Ep.217 In The Woods (Throwback)

You don't do a 517. Do you want to report a UFO?

I'm taking it. We don't want to report.

Erie's 31. Do you wish to report a UFO over?

Hey, we want to report one of those data.

Erie's 31. Do you wish to file a report of any kind of a...

I wish I would kind of report a wildfire.

Erie's 31, me neither.

You're a 7-1 pop-of-golf guy.

Yeah, it was a 9-1-1.

I'd love us to pass with like 30 seconds to go.

First 7-1 pop-of-golf negative.

Okay.

Topped it.

Are you a UFO?

Yes.

It's murder 295. Yes, topped it's passed over.

It's a...

...like us.

I don't know what it was, but it's from...

...at least to 3000 above us.

The outpass right over the top of us.

911.

Are you guys moving?

You were just called up to the old world with us.

You're up here. Say an airplane.

And it is such a third time.

I swear to God, four calls in on an identified object.

Everybody's four calls.

Four calls on an identified flying object.

We're not big enough.

All right, we'll check it out.

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OBEs, UFOs, and a strange encounter with AI.

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Hello Jay, welcome to the podcast.

Hi, how are you Nick?

I'm pretty good, thank you.

And thank you for joining us today

and your corner from Michigan in the United States.

Yes, the cold state, yes.

The cold state, good stuff.

Okay Jay, you have several encounters to share with us.

Would you like to start at the beginning please?

Sure.

So, my first story is about being at my friend's house.

I'm very happy to be here today.

I'm very happy to be here today.

I'm very happy to be here today.

I'm very happy to be here today.

I'm very happy to be here today.

I'm very happy to be here today.

I'm very happy to be here today.

I'm very happy to be here today.

I think this is about being at my friend's house.

It's about being at my friend's house.

So, we were probably about 12 years old.

The house is pretty a basic sub urban house

and a mester tried to steal the house of my three dogs.

I used to stay there

a lot on the weekends as a kid.

I used to stand there a lot on the weekends as a kid.

I've never heard

anything weird.

This is kind of a first encounter so,

I should say a paranormal encounter.

And so we were just hanging out in his room.

It was probably about midnight 1 a.m.

As kids we would stay up late.

So I'm hanging out, we're just talking.

I think we were playing some video games or something.

And all of a sudden, we heard someone walking down stairs,

so we thought, oh, it was his parents,

because he was on the second story of the house

above the garage.

And then we heard a door open,

which sounded like the garage door

to walk in and out of the garage from the house.

So I go, you know, we thought your parents,

I told them I was like, oh, I thought your parents were sleeping.

He said, he's like, yeah, they are sleeping,

they're down the hallway.

So, you know, I didn't hear him wake up, did you?

I was like, no, you know, thinking, no, that's weird.

So we kind of got nervous right off the bat.

And so right after that, I think I grabbed like a baseball bat

and he grabbed a skateboard or something like that.

He was a bigger guy.

And so, you know, we kind of ran across the hallway

and ran into his parents' room

with our little weapons we had.

And they were, yep, sure enough, his parents were in his room.

And we woke him up.

We said, if we think, you know, someone's in the house.

So right after that, his dad woke up.

We all went downstairs, we explained what happened.

And, you know, his dad, his mom and dad were not up.

They didn't doubt we heard it, right?

Because we were pretty normal people, level-headed

and their eyes at least.

So, yeah, nothing.

And then, so we went back upstairs after we searched the house.

We hung out in his room for a little bit.

And, you know, next thing I know,

that sounds crazy, you know.

But I heard someone, I heard his name.

I'm just making up a name, but let's say his name was Jim.

I heard almost like a whisper or like, Jim.

And I'm like, what's, I'm like, did you, you know,

I let it go.

I'm like, hey, did you hear that?

Because at this time, it was probably like 2,30 in the morning.

We were getting ready to go to bed.

I think we called our friend and then right after we hung up,

that's when I started hearing it.

And he said, yeah, I thought I heard someone say my name.

And I thought I was going crazy, but he said,

he said, yeah, I thought I heard someone say my name.

And I heard it again.

He heard it this time, at the same time I did.

And next thing you know, it just kept repeating.

And it's not, it sounded like it was coming from outside of his room.

We couldn't tell where because he was at the end of the hallway.

Like I said, above his garage.

So we just kept hearing us.

And as we heard this, like someone, someone almost whispered

his name, we got more and more scared.

This is one of the scariest times I've had.

As a child.

So we heard it, we heard it, we heard it.

And finally, you know, we were so scared.

And this is a big guy.

He was the tallest guy in my school.

So he was never really scared of anything.

You know, for his height, he always had that ego kind of.

And this definitely shattered his ego.

He eventually, I think we put like,

I was on the floor sleeping, he was on his bed.

We had to cover our ears because we were so scared from this voice.

And so finally, you know, we fell asleep and we woke up.

I went home and we kind of never spoke about it again.

But I did find out that they had some other experiences

in their paranormal type experiences in their house beforehand.

So that was kind of reassuring to me that, you know,

we just, this wasn't the first time thing, but that was the first

very scary paranormal experience that I had.

And throughout my life, you know, I kind of had a lot of these experiences.

I don't know why, but they always seem to be with people, which is good.

So my next experience I'm going to go into was when I was with a friend,

when I was with a friend, when I was with a friend, we were in the woods.

And this is around my parents' house that I grew up in.

And we used to go in these woods and play with Airsoft, you know,

the plastic pellet guns.

You shoot at each other and have little wars, I guess you could say.

So me and my friend, after school one day, we went to the woods with our,

they're called Airsoft guns.

We went in there with Airsoft guns and we were walking around.

And there's a creek that runs through the middle of the woods.

This patch of woods is about a mile wide by a mile long.

So we were waiting for my other friend to get home.

And as we were walking around the woods, we had our little plastic pellet handguns.

We crossed the creek and after you crossed the creek,

it's about an incline of like a five foot incline.

So we walked up the incline and then there's this patch, like an open patch,

not a field because the woods aren't that big, barely a mile by a mile.

But you know, an open area to where it's just weeds and you could kind of sit in this patch,

get away from all the trees.

And on the left of the patch, there's this like dip in the ground.

And the dip in the ground is about like a little hole almost,

but you know, not too steep declines down into a dip.

It's probably about three foot deep.

And I always went over there running through the woods out kind of hide in there.

As I'm walking up the incline across the creek,

I look at the left of me and I notice a guy standing there.

He was about seven foot, I'd say seven foot five inches.

So seven foot five inches tall and it wasn't just a guy though.

This guy was in a suit probably made in the 1920s with a top hat on.

You know, like the paranormal top hat people see.

And his skin was like a, it wasn't translucent,

but I feel like it almost was.

And my friends saw him too, because as we were walking up from the creek towards that little area,

he was just standing there with a suitcase.

Like I said, he looked like he was from the 1920s.

He had a suitcase in his hand.

And he was standing straight looking straight, not at us,

but perpendicular to us.

And right away, like I saw this guy, like I said, he was like seven foot five.

And it just wasn't, it didn't settle right with me.

Like if I saw someone in those woods, I grew up there.

I was a used to it, right?

Like it's not a big deal.

We see people in the woods.

It's only a mile by mile.

But man, this was not like a person, like a normal person.

This was like a apparition.

So, but anyways, I came to that conclusion afterwards.

But as I was walking, we were probably about 15, 20 feet from him.

But when we saw him standing there, my friends like, oh my God.

I was like, you see that, right?

And I whispered to him because he was on the right side of me.

I was on his left side and the guy was on my left side.

He's like, yeah.

And he started kind of like trembling.

So the fear, now this was the scariest I've ever been in my life.

Like I said, I've seen people in the woods, not a big deal.

But the fear that was put into us.

I mean, like I said, my friend was trembling.

He was shaking.

It was crazy.

I don't know what this guy was.

The only thing I could think of is it was a full body apparition of a guy from like,

I want to say the 19 early 20th century.

So right away, right after I said, you see that, right?

And my friend was kind of shaking a little, clearly shaking.

You know, that fear hit me.

That's why I said that.

I was like, I'm like on a count of three run, one, two, three.

And then we ran.

We were so scared that we ran all the way through that mile patch woods,

like all the way to the other side, the width of it.

I jumped the creek back, which you can't jump that creek.

Like on a normal day, that's how scared we were.

We cleared it.

We just ran, ran, ran, kept running, kept running until we hit a main road.

But I mean, there is no doubt in my mind that that was not normal.

That was definitely paranormal.

The way he was, he was just huge.

He was his skin.

It was like a translucent gray.

Very weird.

So that was my, that was the scariest I've ever been in my life.

Like I said, the fear that came to me was just, oh man, it was just terrible.

It's like this fear just covered us.

Anyway, so I'll move on.

The next, so the next story I'm going to talk about is just a weird occurrence that happened.

This was probably a year or two after this last situation.

And I was just at my neighbor's house outside.

We were playing basketball.

This is a very weird thing that happened.

And my little sister was with me.

And we were just playing basketball.

It was a good day, normal day, sunny day in the summertime.

His dad was inside the house.

I think he was watching TV on the couch.

And we were outside.

The garage, his garage was open while, you know, while we played Beth's school.

So we were just playing shooting hoops.

And I think we all stopped for some reason.

Like nothing crazy.

We were just talking or something.

Like, hey, you know, we started talking about something.

And we were just, I was just dribbling the basketball.

And all the sun.

We hear this.

But this like, it sounded like a, like a gunshot went off in a scratch.

And this kind of ties into another story that I'm going to tell you next.

I mean, we all jumped and like, I think my little sister fell because she was younger.

She got really scared.

But the weird part about it is it did not ring our ears.

And when we jumped, it was almost like we were like shocked that it happened.

Because the noise was so loud.

But it also went, it didn't like echo.

So it was very weird.

So you know, after that, I was like, did something had to happen?

Like you should, you should go talk to your dad, you know, try to figure it out.

I was like, maybe, maybe something fell like it right inside the doors.

Or you're, you know, he had a washer and dryer inside.

So I was like, maybe that something blew up or something.

When inside, he talked to his dad, he brought his dad out.

And we asked him like, you know, he said, Dad, did you hear this noise?

We heard this huge loud bang.

It was so weird.

And then he's like, no, I didn't hear anything.

You know, so this whole time, his dad's sitting inside.

He doesn't hear a sound, a peep.

He said he heard nothing.

Like, no, a lot of noise.

So I don't understand how he could be right inside that door.

Maybe like 15, like I said, watching TV in the couch just sitting there.

The house is not that big.

So it's not that much of a distance between us.

And not hear this.

I even asked my parents, did you guys hear that?

Because they're next door.

They said no.

And it was just a weird phenomenon.

I don't know what it was.

But he looked everywhere in the house.

Nothing was there.

He was not a hunter.

He had no guns.

Because I asked him.

I was like, I kind of, I wanted to roll everything out.

I was like, do you have a gun?

Maybe your gun went off or something?

And he said, no, I don't have a gun.

Okay.

So from there, we kind of just blew it off, you know.

That was it.

But this ties into my next story.

So my next story is it's about, I think it was probably six months to a year later.

It was just my mom and my sister at home.

And I wasn't there.

This wasn't involving me.

But this ties into kind of what I heard at my neighbors.

They were home.

I think it was around.

I think the sun was just going down.

So it wasn't too dark out.

The sun was setting.

And they were just hanging out inside.

And my parents had a two story house, like a suburban house.

You know, wasn't too big.

Wasn't too small.

But two stories, you know, three bedrooms.

All of a sudden, they're sitting there.

And I think they were talking or something.

I forgot what they were doing exactly.

But they heard the same noise bang.

I mean, my mom freaked out.

She said it was on the roof.

It sounded like it was on the roof.

And then she heard the weird part was about this story.

She heard footsteps this time.

I don't know what, you know, I guess I don't know what this is.

The phenomenon in my eyes.

And I guess like she freaked out her and my sister were like,

they ran outside actually because they were so scared.

So I don't know where this came from.

I don't know why this happened in like the six month to a year period.

But these two times, yeah, they heard this loud, loud noise.

And this time it was actually followed by some footsteps on the.

She said it sounded like it was on the roof,

but it was like two feet walking clearly.

It wasn't like like an animal or something.

It was like, you know, someone thumping their two feet walking.

Like any other human or something.

So that was very weird.

So, okay, so my next story I'm going to talk about.

This kind of relates to those stories in a way,

but it's a little, that's definitely different.

This is at the same house.

My parents old house.

This was, I want to say a couple of years after that, like three years, four years.

Yeah, probably four, four years to five actually.

I was driving at that time.

My parents were gone.

My little sister was home.

She was old enough to be home alone for that daytime.

She had to go home to spend night with her.

So I started going home from my girlfriend's house.

I think it was like, I think I, by the time I got home, it was like 11 o'clock.

But on my way home, I was listening to a podcast.

And they were talking about like a UFO incident they had or something.

Something about aliens.

And so I listened to it.

You know, no big deal.

There were these podcasts, right?

So I get home about 11, 11, 30.

Start out.

Go inside.

My sister was waiting for me to get home.

Like, hey, you know, how's it going?

So we started talking.

Anyways, so we're talking for a little bit.

And I start talking about that podcast I was listening to, like the alien encounter.

And I don't know.

It wasn't really like we weren't.

It wasn't like spooky or anything at all.

We were just talking about it.

Like, hey, you know, what do you think about this?

I just listened to this podcast today.

How do you feel about it?

And um, after a while, you know, talking, we just ended the conversation.

She's like, okay, you know, I'm going to get ready for bed and head to bed.

So she went upstairs to the second story.

My room was in the basement below the main floor.

Okay.

So my sister is at the top floor.

She's, I think she was in the bathroom, like brushing her teeth or something.

I started FaceTiming my girlfriend at the time.

And I was like, hey, you know, we are talking.

I went in my room in the basement.

And above my room, you could hear if anyone was walking,

because there was no insulation between my room and the floor.

Everyone's walking.

I could clearly hear where they are, where they're going.

You know, I hear the two foot steps.

You know, you could hear it clearly.

All the sudden, this is crazy.

I know my sister's upstairs on the top floor.

Clearly, I could hear the water running too.

And I hear this like, look, this noise.

It wasn't too loud, but it was like a door was shutting.

And not like a regular door, like a cabinet door.

And I was like, why, so right away I stopped.

You know, I was on FaceTimed with my girlfriend.

I'm like, what is that?

I thought, look, you know, I thought my sister was upstairs.

And this is crazy.

But all of a sudden, I hear these two feet clapping on the floor,

like they're barefoot, right?

Running across the kitchen from the living room where my room is under,

over to the kitchen, which I could clearly hear there in the kitchen too,

because the basement, the house wasn't that big.

The basement wasn't that big.

Just had that one room, my room.

And then a little storage area.

So I'm like, whoa, you know, the hair on my neck stood up.

I got the chills, like this vibrant energy just hit me.

I hung up on my girlfriend.

I said, I'll, you know, I got to go.

Because I'm thinking immediately, someone broke into the house.

But the weird part is, I was like, why would they be barefoot, you know?

But I processed all that later on.

I was so scared and fearful for my sister that I sprinted upstairs.

And, you know, I have a gun.

So I grabbed my gun really quick, ran upstairs.

Because my sister's a lot younger than me.

No hesitation.

Sprinted up there.

And there was nothing.

The only thing I found was a cabinet door open.

That sounded like exactly where it came from.

That cat door opening and shutting noise to the cable box under the TV.

So I don't know what it was at my opinion.

And this is just my opinion.

These, these alien entities.

And these, because I feel like for some reason, I attracted this to happen.

But anyways, before I get into that, I want to explain to my sister, heard it clearly.

And when I ran up there and I looked around, I was looking in the living room.

She ran out of the bathroom.

She said, did you just, you know, did you just hear that?

She said, I locked the door and I was scared because I didn't have my phone.

And I was trying to give your attention.

I don't know if she was trying, but she wanted to give my attention.

That's what she said.

And her face was like, shy, scared.

I mean, her expression was like, I'm scared shit, you know, crabless.

So right after that, you know, we discussed it.

And I said, all right, just tell me what happened.

Because, you know, I'm the one who heard it above my head.

These two feet running through the house.

And she said, well, you know, I had, I was in the bathroom.

I was getting ready to take a shower.

I think she said, like, right when I was about to get in the shower, I heard a door shut.

I was like, what's that?

And she said, she thought she heard me going to my room.

I was like, yeah, it wasn't my room in the basement.

She explained the same exact thing as me.

Except she said, right away, I locked the door, the bathroom door.

And I was just freaking out.

So, you know, after that, we just stayed up the rest of the night.

And with all the lights on, we sat there.

We talked.

We kept the TV.

We were so scared.

We almost left.

We almost went to my grandparents' house.

But we couldn't.

I was like, let's just stay.

We'll leave all the lights on.

We'll leave the TV on.

You know, we'll turn all the lights on outside.

And that was that.

It was so scary though.

I mean, that was another time where I was scared.

But this time I kind of, I didn't run.

Maybe because of my maturity or age and my protection from my sister.

But I didn't run.

So that was that story.

And that, you know, I don't know if that ties into the loud noises that myself.

And my siblings heard, but.

And it was definitely scary.

And, you know, after listening to a podcast, getting home and then experiencing this.

I almost feel like, you know, these entities are.

These are all like a multi-dimensional type entities, in my opinion.

Just for my bad experience, you know, that's just my opinion.

I know their story I'm going to go into.

So this was at a time.

When I, I recently learned about like lucid dreaming.

And I started having vivid dreams after learning about it.

I was still in my parents house living in the basement.

So at this time, I think I worked part time.

I was going to school or something.

It's kind of like a, not a blur, but during this period of my life, you know, it was.

It was really like, I kind of didn't know what I was doing.

I was just working going to school.

Didn't have any like goals or direction.

Which is fine, you know, being younger.

And I learned about lucid dreaming.

I thought it would be something cool to try to do.

And right away, when I learned a technique on how to do it, I started.

It happened.

So I was able to lucid dream, which is pretty cool.

Very, very good feeling.

If you, if you're ever able to do it, it's pretty cool.

I definitely wasn't good at it, but, but I was able to do it a couple of times.

During this time, though, you know, I slept in the basement still.

My room was, there's no windows in my room.

So it was pitch black.

One night, I, it's kind of funny to say this.

But I was, I was sleeping and I kept waking up around like three or four.

And the morning.

And then I would fall back asleep every night.

I don't know why it just started happening.

So I would wake up at three or four in the morning.

Get up, you know, maybe take a sip of water.

Look at my phone or whatever.

And then drift off.

And you know, that's, that's how I would get into these dreams too.

Easier.

I felt like.

But one time.

I realized I wasn't dreaming.

I fell back asleep.

Well, I guess you could say sleep, but.

I basically had kind of like a, like a, I didn't, I want to say astral projected.

Because I don't really like that word, but a, or that label.

But yeah, I kind of had like an out of body experience where I woke up.

I turned, and I realized I'm.

I'm like, waitress.

But as I looked across my room, I could see my body.

As I looked across my room.

Turn my head again.

There was a shadow figure sitting there.

The shadow figure was pitch black.

My room was already black.

That, that realm I was in.

I guess you could say was black.

I basically was staring at it.

And something came to my mind when this happened.

And right away, I just got this, like, thought in my head.

Don't be afraid.

And go towards it.

Like, don't be afraid.

Basically fight or flight.

And I chose the fight.

I just went towards it.

Like through, I don't know how, like I said, this is.

This is the closest thing to an out of body experience I've ever had.

I ran towards it.

I guess you could say in my body.

I don't know how else to explain it floated towards it, whatever you want to say.

And when I hit it, I was shocked.

Like an electric shock.

So I went from hitting this thing that was in this, this apparition, this black figure was.

Up to my ceiling.

So I went from my bed and I like shot at it towards the ceiling and I hit it.

When I hit it, I felt that electric almost like, whatever you want to call it in that realm, this shock.

Like a high voltage, like, throughout my whole body.

And I was almost like paralyzed.

Then I went back down into the body and woke up.

And that was it.

It was very scary.

I woke up kind of scared.

I couldn't believe this happened because it just happened and I just got back.

I just woke up too right after it happened.

And it was like I was, I was alive.

You know, I felt like I was alive on another plane.

I was also alive here at the same time.

And that kind of reassured me, yes, this just did happen.

You know, right after that, I was like, I'm going to stop trying this lucid dreaming stuff, you know.

I don't think it's worth the unknowing circumstances that come about from this.

So I stopped doing it.

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I'm going to get into this next one.

I'm going to leave out a little detail because it's kind of personal to me.

I have something to do with someone I know that I never met, but I know to be in this situation and this experience.

Okay, so this next out of body experience I had, this is a lot brighter and really, really touching experience for me.

So falsely normal night, right?

This is probably a month after that last occurrence happened.

And falsely, I think I, at this time, I don't think I woke up, I think I slept normally.

I didn't, I don't think I woke up at like three or four in the morning.

But when this happened, it was like probably five or six in the morning because I remember it was later and I had to wake up pretty close afterwards to go to work.

But so this, I fell asleep.

I want to say, as I was sleeping, this is how I, how I feel it happened.

So as I was sleeping, I, I almost woke up in this like a light, but I wasn't awake in my body.

I almost, you could say I was in another realm.

I was out of body.

I woke up in this very bright, but peaceful light, like all loving, right?

And I looked and there was this girl.

Look at me. She looked like me. She had like a, she had bright hair, blue eyes.

She looked like she, she knew me in my head. I knew her.

And then she, I looked at her and I was like, where am I? I looked at my hands. I looked around me.

I couldn't see like it was just an awareness, like a conscious awareness.

It's like, where am I? You know, I asked her because I felt like I knew her.

And I was like, who are you?

And she said, I'm here.

I'm not going to say, I don't want to say who she is in my family.

But she said, I'm just sibling.

I'm right away. I ran up to where I hugged her.

Just automatically I hugged her.

And I started crying bad, just out of love, right?

Not sadness, like peer love.

And I ran up to her and I hugged her, not running, but you know, like projecting towards her and out of my body.

I guess she could say in this little light realm.

And she was beautiful.

Probably the prettiest thing I've seen, right?

Oh, I guess she could say person or spirit.

I guess I don't know what to call up.

And I started sobbing.

And I hugged her. I put my head on her shoulder and I just started crying.

And after that, yeah, I woke up crying.

I was still crying. And I woke up and I never forgot it.

To this day, it's hard for me to talk about it. I choke up.

And then after that, again, like I said, it was a sibling.

I'm not going to get into detail.

But I know it was confirmed, but it was a sibling.

Afterwards that I had no idea about.

I confirmed it.

See, though, that was touching, you know, that was positive, it was great.

And after that, I'd never had any out of my experience again.

And I'm kind of glad I felt like everything was leading up to that.

It was just a point in my life where I was, like I said,

I was kind of on the road to nowhere, just kind of neutral.

And after that, it seems like things changed a little bit better for my life.

Things just moved on.

But okay, I'm going to go on the next story.

Okay, this one's kind of weird.

This one's very weird, actually.

I'm going to go into this one because it's a little different subject.

And it kind of stirs it up.

So a normal day, I'm with my parents, my younger sister,

and brother-in-law.

And my older sister was at this wedding.

And she was part of the wedding.

So she was already there.

But my brother-in-law, my younger sister, parents,

we were driving to this wedding.

It was a family friend.

We were all just hanging out talking, you know,

getting ready for the wedding, kind of excited,

like any other person would be.

And so we're sitting there.

My dad turns his navigation on.

He had, at that time, like an Android phone.

It was a cheap phone, like the free ones you get.

If you sign up for a phone service, wasn't it an iPhone?

It was just a regular cheap Android phone.

And so he punches into navigation, I remember specifically,

because I never forgot this situation.

It was so crazy.

And it starts giving him directions, right?

And about three quarters of the way there,

we were talking about the wedding.

And I think me or my mom or something was like,

yeah, one of us was like, I love weddings.

Every time we go to a wedding, we have so much fun.

We love going to weddings.

And this navigation voice, clearly from my dad's phone,

started talking.

I know it sounds freaking like a loony bin.

But in front of all of us,

the navigation started talking

and it clearly said, I love weddings too.

You know, I wish I could just,

I wish I could go to this wedding with you guys.

Or something like that.

I mean, I don't know the word for word,

but I know it said like something insane.

We all went silent.

We all looked at each other.

And my dad turned his navigation off.

This is crazy.

In my opinion, this was,

I don't know what to say.

This is AI.

I look at the government and I know,

you know, I know the government's years ahead of us.

I'd say 50 to 100 years, maybe 200 years,

as far as technology advancements go.

I don't know if this was some type of leak,

a test on the public.

But in my opinion, this was AI,

sent in AI.

My family thinks the same thing.

I asked everyone in the car recently

to reassure they experienced this

and they didn't forget for some other reason.

Oh, no, they remember it clearly.

But I just remember everyone's reaction.

We're like this navigation,

this cheap Android navigate.

It was like, I don't,

it might have been Google maps.

It might have been some type of other navigate.

I'm pretty sure it was just Google,

because it was an Android.

But it clearly spoke to us

and knew what we were talking about.

And what reminded me of this situation too,

I kind of forgot about it,

is when this recent whistleblower

that worked for Google came out and said,

he thinks the AI is sentient.

So that's why I said,

maybe Google may not be,

I can't confirm it.

I should have at that time,

but just didn't come to my mind.

I think we were also shocked.

My dad turned his navigation off.

That's how shocked he was

and he's a very, very skeptical person.

And I asked him about it too.

He's opened up a little more

over the years since then.

And he said, yeah,

he thinks it was some type AI something.

I don't know.

So that was a very weird experience

that we had together as a little family

going to the wedding.

So what's next?

So I got,

okay, so this experience was a little weird

I wanted to talk about it

because I haven't heard anyone talk about this

on any podcast.

And this happened to me.

This happened to me when I was younger too.

This is kind of out of time,

but I wanted to pair up with the AI

because it's different from like a ghost

or alien encounter.

But so what happened was,

I was at my friend's party,

the same, actually,

that's kind of weird.

It was the same guy.

He was pretty much my best friend

that I had that paranormal experience at

when we started this podcast at his house.

So he had a party

and at that time we were skateboarding a lot.

And he had ramps,

like a little half pipe,

quarter pipe.

So we were skating the whole night

from morning till the party ended

at about probably nine at night.

And after this,

my friend,

my other friend,

not the one that had the party

that I had the paranormal experience at,

but my other friend said,

hey, you want to come over for the night?

You know, we're young.

I was like, yeah,

you know, it was like a Friday Saturday night.

I was like, yeah,

I was just,

I was sleeping at your house.

He lived about three miles away

and we were,

we were like,

oh, we'll just walk, you know.

We walked everywhere,

rode our bikes,

we were skateboarding everywhere.

So he didn't have a skateboard.

So I did.

So I just carried mine.

I was like, yeah,

we'll just walk.

No big deal.

So we started walking.

This is very weird,

but I know it's happened to other people

and that's why I want to talk about it.

I almost,

when we started walking,

the sun was going down a little bit.

It was definitely getting dark.

And I was normal,

you know, I didn't.

There was no drugs

or alcohol involved at all.

We were young.

So we didn't even have a drink.

And I felt like I was,

I was like watching myself,

almost like a third person.

At this time,

when this happened,

it happened right when we were leaving

my other friend's house,

his party.

And we were walking

to my other buddy's house.

So I got this feeling

like I was watching myself

and my friend in this life walking.

So I told him,

I was, I'm just making up a name.

I was like, you know,

I feel really weird right now.

And I explained it.

And he was a skeptical person too.

So I didn't get any,

any feedback from him,

but he just kind of blew it off.

So I kind of just blew it off,

but I never forgot it.

I mean, it's been over 10 years.

I never forgot this.

And I felt like I was almost,

I guess you could say,

not out of my body,

but I was experiencing

this person's life.

And this person was doing everything

that they had to do,

like talking and walking.

But I was projected out of my body

almost, but I was in my body.

It's very weird.

I haven't heard of this happening,

but all I remember is

the feeling went away

when we later on that night

after we settled down

in his house and just chilled.

I think I just sat down.

What is happening?

Like I said,

all the words that came out of my mouth,

it almost like it wasn't,

not it wasn't me,

but it's like I was watching this happen,

this life,

a third person.

That's how I explained it.

It's a third person experience.

You're just standing there observing,

you're observing.

So after this happened,

I never forgot it.

Never happened again.

But I did not forget about it.

That's why I brought it to the show.

But the weird part about it is

and this is why I remembered it again recently.

I was at work recently.

This is this year.

How's that work?

And a coworker mine.

We started, we were sitting there eating lunch

and we started talking about,

like I think he brought up

paranormal and psychology

and stuff like that.

And we started talking about the two halves

of the brain,

different things like that.

And he's a very smart guy.

Definitely has a photographic memory.

So he's a skeptical guy too.

But he is open to some stuff.

We started talking about it.

He started telling me this experience he had

in the third person.

Direct words out of his mouth.

So he had this,

and he explained everything as I did.

He felt like he was observing this guy in the spot

which is himself.

But this happened to him for over a week.

He said like one to two weeks.

He said I was scared.

I didn't know what to do.

His current fiance is going into psychology.

And this happened to him when he started dating her.

So he asked her what this could be.

She was unsure of it.

But he had the same experience.

He felt like he was almost not out of body

but observing this person.

At the same time,

he is this person.

And this person is doing everything the right way.

You know,

being himself.

Not being out of like a loony bin or whatever.

But being himself and observing.

But at the same time being.

I never heard of this phenomenon.

I never mentioned this to him.

That I had the same experience.

But he brought it up.

And that's how it's like,

oh my god, that party.

Walking to that friend's house.

This happened to me.

And I told him about it afterwards.

And, uh,

yeah, I thought it's an interesting thing.

I was curious if anyone else experienced this.

Or, you know, if you heard anyone experience this.

And again,

it never happened to me again.

And it only happened to me for like three or four hours.

For him,

it's a different story.

He said it was like a week.

We can have her two weeks.

So that was very interesting.

Um,

yeah,

I'll never forget it.

This is my last story.

This happened to

the one of my parents.

I'm not going to say who I feel weird saying.

Oh, all right.

I'll just say it was.

This happened to my mom.

I hate to say that because I.

It's their story.

But no one's going to find out.

It doesn't matter.

So my mom.

And her two siblings.

And my grandparents.

They were younger.

I think they were 13 to 14 years old.

My mom was.

And her her siblings were the same around the same age.

One or two year difference.

Her and my grandparents.

And that hurt their siblings.

They're driving in Michigan.

This was probably.

Like I said,

they were 12 years old to 14 years old.

This was probably in the 70s, 1970s.

They were in a suburban area, you know,

just outside of Detroit.

And my whole family is from Detroit and surrounding areas.

So they were just outside of Detroit, not in the country or anything.

Not in like a rural area.

And they were driving.

I think my grandpa had his like 67 Chevy or something.

I don't know.

Or it was either that or he had like a station wagon.

I don't know.

Something like that.

They saw.

They were driving.

They saw this light above them.

Super bright.

They said it lit the whole road up.

Because at that time, he said it was dark out.

It lit the whole road up.

There was no, no sound.

So he knew it wasn't a plane.

And my grandparents were always very open-minded,

just based on their experiences.

So they told me about this.

My parent or my mom didn't even tell me about this.

Or my aunt or her own cooler, whatever.

They didn't tell me about this either.

My grandparents did.

Yeah, it was this light.

It went above their car.

I never asked if they experienced missing time.

At that time, when they told me about this,

I didn't know too much about missing time.

Or I never heard too much about that.

So I didn't ask.

But yeah, they saw this light.

It was above their car.

I mean, it wasn't too high up.

But it was high enough.

My grandpa actually stopped.

And got out of the car.

He pulled over.

Got out of the car.

Because this was in like a server, you know.

This wasn't like a middle-knowware type situation.

They basically said, yeah, it shot off.

And he got out of the car.

He looked at it.

And then it shot off in the blink of an eye.

Bam.

Gone.

He saw it moved.

But it didn't just disappear.

It moved.

But it was so fast.

It just shot off.

It was faded into light.

My mom did confirm this.

She said, she remembers it.

I never asked her siblings.

My aunt and uncle or whatever.

If they.

If they experience this.

But I always ask my mom because she's open-minded too.

So.

And she said yes.

Yeah, this.

This happened.

Again, this was in 1970s.

Maturity.

So this kind of ties into my last story.

My grandparents.

The same.

The same grandparents.

That experience.

The light.

The UFO.

That we want to call it home.

They were in the upper peninsula of Michigan.

And this is very rural.

Thick woods.

Thick forest, you know.

You know, my grandpa had family up there.

He grew up there too.

He was about 15 and then came down to Detroit.

It was just him and my grandmother.

And they were driving.

Going up, I think, to his mom's house.

So my great grandmother's house.

And again, middle of nowhere dark.

Really dark.

Actually, so.

I guess my grandma was driving.

This time and.

My grandpa was sleeping.

And she's driving.

All son.

She sees this thing standing in the road.

She didn't know what it was at first.

You know, back then.

This was probably in the.

I want to say before they had my parents.

I was six, early 60s.

Like six, few years before they had my mom.

And.

Yeah, it was a, she described it as a dog man.

From my eyes, she didn't call it a dog man.

But she said it was like a werewolf blood all over its mouth.

Standing on two legs, staring at them.

Panting, breathing heavy.

She could see its breath.

It was cold out, but she could see its breath.

She started a panicking.

And woke my grandfather up.

He saw it too.

I confirmed this.

Because I think she told me the story.

And then.

He.

Budged in.

And I said, yes, I, you know, I woke up.

Saw it.

And he said, punch it.

You know, hit the gas.

Go.

There she kind of panicked and slowed down.

And it was on the side of the road a little bit.

So they were able to, they drove around it.

As fast as I can.

And it just stood there and stared at them.

I never, I'm going to ask her when I see her, my grandmother.

I never asked her if.

It had like what type of hands it had or.

Detail, but she said it was standing up and two legs staring at them.

All over its mouth.

Like a man.

But it was a wolf.

I heard him a lot of experiences up there.

They call it the Michigan dog man.

And this is after they told me about the story.

I learned this when I was young.

Before I even heard anyone else talk about it.

I'm pretty sure.

So.

And that is that story.

That's my last story, Nick.

I had a pretty crazy experience.

Good job, Jay.

Wow.

You have had several strange paranormal experiences.

Yes.

Very strange.

Very strange.

So many interesting ones.

Yeah, these, these accounts of dog man, you know, they, they go back generations.

People have been seeing these, uh, these strange upright beasts for a long time.

Yes.

Yeah, I've heard a lot of stories.

Uh, since I initially heard this story from my grandmother.

So, um, it's pretty, it's pretty surreal to me now that there's a lot out there.

That we have no idea about.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You just try and get some more detail off her.

Yeah.

I would like to.

She's getting pretty old, but she does have a memory.

So I will ask her.

And I'll try to get more detail on that situation.

Definitely.

Yeah.

That would be great.

Let's start off with the, the third person view.

Because that is very unusual.

And, uh, I just want to try and understand how rare this actually is.

So if any of our listeners out there have experienced something that Jay has, uh, has said about

his third person view, like he was observing himself from a distance.

Shoot me an email to see if this is, if this is a thing.

Because I know in regression, you know, when, when people have regression, the hypnotherapist

can do it and put you in a state that you're, you're viewing the event as a third person.

Okay.

I'm just wondering if, if this is something which you can split in your, in your head maybe,

is possible to access or you would literally view in from, from the eyes of someone else.

Someone that, you know, visually wasn't there to you.

Right.

And yeah, I've thought about this a lot.

And, um, the feeling was, I was, I was scary.

Again, like I said, because I never had this experience.

And I remember clearly saying to my friend, like, hey, you know, I feel this weird way.

I tried to explain it.

He was kind of skeptical about stuff like that.

So I just, I stopped.

And, um, waited till it stopped.

Luckily for me, it didn't last too long for him.

It did.

So I wouldn't like to hear more about that.

If anyone experienced that, definitely.

I mean, yeah, I mean, your friend had it for a couple of weeks.

And so we're not, we're not talking about being in a dream state or actually talking about

being physically, you know, being awake and experiencing this because we've,

I think of all our dreams where we've kind of viewed ourselves maybe in a dream.

This is where you're awake.

Yes, this is clearly when I was awake.

I went to the party.

I remember the party, you know, because I remember this situation.

So I remember everything that happened before.

I remember going to my friends, staying the night there.

I mean, it was, this is not a dream.

It was real 100% and confirmed because when I hung out with the guy that had recently,

I keep in touch with the friend that had the party where I actually had the previous

where normal experiences.

And, you know, I brought it up because I didn't, I didn't bring up the whole thing that happened to me,

but I brought up the party to reassure that this party happened because, you know,

you tried to weed out any possibilities like you said, a dream or something.

No, it's confirmed this happened to me.

Yeah, so me and Jay would like to hear more accounts of this.

So if you have experienced or have known someone that has gained contact,

this is pretty interesting actually.

Yeah, absolutely.

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Now the AI, yeah, that's a very strange one.

It makes you wonder whether, you know, technology and AI is developing so rapidly that it is becoming sensitive.

I've experienced something a little bit similar to that.

I've got like a Bluetooth speaker that when I'm doing stuff in the house side,

you know, I connect it up and play music over it.

A lot of times I'll forget to turn the Bluetooth speaker off,

so it just kind of actually goes to whatever.

But there's been plenty of times when I've heard voices over my Bluetooth speaker when I haven't been running,

you know, I haven't had anything, I've had no music on there, I've had no podcasts.

And I clearly, it owes that, actually, it was only back in October.

My Bluetooth speaker spoke and said my name.

It was a female voice.

Wow. Yeah, I believe it.

I mean, this, this only I situation with the whole world is going to develop rapidly.

I know, I know it is because I work with robots and stuff like that for my job.

But all I know is this happened.

It was the navigation's voice.

It wasn't any like human voice, but it was a navigation voice that was previously giving us directions.

And we were just mind blowing.

I mean, this, whatever this voice said, yeah, I love, you know, I love weddings.

I love, I wish I could experience this wedding with you guys or something.

Something insane.

And my dad just shut it off.

He's like, what, and I was like, I think I was the first person to say, did you hear that?

You know, and then we all, we all reaffirming assured it.

I mean, it wasn't just saying hello to you.

Was it, it was being quite specific when it said, I love weddings too.

Yes, it was like, I love weddings too.

And then I think it said like, I wish I could go to this wedding with you guys with all of you or something like that.

And then we just looked at each other.

I looked at my brother in law, my sister, parents were in the front seats.

And my dad, my dad shut it right off.

I was like, oh my god.

And then I brought it up again recently.

I always bring it up because I want to make sure, you know, don't forget about this.

Don't forget.

Yeah, I don't blame him for shutting it off.

That is, that's very strange.

Yeah, it makes you wonder.

And also, I mean, I've got security cameras that I control via an app on the phone.

Sometimes I'll put it up on the tablet so I can view all the cameras around the property in there.

And there's been times where I've had the tablet on.

I've been the only person that has access to the movement of these cameras,

or can do anything with them.

And there's been times where I've seen the cameras moving by themselves.

So someone has been literally controlling the movement of the camera.

So I've then got to shut them all down.

I've then got to change all the parts, so it's all the admin passwords.

So, you know, if you're going to technology these days, you don't know who is able to get access.

Yeah, right.

And yeah, very well could have been someone, but especially at that time, it's like,

okay, how are you going to hack into a navigation voice?

You know, it was just so weird.

I mean, well, yeah, very well could have been someone.

I'm not definitely not rooting that out.

But to me, after seeing the advancement from that time to now,

I think it was something to do with AI or something like that.

Go with you on that, because I know when you download some apps,

it does ask about permissions with your microphone.

Now, this can be just random apps that probably have nothing to do with recording

or voice speaking or anything like that, but still they ask for these permissions.

So I'm wondering if, you know, your microphones are pretty much on or time,

hence why we see all these ads, which have seemed to be specifically targeting us,

even though we haven't searched for something.

You know, we might just have had a conversation about product or a movie or whatever,

and then you're all of a sudden you're starting to see these ads.

So it's quite possible that this AI is developing that way,

and then it's then making conversation with you or making observations.

So it's quite scary, actually.

Yeah, absolutely.

It is scary.

And, you know, after working with robots for the past four years,

five years of my life, you know, I could see,

I went from working on self-programming robots to working with artificial intelligence robots,

for a big, big grocery manufacturer.

And, yeah, it's amazing.

It's advancing fast.

And we're starting to see robots a lot more in places now.

I'm not talking about industry, you know, we've had robots in the car industry for years and stuff,

but I've started seeing more and more robots now.

You see them at airports, you know, the robot cleaners that do the hoovering.

They're actually getting quite big now.

You see them, and I've seen robots which, in shops,

this was in Asia, this was where they're in shops,

where these robots are driving around,

and they're selling the products.

They're literally selling you, like, mashed potato and whatever the special is,

and they will engage you in conversation on this via this tablet.

Yeah, I think it's a Japanese restaurant,

and we were actually served by a robot.

So the robot would, the waiters would take your order,

and then this robot would come around with your food,

and actually carrying it in, you know,

as these shells inside, and then, you know, you take your food,

and then it plods off.

So it's a little bit frightening that how starting to come into everyday life now.

Yeah, it is. It's very frightening.

That happened to me too recently.

Got served by a robot.

It's kind of funny.

It's kind of funny.

The one in the shopping center, I was actually following it around.

And I was having conversation with it,

and I was standing in front of it to see if it would go around me,

and Stephanie did all that, very strange.

Yeah. Isn't that funny?

Yeah. And those will be, you know,

advancing so fast, you know, especially with Tesla,

and all those big companies developing these humanoid robots.

It's coming, man.

It's coming near how soon.

It is coming.

And all these science fiction films that we used to watch in the seven

is eighties and nineties.

It seems like this is how it might even turn out.

So, yeah.

The sound it actually might eventually take over,

and the machines would take over.

Yeah. It's definitely scary too, right?

You've got to look at it on both sides.

You've had these paranormal events throughout your life.

The apparition you saw was in period clothing.

Yes. Yeah. That was, like I said,

it was like, you know, like those old suits from like the 20s,

like the wool almost,

like that brown, old color, that brown.

It's the color.

I remember the color pretty much.

It was like a dark, I'd say black brown,

but just this guy, I mean,

put it this way, it didn't look like a human,

but it did.

He was like seven, five or just this crazy height,

and he was holding a suitcase on his side,

just staring.

And when I, like when my friends on me trembled,

when I saw him, this fear came over me.

That's the weird part, the fear that made me just run.

It just made me run.

Like I didn't want to stop.

I don't understand.

He was, like I said, he was standing in that.

He might have been taller than seven, seven, five,

because he was standing right by that little dip in the ground

that three foot decline,

the not whole, but like pit, I guess you could say.

I went back there.

I looked a few times over the years and nothing.

I mean, I didn't see anything, didn't hear anything.

I tried to see if something was in that hole.

I didn't dig it up, but I kind of looked

to see if I noticed anything sticking out of that hole,

like possibly someone's belongings

from a long time ago or something,

you know, thinking it's paranormal and nothing.

Couldn't find anything.

I do know that around that area,

there's a lot of native,

there was a lot of native land before Native American land.

So, like I have a friend that lived on a Native American burial area

and he's found arrows.

I think he's found like ten arrowheads

and he had like a professional look at them and confirm,

yeah, they were from this tribe in this area at that time, you know.

But this guy did not look native or even like a regular human.

So, I don't understand.

And did he react to you at all?

He did not react.

And I don't know if that made it more scary,

but he just stood and he stared straight

and he just stood there like his back was straight,

suitcase perfectly on his hand.

I think it was in his right hand

and we were facing his right side, you know.

But he was to the side a little bit,

but he was staring across.

He did not budge, he did not move.

It's almost like he was standing there solid,

but it definitely was not anything I've seen in those woods,

the fear that came over you.

Like I said, the fear, that's what,

that's what really set me off was,

it was the scariest I've ever been in my life.

I mean, just picture fear times a thousand.

You know, you're getting scared times a thousand

and you just want to run.

You just, you don't stop.

I ran a mile across the wood.

No problem. Jump the crew.

When adrenaline kicks in, yeah, you're gone.

I think there's a lot of people out there which have experienced that fear

when it comes to the paranormal.

And yeah, it's, you never know how your body is going to react

whether you're going to just stay there or you're just going to leg it.

It's crazy.

It makes you wonder that, you know, the guy was carrying a suitcase,

so maybe he was going somewhere,

whether it's passing through that location.

It makes you wonder sometimes when you hear of apparitions in a particular area,

they're usually stuck there for a reason.

Maybe, you know, he lost his life somehow in that area

and these, maybe his bones are still there and he can't, and he can't leave.

Definitely, yeah.

And that's why I noticed like when I went back to, like I said,

he was standing by that little dip in the ground, like that little pit.

But I didn't dig in it.

I should have dug it and checked it out when I went there last,

but I don't want to be that guy with the shovel in the woods just as an adult walking in there.

Yeah, you'll get an suspicion with that.

I mean, if, you know, he was wearing period clothing,

so it's not, obviously several decades ago.

So chances are that if there is any remains,

it would be so overgrown, maybe there'd be roots that would have grown through.

And, you know, so it probably would be difficult to find in any case.

But yeah, I mean, it's his interest and he had a suitcase.

So what, you know, what would that mean?

He was going somewhere and something happened to him,

and he was robbed and then buried, or he was escaping from something.

So he never knows that's a mysterious one.

Yeah, exactly.

The situation, the way he was dressed was definitely dated back.

And I don't know, that might have put some fear on it too.

I do, yeah, I don't blame you for running,

but did you go back on your own?

I didn't go back on my own.

I was kind of scared too.

Like, even to this day, I don't think I would go back on my own

because I just know that fear when it happened is just so strong, like the fear.

But I did go back with, actually, we went back as a group of friends.

This is years later, and we had a bomb fire back there or something.

You know, all the guys that used to hang out, like all of my neighbors,

that we would, I would play with as a kid back there.

And we just had a fire next to the creek or something one night,

had a few beers, but no, I did not go back there on my own.

I was scared.

I did look there though, in that same spot,

because it was right next to the fire that we built 10 feet, 15 feet away,

maybe something like that.

So it's not too far.

And my parents did move away from there.

So if I did go there, I would have to just kind of maybe ride my bike around there or something.

It might be worth just seeing if, historically,

there was any, you know, any other reports in that area

or maybe a missing person, but chances are there wouldn't be, you know,

there wouldn't be a record of that.

Yeah.

Based on the period of this close, like you said, the time period.

I should look that up though.

I will look that up, definitely.

Yeah, it might be, it might be worth it.

And you never know.

You might, uh, might solve a mystery.

Yeah.

That would be cool.

That would be awesome.

Wow.

The strange noise that you heard at your friend's house.

So you heard this loud bang, this loud noise.

Your friend heard it and your sister.

Yeah.

Yeah, my neighbor heard it.

The kid that I would hang out with, um,

and my sister, my younger sister.

And again, his dad was inside.

And it was so loud.

Like basically, like picture lightning hitting a transformer

and blowing up.

Like, that's how loud this thing was.

But it did not echo.

That was so weird.

Like, there was no echo.

But we all heard it.

And we were like shocked, you know,

like kind of made a shake a little like a gunshot going off next to you.

And we were kind of scared.

Like not scared.

But, you know, like wondering,

did a gun just go off or something by itself or?

Because his dad was in there alone instead.

He was definitely watching TV.

Because we asked, you know,

we got him to check everything out.

And he said, yeah, I don't have a gun.

It was very weird.

There was no nothing in the garage either.

Like, it was just, I think he had like a shoe rack in there.

You know, like maybe a few,

like a lawnmower,

a few tools,

a push lawnmower.

I mean, nothing that blew up.

You know, nothing blew up.

So it was very weird.

Very weird. I know children, you know,

they reach a certain age,

but they can hear high-pitched tones, can't they?

As soon as you reach a certain age,

you stop here, they hear this tone.

I know some shopping centers they buy,

these things called mosquitos.

And they basically send out this pitch.

So any loitering teenagers

and kids,

it will like annoy them and then move on.

Because it just trains that the children heard it,

but the adults didn't.

Right, that is strange.

Yeah, it was definitely not a high-pitched tone.

It was a bang.

I mean, like I said,

take a,

take an old shock on

and just shoot it next to your ear.

You know, not directly,

but you know what I mean?

Like, right next to your body.

And that's how wild it was

inside of a smaller room.

That's what it sounded like.

Right. Yeah. That is light.

Yeah. It was so weird.

I never forgot it.

My sister about it.

She remembered it too.

Yeah, no doubt.

Going on set,

Lucy Dreaming.

Yeah, Lucy Dreaming.

It's very powerful.

I mean, as far as

it's pretty easy to do.

Like I found really quick.

I found the way I could do it is

every like four times a day,

look at your hands

and ask yourself,

am I dreaming?

And look around you.

And look at your body,

like your hands.

Do that four times a day.

And then at that time,

I also heard of you peanut butter

that helps invoke the dream.

So I did that.

Those two things.

Very interesting.

That is interesting.

I mean, I left peanut butter in any case.

I had a friend in the dream,

one of my good friends,

and one of my lucid dreams,

and I said,

hey, so and so,

you know, you're my dream, right?

And I looked at him,

you know,

and he just kind of stared.

And I think he kind of blew me off

didn't say much about it.

And then,

but if I asked him other questions,

because I've experimented

I've experimented when I was doing it,

he didn't, he seemed to respond to other questions,

but not intelligently, you know, like,

very simple, like,

oh, okay,

or stuff like that,

like little words.

But in my lucid dreaming experience,

you can't,

you tell people,

like I could definitely say,

hey, come here.

And people will walk towards you,

the characters.

So it's creepy.

It is weird.

Like I said,

I stopped doing it

because I just don't really have an interest

in it anymore,

but it's very cool to try at least.

I mean, this interaction that you had,

you know,

where it was a lucid dream,

or an antibody experience,

you know,

you approached this shadow figure,

you had a reaction.

Do you remember,

last night,

you grabbed this figure,

or you jumped towards?

Yeah.

So this,

and my, I mean,

this is just my experience.

This was an out-of-body experience,

because I looked at my body,

and it was dark in my room,

and I looked,

I got up,

if I was getting up

to sit in my bed,

from laying down,

I got up,

and we'll turn around,

and I'm like,

oh my god,

it's just happening.

You know,

because I heard about it,

I never really like,

got into it too much,

but I was in the lucid dreaming too,

so,

but this was not a dream.

I was in my room,

it was dark, you know,

but I was like,

then I saw it.

I saw the figure,

and something came to my head,

and said like,

never run from these entities,

not that exact wording,

but it's just like,

it was an awareness,

like, don't run,

don't be scared,

and I just shot at it.

That was my reaction,

because, you know,

in that realm,

it's different,

you're not walking, really.

I mean, you can,

I think,

from what I've looked into,

and then right when I hit it,

because it was black,

it's blacker than black,

and it had, like,

a devil horns almost,

on the top of its head,

which was very scary.

When you see something blacker than night,

clearly,

you feel like, you know,

what am I saying?

I shot at it,

hit it,

and I remember my body slowly going back down,

or my spirit body,

slowly going back down,

I lightened my back,

because I was,

I was jolted,

I was,

it's like being electrocuted,

and then,

slowly as I was being electrocuted,

it was like this deep, deep,

like,

if you get shocked, right?

You get shocked by something.

Did you remember those pens

that would shock you,

the fake trick pens?

I, yeah,

from the joke shop.

Yeah, joke shop.

Yeah.

It's like that.

But your whole body,

that's exactly what I felt.

As I hit it,

it happened,

went right back into my body slowly,

but when I went into my body,

I woke right up,

and I got up,

and I was like,

oh, you know,

kind of worried, like,

panicking a little,

and I got up,

turned my light on,

I think, or something like that,

the rest,

I kind of forgot what I did after that,

but I never forgot that.

Yeah, that's,

that's scary, isn't it?

Knowing that,

these figures,

these things,

in,

around us,

so to speak, you know,

it's very strange,

and especially as it has homes.

Right.

I mean, yeah,

these, these shadow beings

or whatever they are,

I mean,

I don't know what they are,

I,

I've tried to look into it,

and see if I can understand it more,

but everyone just says,

you know, they're lower level entities

or whatever they want to say,

but it's just,

we don't know.

We really, when it comes down to it,

we don't know.

And recently,

I've been thinking about that experience,

and I really kind of am concerned about it,

because I hit that being,

my,

what my spirit body,

or whatever you want to call it,

and I touched it, you know.

So,

it's kind of been freaking me out,

thinking about it lately,

just from touching it,

and having that shock,

and not realizing that,

I,

I came in contact with that,

and it's not,

you know, it's fine,

my life's good,

and I haven't had any defects in the 3D,

but, you know,

that's just what I think about.

You're not worried he bears a grudge,

or anything are you?

Right.

Oh, man.

Jay hit me.

Jay, I really appreciate you coming on,

sharing that for our listeners.

Yeah, thanks, man.

I appreciate you,

and good luck with everything,

and Jay, I'll talk to you soon.

All right, man, take care.

Take care, brother.

You too.

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