Former Bears WR Allen Robinson's Experience Playing for Ben Johnson, 2018 Bears

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1:01Stop now, not a chance. At Capella University, we help you catch what you're chasing because you've always had the drive. Now, go earn the degree. Capella University, what can't you do? Visit Capella.edu to learn more. Alright, I think this is going to be our favorite interview at the NFL Combine. Absolutely. Four years with the Chicago Bears. He says that to everyone though. I really don't. I really don't. I actually mean it. I actually hate it. I mean, listen, anytime we get talked to Alan Robinson, it's exciting for all of us. Because what you did in Chicago, what you did in your career, so I appreciate you making time. I appreciate it, man. Thank you guys for having me. What's your sense? Let's just go right into the Bears of today right now. There's all this DJ Moore talk out there. You watching him and the Bears making this decision is obviously getting a lot of money. But if he was not in that room for Chicago, would you think that'd be a big problem? No. And I said that respectfully. You know, I said that respectfully in a sense of obviously we saw what their group was like.

2:03Rome missed a lot of time last year with injury. But then you also, you know, you have, you have coasting. You know, I'm saying who played great football. So as far as me look at the past catchers, you have him as a weapon. Obviously you have Rome who'll be back as a weapon. Luther Burton also was a guy who I think he showed tremendous upside last season with just the times where he got the ball. I felt like watching him play every single time he got the ball. You know, he was able to make a play. And I say that because when you see the playmaking ability, when you have young players like Luther Burton and like coasting leveling, now in year two for those guys, they're going to want the ball a little bit more. And not just them wanting to ball more, but Ben Johnson is going to want to get them to ball more. I mean, those guys showed tremendous flashes of what they could do. So now as you kind of factor in and look at the ball distribution on how that goes, you know, when it looks to, you know, obviously DJ more in his contract. And I mean, we saw what the general manager said as far as just the overall situation. So it doesn't sound like it's a shoeing that he's going to be there.

3:05So when you have situations like that, I think they have a really young group that they can kind of lean on to where I think they're built to kind of transition out of that. Yesterday, you know, we were talking a little bit off the air and you said Ben Johnson is unbelievable at scheming, right? You had that year with him in Detroit. You got to see it up close and personal. So I'm just curious talking about those wide receivers. I know he can scheme anybody up, right? But who would you say of that group? And you can include close to Colston in that that fits what Ben tries to do the best. I think Luther Burton, man. Watching his run after catch from whether it was him catching the ball down the field, rather than his him catching some short stuff, turning into first downs, down the stretch and as the season progressed, seeing the confidence and the playmaking ability from Luther Burton, I was thoroughly impressed. Obviously, he was a highly talented receiver coming in. I mean, some people would say he was still getting him in a situation in spot that the bear has got him in, but seeing what he did and how he was able to kind of continue to improve as the season progressed,

4:07I think they have a huge weapon in Luther Burton that they need to unleash a little bit more this season. So when you have a young player like that who we know was kind of, I don't like using the word struggle, like struggle to pick up the playbook, because I'm not sure what that's. Yeah, but it was a slow start. But it took, he's a rookie and it takes some, you know, takes those guys a little bit longer, and there were still signs even like late in the playoff game where he clearly ran the wrong route. Ben chucked him off the field the first day of camp. Even throughout, can he have some injuries? Right. So it was a slow start. If you're a vet in that room, in that wide receiver room, when you see a kid that talented, what type of things are you telling him this off season to get, so you can unlock him the way you were just talking about him? I didn't think for him is just honing on the playbook. And I say that because I look at a player like Jameson Williams, who was very similar as far as the talent, and kind of maybe having a little bit slow start. But now when you look at him, you know, Jamo can play any spot in the Detroit Lions offense,

5:09but that was built upon year after year and him being with Ben Johnson, him learning the scheme. And now when you look at a Jamo, the way that he's been able to ascend has just been his sheer comfort in the offense. And I think very similar to Luther Burton. I mean, obviously he has the skill set. Obviously he has everything that's needed. But when you look at it as far as now, it's about the no where can I play you? I can play you at X sometime. I can play you at Z sometime. I can play you at F sometime and being able to move him around and him having the confidence and ability to know what's going on. I think that's going to, that's where he has to grow this off season. How hard is it as a wide receiver to master up and Johnson playbook? It can not just from the plays itself, but we win, win, win to come out of your break. Depth of row. Ben's offense, I would say definitely is one of the offenses that takes some time because it's so detailed. It's detailed as far as splits. It's detailed as far as depth and it's not though and it's not one of the systems where that varies. Because you have, you have some systems that's a timing based system.

6:11You have some offenses that match up base. The match up base offense, you're not really so detailed to certain specifics like you are a timing based system. Like Ben Johnson where everything's matters from splits to release patterns, to depth of route. So those things take some time and when you're a young player coming in, I mean, listen. Plant against Coach Flores and Minnesota, they're defense. You got some times where Ben Johnson is going to come into the game on third down. You got three play calls. You know, you have a play, you have a kill, and you have alerts. You know, so you may start off with the zero, you may start off with the zero play that's killed to the zone beater. And then you have a alert of a few options if you see man to man coverage. So it's a lot taking place once you break the huddle and those kind of offenses. So those alerts, if I could jump in on that real quick, I think that's the next step here with Caleb and Ben. Yeah, because Caleb said something about that, like handed that a little bit. When you start to see this quarterbacks, you can do those hand signals late after they see everything. And I feel like Caleb was just starting to kind of get to that point late in the season.

7:13What would that help unlock if they can narrow that down and add that to the offense more next year? I think a lot. And for me, I was able to see kind of the, you know, the offense from the lens of the Detroit Lions. When Ben Johnson and Jericho have had a few years and stuff under their belt. So it had grown a lot. And like I said before, I immediately go back to games. You know, we had our last game of the season, we're playing against the Minnesota Vikings for the division. And again, we're going into the game where we know how much coach Flores likes to blink likes to bring blitz zero on third down. So for us, we're hunting blitz zero. So we may start with a blitz zero call. Okay, we have that call killed to a zone beater. And then you have maybe a package of about five to six plays that we can alert to on man to man, depending on what you're on what Jericho offense seeing. Again, it's a lot taken place and it was a very big menu in games like that, which is being able to get to the right place. So again, it's, it's a, this was the foundation that was set for the Chicago Bears and Ben Johnson.

8:18And I think they said a great foundation and they have a ton of room to build off of going into next season. I think it's obvious why there was so many pre-stab issues that they were learning. When I listen to you talk about this, I just think how hard it would be for me if I was a supremely talented dude who I felt like I could just beat anybody anytime. I'm good enough to be in the NFL for me to have to sit down and study. I don't, I'm just wondering what type of challenge was that for you just to sit there like, okay, I'm not going to do any of the fun stuff. I'm going to sit in this playbook. It was a challenge, man. And for me, I got to Detroit right before the season started. So I was learning everything on the fly. So for me, it was, man, I'm talking, I didn't have much time to do anything else that season that I was in Detroit, but study plays. I'm talking from the time I woke up to the time I went to bed was me studying plays when I'm not in the facility. I'm even as I'm driving to the facility or on the way home, I'm thinking about the plays and different things like that because, again, but as a receiver, as a competitor, you always want more.

9:21Ben is a guy who he's going to ask for what he's going to ask for and he's not going to lower that expectation. And it's going to, it may take a little bit of time, but it's on everybody else involved to be able to take the time out to understand that to come up to what he expects because he's not going to come out there and say, okay, I'm going to give you guys a kitty menu. And this is how we're going to play football. He's going to have all hands on deck every single game. I mean, that was my biggest, I didn't, I just genuinely didn't know following the Bears more than Detroit. Like, we all knew he was an unbelievable offensive mind, but year one with Caleb in that locker room, like they were not happy with the coaches. And it felt like the locker room was fractured. And I'm like, how is he going to be able to get these guys corralled and hold accountability to guys that kind of are a little bit of jaded. How things are going for their career. And that like right away when you got to camp, you could see that he is somebody the players respond to they trust because they know he's going to put him in a good position, but he does not mess around with these guys.

10:23Well, you know, I think it's a little bit of secret sauce that right now I think is going around. And this is my opinion going around the NFL. I think the reason why a lot of players are so understanding and gravitate towards Ben Johnson is because he's the head coach, but he also he's he calls the plays. And I say that because to any coach who calls the plays as a player, you can't understand and relate what he's bringing to the table. Like, Ben is not just sitting up there meeting in meetings, pointing fingers saying you need to do this telling these coaches you need to do this. Ben is calling the plays. If you watch a game and see how locked in Ben Johnson is, then you have all the respect in the world and understanding of why he's asking you what he's asking of you because he's asking those same things of himself. Like Ben Johnson in the way he calls the game. I remember we played against Seattle and they ran blitz zero. We ran a deep cross. Jameson Williams had like a 70 yard touchdown and Ben Johnson standing there on the sideline looking at the other sideline yelling call it again.

11:27Call blitz zero again. And that's the kind of guy he is. And for me, seeing that and being around him is like, wow, like the same way that we went into Tampa with Detroit and we lost. And he came in and he said, hey, guys, like, I don't think I gave you enough ammunition in the red zone. And that was something that I may have thought in my own head going into that game was like, okay, like our red zone packages, you know, it was, it was, it wasn't as tight as it had been. And Ben Johnson, he stood up in the meeting the next day and said, I didn't give you guys enough ammunition going into the red zone that will never happen again. Yeah, I think that happened a couple times this year too, just because he kind of hinted at it even just through the media through his press conferences after, you know, want a loss or something where he seems willing to take that account. Yeah, and that's the thing where it's like for a player. When you see a coach who takes the accountability, like I said before, he's calling the plays. He's not a CEO coach who's just sitting up there saying, you know, like my offensive court like my play calling needs to do this or this player.

12:27Or just following the sword saying, I didn't have the guys prepare. He's calling the plays. So the expectation of what he brings to the table on each and every Sunday is a very high expectation of himself as well as the player. And that that's got to matter in the locker. Did you, what was your opinion of working with Dan Campbell on that? It was phenomenal, man. The experience that I had in Detroit, obviously I'm from Detroit. So being back home for that season, man, and being a part of the most wins in franchise history. Growing up seeing the old and 16 Detroit Lions watching us draft five receivers in a row and different things like that. You know, it was a lot of wolves when it came to the Detroit Lions growing up. So to be a part of that and to see just how those guys coach, man, and they kept it all football each and every day, man, it was no. It was no nonsense. It was no favoritism. Man, they're going to play whoever the best player is for the job and whoever is going to get the job done. And I had an ultimate amount of respect for that overall coaching staff.

13:2870 touchdowns, not too bad. It's pretty damn impressive. Now, when you talk about that and coaching staff and your roots from Detroit wide receiver coach for Detroit comes to Chicago Antoine Randall L. He's got roots in Chicago. Like, every time I see him, I just want to talk about his high school basketball career. You know, what was it like working with him and it was awesome. Again, he's a very detailed oriented guy. You know, me and Tim Patrick kind of got there around the same time. So we spent a lot of time with coach with coach L morning starting our days at 615 in the morning. You know, kind of getting and being able to meet with him before the coaches met. So that's kind of how our day started. You know, Indy Troy was me and Tim Patrick. We would have meetings with with with L around 615 when we would kind of get to install. Like before, even the early install is given. And then we would kind of have time from 615 to about 8 to kind of look through the install and stuff like that on our own. You know, so we spent a lot of time with the man and he's a very detailed oriented guy.

14:28Brings the energy of fun coach to be around positive. You know, um, it was a it was a great experience. Like I said before, man, Chicago Bears, once they got that staff would been Johnson and the guys that he assembled, man, they got a tremendous coaching staff. So let's reminisce a little bit. 2018 was a fun year. Shoot off. I'll have him here for the next hour. When you look back at that year, what comes to your mind first? Man, it was fun. You know, I think that was a number one thing. And I think that, um, I think that the way that everybody just kind of leaned into it all, you know, it was fun. It was exciting. What was asked of everything, you know, of everybody, you know, um, each and every week. And guys just came out there and they played, you know, and I think that's things started to change. Obviously looking back at it. You know, I think it was a lot of things that just overall took place. You know, that kind of changed our, you know, overall trajectory a little bit. But I mean, man, when you look back at it, um, over those four years, we went to the playoffs twice. Uh, we had one losing season in those four years.

15:30Obviously two, two of the four years you went eight and eight, but then we also won the division. So, you know, we had a, we had a lot of, we had, we had a lot of good times there. You know, I don't think it was as bad as it kind of seemed to be once you kind of had that rough fourth year. I forget what our record was that year. But I think that just kind of left for real sour taste in everybody's mouth. But prior to that, you know, I think we played a lot of competitive football. So, Instagram team accounts, automatic protections for teams. Instagram team accounts have built in content settings, now inspired by 13 plus movie ratings and limits for who can contact teams. Plus, teams under 16 can't change these default safety settings without parental approval. So, parents can help teams connect safely. Instagram team accounts, automatic protections for who can contact teams and the content they can see. Learn more at Instagram.com and slash team accounts. For a limited time, get one of these Jimmy John sandwiches, Jimmy chips and a drink for only $8.99. Choose the fan favorite turkey Tom with all natural turkey or the Pepe with smoked ham and provolone.

16:33The $8.99 meal deal at Jimmy John's. Oh, that's good. Limited time at participating locations. Valid on turkey Tom and the Pepe eight inch whole name. Flute chips and regular fountain beds. Uptarges apply on bottle beds, premium sides and desserts. Not valid with other offers. Tax add-ons extra. Ben's got good better best. You guys had club dub. Club dubbed didn't quite carry over. Yeah. We're wondering if good better best can carry over and how Ben might handle that. I just feel like you might have some good perspective on that. Yeah. I feel like for us, I think the club dub, I think it was that. I don't know, man. It was, I think it kind of did carry over. I say kind of did carry over because I think the same thing with the Chicago Bears now is that the expectation is going to be high. But I think they have to keep the main thing the main thing, which is winning the Super Bowl and being competitive. I think that right now, once you go from winning the division, I think that everybody looks at the season as if it's going to be the same exact year.

17:35But it may not be. But the same way that you may not have that year and you look at some of the, some of the giants teams that won Super Bowls, they were, they were a wild car, road warriors and won the Super Bowl. And I say that because it can't allow people to get discouraged if next year doesn't start off with just it being a 15 and two season, you know. Or if it doesn't, you know, it may be a, you know, it may be one of those seasons that's 10 and seven where they get into the playoffs. But they have the coaching staff. They have the talent. They have everything that they need to be able to win the Super Bowl and be ultra competitive. And I think that has to remain and stay the main focus at all times. Do you look at the Eagle double doughnut game as they, that y'all should have let the offense out a little bit earlier? Because at the end of the game, it started throwing the ball looking great. And, and you guys were moving it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that, that, that kick and everything, you know, cis with me all the time, man, because I think that we had a team that could have went further. I think that if we had a one that game, obviously, we would have matched up with the Rams. And I think that was a matchup that we wanted.

18:36We had played them. We felt like we had their number, Vic Fangio and just the way that he had the defense plan, especially against that offense. I think everybody felt good about that. You know, so, um, so to have that kind of cut that part of our season short. Because again, I mean, I think that's a team that we would have been in the NFC championship. And I think that now, once you get to those, now it's like anything can happen. But I think that team had that kind of capability to be able to win the NFC championship game and get to the Super Bowl. I think we had those kind of players because it may not have always been pretty. But I think we have to play makers in all the right spots to be able to make big plays. Like when you look at the playoff game, I mean, me and some of the skill position guys that we had being able to make plays. When you go to the defense, you had Calil Mac in crucial moments. If you needed a sack, he could get that. You had Eddie Jackson, who's the ball hawk safety hooker make a play. You had Kyle Fuller, who was playing, you know, lights out that season as well. In the second year to be able to make a play. So we had the people in place that at any point in time in the game,

19:39when we needed, could make the play. Your hands, I mean, it felt like the football touch of you were catching it. How did you work to get to that spot? You know, I think about that all the time. I feel like sometimes I may have focused a little bit too much on the overall catch, rather than being able to kind of be a little bit more creative after the catch. You know, because like I said before, for myself, I always evaluate things as I'm looking year to year and now just having some time to reflect. And it's like, I wish I had to take a little bit more risk. You know, when it comes to the overall catch point, it's like, you know, my catch percentage may have dropped a little bit, you know, but I feel like, you know, there may have been some more plays that could have come out of that. You know, as well as funny, because I, me and for the Bears fans out there, me and even a person like Adrian Amings, you know, we're close. We went to Penn State together. He talks as far as the secondary, you know, he says that he was a guy who took pride and always being in the right place at the right time. But he also says that in his career, he wish he had to take some more risk. Yeah. As far as being able to make some more plays.

20:40And it's like granted, he may not have been there. If he was there 90% of the time, he may have been there 80% of the time. But in that 10%, there may have been some more explosive plays that came out of that. Yeah, well, I'm mad at Adrian. He went to the Packers and then he started trawling us up. He might be friends with them, but he did start to troll. But I always say this, man, it's sometimes, you know, when you get into Chicago Bears Twitter, you know, it's hard sometimes not to not to troll back, you know, but you know, that's, that's the stuff that he needs. Yeah. But, you know, I always say this, man, you know, that's my guy. And unfortunately, you know, he was a guy that I would have loved to see back in Chicago. But you know, even players like that, you know, he never got to offer when it came to free agency, you know, or even extensions or anything like that, you know, so you kind of have that. You have the respect because when you're going through those kind of situations, you know how that could feel for a player who actually wants to be back in a certain, with a certain team in a certain situation. And you never get to offer from that team.

21:42So it does kind of, it does kind of become a little spiteful, you know, as, as you start to look at that team as far as like, I wanted to be there. They didn't want me there. Now I'm on the rival of that team playing against them. And that's kind of the added motivation when you look for him as far as from year, you know, five, six, seven, eight on what kind of was his added motivation is like, I'm playing against a team in a division that drafted me that didn't want me back. That never offered me a contract. And that's the added motivation. Imagine if brisker goes to the backers. Yeah. He'll be on Twitter a lot. Exactly. Yeah. For sure. I know you've got a lot of work with serious X7 to do. And you've given a ton of your time here. So we really appreciate it. Definitely going to bug you to come back on our show because I got a million questions to ask you. But with free agency two weeks away, you talked about that 2018 team. You talked about Khalil Mac. The bears were kind of looking at them last year. I feel like he's a guy, even though it's, you know, it's not 2018 anymore. I feel like they need to bring Khalil Mac back.

22:42I think that would be awesome, you know. And I think Khalil is one of those guys, man. I think it's something. And I think the same way that Detroit has built their team, I think Ben Johnson, has the understanding of what it's like bringing in very good overall football players and sound players and what that does for a locker room. So having a person like Khalil Mac and your on your team, not just the on the field aspect, but how he elevates everybody just in general from a day to day process driven standpoint. If you have any young player that you're bringing in rather than draft or free agency, when they see a Khalil Mac in his day to day process and how detailed oriented he is, asking questions and meetings for everything that he's accomplished in his career, he never takes any step of the process for granted. And I think that goes a long way. Well, you were one of those guys, man. I mean, watching you do your work at training camp. And that was a young wide receiver room that you, when you came over as the vet, and even for me then, looking back at it, I was still young then.

23:43But you carried yourself. That was like you're five in your career. Honestly, man, you care. You're five, I was just turning 25. And I say that because I start to look at when I play for the stillers and when I play for the Lions, really at that point in time, with everything that all the knowledge that I had and truly being able to be of that and having all my processes and being processed driven. Like looking, thinking back to 25, 26 year old me, like I was a vet. But then when I look at like my last couple of years, even the knowledge and information that I had being able, it was times where I memorized the same brown will come to me with questions and stuff where I had legitimate answers for him, whether that's on the field, off the field, whatever it may be. You know, same in Pittsburgh, you know, leading and just kind of helping to lead the George Pickens and Dianche Johnson kind of group, being able to kind of help those guys each and every day, being able to get to Sunday in the process of that, you know, when I was in Chicago and even when I was in Jacksonville,

24:44you know, I never had anybody like that in front of me, you know, from the time that I came into NFL, you know, we started three rookies when I was in Jacksonville with me, Marquis Lee and Alan Herons, and we didn't have events. So it was always me kind of learning off of myself and off my own mistakes rather than having a vet in front of me to say, hey, this is how this situation may happen or may go down or how you may handle the situation. Even in Chicago, you know, there was nobody that kind of, you know, that I could lean on and those instances, you know, I was always pouring to guys, and you know, I was able to learn a lot, and I look at the, you know, once I got to the last couple of years of my career all that knowledge, I was able to get to others. All right, I got one more, I'm sorry. Yeah, you got one too. You did. All good. All good. I got time. Oh, I can see y'all on there. Well, this is pop to my head because the idea that the Bears could potentially be playing in Indiana. As a player. But this is what I want to specifically ask you. It's a player, and I don't know exactly where you lived when you played there, but most of the players live up towards the facility, like Forrest, right?

25:44So now some do commute from the city. There's a few of them, but how much does it matter to the players where the actual games are on Sunday, where the actual physical stadium is? Like, do you guys, I know some guys go out to dinner after like the night before, after the game, like, whatever. Like, does it really matter that much since the facility is up north anyway? I'll say this. I'm not sure how much with it being in Indiana, but I'll say, when I sign to Chicago, I sign to play and be a part of the city of Chicago and everything that was involved in playing in Chicago. I can't even fathom than playing in Indiana. That's not even, like, it's not even computing with my brain as far as, like, how that would take place. Because, like you said before, you have the stadium then here. You're in a lake forest, you know, so just how that overall commute. But even with my family coming into town and being able to have dinner in downtown Chicago and go to different restaurants,

26:45and the overall experience of playing in Chicago was such a great experience and everything that I would have imagined and envisioned and come into Chicago. I can't imagine now them having to play games in Indiana. Which, just listening to all this, and I get so jealous of the life that you got to live and congratulations on getting to that level. Since you're in the top 10. I didn't realize where you guys stayed because, with Soldier Field, you guys stayed somewhere the night before. I thought every team did that. I was talking to a coach for the Bears, and he was like, it's like every games a road game for the Bears because our team has to go to a team hotel the night before. No, well, some, you know, most teams go to a team hotel. That's what I thought. I mean, like when I was in, even saying with Detroit, you know, Detroit, we practice in Allen Park. Stadium is downtown. We stay in Dearborn. LA, same thing. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is a little bit different. Because for some of the vets, we didn't have to stay in the hotel. But same with them.

27:45They have their practice facility that's on the south side and then the stadium is like more so near downtown. Okay. So I mean, everybody typically stays. What do you miss most about playing? If anything. To be honest, I would say more so just the overall, the locker room, camaraderie. You know, when myself, I had some injuries. What really kind of derailed me a little bit when I broke my foot in LA. If I didn't have that, I probably would still be playing right now. But other than that, man, I, nothing. And I say nothing because I gave everything to the game. You know, that was my approach, you know, as far as, you know, I didn't hang out during the season. Didn't drink during the season or nothing like that. Man, I poured everything that I had into each and every season that I had. So the results I could always live with. Because it was about me just learning how to better my process. Not me doing anything any differently because each and every season I could say that I put everything that I had into every one of the seasons

28:48that I played in and I didn't have any regrets. You know, maybe could things be done differently here? Could I focus a little bit more on this as far as, you know, what I need to get better at. But as far as things that I need to do differently or anything, man, I laid it all on the line. And, you know, based on injuries and stuff like that, you know, I have, I have and had nothing left to give to the game. Well, for my perspective, you had a great career, man. You're always professional at Chicago. Yeah, you might not have been drinking during the season, but I was doing it. Yeah. Congrats. I appreciate it. Are you going to stay on this side of you on any interesting coaching? No, and I have no interest in coaching, man. If anything, you know, you may see me representing some players. Okay. You know, but doing some media stuff, but no, man, coaching, listen, I ought to respect to the coaches, man, because those hours are brutal. You know, man, again, I've dedicated so much of my life. To playing to where I was now, you know, being able to give some of that time, to my family, to my loved ones and stuff like that on a little bit more time

29:48that I have. Well, it was interesting you talking about not feeling like you were a vet. I came because for me, watching F felt like you embodied that. You were a technician route runner and watching you go to work every day at camp and seeing that precision and attention to detail was always really impressive. I tried to give you the nickname suit and tie it to her. It never caught on. Is that how I felt like you carried yourself everything, man? It's funny because, you know, many people may not know it, but I always wish, man, that I had a vet to be able to just kind of bounce some ideas off of and talk things through, you know, just at different parts of my career because, like I said before, it was always learning on the fly and learning from my own mistakes. You know, I really didn't have, it wasn't like it was guys that came before me in different situations where I learned, you know, from them. You know, it was always me kind of just learning on the fly and me kind of figuring out things on my own rather that, you know, comes to training. And again, I mean, when I was at Penn State, I think I was the first player to leave early from Penn State for like quite some time, you know, as far as.

30:51So it wasn't like it was many NFL receivers that came out of Penn State before me that I could lean on and talk to and then same with Jacksonville. Like we didn't have any seasoned vets like that in the receiver room and then same in Chicago. You know, I was kind of me and Taylor Gabriel were the vets and we had Javine Wims and Anthony Miller. So we were all just kind of learning off each other. Yeah, it's for sure, man. It was a pleasure to watch you play, man. I appreciate it. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for spending so much time with us. No doubt. We'll have you on again. You see, serious ex-slam, he's doing a lot for them. And you're doing press release. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, having fun, being able to talk about the game, you know, and even when you come as like podcasting, so I say all the time, me and my buddies talk about football and stuff so much anyway. Yeah. You know, when it comes to Sunday, now I have all the games on, I'm watching. I'm like, man, did you see this or this person did this or what do you think about this? So we talk about it so much anyway, man. It's now just putting some mics and cameras in front of it to talk about it. But I have fun and I enjoy it. I love the game of football. It's changed my life, you know. So I always feel like I'm in debt to the game of football.

31:52Well, it helps make the fans smarter, having conversations like this. Even when you're talking about having that vet in front, everybody with DJ Moore is talking about production and why you got to move in the salary cap. But to your point, this is a young wide receiver room and to have a guy like that out there is value in it. You know, we do shows with Lance Briggs and Jerry Zuma, Corey Wooden. So anytime you want to come by studio and help me get smarter. So I stop yelling nonsense to the microphone. We'll appreciate it. Yeah, for sure. Great to see you, everybody. Appreciate it, man. Appreciate you guys. Packages by Expedia. You were made to occasionally take the hard route to the top of the Eiffel Tower. We were made to easily bundle your trip. Expedia made to travel. Flight inclusive packages are at all protected. Jimmy Johns is bringing big Greek energy and your taste buds are about to feel it. Meet the new Greek and chicken heroes back with juicy season meats and cool crisp veggies all wrapped in warm soft pizza for a crave for the bite.

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