Episode 390 - Phone Calls from the Dead

0:00Some evil thing happened here. Three people die in a quiet suburb in Mississauga, Canada. It's not a coincidence. One after the other, in the same house. Is this bad luck or something more sinister? The worst investigative mess I've ever encountered. Long simmering what took you so fucking long to get here. From Sony Music Entertainment, this is what happened to the Harrison's. I'm Amy Dempsey-Raven. What happened to the Harrison's is available now on the binge. Search for it wherever you get your podcasts to start listening today. Subscribers to the binge can listen to all episodes, all at once, add free. I'm Amy Dempsey.

1:04I'm Amy Dempsey. I'm Amy Dempsey. Hi. Hello. I just got the shiveries. Ooh. We can't turn on the heaters because then ice gets sweaty. So the different sprints just has to freeze or brought off. Hey everyone. This is two girls on a ghost. Two girls on a ghost. We are your gussets, that's Corinne. Hello. I'm Sabrina and Corinne. I just, I'm too deep in the pregnancy guys. I can barely walk. But by the time this episode comes out, you will no longer be pregnant. You'll have a newborn and you'll have your hands full in a different way. Once upon a time we're like, oh, we should always because we usually record like two episodes in one day. And we're like, oh, we'll do alpha changes so it feels different on video and stuff. And I was like, I can't do an alpha change, but it doesn't matter because I have three shirts that fit me and have for months.

2:06So it's like, what am I going to do? Just change into the same no-con or like the main sweatshirt or the like where the weirdos are. Yeah. The shirt? That's it. And this one. You've got your staple uniform. It's your capsule wardrobe. I realized how bad it was when I was looking back at some of our videos and I was like, oh my god, this wasn't even recorded on the same day. And it's just like me and the same shirt over and over and over and over and over again because it's like, I have three outfits. I know. And I can't balance this on my and I'm man spreading and I just like, I smell. I don't smell. I smell myself. I've been smelling something and I think it's me. Oh. And I'm also been not to like, you know, how would people's houses all smell? How would I have a certain smell? This house was a very strong smell when we moved in. We had the floors refinished. We painted all the walls to try to change it up, change it up. And I feel like it did enough for a long time, but for the past like six months, the smell has been creeping back in.

3:06And over the past couple of weeks, it is like potent to me. Like even while I'm in the house because normally you get used to a house to smell and you like can't smell it. And then when you're in it, you get it and then you walk back and you're like, whoa. I'm like, this house freaking reeks. So interesting. Because I feel like your house has a good smell. And I really like, I think it smells to me like your hand soap in the bathroom. The bathroom is one of the stinkiest spots. Right. Yeah. I love that. And I feel like it's so much. No, but it doesn't smell like smell. Maybe I just can't get so many ways of it. Because like that area, I'm like, okay, I understand why that one would be a little stinkier because like the brick, like you can only do so much to like get a smell out of a giant brick wall. You know, my house reeks. Maybe it's a ghost that has a smell. Maybe it's hanging out with you. Maybe that's why your leg hurts. They're he backing on you right now. It's my hip. I hit him out of place like three days ago and I literally, it's when we, like you came in, you set up the whole studio. I heard you say hello, but I was only halfway down the hall.

4:06And you didn't even like, not, I'm not going to respond to you because it's going to be another 15 minutes before even see my face. I know. I can see my house is stinky. No. And I do actually. Oh. So ghost story? Well, I told, didn't I tell you that the other day I thought Brian was coming into. Yeah. Yeah. But I was saying that I can't find stories yesterday when you had food poisoning. Sorry. So I said, so low. And I was, what was I going to say? You were telling the story about Brian, hearing Brian go into the, oh, okay. But it happened during Bronwyn's story, which Bronwyn has a bunch of like amazing hauntings and she was telling a story about how her grandfather had come and interrupted. Like she accompanied one of her friends to a psychic reading. And her, she overhears like behind the door or whatever her friend being like, no, that doesn't really to me. No one don't think so. And Bronwyn sitting there being like, oh my god, this is my grandfather and her grandfather

5:08basically like interrupted hijab. The whole session. And so she ended up getting like the whole reading from her grandfather. That's so funny. And made me think of like when I gave birth to Noah, all of the stuff that happened after me thinking that it was my uncle Dickey and me thinking that it was my grandpa, Bob and just like all that sort of stuff. And she gave the name of the woman who she's gone to now three times. And she said every single time it's like dead, accurate, super spot on. And so I think I might book a reading because after that experience the other day where I heard Brian walk up the stairs, the baby gate opened closed and then our bedroom door started to open and then no one came in for 30 minutes until Brian actually did not know who it is. I'm like, I think that this is starting. I think the family members are back. They're moving in and I need someone to tell me who it is. They're starting to nest. They're nesting and you're recording the podcast. They're taking my mobility away from me in the worst possible week because my nesting this time was renting a dumpster to throw up my whole house and it's here and I haven't

6:09been able to do anything because of Kim. Oh man. Ghosts are moving into current house. I think I'm in the book, the reading and I'll let you know with how it goes. How it goes. What you find out. Yeah. Okay. Please send us all your recommendations for psychics and mediums because we. There's so many. It's hard to know. There's someone local that my hair dresser told me about. Oh really? Like Steven, psychic, Steven or something like that. And I was like, oh, we should maybe we should be shot to Steven. Yeah, we should. The hard thing is it's like sometimes we get recommendations and obviously these are people's careers. They have to make money. But like sometimes I'm like, oh my god, that's incredible. I need a book a session and then I'm like, I don't think I can afford to book a session. But we'll see. We'll see. And then I just send with a text message and be like, hey, I feel weird. Can you do a reading for me? And then she sends me like 40 minute voice notes and I'm like, okay, wow. I have a whole podcast to listen to. Anywho. Anywho. Ghosts. Ghosts. Okay. So our month says and we have a ghost themed episode today. We do. Surprise. Do girls want ghost themed episode?

7:09Recently, I did the things caught on baby monitors. And it just reminded me of stories that we have heard from just like various research and then also just from encounters where people will get a phone call. We did an encounter recently. Yes. Phone calls from the dad. And then I told you right before this that I had to get up early this morning to redo my research because I'd written a bunch out and I kept being like, God, this is so familiar. God, I feel like I've heard this story before as I'm like pulling stories from online. And then I realized we covered this topic back in episode 281. So there's a lot more stories if you like this theme. You can go back to episode 281 and here once I wrote and then deleted and chose different ones to tell. So now we have new ones today. Now we have some new ones. The dad are calling and they have a message for you. Ring, ring, ring. Hello. Hello. This is your Uber driver. You're six minutes late. So I'm driving away. You wouldn't call and tell you that. They just leave.

8:11This is your door dash. You're Jersey Mike's is here. That's my realistic for us. Okay. So to begin, we're going to do history, which I don't even think I did back in episode 281. Okay. How do we get the telephone? First long distance phone call was made in Salem, Massachusetts, to or Boston to Salem at Turner Seafood. There we go. More facts. I didn't even write that one in. Yeah. So there you have it. The one was invented by Alexander Graham Bell, which we all learn way back in the day in school. He cited as being the first inventor of the telephone, being the first to pass the patent for it and making the very first telephone call in 1876. Though there were a few people, I think, working on like the same concert at the same time. But how exciting. People. They were putting together soup cans with string. Yeah. And then it evolved. Can you hear me? God, I really hope kids still do that these days. That was so fun. That's the first phone. That is the first phone. But for a while, like, so even when the phone first existed, this was, this was like a fancy thing. People just didn't have phones in their homes. Yeah. It was for businesses and then like rich people basically.

9:16Definitely a luxury for a long time. But post-World War II in the 1950s, telephone networks started to expand. There are more landlides being installed. And this became more of a standard household item. So the 1950s kind of marked the threshold of when it became more accessible over 50% of the people having a phone in their home. Okay. And their private residence. That really was like one singular phone. It's like it's in the landline. It's a landline connected to the kitchen or living room or like some communal space. Everyone's sharing it. Yeah. One singular phone and it would be that way for a long time. Self-hound started being a thing in the 1990s and early 2000s. But it really wasn't like a popular thing for everyone to have until. I don't know. I got my first self-hound in like 2007 and I feel like I was pretty early on. I got mine in like the first editions of some of the self-hound companies. I got mine early because my sister. So I think I was seven and my sister was nine because it was a buy one, get one free situation. And my sister did a lot of figure skating so she'd be at the ice ring by herself a lot. Oh my parents wanted to buy them.

10:17I think they did. Then I got one and I just did brick. Or snake. It was snake snake snake snake snake snake was so good. I'm trying to remember my very first self when like what it even was. Mine was like a block and then it had a case that you could change the color of like on top. Oh my gosh, do you remember that? Oh, he used to walk through the malls and the like middle kiosks would just have like be jeweled in different designs. Kaces. Self-hound cases to snap on. And then you could put things on the antennas. Whoa, you just fully unlocked a memory for me. I totally forgot about that. That was so fine. I know. And then you'd have to buy like ring tones but like the ring back tones were like when people call you. I won a friend. Laurie else still has a ring back tone. Oh, I don't know. And she doesn't even know either. She's like, I never. What's the song to call her find out? Yes. Oh my gosh. What a time capsule. Yeah. Early self-hound days were great because it was very limited. It was basically call your friend and. Yeah. You know what I really wanted to do or I had the decision and inspiration to do last night

11:20while I was in bed is the jewel. My is a loft. Like the fill bottle. You're in your fill bottle. Yeah. And then you just every time you get a refill, you just put it in your. Yeah, put it in my bejeweled. That is incredible. I love that. That's so funny. That will be my summer project while you're with a newborn. I'll be be jewellying all my medication. You could sell it. Make it cute. That's probably legal. Well, I can sell the bottles. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Who wants your medication bejeweled? If probably an essay for that already. Yeah. Anyway, I also say that phone communications been around for 150. Is that math right? Something like that. 150 years or so. But it certainly didn't take that long for spirits to figure out how to communicate on phones. So back in the day when spiritualism was, I was a thing. It's still taken, but like was more like mainstream popular ish. Spiritualists started to claim that spirits could manipulate certain technology and soon to be like a phone to communicate. So it started out with messages using Morse code. Like there can be like tapping.

12:22And we actually covered in episode 281, a Morse code. Like communication. Okay. Right. So I won't repeat it here. You can go back and listen if you're curious about that. So starting out like tapping in Morse code, but like would evolve to some of the other technologies, like a cell phone being communication device with the debt. So from 1920 to 1921, a medium named Francis Gourier-Sen claimed to use a psychophone. He was a psychic medium and he was basically saying that he was using this phone to have the special phone to have conversations with spirits on the other side. And they would be famous spirits. I didn't write them down. There's a big list of them, but like Abraham Lincoln. It was a bunch of famous ones, but also a bunch of just like regular people that he made contact with. But if he's a psychic, what's the difference between just like normal psychic communication and this phone communication? Well, that's a great question. I'm not really sure. But anyway, he publishes transcripts of these conversations and it does deviate a bit from the characteristics that we're going to talk about, like fit the mold of what like a traditional contact from the dead via a phone looks like

13:24because his conversations were extensive. And so this inspired some people to try to create phones to talk to the dead. So there was another a psychical researcher named FR Melton and he designed and built a psychic telephone. It had a headset that connected to like the transmitter box and all that. Yeah, like a spirit box, but inside of the book, no, what is it? What was the balloon filled with the breath of a psychic video? How much does he pay someone to play it? Oh, that's amazing. Isn't it? I was like, this has to be fake. That's so weird. I love that so much. It could be thinking it might have been like misconstrued over different articles and periods of time. No, that's I mean, balloon in the middle and he has psychic mediums. Fill him up. Listen, it invention starts somewhere. It does. Who does say that that wasn't actually the missing component?

14:26But people are so much. Yeah, people are interested in this, right? Like that's the whole point. People are trying to create these devices still today. People are creating devices to try to capture the voice of the dead. Another person who was interested in this was Thomas Edison. Of course. Give us the light bulb. Thanks, Tom. So Tommy boy. Tom. Love the delight. He announced that he was working on a spirit phone. Some articles said it was a spirit phone. Others said it was a necrophone. So I don't know what he himself was calling it. Yeah. But he was working to create a telephone to make contact with the dead. And he basically like his pitch or his like thinking was that if he could create this telephone using a particular valve. This valve could amplify and detect subtle particles that he believed were surviving remnants of a human's personality. It's a little confusing. So I'm not really sure if he thought he was like talking if it was going to be like you can talk to the dead. Or if there's just like lingering energy.

15:26Which what's the idea of a person? Right. Isn't the dead a spirit lingering energy in a way? Right. But it's almost like was it active communication or was he just capturing like what's left over floating through his face? I don't really know. But yeah, that's what he said he was going to do. He was going to create this device. That's what was going to happen. And it was published in a very popular magazine and people were so excited about it. It like you think a lot of people would be like oh my god like you've lost your mind. You must have been electrocuted too many times. So I was innocent. But no, this was coming off of World War II. And so a lot of people want to talk to their. There's a lot of losses. They're like looking for comfort. Here's this guy who's this like well known inventor. And he's kind of giving this like glimmer of hope that one day someone could hear their loved ones voice again. Right. Unfortunately from what I could find this phone did not work out for Thomas Edison. He didn't come to the station. He didn't come to fruition. But you don't need a phone specifically built to communicate with the dead to communicate with the dead.

16:26Yeah, you don't. So there's a silver lining. Public recognition of the phenomena of spirits making contact through phones begins or public recognition begins more in the 1970s. So before it was a kind of conversations here and there you lose interest or like spiritualist movement would bring something up and then. But it would it would do it. It wasn't like this like steady thing. But then in September of 1976 there was a letter published in Fate magazine and Fate magazine was the Ellega Paranormal focused magazine. Okay. This letter came from a man named Don B. Owens of Toledo Ohio and he wrote in with his story. He said he had a close friend named Lee Epps and they grew up in the same neighborhood but in adult head. Lee had moved away from the neighborhood. And so they're still friends as adults and they would catch up occasionally over phone on October 26th 1968 at 1030 PM close to Halloween. Very close to Halloween. So it's a realist knitting. Absolutely. So it's 1030 PM and the phone rings at Don's house. He's not home. So his wife Ethel picks up the phone and it's Lee on the other side.

17:29And he seems really sad and he seems really distressed. And he said, sis, tell Don I'm feeling real bad. Never felt this way before. Tell him to get in touch with me the minute he comes home. It's important sis. It's really scary. Yeah. The phone call ends and Ethel is like, oh my gosh. What is happening to Lee? I'm concerned. So she tries calling him back to be like, are you okay with going on? What's going on? He doesn't pick up. She keeps trying doesn't pick up. Don comes home finally and she tells him about the phone call. Yeah. And he's like, I'm super concerned. Immediately picks up the phone. Tries to call his friend Lee. Nobody picks up. Oh, no. They're stressed. And I think it's like an entire day basically that passes like all night and into the day. When finally they make contact with someone in Lee's family. And it turns out he Lee had been in a coma in a hospital. He wasn't even at home. He was in hospital and he had died that night that he had called them. And his time of death was 10 30 p.m. So literally like when the phone call happened. Yep.

18:29So this story, I know. I have chills thinking about it. The story is published in the magazine and two pair psychologists. D. Scott, Rogo and Raymond, Bayless both take a bunch of interest in this. Like for a long time. So Scott actually worked for Fate magazine and he worked with the Psychical Research Foundation in Durham, North Carolina and the Division of Parapsychology at Mamanides Medical Center in Brooklyn, New York. Yeah. He was also a skeptic. So it was like he was super into it, but like researching like what it could possibly be. Yeah. It's not a paranormal explanation. Like what is happening that's grounded in reality and science. But those people I feel like want to believe in the paranormal the most. They all end up being the biggest thing or something. And where they're like, okay, I guess this is it anymore. Okay. So that was Scott's background and Raymond was a researcher and author with extensive experience, researching and chronicling paranormal and psychic phenomenon or phenomena. Sorry. So the two team up and they start looking into this topic, like communication with the dead

19:31through phones was something that other people had experienced was lead the first person to make a phone call to his friend from the other side. Only two years it took them and they had a book published of 50 cases. Wow. Well, the phone calls from the dead. Well, I want to read this book. Yeah, you can get it still. That would be fun. Yeah. So yeah, this was something that people certainly had experienced. So with the publication of this book, other people started to shake interest and of course, when it comes to any bit of research, skeptics come along. They try to scrutinize some deep bucket. That's normal with just like, I feel like any bit of scientific. Yes. Advancement, not just paranormal, but the conversation was happening, though it wasn't like this electric topic that took over the whole world again. Right. Like it was kind of a niche thing, but somewhat mainstream at the same time. So thousands of people are starting to come forward with stories and study this phenomena. But the whole topic isn't really, like people are doing things individually, but it's not really revisited again in like a big group setting until 2012 when a young psychologist at the University

20:36of Northampton in England, named Dr. Callum Cooper, found this book that these two other researchers had published after two years of research. He found it in his university's Parapsychology collection. Read it. So just be perusing the Parapsychology collection. I'm like, ooh, look at this. Fun on some trigger. Yeah. Yeah. So 2012, he's like, looking. He reads it. And then he's like, oh my God, I am so obsessed with this topic. So he's like, you and Karin, Callum, the two of you together. Yeah. Yeah. I focused on this. It's so fascinating. So he spent years conducting new interviews, researching the topic, applying modern psychological practices to his research, and then publishing his findings in a book called Telephone Calls from the Dead. So he continued with the research. So in his book, there's some 100 additional cases. Well, that's 2012. It's much easier to get in touch with people and hear people's stories. Totally. Yeah. I mean, like blogs on the internet, like people are sharing things.

21:37But in all of the cases that he has found, plus the cases that Scott and Raymond have found, there begins to be like a very clear pattern to exactly what's happening. And I think Scott and Raymond had presented this sort of like, here's the MO of the Ghosts who are making these calls. And then Callum's research basically was confirming like all of that. Damn. My newest upgrade in life is a bidet from Toshi. When you hear the word bidet, you probably think, ooh, fancy, hotels, French people. But there are a lot of things, especially with females, that I'm going to start associating bidet with. Period care, postpartum cleansing. I mean, a bidet is the female body's best friend. A Toshi bidet transforms your bathroom wellness for life. And I received the classic Toshi. Let me tell you, it was so easy to set up, took less than 10 minutes, and has revolutionized my bathroom experience. And it's also so easy to attach to your existing toilet without the need for additional plumbing. Ebidets only require an outlet. So stop wiping endlessly with toilet paper because our butts deserve better.

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23:43From Sony Music Entertainment, this is What Happened to the Harrison's. I'm Amy Dempsey-Raven. What happened to the Harrison's is available now on the binge. Search for it wherever you get your podcasts to start listening today. Subscribers to the binge can listen to all episodes all at once. Add free. So what are the similar ways? The first is voice quality. In almost every case, the Phantom Collar's voice sounds very distant. It sounds like they're very far away. Some people have described it sounding like they're underwater. And also another thing that isn't with every single case, but a lot of them. Because as the conversation is starting to wrap up or the message being delivered is coming to an end, the voice becomes even more distant. It's fading away. It's like, it's kind of hard to hear, but you can still make out what's important and what's

24:48important trying to be said. And you can recognize the voice. The second is the duration of the call. So it's always pretty quick, never more than a few minutes. And the moment someone remembers to bring attention to the fact that this collar has passed away, the call ends. So if you ask any questions or if you bring up like, how are you talking to me or are you okay or like, who are you with or whatever, any recognition about them being on the other side, boom, call ends. Okay, so if you get a call from a loved one on the other side, do not ask questions. Just let them deliver their message. Yeah. Tell them you love them. And third, the message is usually some sort of warning, like for the person to be careful or some sort of reassurance, like that they're okay and saying goodbye, but like usually because that person is having a really hard time moving on. Right. And so it's less of like the person's spirit saying that for their own closure and more of like for you. Yeah, they feel like they have to wrap it up for you. Which is very nice.

25:48Yes. The fourth pattern is that these calls frequently come from phones that have been disconnected. So it's like a call from someone's dad and the cell phone has been disconnected for 12 years and the cell phone has no battery. The cell phone's sitting in your drawer in your bedroom or you try to call the number back. And it says like this number doesn't exist or has been disconnected. Exactly. It's been disconnected. That is exactly what happens. Also, the caller ID will often come up as a specific no number. Even if they're not calling from that number, it's like the caller ID will either say like dad or like whoever. It's even if it's not authentically coming from that number. Interesting. It will identify the caller as the spectral person who's calling it. Wow. Didn't we have at one of our live shows was at New Orleans when in the middle of the show, someone's phone series had calling mom and like their mom had passed away like years prior and it was the anniversary or something like that. It was at New Orleans. Yeah.

26:48I can't remember the specific details. But yeah, I remember the venue and I remember where she was sitting. And she came up to us after residence. And the light also started flickering like at the same time. They're like spotlight like right on her and other people were drawing attention to it. So I'm being like, do you see this? Yeah. Oh yeah. So it's special. So yeah, it is interesting because like the number itself or the phone line has been disconnected. So there's no way for it to be able to ring through in the first place. Mm-hmm. Yet it does. So I have chosen provided by the internet and various bloggers and other people out there. So I have a few real life stories to share. And then I have a couple from my listeners too. Hell yes. Okay. Again, back in episode 281, there are a few more examples in that episode of different calls from the dead. But we also did haunted phone numbers like back early days. Oh yeah. And that also, that's like you were getting a bunch of, weren't you getting a bunch of calls from? I can't remember if I was. But I think a lot of listeners after that episode were getting weird ass calls. So go back, I don't remember what episode that is.

27:49Jamie, maybe you know, and if you do, it will be in the bottom of the video. But if we are, there's been so many episodes. That's why when I was first researching this, some of them I was like, did I bring this up in the third man's syndrome episode? I was like, no. Yeah. And I couldn't figure it out. And then I realized, oh, I literally have an episode called like calls from the dead or from the other side. I remember that. That was a good one. Oh, thanks. So 281, if you want to hear the research one, we have a recent encounters. Yeah. All about calls from the dead and a bunch were sprinkled throughout the past eight, some nine years, nine years. Nine years, I guess, after this says, yeah. All right. We are going back to 1969, Montclair, New Jersey. Oh, hey, Jersey was up. Is it Montclair right by where you go? Yeah. Okay. So New Jersey rock musician named Carl up off. I think he was a teenager at the time of this story happened. He received a phone call from his grandmother. Okay. And now this is very strange because his grandmother was deaf. So she very rarely used the phone because she was deaf enough that like she couldn't hear or like make conversation over the phone.

28:53It's not to say she never used the phone. She did occasionally and it would be like they were very close. I'm not sure if he was living with her at the time. It was kind of unclear based on like some of the retellings of this. But at least at the very least, he would frequent her house and visit with her. So she had the numbers of his friends. She like generally knew where he was. And so it wasn't completely out of the ordinary for every once in a blue moon for her to call one of his friends. And just if the receiver, like if the call picked up, she would just say, is Carl there? This is his grandmother. If so, can you tell him to come home? Right. And then hang out because she wouldn't be able to like hear the response. There were spots. Yeah. So there's more of like her way of delivering a like a voicemail to be alive. Sure. Interaction. So that part is odd. Even more odd. His grandmother passed away two days before. I would say that's the most odd. That's probably the most odd. So why are you getting a phone call from your grandmother? Yes. In this moment, he did not realize he was getting a phone call from his grandmother. Okay. He was at his friend's house. They were in the basement. I think they were like, like it was doing middle high school teenage things.

29:56I think they were like literally practicing in their bands. I think they were, it was like a music in the heat of the moment. Like a basement band situation. So his friend's mom comes down and says, Carl, you have a call. So he goes up the stairs and he picks up the phone. And immediately he recognizes that it's his grandmother's voice, which is bizarre. Because again, she has passed away two days. And she almost never, she would never ask to talk to him because she wouldn't be able to hear his response anyway. But she starts talking to him. And he recognizes her voice. And it's only a very short period of time. And I'm not exactly sure what she said because it wasn't written anywhere. But Carl asked where she was. And then the call ended. Hang up. And for the next several days, he would keep getting calls from his grandmother. But anytime he asked a question, like, where are you? What's it like on the other side? Are you okay? The call would end immediately after. Every day, this was happening. It made it sound like it happened for a few days.

30:56Wow. Like probably like three or four days. Yeah. Yeah. It's wild. It's not like it's a time when he is a cell phone or anything. Like this is Lam, she's tracking him down and getting in contact with him. Okay. So then in 1995, we're now in Liverpool, England, there's a radio station that often features this medium named James burn. And he would take calls live over the radio. People would call it asking to make some sort of a connection to a loved one. And he would basically do like live medium ship on the radio. It was a very popular segment. Yeah. And it would happen like late at night, not super late. I think it was whatever, like a 10 o'clock show or something like that. But anyway, it was a popular segment. A ton of people would call it. And on this particular night, there was a woman who went by the name Mrs. Wilson in the retellings of this. And she called in and she had hoped that she would make contact with her grandfather who'd passed a year prior and see if her grandfather had any messages for her. Only she didn't actually get to talk to the psychic James. Because when she called in, it was kind of like calling it for like American Idol in the early days.

31:57It's a busy tone and say, call like 40 times to like cast your singular vote or whatever. So like she didn't actually get through it. And so she's like, okay, a ton of people are calling in. That was my hope tonight. But like maybe I'll try a different night. So she just like sits back and relaxes and starts to listen to the show. As it begins and like collars are actually getting through to James the psychic medium. And as she's listening, her home phone rings when she picks up. And in the distance, it's like very faded voice. It says, look, love. I'm all right. It's great over here. I'm with your grandmother and all the nice people who've passed on. Literally. Me too. Cheers. And she is like, oh my God, that sounds like my grandfather. She goes, granddad, is that you? And he responds, yes, it's him. He's looking over her. He wants her to focus on living life in the present and not looking back and reminiscing too much about him. And to tell all of the kids that he loves them. And then he says, bye.

32:58And that was that she couldn't hear him anymore. It was like the phone call didn't end, but it was just an static and no more voice. And his voice was starting to trail off like more and more distant as he was. So special. I know. And also just like proves that even if you don't get the opportunity to talk with someone or like use some sort of communication device to like actually get in contact with. Who you're trying to reach out to that like they know that you are. Yeah. Okay, so this sounds amazing, but like at the time this woman, even though she's hearing her grandfather's voice and she thought that no one else knew that she had called in. She's still like this can't be happening. Right. So she thinks it's a super cruel prank, which it would be a super cruel prank if it's a prank. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So immediately she punches in whatever the number is in the UK to like basically do the call back. The number that just called you and whatever the automated messages, she basically gets told by this like automated receiver that the phone number cannot be connected because it's her phone number.

33:58I think it was like she received the call from her own phone. That's what happened with my grandma when my grandpa dies. It was her number with a number like seven in front of it or something like that. Yeah. That's wild. So yeah, how can you call yourself? You can't, but the spirits can. All right, the next example of a mysterious phone call. It's one that when I was writing it, I was like this town so familiar and I looked back and I don't believe that I had covered it in the previous one. So I don't know if we've covered it again in a different episode or if maybe I just had read it when I was previously researching. Either way, I'm sure it's great. So either it's going to be your first time or not. I'm not saying this, but we're going to revisit it again. So we're back in England and it's the late 1980s. And there's this woman in Manchester, her name is Sadie. And she had just recently lost her husband. And it was very sad and it was very tragic. She had a seven year old daughter Abigail. Oh, and so she was really tough on them. And so they decided Sadie decided that she was going to move her and Abigail out of their family home. Try to start somewhat fresh somewhere else where like it's the pain isn't immediately there.

35:03And so they end up moving to a different town and renting this beautiful old cottage. Sounds lovely. Yeah, it's very cheap, like way too cheap. And so there was like a small amount of suspicion about how cheap it was. But it also wasn't the best, like most kept up with properties. So there was definitely some things that like they were doing some deep cleanings. Sadie was definitely trying to like get the property, like feel a little more homie and shining a new. Yeah, this was like a wonderful little retreat. And so her and Abigail, Sadie and Abigail, her daughter are living there. And three months after moving, Abigail comes inside and says that she saw this kindled woman in a long black dress, standing under the willow tree, because there's also like a lake on the property or like a pond, standing under the willow tree, just smiling at her and waving. Kindled lady. Yeah, sorry, I don't think the woman waived. I think she's just standing there smiling. And Abigail was like, ha! Waved and said that as she was waving, the woman just faded away.

36:03So she's telling her mom Sadie this. And Sadie actually immediately believes Abigail, because Abigail was not a kid who just like would tell these fanciful stories from her imagination. They'd gone through a lot. Like she just was not. Right. If she said something, it was factual and true when it happened. So let's make it normal to believe your children. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. So you moved into a house that was dirt cheap and yeah, an area that you're not super familiar with. Why not? Why not? So I think that's what Sadie was thinking. She was like, oh, my God, it was moving into one to catch on a rite, like whatever. But doesn't think much more of it. So fast forward some time. And one evening, Abigail, seven year old Abigail starts to feel really dizzy and sick. And Sadie's like, oh gosh, you must be coming down with something. On a good bed early tonight and try to like sleep it off. Get a look, extra sleep. So she tucks her daughter Abigail into bed, goes through her own like nightly routine, has a little extra time because she's child free for like another hour or two. And then finally around 10 o'clock, she goes into bed.

37:06Substantabed turns on her bedside lamp opens up her book and she's reading 11 o'clock PM. There's a knock on the door. And she's like, what the hell? If it were me, I would never would have gone downstairs, but thank God. Oh, I don't know the front door, not her bedroom door. No, no, no, the front door. Okay. Because they were not expecting any visitors. They didn't really know many people around tears. Yeah, it's late. It's not a super popular populated area. They're just like renting here. So she is like, who is knocking on my door to 11 p.m.? Yeah. Very cautiously. She goes downstairs and with the doorstep closed, she asks like, who is that? Like who's there? Yeah. She's like a person who responds. It's like an older male voice. And he says that he is a doctor and that he's here because he received a call for a home visit. Wait, a real doctor. Yeah. A real doctor. And she's like, wait, what? And he was like, I received a call to come look or do an examination tonight of a little girl named Abigail. And so, she's like, what?

38:06And she cracks up in the door and she sees this older man who has a briefcase. He's totally dressed as a physician. And he's like, oh, are you the mom, Sadie? It's like, says the last name. No, Sadie's full name. Oh my gosh. And so she's a high child. She's spooked. But like, he is not acting in any particular way for her to feel alerted. Right. So she seems like a safe person. Yes. Yeah. She ends up fully opening the door and letting this guy in bringing him up to Abigail's room, waking up Abigail and he does an examination. Yeah. And when he's looking at Abigail and like taking in all of her symptoms, he notices that she has his rash and mixed with all the other symptoms. He's like, stop. Here's the thing, like, there's a chance that this could be meningitis. And I think you need to go to the hospital. So like, thank goodness. Yes. Oh my god. I love this. Yeah. So Abigail and her mom, Sadie, go to the hospital and she did have meningitis. And if it had gone untreated for much longer, she very likely would have died. And it was all because someone, this physician received a phone call from a house that no one called

39:10from giving the identification and a patient's name and mother's name. We love that. And calling urgently for a home visit to check on the health of the little girl. Did the physician say he spoke to like a woman or something? It wasn't in the... This reminds me so much of Lorraine Warren told us this about when she was growing up in the Conjuring House. They're like duo, paranormal investigators who came to the house had received a call from Caroline. And wait, wait, I said Lorraine Warren. Why am I blinking on her name? Oh, Andrea Pairn. Almost like we should have been told. Yeah. Andrea Pairn. That Andrea Pairn, which was Andrea's mother, had called these paranormal investigators and asked them to come investigate the house, but no one ever called them. No. And didn't you say like it sounded like when they heard Caroline's voice, they were like, no, no, it was you. It was you. Yeah. But it wasn't. It was something mimicking her voice to bring attention to the house. And it was like when they wanted them to come. Oh my gosh.

40:10Yeah. I don't know the details of the actual phone call. Like was it the old lady or was it the dad who had passed the husband who had passed away? I never even considered that. I just immediately thought it was the nice old lady. The nice old lady who was waving at Abigail checking in on her. Either way, very protective, good haunting. Yes. A spirit made a phone call to save a little girl's life. Wow. And with that, I conclude this episode, a few extra stories that we have. Don't worry. Don't worry. You know, but you have multiple from listeners. I do. And I pulled the read because one of them is super short. But it is, like I love this topic because it's a nice thought that even it's so morbid of me. But I keep the most recent voicemail from everyone who's ever given me a voicemail. Yeah. Just so I'd have the most recent recording of their voice should something ever happen. And I feel like a lot of people make that's what you want. Like you want to hear your loved ones voice voice again. But it is so nice to think that like you might, but like it's not just a voicemail. Like it's right.

41:10You can act like I contact. Well, I have that phone call from my grandma of her saying happy birthday, Alexis, because she had called my number instead of my sister's number. But so every year on my sister's birthday, I send her that voice mail. So nice. I love therapy. I love taking care of my mental health. And I know a lot of other people want to take care of their mental health. But it's one of those things that they just keep putting off, especially because it can be hard to find someone who takes your insurance. So it's just hard to find a therapist. But that is why we love RULA getting help with RULA is easier than talking yourself out of it. First, because of the cost with RULA sessions cost an average of $15 with insurance. And they actually show you the cost upfront. So you're not guessing or worrying about some surprise bill later. Second, RULA focuses on quality care. They vet their providers, they monitor outcomes, and 90% of patients report feeling better and making real progress. They also really prioritize finding the right therapist. You can find a therapist that fits your specific needs. Truly, RULA simplifies all of it.

42:11You can sign up in just a few minutes, get matched, see your cost, and even book an appointment as soon as the next day. RULA accepts over 120 insurance plans nationwide. If you're ready to stop talking yourself out of finding care and making progress, then head to RULA.com. That's RULA.com and take the first step. So this first story is from our listener, Amanda. And I love it because it's called an otherworldly visit from my mass whole dad. Okay, hello, my favorite madams of the macabre. My name is Amanda. I'm a Boston native now, a Pittsburgh transplant, and I have become obsessed with your podcast. I've always been a creepy kid, and I'm writing to tell you an experience I had after my dad said in passing in 2022. Massachusetts will always be home, and the community for us weirdos is strong here, even allowing me to open an alternative bakery doing pop-ups at metal shows. I'm also an aband, a bit of an artist, flightiest fuck, forever a hustler, even with four kids.

43:13So a lot of the tenacity I have, as well as some of the not-so-great-trades, they come from my dad. I was an only child, and my parents divorced when I was young. I don't think my dad ever got over my mom, and sadly he struggled with the substance abuse, and lost almost everything he had as a successful cranberry grower. And a lot of my childhood was pretty traumatic. But being from my generation and where I was raised, you just suck it up and you keep living. My dad was also passionate. He had a brilliant voice. He loved playing guitar about as much as he loved sunflower seeds, which I found in his actual guitars a lot of the time. Oh, that's so cute. My dad moved to New Hampshire when I was around 22, and when I drive three hours just for South Shore bar pies and carver. No, my dad's the cab. Wait, did you see that video where it was like names that I can't name my children because my mom has a really thick Boston accent. And then she was like Carter, and the mom was like Carter. She's like Carter. And then for Charlotte, she was like Charlotte.

44:14Charlotte. My stomach. For something like Charlotte. My dad loved taking drives, which is also something I inherited. In August of 2021, I visited him with my kids, and my dad was not himself. He was angry, depressed, and his health was failing. And he treated me the way he did when I was younger, which this time he did in front of my children. When we left, I cried in the car because I had the strangest feeling that it would be the last time I saw him. And I hated the idea of those being the last memories my children and I would have. But I didn't express that to him. Over the next few months, we spoke periodically, but I didn't answer when he would call on his morning dunks run nearly enough. In 2022, I told him I was coming out in April to help him get a doctor and his health issues in order. But on March 20th, I got a call from his longtime partner that he had passed in his sleep from congestive heart failure. No goodbye. In his last voicemail, because I hadn't answered his call with him yelling at me to answer my phone. He sounded desperate, and I didn't listen to the voicemail until after he passed.

45:17I was devastated. I went home to Boston to make arrangements, but the rest of the family decided not to do a memorial until September, which I was unable to attend with the kids going back to school. So I got no closure and I was heartbroken. My husband and I were at home three days after my dad's passing. We were pulling into a parking garage to do some shopping, and it was that moment that I just completely lost my shit and broke down. I was sobbing in the car, unloading everything to my husband when all of a sudden I started getting a phone call through the car's Bluetooth. It was my fucking dad. I answered completely shaken. Hello. It was silent for a moment. And then I heard what sounded like an old landline receiver being hung up. The call ended. I was completely shook. I immediately called my dad's girlfriend and asked if she had just called me from his phone. She said no, she would never. And the phone hadn't moved from his nightstand since he passed away. Wow. I spared her the details, but confirmed we were coming up. When we got there, my husband immediately turned on my dad's phone and checked the call log. And sure enough, at 3.14 pm, there was an outgoing call made to me. Wait, I feel like that's really unique because so many times there's no record in the call log.

46:19Yeah. I feel like that's the only thing that I've ever had existed. But dad was like I need to talk to her. Later that evening, my husband said that what he heard didn't sound like the phone hanging up, but more of like a sigh, almost one of exasperation. And keep in mind, I had been crying when the call came in. And my dad hated when I got emotional. So it felt like it was him calling and saying, give me his typical Jesus Christ Amanda. You want some cheese with that wine? It was his mass whole way of telling me he was still with me. And there was no reason to worry. Thank you for letting me share one of the most profound moments of my life proof that we don't just disappear. From one spooky mass hole to two others, Amanda. Dang, you know what's so great is like when people's personalities and the way that they communicate still come through. Oh, yeah. Even if it's like harsh or insensitive or like whatever. Yeah. I feel like it does provide humor and also just like some relief in knowing like the yeah, that's off the table. Yeah. The person that you think that it is. Right. It is. They didn't just become like a peaceful zen Buddhist.

47:19Oh, I know. You see so much and everything is so beautiful over a year. Like, he's like, he's watching over you. Stop fucking whining. Oh my god. Pick up your damn phone. But I would like some cheese with that wine, dad. Thank you. Sounds delicious. Cheese when you're sad. Yes. I love that. Okay. The second one. This is from my listener Shannon. Hi, Karen and Sabrina. I discovered your podcast this year and bingeed it while I did all of my Halloween DIYs this year. I'm back in 2021. I love the encounters episode and our episodes. And I know you guys like some lighthearted ones and not so spooky ones. So I'm too free. The first one happened to my cousin, but she called me immediately after experiencing it. Our grandmother passed away in July 2020. This is difficult on my family as you know, this during the pandemic. And we hadn't seen my grandmother since before March of that year. Oh, wow. Since nursing homes and hospitals were restricting visitors. I truly tear up thinking about it. Anyway, my cousin was especially close to my grandma and having a really hard time with it. So she had saved several voicemails for my grandma and had put them into these really cool

48:19photo frames that when you press the button, it would play the voicemail. These were not motion-centered at all. Like you physically had to press the button on the picture frame for it to talk. One night we're having a big storm and interestingly enough, one of the voicemails my cousin chose to save and put in one of the frames saying, hi, just calling to see how you made it out in the storm or something along the lines of that. And then I'll talk to you soon. So my cousin is at home and there's a massive storm going on. She's standing nowhere near this photo frame when all of a sudden the frame starts playing over and over again. Hi, just calling to see how you made out in the storm. Hi, just calling to see how you made out in the storm. Ooh, hi, just calling to see how you made out in the storm. My cousin obviously terrified was like, what is going on? It suddenly stopped but it repeated over and over. Once it did finally stop, she called her dad. The second he picked up, the frame went off again. As if my grandmother heard my uncles and her dad's voice and wanted to get his attention too. Then my cousin called me after and it hasn't happened since.

49:20It's just weird because it happened specifically during the severe storm. Yeah. It's like the perfect sign. Yeah. Just checking it. I'm just checking it. Yeah. How are you doing? I also feel like if you just kind of happening at random, you might be able to excuse it away as being like a whole to something. It only happened that night multiple times during the storm. And relating to what was actually going on around my eyes. And it sounds like there are multiple voice mails saved. I don't know if it's like one per frame or maybe there's multiple per frame. I don't know. But like for just that voice mailed over. Yeah. Okay. The next story is not as freaky. Just an odd coincidence and it has to do with my cousin and my grandma on my other side. I grew up in New England. I didn't realize I picked two New England ones. When my grandparents had this big house and giant backyard in Smithfield, Rhode Island, all of my cousins on that side are girls. So there was nothing but shrieking and playing and giggling. And of course tons of sleepovers at grandma's. Me and my cousin Molly were the oldest two out of all of us. Molly the oldest. And Molly and I spent most of our time there and slept over the most.

50:22Our whole childhoods were nothing but joyful and fond memories of that house. Except I was always exceptionally creeped out by the upstairs hallway. It had three bedrooms at the end of the hallway and one of them had an old trunk of full of letters from my great grandparents from Ireland. And another room had these old porcelain dolls. Of course. Nothing ever really happened. But that eerie energy in the hall was probably fun. One of those things either the dolls or the letters. Eventually they sold that house and I grew up always having dreams about it. The dreams were always about really odd things happening in that hallway. A few weeks ago I was texting Molly and casually mentioned that I have dreams about the Smithfield House. I immediately responded asking what kind of dreams. And I mentioned that they were about ghosts or creepy things. She goes, oh my god, I've always been creeped out by that hallway too and also have dreams about ghostly things happening there. Interesting. So yeah, we both got this to ourselves our entire lives and never spoke of it until this text conversation. We just discovered this. It makes me wonder if they're being manipulated by the house to have the same dreams.

51:24Like what their actual dreams are or if they're just both picking up on the energy. So much like in their subconscious there. Every once in a while revisiting the fear of the place or did those things actually happen. But they blocked it out of their memories. But it's happening again in their dreams. I don't know. Okay, the last one. This is a short one from a listener Brent and we may have caused this one. Hi, longtime listener, third time caller. So let's just cut to the chase because this is short. I'm going back to listen to old encounters episode because they're the creepiest to me. So here I am in my kitchen listening when I get a phone call. I'm like, oh, of course, another spam call. I'm in an unfortunate phase of being called nonstop by spam numbers. So anyway, I send this one to voicemail like I do all the others. But then I see the transcription of the voicemail pop up on my phone. The message is short and sweet. Die. Well, damn. Fuck. And then I curious went to go listen to it and turn off. It's also a female voice saying die. Well, oh my god. I screenshot it and then I deleted that because I don't need that shit on my phone.

52:26But yeah, so a little creepy coincidence by listening to y'all. Here's a screenshot of the voicemail beneath. It was encounters 175 and then it has the transcription. It says die. Oh, I do not like that at all. I'm curious what story was playing. Yeah. That's what I also remember. I might say of when I was in middle school and my friend or maybe it was early high school. My friend Margaret in the morning when I woke up, she was like, wait, what? What did you say to me? Why did you say that? And I was like, what are you talking about? It was all over text. She was like, why did you tell me to die? And I was like, literally, what are you talking about? And she screen-shotted the text message thread and what didn't exist on my phone existed on hers where it showed my phone texting her at like 2 a.m. or 3 a.m. like middle of a night to die or something like that. Well, that's how that's the one time that I had you come cleanse my college dorm. Oh, yeah. Because I got a text from my roommate that said don't die. And I was like, what? And she was like, what?

53:26And then I spent her screen-shotted. She goes, I didn't send that. And on her side, there was no outgoing text saying don't die. Yes. That's like where I truly felt like a paranormal investigator who's text me and I like put things in a little pretty case. She really came over with a briefcase. I had a little metal piece. You had a feather. I think it was a makeup case. Like a hard, so funny. But I like threw everything out, put all my like spiritual stuff in. And I remember my legit. She was very scared because she was also pretty develi Catholic at the time, wasn't she or she was in. She was in. She was something. She was born again, I think. I didn't know. She was something and things were going on and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was scary when you get a text saying die or don't die. That's, yeah, very scary. I don't know. And you were in one of the newer dorms too. Yeah. But that doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. That means you're hoping. Tang. Yeah. And those are just a couple that I found because I was trying to find like a variety of things. I mean, there's so many stories online too. Mm-hmm. And it's like I just went with the ones that were published in like actual articles and

54:27like regular blog posts. Like if I went to Reddit or something like, I'm sure there'd be a million more stories. We might need to do a Reddit episode like that. Oh, we should. I love this topic. Clearly, I've forgotten I did it before. And this is the best topic. We've revisited it a few times. Yeah. We'll do it again. That's the call to action. So if you have had any paranormal ghostly calls, please email them to us. And also does email us any of your experiences in general because we want to hear them. Our email is two girls, my ghost podcast at gmail.com. That is listed in the show notes on our website, on our Instagram page, kind of everywhere. So if you don't know where to email, you can find it. And you can join us on Patreon if you want episodes one week early. Add free plus bonus content. Plus join us live for Canfrey Stories where you can tell your ghost stories to us. It's a weekly event. We also have witch class and book club and so many other fun benefits over there. And thank you to Jamie Ryan who edits and produces our podcast. We love you all very, very much. And we will see you on the other side.

55:29There's me.