Front Office TURMOIL: Eagles Lose Jenga Pieces Alec Halaby, Bryce Johnston | PHLY Eagles Podcast

0:00Oh, everybody and welcome to the G.H.O.I. Eagles podcast on a Tuesday afternoon. Bow Wolf, E.J. Smith live from the experienced studio and presented by Ashley, coming up your way with a big ol' show. I do need you. I'm doing great. We do. We have a packed show. We got a lot of topics, a lot of good insight. So yeah, I am very excited for today's show. All right. We got a lot to get to. Let's start, my friend, with the Wawa Wednesday and the big deal because we'll focus on the on field stuff first. We're going to get to what's going on with the Eagles front office. We're going to talk about an impressive class of undrafted free agents for the Eagles. Maybe Storkrank. They're likely to make it a team. And then we're going to be joined by the NFL's international scout who has some really interesting insight on who are Bernard and Joshua Weirou.

1:02Mark Delgarian, the international scout. That guy. Great. That was what a life he has. I mean, I'm sure it is hectic, but what a great, what a crazy job, so be fun to hear from him. But we begin with the Eagles picking up to 50 options, E.J. On Nolan Smith and Jalen Carter, what do you make of the decision? Yeah, it's not an entirely surprising decision on either front. This gives the Eagles both of the, you know, both of those guys are under contract through 2027 now. The number that Jalen Carter is at is a pretty significant one. It's a north of 30 million dollars for that 2027 season. So again, it doesn't surprise me that they picked up the fifth year option. I think, you know, reading between the lines, like this means that the Jalen Carter extension is not imminent. You know, if they, if they had something that was, they'd expect to happen in the, in the very short, in the short term, yeah, you would have expected them to work the fifth year option into that extension. So, but with that said, I still wouldn't be surprised at all if they, they, they signed Jalen Carter, especially long term after the fifth year option.

2:02They still have that optionality. With Nolan Smith, I think it probably would take a resurgent 2026 season before they'd probably come to the negotiating table for an extension with him. But yeah, I think the move made a lot of sense. It's one that I wasn't surprised by when I saw it after the show yesterday. Yeah. I think the Carter one, only a, not a surprise, but only notable, as you said, and then this was not a situation where the first day they could, they signed them to a long-term contract. Yeah. Like the Devonte Smith scenario, do you, what, what do you make of that? Yeah. I guess it's just tough to get a deal with Rosenhaus or do you think it, there is some hesitation on the Eagles part of committing long term Jalen Carter? I mean, I think we've, we've talked all along about this not being a straightforward decision with Jalen Carter. And further, I could, it's north of 27 million in 2027, I should clarify. I do think it is a little bit more of a complicated decision. The fact that it hasn't happened right away at the first opportunity speaks to that, you know, the Eagles are typically a team that's very proactive about getting these extensions done.

3:02It probably is a little bit of the June Rosenhaus tax, you know, you're not going to get a team-friendly deal when you're dealing with an agent of that prominence, but I still would be surprised if the Eagles don't make an effort to, to extend Jalen Carter at some point. Let's call it the next 12 months, especially because at this point, he is going to have a big cap number in 2027 that I'm sure they would like to, to spread out over the course of a long term. I'm calling me. I can't answer right now. Brutal. I mean, we've, we've got a lot of irons in the fire. We've got a lot of guests. We're trying to line up. Couldn't land one now. He's never called. It's brutal. But yeah, I would say that with Jalen Carter, it would still surprise me if they don't work out something long term. I think the fact that it hasn't happened yet does speak to the fact that this isn't a straightforward decision. It's a, it's a big contract that you would be paying Jalen Carter. And I think that there are enough question marks about if you're ready to do like a five or a six year extension, but they got like that. And then how about Nolan Smith, any surprise at all that they, that they picked up his

4:03fifth year option? I'm not surprised they picked up the option. So he is due a little over 13 million in 2027 because of the fifth year option. That's more palatable. It's more, it's more of a, you know, it's a more manageable number considering the positional value that there is an edger usher. You know, 13 million for a fringe starter edger, starting caliber edger usher is not a bad deal. So for that reason, I'm not surprised they picked it up. I still think it would surprise me if they extended Nolan Smith this off season though. And for that reason, yeah, I think it will, would take a 2026 where he looks more like he did in 2024 for him to get a long, a long term extension from a team could be like a Derek Barnett type of situation where you're just going to let him play out his first, his first contract and you feel okay about that. The value you get out of five seasons from a player like Nolan Smith. Uh-huh. Sorry. Let me just, let me just copy this. Quick little, still, you know, we're juggling some things, no big deal.

5:03You know, I'll, I'll ask the chat a question while you're certainly things out here. Yeah. One of the topics of conversation in the auditorium at the Eagles facility before press conferences recently has been whether or, whether or not Derek Barnett was a success as a first round pick. I talked about it on the show. Like we feel like he was a success story, like not a success story. I think he is like the medium, medium range outcome for a first round. Yeah. He wasn't a bust. He didn't, you know, really hit his full ceiling as a player. I think, you know, I think you live with that outcome. If you're drafting a player at that range in the first round. I agree. Yeah. Nolan Smith, what do you think of the comparison between Nolan Smith and Derek Barnett? Uh, I think that's, I think that's a fair comparison. Yeah. He's, there's still time for Nolan Smith to ascend beyond that. But I think right now, if you ask me, I know Nolan Smith got a proof he can stay healthy. Right. Yeah. And I guess with Barnett, it was really just about play. It wasn't quite as much about the, the health. I think that's fair. All right. The Eagles taking care of business, picking up those 50 or options.

6:04No huge surprise, but you need to know about it. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that's a good deal for some to buy wallet. Alrighty, Jay. Uh, I don't know if I can remember, this is going to, I, you know what, I'm already going down a path that I don't really like here. Yeah. Because it's going to sound flexy. But like, flexy. Yeah. Uh, more people who I know around the league have been in contact about the last 24 hours for the Eagles front office. That is a little flexy. Then anything I can remember. Yes. Yeah. And that, of course, began with Bryce Johnson announcing that he's going to the Atlanta Falcons yesterday, joining Jeff Scott, who left earlier in the off season, also Ian cutting him, uh, the, the touchpoint there. And then today, the news at Alec Haliby, the assistant GM, who has been with the team for 17 years is leaving the team as well.

7:06Um, a pretty significant period of transition for the Eagles front office. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, you can look at this one, a multi, a multitude of ways. I think the Eagles are never really surprised by people leaving the front office, especially for promotions in Johnson's case and Jeff Scott's case beforehand. Um, but at the same time, there's not, there was really no way to sugar code it. Like you said, we've heard a lot from people in the building. These are significant losses. You know, Alec Haliby had been with the team for 17 years. He started as an intern. Um, and I know that he can be a little bit of like a lightning rod for the outside world because he did have like a period where he was very much, you know, in the, the Eagles zeitgeist for his role in the organization, but he was one of the most respected people in that organization. He was mentored by how he rose and I think, um, you know, in the times that we've had opportunities to talk to him about draft prospects, um, or, you know, just talk to him in general, you can tell that, uh, you know, he played an important role in the, in the front office. So, uh, you know, with Bryce Johnson, like, especially after losing Jake Rosenberg a few

8:10years ago, like, you know, this is a guy who is across all of the contract details over the last few years and a big part of their salary cap maneuvering. So significant losses, ones I'm sure that they expected to some degree, but still tough to replace those types of people. Yeah. I mean, this is one where I think you can both overstate and understate the importance of these things. Yeah. Because from a 10,000 foot view, you would think, okay, well, as long as, as long as you've got Jeffrey Larry as the owner and how he has the GM, they should be fine. And how he is, is always aggressive about restocking the front office, uh, whether that's with XGMs, like Joe Douglas, who was in, who was in the building or, you know, having gone to poach Andrew Berry's brother, Adam Berry, who's, who's now in the front office and I would think takes over some of, just fills into some of a Bryce, his responsibilities. Yeah. Um, but I also think you can like, really not fully understand how important both of those

9:10guys were. Yeah. Uh, and have been talking to people in the building, you know, uh, like, okay, let's say you get hired as a GM somewhere, however many years in the line, like, who would you want to bring with you? Like Bryce is the guy that, that, that people would, would mention like, yeah, day one, that's the person I would want. And then Alec is like, I mean, he has been in that building part of the secret sauce to what has made this the most successful franchise in the league, basically over the last decade, that entire time. Yeah. Um, and I mean, this is, this will sound catastrophizing, but you think about like, AJ Brown is leaving. Yeah. Uh, the offensive line is getting older. Alec Hallibes, like all of the, you're, you're pulling out little bricks from the foundation. Yeah. And it's just a reminder that the team will not be this consistently good forever.

10:11And it's possible that, you know, three years down the line, we look back at, at this offseason as the beginning of the end. That's, I don't want to, let me, let me, let me, uh, let me, uh, let me, let me, uh, let me, uh, let me, uh, let me, uh, let me, uh, let me, uh, let me, uh, let me, uh, let me balance it out. Well, first off, actually, before I balance it out, I want to say that a sentiment I heard earlier today is that Alec Hallibee was one of the most important members of the organization other than the people who play on Sundays, uh, like of the entire Eagles organization. I think how he rose in in Jeffrey Laurie, probably clear that bar, um, but the thing about Alec Hallibee that, uh, you know, from covering the team, I think maybe sometimes it gets, maybe just doesn't get understood as well as, uh, as well as the people inside would know is that like you, a few years ago, including reporting that you have done, um, so very excellently, I would say, um, no, you either get in or there is a good story. Um, Alec Hallibee has been known for being someone who like deals with the coaching staff and the front office and can, you know, I think that for the old school coaches that sometimes wasn't received well, you know, like an analytics driven, you know, person

11:14in the front office presenting things to them and explaining things. I also think the, the analytic focus of the, uh, Hallibee reputation is, is, is kind of old. It's similar to like what how he had to bend off. Yeah. A little bit differently because it wasn't analytics, but yeah, seven, eight years since that was like his main, his main job. But yeah. But I would just like to add for, you know, context sake here that like, I think the younger coaches, the, and members on this coaching staff really appreciate what Alec Hallibee brought to the table for them. Um, it wasn't, they were not dismissive or, you know, resistant to some of the forward thinking things that Alec Hallibee would present to the coaching staff. So this is a guy who had a lot of influence on the way the team was built, the roster in the front office, but also the coaching staff and how they viewed all of those things. So he was an important member of the, of the, the front office for sure to balance out what you said about the, um, like, you know, the, the bricks being pulled from the foundation. I mean, you've said it before on this show and I think it was, you've stated it very well. I'm going to keep giving you flowers here.

12:14Um, like the Eagles, especially Jeffrey Laurie and how you rose when they like to collect people. And because of that, there is always this churn that you have where they've got people in the, I would say, maybe the secondary, the second tier of the front office, you know, not necessarily the leadership tier, but people just, just beneath that who are probably ready for promotions and probably ready for bigger jobs. And honestly, if it's not for these types of departures, those people would probably leave anyway. You know, there are a lot of talent. I mean, I'm sure you hear just as often as I do about some of the talented people who have sort of, I mean, who had hit a ceiling because of who was above them. Um, and that is, it's a very human thing. Yeah. And that is also the going to be the structure of the Eagles front office as long as how he rose, rose and is there. And that is not a bad thing. You know, the fact that, you know, I remember a few years ago, the Eagles weren't giving out the assistant GM title and they kept losing people because of it. I mean, Ian Cunningham is building this staff in Atlanta that looks a lot like the Eagle Staff is an example of, um, just how many people they lost because they weren't using

13:15that title. Now they use that title, but they're still going to continuously lose talented people from that building just by the nature of these guys want GM jobs, you know, these people want GM jobs and it's not available for them in Philadelphia. I would also say as it pertains to Alec that, you know, he's had GM interviews several times over the past four or five years. I don't think it reflects very well on the NFL that, uh, and it's surprising that he hasn't gotten a job when you just think about like the, the copycat nature of things and how like, you know, uh, a Sean McVay staff gets rated a Kyle Shanahan staff gets rated. And yet everybody looks at the Eagles as having a model franchise, but from a GM standpoint, the only the football guys get plucked. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like Joe Douglas gets a GM job, not that he didn't deserve one. Sure. Um, you know, Brandon Brown gets pulled and the, and Cunningham gets pulled, that maybe

14:19that's unfair because Andrew Barry got a job, but yeah, but maybe I feel like, I feel like it's a little bit silly that Alec helped me didn't get a job, but that's, yeah, it's just my perspective. I would imagine, and I don't, I mean, I can't know for certain because I, I don't know what the decision-making was on the jobs that Alec applied for, but he, I would imagine he deals with a lot of the same things that how he dealt with, where it is hard to break the, the like traditional way of promoting GMs and he does not have a similar pathway toward that job to the people that often get those jobs, but I would agree with you. You're beginning at a place where not 32 of 32 owners would be interested in hiring you. Right. Yeah. Exactly. So, um, not, but I mean, he's obviously a very impressive guy. Um, it'll be interesting to see what happens next form. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see what the Eagles do from a, yeah, you know, replenishing the cupboard standpoint. Um,

15:19Yeah, my guess. I mean, maybe they, they go outside for some of these hires, but I do, I think they've got talented people in that building that, uh, could, could be due for these types of, uh, you know, promotions. So. Right. And this is also like, you know, I think we have even less insight into like Bryce Johnson pipeline. Yes. Yeah. That is, that's a tough one to find out. Yeah. Although, yeah. I mean, you're plugged in. You might know. Yeah. All these people around the league texting me. Yeah. Um, okay. Well, yeah. An interesting time for the Eagles, an interesting task for how he rose, let's take a quick break. Come back on the other side. We're going to talk Eagles undrafted free agents go through some of the interesting additions they've made. I think it looks like a pretty good class. Yes. Fun. Yeah. Um, and then make sure you stay tuned for the insight into our man who are Bernard and his teammate, Joshua, we rule. Bank is back and I mean, if the team's not going to win, maybe you can win at least because

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18:27So we're start ranking them? Sure. Okay. Now there's an in depth breakdown on all phy.com if you're a diehard by Fran Duffy about all of these eight guys you should check that out for now. I want to ask you let's do a let's do a three to one countdown. Okay. Okay. I want to say the person the undrafted creation we think is most likely to make the 53 a man roster. Well, that's that's okay. Okay. All right. Most likely to make the 53 man roster of the eight players have been at it. Portally the Eagles have not announced these signings yet. Are you ready? Yeah. All right. On the count of three. One, two, three. Rock, go. And you're right. Who is Rock? Oh, under what you ask. Rock, I wonder what is the long snapper. The Eagles signed from Florida. That's about all we know about them. He's a long snapper and he's the only long snapper on the Eagles roster.

19:29Did you see what friends making trade was for Rock. Oh, under what long snapping better be his long snapping. I really enjoyed that. I found underwood. Interesting name. Yeah, it's called them sack. I believe. Okay. What's interesting about his name? I'll let you get there. Let's move on. Yeah. Okay. Um, I don't know that we have tells to say about Rocca Wonderwood, but he enters camp with the real chance to make the roster. I mean, it's him against the rest of the league. It's because it's like he's like he's down there, right? Is that the the significance of the name? Again, I'll let you catch up. Um, now beyond Rocca Wonderwood. Yeah, can we do it? I have a guess as to who your your number two most likely player is. Yeah. Yeah. You probably know who it is. Is it Darwin? It's Darwin. Okay. Let's talk about Darwin. For those of you who are not here for these seven hour travel on Saturday, I'm not going to explain it. But Darwin is

20:34Ole Miss tight end dayquan right six four two forty six 23 years old played two years at Virginia Tech. Before the last two years at Ole Miss, uh, very productive. Yeah. More productive than Kenan Sedeek. Uh, did not test in free draft process. So you would take that as maybe not the world's best athlete. Um, but boy, you watch him. Real, yak juice. And I don't know how much of that is is just a result of the offense that Ole Miss was playing. But boy, he's he's exciting to watch. Yeah, I was surprised that he didn't test because when you watch him, yeah, he has some decent straight line speed, uh, you know, with the ball in his hands after the catch. And, you know, I was reading through France draft guide on him and he's a former basketball and a track athlete in high school. So, um, I think that shows up. He's really a fluid mover. Um, he's also kind of like, it's getting harder for me to defend how he rosman's like, we need a more diverse skill set in the room because like,

21:36this guy also seems like there's a lot of progress as a blockers and others signing that makes me remember that conversation with how he and he was lying about something else. Okay. Good to know. Um, but yeah, to me, he is exactly the type of undrafted for agent tight end that you usually, well, I guess you, you could bring in like a straight up inline blocker. But if you're trying to take a flyer on somebody with traits and athleticism to be a receiving tight end, I really like Dayquan, right? Um, you know, he was somebody, you know, as the day three viewers would, well, no, he was someone we thought the Eagles might end up drafting to get him as an undrafted free agent. I think it was a good, a good addition. Um, and he's going to be a fun guy to watch during training camp. Um, yeah, I think he's got a real shot. Yeah, to make the roster now. You think about the roster, how many could they take realistically for max, right? Yeah. So Goddard and obviously, Stowers are, are going to make the team. Johnny months making. Johnny months probably make me, he's gonna stay healthy. Um, and then so you know, it's it's Dayquan, right? Versus Grand Calcutta versus EJ Jenkins. But honestly, Cameron, a lot to versus everybody else.

22:39Well, Cameron, Cameron, two can sneak on as a fullback dayquan, right? Versus Grand Calcutta. You probably saw me on Dayquan, right? We'll see. We'll see what looks like in camp. Yeah, he looks like. I mean, yeah, you know, Calcutta is on a one-year deal. Right. Let's say he, there's at least some upside with him. Um, yeah, he's a fun player. I like him. I like Dayquan, right? I think he's gonna, I think he's got a real chance to make the team. Yeah. I was going to make him put him number one in my store cranking, not most likely to make the team because your boy, um, Lee Underwood is probably number one for Lee. I was a not Lee. Uh, no, Rocco. Rocco. Yeah. Rocco is a great name. Yeah. Rocco Grundel. I know what that means. Thank you, Lindsay. Um, all right. Who would be next on your list of most likely to make the team? I like Deontay Lawson from Alabama. Okay. I like Deontay Lawson too. He is the guy that I think most people would have expected to sneak into the, in today, three of the draft. He was friends, L linebacker 14, uh, Dan Berglers of the athletic linebacker 21.

23:40Yeah. He checks, he checks boxes for the Eagles that he's a former five star recruit. He was a green dot player for that, that the Alabama defense, a three year starter. Um, and he, to me, is like where, because, you know, most people would look at this profile and say like, this is not the type of player, EJ usually gravitates toward, but we've talked before with linebackers, like a lot of playing experience and instincts. Uh, you know, that, that a lot of times can win out over, uh, like just raw physical traits. And he is not someone. He's a blow average athlete, per friend. Um, but again, a player who's played a lot of football. I thought like as a Jeremiah Trotter type, like Jeremiah Trotter junior type, uh, I think he makes a lot of sense. Yeah. And this is precisely the type of undrafted, free agent profile that sticks around, you know, a linebacker who's not a great athlete, but has a lot of experience and good instincts. I mean, it sounds like TJ Edwards, right? Yeah. I, yeah. I'm always worried. I like just like, I was surprised how he did the read by Kinship comp for, of course, he's throwing that on. Yeah. But, you know, that is

24:40the, that is the archetype. That's the bucket that he would be in. The green dot, as you say, now he's got like, he's a little bit skinny, wasted. Right. Uh, so he's not, well, he's not a thumper. Yeah. necessarily. Uh, but there's absolutely a big opening for a linebacker to make this roster. Yeah. Uh, you've got, uh, Bonn and Jihad Campbell, Jeremiah Trotter junior in Smile Mountain. And that's it. Yeah. That fifth spot. So now the thing is the wide open opportunity. If he's not a great athlete, is he solid on special teams? Well, it would be the notable that that despite being a starter and the green dot player, he was playing kickoff coverage punk coverage as a senior this year. Yeah. Um, so a guy who embraces that role. Yeah. I mean, he's been at the center of a, uh, very prominent defense at the very least and oftentimes a very talented and productive defense. So I like him. I think he probably is there. Probably their biggest name free agent signing, um, undrafted free agent signing. I mean,

25:41yeah, Darwish too. But I think that I would, I, I think I would say that he's got a better chance to make the team into our wish just because of the current. It's an easier pathway place. Yeah. Of the roster. He's gotten easier time to make the rest of the chance to both make it. I do too. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Uh, who would you like to talk about next? Um, I like Jaden Roberts from Alabama. That's the, it's a good one. And this is where, this is where I think how he was also lying because movement skills. He was taught, we talked about like, you know, is in this offense, is there any change to the way you evaluate offensive line or anything you want? And he said, not really push, come to shove. Maybe we would want a little bit more athletic ability. And then they draft Michael Morris. Who, I mean, he is a good athlete, but he's a big hulk and guy as a guard and then signed Jaden Roberts. And those are the only two guys, the only two bodies they brought in on the interior happens of line. Jaden Roberts, six, five, three, 45, he is a monster of a man, uh, 23 years old. The technique, I think reports are,

26:43leave a little bit to be desired. There's a reason that he lost his starting job. Yeah. As a senior this year. Uh, so three years of starting sometime, full time starter, his junior year, but only four starts this year, kind of five, two, six, 40. Um, this, I mean, this is a, like, this is like a one cast deal type guard. Yeah. Now, do you want me to explain why the future might be bright? Ah, I like Jaden Roberts. Please. Presented by our friends at Shady Rays. Thank you very much. Um, the thing I like about Jaden Roberts, I hear what you're saying. It's also hilarious that how he rose from all these like massive offensive tackle prospects. It's like, do you want like any athletes on this, um, yeah, they sent you exactly. But I mean, this is a guy who is on Bruce Feldman's freaks list. He is six, four, three, 33, like, yes, I, but these are the types of offensive line prospects. I, I think make a lot of sense. Now in a post Jeff Soutland world, there's more questions about a guy like this, but you can't teach somebody to be six, four,

27:44three hundred and thirty three pounds with real, real, real explosiveness. So, uh, to me, the techniques, the technique side of it, that's like, that's what the coaches are there for. So, to me, I still will be very interested. So this is a one to one competition between him and Micah Morris. Yeah, I think that's fair. Um, I mean, yeah, it's hard to envision both of them being on the roster. Yeah. But I could see both of them sticking around and maybe it is, maybe he's like an interior offensive line version of like a Cameron Williams or a Holland Pierce for its physical traits. Keep bringing them, let them hang around the building and see if in a year or two's time, he has some of those technical deficiencies ironed out to take advantage of his place, his size and what what he should have in terms of play strength. He has only played right guard and Alabama. He's the question about whether he can flex to the other side, but something to follow and camp. Yeah. All right. Denny Eagles sign three safeties. You're going to love and you love one of them. I know three different guy, old Mrs. Capena, the chicken, Washington States,

28:47Tucker large. What is that so funny? I mean, Tucker large is kind of a funny name. Okay. Keep going. Wafers Maximus Pully. I mean, you want to talk about a collection of names. Maximus Pully. Maximus Pully. Tucker large. A refraction period on that guy. Whew. That guy can just keep going all day long. No, all of these phrases. I think the most interesting of the three, I've used urban dictionary more in the last eight months that I have in my entire life with you, man. I think the most interesting is the chicken. Yeah. He's fun. Yeah. He's a player is very small at 510 189 and is a 24 year old as a rookie, but he is an amazing athlete. 433 40 R dash. Awesome. Vertical jumps. Two and a half year starter started at community college and two years of Washington state. The last year at Ole Miss from Hawaii. Cool. If I tell you that he is small and

29:54rocked up and super fast, you can sort of picture exactly the kind of player he is. As some nickel flex, I think Fran wrote that like the coverage instincts leave a little bit to be desired, but kind of has the makings of maybe a game day elevation to help you out on special teams. I was about to say this guy, he has special teams demon written all over him. Now he's smaller. You have to make sure you can hold up against NFL athletes in terms of the physicality, but he kind of like this is a weird comp to pull here and I just did a Sydney Brown comp to some other Eli Stowers. So I don't want to overdo it, but he is kind of like a miniature version of Sydney Brown. And for that reason, I hope that the Eagles view him as a slot corner instead of a safety because I think, I mean, just from the sheer, from the Sydney Brown experience, it's like it's hard to piece together all of the attributes you need to be a deep safety if you haven't played there and you are like a seaball, get ball, aggressive type player. But yeah, I think he, the thing I like about him is I think he will have multiple bites at the apple because I think he has real

30:55special teams value. Yeah, he'll be a fun one to watch. Tucker large from Washington state 510 189 did not test the pre draft process. So you wonder about that started his career played for a while at South Dakota state. And then goes to one year at Washington state and it is voted a captain. So it tells you a little bit of something. Not a lot, not a lot of highlights available. Yeah, I could not watch him. So I was mostly just going off of the bio. I mean, we'll see could one of these guys be a another read blank and ship comparison player, somebody who just kind of wowed you in training camp. It's possible. So that's a, I think that's his. Francesca scenario coverage instincts are the potential make a trade. He's got he's got probably the best instincts of the three. Yeah, might be leaving the most to be desired as an as an athlete. And then Maximus pulley. As you would expect, very aggressive. Downhill aggressiveness. Frances could be his trade start his career at Western Kentucky before going to wafered 511197. So

32:01he's a little bit heftier. I don't know. I'm a little bit interested because they've now got in theory seven safeties. Yeah, right. With McCuba, Epps, Michael Carter, Holwis Newske, and the three guys they signed. Yeah, I wonder. There's four then because there's JT Gray as well. JT Gray. So I wonder if pulley is someone that they maybe will try to convert to a linebacker. Okay, I was worried that was going off the rails here. Possibly, it's funny. Fran called hit or compared him to Sydney Brown as well, a less explosive Sydney Brown. So you're saying this is a Nate Gary type experiment? I think if I had to pick one, it would be him. Okay. Yeah, maybe. I mean, or they're just hoping that he is that special teams contributor. I think it makes sense to bring in a bunch of undrafted safeties. Absolutely. I mean, just to see if any of them can do the read blank and ship over again. I know that we keep throwing that around, but yeah, I think that it made sense. All right. That'll do it for the futures

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36:13here. And that is Mark Delgarian from the NFL's international pathway program. And we think about this like, oh, the NFL is this multi billion dollar company. They can scour the entire world for for, you know, talented players. When really it's it's kind of like it's almost just you, is that right? I'm not just you, but yeah, no, I'm head scout for the program. And you know, we obviously have a support staff. But in terms of, you know, by title, I am the only scout for the IPPS. All right. So this is this is very exciting. We can get some some great information on two of the the most exciting new Eagles who are Bernard, the seventh round pick and also Joshua Weirou with the Eagles signed as an undrafted for agent. And I believe you said about UR that he is unlike any athlete you've ever seen or been around. So take us through how he was discovered. And what is it that stands out so much about him as an athlete? Yeah, I mean, UR, you know, I think when they

37:18when the NFL first created the IPP program back in 2018, you know, UR is the type of athlete that we had in mind. There's eight million people in the world, you know, not all the best athletes suited to play football are coming from North America. They're they're based everywhere. So yeah, I mean, he's he's from Nigeria, you know, he was playing club basketball and, you know, powerlifting, you know, over the last few years. And, you know, someone a couple of years ago, one of his basketball coaches heard about NFL Africa, you know, being being in town and they suggested he try out. And so he'd actually attended a couple of the NFL Africa events. And he was too young for the IPP at the time this year. He was old enough for the IPP. We couldn't wait to have him. And yeah, since since the moment he walked through the door, I mean, he listened. He's first team, maybe Hall of Fame off the bus guy. Okay. You know, enough enough of those pictures have gone around the internet kind of kind of see that. But, but even in the 10 to 12 weeks that he was

38:24a part of the program, he's developed physically, if you can even believe it, you know, and I think there's still more upside there. And then obviously all the other development as well. So he's he's really come a long way in just the 10 to 12 short weeks. He's he's been with us. Now you mentioned off the bus, the impression that he makes. And I can imagine that's a big part of the evaluation. But what types of things are these guys doing and what what is like maybe what was the drill where he went through where he realized like he has the explosiveness and the movement skills to go with that that off the bus nature of just the way that he looks, I guess. Yeah. So, you know, he you see him right away and you're like, all right, he looks like a football player. He's a grown man, you know, 20, 21 years old, only first song. And he's already a grown man. And then you see him run around. And, you know, it's little things like how does he open up his stride? What kind of birth comes out of his breaks and his cuts and and it's easy explosion. You can see the easy lower body explosion. And he's just a free. And what we look for the IPP are the elite heightweight

39:27speed guys. You know, that's those are the first boxes that we have to check. Just because these guys are going to be so reliant on their physical ability because they're making up they need to make up so much ground compared to their peers in the NFL who have been playing football since they're five years old. So IPP guys have to have a physical advantage. And so just the explosive nature in which he moves is evident right away. So how does it begin at the start of, okay, this guy is we think an NFL caliber athlete. And as you said, has those advantages? How do we even decide what position to put him at and drill him there? How do you how do you make that decision for a guy who's six five three oh six and has these insane, you know, speed and testing results? Yeah. Well, number one, you want to get you want to find a great athlete. You want to find him in the athlete. And he kind of just go from there. So sometimes it takes us a couple of weeks into the IPP program to kind of figure out where what is coming most natural to him on that field.

40:31You know, how how is he picking up certain concepts? How is he getting in and out of certain movements taking the certain coaching? So, you know, like I at first, I'm like, you know, maybe he's an offensive lineman. Now, I will say that historically, IPP guys, they've it's been an easier transition to defense the defensive side of the ball. You know, not to not to play down the defensive line, but there there is less to learn and get to see ball get ball versus, you know, offensive line and working in unison and all sorts of things. So, we just felt the most natural position for him would be on the defensive line. In my opinion, you know, I see him on the interior, on the interior, but he does have the athletic ability to move around a bit as time goes on and he learns the game. Now, the research I did before we have John here is that you spent 10 weeks with him in Florida during the IPP program, that process. I mentioned like, you know, having that up close

41:35view of his his progress, but I guess what's his personality like, you know, like I'm sure a lot of Eagles fans are curious. What's he like behind the scenes? What kind of stories can you tell us? Yeah, yeah. So, when I first met him, he's very quiet off the field. He's very, very quiet, very humble, you know, almost almost painfully shy, but he's got, you know, once he opens up, he's got this great smile, he's funny, man, he's actually really funny, and he really opens up. Once you get to know him a little bit, after talking with him with a few minutes, you really start to see the personality and he opens up, but what really was surprising, especially given how quiet he is at first, when he's his sanctuary is the weight room, if you couldn't tell. And also just in competitive situations, he has a switch, you know, the staff at X3, our guys were training at X3 Performance in Florida for 10 weeks. The staff there, they also train

42:39the combine players, NFL combine players. I mean, he would, in his, he would get so loud and so intense in his lifting and just firing everybody up in the room, in the gym, you know, the staff would would come to us and say, man, this guy, we love this guy's energy, he brings us place the life. So, I think that's kind of a hidden, I don't know, hidden secret that, you know, the Eagles are getting in the type of energy that he brings in competitive situations. So Eagles fans are generally familiar with the IPP, thanks in large part to Jordan Milata and him having gone through that as well. Are you, are you surprised that this is, maybe I'm framing this wrong, but are you surprised that the league let the Eagles get in? Well, I can say, I can say that there were a number of teams very interested in an UR and the Eagles, you know, they did a

43:41ton of work on them, you know, I was very impressed with, you know, the amount of, you know, the amount of conversations that we had with them, they were just digging and digging and making sure that they were going to be the right fit. I know that Clint Hurt, defensive line coach for the Eagles, he had a great workout with UR and they really connected, you know, out of next three. And, you know, the Eagles, they had a plan for them and for us, you know, from our side, like, you know, we want to make sure as much as possible that we're informing our guys with enough information to make a good decision on where they want to go if they make it as a PFA or, you know, if they get adopted. We want them to land in a place that has a plan for them and, you know, that's what they're all going to require and the Eagles have that infrastructure in place. And it sounded to us like they had a very clear vision for what they want to do with them. Now, I know that Jordan Milata and UR have already been in contact even in the pre-draft process. I imagine that Jordan Milata for you can probably be like a lofty bar for a lot of these guys,

44:43but what's your relationship with, like, with Jordan and what can you tell us about, I guess, the contact that UR and Jordan had before the draft? Yeah, Jordan's great, man. He actually joined us for about a week down in Florida. You know, we even had a beach day, you know, Jordan, such a personality. And, you know, I told Jordan, man, he's used vital and critical in, you know, to develop them of our guys and sharing his perspective, but also bringing the energy that he brings, but also keeping it real with the guys. Like, hey, man, like, this is what it takes. Like, we can be all friendly off the field and everything, but when it comes time to training, like, here's what it takes. Like, Jordan was actually working out with, you know, on the side, not with the guys, but, you know, on the side just kind of getting his workouts in. But, um, you know, he's, he obviously, Jordan, you know, loves the IPP and, you know, he's a great advocate for us and a great role model

45:44for all the guys coming through. And I know UR, you know, he had, he had some conversations with UR as well. And UR's goal is to be great. And so he, he's got everybody's brain on how he can be great. And so, Jordan was one of those guys. And I would imagine that that part of the experience that that Jordan relayed is that, I mean, we think of Jordan now, he's, he's this pro bowl tie air left tackle. I mean, it took him three, four years to get to like, playable. So, what do you sort of feel like is the road ahead for, for UR? What are that, you know, the early structural things that he needs to add to like this brand new game to him? Yeah. I mean, Jordan's very open about how, you know, he had to learn how to put on his helmet. You know, right. And, and where, you know, how to just navigate a pro building when he first came. So he's very transparent with that, you know, with the guys as well. Um,

46:46you know, I, I, I think with UR, it's a number one. It's about the fit, right. And go into a place where there's a plan, which is what Jordan had. And which is, I think there's buy-in throughout the Eagles organization on developing not just the IPP guys, but they're practice squad guys. The bottom of the roster guys, you know, they are there to develop their players. And so Jordan was great in kind of sharing how that, you know, how that happens in the, in the building. And, um, and, you know, what they've done in the past to develop, you know, the roster top the bottom. So let's not, let's not shortchange Joshua Wiru here. Um, and it does feel intentional for, for the Eagles to have brought these guys together. Uh, now Wiru, 64244. And another guy with just insane athleticism, a 41 inch vertical jump, uh, 132 inches on the broad, ran a 445. Um, tell us about Joshua as an athlete. Um, so I've been speaking with Joshua since 2023. Okay.

47:49I found him researching rugby rosters, international rugby rosters, dug up some film on them, and I started talking to him in 2023. He was too young for the IPP at that time. What a fascinating job you have. It's so, it's so cool. Yeah. And, and so, you know, a lot, some of it is kind of recruiting, if you want to call it that kind of sound the vision a little bit. Um, but he was kind of at a crossroads in his rugby career. And he's actually looking into kind of a track, you know, track opportunities when I first started speaking with him. Um, but he's been on his own since he was 20, or since he was 14 years old, you know, you know, we went off to boarding school and then just kind of traveling around the world to rugby academies and then pro rugby teams at the highest level in Kenya and in the UK. Um, so anyway, when I, when I spoke with him in 2023, he was ready to make a transition to football. He'd always had a fascination with, with American football is, you know, everybody calls it outside of North America. Um, and in 2024, I reached out to him again since he would be old enough for the IPP and he actually had a goal of enrolling at Arizona State University

48:52with the goal of walking on at season. Um, that ended up falling through and we'd stayed in contact and we agreed on conducting a private workout at ASU last August. Uh, so I made the trip out there. He was kind of late, one of the late workout, private workouts that I do. I do about 30 to 40 private workouts every year with, uh, guys on the short list on, on, on, on our walls. Um, it was probably the most impressive private workout that I've ever done. Wow. Um, now, so we were using, uh, ASU's intramural field is about 120 degrees out. We're sharing the field with ASU's marching band. Um, marching band practice. Uh, but, you know, we had portion of the field. I, I had them run a couple of forties using the low four fives. Um, and that was with running over a guy with a bassoon. Right. Uh, at this time, he was a little leaner. He was about 229, I think at the time. So he put, he's put on some considerable weight. Um, broad jumps, you know, 11 plus feet.

49:57Um, but it was when we were doing, uh, some of the positional work, I had him do some of the, kind of dip in, dip in turn, uh, work. And you just see the explosion and the bend at 64. You know, we're about 70% of the way through the workout. And I already had new in my hand. All right. We got to get this guy to the next stage here. Uh, you know, to see what, how he can catch the ball, how to run some routes, you know, do, do that. And, and he actually looked pretty decent getting in and out of breaks. Um, but, you know, between, you know, me making up my mind already that we're gonna, we're gonna move forward with them and it being 120 degrees out. I'm like, all right, we're good here. Yeah. You know, let's, uh, I'll give you a call in about a week for the next steps. Um, but since I've been with the IPP since I got here in 2022, he probably has the best overall movement skills. Wow. Yeah. We've had. Um, and just a very smart kid, man, he's, he's so resourceful. When I first met him at ASU, like, he already knew the

50:59benchmarks that he had to hit to be fittered in that upper echelon of edge NFL players. Okay. Just smart and resourceful and, and very conscientious and, and how he goes about, goes about his business. Now, having covered Jordan throughout his career, I know that that initial trend to that transition that these guys go through where there's a culture shock, there's, you know, being on your own, uh, that you have to contend with an addition to learning all these fundamentals of the game. How much do you think these guys having each other? And also, Moro Ajo Mo, I should mention as a 90, a Nigeria native as well in that defensive tackle room. How much do you think that will help these guys kind of acclimate to their new environment? Well, first thing I'll say is, so this is the first year that we trained at X3 Performance in Florida. Um, we'd been at IMG Academy the last couple of years. Yeah. Uh, but this, this year was unique in that the IPP guys were literally training next to NFL Combine guys, the guys training comic guys like Jennings Dunker and, and, and, and those, those types, um, Mike Washington, um,

52:05they're all, they're all X3. So they got to assimilate with Americans, American culture. Okay. The intensity it takes to compete at that level, the intensity it takes in that training. And then it was really cool just watching the Combine guys take our guys on the side and watch film with them. Um, and answer questions like the Combine guys are really, the college, I'll call them the college guys. They're really great about, um, you know, lending a hand, you know, to the IPP guys. And, um, so that was really unique and what's something that I really liked about our program this year is that they had that 10 weeks to interact with, uh, you know, high level college athletes that would be in the NFL next year. Um, so I think that's a unique advantage at this group has this year. Um, and, and yeah, I like you said, you know, having guys in the room um, to help assimilate, I think it goes back to that buy-in from the coaching staff, from the quality control staff and then the players in that room. Um, and, and we try to, you know, in part of our

53:08developmental plan for them, you know, when they're down on Florida with us is, uh, you know, how to go about seeking out support and how to find a reason and how to be resourceful. Um, so, you know, we, we felt really good about where they ended up, you know, by the time they were done with our program there. Do, do, do they have a good, uh, sort of back and forth with each other? Who are in, oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, they were, they were the two guys that had the most, you know, 30 visits and were, you know, coaches working them out at X3 during this pre-draft process. So they got a little travel time together and a little bonding, you know, one, you know, airplane bonding time and all that sort of stuff. And even before that, um, you know, they're both very easy to get along with, um, very different personalities. Okay. But, uh, but they balance each other out, at least, you know, in, in our program in the 10 weeks, they kind of balance each other out. And so you were, were you with who are when he got to call from the Eagles? I was. Okay. Tell us about what that was like. Yeah. Um, it's, uh, yeah,

54:14it's funny. I think he was having some connection issues initially with his phone. Brutal. They're called my phone. It's like, Harry, he next to the, who are like, we're trying to get hold of him. And I almost had, I almost gave my phone to who are, but ultimately, um, you know, his phone ended up connecting. And, um, so, you know, he was, he was locked into that conversation. I think if you hear it back, he's, he could tell he's very kind of locked into, you know, what they're telling him and, and, you know, are they going to draft me? You know, what's this phone call about? Um, and then he got on the phone with Coach Hurd who he, he, he, he, he'd met with, he kind of recognized that voice and, uh, and that's when it became real to him. And, and then, uh, he hung up that phone and you saw that, you know, 40 inch vertical, uh, when he left for joy and started hugging everybody and almost broke me in half. Um, and just, you know, it's just the elation. It's one of those things is my first time being in a green room and, you know, at a draft. Okay.

55:16You watch it on TV and you, you see the moments with the families and, and the elation, the burst of joy. And it's another thing to be there for that, man. Like it's, it's very emotional and just such a cool cool to be a very small part of, you know, that guy's journey and all the guys we brought to the, to the draft, um, just to see him take that, that next step and, and see all that hard work paying off at one moment. Um, very cool, very cool experience. And then how about with, with Joshua, I imagine there were, there were several places offering him a spot. What was that decision-making process like for him? Yeah. Um, you know, I was actually somewhat surprised that he wasn't taken late just based on the conversations that I'm with teams. Um, he could have easily been in that mix, uh, being draftable or being drafted. Um, I know that there are several teams that had draftable grades on them. And it, you know, some of those teams had seventh round picks. Yeah. It wouldn't have surprised me if he got selected. Um, so hey, man, I told Josh, like, you don't get

56:18picked. In worst case scenario, you're going to have a, a line of teams with PFA offers for you. You know, it's not such a bad thing. And I'm talking to his mom as well. You know, she's, they're anxious. You know, trying to figure out where her son's going to go. Um, so we, you know, we, we took calls from teams after the, you know, immediately within a couple minutes after the draft and, and he's having conversations with teams. And ultimately, um, you know, the Eagles were the best fit for him. He decided that he decided that they had everything in place. And that he was looking for and, you know, agreed to a, to a PFA contract there. Well, it is, it is a very exciting and very cool thing for Eagles fans to follow. And, and congratulations to you for, for helping shepherd these guys through the process. Yeah, I think a very, very small part of it. I'm just trying to get out there and, and, you know, offer these guys opportunities. Um, and then it's all them from there, man. It's, uh, you know, really proud of really our whole class for all the work that they put in. And obviously, you know, it's paying off for these guys. And, and what is, what is next for you? Do you get downtime?

57:21Are you, are you off Jess, Jess setting again next week or something? I started looking at the 2027 group a month ago. Okay. Uh, you know, already having calls with trainers and agents and player, you know, athletes all over and, uh, you know, firing up the rugby film and the international basketball film and, uh, putting together that watch list. And that's, it's, we're, we're all set in 2027. All right. Well, thank you so much, Mark, for joining us. The NFL's international scout. Good luck. Hopefully we get to talk to you again next year. He goes to keep, keep picking off the IPP. No, I appreciate you guys. Great coming on in. Awesome. Thanks so much. Back with more on the PHOI Eagles podcast. What is life, if not turning the chaos into great memories? Well, that's where aura frames come in with the perfect mother's day gift to help you capture that chaos. The chaos you put mom through and the memories that came with it with aura frames. You get free

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1:00:27But also it must be a very challenging job to travel that much. So that's off to him. Fantastic. Super chat. The nice donation says, what songs would you have on a shared playlist with coach Siriani? What songs? Now, what's the context like am I trying to cheer him up? Am I trying to you know, just share with him with him some music that I enjoy? I'll tell you what, I will, I will put on there the two songs that I saw him dancing to on stage at the Super Bowl after party when he was celebrating. By would rank a T-Pain. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And that's exactly what he was doing. Yeah, that's right. I saw the videos. Yeah. And Bobby Brown's my prerogative. I'm tired of that song in an Eagles context. Okay. There you go. Those are your answers. I'm going guitar stuff. I'm going to go

1:01:30because I don't care as much about, you know, making him feel amazing. Okay. So you're going to go time-mish the tank engine. I got, I've done miss the tank engine. No, I'm going to go, I'm going to go, who knows by Jimmy Hendrix and the band of Gypsies. And then I'm going to go, he's going to turn that off so bad. Oh, I don't care. I'm going for music. I like trying to think of a really good like guitar. You know what? I'm going to go with the BB King song. Which BB King song am I going to go with though? I'm taking my time with this. Just googling BB King songs. No, I just know the names are all kind of. Is it got your sense? No, is it called love is nothing but the blues? Is that the song I'm thinking of? How blue can you get? That's the name of the song. Yep. I'm going with that by BB King. Then what does it mean? It doesn't mean anything. It's just music I like.

1:02:32If you're trying to make like Nick feel great, you'd probably put like hells bells by AC-DC and something by Creed because those are the songs he likes to play at practice. He has true. I don't know blue is the color what it's chosen for you in this context, but I don't even want to know why you said that. I'm not even going to put a second thought into it. Good stuff. This is a great show. Packed show. I know. Yeah. It's going to be a good it's been a good week already. It's going to continue. No show on Friday this week, by the way. Yeah. So back tomorrow, we're going to narrow our focus on two. One, Makai. Mr. Lemon. Mr. Lemon. Makai lemon. Unfortunately, we have not yet reached critical mass of requests for a lemon party merch. So if you want that to happen, we're going to need to see more comments on the videos. Why do you just assume that they want it to happen? I'm pretty sure I know the audience. I feel like I know them too, but maybe the audience has spoken comment something else instead of lemon party. Why don't you comment? Comment ideas for the Makai lemon merch that is a lemon party. I'm fighting for my life here.

1:03:38I'm trying. You get Makai, you get Howie and Nick. No, no, absolutely not. He tried to get us all fired. I mean, I guess. Awesome. Great stuff. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Sikos. We will talk to you tomorrow at two o'clock. What? Thank you, EJ. What did you do? I showed up and I had a great time. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, EJ. Most of all, most importantly, none of this would be possible without you. That was too much. Now I know you don't mean it. All right, and the show. I'm out of here. Thanks for watching. Everybody will talk to you tomorrow at two o'clock. And as always, we love you.