Do Your Kids Completely Lose It When They Miss Sleep?

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1:00We didn't have any money with our first child, so we couldn't go on a baby moon. Not even to this county over. Yeah, we would go on. You think that would not be... We're gonna be going to the Nashville Zoo plenty when we have kids. We don't need to do that for a baby moon. Yeah. Yeah, no, so we didn't take a baby moon. Then we didn't take a baby moon with our second one, because it was COVID, right? Directly in the middle of COVID. Yeah. So are we gonna take a baby moon with this one and does it count to take a baby moon if you have your kids with you? That's the big question. Is a baby moon with your children? That is the... Or is it not? Do you have to be just the couple in order for it to be a baby moon? I feel like it's just the couple. If it's not... Not officially. Because if you take your kids and just a family vacation before the baby comes... Ooh. Right?

2:00Good point. Yeah. So... All right, we're done. We figured that out. Jason, I kind of wanted to take our boys abroad. We've been wanting to do that for a while. And we... We've been saving for it. And so we've thought... At first we thought we'd go over Thanksgiving to Ireland because you know our thoughts on Thanksgiving. And then after we went on a work trip to Pennsylvania, we're like, yeah, we're not taking them anywhere. So here's my problem is if we wanted to fly within any kind of different time zone. Listen, our kids can barely handle daylight saving time. How are we going to handle an eight hour change of jet lag? Right. If we decided to go to like... I think other kids must just be a little more flexible.

3:02And I don't know if it's something we did to fail in parenting or if it's just our kids' personalities. We need to know now that we have another one coming. If they go to bed an hour late, the next day... It's wrecked. It's wrecked. It's not even a little bit annoying or hard to get through. It's wrecked. Yeah, and I don't get it. Is it because we've been so consistent? Is it because we've been Nazis about it about getting them to bed at 7.30? Yeah, I feel like a normal bedtime is normal. I listen. Like you have a rhythm of the day. Occasionally, I get up very early, very early in the fives occasionally. And I see the school bus picking up kids at 5.50

4:02in our neighborhood. And I think to myself every time I see that school bus, I think what did their kids have to go to bed at 4.30 in the afternoon? How are they managing this? How in the world are they not coming home? How are they not getting in school fights every day? I will say our children expend a lot of energy because they're running a lot. They're playing. So then they're tired. By the time it's time for bed. Other kids might not even be that tired because they've been sitting for a long time. Not using up all their energy. I don't know. I don't get it. I feel like our kids are great kids. Of course. They're the best. They're just not very flexible with the sleep stuff. With sleep stuff. So then we just feel like we can't go very far. They both dropped their naps early like when they were young. Like they don't, they don't. Neither one of them like sleep.

5:02They don't want to sleep. Neither one of them were, he's one's eight and one's about to turn six and they still don't like sleeping. They don't go to bed fine. They go to bed fine. Yeah, they go to bed fine. They sleep through the night fine. They get up. They're not sleeping in. No, it's like seven o'clock. They're up. And that's great. That is great. I'm not complaining. Some kids get up at five, five, thirty, six. We are not complaining about the time. The problem is, and we need help here. We're reaching out. That's what the bonus episode is for today. We need help. If you deviate from that schedule, usually roughly eight in the night to seven in the morning. If you deviate from that, our day is wrecked. Even just by an hour, or by, I would wager to say 30 minutes. I'll give 30 minutes. But like an hour, it's done. But if we go 30 minutes past, bedtime, or an hour past,

6:02Jason sneaks upstairs. And puts the clock back 30 minutes. And the change of the stove. So that when they get up at seven o'clock and come downstairs and look at the time on the stove, it is consistent with what the clock in their room says. It is either incredibly devious and deceptive, or complete genius. Because we've gotten them to sleep in a little, because... Just changing the clock. The clock. Because we're like, you don't go to bed, or don't get up until seven. That's kind of the... That's the rule. Because if we didn't have that rule, let me just explain. If we didn't have the rule of stay in bed till seven, they would get up at five. They would wake up at five, look at the clock, and just get up. And it wouldn't... Because we're like, you have to stay in bed until seven. Yeah. And they don't go back to sleep. And they don't go back to sleep. And they don't go back to sleep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can't ever say, all right, just sleep if we can stay it up late. And say it's like 4th of July, and we watched fireworks from afar, not that we support it.

7:02But we do it. But we do it. We're not paying for it. You know, we try to say, can you guys try to sleep till seven, 30? Because, you know, just to get in that actual... Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We'll do it. They never do it. Never, never have. And that's fine. So my question is, I'm just curious if anybody else out there has... Kids that just don't really... Completely inflexible. With the time at the at night. Able to sleep wherever. Yeah. They're sleep great wherever. We need a hotel room. Be wherever. The amount of floor. Does not matter where. No, they will sleep. They'll sleep. And they're... If they hit their normal time, they're well-rested. Mm-hmm. It's great. Great. We still have other issues. There's still life. Everybody has other issues. So it's like that's... We're not saying that this... But it is just... But it's not a day going smoothly hinges on that sleep.

8:02I mean, man. Yeah, I know. And it hinges. We are not able to cope with anything. Yeah. If there is a lack of sleep. So that does kind of... Not us, the children. More me than Emily. Emily can cope way better than I can. So they get it from me. I'm sure. Yeah. I lose. It's not so much time. If I didn't get enough sleep overall, I'm just... It's grouchy. I'm a little bit grouchy. But I'm old enough to check myself sometimes. When I say... Check yourself. Hey, Dave's needing to check yourself. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. So that does put a limiting factor in what we feel like we can do. There's another part of me that just thinks, well, we should just go for it. And get it... Let's say we did go to Ireland. There's a flight that's like... 8 or 9 hours. I think it's no stops. I think it goes out of Atlanta. I'm not sure. And it's overnight. Technically they could sleep.

9:03They could sleep. I don't know if they would though. If you let it be very excited. It leaves it night. They may not flown. Yeah. Neither of them. It leaves it night and it arrives in the morning there. That's ideal. Not the way back. The way back is another... Yeah, but it's risky. It's risky. That's really risky. And are... I mean, you've heard the story about the demon toy from our five-year-old... Have you? Has the podcast... Did we tell it? I think so. Yeah, I think so. Okay. I don't know what episode that was, but... It's just a wild card sometimes. And... Great kid. Both of them. Great kid. So sweet. But wild cards in certain situations. So sweet and can be so somewhere. And so then it's like, do we want to deal with that abroad? That's more of the issue. Is that... You're paying for a vacation to go to this week-long or maybe 10 days. I don't know what we would do. And then like three of those days.

10:04Because jet lag can last a while. It can. This is a territory we've never ventured into. We've flown with the kids before. We've never gone into... We've never flown with the kids. We've flown with our first. Oh, yeah. A couple of times. We went to Alaska. Oh, yeah. I forgot. He did fight, but that's a little different. He's nursing. Yeah, he was little. You know. He was... There's not... He napped all the time. Right. Whenever you wanted him to. Yeah. Like that's different. Mm-hmm. Now he's, you know, older. And so anyway. I don't know. You lose about three days. Jet lag is hard for an adult. So then you have to stretch your trip. I know a lot of people do two weeks, but then it's like... We're going to go to Ireland for 47 days. So that you guys can get acclimated to this time. Yeah. And then when we get back, we're going to take four weeks off. From everything. Just so we can have a normal life again.

11:06Yeah. I don't know how people do it. And I think our kids are good travelers, really. They're great. But we don't go too far... Not by... We haven't on purpose made a decision not to. We don't typically go too far outside of her. Right. The farthest we've gone. Other than when the first born was a baby. Mm-hmm. And your work paid for us to go to Alaska. Yeah. We've just gone to Florida. I don't really want to go to Florida again. Yeah. Well, we go... Sometimes we travel over in the Eastern time, which is an hour ahead of us. And we just treat it. All we do is... We move into Maine. I forgot. That was a big trip. That was crazy. It's still Eastern time. Yeah. It's just one hour. Mm-hmm. But what we do is we just... We don't let the time change. Right. For a while. For a while. Well, we just treat it like we're on our regular time. Yeah. These days, I'm all about quality of her quantity, especially in my closet.

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13:06and 365 day returns. quints.com slash RVC. Maybe we've messed them up by being too. Maybe it's us. Is it, like, I don't know. I don't know. No, I mean, it's, we act out of necessity of, we are just responding to reality. Yeah, it's never, we've never been like, it must be 11 to 12 hours of sleep. It must be. It is holy cow. They don't do well. Why are you up? Right. Because you did not obviously get enough rest. Obviously. Yeah. And then when you do, get them back to that like 11 or whatever hours and they're great. Yeah. I mean, who wouldn't be great on 11 hours of sleep? Well, what are the ages that were like, what is what? They're in the age where they're, they need, you know, quote unquote, need that much sleep. Okay. I don't know what the stages are.

14:06Getting enough sleep. Children are chronically not getting enough sleep. So do you think that's part of it? Is that a lot of these kids that aren't getting enough sleep? Do you feel like garbage all the time? Or they've acclimated to it. And so our kids, maybe they're getting the correct amount of sleep, but we don't really let them deviate from that. So when they do, the changes hit them harder. Maybe. Is that what's going on? Cause I mean, like what, your typical kid, I mean, they're, they got to get up early for school. They don't go to bed super early. Right. I bet nine, nine o'clock. Yeah. I would say that's typical. Nine o'clock for most kids, eight and up. Mm hmm. And then at some point, at some point, it's a 10 or 11. Nine's a disaster over here. Can be. Yeah. Yeah. We've had a couple of times where we go to nine and then they're okay for some inexplicable reason.

15:09A couple of times. But then it has happened once or twice, where we were at some big thing, the big get together or something, and it's like 10, 30. And they haven't gone to bed yet. And it's like, what? And they managed. It wasn't crazy. While we were there. Yeah. Are you talking about the next day? No, the next day they didn't manage. Okay. Yeah. While we're there, they do fine. It's the issue is never at night. Right, right, right. It's the next day. Yeah. Well, you have to sort of walk on eggshells. The next day. Yeah. Yeah. At night, they can stay up until midnight. They'll make it. They'll make it and be fine and happy and whatever. They don't get grouchy then. Yeah. That's the post. Yeah. Post party. Post party. Yeah. The after party. They can't handle it. And so I think a lot of people would say, we'll just go without them.

16:09Go without. Oh. Just go without you. Go on the trip without them. I can't go to a different country without my children. I could not. If I could go to a different planet without my children. You could? For a time. I'd come back. I can. No. I can't. I couldn't ever. What is it about an ocean that makes you just time to get back? It happens. You can't get there. Well, then how far would you drive away? Four hours max. Oh. Okay. Probably. And even then, I'm probably not enjoying myself. And it's not that I'm a worry war or like controlling. It's just, well, I have my kids with me all the time. They're basically appendages. And I just like don't want to be without them. Yeah. I think it's good to get away. Yeah. And we have, we have a, you know, like they go to co-op. I'm not like thinking, not worried about them while they're in their classes, you know,

17:10whatever. They're there. They're only 20 seconds away. Right. Yeah. But. You're being painted. And I don't want this to come across as you're painting yourself as a helicopter mom. No. And you're not a helicopter mom. I'm not. It sounds like it a little bit from the appendages thing and, you know, whatever. But like. No. I mean, like when we go to the park, I lose track of them all the time. Yeah. But. Yeah. I mean, I leave them in the aisle at Walmart for strangers to come and talk to them and leave them away to the front. But we're talking like multiple days. I'm just, I'm really not that interested. I'm not either. I don't. I agree with you. I'm not either. I don't. I agree with you. I don't want to be away from them that long. I agree with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It gets. Yeah. I don't know. Some parents don't care. Some parents are just cool with it. Some parents are just cool with it. They need to be refreshed. And so I think part of it is that we're with our kids all the time.

18:10Okay. And so then to be away from them and to be refreshed. It makes it harder to come back to the reality of parenting in my opinion. Okay. And because I don't feel like I'm just regularly struggling where an hour away does wonders for me. Just like a little break. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. But to be gone so long, the longest we've been gone. And we filmed that water color workshop. We're gone for three days. Right? Where are we really? Three days without the kids? Well, we had to drive there. I think we recorded the audio book. That was the longest. Oh, was that three days? Because we were in Nashville. And then that's about two hours away. And it was about three days. Yeah. So that. Yeah. I think you just, it's so.

19:12It's so different to be living your life without children to not have to cater to them. Yeah. No, it's a harsh. Yeah. Reality coming back to it. I'm not saying I don't love it. I love it. I absolutely love it. But I don't really want to be gone for a long time. It just doesn't, it doesn't refresh me in the same way. I don't know, baby moon for us. But maybe a family vacation. Maybe vacation to Florida. Are you guys going to be annoyed if for those of you that to Florida? That's where everybody in Western Kentucky goes for every spring break, fall break, summer break, just going to Florida. That's what everybody does. It's easy to get to. Where else are you going to go? If you like Michigan, that's true. It's about the same distance and it's fresh water. I don't know if that's a pro. I don't know. It has some waves, too, though. It's a little chilly.

20:12Not like the ocean. It is chilly. In the summer. Yeah, I remember we went there. We got in it, though. Yeah, it's chilly and the beaches are a little more rocky Shelley. I'm sure there are sandy beaches. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Where are you going to go right here in the heartland? Yeah, you go west and it takes you forever to get to anything good. Yeah. I mean, at least Colorado, right? I don't know. Yeah. You go east, you know. You can get to North Carolina and double the time that it takes to get to Florida. Oh. It's less than. Yeah, it's about the same. It depends on where you go. It's not much farther. It's 12 hours. Something like that. I don't know. But, um, yeah. But who's choosing the Atlantic over the Gulf? You, me.

21:12You would? Isn't the Atlantic better than the Gulf? Aren't there better waves? Better waves, maybe. Waves aren't like child-friendly. The Atlantic? Yeah, the waves are crazy. How can you say that about the entire Atlantic coast? It's not very child-friendly. They're just saying compared to the Gulf. Thousands of miles of coastline. Compared to the Gulf. What are you even saying? I think moms know what I'm saying. Gulf side is better. Oh, for tiny kids? Yeah. For little kids. You should try the Pacific Ocean. It's great. We have. But not with kids. Yeah. We should take them out west. That's what we should do. Let's take them out west. Out west. For the west and gone. To our difference. We can. I'm not worried about that. At all. Like that would be fun. Everything else west is so far from each other. They're like, go out west. You should go check out Southern California.

22:14And then while you're at it, why don't you go look at Northern California? Yeah. So that's a difference of like 10 hours or more. I don't, maybe more than that. When we lived in the RV, it took us half a year to just explore from the Grand Canyon over. Half a year. It did. Well, yeah. It's good. It's good. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. We'll probably just stay here. Certainly easier. Yeah. Cheaper. And when we sleep better. We do sleep better. Well, we're lame. We're so lame. We're going to the zoo. Well, if you have any strategies on figuring out how to manage that kind of sleep cycle situation or jet lag, please let us know because we don't have it figured out. And it's probably just our personalities. Probably. It's probably my fault. Maybe we should just chub snacks. I see a lot of parents do that. Just give their kids snacks.

23:14Just give them snacks. Really? And it makes it all better. Kids love snacks. Okay. Yeah. And I always forget snacks. And so then it's like, my kids are just hungry probably. Oh. I've got jerky. What if it's not tiredness at all? It's hanger. What if they're just hangry? I get hangry too. It comes from me. You too. If you have sleep issues and you're lying awake right now, I as well leave a review. Thank you for listening to this week's bonus episode. Sorry, it's a little bit of a rant. I don't know. It is what it is. So, thank you. Have a great weekend. We'll see you next week. Yep. Bye.