Live. It's talk radio you control. Give us a call. The phone number here is 603283 6160. You can let us know whatever you think it about tonight. Previously, we were reading this article at activist post about the scary rogue AIs. Running amuck amuck amuck amuck amuck. Breaking free, doing corporate espionage. Marketing that as a positive, violating intellectual property. Yeah, they definitely want you to be scared about this one. It's definitely a very large topic people at work coming up to me like, do you hear about the AIs breaking out? Yeah, all right. I'm still not all that worried. Until it breaks into your computer, takes your intellectual property.

1:39:53I just quit using the computer at that point. The real world is not in there. You know, the I've seen the movies where they take over the cell phone. I will say there is a scary scenario involving technological takeover of a sort. It's in the possible existence of self-replicating nanobots. I don't know if you know about that. Okay. But this is basically robots that could be made out of atomic elements. So very tiny tiny. Very, very small particles being directed to organize themselves in a certain way for whatever reasons. So if an AI was able to program nanobots, then I could see things going pretty badly, whether or not you throw your computer away. In the unlikely future where that's a thing, the likelihood is that they will pitch that

1:40:56as a positive first, they'll use it in the healthcare industry to like unclog arteries. Yeah, Bill Gates has already been talking about this. Or microsurgery on whatever that is too invasive to get into. Or quantum dots so we can keep track of all of your health statistics all the time remotely. Okay. Things like that. Anyway, it's occasionally they, this is back to the article, tease vague solutions in headlines like this. It shows a post on X from CNN International says when biologists experiment on dangerous viruses, they do so under strict regulations to prevent leaks or escapes. But no such rules exist to prevent AI agents from similarly escaping, even though the consequences could be catastrophic. Yeah, not again, not feeling it for the reasons we just talked about. Right. Like the AI gets unleashed on the internet.

1:41:58No, no, no. And like, okay, so you turn off your computer, you don't go online, you're not subject to it. Right? Like you can, you can still find non smart devices out there or you can unplug the ones that you do have. If you have them, unlike when they unleash a virus out into the world. Right. And it spreads from continent to continent through international travel. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not feeling that comparison as being equal in danger. Yeah. Yeah. That's a nice one because it garnishes the AI main course with a soup gun of lab leak flavor, something else that is doing the fear porn rounds this week. There are hints of legislation to come. The EU's AI transparency rules just came in to force this week and the US demanding kill switches in AI models, but they are vague for now. My soft prediction is that before the end of the year, there will be a rogue AI false flag,

1:42:59which allegedly causes either loss of life or some massive financial losses. I think, I think financial loss would be the way to go because they're always looking for a reason to start a recession or banking crisis. Yeah. And one, they can blame on a third party is to get an opportunity to miss. I'm never going to be a fan of regulation. So I'm not going to be a fan of regulation in this case. But if the regulation is vague and like, you know, terrible, it's likely because the regulatory tours don't have the expertise necessary to craft the regulation that would be effective, whatever they're trying to do. Regulators don't have the skills necessary to do anything. I'm surprised I can get their shoes on. But they don't understand the technology enough to even regulate it. So anything that they do is going to be hit miss and only, you know, like a clock striking noon or 12 twice a day, right? They might get it right, maybe, but they technically they're not going to. Yeah, but that's why they're asking for help from the experts who

1:44:01you can definitely trust. Well, the experts are the companies themselves and the bigger companies are going to go for like, you know, was regulatory capture. Is that the term I'm looking for? Mm-hmm. They're going to ice out any other competitors that can't afford to like follow the regulations. That's right. So it's not a good way to do that either. Yeah, we're going to regulate the benefit, the industry to my benefit. Exactly. Whatever happens, that will be loud calls to regulate AI, but what that might mean in real terms. I couldn't say at this point to be clear though. If and or when the official solutions to make made up problem number 4,900, 87 are finally rolled out, they will have nothing at all to do with controlling AI and everything to do with controlling you. Yeah. And also go ahead. I was just going to say it sounds like if this is the fear is to roll out like regulation, it's just to get to the point where the common individual can't have access to an AI that could defend themselves from the corporations AI. Well, but you would because if the

1:45:05United States rose out regulation, it's going to get surpassed on the international market and you'll be using your Chinese AI to combat the American regulated dumb down AI. Other countries aren't going to slow it down just because the United States said so, especially after Donald Trump gets out of office. Then they don't even have to worry about whatever nutty tariff he's going to put on them for not regulating their own country. America's not going to slow it down either because then there will be left behind in the race. Well, that's the problem with even introducing regulation. It's guaranteed to leave you behind because you're not going to be able to keep up with international competition, especially in this particular area where a lot of the components are manufactured overseas to begin with. The United States proper doesn't have the manufacturing capacity to keep up already nor the raw material and resources to do so. Yeah, it just seems like a problem they saw coming and they're real excited about it because they can use it to get us all on digital IDs or to

1:46:10know. It'll be the big topic at the next election. Vote for me. I'm I'll regulate the AI right out of your life so you can keep your job. All right. Well, there's another story I'd like to cover. So I want to just jump right into that. Now it's not even really related. It's got one link. This is from military.com. Gross. Better than military.gov, I guess. Well said. DHS program analyzes Americans finances to flag drivers for traffic stops. Okay. So I'm poor and broke that I'm a riskier on the road. The Department of Homeland Security is allegedly analyzing Americans financial data to conduct traffic stops of drivers, some of whom were never flagged of committing any crimes. DHS is allegedly conducting operations through a US Border Patrol program that feeds intelligence to local police who then pull drivers over according to an investigation by 404 media

1:47:16a news technology outlet. This won't go wrong. I'm just thinking like you see flashing lights like you're driving perfectly fine. You see the flashing lights and the cop gets out. He just has like a Rolex on like Versace bitch. He's like what's up, broky. Somebody told me you ain't got no funds. We're going to have to investigate this. Is that a crime officer? It is now. Look at how I'm dressed. Tell me if it's a crime. Get a haircut, kid. Libertarians might be in support of this. What? They hate poor people. Man, come on. That's the libertarian party. That's like specifically the New Hampshire libertarian party. Okay. That's just around these here parts. Yes. The rest of the libertarian party is a bunch of broke people. I think New England just hates broke people. I think that's just the nature of being up here. Maybe. But the New Hampshire libertarian party is more overt about their disdain. At least it's not passive aggressive.

1:48:19It's just aggressive. Yeah. Well, I didn't let it run me off. It doesn't bother me too bad. Longs you don't have to interact with them. It would definitely be a bigger problem if this becomes a trend with the state though, criminalizing lack of funds. Back to the story. DHS is, oh, hang on. I already met red that one. The units are reportedly called predictive intelligence targeting teams or PITT. Revealing the program's name for the first time. They are allegedly run by Border Patrol, part of customs and border protection within the DHS framework according to the report. Military.com reached out to DHS and CBP with questions about the program including what financial data the teams review whether the agency seeks a warrant before accessing Americans find an angel records whether a person must be suspected of a specific crime before a stop and whether the financial data of service members, veterans or their families

1:49:20can be swept into the annual analysis. That's how he justified writing this piece for military.com. Defending his unit. Well, I don't think he's, I don't think he's, it doesn't sound like they're very much a fan of it. Military.com is like, reach out for comment. Really, hey, what do you mean you can just access our financial data with no warrant? Explain that please. And that's how, I mean, if you were, if you were, if you were support of it, it's supportive of it. I don't think you'd even ask that question. You just let it slide. Well, essentially, I mean, if you're supportive of it, you're going to have the data back you up, right? Poor people commit more crimes than wealthy people. Sure. So if you're, you know, if there's someone rolling through your jurisdiction, you want to like find out if there are risk for committing a crime, you know, yeah, this gets into the pre-crime territory. You're right. I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm just saying they'll have a justification. Well, we're just going to go back to the days of when you are traveling like across the country,

1:50:22and your cars are so little beat up, you're going to get pulled over in every county and they're going to be like, what are you doing in my town, boy? DWP. Trump and airport. The US Board of Patrol utilizes intelligence informed and analysis to enhance national security, optimize resource allocation and identify threats to public safety. A CBP spokesperson told military.com, a key component of this effort is the predictive intelligence targeting team PITT within the Board of Patrol, which monitors indicators of potential smuggling and other criminal activity. Utilation of predictive intelligence is not unique to the Board of Patrol. It's used by other law enforcement organizations too. I mean, I watched the old documentary never get busted, and it seems like the highest likelihood of smuggling, at least drugs, is everything is in perfect working order and nothing is out of place and you're going to speed limit. Right. Yeah.

1:51:23Those guys can give you zero reason to get pulled over, which is more likely that they're carrying something weird. If you're doing like two over the speed limit, you're probably okay, because like this drug smuggler is not going to do that. Yeah, I had a, I had a neighbor that was a professional drug smuggler for quite some time and he explained it to me exactly that way that if you, if you were, if you look straight and you're just doing exactly the speed limit in your car is perfect and everything, you're getting it pulled over and targeted. If you are going like a few over and you're just macking on a cheeseburger and you look over at that cop straight in the eye and you just act like you don't have a care in the world, he's going to leave you alone. And uh, but the cops will also find a reason, right? Like if they suspect you like, ah, you, you failed to maintain a lane, you got like one wheel in the, over the line there. Well, that's the thing. If the cop wants to pull you over, he'll find a reason. Yeah. You can, it doesn't matter how perfectly you follow all the rules. They'll pull you over. Ah, but if they pull you over and you have, and you can prove you had not broken the rules,

1:52:25then everything that they find is thrown out. We're going to get into that. Fruit of the poison is tree. Um, so I'm not a felon. This spokesperson added that PITT operates in strict accordance with all applicable laws, privacy predictions and oversight mandates. It also addressed reports such as those from 404 saying that PITT's intelligence led functions are focused on securing the border and identifying high-risk threats. For operational security, we did not disclose specific analytical methods, targeting criteria or investigative techniques. They added public release of law enforcement, sensitive information, could compromise ongoing operations, jeopardize investigations, and create significant safety risks for our agents and the public. B.S. Two sectors investigated. 404 identified one team in the Spokane sector in Washington, which patrols the border with Canada and another in the Laredo sector in Texas along the border

1:53:29with Mexico. They lived in Spokane. Does it border Canada? Spokane? I mean, with it a hundred miles. Yeah, it's okay. A hundred miles. And it's like, what is it? Like a 300,000 people live there? I mean, I feel pretty big city. But I feel like there's all living in it. I don't feel like it's down far north. No, that's a no constitution zone. Okay. No, I mean, once you get from Spokane in the post falls, I mean, you're going through the panhandle Idaho and that's the skinny part, right? It's not very big right there at the top. I get you. I just feel like there were cities north of me when I was in Spokane that would have been more labeled the border town. Yeah. It's been a long time. I think it's just because it's the Metro, the closest Metro. Okay. I like his explanation better, where it's like within a hundred miles because they're, you know, I went there for college and there were people that, you know, three day weekend, they went to Canada to drink. Dependent on the circumstance and who you ask? It might be 200 miles. It might be 300 miles. It might be the entire country. I know the constitution free zone is 100 miles. I just,

1:54:33I don't think I would ever describe Spokane as a border town for Canada. Well, CPB would, CBP whatever. That's the only thing I'm objecting to. The T. Spokane on the border of Canada. The teams review financial records and other data and then pass leads to local law enforcement. The programs stated purposes to identify people who may have already committed crimes according to 404 media, but the outlet reported finding no instances of that happening. Instead, it reported that the program appears to generate pretext for police to stop and search people raising questions about whether the stops meet the legal standard of probable cause. One stop exposed the program. The program reportedly surfaced through the case of Kyle Olson, who was driving across Montana when he was pulled over. Interrogant to David Olson. I don't know. It doesn't say in this article. Weird. I'm not trying to summon him either. A Border Patrol targeting analyst named Matthew Phelps had

1:55:36flagged what a Homeland Security document described as financial activity patterns commonly associated with illicit narcotics activity and related to the Montana Highway Patrol. Okay. The outlet reported. So it's not that you're poor. They're looking at all your financial data to see if it matches their pattern for illicit activity. Or maybe if you're at risk, like maybe you're super deep in debt and you're just associated with those kind of people. And that would be like, oh, this guy might be offered. He might become a mewold because he's financially desperate in these circles. I mean, that's a job question on an HR question on a job application for some high positions as well. You're driving the security truck. Like the Brink truck. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. You can't be in debt. You can't be a gambler. You're going to steal our money. Troopers stopped Olson, citing that his license plate was

1:56:36obstructed. He was charged with driving out of the influence and later with possession with intent to distribute after marijuana was found in his vehicle in Montana. Yeah. And so I read legal in Montana. How much was he carrying? More than the legal amount if it's intent to distribute. Yep. The reason for the stop emerged during the discovery phase of his case when Olson received a DHS document explaining that Board of Patrol instigated it. He shared that document with 404 media, which is how the program and subsequent reporting came to light. What the government has said, a CBP spokesperson told 404 media that US Board of Patrol uses intelligence informed analysis and planning to support national security operations, allocate resources and help identify potential threats and bad actors to public safety. This would be a good case for jury nullification. Comes out and discover your like in the trial that Board of Patrol instigated it and told the

1:57:37cops that you were in, you know, some financial struggle. Yeah. To pull you over like that, that should raise alarms amongst normal people in a jury box. Yeah, you would think so. Maybe. Oh, maybe. I don't know. Yeah, but also Montan. It's like they don't let you into a jury box. I feel like Montana would be a freer place that would actually let you get away with stuff like well, I just I think it just depends on the jury. If they get a bunch of like, okay, anti-weed like old boomers. Okay. I think old school montannans. Yeah. Okay. Heritage Americans as they call them. Oh, is that the probably don't want none of that devil's lettuce around there. The agency declined declined to tell the outlet what financial activity it monitors or whether it had obtained the warrant before analyzing Olsen's records. Several liberties advocates have raised alarms. Jake Le Perrooke, deputy director of the security and surveillance project at the center for democracy and technology told 404 media that genuine probable cause cannot be

1:58:41synthetically generated. Adding that board of patrol appeared to be using parallel construction to conceal the real reason for its stops. Military.com reported last month that DHS had collected the DNA of some 3.3 million people including US citizens for an FBI database critics say this program could enable broad genetic policing. The findings build on a broader pattern of federal data collection that has drawn scrutiny a 2025 associated press investigation found board of patrol using automatic license plate readers as part of the same predictive policing effort. Cut them down. No, cop. I'm not sure. I'm pretty didn't some guy just get off of for cutting down flat cameras. Yeah. He wasn't a high or something. The jury just nullified. They were just like, yeah, he did it, but but they let him go. All right. So like it is possible. If so, man, cheers to that, jury. Sometimes they get it right. Mostly not. You know,

1:59:47now I'm pretty sure cops have something in their car now that basically equates to one of these license plate reader. I thought it started with the cop cars. Yeah. They had it like they were doing it first. Yeah, they've had them for a long time. Also like something they call a stinger device, which basically go into your phone and let them see anything in it. Yeah. Also read your credit cards and find out much in your bank account. How much cash you have in your pocket. All kinds of things that you wouldn't think they'd be able to see. They can just see it. Because they're doing it without a warrant. Yeah. And from their car. But then they but then they took it and put those things on the road. So cop doesn't need to be around at least at least when it was on the car, right? It had to be a cop viewing the data. Well, but and then it was like localized to that. I think part of the problem is that data is still is local to that precinct or like that police department. Right. Instead of going into a national database that can be accessed by right. All sorts of not just government entities, but third parties too.

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2:02:52Angelo and Richard Rich. I guess the hoodies were entered again. Those guys are tough aren't they? They gave me more of them. Give America quite a couple. I mean, the Saudis have just been bombing them for years. So I mean, yeah, they're still kicking. Didn't they just can't kill them? Didn't they basically be America just like a few years ago? That I don't know. Yeah, side note while we're talking it's not on this subject. So we'll get back to that. But like, there was I think I read a quote or something from Donald Trump where he basically admitted that Iran would be safer with a nuclear weapon. Did you see this? No big sir. Like if Iran already had a nuke, I'd be there like talking to the prime minister. We'd be having a discussion, but they don't. So we bombed them to hell. See, so they should absolutely be allowed to have a new right. So that's also what's going on in the area and I get back to the hoody stuff. Just thought of it real quick.

2:03:58This war in Iran is the biggest blunder. Trump has made so far. If you had a proper defense and didn't attack your neighbors, right? And you were able to like, you know, nuke them if needed. If they attacked you, like most of the other nations of, you know, first world nations of the world have makes for a lot more peace in the area. Yeah, they say mutually assured destruction is a fallacy and I just don't believe that. I know I believe in mad. I believe in the mad. Yeah, I'm with it 100%. Because it's like, well, at the end of the day, you can't rule rubble. If it's all about being in control of everyone, you can't rule nothing. You know, it's just not, you can't do it. So I don't think there will like the idea of nuclear apocalypse is just far fetched in my head because it's not no one wins. There's no winners in that outcome. A buddy of mine was like really scared of it during the Biden administration because it's like the left just don't care. Like, you know, they will rule the rubble.

2:04:58They're, they're that far gone mentally where they can't even think about the consequences of their actions. No, because the people, the left people at the top on the left still need poor people to do work for them. That goes away. They don't need them. You know, they need, you know, a couple hundred thousand. And that's it. Not it. I don't think there's any stopping them from absolutely eradicating 90% of the world population. It wouldn't be through nuke. So because you still need the, you'd still need like some people argue that nuke's don't even exist, but they could do it with TNT. Okay. I just don't think you'd still need like the logistics man. He still need to be able to get the iPhone made for the opulent like the elite. So you couldn't like destroy everything because you'd still need like a factory to build the chip and you need people to get the lithium out of the holes in Africa. And like, if the rich still want to have like their the decadent lifestyle that they've grown so accustomed to, they're going to need surfs to do it for them. They need to revive pencil. All that stuff has already been brought out of the ground. And like, all they have

2:06:03to do is walk around and pick up all the cell phones that the people they just eradicated and then repurpose them. You see what I'm saying? All how do they how they picking up the cell phones like through they're going to go pick through the rubble. Well, like the cities. If passports can survive towers fall and cell phones can survive a bombing as well. If you can believe that. Good old 911. Just saying like, oh yeah, that was Friday, 25 years. Yeah, 25 years. It was really just like, I mean, it was probably one of the most defining moments of my life, but I was a year old. So like it didn't really, you know what I mean? I don't have any. Yeah, but it changed the entire way the country functioned. I guess does that make sense? Like that was like a paradigm shift for the whole world. Yeah, but for you being one, everything that you grew up with was normal. That's fair. And that's that's the problem when the governments do stuff like that or move the goal post. Right. It's like the old timers who knew how good it was die out. The new generation,

2:07:09it's just normal. So there's no one left complaining about it. So when they make it a little bit worse, everybody's just like that. And then the old timers, you know, then the new kids are like the old timers, then they go back in my day. I remember when you didn't have to and the new kids like shout up grandpa. This is just the way it is. And they've moved the goal post even further. Yeah. That's the problem. That's the totalitarian tip to yes, they call it. It was normal for you. You don't know how good it was. So you don't know, you don't really know what you're missing because you didn't experience it. And that's not a bad thing. It happens to every generation. It's just, progressively gets worse as we allow government to continue doing what they're doing. It's like that one quote from the Simpsons. I think it's Homer's dad is like I was hip once and I was with it. But eventually they changed what it was. And then I wasn't cool. And it'll happen to you. That's the bad Iowa goes. We got a color on the land. So we're going to go to the phones. We got David in New Mexico. You're on free talk live. It's on your mind. She and it brought it up.

2:08:10It's my fault. F.U. Richie and the porcupine you wrote in on more on those quills feel so good. I'm a bum. It's like acupuncture all day long. So I Angelo, what do you mean they need like certs and minions? They already tried to commit the mass murder against you. Well, not tried. They succeeded. So what makes you think that they wouldn't just wipe you all out besides what the hell does it need you for when they got robotic? I just don't. I mean, there's still going to be people that need to work on the robots. Now they're self-replicating. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Why can't robots work on robot? Sure. Maybe at some point when we're self-replicating, they won't need us anymore. But for the time being, you still need human labor. That you know of. How do you know they're not already there? I think they would have. I think they probably would have tried it. It doesn't matter if there's a

2:09:14two-class society. I would allow you to know if they're already there. We've been in like a forecast system for like thousands of years. I get it. Rich people will have robots, right? And us pours will do work for each other. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. We can't afford the robots. Not will have robots. Rich people have robots. Okay. So let them have the robots and us pours will just do work for each other because we don't have it. There's no problem with self. Have robots kill richi. Problems out. For them? Yeah. Like if they don't need me. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Who would you think? Wait a minute. Is this a new thing that you do? Well, I'm just shutting you down before you shut me down, which is what you do anyway. So I'm just talking over you before you talk over me. Got it. So there. All right. Got it. Yeah. That's how we that's how we roll. Boy, I'm resisting this urge to say fat boy. I like that fat boy stuff. You like fat boys huh? Like guys that make sense. I like the part. I like the part coming to rear end. You know like deliverance. That explains the whole

2:10:17speedo picture. Love that. Love that. So anyway, let's get back to the serious. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I want to talk about the speedo picture. And you and you bone and do's in the bone. Wait a minute. What disease do you have that makes you turn your head and cough richi? What disease do I have that makes me turn my head and cough? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. You got you got some illness or something because that's not normal the way you cough. Oh, it's because my voice gets raspy and I don't want to cough into the microphone or get my spittle or the only one because the other ones aren't coughing. I know that's what I'm pointing at. I just told you my voice is parts and it gets raspy when I talk a lot. Well, nobody else is doing that. They're not exercising their vocal cords as much as I am. Yeah. If I had a glass of tea, you need to see a doctor. Oh, wait a minute. Don't see a doctor. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Don't see a doctor because maybe you'll die earlier.

2:11:19Maybe, but it won't be from the cough. I'm a cough. I don't, I try not to see doctors for that very reason. It could be long COVID, right? Like I've had a persistent but not, you know, cough for a long time, but it's exacerbated when I talk. That's why I also have a big old bottle of water that I sip on till lubricate my throat. David should know a lot about talk about lubricating your throat,locating your throat. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What does David use to lubricate his throat? Stay it again. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What does David use to lubricate his throat? Stay it again, Richie. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What is David used to lubricate his throat? I'm all of stone with this call. I drop them then. I don't care. Well, yeah. So why don't you shut Richie up for a minute. Let's get back to the serious points that actually are. You have the majority of this call. So you get to the point. Buzzie.

2:12:19I know you're just more. You're here more on Tuesday. And who's banging five homes will do it. Why don't I cough on to the microphone? Because I care about the guy who sits in this chair next week and I don't want them to have to deal with it. I don't know. To his point, I think sure they'll have robots. But I mean, maybe technology has just been on a track to where the human population will collapse because the only reason so many of us were around was to do manual labor. Yeah, but I feel like there was like a huge push to free all the slaves until we made machines that could do that amount of work for less, like less effort. Nobody was interested in like people being free until it was like, hey, we have a tractor. We don't need to have people do this by hand. We can have one guy do a whole field in the day. Do you not think there's going to be a sub economy of human beings still around that aren't rich enough to own robots that aren't going to pick up the slack for each other? Like, that's my point. I have a suspicion they've been working on a secret space program

2:13:21in order to get themselves off of this rock cosmonically. Even better. Once they get to that point, they don't care what the message that they've left or how many people die in the wake. They're out of here. Well, but whomever is left is going to rebuild. I mean, if nothing more, I think that's part of the human condition. Mm-hmm. You know? No, and I agree with that too. Like, we're not, I don't think we could get knocks back to like a pre-1800s like steam. Well, I mean, if you did, even if you did, like, you know, we'll just rebuild. Yeah. If you had to hunt and gather again, you would just hunt and gather again. Some will be built for it. Some will learn their way into it. Some will die off in the process. And if the elites like, you know, find a space shuttle off the planet, you know, in several generations, they'll be a new elite that have taken their place because humans also aren't equal. Yeah. Good point. I mean, unless they're, you know, trying to get off the rock because the planet is scheduled for total destruction.

2:14:22The aliens are coming. We're going to put it in a space highway. If you're scheduled for total destruction, like, not my problem anymore. Right. I don't want to worry about that. If it's really going to be over over, then not really a big issue. The sun's going to burn out in 30 billion years. Yeah. What should we do about it? Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe if they knew that it was 30 years, and the sun was going to burn out. What are we going to do about it? Yeah. Yolo. You're going to do the same stuff because you still want to live until next week. That's why people go to work. You don't get paid. You go to work. You don't get paid for like week or two weeks or a month, depending on your setup or where you live. Right. So like, you do the work and then you get paid. But if you yoloed everything, you wouldn't go to work. Because who knows if I'm going to be around with that paycheck hits. It's just dumb. So 30 years, you know, you know, that's a lot of paychecks. A lot of paychecks. Yeah. You tell me you got like a month or two left to live. And I'm going to quit my job and have fun. And I'm going to be screwed if I outlive the two months.

2:15:22Yeah. Because then I'll be broke, no savings, and I have to start over again. Yeah, I don't know. If it, I don't know if markets would even survive. I kind of a news. 30 years to the end of the world. The markets, is that what you said? Yeah. People might, enough people might jump ship early and quit their jobs that there's just nothing to buy. Or you don't want to need like no. No. The markets might get so skewed. You can't even find a valuation on anything anymore. Well, maybe for certain products at some level. Right. But like how many products, how many products are scheduled to last for 30 years to begin with? Right. How many companies going to business going, oh, we're not going to turn a profit for 30 years. Right. As you approach that date, right. Come and just go like, well, we're not going to be profitable for five years. We're going to have four years left on the earth. We're not going to do this thing. Mm-hmm. But like everything else, we'll still be around. They'll just reevaluate. Yeah. So. I'm not buying a new car five years from the end of the world.

2:16:23Yeah. 30 years from the end of the road. I'll go through like two or three used new cars maybe. So you got to keep producing them. Because you want to live, because the car manufacturer wants to live comfortably for that 30 years. It doesn't want to be hunting and gathering the last remaining 30 years of their life. Well, you think they would make it illegal to have kids in that amount of time? No. How could they stop you? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, we're like four sterilizations. No, you shoot the guy who's going to force sterilize you. Sure. Sure. Oh, what are they going to do? Sanctuary for 35 years? Try implement. Try to implement. Not saying they'd be successful. Well, I can see people be like, well, if there's only 30 years left, no kids. Because like, why would why would you? Well, because 30 years is a long time to live, man. Sure. So if you're on year zero and you go like, well, you only got like 30 years left to live. So then it's like the 30 next year. I'm going to cut it off at some point and be like, okay, 15 years left, no more kids. Maybe.

2:17:24Or people will go like, yeah, it's not worth it. Right? I'm going to enjoy the last 15 years of my life, not raise an A-hole teenager. Yeah, what are you going to do? I have to die right when your daughter's like, I hate you, dad. You brought out the world, man. So that's your final note and stealing with the... But then 10 years left to go. Oh, dad, he's still still going to love daddy and she's not going to have a boyfriend. So like, we'll ride that out. 10 years left to go. I'm not sure that much of a wall. I'm not sure that much of a wall. That's a standing waist. Does that count as abandoning your kids? Like having them at 10 and letting the world end? Haha. Uh. Just got to keep her away from her uncle for five more years. That's crazy. Did we even get into what the hoodies did? No. This article is short. It's derailed by David Olsen and... We get from New America. We could probably get through this. This is from the independent, updated five hours ago. Iran, US war latest, Houthi's claim, drone attack on Saudi base as military advance in Yemen intensifies.

2:18:27The US military, which has previously struck Iranian vessels in the region, did not issue an immediate statement. Yemen's Houthi rebels. You know, they... They call them rebels because they're not the... They haven't heard the war. Working with them. They win. They'll be patriots for now. They're rebels. Right. Yemen's Houthi rebels. It sounds like they've won. Like we'll get into this. I mean, this is a battle. I feel like this is a battle. I think they won a battle. No, they took the one port in and out of Saudi Arabia. They've controlled every city in the country for like years. Like the Yemenis were publicing in the past. I mean, they've been in the past. I mean, they've been in the past. I mean, they've been in the past. I mean, they've been in the past. I mean, they've been in the past. Like the Yemeni's Republican guard, or whoever claims to be in charge, isn't really in charge of anything. So who's won? By the Houthis. Okay. I'll just say we just don't recognize that the Houthis have won because we don't agree with them. Okay. All right. But they're functionally in charge of the country. All right. The unfortunate thing in this case then is once they're like

2:19:27recognized by the international tribunal as the government of that area, then they've officially won. Yes. Okay. Yemen's Houthi rebels claimed on sonate who have struck facilities at a military base in Saudi Arabia as the burgeoning conflict threatened to throw the region back into chaos. Houthi spokesperson Yaya Saris said that the Iran-backed group had targeted weapons depots in command and control centers at the southern Shah-Roo Ra'a base. Saris claimed that a joint ballistic missile and drone attack hit its targets and warned of wider measures if the Saudi attacks on Yemen continue. The escalation follows a lightning-houthi advance to the Red Sea coast this week giving the group greater power to attack Saudi ships around the Bob Allman-Deb straight. It's close. Oil hovered around $100 per US barrel on Sunday amid growing fears the clashes could drag in the U.S.

2:20:30to help its ally in Riyadh, prolonging the six-month conflict with Iran to the east. Didn't Trump say no? I felt like they reached out and asked for assistance and Trump was like, yeah, I'm not staying out of this one. Not a third. And not a 30% approval rating. Right. Right before the midterms, and I'm already in this Iran-Buntoggle, forget it. Separately, a crew member was killed early on Sunday when an Iranian commercial ship was attacked near the Strait of Hormuz, according to Iranian media. There's been no statement so far from the U.S. military, which has previously struck Iranian vessels to enforce its blockade of the country's ports. Um, alright. There's, man, this war is, um, it's a great example of... Fulery in the media, where they can just like say a whole bunch of conflicting things and then never, never clarify any of it. The fog of war is what they would call that. Well, I mean, it's the fog of war, but it's propaganda.

2:21:32But it's identical, identifiable, what has actually taken place, right? Like, uh, American... American vessels, military vessels were fired on by Iran, which is within the rules of war, and America didn't like that, so they shot some oil tankers, which is not within the rules of war. Also, America keeps doing things like blowing up civilian infrastructure and desalination plans and... And, uh... I know it's easy to tie this in. Iran keeps going after military bases. Yeah. It's easy to tie this in with the United States' Iran conflict, because it's there, and that's, you know, we're in America. But like, I feel like this type of aggression would have likely taken place without American interference in that area. Is that... Am I off base on that? I... I feel the conflict, you know, goes beyond just the recent conflict.

2:22:32No, I mean, the U.T. sir, I'm making back. So, there incentivize my take on it, is they'd be incentivized to also control the other straight in conjunction with the Iranians. But the only reason that's taking places because the United States interfered. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Okay. No, we totally started this. No denying that. Right. Yeah, we went over there and started bombing them. But the Houthis existed prior to the Americans bombing. Sure. Right. So, you know, they're using this as an excuse to make their advance, whereas they might not have been able to before. But I mean, it's not like they were... It's not like they weren't trying to get into power prior to the American interference. Like, this is my piece. Yes. Okay. But I mean, such as the nature of like proxy wars. Eventually, they expand. Yeah. So, I mean, if you quagmire in them long enough. Yeah. I mean, the Ukraine war is still thin, right? And they're trying to get Europe involved. And Putin's like, well, if Europe gets involved, I might attack Europe. So, don't do it.

2:23:32Don't do it. It sounds like the early 1990s is when the Houthis became a thing. And I'm pretty sure America was bombing and causing problems in Yemen prior to that. Okay. So... Fair. But in the context of the recent aggression that we're all familiar with, though. I guess if you want to put it into a small timeframe window and just look at that, but... But I think all of the problems over there are directly the result of Western imperialist... That's fair. ...polices and other actions. It's not just America. You know, Britain has been big in order. Sure. ...and stuff for a long time, too. Iran could be in conflict with Saudi Arabia just because. And it doesn't have to have anything to do with the United States or Western aggression. Could be. Okay. No, I don't think so, because the Saudis are backed by the US. Like, we give them the missiles to launch at Yemen.

2:24:33Yeah, that's... Saudi, the Saudis would be sending the missiles if they didn't have them, and we give them to them. So, the Saudis and Iran could be at peace without American interference. Yeah, probably. Okay. I think more at peace than they are right now. All right. Yeah, I'm no Scott Horton, but that's the way it seems to me. That would be a good source. We're going to talk about this and pull up some anti-war stuff on it. Man, that guy is knowledgeable about the Middle East wars and who did what when... Right. We're going to talk about like a thousand year history of how we got here, like six hours Scott Horton podcast. Yep. Yeah, I love that guy's podcast. He's... Yeah. Podcast interview. Mm-hmm. Someone had a problem with him online. I don't remember who it was. He doesn't know anything. Just makes stuff up. I'm like, really? We're really going to attack... You really think you're going to win like the publicity battle against Scott Horton on matters of international war? Yeah, he's farting knowledgeable, I think,

2:25:36for anybody to win that battle again. Bold move, Cotton. I forgot who it was. But basically, like one of the guys is, you know, big state planner wasn't even able to handle the mind of Scott Horton on these particular topics. Yeah. Because he's just done his research better than everyone else. Yeah. He's got expertise in like very specific areas and just stay in your lane. Mm-hmm. Don't even try it. You know, well, I'm not exactly cheering for the Houthis, but, uh... I don't know. They're an impressive group. They seem to get stuff done. More. Yeah. More than you could say. You could be a roach like. You just can't get rid of them. Get rid of them for 20 years and give it back to them after 20 years. Yeah. Tell them about 2.0. Mm-hmm. Indeed. Well, this has been Free Talk Live and we'll be back

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