Ep.220 Detroit Skies / Diamond Shaped (Throwback)

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2:03Hello everyone and welcome to the show, wherever in the world you are listening from. I hope you're all enjoying your week. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. The first guest that joins us tonight is Nefandra from Michigan in the US, sharing his sighting of multiple points of synchronous lights in the sky. Then we meet Mitch from Sheffield in the UK and hear about his encounter with a jet black diamond-shaped craft. Nefandra is up next. If you enjoy listening to the podcast and would like to help support my work, there is a couple of ways to do this. Either you can join Patreon and become a patron of the show for as little as $5 a month or you can donate to via PayPal. And if you like, you can set up monthly reoccurring payments.

3:05All links to support the podcast are below in the show notes and on the website. Any help is extremely appreciated and it helps the show to continue running. Now on with the show. Hello Nefandra, welcome to the show. Hi Nick, thanks for having me. Thank you for joining us today and your calling from Detroit, Michigan. Yeah, just outside of right in the metro area in Michigan. Good stuff, okay. Now Nefandra, you have an experience to share from this year. Would you like to start at the beginning please? Yeah, it was mid-September. I am a little background. I'm just average Joe, whatever. But I've always been fascinated with the sky. I love astronomy and I love the prospect or potential of, you know, alien or interdimensional.

4:08I'm a fan, let's say, of all that is. That's that I try to keep my feet rooted in the ground and in reality and science fast. But there's fascinating stuff out there to learn. I think we're just on the kind of cost of understanding how it all works so to speak. So anyways, I take my dog out every single night. And I usually spend my time staring up at the sky when my dog is doing his business. And I've a telescope and whatnot. So anyways, I walk out and it's September 15th. And it's a relatively nice night, you know, is kind of, we're just getting in the fall here in Michigan at that point. It's relatively warm. And as usual, I start looking up at the sky and it's kind of patchy clouds. The clouds are moving through. I went back and looked. The wind was only like six, seven hours an hour. But you're typical kind of a patchy sky. You can see some stars through it, but predominantly, or I guess three quarters cloud coverage.

5:09And every once in a while, you see a little hole in the clouds and up there's a star or whatever. The plane goes overhead. We're not too far from the Detroit Metro airport. So there's relative, there's frequent plane traffic that goes through. And so the plane is going over. I see a satellite kind of a hope of rising coming through. I track all the major satellites with all the apps and the space station, all like this stuff. And then I see this. It's where it gets weird because I struggle even were months past and on. I still struggle to find words on how to describe it. I see this. This light relatively small, but it's hard to get perspective, right? I'd say the cloud, the ceiling. The clouds. It was probably in the two to five thousand range feet. I'm not sure exactly what it was by any means that that'd be my guess. And I see this light in the five hundred to two thousand or fifteen hundred feet. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out what while I'm watching it gets in perspective, like, man, how close is that?

6:12I can see it clearly. And this little light does a circle almost like this quick loop motion and then disappears. And then quick loop motion and disappears. It's moving somewhere depending on how high it is for me. It's moving somewhere between 15 feet and 50 feet in each whole revolution. And very fast, like you would struggle to move your hands fast enough as you whipped it around. And I see another one. It's about the same distance. Let's say 20 to 50 feet from that. There's another one. And then there's another one. There's four, five, six, then it maybe grows up to 20. It's really, it was hard to tell if it's a small handful of light or a whole bunch of light. It reminds me of, do you ever see a pod of dolphins or orcas moving in the water? You see fins breaking the top of the water and coming up.

7:12And then going down and you see a mass of them. At any given time, you took a snapshot of that. You count whatever, you know, 100 dolphins. There's really three or 400 because most are more underwater. And that's what the light looked like to me, where like, okay, I just saw one in this area. And I saw one in the other area was the same light that's moved or so it's hard to tell how many was. There could have been 50, 60, hard to say. At any given time, a single snapshot. There was probably 20, 25 of these loops. At this point, now I'm kind of dumbfounded. I'm staring up at this and my brain, sit on my self-relatively intelligent and I felt stupid. I was like looking at this, what in the hell am I looking at? Well, what? So I start going through, right? Going through my list of things that I used to identify whatever. All right, as a satellite, absolutely not below the clouds for one thing.

8:13The speed of movement is outside of it being a lighted object. There are no similarities. Is it a plane? Nope. It's a large mass. It's relatively close to me. It doesn't have any of the traditional plane arc or movement. Is it some sort of atmospheric phenomenon, potentially? Nothing I'm familiar with. Nothing I've ever seen before, but maybe, you know, I don't know for a fact. Is it a drone? It's okay. That is a stronger possibility. It's kind of weird and it's pitch black at this point. You know, nighttime is 9 o'clock. Like when the cloud cover over my house, all these things, the speed of which they move, that kind of killed any drone possibly. Could Ben, a series of 100 drones, and the light wasn't actually physically moving, but the light was being spread through a series of displays or drones. I guess that's possible, but they seemed close enough

9:15where I would have been able to see a body of a drone, like the actual craft. And there wasn't. It was just the light. So I just missed that. And the next thing that it kind of struck me was Firefly. Like, huh. All right. If you've ever seen, you know, Fireflies in the summer, when they're way up high, you know, a couple hundred feet or whatever, they kind of flip. They just light up quick and then they're gone. So I'm like, huh, that's what it kind of reminds me of. Firefly. It's a little late in the year for Fireflies here, but definitely possible. But the speed of their movement, and the repetition as well, where this one light, it's any given one of these lights would be moving so rapidly in this one general area, like to see a Firefly move, you know, in a 50 foot circle in under a quarter of a second would be pretty impossible. So I just missed that. Then, okay, you know, is it Chinese lanterns or something like that?

10:19Okay, that's a possibility, I guess. If the wind was much stronger and moving rapidly, but the volume I'm seeing now in the 40, 50, 60 range, covering this large area directly above my head, and they're not. The mast itself of light is not moving. It's stationed above my yard, head, house, neighborhood, whatever it is. And at this point, so this is progressive. It starts off with just a few, and now I'm probably about a minute in give or take, and it's occupying a space that if I put my arms straight up and pointed them out at, let's say, at 10 in two, if my arms are straight up at 10 in two, that's the space they're occupying. Multiple football fields, 200 yards, 300 yards, give or take, this huge area directly above me. And there's zippin, zippin, zippin,

11:20and at this point, it starts to hit me that I'm looking at something otherworldly or top secrets or something, right? Like, this isn't a everyday thing, at least not my everyday, it's funny me. So I am, the dog is moving around them like, I gotta get my phone out here, I gotta start acting here. I'm standing, staring at this thing, and I want to document it. I want to try to start putting a list of things on my, you know, I want to document this. I want to try to capture this in so much shape or form. My wife's right inside. So I'm like, all right, let me go get her. You know, let me get someone else who can see this. But I'm stuck. My brain is still cycling through these things. I'm looking at something that I've never seen before, and it's bizarre, and it's not scary, and it's, I think it's going to do something to me, but scary in a sense of, what the hell is this? You know, it's right above my house, right here. And then, so we look at this,

12:23it occupies the space of a football field, two football fields, so to speak. I can't really see, I can't see a definitive edge, but there is an area outside of where these lights are behaving, where they're not behaving, right? But I can't see any definitive side or anything. I can't see any definitive crap, so to speak. Just these lights that appear to be on an equal plane of sorts, it doesn't look like they're huge variations in altitude between them. They look like they're all relatively flat, so to speak, on the same plane. But they're all doing their thing, and then the entire mass, there's enough lights now where I can start to see a shape of the map, that it's not just, while they are moving randomly, they are moving within a defined area. And it looks like a triangle, a square, a diamond,

13:23some sort of foresighted shape. And that's when it got, it's freaking me out. I don't know how to put it. So the lights are moving and zipping around, they're occurring every one to five seconds. So in they're all doing it, there's no coordinated elements between the lights that I could just wish for all randomly firing, moving in these circles, at this 100 plus yard mat, square, whatever. And I'm looking, I'm still, I haven't looked down yet, transfixed by this, trying to understand it. And then the entire map starts to shift. So the lights are moving within it, and then I can see the side, I'm using my hands, like you can see what I'm doing. The entire square starts to rotate away from me. So the lights are all still doing their thing identically, but now, in addition to them zipping these circles, or big circles, whatever,

14:24the entire mass of them, or blanket of them, is also moving in concert together. This was the first intelligence movement, you know, together, right? All the lights before just moving around. Now all of a sudden, this entire square or diamond is moving, rotating counterclockwise, and starting to drift slowly away from me. And that's when I was like, oh my god, this is, it's not Chinese lanterns, it's not fireflies, go get my wife. Get someone out here to verify them, get my mind, and so I hop inside quick, because on two steps inside my door, I'm yelling for my wife, and after the fact she said, man, your voice sounded very concerned, or crazy, or whatever. I said, get out of here, you know, come out, she had an experience a couple of years ago, which was quite fascinating, but so she came running out, and look, look, look, look, you know, as I start pointing, and you see it, you see it,

15:24and she's like, oh my god, yeah, yeah. The point is probably half mile, three quarters of mile away. So it took the whole trip inside was probably inside, call my wife back out, try not to kill myself and trip over the dog and all this stuff, probably 20, 30 seconds. And at this point, it's about quarter half mile away, starting to drift over towards the tree line, but I can still see a relatively well, not as bright and definitive as when it was right over my head, see these lights moving. Oh my god. So she confirms, yep, I see it. I said, what the hell is that? You know, she starts going through kind of the same identification process, give me a phone out, quick, let's try to get a video of this. And as you know, and as anyone has ever experienced anything, trying to capture something on your cell phone at nighttime with little blinking lights, you're impossible. But I was able to capture it at probably three quarters to a mile, and you can, at least I can, I've done, I've tried to

16:25done my amateur analysis, and brighten this, and float it down, and zoomed in, and all this stuff, but you can definitively see corners of this thing moving, the kind of the motion of these lights. You don't see the volume of light that I could see when I was right over my head, but it appears, initially I'm looking at it directly above me, right? Straight above. At this point, I'm looking at it at a 45 degree skiver take, and it appears that it either rotated up on its side or it had a mask like a pyramid or a cube, or something like that, because it appears now that the lights are north, south, east, and west. So I'm not sure if it rotated or whatever. So I got a quick 10 second video, and of course, it's all over the place and jumping around, and you can kind of hear my voice, telling my dog to stop pulling on the line. And, and yes, so I, that was, and it kind of drifted

17:25over the tree line, and I, hey, did you see that? You know, did you, yep, my wife saw it, and what do you think it was? And I kind of rehashed my story with the first initial experience was, and she could tell how kind of excited and engaged I was, and she let me kind of process and just, and you just say, I didn't sleep at all that night. I was up all night, just, what, what was that? What was that? What was that? Finally got to sleep, you know, five AM or so, and the first thing when I woke up a few hours later, run down on my computer, move the video over for my phone, and start zooming in and digest it, and honestly, after a couple hours sleep, if I didn't have the video, I, I think I would have dismissed it as some sort of, whatever, I don't know. So, because I woke up like, come on, that didn't happen. That was, that was a little absurd. But I, as soon as I thought on the video, it just kind of gave me a chill, and I'm like, no, that absolutely saw that. It was, it was something, it went on,

18:25later that day, I went on, I moved on, I went on, the, you know, the few major, fighting boards, trying to see, did anyone else see anything? And I really didn't see much. So, I'm like, oh, let's submit a report, and send a report out, and, got a response, a week or two later, from the field rep, and the field rep, got back, back to me, and, I was just appointed to be honest, and not in, I want them to try to debunk it, right? I absolutely, please, tell me what it is. Cool. I have no personal stake in this. If you can prove to me, or, you know, show me that it was some blankety blanket, drones, or whatever, okay, that's fine. I don't, I have nothing to gain by this, other than I want to know. But, it said, oh yeah, it was, it was like, the vision. And I was like, yeah, and I got a request from the potato, and I wanted to say, for example,

19:25I've been, and I've been, and I've been getting there. And I was like, and I got a request from the potato, and it was like, I was like, oh man, it's not even close, right? Other than sharing, it was a little object. Other than that, So I would move on, you can file a kind of appeal, so to speak, that supposedly escalates it. And I just said, hey, you know, thank you very much, but this was, and I added a little bit more detail that hindsight I've been able to put in. And like this just wasn't, I don't believe that that's what it is at all. But, again, I never heard back from Matthew. One thing that struck me a few days later when I was out with the dog again, I remember seeing something, and here's where it turns into a slippery slope, right? When you look at the sky every night, you see stuff. And I remember a three or four weeks prior, often the distance, seeing what I thought at the time was a plane. And when, you know, you see a plane in a distance, and depending on its safety, like configuration,

20:29they kind of differ around, right? The little lights go from left to right up down, or right, right, up down, or whatever. But this particular plane that I was looking at, which was a few miles away. It seemed to be moving in a semi-similar way of what I saw above my head, and occupying a space that was significantly larger than what a plane should be. And, you know, maybe I took my experience, the recent experience, and kind of overlapped it on what I saw, you know, a few weeks ago, but anyways, I'm just throwing that in there at that. The potential I did see it a few weeks earlier at a greater distance, but not sure. Yeah, that's, I guess, we are a few months after, and honestly, I think about it every single day. There's not a time, there hasn't been a day yet. I don't feel like I'm obsessed, or anything, but at least one part of my day, it occurs

21:30to me that, what's that, and it replays in my head, and I see it, and I try to figure it out. And, you know, in their form, or, and hey, you know, look at sighting, some people put in sightings years after. And so far, I haven't found anything. There's a couple sightings they weren't like mine, but they were things occurring, you know, in the sky, Southeast Michigan is from my experience, being here a few years. There seems to be a lot of sightings here, but there seems to be a lot of sightings everyone out. So, yeah, I think about it all the time, I'm so happy, it happens to me, I'm so happy I got to experience it. At the same time, I absolutely need to see it again, I'm thinking about doing, finding a hypnotist that does regression just to see if I can recall more, to see if I can pull more details out of the experience, because it's, yeah, it was awesome. I don't know how to put it, it was something that I'm, it's crazy. Good stuff. And of course, this, you know, your sighting was so fresh, it was only September of

22:32this year. And what, what was the basis for move on to say it was blooms with LED? Uh, he really didn't, I don't know, I'm pulling it up here. He really didn't say it was just, um, he stated that what I witnessed were helium blooms with blinking LED. And it's for the reason being at the distance, it was observed, it could literally be anything. It, it, that felt like it even read my report, like, uh, it was, but my head, like, it was, uh, it wasn't, you know, miles away, it was right, quote, unquote, there, so to speak. And that, that was about, that was about it. Like no, no comment, I sent them the video, I, I did a whole, uh, I did screenshot breakdowns, showing the object moving and didn't, didn't even address any of that. You saw helium blooms get over it more or less, like, huh, that's kind of a bummer. I had higher hopes, but, um, hey, I, you know, whatever, I assume they're doing their best

23:34job and that's probably a thankless job and then they have lots of cases. But yeah, the globe is pointing. Yeah, it sounds definitely disappointing. If you were seeing something like that in a distance, then maybe you could contribute to balloons or something like that. But like you said, you know, I mean, this is at 10, 10 o'clock and two o'clock. So you're basically, it's the, the area of sky above you, which is the, the zen if, mm-hmm. Yeah, it occupied when, when it was at its full, uh, motion, whatever you want to call it, like right before the, the math itself started to rotate, it was huge. I mean, it was, it wasn't like, uh, you could fit five big planes in it easily. I mean, it was huge and it, it occurred, it almost looked when it was at its full circling, blinking like, like I couldn't see, I could still see through it, right? I could see some clouds. I could see some, uh, a spot or whatever. So it wasn't like a dark mass or something. The only way I could tell that it was a, that it at least behaves like a solid object

24:39was when the entire thing rotated. So if you had your 30 light moving in sequence and individually, then all of those 30 light at one time started to rotate at the exact same speed and destination, then it usually lends itself to being a singular math. Um, it almost looked like it, if it was, uh, if it had predator camouflage, so to speak, like shimmering, right? Like these little, maybe, maybe it, they weren't lights themselves, maybe it was picking up light from something and based on, uh, whatever material this, this mass could have been made out of, it was just light refracting and shimmering off it. That's the possibility. I don't know. But yeah, it went, it moved together like, uh, almost in my head was this bar. It's like crazy noise or something because all this, I was like, oh shit, the thing is, uh, it's this huge thing and it's moving away.

25:41It's hard to find words. I don't usually find myself running out of ways to describe things and it's just kind of just breaks my brain a little bit. So before you were, um, observing the lights, then the lights would appear that they're actually on an object. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so the only, the only reason I'd say it looked like it was on an object is because of their behaviors, not because I could see any object, right? They all appeared to all these little lights, so to speak, appeared to operate on it on a similar or same plane, like if they're all on a table. There wasn't ones that were way up high and weighed on shorts and they were all, they all seemed to be about the same general elevation from the ground. Uh, and then once they were all on, I guess, active and moving and the entire thing shifted, that to me really felt like, all right, this is the, this is a singular object,

26:43or they're tethered in some way, shape or form. They're, you know, if you had a, like, think of like a, um, you've seen a drone show before, right? If you had a blanket of drones, a hundred of them, and they're all stationary above your head, and then all hundred of them start to rotate counterclockwise in sync and move away from you. That that's probably the best way I can describe it. I guess with these different lights, they didn't make any noise, but just in my head, there's, there's moving so fast going around in a circle, and it would start at the beginning of light is very bright, and by the time it reaches this full revolution before it hits the full hundred three sixty degrees, it dims down to nothing. And then right again, around, right again, and in different spots all over this, what I think is a mask. Sorry, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, like, describe it the way I see it, you know, it's, uh, it's challenging. It's very challenging because I've never seen anything like it.

27:43Of course, I mean, you can totally discount satellites, because, you know, they, they, they move in on a linear path. They don't, you know, they certainly don't zip around. And as for Chinese lanterns, well, you know, you know, when you see Chinese lanterns, yeah, yeah, and I, you know, like I said, I've been past 20, 30 years. I look at the sky every night, fascinating to buy it. I love it. I, uh, I bust out the telescope. I look at all things from man-made things to, uh, you know, out in the, out in the universe. And I've seen, I've seen unexplained things that I'm like, huh, what is that? That's kind of weird, you know, a light very far away. And it's doing some bizarre behavior. And I, you know, it's, it's probably something man-made or whatever. But never to the point where I get a fill out of it. I feel like I should fill out a report. A loss of word to define it. And this experience was so close to me, proximity-wise, occurring right above my head that to me, it left zero doubt that this was,

28:47the stupidest of this was something, right? I don't know what, but it wasn't a common occurrence. It behaves too bizarrely and, um, and massive inside. Math, how long would you say that you actually observed them for? The total experience was somewhere in the realm of two, two to three minutes. Give or take, like the initial me just, there, right above my head, at least a minute, maybe a minute and a half. It, it felt like hours, honestly. It felt like my, my, I was just going through just like this checklist, my, my, my head was kind of like, I'm looking up now as I'm talking to you, like, my head was kind of stuck. I couldn't look away from this. And I'm, I start going to this checklist, satellite, plane, fireflies, you know, to start going through all these things. What world am I looking at? Why is it behaving like this? This is so odd. And yeah, that was at least a minute and a half.

29:47It wasn't like a glancing zoom, you know, or something. But it was there. And it was stationary. There's the math, or at least the perceived math. And then all the sudden, bar, just start to rotate and move away from me. It was, uh, that's why I'd love to do like a regression or something. I loved it. Was it there before? And it took some time for my brain to kind of see it. So to speak, because it was so odd, was it, did it appear when I looked up? Did it move over me? And I just didn't realize the math or shape. I don't know. I don't know. I trust me. No one has more questions than I do about it. That's for sure. And what ended the, the site in? Was it the clouds? Uh, no, the horizon trees. So it eventually, uh, about, you know, it gets about 15 degrees and 10 degrees. And there's a tree line, a mile give or take, right? It starts to break up through some branches and tall trees. And then eventually it's just like in the video and in the, in the pictures,

30:47you can kind of see the tree line that starts to go towards. And then, yeah, uh, and I, I wanted to talk about it, right? I just wanted to look, I had to start processing it. I can remember the experience so well. It feels, right now it feels like I'm seeing it as, as I'm going through it. I couldn't tell you what the next 30 minutes after it was like. Um, my brain was going so fast after it. I'm just trying, what, what, what was that? What, what, what? I probably said what in my head is trillion times. And then finally, I was able to settle down and start digesting and, yeah, combination with excitement as well. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. My, my heart was pounding when I realized when it shifted, when it went from the all the little circular moving lights to a large, in-think mass of them rotating, you'd probably, if you're standing next to me, you could probably hear my heart. It was just boom, but yeah, uh, adrenaline, huge adrenaline, quite, and I don't know if my jaw drops, but I probably did. Exhilarate. Accelerate in exactly adrenaline is pumping around your veins.

31:49Now, even though you couldn't see an object up there, you do believe that there was something up there. I think so, you know, so I, I try to be, as I continuously search for some sort of explanation, I try to still, even though this thing broke my brain and broke, broke my understanding of what, what I could see, right? Like, there's UFOs, whatever, whatever, right. You know, there's all the tradition. It didn't sit with a traditional fighting in a lot of way, so that made it even, it makes a more complicated for me to digest and think about, but these things, all these, all these lights moving, and then that moment when the entire, I'm calling it a mask, because I have no other way of saying it. Link, all these linked lights or whatever, once that first shift, because it went from, so you're looking up the sky, let's use drones. Let's use drones as an example. You're looking up the sky and there's 100 drones and they're in a grid pattern that makes a diamond above you, right?

32:50They're in a grid pattern that is 100 yards wide and they're all blinking or doing something different. And you can see them blinking stuff, but you can see that the blinking lights are not occurring outside of a certain area. They're contained within this shape, this diamond. The lights continue to do their blinking and their circling and whatever, but then you see that the diamond itself, there's so many lights at this point that when the entire shape, mask, does move, you can make out the mask, like, oh yeah, that's the diamond or a square, whatever. And it's now, it's rotating away from me. So it could have been independent lights working together, 100%. Like, I can't, there's no way I can definitively say, like, oh, yep, it was totally a singular mask with all these lights on it, especially because I could see through it. But it certainly behaved like one, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, it behaved like a singular mask. So as, you know, is it cloaking elements?

33:52Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. A lot of questions. Government and others, yeah, stealth, I don't know. Silent, no, no noise, no nothing. It certainly doesn't sound like balloons with LEDs. And there's also, you can get kites now, which have LEDs, which, which look pretty, but again, it doesn't sound like that. Yeah, I mean, hey, you know, all things being possible, there is a minuscule chance that it was that, right? Like, I can't definitively say and the color of the light. And maybe that's where the investigator kind of drew that conclusion. Because the color of the lights was a harsh, right, blue light. You know, the type of LED, the white LED you don't want to look at. It's too bright. It's too obnoxious, I guess, for a better way to put it. And to me, at least type of balloon LED, all the ones that I saw in the video, that's how it looked like. Like, it's not a soft white. It's very glaring, bright, not lighting up a large area,

34:53but just very blue, white, whatever you want to call it. So maybe that's where he got that from. But other than that, that's where the similarities stop. How fast they moved in certain, in the circles, so to speak, was like I said, you could, if you took your arm and extended it and try to whip your finger around, you couldn't do it fast enough. And they're covering a side that was 20, 50 feet. Radius give or take, and repeating in the exact same space. There's just no, there's, in my head, there's no way balloon. Let alone balloons are doing that. Yeah, that's not the, the behavior at all. And did he mention any UFO reports for that day in that area? There were some, you know, I look all the time, not all the time, I look every other week or so to see if there's new stuff. There were a few within the general area, but nothing, one was a triangle, which was kind of interesting. That'd be close to similarity. Someone saw a triangle moving kind of in the semi-direction,

35:53a few miles from me, that evening. But there hasn't been anything that I've seen. Like, oh man, they saw what I saw. But I think for the most part, I know all my social circles. And, you know, the masses still don't, they think I'm, think I'm bonkers, you know, my friends and colleagues and whatever, like, sure, whatever. So I think that most people, even if they saw it, they probably wouldn't, you know, what do you even say? I don't know. But you know, you weren't alone. You saw this with your wife, so. Totally, yeah. And I'm so incredibly thankful that she was here to see it too for my own sanity, right? You saw that, right? Oh, yeah, I saw it. Okay, cool. So I wish she saw it a little earlier. You know, she saw it at the, towards the end of the experience, but just the fact that she saw the light moving, that was validating enough. It exists, not my imagination. Yeah, in the video. That was very validating as well. And again, too, I don't know if I sent them to you. I'd be happy to send you my pictures and videos and all that jazz. And if you want to put it up there, because I would love, absolutely love that someone saw something around me

36:57or I don't care if it was in the other part of the world. Something similar, right? Someone experienced something with these lights within these circles, new, large mass, that would, uh, that'd make my day just to know that. Because I've never, of all the cases I've looked at, and all the stories I've listened to, and all the people in your pocket, you name it, right? I've never heard distinctly what I saw. It was very unique in a lot of ways. Some elements, shared elements, but it was unique. Absolutely, yeah. What I do is I'll put the photographs and the video on the websites that people can go and check it out. What area of Detroit was it just for our listeners? It's, yeah, it's in northwest metro area. So we're about 25, 30 minutes outside, northwest. Yeah, I should look again. I haven't looked in about two weeks or so. I'll go back and check the board. See if, um, do you, if anyone is supposed to do anything? Or maybe someone will hear this and, and how I saw that too. And, because yeah, it, it's hard to explain.

37:57It, it wasn't just like, you know, a disc or a triangle. It was this weird go-ship. I don't know, it was, it was wacky. It's awesome though. I mean, yeah, a, a blessing in the curse kind of in a way. I, I'm so grateful that I saw it. It was so exhilarating, so fascinating. But at the same time, I feel like I need to see it again. And I need to know more. And it's a rabbit hole, you know? There's, there's a lot out there on the subject. And yeah, it's tricky. Absolutely, it is a rabbit hole. Yes, hopefully, if one of our listeners out there live in the area and is either sin or have heard of someone having an experience similar to the vangel, then get in contact. I'm sure it's like his mind. We put it rest somewhat. Capturing stuff on a cell phone camera is a bittersweet. And I got a great phone. I got great camera all the jazz, but at night time, at a distance, it doesn't do a job this far. But there's nothing. They're just not designed for that. Exactly. It's like I tweeted yesterday. And it's, it's to do with a moon.

38:57Now, if you, if you connect the two points of a crescent moon app, so the two points line them up and they were always point to south. So we had a crescent moon last night. I think I'll go out and take a picture of the moon. But it's terrible. Yeah. And you can barely see the moon. So I don't have to take it off the internet instead. Yeah, I know the feeling. Yeah, so not good. So I get a lot of images, but you know, it's literally just a light in the sky and there's not really, you know, there's not really much. Obviously, the person seeing it, you know, they're seeing a lot more detail. Whereas the phone is just not simply just not picking it up. Yeah, I have, I have zoomed in. I stabilize. I have a breakdown of individual slides. And I think one thing I did capture well on a zoomed in clip. And I made a gif out of it. You can just kind of loop. But you see the motion of an individual life. And you see this arc, this circle revolution, or whatever you want to call it of this like on zipping around. And that, that's me.

39:58I think it's the most validating element of the video. Because otherwise, it's a couple blinking left and highway. You know, it's hard to, it's hard to make out the sculpting scale of it in the video. But you can't, you can't see that. I continue to make the sound for it. Because that's what I had. But rotation or whatever revolution of this light. Yeah, so we can certainly discount the balloons. But for now, it's unexplained. Yeah, well, I'm out there every night trying to catch it again. So hopefully. Well, good luck. And if you do see it again, let us know. We'll do. Thanks so much, Nick. I appreciate it. Hey, Nick, I really appreciate your time and effort in the show. You do, like I said, you do an excellent job, man. I am an avid fan and listener. I really enjoy it. Yeah, that makes me very happy to hear it. And the fan jaw, I really appreciate you coming on, sharing that for our listeners. My pleasure. Hey, thanks, Ben. You too. Thank you. Keep in contact. And we're talk soon. Sounds good. Take care. Bye. Bye.

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42:07Good afternoon, Mitch, and welcome to the podcast. Thanks, Nick. Thank you for coming on today and you're calling from Sheffield in the United Kingdom. Yeah. Now, Mitch, you have some experiences to share with us. Would you like to start the beginning, please? Yeah, sure. Well, I've got two alien UFO experiences. And I guess I'll start with the... I don't know if I ever have a more or less exciting than the other. But it was about 2018. And I started a new job welding. And I got on my little bike and I was working in Bondley. So I'd have to go along a lot of the dark road. And it was early morning. So there's not much to ask about. And if you ever are in the motorbike, you'll know that the 125 doesn't make too much noise. And it's really why I bring that first because I saw a diamond shaped craft to my ride. And it was about half past five in the morning. And it was summer. So, you know, it was a line up, but not too light.

43:08And I've never seen any pictures of anything like this before until recently somebody put the picture on the UFO group. The cow's in photo from Scotland was recently like declassified or found or something. And over then the colour, it was basically the same thing that what I saw was at an angle. But what I saw was pretty much jet black. It made no noise. It didn't move. I've found no reports of it. Very similar art, but... And it only lasted for maybe a minute because of cells on my way. And I was going down the bypass, sort of. It was going about 50 miles an hour. So, that was my first encounter. You said it was just completely stationary. Completely stationary. It didn't move. It wasn't as a classic UFO like I said. It was more of a diamond shaped like the cows in or cow line. I'm not sure how you pronounce that. So, it was completely stationary. It was at an angle and it looked like a diamond completely jet black. And you're on the bypass. Was on the left or the right of you? It was on my right side. It was on your right side, okay.

44:09How long would you say that you witnessed it for? And it's no longer than a minute, slightly longer, maybe, because as it came into view, I've just come under a bridge. And as it came into view, I'm trying to watch the road and trying to look at the craft shaped object. And obviously, so I'm looking at a road and then when I get chance, I look back to my right. But it didn't move. It didn't make any sound. It didn't deviate. And I've looked at the areas since. And there's nothing. There's just a field. And there is a power, I don't know what you call, and there's a power station. There's one of those to the left. But I couldn't imagine what they'd need a power station for. But that's the only thing that's around there. It's a big round about power station field. That was it. And that was the first encounter. And this was around summertime of 2018. Around, yeah. So is it early morning and good visibility? Yeah. And I had my visor up on my mobile, because if you ride a mobile, you'll know that sometimes a visor can steam up,

45:10usually in winter, not off any summer. But again, it was a summer morning. Wasn't too cold. I like to have the visor up. And yeah. So I had, you know, I had excellent visibility. And it was just there. Stationery in mid-air. And I've tried asking myself, maybe it was a helicopter, obviously with riding the motorbike on normal roads and having a helicopter to go overhead or as close as I'd say the craft was. You get the distinct impression that that was not a helicopter. You couldn't have been a plane because it didn't move at all. The craft didn't have any propellers of any time, no lights on it. I couldn't see any windows. I couldn't see any propulsion. I couldn't see anything on it. We've landed jet-black craft that appeared. So maybe have, I don't know, it's difficult to explain what it could have had. It was just black. But you got the impression it was, you know, it was some sort of material to it. That's just speculation because it was only, you know, a minute or a minute and a half.

46:12And you couldn't make any details. When you saw the Calvine photo, did it look identical to what you saw? Did it have like the seam along the center of it? As I said, I couldn't make out any details of the craft. But the shape was basically, it was that shape, but just at an angle. So if you rotate slightly the Calvine photo, if you just rotate it slightly, that's what it looked like. And if you basically just took a, like a routinely really black, black, and just painted a black, then that's basically what I saw. Okay, if you remember, how high would you estimate it would have been? Difficult one because it was such a short encounter. And it was closed, but it was not closed if that makes any sense at all. But I meant, it could have been 200 feet, it could have been 300 feet, it could have been 400 feet because where I was and where it was, you know, I couldn't, I couldn't necessarily say, always definitely one of those. But it was, you know, high enough in the air

47:12where it wasn't anywhere near the ground, but it wasn't too far that I couldn't see it. I liken it to when a helicopter comes down to circle over a house in a state when they're looking for somebody that's probably lower than that. You know, it wasn't, wasn't a dot in the sky. It was a, it stood out basically, it stood out and it was, I mean, I'll say it was 300 feet. Okay, I think a lot of people can relate to that as well. I have searched helicopters grow over this place constantly. That's the black ones though. That's great, Mitch. Okay, would you like to move on to your next one? I think the next one's a bit more out there that I can't say for sure this is what it is. But I, I went to bed one night and I had a really weird dream that I was floating through the air and I've never had that dream before. Now, I wasn't falling. I was getting, you know, I was going up, but I was laid down. I wasn't in, in my house or in my hours in the clouds. I don't know, I don't know the relevance

48:12to that or anything like that. Yeah, I was, I was going up. And then the next thing I know I wake up I go about my morning, I have a wash and whatnot. And then my partner notices is a, like a, it's a very straight line with my neck. Looks like a scratch, but it's very, very straight and it's about an inch long. So I'm like, oh, that's, that's weird. And, um, mostly, um, I have a, I have a feel of it. And then there's like a little, little lump directly under it. And, you know, to the best of my knowledge, they wasn't there before. And there's not one on the other side. And it's still there to the day because, well, I mean, I don't know if, I don't know if you can get that thing checked out, but, you know, not any problems with it. But that wasn't long after I'd seen the, the spacecraft. I couldn't tell you how long, but it wasn't, you know, it was, it was in the space of a couple of months. I don't know if there's any connection there, but yeah,

49:12it's just a bit of a weird one. And then, doing some more research into it, I can't remember which, um, encounter it was, but somebody had had some sort of a device, they can have them. And I was like, oh, it's a bit of a weird one. So that was, um, as long as that one lasts as well, unfortunately. You said the, uh, the mark was an inch long. Yeah, uh, it was roughly an inch long. There's no coverage to it or anything like that. It, it looked very much like a, um, galpel mark, but it, but, you know, it already healed. They just had a little, um, little line remaining. It's very clean. There was no, um, you know, scabbing, anything like that. I think it was just there one minute and then over the course of a few days, it faded and there's no, no mark there anymore. How long did the lump last for? Oh, it's still there. You still have the lump there now? Yeah, you wouldn't, you wouldn't notice it. If you didn't feel it, it doesn't stand out at all. It's, it's so small, it's maybe, I don't know, you know how to describe the size, it's, it's not very big at all, you know, probably, I know it took at the end of the pen,

50:14and then cut the end of the pen off and then halved it, and then halved it again, maybe that, you know, it's, it's really small, so it's not that it's pluttle. And it's at the side of the neck, blow the ears. Yeah, it's, uh, probably about two inches below the ear. And you've never gone to doctors to have it checked out. Of course, any lump should kind of be checked out in any case. Well, yeah, but I've had lumps before, and they just disappeared, and it was just one of those where you kind of, you know, you forget about it for a little bit, and then you sort of, I don't know, you scratch your neck, and you feel it going, oh, that's, that's still there. So maybe I should get checked out, but it's just never caused me any issues, and I don't know, maybe, maybe I'm hoping that I get further experiences from it, but, you know, maybe I'm hoping it's, it wasn't just some weird dream, and I've just got some lump in my neck, but that's where I am with it. I don't, I don't know. I don't know what, what I want to do with that, and I know it's not weird, that, you know, the UFOs and the whole topic kind of fascinates me,

51:14so I don't know, I don't know if I want to get it wrong in case it, in case I kind of get taken out the whole, the whole topic altogether, if that makes me certain. There was a belief for a long time that, they were some kind of tracking device. I've never really believed they're a tracking device, because if they can, if they can come and take you any time anywhere, then I think they probably have this technology in onboard, in any case. I think these, when people have these objects put in, I think it's more to do with health. I think it's more to benefit the person than anything. That's an interesting way of thinking. Yeah, that's why you're asking any. I would probably, obviously if it's not giving you any problems, you know, it's not itchy, it's not hurting, it's not causing you any problem whatsoever, I'd probably just the next time you go to a doctor, don't specifically make an appointment about it, but, you know, when you're there and you're having a chat, they say, oh, you wouldn't just have a look at this, and just, you know, just see what they say. That's good idea, actually. Obviously, they're not mentioned. Oh, I think I was a book of aliens,

52:15and I thought, Mark, would you have a look at it? But I don't think, most necessarily the type of people, they're like, oh, yeah, let me make an appointment for that. Yeah, no, I would advise against that, because you might start writing you out a prescription for some kind of medication that they like to do. Yeah, but that's the extent of my alien, UFO experiences unfortunately. That's fine, Mitch. You have a paranormal experience as well. Yeah, this one's a short one as well, unfortunately, all my experiences should be super short. Now, this one goes back to when I was about 16, 30 now, so, you know, half a life that I'm going to go. And I used to have a friend come over quite often, and I lived with my grandma, and we'd often met about, you know, for those things around the house and whatnot, not from the break, anything, but we were just teenagers having fun. And one night, my grandma had gone out to her friend's house, which was literally around the corner. So I'm still in the kitchen, and my grandma's house is not very big. That was just in the kitchen,

53:16looking out, well, not looking out the window, but the kitchen window looked fun for the front door, and my friend in the hallway, and the hallway also looked fun for the front door. And this is important because we'd, with a lot of the front door, because we used to go upstairs, I mean, we played a lot of music, like a lot of guitars, so if anyone was up the door or anyone come in, we wouldn't have heard them. So we always watched the door. So when we're upstairs, you know, we don't have to worry about random people coming. And so I'll get back to the story. We were in the kitchen. Oh, I was in the kitchen. Sorry, he was in the hallway, and we was throwing this styrofoam circling through each other like a frigate thing. And then I was nowhere, the front door opened, and then, so I'm sure. So I look out the window, and he looks down the hall, and I expect to see my grandma coming back. But there's nobody there. I was seeing anybody. And I would see, you know, anybody that comes to the door open and then run off, because the field of view is one of the structures. And he obviously would have seen anybody

54:16who came into the house. But there's nobody there. And we couldn't, you know, we couldn't understand. And we, you know, we tried to go, oh, maybe they would, there's a bit of wind, but with lots of front door, and you know, it wasn't a windy night. So we couldn't wrap his head around it. But later on, my grandma did say that my, my auntie, my dead aunt, I should mention, does live in the house with a, and sort of watches over the house. When she's not there, and I know that sounds a bit crazy, but that's the only logical explanation I can sort of come to, is, you know, we were messing about. My grandma told us to sort of stop messing about. And then my dead aunt, he had the opened and slumbered door to sort of go, you know, he'd been told. So that was, that was one experience. I do have a new one, which I didn't witness itself, but I could also go into that one if he'd like. Yeah, she'll go ahead, man. So again, it's to do with my grandma and my auntie.

55:18So we'd moved house, and we'd not moved that far, really. It was something about a 10 minute walk. But the person that moved into our old house was experiencing, don't know, just like a very uncomfortable atmosphere. The cats were coming back sort of, I don't want to say this thing, but, you know, they've got like wounds on them, and nobody could really go upstairs without a really dreaded earling. So the woman contacted the grandma and said that, you know, I think I think you might have left something here. I think she knew that, you know, there was some sort of spirit there. And my grandma is that we knew because she'd taken, she'd taken it from one house already. So she went to the house, sort of sold my aunt, you know, gone with, with moved house. And brought her with us, so to speak. And that's the experience. So again, it's not a very long one,

56:18and I didn't experience that myself, but I did hear when she went to collect my auntie. After that, they didn't have any problems in the house, and everything was fine again. Interesting. You know, I've said this before, when family members die, it makes a lot of sense that they're going to keep watching over the family. And obviously, your auntie was only there periodically. Obviously, your grandma had moved house, and she didn't realize, and she obviously turned up. So her load of strange was probably in the house, and then probably started playing out a bit. Yeah, it's a, I've been in my grandma's house, and she's been on holiday, and I looked after it, and I felt sort of an eerie feeling. But I do remember, my auntie being a really nice lady, you know, we had a good relationship, but I'm guessing it's when someone else is in the house. It's not my grandma, she's not happy. Not happy about it. Yeah, it's probably sort of those experiences that I don't really like to delve into the paranormal, because it's got freaks now. So that's another reason why I don't click on the paranormal. That's so, you just, you know, I don't really enjoy those at all.

57:20Keep you up at night. Wait, it's one thing listening, or watching stuff like that on TV, but when you actually live in a place that's haunted, it can be a little bit of a different story. Yeah, absolutely. That's great, Mitch. Well, I've not told anybody of them, my grandma and like, my, my, I discussed it with my friends that was there with me. He had an experience as well, but that's the reason why I told him about my experiences, because he told me he had an experience, and I was like, okay, well, you know, I think I'm too crazy. But I don't want to go around singing it, so everybody, you know, well, really wouldn't see. Yeah, and of course not. A lot of people don't. A lot of it is, someone brings up, brings it up first, and then, and then they go, oh, yeah, I've, you know, I've seen this, or a family member had this happen, you know, so, uh, but a lot of people have these accounts, you know, you can, you'll be pushed to find anyone, that, you know, even probably even if you walk into the pub, and you say to someone, and I'm guaranteed it'd be one person that will say, yeah, I have, or I know someone that has. Yeah, I imagine, I imagine a lot of people have seen some things that you just don't say to.

58:22They just don't say they do. A lot of people keep it, keep it to themselves, because a lot of, a lot of time, if people only tell their family and close friends and never anyone else, then we never hear these accounts. So, you know, by doing this, and people coming forward, they are sharing these accounts, and then it's being absorbed and listened to all around the world, and then people say, my god, that's exactly what happened to me, or that's exactly what I saw. So it does work. Yeah, I think, uh, I think it's a good thing, I'm like, without you and other people, hosting podcasts, a lot of people wanted to put any credit to their, their story. You know, you know, I saw this, you know, I'm, I think, all the person I saw that, and then you start to go, well, maybe, maybe I didn't see that, maybe I didn't get objected, and had something put in my neck, you know. That's what I've asked myself, and that's why I've never said anything, because you think, well, it sounds a bit far-fetched. But, you know, truth is, strange and infection. And of course, you should never jump to conclusions. That's why I don't really have a particular agenda on this show, even if I just keep it, you know, people are sharing their experiences. Right, I'm completely agree. I just, um,

59:22far as I know, I had a dream that I was supposed to bring here, and then I woke up, went out and scratched myself, and he was a very, uh, perfect scratch. Sometimes you've got to draw the conclusion, sometimes you've got to sort of just go, nah, that wasn't anything. But, you know, to me, I thought, kind of, it's all a bit too convening far-fetched, it sounds, but, you know, you've got to, sometimes you've just got to get it out there, and maybe someone else experienced it, like you said, you know, and it works on the podcast, because you reach other people that think, no, no, no, I'm a bit, I'm a bit crazy, I never happened, and then somebody else hears that experience, go, oh, actually, they don't know. Everyone that listens to this show, you know, they are very like-minded, whether they've had an experience of themselves, or they just want to absorb and listen and understand more, you know, broaden their horizons. But the fact that you had a dream, and then notice the mark, I mean, that does coincide with a lot of people which have had foreign objects in their, you know, in their bodies. Like I said, you know, next time you're a doctor, just say any idea what this could be. Yeah, well, I'll definitely bring that up next time. Mitch, I really appreciate you coming on,

1:00:23sharing that for our listeners. No problem, thank you very much. You got it, all right. Take care, Mitch, and I'll talk to you soon. Yeah, see you later. Okay, thanks buddy. That's all for today. Keep updated and connected with the show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail.com, or you can reach out to me via the contact page on my website, UFO ChroniclesPodcast.com. A big thank you to Nathaniel and Mitch for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I will be back next week. Till the end, stay safe, and keep watching the skies. Goodbye.