Episode 614 - A Global Wind UP & Indigo Pole Dancing.

0:00�� Well, hello and good evening and welcome to episode 614 of the Plain Talking UK podcast. My name is Carlos and in this week's show we have another BA slide whoopsie and A320 takes a bash on the nose, a possible resurgence of the A300 and we report on the 767 incident

1:01at Miami. In the military news we have the sad incident of the F4 crash in Greece plus an RAF deployment to a remote Arctic island. As usual we'll have our retro airline out of the week plus it's time to reveal the winner in our book competition and Nick is talking about taking us on our travels this week with a trip on an ATR in the Canary Islands. So joining in this week's for this pack show please say we have a full crew onboard so check this out already. Senior person today is the ever reliable Neville Bones. He's joining us from the Aftgalley where it's been unconfirmed that he's been necking some miniatures. Yes, unconfirmed being the operative word too. So first to be sorry about my voice I woke up this morning with a very horse voice for some reason. I think it's because I went to the professional light and sound association show on Monday

2:05of this week at Olympia where there was lots of smoke machines and stuff like that and people smoking illegal substances I would imagine too. Anyway so yeah go great for back on this week show of course. And how was the show you went to? Is it one of those tech shows? Oh yes very much so yes it's all about professional light and sound. So yeah lots of AV gear there lots of waggly lights the whole thing. I felt completely overdressed by turning up in a shirt and long trousers or jeans rather. I think I was the only person there without a tattoo as well. That's the other thing. So yeah it's in the rock and roll industry if you haven't got a tattoo you're nobody really. So no it was good nicely somewhere old chums there as well which was nice. Excellent. And fiddling around with the circuit break is at the back of the cockpit he just can't help himself. It's Captain Andy. I was

3:12enjoying these intros written by Nick. I know I read them exactly as I put them. Oh I think what may have lost the... I think Andy's got a slight internet connection issue. I would agree with that yes. I think Andy if you can hear us you'll probably need to connect to something else other than a bit of wet string. Because at the start when we were talking it was perfectly right. So I don't know what's going on there. And that's of intervened and tried to fix it. And well we'll move on. And finally he's fairing around in the cargo hole going through some luggage and trying to find out what awful gift you're bringing back for that neighbour that fed

4:14your fish is of course our connoisseur of all great intros. It is of course Nick Codling. Good evening. Hi Carlos. Yeah nice to be back. Had a week off last week so I was back down in one of my happy places going enjoying aeroplanes and doing lots of fun things with motorcycles down in the Canary Islands. So yeah had a week off and more on that later but yeah good to be back on the show. Good to see you guys. Hopefully we can get Andy back again and yeah we've got lots to talk about this week. It's going to be a busy show I think. And how was... well we're going to host day itself but I'm guessing you had some good weather on your holiday. It was fantastic. Yeah it was sort of 28, 30 degrees quite dry. Yeah really good. It was actually it worked out really well because yeah I rented a motorbike for three days and did a lot of sort

5:15of touring around and riding around Gran Canaria. And the weather was fantastic for that so I was able to enjoy some really great views and see loads of amazing scenery. And then actually the last couple of days it was quite misty and foggy. So that kind of coincided quite nicely with me just having a couple of days chilling out at the end of my trip. So yeah lovely I mean it's my I feel slightly embarrassed to say this is my third trip to the Canary Islands this year and I absolutely love it there. And yeah back on a on a 737 max as well and yeah so I've done a done a few trips on 737 this year. Excellent what's good to have you back with us as always Nick. Thank you. We're going to say hello to everyone who's joined us in the chat room while we're waiting for Andy to come back hopefully. Top of the list this week, Nev. Guess who's back in the number one spot this week? Well considering not even in the country at the moment. Masu's was first in

6:20the chat room reporting from Hong Kong. How about that? Sorry you can join us live he says. So if you're still with us, Mizzouce in Hong Kong. Good evening Richard Adams. Hello to you. I love Richard's comment in the chat room says hi Mizzouce you still managed to be first in the chat room. We've got Tanya in there. Hello Tanya. Dirk S says good evening folks. Jenny over in Rome. Hello to you. Mr. Warner. Jonathan Warner. Hello greetings. Good to see you in there. John Falk joining from Jersey. Expect to be joined by Nev very soon. Yes more on that later Nev. We've got let me just make Jason Trussell. Good evening to you Jason. Good to see you in the chat room this week. Masha. Hello lovely Masha. Good evening to you. Neil Lamwam. Hello Neil. Not seeing him in the chat room for a long while. Good evening to you Neil. And make sure I don't miss anyone out.

7:24Welcome to everyone who's joined us in the chat room tonight for the show. And don't forget to subscribe to us as well on YouTube and click the bell icon to be notified when we're recording live shows just like we are now because we'd love to have you in chat room with us. So Nev I'm going to leave it up to you to introduce the first part of the show. Yeah of course as always we've got lots to talk about this week and it's the commercial news segment. Well rather and after inevitably top of the shop this week is the news about the 767 300

8:29crashed in Miami. This is on the AV herald.com says a 21 air Boeing 767 300 freighter on behalf of Amazon Amazon Prime registration November 1997 alpha performing flight to Lima 7598 from San Juan Puerto Rico to Miami Florida landed on Miami's runway 30 at 1353 local but over around the end of the runway crossed a highway hitting multiple vehicles and came to a stop about 460 meters past the end of the runway into a parking lot where a fire erupted. Emergency service services were able to put the fire out. There were five fatalities and five injured people, three of them with critical injuries. The aircraft sustained substantial damage including the fracture of the right hand wing. The airport reported a ground stop was issued. Miami-Dade fire service it reported that they arrived at the scene to find an aircraft that had caught fire

9:30with heavy flames and smoke as a result of the crash. The aircraft had struck multiple vehicles as it crossed the road. At ABC recordings show routine communications on tower frequency for landing the aircraft is not heard thereafter until tower-stated runway 30 is closed. The FAA reported 21 air flights 7598 overrun the runway after landing at Miami International Airport and the Boeing 737-737-700 cargo aircraft departed the international airport in San Juan, Puerto Rico, the FAA will investigate. According to the ADSB data the aircraft touched down 4,000 feet, 1,130 meters past the displaced runway threshold with about 4,500 feet of runway remaining at 160 knots over the ground. The aircraft crossed the runway end at about 112 knots over the ground.

10:35Well that's all we're going to talk about in terms of reading things out about it because there's been so much in the press anyway. We could really do with Andy back but this point I don't know whether he has a mark but let's let's talk about what's happened so far. It might I mean obviously the biggest tragedy is there were five fatalities that's the starting point and normally when there are fatalities we tend not to talk about things and all speculates about things but there's been so much stuff posted on social media and video evidence about what's gone on and ADSB data. It's just unbelievable that the things that have gone wrong with this approach are multiple and as always with so many aircraft accidents the holes in the Swiss cheese have to line up and they certainly did on this occasion. When Andy comes back on we'll talk about it a lot more but the starting point really is the unstableized approach and then it just goes on and on and on. We've

11:44got descent rates of 1800 feet a minute at one point. We've got a touchdown speed of 162 knots between 30 and 35 knots faster than normal. We've got incorrect landing technique. We've got ground spawler is not deployed. We've got no reverses deployed and we've got the crew changing their mind clearly as to whether they're going around or stopping. I'm not sure it gets any worse than that and frankly speaking as bad as this was it was very lucky that there weren't more than five fatalities because that's a very busy airport and there's always a lot of traffic on the on the approach and on the ring roads. So what do you think guys? I've got the video now. Do you want me to just just put your buzzer video up here? If you're watching that we'll quickly put this on there if you're watching in YouTube the video of... So yeah there we go. This is the video that tells us quite

12:57a bit I think they have the actual approach video you can see if you watch I don't know if you've seen this online you can tell that the aircraft kind of porpoises their nose gear and the right main gear touch but that left-hand gear, Neve, just seems to float float float float for so long down at runway and as we stated on the Blungleerios channel, Neve, about those weight on wheel switches on those the landing bogies on the 7-6 both need to be activated for those spoilers and the air reverse thrust to happen. Let me see all that as well. Yeah. I mean the other thing is what you could say is even after they landed in inverted commas because they didn't really land there was so much energy in that air frame they could have easily gone around. There was plenty of energy to do so even at the point that they had touched down. At the end of day though they should have gone around before they got anywhere near the runway that the aircraft was

13:59clearly not configured properly in terms of being on speed or within stabilized criteria approach which I would imagine on a 7-6-7 is probably having a descent rate of 750 or 800 feet per minute something like that. Not the kind of figures that they had come up with and so I unfortunately it's going to be one of those things where lessons they say lessons will be learned but this is all about crew training and crew coordination and I think the problem is that with this sort of accident there are multiple areas that have gone wrong. I can think of probably 10 things that weren't right about that approach and landing even without going into any detail and it's a real

15:02real problem and you know the runway length is perfectly adequate for a 7-6-7 but you have to touch down within the first third of the runway that is the rule of any correct speed. Yeah absolutely yeah and the aircraft configured correctly in terms of flapsetting and all the rest of it and it's such an easy win to go around isn't it as you said in our chat earlier Nick probably adds 15 minutes 20 minutes to the schedule. Yes but everybody goes home at the end of the day. Yeah I think sometimes I do wonder whether there's this thing of a you know a culture of don't worry guys I've got this and and the pilot wanting to kind of feeling as though they can fly the thing down and get it to where they need to rather than actually thinking do you know what this isn't going right let's just have another go at this and and that's okay as well and that's the saddest thing about this is it's just you know for one far too fast on approach the approach itself was

16:08wobbly should we say for one to have a more technical way of putting it it was up and down the you know the it wasn't it wasn't what you would consider to be a stable approach with a with a proper trajectory and then the land and then the speed over the threshold was way too high so it consequently it floated and floated and floated to the point you know and at that point for me those sort of three things are those are the big three really in terms of that's when it should have been that you know the decision was easy to make that you just go around at that point. The other thing is of course the although the reverses wouldn't made a massive amount of difference the ground spoilers would they would have killed lift over the wing and it's a good wing you know bearing in mind it's you know so relatively old aircraft these days the 767 is a very good wing it keeps flying for a long time and if you are going over the ground at 162 knots that thing is going to want to fly no two ways about it and unless you've had positive

17:09contact with the ground on both main landing gears a bearing mind if you saw that the initial touchdown I mean that was actually the nose gear first at one point which is absolutely no no but notwithstanding that if they haven't got both main landing gears on the deck then the aircraft will not transition from air mode to ground mode if you see what I mean but the weight on wheels switches or whatever that they can do yeah so there was one of the wheels was in contact the other one wasn't and the 76 requires that both of those wheels to be in contact with the ground before it will deploy the spoilers and the thruster versus yeah there's some comment in the chat room about whether the anemas system would have helped and that actually Jason Trustle mentioned it that's the engineering material to a resting system I think that there might

18:10be some discussion about that but at the end of the day you know that thing went off the end of the runway to 112 knots I think it would have just gone straight through it to be honest with you at that sort of speed I agreed so yeah there was there was there was no chance that that would have helped what would have helped would be proper crew briefing and coordination prior to the approach yeah I mean there was some I mean this for me this is this goes back to R.E.F. Northhold years ago where a very similar accident happened where this was a executive jet rather than a anything else but it was yeah touch down halfway down the runway with a tailwind with the crew arguing between the about who was doing what and it went across the the main arterial road into London I know that because I was in the traffic jam that was behind it so Andy is back I'm pleased to say

19:14can you hear us yes I can can you hear me we can yes apologies for that I've had to do a full reset on everything router the lot of but I'm back right so now it's your turn to tell us all about your opinion of what happened um yes I guess we're talking about the Miami incident still yeah lovely um so firstly from all the video footage I've seen they were coming in pretty hot and fast um and nose down attitudes like in the videos suggests excessive speed because normally I have one and a half two degrees nose up on a swept wing aircraft then they fled very high which caused with all the excess energy caused a big flood then they did finally get it down to the runway but it looks like for more the deity it was passed halfway well out of the church down zone so at that point that should have been fire water or go around and start again

20:17it appears to have landed on the rules real first it's because more poor poison then the right being here got down and have you already discussed about how the um the ground switches work on the 76 yes that the weight on wheels uh establishing whether the aircraft is on the ground or flying effectively yeah brilliant and you need both sets of wheels down for that because well because it's an old aircraft now the 767 and then just the delay in braking and then the app the key is decided around and brilliant decision once you commit to it just stick to it but then to chop the power again at that speed that close the end of the runway it was never ever going to end well so that's all enough for the NTS to be at the moment they said the CFBR transcript should be out tomorrow which again should be uh in turn down to operate now oh have I gone again yes um do you want to just

21:23perhaps chop your video for for a short time to see if that helps and let me chop that just for a few minutes whilst you're talking on that that might assist yes this might help a lot um so the NTSB are now looking at the airline as a whole the training um system in the airline as well the experience levels were quite low on the type or the captain had quite a few hours anywhere um but this is where all of the holes in the Swiss cheese have lined up this is not just down to their messing up the approach there is so many of the factors involved in that could be organizational, systematic going along, long way back so it's going to be very interesting to see i wish in the United States they would introduce proper evidence based training and competency based training assessment get away from the task based stuff because competency

22:25is the most important thing in a pilot all the nine competencies that iata and ike or have defined over the years or what make a good pilot and that's what we should be training but i think that's a different discussion about training altogether in the system and how it all works but it's so tragic that all of these people who have died they didn't have to this is completely avoidable this accident yeah i think the other thing is that think about the guard around situation because the thing was coming in so hot anyway there was plenty of energy in the aircraft to achieve a guard around without any problem whatsoever that as i was saying earlier the 767s are a good way and it just keeps flying isn't it so you know yeah well when when the entered the flare it started climbing again yep yep so at that point just throw it away if you're flared too high it's already unstable just bin it and give up and have another goal now that there's also get there right as well which you see in many incidents where it's just like we're just going to get this on the ground and that's it we've got another two sectors to do or whatever so very very dangerous

23:28main set to have but it's still out there um this is that we are going into the area of speculation now i will say that outright what do you think will be the sanctions for the pilots involved if they are proven to be um uh well incompetent which is what it is at the end they grow gross negligence if it's found that it's complete gross negligence and not a systematic so see the their training system in this airline is is fantastic they go and look through everything how they train everything the thing actually know this is really good this is down to pure gross negligence then they'll probably never hold a lot since again but again that's just speculation if it's down to the actual system that they've gone through then can you really hold the pilots fully responsible if that's the way they've been taught to do things and again that's another matter altogether so i think it's going to be quite complex this and also i think there's always a risk of a class action from the the relatives of those who were who've perished as well that's the other

24:33thing against the uh yeah absolutely but from the pilot side as well i know this is just absolutely terrible flying but there must be incredibly traumatized as well from the whole incident and it's going to be difficult for them to put their lives back together as well having survived something like this yeah i think the the only there's no good part to this at all but i'm pleased that the pilots survived it so that they can be interviewed and that the CVR is in good condition as well and that the NTSB are able to download the data from it i think they're talking about tomorrow that there will be a transcript of the CVR made available too yeah that that's what i heard from NTSB as well and you're right because normally when these accidents happen you have a flight data record do you have a cockpit voice recorder but then you can't go and ask anybody anything about why they did it but fortunately these two guys are still here yeah um i'm not for sure what more we

25:40can add to it that we haven't talked about already really so yeah i think it's worth it sorry i missed the start of the conversation that's our handy nice because i think it's worth pointing out guys but there is you know some good bits on the NTSB's website in regards to this where they give a briefing i think there's two briefings on on their youtube page now that goes into some detail but yeah worth a look right next story is coming to us from migflug.com and well andy's favorite story this is and Nick is wearing the appropriate tie for this as well global airlines faces a winding up petition as it's a through 80 sits idle he's still got that hat Andy yeah yeah it feels very safe the moment that hat. Excellent there is an 8 through 80 sitting on in the sun at tarbe in the foot hills or the Pyrenees it's been there since 16th of july last year 2025 it's painted for an

26:46airline as flown four flights in its entire existence holds no air operator certificate and is now defending itself against a petition to have it wound up the aircraft nine hotel gold flima Oscar Bravo Lima the airline is global airlines the british startup founded by a holiday swap entrepreneur James Asquith which promised a fleet of four superjumboes and a new kind of transatlantic travel on september the fourth aerotel agrarter reported that a creditor has asked a UK court to liquidate the company it's not the first such petition it may be the most awkwardly timed global airlines entire operating history fits into a week in the on the 15th of May 2025 the 8 through 80 flew Glasgow to New York JFK under a damp lease with high fly molter it sat at JFK for four days and flew back to Glasgow on the 19th of May then operated a one-off Manchester to New York service

27:50on the 21st of May and returned that was it for transatlantic sectors the aircraft went to Dresden for maintenance and then on to Tabe for storage where it has stayed the reason it has not moved since it's mister is not mysterious and Asquith have been open about it the aircraft is due its 12 year heavy check there are few places on earth that can perform the heavy maintenance on an a through 80 and the queue is long according to the UK official journal the Gazette a petition to wind up global airlines limited was filed on the 29th of May this year by Jessica Huffman Reese a US based claimant whose asserts she is a creditor for the company she is represented by law firm Veda Price a firm whose specialisms include aviation finance the story was first reported by the portal DJ's aviation two hearings were listed on the 15th of July and the 2nd of September nothing

28:54have been published about what happened to either there's was reportedly a similar petition back in 2025 that was withdrawn and the dedications are another in March 2026 that was also withdrawn it's worth being precise about what this means a winding up petition sits inside in solvency law because that is the legal framework such applications are made under it's not a it's self-decloration that the company is in solven and no insolvency filing for global airlines appears and the public record in the UK company register shows no new entries since a personal change back in May meanwhile the promise keeps coming at the end of June 2026 ask with laid out three objectives to get the aircraft flying again before the end of the year and add a second aircraft and route between the UK and the Maldives as early as September the 8th or 8th is still parked at Tava's airport

29:55so there we go your hat is safe that aircraft will never leave Tava yeah it is there forever now and we'll be scrapped there and all of my hats are glad that I'm not having to cover them in peanut butter or something like that to digest them what do you think Nick you obviously got the palo shirt to or the the sweatshirt as you say to um you know show this thing yeah so I'm well I wouldn't say that I'm showing my support for global but um yeah so I'm happily wearing my global hoodie this evening it's it's a very nice quality piece of merchandise and I'm very happy with it it's keeping me nice and warm um I think possibly it's it's one of the the only good things about their organization in fact I did have to chase them up twice in order to get an update on delivery and it did take a very long time to actually arrive um so maybe that tells you all you

30:58need to know um I don't know it's kind of it's a bit of a sad state of affairs because I get quite excited about the idea of us having a new airline and having something that's kind of you know it could be this sort of underdog airline that does cheap flights and and you know I find that quite exciting and I like to think that you know they could make it work but the whole thing is just bamboozled me from start to finish to be honest with you I mean you know we're really not seeing um a three eighties being operated in in this manner um yeah so to choose one to operate and do a couple of flights on it when they know that um it's due a really big service and they can't get that service done it's just I don't know it's it's this some like weird tax fiddler or something I'm not sure what's going on yeah if you were going to do it why not use a 330 or something like that you know they're a more popular cheaper air frame more places you can mint it in it why go for

32:05something like the three eighty they may have got it at a steal but like you said knowing that that that's it that check was coming up and the queue is many many years long to get it done I just I don't get the whole enterprise which is why I flippantly said I'll eat my hat if I didn't get any or see because it just never gonna happen yeah it's a bit of a shame it's um I just I would love to know kind of what it was all about was this just a publicity stunt for James Asquith was this some sort of get rich quick scheme I don't know I just I don't get it I don't understand what all the fuss was about well the flight was full of youtubers that's what the flight consisted of the first one is none of them were company the entry hmm that I mean it were they were pretty cheap tickets weren't they I think it was something like was it 400 quid each way to go to New York so it was yeah pretty tempting do you think this was just a massive ego trip maybe an expensive one but yeah that's the bit I don't get you know like have an ego trip

33:11yeah but not at the cost of millions of pounds I mean you know I feel like James Asquith is not not a daft man like there was something in it for him something other than publicity surely well he's got a very big A through A he can play with now but it's not even his though is it is leased because it's still a what's the sorry what's the wet least company I forgot their name now oh high fly yeah is it I'm thinking I'm right in saying aren't I it's their aircraft no no he he owns it but it's on the multi-s register and the wet least agreement is basically the flight crew and cabin crew operate it for him right so they kind of act as a middleman I suppose in as much as they've got a kind of an operator certificate that allows them to fly

34:14the aircraft is that right yeah so technically high fly releasing that aircraft from him to make it work on paper for your seaways and providing the crew and the um the cabin crew for it as well yeah maybe he's maybe he's hoping that the value of used A380s might mean that he can make a nice bit of money back when he sells it for scrap that's about what he's gonna do and he you were mentioning A330 earlier next story is for you yes that was a lovely little segue um so Airbus is slowing A330 deliveries after straight object found an aircraft Airbus being forced to slow deliveries of the A330 Neojet after a straight tool was discovered in the tail section of an aircraft in production the person familiar with the matter said we confirm we recently identified an isolated quality issue on an

35:18A330 horizontal tailplim the company said in an emailed statement this led us to inspect A330s in the production process slowing down monthly deliveries over the summer the route causes identified an A330 deliveries have resumed Bloomberg news first reported the quality laps and resulting delays Airbus delivered Noia 330 aircraft in June or July and Airbus dated to be published next week is expected to show that one A330 was delivered in August out of a total of 57 jets the person familiar with the matter said the problem involved the tool was discovered inside the aircraft structure and came to light during pre-delivery inspection the horizontal tailplim which controls the aircraft's nose angle is made in Airbus as Spanish facilities Airbus did not say whether the air where the aircraft was when the object was either left behind or discovered the discovery is not related to a recent state of strikes at Spanish plants the person said the risk of foreign object damage which can include anything from tools to rags left in the wrong place during production or

36:18maintenance as prompted recurring industry wide campaigns to account especially for loose objects manufacturers are increasingly using arfield or internet connected technology to keep tabs on tools and other kit in a report last month on a maintenance lapse on an aircraft audience service the Australian transport safety bureau has said Ford can pose a significant risk to save operation of aircraft well i think it's really good that airbus stops deliveries to check these to make sure that it wasn't something common across all of the world through a construction at the time what do you guys think yeah no i completely agree i think it's um you know identifying this problem early on or when it came to light was a very good thing so that means that the stuff has actually gone off the production line and into service but so yeah RFID technology is very good for this sort of thing because you can actually pin something down and find out where it is so yeah that's an interesting

37:25thing to think about i must say so yeah i hope that happens many issues as bowings had in the last you know year or so with bits or years or so with bits being left in air craft that'd be awful do you think that maybe for such a large complex assembly that it's almost inevitable that we will hear about stories like this from time to time yeah it happens obviously it happens it has happened it's happened to both manufacturers it could have happened to other manufacturers as well that it just hasn't made it into the news obviously i don't think airbus wanted this out in the news but somebody's let it out there i think having it worked in manufacturing myself i remember having a conversation with a production engineer years ago saying that when you designed stuff for manufacture you have to make it essentially i don't like using the phrase but you have to make it idiot proof because if there is the potential for somebody to

38:31do something wrong or put something in back to front or leave something out or you know if they can do it they probably will do it at some point and yeah maybe they're even with the most robust processes in place that you know sometimes like this sometimes things like this do unfortunately it occur Neil Lamwell makes a gift for me at the aircraft sorry Andy go well so you have to make an aircraft idiot proof for the two at the front as well as another problem yes see story number one yeah Neil was saying in a chatroom about a shadow board for the tools like having a you know you know i think most you know what a shadow board is like for a workshop i'm surprised i don't have something similar yeah would do that when talking about the offered with the offered technology and all of that so that they know which tools have left the store which ones haven't gone back in so it's

39:34something they should be checking all the time a shadow board's very old fashioned way of doing it in the modern era but it works well it would work if they didn't leave the tools in the aircraft anyway right Nick next story for you and interesting one this week with interesting pictures yeah so i'm sure many of us will have seen some of the images being circulated quite widely about this one this comes from metro.co.uk a state agent fired after racist and homophobic outburst saw him duct tape to seat on American Airlines flight a man who has pictured duct tape to his seat following a racist and homophobic outburst on a flight has been fired. Arthur Lundin 67 used the N word against a member of cabin crew on American Airlines flight 618 from Dallas to Newark on Thursday he also made homophobic remarks and when he bit a fellow passenger flight

40:42attendants decided to restrain him using tape and cable ties but women on the aircraft tried to help but when he allegedly pushed her three other men intervened to help tie him down. Juan Meier a retired police officer on a flight home from a gun show only in America said just like a light switch all of a sudden it went from quiet to yelling and chaos. He and fellow passenger Richard Olinick were two of the men who helped restrain Mr Lundin. The flight was diverted to Baltimore Washington International Airport where Lundin was arrested by Maryland Transportation Authority police. The force said that the incident is being investigated by the FBI and Lundin was treated for an open wound to his arm as well as being charged with second degree assault and disorderly conduct. It has since emerged that he has lost his job as vice president of Long Realty in Tucson. Kevin Kaplan CEO of parent organization Long Company said while

41:47estate agents are independent contractors the appropriate conduct of anyone associated with Long Realty is paramount to us to that end the individual in question is no longer associated with the company. American Airlines said the safety and security of our customers and team members is our top priority and we do not tolerate violence we thank our team members for their professionalism and our customers for their understanding. Lundin was released with a no cash bail and will face trial on the 19th of October. I think here at PTUK we probably would all like to think that these types of incidents should result in more strict repercussions from both the airlines and judicial systems and I think we're actually beginning to find that that seems to be the case with fines occurring and banned from airlines and even airlines themselves kind of looking to recover

42:52costs when they've had to divert. That's if the person in question can pay the fines because I think as much as you can you can give someone a hefty fine it's actually if they're going to pay it going forward or whether it ever gets paid especially if those fines run into the thousands of dollars or pounds. Well hopefully it's a deterrent as well though. Yeah I was just thinking about and this the other day I'd be interested to know your opinions and chaps. There was some assistance from the passengers here as well. If something like this had kicked off on your flight and you were in flying as a passenger would you have put yourself forward to assist the cabin crew? No thanks. And yeah I'm sort of with Nick on this one it's not something I want to get involved in. I think perhaps if I was traveling with my children I would do everything to protect myself from

43:57my children from from harm but yeah I'm not looking to get involved in somebody else's violent outbursts. I think the issue perhaps is faced by the crew that they are the ones on the front line in this situation and you know their job is there to provide a safety role and not one of having to disarm people that are acting in an aggressive manner so yeah it puts them in a very difficult situation I think. Although I think there is a case for them cooperating some passengers that might be able to help them in particularly violent struggle perhaps. But yeah I'm not sure whether I would or not. Perhaps when I was going through my angry phase about 20 years ago I might have done but maybe not now but you know you never know do you? It's a good comment in the chat room.

45:01I was just going to see as well it just depends on what level they're taking this to and if I thought it was a threat to me I guess then I might have to intervene as well. But it's a tricky one and the British don't really want to get involved in stuff like that it seems ingredient in us to step away from it and just go or let the place do with him. Yep keep our heads down and then stay out of trouble. He says and if I had a rugby team I'd like Jonathan Warner to be in it as well. He says I'd have him pinned on the floor in seconds either. Also if my family were there. He's a big lad as well I wouldn't mess with him. Good comment from Richard Adams for you now. Where does he say that? This is the last one. Oh Bet you would if yes he'd been trying to grab one eight well I'm not out in one eight anymore.

46:01I'm afraid that's those days are long behind me that's gold members only now. Yeah I think it all depends on the situation but yeah I think I think if I'm a cabin crew I would always be on the lookout for a fit gentleman that might be able to help me in a situation if something did kick off. I think that would be a good thing to do. It's a shame we've even got to think about it but that's what I would do if I was cabin crew. Perhaps I need to install Briggs in aircraft. Neve. Well yeah yeah yeah and then charge from the premium for being thrown in the Briggs. Yeah. Oh dear I know anyway moving on Neve it's safe to say it's been a very busy last couple of days here in the UK and Europe. Yes more flight delays I'm afraid and you will

47:08have seen all about this if you're following the news it's on the guardian.com and everywhere you want to look as well all about NAT's national air traffic services and the head of the air traffic control provider NAT has been given a week to report back on the reasons for the technical failure that has disrupted thousands of flights since Tuesday so that was yesterday wasn't it. Downing Street said that the government had still had confidence in that chief executive Martin Rolf who was summoned to meet the UK Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander on Wednesday morning this morning as the number of flight cancellations passed two thousands. Rolf has been facing increasing pressure to quit after the third large-scale stoppage two flights in just over three years. Hundreds of thousands of passengers had their travel disrupted and delayed with many stuck on grounded planes for many hours as the incident unraveled. Other passengers were stranded overnight at airports in the UK and abroad. Heidi Alexander raised significant concerns with Rolf according to

48:13the Prime Minister's official spokesman who told reporters she's asked him to carry out a full investigation into what happened to make sure that lessons are learned so this doesn't happen they added it's self-evident that if she wants answers and the full investigation to be reported back in a week's time and she's got the confidence in him to deliver that. Pressed on whether the government's confidence in the head of air traffic control was conditional on the investigation the spokesman replied we have confidence in him and he's been tasked with the investigation which will report in a week's time. Well airlines including Ryanair and Whizair have called for Rolf to resign or be sacked by Alexander. Rolf earlier ruled out a cyber attack as the cause for the technical issue at air traffic control and defended the resilience of the systems run by NATS which provides services to 15 UK airports. Now we will be doing a very thorough and full investigation he told BBC Radio 4s today program we have at this point ruled out a cyber attack

49:15NATS says the problem occurred in its flight processing system but was not the same fault as those that caused attitudes and mass destruction in 2023 and 2025. However Ryanair queered the explanation and said lessons had not been learned. The carrier which on Tuesday said that more than 65 thousands of passengers had been disrupted when 50 flights were cancelled said it had now cancelled more than 250 flights and its costs would run into millions. Well the airlines chief executive Michael O'Leary said Martin Rolf's position as NATS CEO is untenable. We don't need any more investigations we don't need more reports and we don't need another parliamentary committee hearing where Martin Rolf will promise change or promise resilience and will promise an effective backup system. He said that the UK's air traffic control service was one of the most expensive in Europe and yet keeps repeatedly failing. O'Leary said Alexander should today demand that failing Martin Rolf must quit. My screen just jumped there. Sorry about that.

50:27And or be dismissed. Yeah he must be quite a little dismissed. If on Moynihan the managing director of Wizzair UK called on Rolf to consider resigning in any industry when you've had three failures you need to consider three strikes on your out. She told her to say program. A third time and a third excuse is not enough anymore. What we need to see is from is from leadership is accountability. Look, Pethelbridge director of public affairs at the Travel Association Abbess said whilst the immediate priority is supporting customers the industry in the public will want answers as to what has gone wrong, what lessons are being learned and how the system will be made more resilient to avoid this happening again. Wow. It's a problem because obviously social media lights up with all of these problems and difficulties. We've got people blaming British airways, we've got people blaming Ryan air, we've got people blaming EasyJet. It is not the airlines fault.

51:32It's the systems fault. It's the providers fault. So where do we go from here? And we were just talking off air actually before the show started. The word compensation is being banded around. But I have a real problem in seeing where this compensation is going to come from and who's responsible for paying it because the airlines won't be paying it. That's for sure. Nats have no culpability in any of this when it comes to paying money which I find in sin. The government needs to be telling them if this happens again then it's at your cost or nationalize it again. But you said before we went live, Nev, that you heard from B.A. in regards to your flight to to Jersey already. Not about compensation but you've obviously been offered something.

52:37Oh well yeah. They're not going to be catering the plane tomorrow basically. So they're offering I don't know if it's just business class passengers or the whole flight but they're offering me at least 20 pounds if I want to buy food and drink in the airport as there won't be anything on board the aircraft. I wouldn't bother about that to be honest with you. I'll just have something to eat in the lounge before I get on the aircraft. But so yeah it's not just the passengers and the crews and everybody else bearing in mind how many aircraft and crews were affected by this in terms of being out of position or being out of hours as well. That was the other thing. So we will see. I think tomorrow looks a bit more promising. I think today they did cancel the flight that I would have been on if I'd gone today first thing in the morning to Jersey but hopefully tomorrow's flight is going to be okay. But you'll take a couple more days for it to all to wash out and get things back to where they were. That's for sure. Max, I was going to ask Andy that

53:44finally enough. Never how long does he or do you think that will take this situation to kind of get back to some normality? Well let's see if you're you're hearing this because my internet is starting to play up again. It takes several days. The L&A work for we had about 30 aircraft out of place and it takes time to sort all of that and sort the crews out and of course all the backlog and passengers as well. It's normally not kind of a couple of days and we've got over like 370 aeroplanes now. So it takes a lot of work and a lot of time. And like you said with the compensation thing, yeah. Good luck with that. I might get a bag of pretzels. There you go. We'll see what happens. I don't even think they get that. Next story comes to us from DJ Z Aviation. Good news for Andy. I think this is one of your favourite aircraft Andy. The Airbus A300

54:48making a comeback possibly. The Airbus A300 is making a comeback with Iran Air preparing to restore the two A300-600s to service as it expands its routes. The carrier which has long battle with Western restrictions hopes to return to East Asia after more than a decade away under a plan it wants the A300 to be pivotal in making it happen. Tahir Abduhale, the chief executive at Iran Air said a return to East Asia services is possible in the short term but it will need support from additional Airbus aircraft before scheduled flights can come can truly commence. Iran Airs proposed return to East Asia after more than a decade would represent a significant network shift despite long-standing Western sanctions. Those sanctions have prevented network expansion not just by blocking route launches but also by denying Iran Air

55:52access to aircraft models needed to do so profitability and by restructuring support and maintenance. The airline is now working to remove some of the operational obstacles that have previously prevented these services and if it succeeds it will reinstate service to East Asia as soon as possible. While Iran Air has made it clear that it wants to resume schedule services to East Asia with the return of two additional Airbus A300s configured to seat 265 passengers. Adelaide said the plan has yet to be finalised. The relaunch of services to this region and reactivation of the old Airbus aircraft will depend on many factors including the aircraft reliability following the return to service, slot rights and high ground handling will work and whether the proposed routes are commercially viable. While Iran Air has also expressed interest in North Africa none of this can happen if it cannot reactivate the A330-600s as intended even with slot rights and demand. These 265c aircraft

57:02offer more capacity than the average in our body and suit longer international sectors but sanction still heavily constrain their operation. As Iran Air plans to return to East Asia the return of the Airbus A300 has become one of the more fascinating propositions as it was Airbus first production aircraft and has since been up superseded by several later generations of wide body aircraft. The A300 while not extinct now flies primarily as a freighter with passenger operations limited to a small number of airlines. Iran Air's plan is therefore unusual. It is returning to A300-600s to passenger service rather than freighter operations. DHL is positioned as the largest A300 operator with freight fleet across its European Express network through European Air Transport Leapzig, ASL, Airlines, Ireland and Solenair. The A300 fleet while still flying

58:03today isn't surprising where needed the given that the freighters often see their operational lives far exceed passenger types. However the passenger market is a different story rising filled costs decades ago, maintenance requirements and the limited number of spare parts in the market all mattered and they pushed the model out of the fleet years ago. The 767 and A330 also helped push the airlines away from the A300 and airlines on Airplacing noseplanes. Therefore the A300 returning to Iran Air for East Asia flights is not just a milestone in rebuilding the route but also a return of an Airbus model from an earlier era and a passenger jet no longer in use. So there we go the A300. I hope you didn't think you'd see this back in here again. What do you think Andy being the Airbus Connoisseur amongst us? The title is mislead and making a comeback. Iran Air has got quite a few A300s that are currently

59:04stuck for parts etc. I think there's a spinoid mistake in there as well because there's no such model as the A330-300. There's a few other airlines in Iran with some interest in aircraft as well. Myhan Air has got some A340-300s. I mean these guys will fly Iran Air. We're flying around 747 SPs until not that many years ago as well. So they really do rely on some very old equipment. Where they're probably getting spare parts for these from is probably from their ally Russia. They've probably been able to source bits and pieces but I do think it's interesting that this is the aircraft they want to use on those routes. So maybe it works for them or if they've looked at the economics of it or whatever. Well yeah I'm going to be great to see them again but they've got a lot of other things going on in that part of the world at the moment as well. Did you have a sample of 300? Never in your years of flying? Well the nearest I got was Swiss Air A310 from Heathrow to Zurich. They used to use that

1:00:06quite extensively on that route back in the mid 80s I think. That was 1986-87 doing a lot of flying to and from Switzerland at that time. So I quite like the A310 actually. Nice aircraft. Very roomy inside. Very good. Andy, moving to you for the next story and you're like this now. This is these seats look awesome. Andy, you're getting in the posh seats. Yes this is to Emirates and Vils electrically powered premium economy seats on the A350. Emirates is introduced what it says is the world's first electrically powered premium economy seat featuring a full height adjustable privacy screen between every passenger. The new seats are being introduced on the airlines newly delivered A350 aircraft as part of its latest investment in its premium economy cabin. Emirates said the design gives passengers greater control over their personal space while adding comfort and privacy on longer flights. The A350 economy, so premium economy cabin has 20 seats arranged in a 232 configuration. Each seat is 20 inches wide

1:01:12and offers up to 39 inches of pitch. A full height electric private divider can be raised between passengers providing greater separation from neighboring seats. Emirates describe the feature as the first of its kind in a premium economy cabin. The seats can also be reclined into a cradle position without significantly affecting the passengers seated behind, allowing travelers to sleep or relax more comfortably during the flight. The introduction of the new cabin is also expanding access to Emirates latest premium economy product in Africa. The airline is currently operating A350 services with premium economy between Dubai and Antebia, Tunis and Cape Town with daily flights on the routes. Passengers traveling from other African destinations can connect through Dubai to A350 operate services serving destinations across Asia, Europe and Australia. The expansion gives more travelers from the continent access to Emirates newest long haul cabin product. Emirates premium economy product is designed to sit between its economy and business class cabins offering additional space and privacy without the higher cost of the business class ticket.

1:02:15The cabin includes region-spied meals, a selection of premium wines and amenity kits, along with Emirates onboard service. The passengers also have access to more than 6,500 channels of film, television programs, music, podcasts and games to the airline's ICE in flight entertainment system. The airline said the combination of increased space, improved privacy, enhanced dining and service is intended to appeal to both business and leisure travelers on short and long haul journeys. The latest T350 cabin forms part of Emirates, twider fleet and product investment programme with the airline continue to introduce newer aircraft and upgraded interiors across its network. Very jazzy. It does look nice. Don't you think looking at this seat, for those who watch in the YouTube or the center, it's supposed to be a pretty premium economy seat, but I would say that it's very, very very close to a very good business class.

1:03:16What do you think, Neve? I think there are similarities there. They look like a standard good job. It's on the A350s isn't it? They're going to put them. No, I think it looks very very swish. I don't know who you are. Do anything that triggers to lie flat properly, isn't it? Yeah. I don't know who does their cabin interior, styling and design, but Emirates seem to have someone very good at their job when it comes to these the cabins and the seats. Well, money is no object. That is true. Nick, you have got the next one back in the UK for this one. Yeah. So this one is from adsadvance.co.uk and the headline is cAA backs plan to open UK airspace to stratospheric aircraft as a new generation of ultra high aircraft moves

1:04:17closer to commercial deployment. The UK aviation sector is addressing a key challenge how to integrate them safely into existing airspace. A new program backed by the cAA aims to create the blueprint for routine stratospheric operations from UK airports. Cambridge based world mobile stratospheric or WMS supported by airspace specialists NVARO and tracks international has secured funding for the cAA's airspace modernisation strategy support fund to deliver project strata which is the stratospheric airspace traffic architecture. The seven month program running from September 2026 to April 2027 will define high altitude aircraft or sorry, we'll define how high high high let me start that again.

1:05:19It will define how high altitude aircraft can operate routinely and safely alongside today's air traffic. After more than a decade of development, high altitude platforms like WMS's stratomas are approaching routine operation and UK airspace needs to be ready. Stratomas is a liquid hydrogen powered remotely piloted high altitude platform designed for ultra long endurance, station keeping operations at approximately 60,000 feet above conventional air traffic delivering wide area direct to device 4G and 5G mobile connectivity. Stratomas will also offer earth observation and sensing capabilities. The program builds on more than 100 million pounds of development today and successful demonstrations including the world's first 5G calls from the stratosphere.

1:06:23But at present there's no routine way for such aircraft to reach the stratosphere from UK airports. Project strata will produce an airspace and air traffic management integration blueprint and road map to set out the procedures, technologies, data services and coordination arrangements needed for routine high altitude operations in UK airspace. This project endorsed by NATS, the UK's navigation service provider that we've been hearing about will engage regulators, airports, airlines, general aviation and the military. Its outputs will be shared by the CA, NATS and the wider industry giving every future UK high altitude operator a head start. Stratomas will also examine whether stratospheric platforms could be used to strengthen the wider aviation sector by relaying ADSB surveillance signals to improve coverage and safety for

1:07:25all airspace users. It's quite a long article so I think I'm going to leave it there. But interesting to read about that. Obviously from the point of view of most commercial aviation, what are we going to see Andy? Maybe 42,000 feet might be about the top that anyone would get up to. If 42, 43 in a big jet. And then maybe military, it would have to be something pretty specialist to go any higher than that. Light sort of G-Ear jets can go up to 45 towards 50 as well. But operating should be pretty safe. There's a good degree of separation. I get the impression that these are going to be relatively static in terms of operating around one area and more

1:08:27less staying put. So there should be fairly predictable in terms of where they're going to be. I think it's really cool. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. We seem to have filled up the area around our planet with lots of satellites. Now we're going to be filling out the airspace as well. Yeah, there's fairly atmosphere with everything now. Yeah, we're running out of space. All those business jets. Right, moving on, Nev, to the next story. It's safe to say it's been a busy week on the news front with aviation this week. Yes, you could say that. That's not my video. It's just a goff. Yes, a bit more handling lessons required, I would say. Let me just see if I can find the story just one second. Yes, it's on that report.az. It says that Indigo Plane hits pole during parking. It's throwing a airport. Well, the upright metal pole

1:09:30went sideways as an Indigo Plane ran into it during parking at the airport in India. Reports informed fire NDTV. The flight operating from Navai Mumbai to Stringer got into the accident whilst being positioned at bay number six at the airport at 9am. Indigo flight six echo 225 operating from Mumbai to Stringer on September the fourth came in contact with a parking stand pole during parking after safely landing at the airport. The airline said in a statement, all passengers crew are safe and no injuries have been reported. Passengers and crew were safely deported using manual aircraft stairs. All customers and crew are safe and have been deployed. In line with established protocols, they said the relevant authorities were immediately informed and together we are investigating the matter. The aircraft has been grounded for necessary maintenance and will resume operations after securing required clearances. The airline said

1:10:35meanwhile airport operations remain normal with flight arrivals and departures continuing as per schedule. The airline underlined that the safety and security of its customers and staff are its topmost priority. Not the first time this has happened. I seem to remember the B-A-747400 in Johannesburg or was it Cape Town? Are you thinking about the one that went through a building? Oh yeah well yes that was a bit more major wasn't it? Yes but yes yeah that I've got but also it's not the opening sequence to airplane. Oh my goodness, getting that mixed up. Yeah well yes so I have a question. Don't normally, isn't there normally either a member of the ground crew who will be marshalling

1:11:35the aircraft or some sort of lighting for the crew to have a look at which tells them their proximity to where they should be parking? Yes so there's normally either a marshler with these buttons guiding you in or a guidance system which come in various forms or there can be self-positioning stands as well. Regardless of all of those systems or people or self-positioning ultimately the pilot in command is responsible for if it hits something and as it's indigo this will have been a 320-21 simulator. So each side of the fuselage you've got about 12 meters of wings. You've always got to have in your mind that when you look out the window you need to have 12 meters minimum clearance from everything around you and you start to build a percent over the years of flying that what that clearance is and if you're not sure just stop don't plow on. That's the main thing

1:12:38because even marshlers get it wrong. They could be marshing you onto the wrong line as well. Could this have been a break issue Andy with the aircraft? Perhaps I wanted to stop but just couldn't. No because I expect sort of a parking stand pull whatever one of those is. No it could be a supportive which is carried on and hit it. It doesn't really see if the wing hit it, the nose the aircraft hit it, you know where it was hit. It was right on the nose Andy. Oh was it. Sorry I completely missed that bit. I mean it was right outside the seat window. Oh okay yeah so possibly that could have been a break failure or the switch for the brick feeling which can happen on the air bus because ultimately all you do when you put the part

1:13:39brick on is flipping a switch. It's not a direct link to a brick system. Okay so the aircraft could actually have been already parked but then it could have been a failure of the parking brake. That actually makes quite a lot of sense. Yes and there are set proceeds for when you turn the parking brick on you're supposed to look at the the triple indicator to ensure that the the needles have gone up to show that the bricks are engaged and I have fact had it a few weeks back when I was flying out of Luton where I turned the switch and I looked at them and nothing happened. So you keep your feet on the tour bricks until those needles move up. So I just turned it back off put it back on again and it worked. So it was just needed to clean that switch so I got the engineers out to have a look at it. Right yeah okay sounds sounds like a plausible solution there. Yeah so not following procedures properly. Oops. Right last story comes just from simple flying

1:14:43this week and I've got quite an interesting video to pop on after this little short video. British Airways 787 emergency sliding flights onto a catering truck in Montreal. So British Airways 787-10 Dreamliner had a longer layover than planned at Montreal Trudeau International Airport in the Canadian province of Quebec. After one of its emergency slides was accidentally deployed while on the ground. Forage of the after after the incident has since emerged on social media with the slide having collided with the catering truck upon inflation. While the aircraft had only slightly behind schedule in Canada its return flight was delayed by several hours as a result of this unfortunate occurrence. They're also knock on effects onto the 787s following flights with one rotation having to be cancelled and another operating with the delay of several hours. British Airways flights in question BA-9-4 is a daily service from Montreal back to its main hub

1:15:49at London Heathrow Airport. Historical tracking data made available from flight radar 24 showed that on Friday the 4th of September it was operated by a 787-10 Dreamliner registered as Gulf Zulu Bravo Lima Alpha. The aircraft had arrived in Montreal 20 minutes behind schedule on the inbound BA-9 flight, touching down at 8.35 local time. It was then supposed to leave Montreal at 10pm that same evening for its overnight return led back to London. However, as reported by Metro, its departure was delayed when during the turnaround its left rear evacuation slide was accidentally inflated coming into contact with an adjacent catering truck. A BA spokesperson told Metro that a technical error caused the deployment and that they added that the be apologise to customers for delayed on the journey. Our teams worked hard to get them on the way as quick as possible. No injuries were reported by the dramatic deployment and the aftermath of which can be seen in the video on the story itself. However, it did

1:16:54consider the delay and already tight turnaround. A mostly evacuation slides as we all know are designed, as their names suggest, to only be used in the most extreme of circumstances, such as an accidental deployment and can be an expensive time-consuming issue to resolve. So if you're watching on the YouTube's, I've got a little video here to play for you, which you might find interesting. I'll pop that on for you so you can watch that right now. Every British Airways aircraft has evacuation slides. There's 777-200 at Catwick, have 8. When the cabin crew activate the door, they'll put the door to automatic, they'll move the main handle 180 degrees. At that point the emergency power assist system will take over it, will fire the squib, the nitrogen pressure in the bottle will power open the door, the slide pack will fall off and then the inside will inflate within six seconds.

1:18:00If that doesn't inflate, then there is an emergency handle on a Velcro tab which we can pull, and that is our last dip to defend at deploying the pressure from the slide bottle. The slides get checked on on a most daily basis to make sure there's pressure in the slide bottle and the e-pass bottle which is the emergency power assist door opening. Doors to automatic manual and crosscheck are the positions the door needs to be in prior to taking off and landing so that they can be used in an emergency. Crosschecking is a way of making sure that the doors are put in the required positions when we want them, i.e. we don't want them to be armed when they're going on, taxing on them, stand. Some of the slides are angled away from the aircraft, particularly rain the number two doors on a triple-seven for emergency egress close to the engines because we don't want the physical hazard area. There you go, what do you think about that, Neve, the BA slide action? Well, yes, I hope not to have to use one of those, but I think it did quite well to only take three and a half hours to get that aircraft

1:19:05air-worthy again. That's pretty good for repacking a slide, I would have thought. I was wondering about this actually, I don't know if it's a question that Andy might be able to answer. I'm assuming, because it was interesting in that video, you could see the way that the slide effectively drops out of the kind of pod at the bottom of the door as the door opens. Presumably, those slide packs can simply be replaced rather than trying to repack the one that's inflated. Yeah, they probably spent an hour trying to find an airline there that was willing to give the Maspir one, probably from Air Canada or something like that, because they've got seven-eight sevens, then the time is just taking, getting rid of the old one, inspect on the side of the aircraft to make sure there is no damage. Then they go in pretty easy, they're in that, the bustle at the bottom of the door, as you can take the cover off slide them in, attach them all up as they need to be. There's all arm and disarmament does. When you arm them, it basically attaches the

1:20:10slide to the underside of the door, so that if you do have to open the door and emergency, then it basically pulls it out of that bustle and pulls the cords to the inflate it. When you disarm it, it just removes the mechanism from the floor so that it can open up. So yeah, so it doesn't take them a massive amount of time, so that's probably why they got it turned around so quick. And then what's left of the slide will have been taken away and been repacked. I'm guessing in your training, Andy, you've had the chance to go down a slide a few times. Oh yeah, yeah, I've been down a slide plenty of times, yeah. It's very high actually, even the Trinum ones, very high. And you go down them quick, you don't have to shoot off the bottom. And you mustn't forget to take your high heels off, Andy. I keep getting taught off every time I go on them, nicotine them off, I always forget. Oh, whatever next, Nev. Right, over to you, Nev. We are going to bring you the next part of the show.

1:21:12Yes, of course, the show would not be complete without Retro airline ad of the week. And this week, it's all about British Airways, I'm pleased to say. And back to 1985, where we see just how super the cabin crew are, then it's a short rewind back to 1981, and to a time when BA would do anything for you. So, let me get you on. I've got a picture catch. Like this. Your case, sir. What you, I must fly.

1:22:19Over the last two years, everyone of British Airways has been trained in the art of putting people first. We seem to be taking it to heart. One of British Airways is the world's favorite airline. Other airlines fly to Britain, I'm told, but they can't possibly match our British Airways service. We'll do anything for your smile, anything. That's our style, anything for you. We're British, you know, drinks and super clever free, anything. See to why do now, I see. Anything, the first class sleepers eat for me, anything. Buckingham Palace, but eat. Well, almost anything. Anything for you. We'll take more care of you. There we go. What do you think of them, and they've been the B.A.M.A here? Yeah, very received pronunciation accent that's going on. They're on there because it was back in the 80s,

1:23:21I suppose. But yeah, well, those were the days when BA was the world's favorite airlines, and a fairytale airline, how things have changed over the years, sadly. Still good to see some of those retro airlines, although I think the quality of the first one, the VHS tracking knob needs to be tweaking, isn't it? Yeah, I'm glad I found those. I'm getting to that stage now, Neve, where I, it's getting tough to find new ones. Trust me. Yeah, definitely. Right, there'll be more of that next week, all being well. Nick, over to you for the competition. Yes, indeed. We've been running this for a few weeks now, and obviously I was away last week, so I guess you guys would have asked the competition question in my absence. But yeah, so as Carlos is showing on screen now, I've got the copy right here, ready to go in a

1:24:27jiffy bag off to its new owner. So yeah, we've been running a competition. The book is Midnight Fly Boys by Bruce Henderson. Tonight, Neve is going to get his special hat out and have a good old rummage for us. So just to remind you quickly, this is the story of the American bomber crews, who used the B-24 Liberator bombers to drop supplies and personnel behind enemy lines in occupied France. The operation began in early 1944, and it was extremely helpful in supplying resistance forces with equipment and contributed hugely towards the D-Day efforts, as well as providing support for fighting against the occupying forces. So as well as dropping supplies and equipment, the bomber crews also parachuted in personnel to assist with those resistance efforts. So my question for the competition was what were the men and women called

1:25:32who were dropped from the bombers? And the answer to that is they were called Joe's and Josephines. So we now need Neve to have a right-old rummage around and see which name he can come out with. Oh, yes, I have my A350 hat here, as always, and we had a lot of answers, but only three correct answers. So there's only three of the correct answers that are in this hat. So I shall have a rummage around and then pick one out. So, oh, and the winner is Kelly Furlong. So that's going to go all the way to the United States this book. So I hope you got some good number of stamps, Nick. And I've got a pack of first-class stamps here. I'm not sure. Yeah, I've only got two in there. I don't know if it's that going to be enough. You might

1:26:33need some more than that. But we met Kelly, of course, at the 600th show. Thank you for coming, Kelly. And that book is all yours, sir. We shall find a way of getting it to you easily as soon as we can. But thank you very much for entering the competition and many congratulations for winning. Yeah, that's fantastic. So, yeah, Kelly, please get in touch. I have actually got your email address because we corresponded a little bit before the 600th episode that get together that you came to. Yeah, so I will perhaps drop you an email later and we'll figure something out. Now, I should also say that next week we will have another book to give away. It's a really good one. And yeah, you should definitely tune in for that. So keep watching next week for another book competition. Excellent news. We're giving away things here on the show. Right, up next, it's a special video that has not been sent into as well, not by a listener, but by a host. Well done, Nick.

1:27:39On a recent trip to the Canary Islands, Nick, our very own Nick calling took a day trip from Grand Canaria to La Palma using a regional airline, Binta Canarias. He took some short videos throughout his trip and to give us a little insight into flying on an ATR 72-600, what regional flying is like in that part of the world and his reflections on how the PTUK got him there. So we are going to head over now to our roving reporter, our very own Nick Coddling. Here we go. Good morning PTUK. I'm coming to you from LPA today, a Grand Canaria airport. So lovely morning here. I hope you can hear me over the announcements. Quite a few aircraft on the ramp. And yeah, I'm going to be, well, I've been here for four days now, doing a little

1:28:46motorcycle trip. However, today, I'm doing a little trip on one of those guys. So courtesy of Dirk, our friend of the show, he's recommended to me to do a trip to the island of La Palma, which is probably one of the lesser-known Canary Islands. So yeah, I'm going to see what that's like, go and have an explore, but quite honestly, the main reason I'm doing it is because I've never been on an ATR before. So I'll give that a try. And he tells me that the national airline here, the pilots are all quite keen to get to where they're going. So I guess we'll have to wait and see. So yeah, I'm going to be flying on an ATR 600.

1:29:50The aircraft I'm on today is six years old. I'm looking at its flight history. Yesterday, it did nine sectors. So they work, these guys pretty hard here, flying between all the different Canary Islands. So it would be interesting to see what it's like. It's a 50-minute flight. Sadly, I couldn't get a window seat, so I might not be able to get much in the way of views out sadly, because I think it could be quite a scenic flight. However, I'll try and do some more video and we'll see what it's like on board so I'll catch you in a second.

1:31:10It's a fantastic flight. It's probably only about 45 minutes long and a great view of Branken area. Yeah, saw some of the scenery that I've been enjoying over the last couple of days and then I'd really love you to hear of Teneriche as well. And then, yeah, pretty much on the descent. So all good. So part of why I've ended up here today is because of the wonderful PTUK community. So off the back of chatting with our friend, Dirk S. I've ended up flying to La Palma. I had a lovely experience on the ATR this morning. It was a really nice flight. Very smooth, quite quick,

1:32:12quiet, comfortable. And I've rented a car and on Dirk's recommendation, I've come to this extraordinary place here. And honestly, it's kind of blown my mind a bit. Over in the distance, you might just be able to see Tenerife, which I flew over this morning. And yeah, it really is the most extraordinary thing. So thanks to a relatively cheap flight, I've had the most extraordinarily fantastic day. And all thanks to PTUK and Dirk for your brilliant recommendation. Thanks, Dirk. So here I am back at La Palma Airport. Found a lovely little spot. Just turned back here in my rented car. Overlooking the runway here. Sadly, not very much

1:33:13traffic for me to watch, although I did just see an ATR land. And here the aggressive reverse thrust from those noisy crops. So that was pretty cool. So my flight back to Gran Canaria is in a couple of hours. And yeah, I've had a lovely day here on the island of La Palma. And I have to say I thoroughly recommend coming here. It's an absolutely stunningly beautiful island. And one of the things I love about it is it's not very touristy. So it's nice and quiet. And you can kind of get around without the big too much traffic, but you've still got all the amenities. So yeah, really, really beautiful place. And I can't recommend highly enough. So yeah, looking forward to my return flight. I have to say the ATR was fantastic. It felt quite spacious in the cabin. It was 2 plus 2 seating.

1:34:15Not loud. The cabin noise was perfectly acceptable. I mean, I was sat quite near the front, so I guess I was getting so much engine noise. But yeah, it was a really nice smooth flight. And really enjoyable. So yeah, looking forward to heading back. So yeah, it'd be interesting to see what the airport is like this evening. It seems like although it's quite a big island here, I get the impression that the population is not huge. There's probably not a lot of tourism coming here. So it's mainly internal flights that are coming in. And actually, it seems to be quite a big impressive airport. It seems quite modern, quite large. So I get the feeling it's going to be fairly quiet, but I guess we'll find out. Anyway, great day here.

1:35:16There we go. So I see quite a lot of them operating throughout the day. I arrived at the airport a couple of hours early, so I was able to watch quite a few of these leaving in this way. And you can see the marshall on the ground there that's directing the crew to steer the aircraft to make sure that it turns correctly. So you see the lady there is just giving the signal to the crew just to turn the aircraft around. And at that point, it's straightened itself up and on its way. So it's pretty cool to see it playing be able to reverse itself out without tug there. You're saying Niko was quite quiet at the airport itself while you were there? Yeah, it's a strange. I mean, it is quite a big island. There isn't a great deal of tourism

1:36:19there. And I looked at the arrivals and actually the only place within Europe that really flies directly to Lepamma is from Germany. So there's quite a few clued up Germans that I realized that actually it's a really lovely place. It's very beautiful. But actually, you know, sort of mainstream big tourism hasn't really got there yet. So in actual fact, you know, that makes it a really appealing place to go to from my point of view because it's, you know, you have got everything that you need there, but it's actually really, really quiet. You know, I drove to the top of an 8,000 foot mountain and I barely saw her anybody. And yeah, there was just sort of hardly anything on the roads. It was really nice. So it was actually really enjoyable to go there and it's somewhere I'll definitely go back to. But yeah, I've got to say that flying on the ATR was a real pleasure, actually. Andy tried to scare me off a bit by saying that the Binter pilots are all lunatics. But and I think that the, so what I realized is the taxi speed looks really fast when you see them

1:37:29from the outside, but it's because the aircraft are little. So when you see them in comparison to a larger aircraft, they actually taxi it exactly the same speed. And I actually had my speedometer on my phone and I used it. I think we were taxing it about 28 knots, something like that. So it wasn't, wasn't anything bonkers. I didn't definitely didn't see any heroics or any wacky aerobatics or anything like that. It was, yeah, both both the flights were really smooth. The aircraft was spacious. It was really comfortable and it was and it actually really quiet in comparison to, a jet aircraft. And the huge boaters switch I did not expect was a bit of free catering. So it was a cup of water and a doughnut on the way out, which was really tasty. And on the way back, I got another cup of water, a bag of airline branded crisps, which I desperately wanted to keep, because I'm a geek and a sweet. And I let one of those little hand-wipe things. So,

1:38:31yeah, I really just wanted to keep it all, because it's, you know, we're all playing geek here, aren't we? And it's, but actually the crisps were really nice. So, yeah, that was pretty cool. So, yeah, Binta is a great airline. I would highly recommend them for anybody that's flying in that part of the world. They're almost like a bus service, really. It's quite casual, fairly affordable. I think if you were to fly it a little bit out of season as well, you could get a pretty good deal on the ticket. And, you know, quite honestly, for the sake of a couple of hundred quid, I went and saw another, another island for the day, had a fantastic time, saw some absolutely stunning scenery. And yeah, and it was all thanks to a recommendation from Dirk. So, yeah, if I hadn't got myself on this silly old podcast, I'd met Dirk. I'd have never gone there. So, thanks guys. Very good. Dirk's asked a question, a chatroom, Nick. Did you get yourself a model plane?

1:39:37No, he did say that apparently they do sell them at some of the desks there, but, yeah, that might be something I have to have a little look online for, because he sent me a photo of his and it looks really cool. So, that did look nice. That scenery was stunning, Nick. So, thanks for putting it. Yeah, it really is a really beautiful part of the world, and I can't recommend it highly enough. I mean, yeah, I had, I mean, not only Grand Canary itself, I mean, I've been to, what, I think there are, I'm just trying to count them in my head now, six Canary Islands, and I think I've been to four of them now. So, and yeah, they're all really, really beautiful. And thanks, Nev, for putting the video together as well for us tonight. Pleasure. Yeah. Yeah. Great job. Thank you, Nev. Right. Time to move on to the next part of the show, Nev.

1:40:38Yes, and of course, as always, this time of the evening, we talk about the military. So, here we go. And the first story this week is from Avbrief.com. It's a coming the tragic event in Athens. Greek F4 crashes at Airshore and Balthkru dead. A Hellenic Air Force F4 crashed during an Airshore routine near Athens on Saturday killing both crew members. The Phantom was taking part in the annual Athens Flying Week at Tangaro Airbus about 40 miles from Athens when it went down outside the men viewing area. The Vietnami rejected just taking off when it disappeared from

1:41:42view behind some trees and crashes starting a large fire. They were no parachute spotted. The fire spread to nearby Bush and prompted a major response from wildfire crews. Both bodies were recovered from the wreckage and Greece has ordered a three-day morning period for the service members. Greece has used phantoms in variety of rules since the 1970s and modernized 39 of them in 1998 to take modern missiles and bombs. They're only 16 in service and they'll be retired as deliveries of 40 F-35s begin. The country also operates 142 F-16s. And everybody here at PtuK would like to extend its sympathies to the family and friends of the crew involved in this terrible incident. I saw this broke on the internet and also it was brought up in our group chat as well the PtuK group chat. Always worth being on the group chat. If you're not really part of that, that never brings some details of that later. But yeah, very sad indeed. And a jet that had quite a

1:42:48big history in a career here in the UK, the F4. So yeah, very sad indeed. Nick, you've got the next story and moving to somewhere slightly cooler. Yes, so this one is from aerotime.ero and the headline is RAF complete operation on remote Arctic Island with US and Norwegian allies. The Royal Air Force has taken part in a demonstration on a remote Arctic island alongside US and Norwegian allies as part of Operation Atlantic City and a lovely image there that Carlos has put up at the A400. That's a fine looking plane isn't it? On September the 6th of this year, the Ministry of Defence said that RAF personnel from Lima X-ray X-ray squadron deployed alongside detachments from UK Commando Force on the island of Jan Mayan in a Mayan perhaps in a demonstration

1:43:52of NATO's enhanced capability to operate jointly in the high north. The trilateral operation formed part of Arctic Century, NATO's enhanced vigilance activity for the high north and ran from August the 26th to September the 4th. The operation has seen UK forces work alongside the Royal Norwegian Navy, the Norwegian Home Guard and the US Marine Corps units integrating various sensor and communication systems. The US Special Air Force Special Operations Command, MC 130 and US Air Force's Europe C-130 were also involved in the operation. Jan Mayan sits in an isolated stretch of the Norwegian Sea roughly 620 miles from mainland Norway. The island occupies a critical geostrategic position north of the Greenland Iceland UK gap, an area of water vital to

1:44:55the defence of northern Europe and wider Euro Atlantic area. This operation demonstrates the strength of our partnership with Norway and the United States and the ability of our armed forces to operate together in even in the most demanding Arctic conditions. Defence Secretary Wes Street said it is a clear signal of our enduring commitment to NATO security and to defending our shared interests in the high north. Operation Atlantic City ran concurrently with naval maneuvers during Operation Northern Viking 26. The MOD said this allowed the trilateral force to maximize overlapping maritime and sensing resources across the European theatre while also supporting NATO's broader Arctic Century activities. The exercise was built on similar Allied training

1:45:56conducted around Jan Mayan last year and draws on the island's history, the MOD added. Another shout out to Dirk again. This is going to be the Dirk episode. Dirk actually sent me this one. Thank you for that and if any of you listening would like to send in articles, we really appreciate it. You can either get in touch via the WhatsApp group or send an email podcast at plaintalkinguk.com. So yeah, love to hear from you and really appreciate people sending stuff in. Pictures were stunning there. Your cyanic does look the 400M is such a nice little bit of kit. Yeah, I mean I have to say, you know, as sad as we are about the retirement of the Hercules, the A400 is a really cool looking thing and living where I am in this part of the world down in the southwest of the UK, we do get quite a lot of low-level training and yeah, I do end up

1:47:02seeing them fairly frequently and my goodness, you can, they don't sound good as well. You know, we've got to go on board one. These are re-at, oh, Blimey a few quite a few years ago now, which is good. We've got to sit in the flight deck as well with the old HUD, the drop down HUD display on these, which is quite cool, but yeah, very nice and very nice indeed. Right, that is where we're going to start to wrap things up, but first we've got a special update because there's something very, very special going on indeed over in a lovely part of the world called Jersey, isn't it, Nev? Yes, tomorrow, Thursday is the Jersey International Air Display. I should be going over there and meeting up with John Falk and his partner. Oh, he's very kind, he's going to collect me from the airport, hope I'm on time. There's several things happening there, there's a static display at the airport in the morning, which we're hoping to go to. I've just realised though that it's only between nine o'clock and 1030,

1:48:07my flight doesn't arrive till 940, so let's see how we get on with that. Anyway, then there is the flying program itself in the afternoon between one o'clock and five o'clock. This is the current lineup. This is correct as of half past two this afternoon. They will be displaying the Hawk Hurricane, Navy Wing's Super Marine C-Fight, Mark 17. There's the Toronto Formation Swordfish and Wildcat. The Navy Wing's Fairish Swordfish Black Cats, P51 Mustang. The Conor Aviation S2FT Turbo Firecats, Turbo Shark 600, Scottish Aviation Ball Dog, PBY 5A Catalina, the BR 1150 Ali's Jet Provost, Team Raven, Boeing B for 17 Flying Fortress, the MiG-17F,

1:49:07Douglas A26 Invader and finally the Royal S4ce Red Arrows, which unfortunately were not able to display at Gernsey today, which they were planning on doing due to some technical reasons. And of course, as always with these things, there's always an asterisk or subject to aircraft availability, weather and people sort of make it work basically. The weather's looking okay tomorrow. I'm pleased to say in Jersey, isn't that something? But so I'm very much looking forward to doing that. We're going to be positioning ourselves on the balcony of the Radisson Blue Waterfront Hotel, which is what I'm saying. Well, but it should be a good view of the aircraft that are coming in. So I'll hopefully get some nice pictures of that and possibly some interviews with some of the crews if I can get to the static display in time anymore. Got a comment in a chatroom, Neve from Mr. Warner in regards to the Reds.

1:50:09Yes. Oh yes, he says, Reds are cancelling all sorts. I wouldn't hold you for hope to say. Well, I'm just reading what the Jersey folks are telling us at the moment. But you never quite know what's going to happen. So let's see how we get on anyway. The weather's going to be okay. That's the main thing. But it's just a question of what's going to be operating to them. That's that's thing. Well, I hope you have a good time there. Neve, I'm sure you will. They always look after you there in Jersey. So yeah, enjoy that. Neve, I'm going to start to wrap up the show then. Social media links, Mr. Bands, where can everyone find us online? Yeah, on the socials, it's Facebook, Twitter, oh, sorry, X Instagram and LinkedIn, just search those platforms or plain talking UK. You can email the show podcast at plaintalkinguk.com. And as Nick was mentioning earlier on, if you would like to join us in the chat room, the PTUK chat room, just send us an email to

1:51:12podcast at plaintalkinguk.com and we will sign you up. Don't forget you can subscribe to a YouTube channel as well. You'll get notifications when we go live and you're going to help shape the conversation of the show by joining us in chat room as many people have done. Just go to youtube.com and search for plain talking UK. You can also help us with some of the costs of the running of the show if you feel that you're able to by becoming a Patreon of plain talking UK. That's available on our website plaintalkinguk.com. Just look for the banner which says support us. And finally, the meeting I go to every Monday, I just want to give a shout out to Hamish and John, who hopefully both tuned in tonight or listened to this as a audio down there. Excellent, thank you, Nev. And I also need to give a special shout out to my uncle Richard who very kindly gave us some action in the East Angley region this week when his 737 max took a seagull in the left hand side engine

1:52:20on its departure from London knowledge airport. So they ended up diverting to East Midlands. But eventually got to Malta. So he's enjoying himself out there now. But there was some quite fun seeing it. There's the number one most tracked aircraft on flight radar for a time. So yeah, I hope you had fun with that. Right, Nev. Next week, we have got something special. Hopefully fingers crossed lined up, haven't we? Oh yes, we have a special guest joining us for a live show who is a 737 first officer or a large European airline. So we'll be promoting that on the socials during the coming week so that we don't forget to on Wednesday, the 16th of September. Right, that's it. Quick round, Robin, Nev. What are you up to next week? I don't know, I haven't got that far yet. I just want to get to from Jersey. Nothing major next week.

1:53:23Although I have just received a text from BA, a message about your flight tomorrow. Oh no, here we go. But actually it just says the usual about power banks. And you should not be checking them in. You must carry them with your hand luggage. So they're really enforcing this now, which is or reminding people of it. At least I'll say that's something. How about you Andy? Anything exciting going on the world for you next week or the weekend? Just a lot of travel down to Gatwick on Sunday, back home on Monday, then off to Milan again next weekend. And then to Gatwick. All work, work, work. Honestly. Yes. And Nick, bit of two-wheeled fun. Yes, I'm actually going to brave the British weather and take the motorbike over to go and see my son over on the Isle of White. So yeah, looking forward to that.

1:54:23Excellent. And I've got my 50th birthday party this weekend in our local pub. So I probably won't remember much Sunday. Well, just like me, Carlos, you don't look a day over 38. Oh, blind me. Right. Anyway, that's it. We're going to say a big thanks to everyone who's tuned in tonight in the YouTube chat room. And thanks for joining us tonight as always. And not forget everyone who tuned in and downloads us as an audio podcast as well each week. Because I know loads of you do that. So thank you very much indeed to all you out there for downloading us as you do. Right, Nev, I'll leave you to sign off. Yes, thank you for joining us to see things. So I let my voice was a little bit crooked, hopefully it'll improve by tomorrow with some LEMSIP later on tonight. In the meantime, hope you have a great week and the weekend coming up. And we'll see you Wednesday 7 o'clock PM UK time next week. In the meantime, bye for now.