Ep.204 White Rabbit / There's UFO's Over New York (Throwback)

0:00You don't do a 517. Do you want to report a UFO? Negative. We don't want to report. Erie's 31. Do you wish to report a UFO? We want to report one of those data. Erie's 31. Do you wish to file a report of any kind of a? I wish I would kind of report a wildfire. Erie's 31 mean either. There are 7-1 particles. Good. And it was 9-1-1. I'd love us to pass with like 30 seconds to go. There's 7-1 particles. Negative. Okay. It's up to us. Are you a UFO? Yes. It's emergency. 9-1-1. Yes. It's up to us. Don't know what it was, but it's at least 2-3-3-2-3 above us. The ice pass right over the top of us. 9-1-1. Are you guys moving? We're moving. We're calling on to the old recording. We're up here. Stay in the airplane. I just asked for a phone by swear to God.

1:03Four calls in on an identified object, every Liberty. Four calls. Four calls on an identified flying object. We're not picking up. Er, we'll check it out. Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter and would like to be on the show, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail.com Hello everyone and welcome to the show, wherever in the world you are listening from. I hope you've all had a great weekend. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. We start this episode with Stephen in the United Kingdom and Stephen will be sharing his UFO experiences, some strange activity in

2:07Yosemite Park and a paranormal encounter in France and then we connect with Miriam in New York City who witnessed with a colleague a large triangular craft that was dark gray in color with a spectacular array of bright lights underneath while they were stuck in slow-moving traffic on night avenue. If you enjoy listening to the podcast and would like to help support my work, there is a couple of ways to do this. Either you can join Patreon and become a patron of the show for as little as $5 a month or you can donate via PayPal and if you like you can set up monthly reoccurring payments or links to support the podcast are below in the show notes and on the website. Any help is extremely appreciated and it helps the show to continue running. Now on with the show.

3:09Good evening Stephen and welcome to the podcast. Good evening Nick, thanks for having me on and thank you for coming on today and your calling from Surrey in the United Kingdom. That's right, yeah sunny sorry it's very hot at the minute. Sunny Surrey, now you have some experiences to share with us that occurred in three different countries. Would you like to start the beginning please Stephen? Yeah I think the one that really sort of kicked everything off going down the rabbit hole with everything was Christmas day evening 2009 around midnight. I was with my wife who was pregnant at the time so she was driving we drove back from my in-laws, parked on the road, getting out the car, very quiet as you imagine after midnight and Christmas day and looked up in the sky. I'd say probably about 2,000 feet in high in distance and probably about a mile away I would

4:12say were three orange orbs so my first instinct was oh look it's Chinese lanterns but they were really solid in and they weren't flickering and they were moving far too quick and in an organized fashion to be Chinese lanterns and then I pointed them out to my wife who saw them as you know questioning what they were and then from behind two more orange orbs like kind of look like they caught up with them flew up behind them in a sort of formation and then they just flew off into the horizon same speed and disappeared behind a tree line. I did actually film it because I did have a video camera with me but looking back at the 30 it was just it just could have been anything on the footage you know it just didn't look good enough I still got that tape I've no idea where it is but yeah that was really intriguing because obviously my wife was with me

5:13and she'd seen it and we couldn't I mean we live fairly fairly near Heathrow so you know I do know what things flying around in the sky look like and this was not an aeroplane of any description and it certainly wasn't Chinese lanterns so that was the first time I saw orange orbs about two years later 2011 it was the summer time but I'm not the date is a bit hazy on that the month but I got up in the middle of the night to go to the toilet and we're right at the top floor got a window looking right out over the rest of the houses quite high up and about a hundred meters this time in the sky so really low was a single orange orp and it was on its own flying quite slowly towards me I'd say about 30 miles an hour and that one was really vivid it was like a

6:17solid orange ball it didn't emanate any light it looked like the light was completely self-contained and it's one of those you know the classic rub your eyes have a look wonder what was that you know what is that it'd probably the size of a maybe a basket ball something like that and it just came towards me flew over the top of the house I quickly ran downstairs and tried to look at it from the back which I saw it for a little bit and then it disappeared that one I witnessed on my own and that was that that was really vivid out of all of them that was the closest I've seen them or seen it and then the last of the orange orbs items was New Year's Eve 2019 so I was with my wife both my kids I was in a place called L'Asabla de l'One which is in the Vondée in France we're staying at the apartment there we went down to the beach to celebrate New Year's so

7:23we took you know bottle of wine we sat on the sand the kids were running up and down there was no one around at all and we were making our way back it's kind of like a very quiet posh suburban sort of French area once you leave the beach and go up through the town nothing around nobody around at all and again saw three orange orbs pointed them out to the kids and my wife were staring and wondering what they were and then the again they're probably like two thousand feet in the sky about a mile away and then as we're watching them all the lights went out all the street lights all the house lights is massive power cut which lasted probably about a minute as they flew silently overhead then they disappeared behind some cloud cover and all the lights came back on so I was quite glad I'd witnessed two of these sightings with my wife because otherwise

8:29people wonder you know if you're making it up but she's she's very kind of like you know logical brain on her but you know you kind of send me down a bit of a rabbit hole with orange orbs and I've since found out that it's quite a common sighting I believe I've heard some on your podcast other people have seen them as well so yeah that was a that was three interesting sightings that's for sure then there's one with this this happened this is the last of the kind of UFO style sightings this happened in June so really recent it was midweek I don't remember which day I was the last to go to bed kids were in bed my wife was upstairs reading I was really clear night crystal clear sky no clouds at all whatsoever I'd gone out I'd open the back doors just have a literally just

9:29have a look at the sky because it was you could see pinpricks of light all over the sky you could see all the stars you know I like a bit of star watching I was looking out and in the distance I could see a plane flying I thought oh this is this would be the perfect night to see something if anything was going to appear I wish it would appear type thing and then just as I was about to go back in doors I looked up directly above my head and in the entire sky there was one single cloud a small white cloud which I thought that's odd just sitting there and then the cloud dissipated and an extremely bright white light was appeared or was there larger than a star and it just flashed on an off-light quickly then slowly directly above me is very very bright and it this must gone on for about 20 seconds then the small cloud reappeared covered the light

10:33as it were and then it they both disappeared the cloud and the light that one did freak me out a little bit because more than anything it kind of felt like it was a always being signaled or something so that one yeah I closed the I remember thinking actually to myself I think I even said it out loud I closed the back doors and I said to myself that that was something you know that really genuinely was something I mean like I said watch the sky I'm interested in you know observing trees and things like that and this wasn't a star it was a fixed light wasn't an aeroplane so yeah I've no idea what that was but that was an interesting one so I got yeah I've got a few here but I'll tell one that my dad told me first of all and then one that my son told me I saw my

11:33dad not that long ago and I took notes I said oh do you remember that ghost story you told me and he said yeah and he recounted it so I took notes so my dad was in the air training core in 1962 he was based in Catford London and their headquarters was a four-story Victorian house with large grounds and the top floor of the house was the armory and in that armory obviously it's pretty serious staff rifles machine guns ammunition etc and three of them including my dad three privates were sent up to the top to sort the ammo boxes out so they're all kneeling down you know moving the ammo boxes around and one of the privates looks up my dad remembers him looking up and turns to the doorway of the ammo room and he just shouts what are you doing here you know very

12:37seriously because obviously you're in an army area full of weaponry so they all turned and my dad said about five meters away there was a very smartly dressed man in Victorian style dress with a hat etc just staring at them so they all got up immediately and the first private just like march towards him and said you're not allowed in here you need to get out and as soon as they walked up to turn the corner and vanished so they were really shaken up you know young men at the time and they ran back downstairs and they found the commanding officer who sort of told them you know calm down listen to their story made in the cup of tea that kind of thing my dad kind of thinks that potentially that commanding officer knows that other people had experiences like that so they search the building there was no one in it and they locked up but yeah

13:38again my dad is not one for making up stories on any level so I always found that one quite intriguing there's another story this is this happened to my son we always used to say you know did you you know ghost stories and whatever come up the kids find it quite interesting and he said oh I you know I saw a ghost he always used to say he saw a ghost of a black man he said don't you remember I used to tell you I saw a ghost of a black man so I thought literally I took it literally as a black man so later on I thought I think I heard something on the podcast I thought about shadow people so I said all right I'm gonna ask him again now he's a bit older I said can you you know recount that story you told me again and he I think it was about four or five he slept he was sleeping in our bed which he'd love to do for a quite long time and he

14:42said he could hear us downstairs we were still up downstairs he could hear us talking and in our room when if you're laying on the bed you can see the banisters to the right leading up obviously into our room we're right in the loft of the house old lofters loft conversion and he said he looked across and he saw a man looking through the banisters holding on to the banisters and staring him and I said oh what does he look like black man he said no he was just all black completely black like a shadow and he was wearing a hat I think and like a long style sort of overcoat that was it he said it was literally just like a shadow and then he said as he looked at it initially he thought it was me and then as he as he was staring at it I think he actually said dad as he was looking at the figure and the figure to run up the stairs and literally

15:48jumped like it was going to jump on to the bed and then just disappeared like broken to their millions of pieces and just disappeared so it was yeah I've heard a few things about shadow people etc and it was only after I heard that and then he recounted that to me I thought okay that's maybe what he saw so that was quite an interesting one a couple of things that happened to me so obviously that's my dad and my son I'd say this is really I mean real sort of classic sort of ghost sighting for me I was in this was summer 1998 so I was working the music industry as well as my girlfriend at the time she was French she had a a house or her family had a house in the South of France near Beirots this house was her grandmother's old house now this house was in the middle of nowhere you know it really what I think the nearest house is probably five miles away

16:50there's a woodland like behind it it's your classics of old French you know squat-taunted house type situation it really nice house anyway I remember like waking up I was she was I just woke up she was shaking me she was saying Stephen Stephen look and she was pointing to the corner of the room and I could I turned over and I could just see the shadow of her when it was like a white glowing figure I should say of an old lady it looked like to me oh my girlfriend was just saying oh it's my grandma it's my grandmother she was really freaked out by it all obviously and I I kind of shot myself really because I got straight up out of bed and walked towards it because I was like what's this you know and I waved my hands through it and as I'm waving my hands it just sort of disappeared and I was like opening the curtains I was looking around it really you know I can work out what it was at all I think I thinking

17:53bad I think that was on the first night we stayed there so you imagine every night after that I'm sort of waking out in the middle of night with one hour open checking the corner of the room but yeah that was really interesting that again that felt quite a strange one and yeah I mean I guess I mentioned oh I'd gone summer August 2014 we were in Los Angeles for a wedding and we were heading out after that to Yosemite Park which I don't know if you've been to Yosemite's an amazing place I absolutely loved it we stayed at a hotel called the Awani hotel really grand old looking hotel really atmospheric surrounded by all the granite mountains all around stunning it's got a real vibe though there's something about it went into the hotel really really nice hotel but

18:59you know there was something about it that I can't say to my wife this has since familiar this place you know I think we were having dinner in the grand sort of banketing hall bit and I had to go back to the room to go and get something I kind of felt uneasy about going back to the room which is not me at all but I kind of thought I don't really like going back up there on my own it's got in the lift I can't remember what floor we're on but it certainly wasn't the top floor hit the button to go up and I was on my own in the lift and the lift just kept going and got to the top floor and then the lift doors just opened I remember like seeing it was a long carpet in front of me like quite bold color carpet and right at the very end of the corridor was a mirror could you see myself looking myself in the mirror I was hitting the button pretty rapidly I really like not a comfortable feeling and then the lift went back down to my floor and I could say into my wife like every night we slept in the room there

20:02was a little gap underneath the door and you could see like a flow of light from obviously from outside in the corridor and pretty much every night I would turn and I think I could see the silhouette of a pair of feet outside the door and they sort of rub my eyes or look close and get up and see them like step away and then yeah so there was a few instances like that I mean I like to run I do a lot of running so I'd gone after a few runs around that area and there was a real feeling of like you know being watched when I when I ran I mean I believed there was an old the Awanchi Indians reservation was there it's got a real atmosphere there I mean I since found out it seems we left I can't remember we we went off to Carmel after that and I did a little bit of research and found out that that was the hotel that inspired the shining and it's a classic sort of you know ghost story one of the haunted hotels of the world type thing

21:03doesn't surprise me at all had a massive atmosphere there but yeah it's a really really like a really nice hotel really beautiful place but yeah it's got something in the air as it were yeah so that's it as far as like ghost stories go whatever I've got one more little story for you Nick so yeah last of all I kind of yesterday I was thinking well I thought this was why I thought yeah I bet something happened before I go on the podcast with Nick you know and I hadn't thought much more about that I thought that few weeks ago and then yesterday I was listening to a podcast driving on my way home from work and I was listening to the podcast about how you know dead people can't you know give signs to to people who are alive about that there's life after death et cetera so yeah it's quite interesting I was listening you know a little bit half-heartedly to be honest and then that's all right I turned off the podcast and I said out loud to

22:11somebody that was very dear to me that is dead I said okay I want you like a challenge it was almost I said I want you to give me a sign that there's life after death there is something and I was thinking my head okay what can the sign be in a van drive past me and on the back of the van doors it said white rabbits so I said okay I want to see you know within 24 hours if you if I see a white rabbit you know that's your sign so yeah I felt like a little bit of a challenge anyway I forgot that I said it and then you know put the radio back on Paul there was one I've pulled into my road and there was one parking space this is about an hour and a half later there's one parking space there so I pulled into the parking space turned off the car and turned immediately to my

23:11left and in the window of the house was a model of a white rabbit looking at me so I thought okay that feels like it could be a bit of a sign so yeah that's it Nick I've probably got other stories but I can't think of them right now good job Stephen so I hope that's all good for you interesting stuff so we got three generations of a family all having paranormal experiences yeah yeah it's yeah it's interesting I mean I'm always interested in you know other people's ghost stories or experiences and over the years you hear a few but I think when they're first hand from you know family members who like I say don't kind of they got no reason to make anything up and certainly it's someone like my dad just you know quite straight down the line would never make something like that and like I say it's like with all these things even like my own sightings or whatever I've got no qualms telling people about them

24:15because you know that they're very real things that happen to me and other people always kind of say oh yeah of course and then they follow it you know five minutes later with a story that they've got or they've heard so yeah I always find it interesting hearing other people's stuff I'm the same you know I can be at a barbecue and and there'll be family members there which don't obviously know what I do and then there'll be other guests and then you get into conversation and then that's what I'll get the whole the whole time I'll be at these functions I get people telling me tell them either accounts or their ghost stories or their parents ghost stories so yeah everyone has them yeah definitely um you know and I think certainly as you get older and whatever you know I think we'd be really naive not to think there is anything else especially as we only perceive our own reality through our own senses so it's like saying you know if there is only anything that exists is only because we know it exists a bit there's you know our five senses pick it up but you know

25:20adult can smell what four thousand times more than we can so they're picking up stuff we can't you know so that's right yeah yeah and you know it's there's so much more and you know it's it's a fascinating subject and I say I do a lot of reading I do a lot of research and I listen to a lot of podcasts and there seems to be themes going through a lot of the things as well you know similar types of experiences or theories on stuff you know not that we're ever know it all but I think as long as you're open-minded to it you know the experience itself is important you know all these things have happened to me especially with the orange orbs they've felt more like a personal sign than anything else like a something that's just like I say like the white rabbit you know it's something that's put in front of you for you to to follow for you to go

26:24down rabbit holes and and research and read about it and then once you go down that rabbit hole there's so much out there you know you can never really go back to being shuttered about about life after that you know there's so much more to it and I don't think I'd want to be you know I wouldn't I don't think I'd want to go back no hundred percent I mean you know it's whether you you know you're religious or you have a spiritual relief or you're into UFOs or whatever it is they're all tied somehow and there's a lot of common connection and I think you know we're here to learn we're here to be expansive in our thinking and to shut that off is just you know you know it's unbearable to think about really I think you know it's like there's people so if you ask what do you think it's all about you know I don't know I don't really care that's more worrying you know if you can concern themselves with with what I call the admin of life then which we all have to do but you know the outside of that surely you

27:29should be thinking about you know higher purpose and other stuff of course I mean there's two levels of life isn't there there's there's what we're living now you know we're going to work every day we're doing shopping you know we're going out watching a football ever and then there's never sight of life which runs completely parallel with us where these things happen and these things happen to people all over the world you know yeah yeah and it is fascinating and you know I've met a lot of people in my lifetime and like I say everyone's got a story everyone's got an interest and everything everyone's got something that they have seen or they've heard and and it it takes you away from it like you say we have to we we have to drink we have to go to work we have to pay the bills we have to do these things but outside of that there's a there's a way to lift ourselves out of that mundane and be able to look at it from outside and I think that's that's part of a human condition and you know

28:31we need we need mystery and we need our answered questions because then part of it is our pursuit of of that you know and I think that's what makes makes it all really interesting it'd be a dull world otherwise wouldn't it? I agree it's a bit like when you're a child first watching that magic trick for the first time yeah yeah and they say no I'm not going to tell you how it's done and then you realize yeah of course never know how it's done and that that's far more interesting exactly yeah it is and it's that that's mystery and I find it very exciting that there is something a lot more than what we you know oh so much more I mean I find it really interesting I mean listening for example to your podcast and when you listen to a lot of them you know back to back or whatever you know I went to a phase I probably listened to one a day because I obviously like I told you earlier being on the road you can really join the dots on a lot of them and these are people who obviously don't know each other but there's

29:32there's common themes about patterns of things that happen or what they see or what they felt or theories behind it or whatever and I think that's really important because it's collating information you know and it's it hints at something you know bigger I mean and you've got to think like that I mean someone said to me the other day they said yeah how advanced that the human race was I said yeah you know let we're still killing each other in mass we can't share resources properly we're destroying the planet come on you know it's got to be more to it than that so I think you know being looking deeper into things is the future you know I genuinely think all these things that happen to people are little clues about it and hopefully sort of be a cohesive thing for humanity you know moving forward I right yeah you're absolutely right a lot glimpses so I look at the showers as a bit like an audio version of a

30:35crime scene ball you know where you have yeah photographs they have the the lines that point to this direction that point you know I think there's that's the way this show is there's all these little clues in there there's always synchronicities and details that they are all connected somehow you're absolutely right there's so many that there's similar types of experiences and they leave you with similar types of feelings you know like I said that first you know 2009 or in Jolves experience it felt like a bit of a sign to search because I did search you know I started doing a lot of reading and researching and thinking differently about stuff due to what I had seen you know and that kind of a healthy thing surely you know to think more and look deeper you know that that that's got to be a good thing yeah because also you're looking into yourself as well yeah completely yeah opens up who you know what you know what humanity is what we are what is the nature of consciousness and etc

31:37and like I said we're we never know I don't think in this lifetime but I think at least you you need to be looking at it you know I'm a big fan of people that are researchers I'm a big George Harrison fan and he was definitely one of the researchers you know and he was someone that thought a lot about these things and even he said you know it felt to boo often to be talking about this stuff and he was a beetle you know but he had friends that would not want to talk about it yeah I can speak of from experience and that's absolutely right and there's a lot of people which you're in a family where they're interested sometimes obsessed in the subject and they'll be kind of considered the black sheep because they're a bit odd yeah just because they're more open to things they're more open to asking questions about stuff yeah and I think you know it's like that knock in the door will be open it is like if you are open

32:39stuff you're far more likely to experience it because you're not looking at your feet you're looking up you're taking more of your environment and so yeah I can completely agree but I think you know like I said there's a lot more you know there's many more people thinking about this stuff now I think and there's a lot of people in the public eye that you know I've kind of followed their their path to not enlightenment but certainly people that are thinking a little bit deeper you know and we can see it all around us and I think that is really really important like I say George Harrison being one someone like Jim Carey being another you know even people like Russell Brand they might not be right in everything that they're saying but at least they're searching you know Lisa are asking questions exactly exactly and that you write a lot of people are starting to become a bit more open they're starting to travel different routes you

33:42know I always say the people you know it's it's always a good thing to go outside get away from that junkness on TV you know look at meditate and you know get your body in your mind together you know I'm not going down that hip you ready for anything I'm just saying this is a lot of breathing technique and I use meditation it's just you know it's nothing more than centering your brain you know and being aware of yourself it's a really really healthy thing to do you know and people are suddenly realizing that you see the growth of people like Wim Hof you know the Wim Hof method and things like that cold exposure getting back to nature because we're realizing the system is a bit dysfunctional a bit you know massively dysfunctional and we're pursuing the capitalist values and things that really don't it's not healthy for the human race in the long run and I think lockdown really highlighted that people really had a

34:43chance to pause and see really what stuff was about and it's no coincidence after lockdown people started not wanting to go back to particular jobs or they started to pursue creative activities reading more be more artistic playing of the guitar painting a picture you know seeing nature come back no aircraft in the sky you know more wildlife in the streets that that type of thing and I think that you know was a healthy thing in a lot of ways I though it soon gets forgotten pretty sharpish when everything goes back to normal and there's a lot of listens out there which be the connector what you just said there because they've done the same they've they've taken up hobbies or yeah or talents that they've had but never really used before and during that time they were able to do that kind of stuff people appreciated their time at home a lot more obviously there's there's different ends to that yeah yeah I mean I

35:43think it's the pursuit of you know of following stuff and maybe they you know it's a time of reflection which is meditation really you know that is a type of reflection looking at stuff and I think people in lockdown had suddenly suddenly going do you know what I don't really like getting the train at six every morning going sitting in that office and doing that particular job and I'm not just going to give up that dream that I was going to do something else perhaps I will pursue it and and I just hope people came out of lockdown and you know and did follow those things but I think it's a good it was a good time reflection I mean I'm pretty sure there must have been a lot more UFO sightings during that period mainly because people at home you know I don't know if that's true but yeah it seems that it would be an ideal time for you know people to experience more and more stuff because they're more open to it you know because it's suddenly your reality changes you've gone from going

36:44nine to five and doing this routine something like oh hold on this is a bit of a sort of apocalyptic scenario here how far will it go and you really got to start to question yourself and society when it goes down that route yeah I'd like say I wrote the book that I was meant to be writing in lockdown but I didn't I didn't do a garden design course so there we go and summit you were doing before no it was I've always been interested in design and and gardens and planting and whatever and yeah I just did that during lockdown I was actually going up to London you know to do the course is a bit uncomfortable wearing a mask and social distancing in the classroom and stuff but no it's been it's been really interesting you know and I think that that's it you know gave me that impetus to kind of do different things and I hope that's the same with everyone else you know just just follow dreams that you have that's super important yeah do something you enjoy doing and if you enjoy it you'll do it

37:49well that's for sure you'll give it your best if you want to work outside if you enjoy being at a nature go work outside become a garden you know yeah exactly if you want to work with animals the same you know do something that you enjoy that's going to benefit you as well as others yeah exactly and you're you know you're true calling then if it's something you really enjoy you'll put a lot into it and you know people will buy into it as well and you know if someone's really keen and they're talking to you's acid about it you get encouraged you want to buy into that idea and I think you know that's really important for everyone Stephen I really appreciate you coming on the show and sharing that for our listeners thank you so much for having me Nick it's been a pleasure and yeah it's been great good experience thanks so much you're more than welcome take care take care of it bye now introducing the high strangeness coffee blend by redacted coffee company a

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39:56hello Miriam and welcome to the podcast hi Nick it's wonderful having you on and thank you for grace in yesterday and you're calling from New York City the big apple it was a big apple before but now it's okay everyone's taken up bite okay Miriam you have a UFO sign to share with us from the 1990s would you like to start the beginning please ma'am yeah well yeah I'm a little bit nervous about this call I mean I've never really talked much about this before you know when it first happened I talked about it to some friends and that really was about the end of it up until recently I haven't felt comfortable because of the stigma attached with people who see anything that you know it's considered paranormal around the ordinary and UFO in particular even though I have friends who in the past I've had a few friends tell me they've seen something but like

41:02me nobody will talk about it you know until recently the finally the government is finally admitting yeah are these things are real and so people are feeling more comfortable I think I know I am yeah they are indeed yeah and you've come to the right place you know everyone that lists this show a very light mind didn't just want to hear other people's accounts and as well as share their own yeah yeah no I know I've been listening it's amazing I think to me what was really surprising in listening to these stories is some of the similarities between what I saw and what other people saw is that kind of concern you know the reality of what we saw it's one thing is you see something and nobody else has ever seen it but when someone can say oh I saw something to fight back and makes a big difference exactly yeah and especially the area where you saw it and the time frame you saw it amazing you actually and no one has to say no one has talked about it

42:08that I'm aware there's been no reports I look in the papers like you know today's afterwards I search the news and somebody has to have you know to go on and say something but then I didn't so my thing is if I didn't want to say anything and maybe everybody else support the same way yeah you're probably right and of course you know that the area of Manhattan you know it's all it's all pretty well built up isn't it so unless I guess you're you're really looking up that way well yeah but she hears the thing when this happened we were literally stuck in traffic on nice avenue it was rush hour I did almost outreach so we were in a van my partner was driving and we were stuck we were armed in a break as I was working with CM to 10 shift at the time so we would take it it was sorry around seven o'clock and it was light because it was summer it was still light out and so we're stuck in traffic heading towards the Lincoln tunnel

43:12when New York City is built it's a grid so avenues run south and north and street run east to west so we're going south on nice avenue going downtown we're on 54th street so we're stuck in traffic and my partner and I simultaneously noticed it's right right right down it so we're looking downtown and where the light was I would estimate that to be up to a half miles away from us was so great this light was so bright and it's bouncing around the sky it's like bouncing literally it's exciting around the sky then it would stop dead and then it would like change selection and so my partner was seeing it now that so he seemed to imagine you know he's familiar with aircraft I'm not but at the same time I know that was not anything that I felt that those

44:15kinds of maneuvers were not something that our aircraft that we have that we were aware of capable of performing over the world so we're looking at each other and what is that you're looking at these and we're just looking and not too long after we first noticed it we realized it was changed direction and it was coming heading our way and honestly to this day I could not tell you how long it took it just didn't seem like it took very long but at the same time when it came over us it was moving relatively slowly it was like gliding so I don't know how it made it from downtown to where we were we were still stuck we're barely moving light on changing people are like just you know we're stuck here and it's it's it's only we feel like coming closer

45:19and I swear it was the most or I mean we were just in awe you know we couldn't even say anything we just both looked at each other and then we stuck our heads off the window almost simultaneously because we just needed to see what this thing was it's just flying over us and it's a huge triangle and so many lights underneath this is what I have not heard a description of one light this before it had lights in the shape of a V in three rows and then in the center was a huge white light now when I say white and bright light they did not give a glare they were just like bright but yes they were I don't know what the word would be but they weren't they weren't giving what you were expected to see as a glare like when you see those bright lights and when they're filming all these were a lot of filming in New York City on the streets and they sometimes at the night

46:21and you see the bright lights as they use this was not that so it's got all these lights underneath a huge round light in the middle so how big is this thing I've tried to draw it and I can't do it because I can never get the I can never get it right in terms of like all those rows of light with this one in the middle it has to be really big and it flew right over us I went right over and I looked next to me because I might head out the window is a jeep a red jeep and there's this woman and she is like just so I go like she was like laughing and I felt like she was like close to this area but it but controlled this area and we just looked at each other and then we just kept looking at this thing as it went by is this incredible if the feeling was like oh I what did we just see you know so my partner and I looked at each other and what was that I don't know

47:21no idea you know we just we again it was like you're you're all stuck and this is another thing made me feel I found very interesting when other people talk about it and they say the same thing that they were almost like I'm able to talk about it afterwards you know a few years I said this is the same the same way we felt I did talk to some friends about it after work I always would go downtown even though it was late we'd meet at this cafe and you know have a late dinner and I told him about it I told our supervisor who laughed and said oh it was probably like a big gun or did he call it a kite or a helicopter or something and he'll and he'll be kidding me you you have to have seen this thing but he was a very kind of pragmatic guy you know and he would never have he just couldn't imagine such a thing what you saw but

48:22sure we were some kind of rational explanation for it you know but no it was just that it's incredible thing and and it left us unable to almost like your stuff dumb if the only way I can describe it you're in awe and then you're like you tell your friends and then you kind of think about it you know you just when you go with it who do you call I'm like you know do I call the newspapers do I call the police no I don't know I didn't do any of that and neither anyone else apparently it was in 1997 by the way somewhere 1997 yeah so it wasn't so a few years later I got I looked into art style of coast to coast good show and and in fact I'm the person who always wanted to see a UFO because I I was like you know I would hear about it and I heard

49:25a couple of friends as I told you say that they had seen something one was a Pennsylvania in the rural street in Pennsylvania and she said people got out of the cars and they sort of saying it I was so envious I'm like wow I've never seen that and another friend asked her I told her told me that she had seen something like this in New York and this was on the east side and the people came out literally came out of the stores to look and again no one ever reported that and this is New York City and so what flew over us that day I know a lot of people has that seen it because not only did it come over us the area where we had first seen it flying way in the distance so it was like doing all these maneuvers that's like the Wall Street area so it's way downtown it's over you know New York Harbor and and the Wall Street district and

50:30Barry Park so there's a lot of people down there how could no one have seen that infallible yeah there would have been lots of witnesses there has to be but this is a part that just drives me crazy you know all these years later why did no one say anything but then again I keep going back to did I say anything did I call anyone no it's almost like you're you're and I don't know is it a function of the UFO itself that it does this to people that makes you kind of say I'm not going to talk about it I can't talk about it so I don't know it's sometimes I think the best function I mean I don't want to get too powerful normal and sound too you know but but are they somehow whoever whatever that is able to impart this kind of telepathic message to

51:32people to not not really talk about it I don't know I don't know so your sighting was in early summer of 1997 and of course you had the the famous Phoenix lights of March of 1997 yeah I didn't hear about that till after I think after uh my sign now I don't think I knew that that had happened in 1997 yeah but you know as you know mentioned on your show other people have mentioned that apparently New York is very active but usually they say the Hudson Valley I'll say to yourself you just don't near it and again why has no one ever said anything it's just it really is the commander my I can't I can't figure it out I mean it could be I mean I do get reports from New York City I've had a few I mean it could be just due to the the skyscrapers you know and everyone's so busy and they're trying to watch they're trying to

52:36watch where they're going down the down the sidewalk so that could be a lot of it and also bearing in mind when that when the famous sightings was John Lennon of course because he saw the UFOs of a New York I didn't know that yeah it's in one of his songs oh I'm a fan but I did not know it was nobody told me oh okay I'm gonna listen to it yeah nobody told me and the um he had sketches he did sketches of what he saw as well you know when that when that happened okay so this was 1974 wow and it was eastside New York yeah well like I said my friend told me that they saw something on the east side it was I think Marathon Avenue it was one of the busier it wasn't this was probably Marathon or Washington she said people came out of the storage literally because obviously it was a bit of a long enough for people to tell others to come out

53:37and yet no one has ever said anything you know same with my side of them and because we were stuck in traffic I have to believe that other people that woman in the car next to you are in the Jeep definitely I mean she just jumped up I mean she was literally standing up um they had the top down and she literally stood up and she was like I said between his area and it controlled his area and laughter um we looked and you know and we didn't say anything to each other around the afterwards you know it's okay and I just looked at each other and what was it you know if I've ever seen anything like that I never had either so I have heard about China and also I took you know I knew where I had seen in that sense but other than that I didn't expect the feeling of being bumped up that came with it with that tiny it really isn't uncommon for for there to be

54:45a sighting and only one person really reports it everyone else that seems to view it and it quite commonly it happens seems to happen on roadways where there's like a traffic jam or a standstill on the freeway and an object will be viewed by multiple people many people will see this object but only one person would report it so and that could be because you know like you said don't know where to report it or you don't think it's a good idea to report it because people think you're crazy is that's it yeah people you know at the time I mean it's bad enough today but in 97 for you to call up and say whatever I'm saying no people weren't gonna stick in X out and just weren't gonna do it but regardless even I think that the temptation to even do it was pampered by the feeling that you just couldn't even talk about it that you were left just dumpster you know I tried to draw it for my friends we laughed because like you know we're sitting

55:50at at the table in the cafe and I say when we try and draw this thing and I just came up with he's like he's so you know it's around white to white pepper oh yeah it's a big triangle it's like a pizza I know that's not where I can't do it we might try and get you to draw again though just to give it a go I mean I'm terrible at drawing and sketching if you can try and get the best to you think you can if it looks like a pizza don't worry at least we know the kind of idea and even if it's just just the placement of the lights yeah just remember detail like that but don't worry if it looks like a flying pizza I mean it's New York City I mean it was it was invented there yeah yeah the lights were like the interesting things from me because nothing that I had ever heard when people spoke about this triangle has lights like this roll literally three rows of light in the shape of a triangle on either side and then in the middle that huge white light they

56:53were all white no color and what we could see between those lights of the of the triangle was like a gray dot gray metal kind of the you know matte metal gray dot gray it wasn't black but the stone lights that I've never never heard of anyone ever seeing one like that but I'm aware I don't know maybe someone else and certainly a lot of people saw it as they didn't really not talking about it but you know all the descriptions always say they have lights on the corners or one light in the middle and you like you know right here and there but this was roll us a roll three rows in that shape which is why I have to feel that it was really big because how do you have that many rows of light when I try to draw it I have to make a damn thing really big it won't work otherwise

57:53it might be worth just putting black triangle UFO into Google there are many depictions on there that might resemble what you did see yeah I found one that resembles it but against the light it has the white light in the middle and it has other lights but not like what I saw not like what we saw you know I need to call Perry because I haven't talked to him we left my job I left my job in 2008 to have nothing in touch with him since then so I don't know if he still thinks about it you know and he was the only ever one in a van with you with me yeah in the van yeah yeah and like I said you know we had my supervisor who I absolutely love but Andrew's like so pragmatic and so rigid he just looked at us and no that didn't happen whatever you saw there's a helicopter didn't make any sound it was totally silent totally silent and it just went right over I think that's going north

59:00I just kept going and it was like little like it was blind but yet how did I get from the way downtown two or three miles I don't know how fast it came but it seemed to me that from the moment we saw that they were heading in our direction it didn't take that long but the sun didn't appear and there it was I mean it was also there was one a black triangle sight in in Brooklyn that was November of 2003 flew over from Stanton Island okay yeah I lived in Brooklyn I was born and raised on the west side of Manhattan using the upper west side but I lived in Brooklyn for about eight years a million thirds and then I moved back to Manhattan downtown by the research saw it down by the people at New Wall Street I lived down there and now I'm back up down but so at the time we saw this I had moved back up down so that's where I knew very well the area where

1:00:04we first saw it is very busy you know but if seven o'clock people are going home like you say they're not looking up they're walking and or driving and New Yorkers don't look up at the sky a whole lot during the day I mean there are 12 buildings down there but it's near the war and a lot of buildings from you know it's all buildings with Wall Street, Jimmy, all these old there's a lot of old buildings down there so they're not skyscrapers but they're all skyscrapers but not all of them are so you have a pretty good view of the sky down there but no one looks up you know not during the day you don't need coming home tired so I can kind of understand maybe not that many people looking up down there but the people that were fucking traffic with me they had to have seen it they have to and they're out there somewhere they're out there still

1:01:05retelling their story to their their kids and grandkids but never reported it yeah like I said the thing is that you you feel a stigma in talking about it honestly other than my friend who I was totally comfortable telling that day I really didn't tell anybody much you know and once it was over it was over and you think about it and you wonder but you don't talk about it it just never really talks about it much until now but and seeing that like I said the government has finally decided that they're gonna come clean on what pilots have seen and what you know a military has seen made me feel more comfortable talking about it and people are gonna look at me and say so but still I think it's pretty much because I know that even if I like a couple of times I

1:02:05posted about it on my Twitter like people don't comment I mean and that's amazing to me it's like always like people asking about this this was like such a strange thought I you know nobody even people don't want to touch it you really don't and that's kind of bad it is but then again with Twitter as it's Twitter's just a lot of people shouting and no one's listening that's the way I see Twitter are you intrigued by paranormal talk radio you love the new paranormal radio app from talk stream live you'll find a great selection of talk shows covering UFOs ghosts strange phenomena and much more download the paranormal radio app now and start listening to the very best in paranormal talk entertainment including the network you're listening to right now the paranormal radio app free in google play and the iOS app store

1:03:13oh well I mentioned it on case book to a couple of friends and I do have one friend who's very interested friend in Texas and um he and I have talked about it a lot in his experience it's like I turned him on to your podcast and he loves it he's so happy I'm glad but so yeah I'm trying to pass the word around to people who I know would be interested and so he and I have talked about it but other than that other people don't comment much and yet you know I'll post some silly thing and everybody will jump in you know I just think people don't want to go there feel the kind of gettish about it you know yeah they still are I mean people are starting to come around a bit and people that weren't particularly interested in a subject before are getting slowly into it a bit more now you couldn't go down the road and start a conversation with a stranger about UFOs now you probably you probably couldn't people be like well okay that's you know that's that's interesting because obviously since the government has started to come out

1:04:17and say stuff they obviously haven't released too much information but they've you know they've suggested definitely a possibility which we were new in any case we didn't we don't particularly need them turn us this so you know people's ears are starting to perk up a little bit and people are starting to take note a little bit more than they used to definitely definitely but again it's more of a cautious I think people are cautious I'll say oh well that's interesting or whatever but again I don't know why I felt like I couldn't really talk about it for so long side from the stigma also that feeling of just but not last big year the feeling of awe and not being able to talk about it really but now it's a little different it's better and I did record it to move on about three years later and for a while I saw it on the web on their database but I looked recently and I couldn't find it but now I think you have a day you have

1:05:24to become a member to be able to search for the database yeah so maybe that's why I couldn't see it there's there's also the national reporting center as well which is free to go and have a look at their their archived reports yeah that's the only downside with the move on that is well I would be interested to see if it's still on the move on that a base because like I said it was there for a while when I first recorded but it should be more it should be a national database that everybody can access well it's kind of frustrating I agree you know I mean I only heard and and they're it because of coast to coast so he used to talk about move on so I finally said you know I should really at least get to some records somewhere you know even though I guess they like I really kicked myself without having called somebody here in New York again who was the least and I don't know but maybe airport I mean someone who would have access to

1:06:26keep track of what's life whatever it takes up their space in the city somebody right so I felt like I wish I had I had done more to contact someone it's kind of a missed opportunity well I mean what like I say it was the night is you know it's different these days where we carried these phones with us and these phones they have you know you download apps now which tells you exactly what's in the sky with the flight radar and stuff but we didn't have those things in you know in the night is and if someone didn't know where they could report it or who they could tell sometimes they tell the police and the police don't really do much about it in any case if they even respond to it yeah the police are just laugh at you especially New York for you yeah yeah they're probably give you a breathalyzer first because you know because of the area because of all the traffic I have to think that maybe they were police cars luck in that traffic or someone in the who's a patrol officer off-duty driving there have to be some people that saw it there's just too many people too many people traffic on 9th avenue huge I was around 54th

1:07:34street and traffic was going all the way downtown so you know like at least a few miles down work of traffic so any listeners out there that were on 9th avenue in summertime of 1997 and think you may have seen so it's similar to what Miriam saw get in contact that would be so amazing especially that woman who read deep I would love if she ever hear her you know I wish that I had said something to her but again we were just speechless really you just couldn't it couldn't grasp what we were seeing and again here I am having written to Art Bell having written to coast to coast knowing about hearing about these things wishing that one day I would see one and when you do you're like oh my god what did I just see what just happened and and you're you're just amazing you're all shrakhan yeah yeah yeah let's chuck is that been the only thing you've

1:08:38seen before all since that was well there was one which actually I had totally forgotten about this was a few years later well quite a few years later and but it was something that was so abstract I did report that one right away because I know I'm coming up from Washington DC I had gone in fact I had gone down there for and that's uh um social what they had we asked it off and stuff I was coming home and I had taken the bus down from New York and I was at the window and the shortest thing which at first I thought was a plane with a contrail but the contrail part was following it literally right behind it so it wasn't leaving a contrail it was like some kind of thing behind it you know when it went obtaining the contrail it's there it's like it's a long long smoking kind of being that it leaves in the sky um but it wasn't doing that the

1:09:45thing was following it so you know the woman that was sitting next to me looked up and I took up my camera I took a picture but I couldn't get anything that it was before away and I wondered what it was it wasn't doing anything strange but it was it looked strange so that was really about it I mean that one I reported just because I wondered if they could get their hands on some kind of radar information put in 2009 so it was you know by then I had more away and there's computer so on and so on so I did report it and I don't know what came of that I don't know because that one was it was again very bright and it was moving in a straight line but it was very strange but that was about it never never saw anything else in front I wish I would so it looks to see that because a lot of you guys try and go again I would you know it's like and here I am

1:10:52I mean I spent time in the Caribbean and time you know lots of places where there's lots of sky and always wondered how I wish I would see something and that is it and then here you are in the middle of New York City you know fucking traffic and you see it unbelievable well you know that image will always stay with you now that's wonderful Miriam well thank you I guess I'm not not having talked about a whole lot I'm kind of nervous but it feels good to you know tell someone who is willing to listen and understand and have heard from other people who have similar experiences really makes a difference of course it does and now you've told hundreds of thousands of people all over the world now and hopefully hopefully there be others out there from New York you know that would have that would have been there and seen the same thing and hopefully they get in contact it does happen fingers crossed you know you never know what was your friend's name in Texas

1:11:55quick shout out to Jimmy how you doing Jimmy how do you know he was so thankful I mean he's like oh my god thank you for turning me on to this you know he really really loves the show good stuff okay Miriam I really appreciate you coming on Sharon out for our listeners oh and I so appreciate you I really do I appreciate everything you do and I love yourself and I wish you so much luck and you know I know that you know for the time being you want to keep you know keep it a small way of doing here I think it's great but I wish you much much much much success thank you Miriam it's been lovely talking to you okay you take care yourself okay talk you soon okay thank you bye bye bye now that's all for this week keep updated and connected with a show on Twitter Facebook and Instagram and if you've had an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com or you can reach out to me via

1:12:58the contact page on my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com a big thank you to Steven and Miriam for sharing tonight and thank you all for listening I will be back next week till then stay safe and keep watching the skies goodbye

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