Episode 4467: Tony Katz Today Hour 2 - 03/20/26

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1:00Live from the heartland and the crossroads of America. It's Tony Katz today! It's two very different stories, but I believe that it holds the same message. If we want to have a society that thrives, we have to accept the fact that there are some people out there who don't want us to. For the progressive, the worst crime one can commit. There's the crime of being bigoted. Evan Sayett wrote about this in the kindergarten of Eden, and has talked about this. He's a humorous satirist. His speech to heritage back in the day

2:01called regurgitating the apple. Still amongst the most watched speeches in heritage history. And it's the idea that for the progressive, there is no greater crime than the crime of a bigotry. And when you discuss this, when you when you really expand on this, we're not talking about hitting this group or that group or the other group. It comes to the very idea of recognizing your own survival. Tony Katz, that's me. Tony Katz today, and that's the name of the show. 833-468-8669-833-Gottony. Find everything at TonyKatz.com. Live streaming on the YouTube, go to Tony Katz and subscribe. Do that right now on the Twitter ex Tony Katz Facebook, Tony Katz Radio, LinkedIn. Tony Katz, happy that you're here. Can't thank you enough. If you are not willing to say that one concept is better than another concept, I don't quite understand how that's possible. But if you're not willing to do it because to do that

3:01is to be bigoted, you're progressive. If you say to me, I don't know if this candy is better than that candy. Okay, right? It's candy. Capitalism is better than communism. If you're not willing to say that, well, you're lost, but the progressive can't say that because that would mean to be bigoted and you cannot be bigoted. That's where you get a lot of things like moral equivocation from. Oh, sure, that country's bad. But look what we're doing in the U.S. And so you get that silly nonsense childlike type of discussion. There is nothing wrong at all with being a loving kind and giving nation. There's nothing wrong looking up for your fellow man. There's nothing wrong with having trade with other nations. Even thinking other nations as friendly. There is something wrong with not saying of certain nations

4:06that's the enemy and the answer is no. One of those is the Communist Chinese regime, the Communist Chinese nation, specifically the Communist Chinese party. There are Chinese Americans living their lives who are not your problem. They are not a problem to anyone. They're your neighbor. This isn't about Americans. This is about the Communist Chinese party. And no one connected to the Communist Chinese party in any way, shape or form, can be allowed to own land in the United States or own businesses in the United States. Any land that they have must be taken away. I'm talking about expropriation. Oh my gosh, that's what Hugo Chavez said. Hugo Chavez, the Communist, took it away from everybody he already had a deal with, whether it was oil or anything else, to move the Communist agenda forward and then

5:08took a nation rich and oil and turned them into people who were eating pigeons. I'm talking about national security not giving up capitalism. Communist Party wants to hurt us. The Communist Party cannot be trusted. There's no question here. If you want to debate it, we can, but allow me to cut to the chase. I'm going to win the conversation and the other person's going to lose the conversation. That's all. This brings us to the story of Super Micro. The story is insane. Super Micro has been charged. The co-founder and others with illegally diverting billions of dollars in Nvidia powered servers to China, which is not allowed. As a matter of fact, President Trump is trying to work out a deal to get them some of these chips. He's wrong. Just like the president is

6:11wrong to allow Chinese nationals to attend universities in the United States. It's wrong 600,000 students. No, tell them to go somewhere else. The universities in the United States that can't survive without these Communist Chinese-related students connected to the Communist Chinese Party, paying out full freight and out-of-state tuition fees to go to the universities. Tell those universities to close up shop. Absolutely have no need to keep a university open by bringing in students from China who now want to do us harm. Nope. Not interested. No thanks. I'll argue it anywhere. So what happened was this guy, the co-founder Yishin Liu, went by Wally. Okay. Everyone needs a nickname. They call me, if another thunder. And he holds $464 million in stock in a company

7:18called Super Micro. What he was doing was smuggling these Nvidia servers to China through a Southeast Asian Shell company, $2.5 billion worth of Chinese servers, of servers, Nvidia servers to Chinese buyers, 510 million worth shipped in just three weeks in spring of 2025. How did he do it? They built dummy servers. They built fake servers to show US compliance. See? Yeah, the servers. Look at them. And they got caught because they're on video. Can't make it up. I have no capacity to make this up. They're caught on video with a hairdryer taking the serial numbers off of boxes and moving them on to the dummy boxes. The stock as of midday was down 25%.

8:27It's beyond people have to go to jail. It's espionage. People need to get hung. If this is in violation of the law, this is in violation of US national security. People have to be hung. I am not a death penalty guy. My issue with the death penalty is not that some people don't deserve it. Some people for their crimes do. But we have these cases out there where people are accused and found guilty of murder and these things and their sentence to death. Only to find after they've been, their life has been taken. Some prosecutor didn't look at a piece of evidence. No extra DNA test was given. Someone suppressed evidence. Can't go back. You can't go back so I don't favor the death penalty. I thought about it for years and that's where I'm at. But I guess there's a caveat to everything. Death penalty is where I'm at.

9:41Two people were arrested. A third is a fugitive. Now, are we going to find that this guy, the co-founder of Supermicro, was a member of the Communist Party, connects to the Communist Party? And the answer is, of course, we're going to find it. Not even a debate. We're going to find it. Question is, why do we allow it? This brings us over to Australia. A very strange story in Australia, where the Australian Prime Minister, Albinis, Anthony Albinis, who you'll remember, you had Jews shot at a Bondi beach, celebrating Hanukkah. And the answer was, well, we have to do something about guns in Islamophobia. These Islamists wanted to kill Jews. And they said, look at these Jews celebrating Hanukkah,

10:41let's shoot them. Now, people will note that it was a Muslim man that went after one of the shooters and tried to get the gun from him. Guys, an absolute hero. I'm kind of proving my point, that mass migration, whether it be what Australia did, or whether it's what Europe as a whole, not in totality, but in the main is doing, creates a problem because you have people who are not compatible with Western civilization. The Communist Chinese Party, they're acolytes, and those who are, they are connected to, are not compatible with Western civilization because their objective is the destruction of Western civilization. You've heard me talk about the red green alliance. Some people refer to this as watermelon, because it's red and it's green. It's Communists, and it's the Islamists. Both want the end of Western civilization so they can go about

11:44their future. The world they want where they're on top, which for the record, whether it's the Communists or the Islamists, sucks for everybody else. It just does. There is no world that can be discussed that is better than the world with America on top. That is not a question of America being perfect, that it's not America not having so problems, and it's not a question whether not America can be questioned for the things that they're doing. But if your choice is the Islamist or the Communist Chinese, America comes out on top. Capitalism is the worst system possible, except for all the others, paraphrase and cribbing Milton Friedman and host of other economists. That's why we use capitalism. Is it perfect? I don't know what perfect is, but compared to what the Socialists freaks want to use, it is fantastic. Capitalism is Viagra, and Socialism is a picture

12:48of Rosie O'Donnell. It is that simple to understand. The Prime Minister of Australia is in a mosque, it's the last day of Ramadan, and he's celebrating with them. You already have him sitting there. Engaging what someone would assume in prayers, and what happens? Well, what happens is that people in the mosque start screaming at the Prime Minister. And while some in the mosque stand up to say, why are you screaming at him? Others are screaming at the Prime Minister. What are you doing here? Your guilty of genocide. A guilty of genocide. Then they start doing their prayers. Oh, you still want to buy into the idea that Israel was guilty of a genocide. Well, then you're a

13:50schmuck. We're through the looking glass on this. The people who scream genocide about Israel want terrorists to win. They want Israel destroyed because they want what? The end of Western civilization. Israel first in America. It's just that easy. We don't have to pretend that isn't the case. And then the Prime Minister is walking out, and he's being chased out by the crowd, chased out, calling him a genocide supporter. The man got chased out of a mosque. Now, I can't tell you if this mosque or the people in the mosque were people who were part of some level of mass migration. I can't tell you that. What I can tell you is that all nations that have allowed mass migration and never once made a requirement to the people coming into their nation

14:50that this is how we do things. Your world. Your religion is not ours. Your political system is not ours because Islam is a political system, not a religion. And we don't do that here. You can live your life. But if you think you can implement institute or lead us to fear over it, your wrong and will show you how wrong you are, which they would do, by the way, with any other religion or political system they would. When you allow mass migration and you do not institute rules and recognition of culture and society, you will have people emboldened to tell the Prime Minister, get out. In both cases, we're talking about not some level of protest, screaming in a mosque, screaming in a mosque. I don't know the last time I could have seen anything like that,

15:55that they would allow that. But you have the same exact issue at play. You have groups of people who want to do us damage, do us harm and they want their world being in charge. Is that good for us? And the answer is no. So why don't we fight it? Why don't we ensure we never allow mass migration? Why don't we ensure that we always check these coming into the country and recognize that some people are unwelcome. Some philosophies are not ours. They have no place here. Are you think I'm talking about Islamist? I'm talking about communists as well. You have to take all the communist Chinese own lands and anybody connected with the communist Chinese party own businesses and they have to leave. The land is ours. Communists can't have it for our safety and for our security. From American citizens, government can't take a damn thing.

16:59From communists, from paraphrase rush the chikams, let them get angry. Who cares? We have safety and security to consider. And that safety and security means no mass migration. Everyone vetted and some people, some nations know. This isn't the place for you because we have to ensure it's a safe place for those Americans who are here and the Americans who want to actually be a part of America and a part of this greatness. Apologize for nothing. I'm Tony Katz. The Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going. Backed by Toyota's reputation for legendary reliability. Step into a Tundra with the available I-Force Max Hybrid engine, delivering impressive torque and serious towing power. Or take a look at Tacoma with an available power liftgate. So gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving. Toyota trucks are built to last year after year, mile after mile. So drive one home today. Visit Toyota.com for more Toyota.

18:06Let's go places. As has been reported, the TSA lines are through the roof. Over 10% of TSA, Transportation Security Administration officers have called out. They're like, no, I'm not getting paid, I'm not showing up. You've got wait times at three hours at Houston, George Bush and Hobby Airports, three hours at Atlanta Heartsfield. You have got delays at LaGuardia where they're into the parking lot. That's New York. You've got delays in Philadelphia. And now there is a suggestion of being over three hours early for domestic flights.

19:09And if you check out the MyTSA app, which I downloaded just today for the sake of looking at the second, look at wait times, that stuff's not even being updated. So it doesn't tell you anything. And the Democratic Party has done this. The Democratic Party has shut down Department of Homeland Security and they won't fund it. And Republicans can't even begin to fight this the way it needs to be fought. But what they can do is they can go out there and say you want a supplemental, you want funding for taking out the Iranian regime and ending terrorism. I'm Lauren Bobert. I'm not going to vote for that. Good thing the audio is working. The audio wasn't working. She's decided she's not going to vote for that.

20:14Can't get funding for the DHS. That's not the fault of Republicans. No funding for a Rand War supplemental quote. I am so tired of spending money elsewhere. Isn't the money spent removing terrorism good for us? Doesn't actually lead to a cost savings? I swear, I've said it before. I'm saying it again. I'll say it again. Or Republicans really trying to lose the midterms. I'm asking. Meanwhile, we'll discuss the funding and we'll discuss this economy. EJ Antonio next. This is Tony Gatz today. So there is a tremendous amount of talk about how what's happening with the straight up or moves affects the US oil markets. We're up a dollar a gallon. You can't deny that reality. You can't deny the reality that that's not good for a Republican party already in an uphill climb to win midterms. And if this stays for months with us,

21:19that's a problem. Now, I have set my timeline as the summer. If July, you're still in the high oil prices. If July, you're still at some of these levels of inflation, it's a death now for the Republican party. That's my take. But we haven't asked ourselves how these oil issues are affecting Russia and China. Our adversaries, China, thirsty country, that no longer gets oil through Russia from Venezuela. And the Russians, which has oil to sell and trying to distribute to Cuba. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you. EJ Antonio joins me right now from the Heritage Foundation acting director of the Thomas A. Row Institute for Economic Policy Studies, Chief Economist, Richard Astor, fellow. That is more titles than I have, everybody. EJ Antonio has got them all. It's good to see you. We don't talk about how this has an effect worldwide. And how this affects what other world actors, quasi superpower actors, then act. But before anything,

22:24let's talk about what we're seeing in the trade of hormones. What we're seeing with oil prices, where we have seen things top $119 a barrel. We've been playing in the 100, 100, 507 on the Brent crude. And you have some people out there who you may know, talking about, well, we're going to see $200 a barrel oil. And the Saudis are saying $180 a barrel oil. If you want a fear monger, I guess this is the thing that you do. And you kind of play into those futures. Maybe you're going to tell me, oh, no, there's a story here. What is really moving these oil markets? And how does this resolve? Tony, the last, I guess two or three questions there are all really, really closely related. So let's tackle those first. Nobody, and I mean nobody knows exactly how this thing is going to play out. We don't know what this is going to be like six days from now, let alone six weeks. We don't even know what it's going to be like six hours from now. That's how fluid the situation is. And that's how fast things are changing. Look at what just happened with

23:24the Israeli strike on natural gas infrastructure. And I ran for which I ran responded in kind to infrastructure throughout the region. And now there's conflicting reports as to whether or not the US knew about that or whether whether we didn't. But whatever the case may be, that was a big curveball that was thrown at energy markets, right? And futures. And then later when trading sessions opened, prices reflected that. And so the volatility that we're seeing in energy markets, whether that's WTI, whether that's Brent, whether it's natural gas at various hubs around the world, all of that price volatility reflects the fact that nobody has any idea where things are actually going here. And that's why you get these wildly ranging forecasts, some of what you just mentioned, which are calling for $180 or $200 oil. And then you have others on the opposite end of the spectrum who are saying we're going to be back to $70 barrel like that. So again, it really just runs the gamut because nobody knows which way the conflict is actually headed.

24:26By the way, the WTI guys is West Texas intermediate crude. We talk about it here. West Texas coming out of the ground, Brent crude coming out of the oceans. It's the most simple way I have of explaining it for my own needs. Talking to EJ and Tony of the Heritage Foundation, Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies and Chief Economist, the, yes, we aren't sure how this is going to play out. But there have been some questions of we seem to have a very archaic way of moving the oil through an area we've always known to be dangerous. For what reason, because we have a better relationship with Saudi Arabia, whatever you think of the politics in consequential to the reality, how can we never built a pipeline across Saudi Arabia to be able to move the oil over to the Red Sea? Was this an economic conversation? Was this a oil, doesn't work this way conversation? I might be out of your pantheon of expertise here, but I'm assuming economists

25:27have asked themselves, is this the only way to get oil out of the area from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc.? Well, part of the problem here is geography. It's not as if you have this perfectly flat landscape from which you're going to take the oil all the way across Saudi Arabia, for example, and several people have pointed out that you don't even need to go all the way across to the Red Sea geographically. It's a lot closer to just go right to the Persian Gulf across a much smaller portion of Saudi Arabia, but you're dealing with a massive mountain range to do that. So look, there really is no easy way to do this. The other problem with if you do go to the Red Sea, literally across the whole way across the Arabian Peninsula, now you're dealing with two other choke points. You have the Suez Canal right up in the north, and then you have a choke point down south, which is larger than the Strait of Hormuz. But again, it's similar where it is still a bottleneck, and it is an area where concentrated missile and drone strikes from a nation like

26:28Iran could pose serious issues in terms of shipping. That's not to say that it's the exact same, it's not, but you do have at least similar, similar difficulties. And again, it's just very, very expensive to build all of this new infrastructure and to pipe oil all the way across the peninsula like that, instead of sending it by ship like we do right now, or like we used to. But that's just it. So here's what we hear. And so this is why I bring you in because we're not the only ones dealing with this. The Russians and the Chinese are, now the Russians have a tremendous amount of their own oil as the late Senator John McCain used to say this is a gas station masquerading as a country. Maybe the only really good line the man ever had depending on who you are looking at them. The Chinese are unbelievably thirsty, and they can't get oil anymore from the ghost tankers that were coming utilizing the sanctioned oil from Venezuela. We know this to be the case, and we know these ghost ships have been in many, many, many ways shut down. But the what we're

27:34hearing is that 27% of the world's oil supply comes through this area, but only one or two percent of our oil supplies. This is really the rest of the world's problems. That's why you've heard President Trump say, why doesn't NATO or European nations make sure this is safeguarded? It's their oil. But what of our adversaries? How does this affect China and Russia? Well, unfortunately, this is actually kind of helping our adversaries in certain ways. I'm not saying that overall if you do a complete cost benefit analysis on every aspect of this conflict, that it is a net positive. That's not what I'm saying. But I do think it's important that we outline some of the ways in which this is helping Russia. You know, previously Russia was having to export sanctioned oil. You can think of it as under the table. They were having to sell at a steep discount. And that's how they were getting around these sanctions. Well, now as we lift the sanctions on Russia, because we have to do everything we possibly can to alleviate the supply crunch, since we are co-dependent on nations like Iran, what's happening now is Russia is actually

28:37increasing exports. They are selling more. And not only are they selling it at market prices, instead of selling it at a discount, but the market prices gone way up. It's basically double Tony. So now they are selling much more oil and at much higher prices. In other words, this is a windfall to Vladimir Putin and his war machine. That is not going to do the West any favors when it comes to the conflict in the Ukraine. Another big problem that we're seeing is regarding China. You're right. As China was importing a lot less than his whale and crude, they were having to rely on other sources. They get a lot of oil from Iran. A lot of Iranian exports were going to China. And you might think with the straight being closed that that is another spigot that's been shut off. But guess what? Iran is not stopping their own vessels from going through the straight. They're allowing their vessels through because it's their own oil, right? And as a consequence, they are now by a lot of estimates. I've seen it reported by

29:39Wall Street Journal. I've seen it estimated by Goldman Sachs now that Iran is actually exporting more oil to China today than when the conflict began. Talking to EJ and Tony, I see if economists over at the Heritage Foundation, people will look at that and say, how is that even possible? Right? The idea of winning the war, certainly we have the advantage on the warfare. We have taken out systems. We have taken out structure. We have taken out a host of people. We keep, we need to keep this up. And I believe that you don't leave until the regime is completely and totally gone. But the thing that I think is amazing to people based on what you're talking about, EJ, is that Iran is still able to sell oil. I mean, this brings up a carg island conversation, but Iran is still able to move oil. How is that possible? Or is it a kind of a concept, an economic concept that if you were to stop the oil from getting to China, you would create a larger

30:41scale problem worldwide that nobody wants. We're trying to keep the conflict in a certain region and in a certain context. Alec Coney, the sad reality is we're co-dependent on nations like Iran, whether they're good actors or bad actors, same thing with Russia, same thing with with Venezuela and countless other energy producers around the globe. Look, it doesn't matter if a barrel of oil is being sold by Canada, or if it's being sold by Iran, you still need that barrel of oil just as much. Now, granted, there's differences in quality of crude, right, in different places around the world. West Texas is light sweet. There's still a lot of the stuff coming out of the Middle East is heavy sour. So again, different types of crude and there are differences there that we can talk about if you'd like. But at the end of the day, we still need the oil. And so this is why, for example, the president said after Israel and Iran were exchanging fire on natural gas infrastructure, the president said, no more, no more. Israel, don't do that. Iran, don't you dare do it,

31:45either, because if you do, we're going to retaliate in a really big way, because we need the energy. All of the volatility that we're seeing, all of these explosions and prices at the pump, this is all just mere speculation that you're going to see a lot of a lot more damage in terms of energy infrastructure and a lot more supply disruption. Now imagine if that supply disruption actually happens, it would be incredibly detrimental. And so again, we have sadly this kind of co-dependent relationship, if you want to call it that, with nations like Iran. And going back to something you had said earlier, this idea that look, we have all our own energy. Why does it really affect us? Because you have a nation like Japan, a close friend and ally of the United States, right? That gets 95% of its oil from the Middle East. And right now, their supplies have been largely choked off. Well, guess what? They're now coming and knocking on our door to buy WTI because they

32:48can't get the stuff that they were buying previously. And so that's going to help bid up prices here at home as well. And to be clear, we actually already export a lot of our oil. Most of the refineries, for example, in the Gulf region, a lot of those refineries, Tony, aren't even optimized. They're not set up to optimally handle a light, sweet crude like Texas that we get out of the ground in Texas or Oklahoma. They're actually better set up to handle the crude that's coming out of the ground in Venezuela or places like Iran. And so again, a lot of the crude that we get out of the ground here, we actually send overseas and we are importing other crude. That's not to say you can't do one versus the other. It's just that your refineries not going to operate as efficiently. But I think it really does underscore just how global these markets are. I got 60 seconds talking to EJ and Tony, Chief Economist, the Heritage Foundation, really quick on the PPI, the producer price index, wholesale prices, 0.7% inflation, which puts you at an 8.4

33:53I had texted you, I'm like, what do you take of this number? I won't even say what you wrote back to me, although I could say it on air. Your take on where this number, whether you believe this inflation number, because translated out times 12 was 8.4%, it's a Biden era kind of number. And whether you think this is something that could be easily tamped down, what would it take the administration to do that? So PPI is much more volatile than CPI. This is the producer price index versus the consumer price index. So you might just have literally a very large one month spike that is later revised down. It might be followed by later months where you don't even see an increase at all. You see decreases, but it should still be setting off alarm bells here, right? What I think policymakers need to take from this is that we cannot, we simply cannot sustain $100 oil in this economy. You can't. So if this conflict is only going to last literally a few more days, that's not a big deal. That's basically going to be an economic speed bump.

34:58But if you drag this out for weeks and for months on end and we are still dealing with this well into the summer, you're going to see a lot of pain inflicted on the economy and on American families if energy prices stay high. Next time we talk, we're going to get into whether tariffs actually made a difference. This is going to require some detail analysis. EJ and Tony from the Heritage Foundation Chief Economist, I appreciate you taking the time to be with us more coming up, I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony Katz today. The Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going backed by Toyota's reputation for legendary reliability. Step into a Tundra with the available I force max hybrid engine, delivering impressive torque and serious towing power or take a look at Tacoma with an available power liftgate. So gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving. Toyota trucks are built to last year after year, mile after mile. So drive one home today. Visit toyota.com for more Toyota. Let's go places.

36:00Democrats still oppose to the Save America Act. They're opposed to voter ID and their arguments are getting nuttier and nuttier all the time. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today good to be with you. Senator Maisie Harono, gentlemen, do not let your sons date women like Maisie Harono and moms do not raise your daughters to be like Maisie Harono. Just a public service announcement right there from me, Tony Katz. Just trying to help Tony Katz, Tony Katz today. This was Maisie Harono on why we don't need voter ID. And let's be very clear about something else. Non-citizen voting in federal elections is already illegal. It is a federal crime. If a non-citizen illegally votes in a federal election, they could be prosecuted and even sentenced up to five years in prison.

37:06Who is going to commit this kind of fraud knowing that they could be imprisoned for five years? So they're too scared to violate the law even though we already see people do this. You're the party that won't deport those engaged in fraud. It's a non-argument. You need all sorts of ID to vote. You need to prove who you are. Now, should you have to pay for those IDs? No. I think we can cover that. But you need to prove it. Absolutely. Their arguments continue to fall flat. They are nonsensical and that's me being kind about it all. But it's Maisie Harono. Non-sensical is all you are ever going to get. I'm Tony Katz to this. It's Tony Katz today. The Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going, blending rugged muscle with precision engineering all supported by Toyota's time-tested legacy of dependability. Step into a Tundra and feel the unyielding capability

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