Dimitry Toukhcher: How Truth Gets Erased Before Power Takes Over | DSH #1754

0:00If you know what's happening in Europe right now, demographically and politically, there's such a cultural shift that is coming along with a significant cultural decline. And when I say Europe, I'm going to include England into this too, because England is seeing a significant negative ramifications of what the crowd that tends to be pro-Palestine anti-Israel has brought with it into Europe along with the demographic changes in the actual erosion of society as a father. I guess that's kind of the angle in coming from as a civilian as a father, seeing what has been happening in England and in Europe where I live, and understanding what the next wave that will be happening in the US, I think, is very important to discuss. All right, guys, we got to meet you back on the show. Much different topic we're going to discuss today, but thanks for coming back, man. F1 week in Vegas. Thank you for inviting me out last time I was in Vegas. We had some cool interactions. Yeah, we did a lot of stuff off camera. Thanks for introducing me to Hormosi. That was awesome. Yeah, he's cool. You got him a really

1:00cool suit. And I actually heard now that he's been wearing it around the office. It's just shocking because who the heck would have ever expected Hormosi to put a suit on on his own will. Yeah, the suit with some shorts, right? That's his combo. Well, this one had long pants. Oh, okay. Came with the pants. Yeah, and this type says 100 million. Yeah, I love them right. You ready for F1, though? I'm excited. I've never been. Me neither. Yeah, it's going to be exciting. Yeah. I'm sure a lot of your clients go to events like that. Oh, every year. And actually, this is a client thing for us too. Oh, yeah. So I was in Cannes Film Festival. And Monaco was happening. I was supposed to go. And then I had the schedule change. I'm like, I'm not going to go to Monaco. So this will be the first. Nice. I'm still a man. Well, Honda more serious topics now. I know we kind of discuss. We want to talk about Israel and the truth and what's going on. So where's your head out right now with everything? I thought it was really interesting. Like me and you were just sitting in the car. And I think you were giving your ride to the airport or something. And you kind of started. We start talking about stuff. You know, I don't have any personal vest into Israel. Like, so it's an interesting topic to get into because I'm observing it more as a civilian person. I live in Europe. I live in Eastern

2:04Europe where if you know what's happening in Europe right now, demographically and politically, there's such a cultural shift that is coming along with a significant cultural decline. And when I say Europe, I'm going to include England into this too. Because England is seeing a significant negative ramifications of what the crowd that tends to be pro-Palestine anti-Israel has brought with it into Europe along with the demographic changes and the actual erosion of society as a father. I guess that's kind of the angle I'm coming from is like as a civilian as a father, seeing what has been happening in England and in Europe where I live. And understanding what the next wave that will be happening in the US I think is very important to discuss. And you're seeing it now with Mamdani in New York. And the incredible desolution, the incredible undermining of Western values that that's going to bring. And partly, partly fueled by this

3:08sort of a very leftist crowd which has a set of values which are juxtaposed to that which built the great country of the United States. I'm not American. But I respect and admire what America has stood and represented as an ex-Soviet immigrant to North America myself. It's a crazy time and it's worth discussing. Yeah, it's good to get on it now because Europe's not the same and America is going to be next, right? Well, look what happened in England. So this year in England alone, over 16,000 millionaires have left England. Now, why is that an impact? Now, keep in mind, the leftist crowd is down with billionaires. We don't need millionaires. It's all the socialist message. Understand that the top 1% of taxpayers pay something like 50% of all the taxes. That's how that is. So when you lose your wealthiest people, you're not losing evil capitalists. You're losing people that create payroll tax, that create sales tax, that create income tax, corporate income tax. You need people to create companies and you need

4:09people to run companies that grow in order to maintain the economy and to have people have jobs, okay? The government's not going to create meaningful jobs. The government, like name one entity that has ever been created by any government as a private corporation that's still around today in thriving. And they don't exist. Like I grew up in the Soviet Ukraine and in the Soviet Union, there are no companies from the Soviet Union that are around today. Now, in the States, you have lots of, I can think of a lot of companies in the States right now that are coming to mind that have been around for hundreds of years. You know, Ford, Manulite, these companies are still around because they're built on consumeristic values. When the government gets involved, that doesn't happen because their ultimate goal is not to create value for society. It's the administrative class and government. It's a very populist thing to say, but it's the administrative class with them government, the politicians and the bureaucrats that just suck up the money out of the system. That's why everything a government takes longer and costs much more, okay? So England has lost 16,500 millionaires. They've lost over 270,000 people that have exited. Now, there've been a lot of people

5:10that have entered England. We'll talk about that. But over 275,000 people have left England this year. They've emigrated. They've left. They're not coming back. And who are those people? And on the flip side, who are the people coming in? And when you look at the people coming in and you know, you can look at the demographics of those of those people, something like 80% of them are on social benefits. Well, and it doesn't draw from generations generation, right? Again, you can look at what those demographics are where they come from. But when you have an immigrant class that's 80% on social benefits, whereas your millionaires that create tax revenue for the country are leaving, you're headed towards disaster. And when London had con as mayor who came in on a platform, very similar to Mamdani, like, I don't want to go to London anymore. I don't like going to London anymore. It's dangerous. It's now become the phone theft capital of the world. Now, signs on the streets not take your cell phone out like a third world country. And you can wear a watch or drool. 100%. There's many areas you cannot. And so watching what's been happening and watching how the crowd that is how the crowd that is the socialist leftist crowd,

6:12which is completely using communist propaganda that anybody that's lived in the Soviet Union has been very acclimated to. We've seen that before. And how they've picked up on this message, which is a pro Palestine message, which actually has nothing to do with the land of Palestine, whatsoever, it has to do with dividing the American political class. And we'll talk about that too in order to achieve a completely different goal, which is not just the subversion of Israel, Israel's a proxy for America. It always has been its America's proxy in the Middle East, but the actual subversion of America. And what you're seeing right now with the MAGA and America first people is looking at it from a political perspective like this, like the Democrats in the States have absolutely no path to winning the next election. They don't have a viable candidate, right? You don't think Newsom? Well, so let's talk sort of, Kamala was the last one. She became hugely unpopular, right? Like massively unpopular. Newsom is as corrupt as they come. I mean, if you want to talk about Gavin Newsom, just on a character basis, think about it like this. This is a guy while he was running for Governor of California, had his best friend, this is campaign

7:14manager. So his campaign manager was his best friend and you trust your best friend, I hope. Yeah, so he was banging his best friend's wife during that run to deal. And it's like you want to talk about a character issue of a person you can or shouldn't trust. This is a psychopathic person, right? A person who shut down California during the pandemic while keeping his own wineries open. Interestingly, a person who said he would end homelessness and put billions of dollars into homelessness only to double or triple the problem. Where's that money going? So the Democrats don't have a particularly useful candidate to present a next election. And you've seen this in the Soviet times as well. When you when you can't win, when you can't win with merit, you win with law fair. And so what if I'm running a disinformation campaign or if I'm running a psych, you know, a mass sort of a mass formation psychosis event where I want to undermine my enemy in the states, what am I doing? I'm bifurcating the other side's base. I introduce a topic that splits the Republican vote and their Democratic candidate can then sneak into the next election. And by the

8:15way, do America's adversaries want a Republican government or a Democratic government? Democratic? They've always wanted Democratic government, right? Because the Republicans are are founded on a set of principles that they don't acquiesce on. And there's a really interesting way to to display that. Let me let me explain it like this. So if I let's say let's let's just paint a hypothetical situation, right? Let's say I'm the head of CIA in the 1980s. And in the 1980s, the biggest objective of the US government is anti-communism. This is still cold war times. And so if I want to undermine communism, I want to undermine the tenets of communism. So we have something coming in. Let's say it's the gay pride movement. And we as Americans or Canadians or Western Europeans or whatever we are, we might say, okay, well, I'm I'm pro that. Like, you know what? People can live their own life and they're not bothering us. We don't need to get involved. Like, let people do what they want to do. Perfect. Now if I'm the head of the CIA, I might say, how would I undermine the gay rights movement? I know. I'm going to push it so far that it's going to split the Democratic base. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to take the, you know, your

9:18free to love whoever you love. And I'm going to throw a parade. And I'm going to have guys dancing around with, you know, half naked, whatever in leather straps. And I'm they're going to dance in the streets. And then, you know, people are going to say, well, I'm not into this. Let's forget all about that. So they did that. And nothing happened. So my next step is I'm going to invite the kids to parade. So they did that. And now you have kids watching adult men, you know, throwing around dildos and dancing basically naked. And if I'm trying to undermine that movement as the CIA, I'm thinking, now the left is going to, is going to split. And they're like, nah, they're totally into that. So the next step would be like, well, why don't we just have dudes dressed up as chicks going into classrooms? Like, let's just put trannies in the classrooms and reading stories to the kids. By the way, why? You know, I mean, it's like, what agenda are we pushing? Why not put a person with disability into the classroom and acclimate people to something that, you know, is a little bit more, let's say, a little bit more necessary for society is to include people that don't have a choice in the matter versus those that are pushing some kind of a strange truth killing agenda. So they put trannies in the classroom and you would think, well, now the teachers are going to go against it.

10:20No, the left was like, cool, more. So as the final step, if I wanted to destroy the, let's say, right wing or Republican established, or sorry, if I wanted to destroy the gay rights movement as part of the right wing or Republican establishment, what I would do is I would put men into women's sports. And then we would be watching men crack women's skulls. And we did. And how did the left react? They supported it. They supported it, right? So there's an important lesson here. And the lesson is that you can't bifurcate the left because it gets the, it gets as the generate as it possibly gets because on a personality profile scale, people on the left, they don't have a very strong disgust mechanism. People on the right do. And so you can't actually bifurcate the left. You can go as, as the generate as you possibly want. And there's always going to be a fringe that is completely into it. And they're the loudest, most voiceiferous, and most aggressive people that will push that agenda. So we saw like a dissolution of gender in the United States. All of a sudden, men can compete in women's sports and college levels, men compete in women's beauty pageants and wins and win. Like that's actually insane. And so, but there's a lesson in that is that if you

11:24were trying to bring down the left, you can't do it through bifurcation on the right, it's quite different. You introduce a topic. Maybe it says, well, maybe it's something else and people start to split up. So if you're on the left and you can't win, what do you do? You split the other side. It's called law fair. And it's been the tool, law fair has been the tool of communists since the beginning of communism. Communism is built on law fair. And in order to effectively deploy law fair, you can't use facts. So leftist faculties in university are going to be your human, you know, your human resources faculties, your, you know, your fine arts. They're not math. Because in math, you have facts that are that are you can back up with proofs with evidence and, and with just exact answers. The leftist faculties have no exact answers. They can take any idea twisted into anything at all and call it a paper fine. So what the, what the America's adversaries have been doing quite effectively is running an incredible disinformation campaign in order to undermine facts

12:25and historical historical facts and accurate figures in order to bifurcate the Republican class, let's say in the United States. And that's that's where Israel enters because it's a contentious contentious topic. It's going to divide the right and let leftist candidates sneak in. And what do leftist candidates do? More immigration, more demographic shifts, more degeneracy. They're going to open the borders again. Well, and look at it like this, right? Like one of the most interesting and profoundly stupid arguments against Israel. And by the way, I'm not, I'm not as Raylok. I have no ties to the country. Like for me, it's just like watching it as a citizen as an entrepreneur. And you know, I'll say this, I'm a capitalist, an unapologetic capitalist. I've built a global business. And I will continue to build and I will never stop building. Okay. But what the, what the, it does information campaign said is like, oh, it's some like Jews sitting around like letting all the immigrants into the country. It's the Jews, Israel is trying to like, and think about how stupid this is, right? Like so, Israel's allies have been Western nations since the beginning of time because the Western

13:26nations have supported them. So it's England, it's France, it's Germany, these are the allies, right? And so the argument is Israel wants to change the demographics of the Western countries so much that the people that now are entering these countries are so anti-Israel that the nuclear powers those countries hold when I'll be turned on Israel. Like who the hell on that side would want that? That's an insane argument, right? And you look at, you know, and you look at these countries' demographics shifts, obviously nobody that wants to preserve themselves is driving that demographic shift, but that's the kind of disinformation we're seeing. Yeah, there's a lot of disinformation, man. It's all over social media. They've done phenomenal with it. Yes, you can't deny that. Shout out to today, sponsor Quince. As the weather cools, I'm swapping in the pieces that actually gets the job done, that are warm, durable and built to last. Quince delivers every time with wardrobe staples that'll carry you through the season. They have false staples that you'll actually want to wear like the 100% Mongolian cashmere for just $60. They also got classic fit denim and real leather and wool out of wear that looks sharp and holds up. By partnering directly

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15:31I'm very interested in numbers and I think as an entrepreneur you always want to make decisions like you do when you look at your channel. You always want to make decisions that are based on real-life information not on conjecture. I looked at the numbers and again I was having a debate with a friend of mine about this. We're like let's look at the numbers. Something like 1.2% of communist party members in the Soviet Union were of Jewish background. 1.2%. That's hardly enough to sway the other 98.8%. That's a very tiny, tiny fraction and the key into entering the Soviet party in the USSR was that you have to abolish your own religion. You have to absolve yourself from religious belief because in communism that religion is illegal. So the idea that was like 1% of people were able to sway the entire population into a communist agenda is completely insane but the idea that was created now in the right wing in the bifurcating sort of misinformation is the Jews cost communism. Well if you look at the formation even in the

16:35Israel and in the region which was administered by the great Britain at the time it was the communists that did not side with Israel. The communists sided with while at the time was the Palestinian Arabs. Not the Palestinians because everybody in the Palestine region were the Palestinians in Palestinian Arabs. And so Yasser Arafat who was the founder of the PLO who ended up representing the new identity of Palestinians which is the Palestinian Arabs which are now just the Palestinians. So we've kind of know the terms have changed. He was a creation of the Soviet union. He was trained in Moscow and his entire life biography was falsified. He said he was born in Jerusalem. He was born in Egypt. His daughter today is worth six billion dollars. 100% came from aid. The 10 richest people in Gaza are all Hamas members who are by the way I think six of them are billionaires. I didn't know they had money like that. Well how do you get six billionaires in Gaza? Gaza is the size of Las Vegas. Wow. The billionaires it's all stolen international

17:39funding right? And you know through organizations like the UNWRA by the way which is just stealing money which is like you know all these international help funds that doge started to dismantle are all just creating to spend the wheels to steal money. It's the Gavin Newsom homeless problem and how do you spend billions of dollars to homelessness and you have more homeless people like where did that money go? If you just gave that money to the homeless people you'd have no homeless people right? So bureaucracies and fake companies that are fake governmental companies that are set up in order to steal money and NGOs that take money from government right? So the disinformation campaign is absolutely wild and why does it matter to me? Like I'm not from there. I'm not involved in that anyway personally. Well it's still my tax dollars that are funding things that are eroding the society in which I live. That's a problem. So it is impacting you? It's impacting all of us. When you look at again you look at England where you have an immigrant class that's 80% on welfare. Where in the second and third generation 60% of the people are still on welfare that are just consuming right? So you have more people consuming than you have contributing and all the

18:43contributors are leaving right? And that comes with not only a dissolution of Western institutions it comes with a dissolution of Western values which run those institutions right? So you're seeing a higher preponderance in violence and theft and crime I mean you're seeing that lower results in standardized testing across the spectrum. Like you see Finland which has been number one in the world in standardized tests for students is now dropping ranks and people are like why are we dropping ranks? We kind of know why. It's because of this demographic shift that's been happening which again the crazies on the left which are completely brainwashing the youth are saying oh Israel is funding all the you know corruption of Western values like no. Israel wants Germany as an ally. It wants France as an ally. It wants England as an ally. It wants Canada as an ally. Why would in any way try to shift the demographics in such a way that the nuclear powers that are their allies would shift against them? It's completely nonsensical. Yeah yeah speaking of funding APAC should get a lot of the negative publicity right? So I was having a chat with a friend of mine who's a very high profile lawyer and we we just wanted to look in the numbers again I'm looking at it from

19:44a capitalist perspective let's just look at numbers like I'll give you an example like there's this thing in the red pill community which I think is super funny well they'll say something about like women in general right? And I'll say how this ties together and then and then it'll be like you know women you know don't really date short guys that'll be something they'll say and then some woman will be like well I'm dating a short guy. So you're taking something that's that's factually accurate because you can look at the data and see that women actually select out of dating shorter men on on dating websites and then you're replacing it with an anecdote but my friend you know it's like that that doesn't work like that so the APAC argument is like you know they're powerful blah blah blah so there's a guy named Thomas Sal who was one of the greatest economists of all time and Thomas Sal has three ways to evaluate decisions to to see if you understand it and the first thing is compared to what? So APAC spends three million dollars a year on on lobbying and you might say three million dollars a year what does that mean? Well to put into perspective the American Realtors Association spends 85 million a year on lobbying okay? So by

20:44a factor of about 30X the American Realtors Association is more powerful than than the APAC lobby in the United States. Do they really only spend three million a year? Three million a year. This is verifiable. That was way more for some reason. It's three million a year. It's verifiable. It's out there. I mean again we can say the goal but they they swale a politician so it's three million a year okay? Let's put it more into perspective. Qatar the country of Qatar which is probably America's it's interesting they have this love hate relationship but it's the biggest adversary of Western values today and Qatar is basically a slave country by the way. There's the 5% ruling class and like 95% of the people are all complete foreigners that are they're working for tiny little wages to prop up this government which controls all the oil and keeps it all in their family. I mean it should be like a country that could very easily be on par with Norway but it's not it's that the big whatever. Qatar spent something like a billion dollars just into Harvard's endowment. Wow but yeah I think it's total it's been a billion but in total in total lobbying the numbers are so outrageously so outrageously different look at it this way three million dollars lobbying versus

21:48a billion that's put into Harvard okay what's the difference between them three million and a billion a lot it's about a billion yeah the difference is about a billion right so the three million dollars that spend on lobbying is like so it's again you can say it was three million dollars sure at face value but you have to have some basis of comparison compared to what three million dollars versus eighty five million dollars who's got more power in government so can we say that if Israel spends three million a year a pack spends three million a year in lobbying the US government can we say that with eighty five million a year the American Realtors Association is causing the collapse of society is that not more likely I have thirty times more power and that's just one one small lobby group right eighty five million is even nothing in the face of lobbying I mean the amount of money that weapons manufacturers will spend on lobbying the amount of money that cigarette tobacco companies spend on lobbying the amount of money that even plumbers like plumbing associations unions you know that are representing the most you know basic day-to-day operative tasks in the country are spending significantly more money so my friend then said to me he goes okay well if

22:51they're only spending three million we and by the way he's a lawyer so we were like we're literally checking records yeah okay cool on this information is very public okay my friend goes but what about all those Israeli citizens in u.s congress they would mean he's like well you know they have dual citizenships like cool let's do some research one by one and uh it was a shocking discovery how many congress people in the u.s hold on Israeli dual citizenship how money zero really what zero look at i mean this is public this is funny part because we're hearing propaganda but but nobody checks things right so he goes okay well maybe it's not congress people maybe it's you know maybe it's you know senators okay so then we went one by one and we went through all the U.S. senators how many hold the dual citizenship or have any dual pass citizenship with Israel and the answer will shock you it's zero no way it's zero wow so let think about this okay you're taking a country it's like Israel's a country of course you take a country that is is very small in the scheme of things that has no natural resources Israel doesn't have oil like they don't have like Saudi money or or Katari money they don't have any of that they're like in the shittiest piece of land in that part of the world and by the way going east to west in a country by airplane

23:54is a three-minute flight what it's time it's that small yes Israel's I live in Estonia and uh most people have never heard of Estonia and my friend was like what israel's at least bigger than Estonia so we looked it up Estonia is five times bigger than Estonia and Estonia is one of the smallest countries in Europe and we were talking about a piece of land that's so absurdly small right again it's blown out of proportion because nobody actually looks at him and nobody looks at the numbers we just say things like what my friends did in a short guy it's like no you have to look at the numbers for the debt right so so you look at a tiny little country which has no no like money to export it's like why is the law be so small it's three million dollars like a foreign government's giving a billion dollars to the university right there and then you can look up the numbers it's like because they don't have money to export like yeah they have some wealthy people like all countries do they have some great startup companies like some countries do but there are tiny tiny tiny little piece of land that has got a lot of internal you know political whatever discourse and their own problems they don't have the money like guitar like Saudi Arabia to put out there and to and to buy uh political whatever and so then you get the things like well

24:58if somebody goes on social media they get seven thousand dollars for saying something that's completely fake but what's not fake is that Tucker Carlson is on paper having received money from a guitarian government hmm like that was confirmed of course yeah there's there's complete there's completely transparent uh records on it that are online that people can see wow again everybody's gonna say yeah but it's like I'm not I'm not arguing for a position one or the other I'm simply stating again I have no skin in the games just just basic facts yeah like the erosion of truth is the erosion of objective facts and data if you say that you have this incredible lobby called a pack that's controlling everything I would look at it where does it rank amongst other lobbies and and how does that you know how to because if somebody's spending a hundred million dollars it's a lot different from three million dollars but because money's gonna make moves right so if you have a social media again if somebody's paying somebody seven thousand dollars to say something positive about a country how much are other countries paying the adversaries those other countries having significantly more money significantly more manpower because if you look at it down religious lines there's a tiny little religion versus

26:00the second largest religion in the world I mean again we're talking difference being like I don't know 15 million people versus a billion more than a billion two billion you know what's the difference between 15 million and two billion it's about two billion yeah it's a big on a billion is a thousand millions like a big magnitude word different and so what do you what how can you make an argument that if you have a guy who's six four and a guy that's five six the five six guys taller you can say whatever you want but you can see the numbers and the numbers don't lie the numbers are the facts yeah and it seems like the younger generation is really buying into the pro-Palestine movement right now well the pro-Palestine movement has was really started in the 1940s and between the 40s and 60s because there was no you know there was no idea for an autonomous Palestinian state right if you just look at the the history and nothing by the way I'm not saying it shouldn't happen or should happen I think there should be a Palestinian state nothing wrong with that like you know there's now a formed identity there's a culture there are people that

27:01can have their own identity own that identity I've got Palestinian folks that work in my company in the in the Gulf region and they're great people they're like legitimately good people I've got guys that I've had Israelis in my company great people there's just people like they just want to live their lives yeah but the Palestinian identity you know back when the country was formed did not exist it was what Gaza was Egypt it was annexed by Egypt it was occupied by Egypt and the West Bank was Trans Jordan which was now the country of Jordan and in 1970 well I mean it happened a little before that 68 war but about 1970 both Egypt and Trans Jordan abdicated their let's say ownership over those territories so Trans Jordan renounced everybody's past sports in the West Bank and they became Jordan why was it called Trans Jordan because it was Trans Jordan River from the river right so the Jordanians right they received their country when in 1948 you had two groups of refugees in the Middle East and like significant like groups of refugees you

28:02had the Palestinian Arabs and the Palestinian Jews and the Palestinian Jews did not come there in the 1940s after World War II you know how many Jews came to Palestine after World War II between World War II and 1992 so for the roughly 50 years between after World War II until 1992 how many Jews came to Palestine how many about 130,000 okay it's like nothing yeah it's not not because because most of them were living in the former a lot of them were killed most of them were living in the former Soviet Union the Soviet Union didn't let them out now in 92 about a million came to Israel from the Soviet Union because the Soviet Union collapsed and all the Jews got the hell out got it okay how many of those million stayed in Israel less than 10% really they used it to get basically passports to the U.S. and Canada and they left Australia and they left because it was the state itself was so infantile at the time right a lot of internal problems you have the terrorists stuff going on like they don't want to stay they wanted to use it as a way to get out right okay so so the idea that you know these guys show up after World War II and take Palestine is not a real idea like Jerusalem in the 1860s was already significantly significantly more

29:09it had significantly more Jewish inhabitants than anything else so Tel Aviv is the same thing like we just looked at the numbers right we were just looking at numbers and trying to understand what's happening there were two groups of refugees in two countries were supposedly formed one was Israel one was trans Jordan both formed in 1948 by the way no trans Jordan declared independence 1946 how to trans Jordan declared independence 1946 and who are those people while they were the Arabs living in the region and their leadership is not from that region at all the also family in Saudi Arabia won a revolution in 1923 basically the government took over the country was kingdom of hijaz at the time and the Hashemite family which was the ruling family of the Saudis you know that land for many generations ended up kind of stateless and so the Hashemites were given a state called trans Jordan so the people ruling that country weren't really from there they were just like well you were a royal family will give you this place British made that decision right at the same time Israel was given a state as well so there's these two groups of refugees right the Arabs did not accept that solution they did not want the existence of a Jewish state in that

30:14place as tiny as it was and so war broke out Israel won the war the Arabs called Nagvah the Israelis called the war of independence and unfortunately or fortunately I don't know which side you want to take the only thing that's more cruel than a war is not letting somebody finish a war because then it continues right makes sense yeah a war without a winner it's like you know when you see two fighters beefing in the UFC if there's a controversial ending to the fight they're going to keep beefing right you need a clear winner and Israel has not been allowed to win that war and so you have you still have to this day a group of you know a group of people that remain stateless because their entire state has been weaponized just to destroy their neighbors that's all they want to do interesting story about that I think that people were noting at the exact same time as there was a British mandate that was being split in the Middle East there was a second British mandate that was being split in India because India was also under British administration until 48 and the Indian the Hindus in India wanted to maintain the sovereignty over their entire country and the Muslims in India wanted a state called Pakistan and so the exact same thing happened and

31:17a new state was carved out of India called Pakistan for a group of people that had a different cultural identity than the other people living in that land and yet we don't see a lot of attacks on Pakistan and social media do we never seen one exactly the same situation by the way like there was no there was no Pakistan state it was completely made up but it was made up by people the culture identity that decided to form to form a state within the state of India and that's Pakistan today wow right and and and you know it's funny how another interesting argument I see I'm just looking at data here right it's like oh you know these Jews are all bunch of inbreds and I see this data I think it's the funniest argument because Pakistan has a 63 64 percent rate of consanguous marriage to first cousins crazy over 172 over 172 million Pakistanis today are the products of first cousin marriage 172 million right and again people want to point at one thing and they attack it and yet there's another thing that's exactly the thing they're supposedly against but it's not the thing they're attacking and that's and that's misinformation

32:20in a nutshell yeah yeah I just saw Andrew Wilson debate about the cousin marriage the IQ average IQ is a lot lower when you in bread like that it's very scary it's it's not only it is a lot lower it's also concentrated towards a lower mean and if you actually look at the curves and distributions what you realize is something like 15 percent of those populations are roughly the IQ of a fairly intelligent chip wow so when you have and and so I'm not going to talk about specific examples but you do have that as a big problem in the Middle Eastern region and when you have countries with or regions with very high rates of consanguous marriage what you also have are completely different value systems and how they solve for problems right now imagine if you're living in Las Vegas today right and right next story of California and like 60 percent of California's are inbred and and they're trying to kill you all the time you would you would have a very different life experience but also negotiating with that crowd would be very different running democracy in that crowd would be basically impossible yeah because because people would just fall for for simple tricks and that's just what happens yeah do you see an end in sight or do you see

33:21this dragging on for many years um to be honest with you I'm not sure that I care what I care about is where I live which is I live in the west yeah and what I care about is the values of the west and that we have an opportunity to pursue our liberties and freedoms that we have an opportunity to build wealth and to pursue our goals and our dreams and I see this pro-Palestine movement as a vehicle in order to subvert the west's ambitions to be the greatest in the world and I'll share a story I was in Saudi Arabia some Saudi friends hanging out eating some good food and I asked my friend I was like hey how come I don't see any like we're actually eating food at a Palestinian restaurant Kenufa delicious and I go hey how come I don't see any you know paraphernalia here no flags no scarves and he goes oh you wave one of those in Saudi they kick you out of the country you're in Gaza tomorrow whoa I had an employee I had a worker that worked for us in our Dubai office fantastic a Palestinian family has been living in Dubai 30 years uh his brother was caught making some Palestine statements on Facebook his whole family got deported what his dad had a business everything they've been residents of the UE for over 30 years

34:23him you know siblings mother everybody in a van out of the country shipped out so this is really fascinating right in the middle east like the Saudis the Emirates and by the way what the Emirates have built is incredible like the UE is just like the greatest place on earth hands down right now what what they have built they see the Palestinian cause and that you know I use the word cause quite loosely because it's really just a political bifurcation to you know empower communists all of us there they see it as such a threat to the ambitions and dreams of their states that they ban all of that and yet we in the West allow it wow like people don't know that people don't know that like the Palestinian flag is banned in Saudi Arabia no I do it's banned in the UAE every it's it's banned in Kuwait by the way because they tried to overthrow Kuwait right they don't want them in Syria they don't want them in Lebanon they don't want them in Jordan the Jordanians actually everybody in the West Bank had Jordanian passports until 1980 and in 1980 King Hussein dissolved the parliament said we're taking all the passports away and so the West Bank was just Jordan now so it's Palestine somehow because because all the countries surrounding them

35:26understood that they have a very big problem and that problem is fundamentalism and it actualizes terrorism and so they said we don't want that in our region and they completely banned it got rid of it and so where are all the people that were that were funneling this ideology go they moved to Belgium they moved to France they're strong up in Canada they're coming to the United States they're spending the money here because the Qataris can't can't pay off the Saudis to start to create the sort of narrative because they know that it will destroy the country it goes to um holy crap I did not know all this I've never seen someone take this angle honestly on social media well it's the thing is it's out there but it's drowned out because again you know people like oh the Jews control the social media really then why is it like all social media anti-Jew like that makes no sense right even saw Harvey Weinstein talk about with Candace Owens you know where Candace was like who bought all the movies who owns all the book and he's like the Qataris bought us out and she's like oh really of course of course because the people of the money can buy the things with their money right again everybody's attacking a small country that doesn't have any money to actually conduct any sort of foreign influence but it's so easy to attack them because

36:30they're so few of them and they have so little money to spend on this kind of stuff that there's just not enough voice you know coming back and talking about it you have again a population of two billion that's against 15 million yeah you have unlimited money through oil and Qatar versus what the heck does this relax port like water filtration system just tack right tack and water water water filtration system seriously they make water filtration well because they have no natural source of water there so they convert sea water into drinking water really and they teach other countries to do it oh wow yeah California needs that California has got its own problem they needed that during the fires again so again a really interesting a really interesting perspective on this is just like how effective the disinformation has been in order to actually the the reason behind it has always been the same and so it came from the Soviet unions still being used by Russia today and probably China too but the whole point behind it has just been to destroy the West how do you destroy the West well you can't invade America by force right it's not gonna happen so what you do is you take over its institutions and then you replaces demography and that's exactly what's been happening yeah they took over the universities

37:32right and that's by the way how Soviet Union was formed as well the the people that were on the communist and the the by the way the communist people you know that actually study history it's great books about it the communist when they took the Soviet Union they didn't have people support it was not a people's revolution at all that was completely retroactive history replacement it was a small group of extremely violent violent terrorists like Lenin and his crew are incredibly violent they murdered like without any sort of consideration they just they they took the country by force and then the first thing they do is they start to change the universities and they start putting their people into educational institutions to raise the next generation of loyal followers wow and this is exactly the same play that's been compromising that's been compromising the United States because we've seen the institutions completely turn like there's no reason for universities to support philosophy that's completely adversarial to American values communism is not an American value and yet what are the leftists all want? Mamdani yeah yeah the female Gen Z vote was 94

38:34percent I believe from Mamdani 80 percent of women over 40 crazy yes and by the way this this was already started a long time ago I was saying this 10 years ago this was actually very interesting so women before they have children this is by the way very documented political science type stuff women before they have children are overwhelmingly voting left yeah once women have children they start to vote right women become a lot more concerned when they have children and the reason psychological behind it's kind of wild I'd love to know well so I think I think you know without citing a study we can understand that women do have a maternalistic instinct that men don't have yeah because women raise children right men operate in a different domain from women primarily we have violence as a way to resolve conflict between ourselves right and the way to prove that we have violence as a way to resolve conflict between ourselves is when women our friends they say things like your hair looks great today when men are friends we're busing each other's balls yeah why are we busing each other's balls because we're testing to see if it's safe and it's a nonviolent environment so I'll say Sean you piece of crap you're like a few mother you know that's how we're gonna connect that's what we bond but the reason we do it is we're is we're pushing our

39:36boundaries out to show that hey it's safe here because we're not gonna fight does that make sense that's why men bond on insulting each other and so we have these completely different domains so war is the domain of men and so when when uh look at it you know go and let's say 50,000 years of of human development as adversaries invade your let's say town or village what do they do with all the men and the boys okay awesome they're done the women stay on his concubines okay that's literally been the booty and the spoils of war as you take your enemies women right and this is undebatable historically right so the women even though they have a horrendous outcome for themselves they don't have the same biological risk the biological risk for men is that your bloodline stops forever because you and your kids are dead your boys are killed right but for the women their bloodline continues they just they reproduce with the winners and you actually see this like on a not war scale in the hypergamous nature like women waited the finish line and bang the winners right so in war women don't have the same kind of a risk as men have I'm not saying the outcome is optimal at all but that's the it's a different risk so the next phase of that what

40:37happens when women have sons well now they're they're at risk so now when women have sons they start to become a lot more politically conservative because they want their sons to survive wow now their skin is in the game right so it's a biological correct so if I was to destroy a democratic nation the first thing I would do is I would encourage all the women not to get married and by the way what are we seeing in trends of that in the last 30 years feminism yeah exactly women aren't getting feminism is is completely completely conflated with communism completely right of course because you know there's obviously some advantages let's say you know I have daughters too it's great it's fantastic there's some political you know and life advantages to live in a western world however when women trade their pursuit of family for pursuit of a career and they delay getting having children they also stay considerably more economically left which sorry politically left right which is also why one of the most successful industries in the last 30 years has been the advent of pet shops and pet food and pet care and pet jewelry and pet clothing because that impetus the biological impetus for maternalistic instinct doesn't go away it just turns from a very

41:38specific you know here's my kids and I need them to survive to a general welfare of everyone in society and animals and everything else wow so the first step to destroy a democratic society if you want to if you want to you know bring in this sort of an ideology is just to get the women to stop having kids so there's a long game being played here it communism's always been a multi-generational game 100 percent because commies are not good fighters right right they're not operating the domain of violence they're operating in the world in the world of law fair and subversion right and so what how do you how do you take over university you don't go there with guns and you know machetes you you put your own people in there over time you you you start to condition you're subverting yeah and this is again the whole situation online with the Palestinians movement is that a lot of the information you see is not designed to educate is designed to subvert one great example of that is the famous word genocide which you know and I would ask this interesting question right like do words have specific meanings or not they have definitions I guess they should well let me ask you this is there a difference between a man and a woman yeah is there a biological difference yeah

42:39so you're gonna lose a few followers by saying that because there's a legitimate class of people that are weaponizing this and those idiots to believe that the women and men are biologically the same and therefore one can be the other which is factually untrue but keep in mind we just felt like a decade in the states right debating this idea of a man and woman the same thing is that why do we need that debate the first thing you learn when you're like a child is that there's boys and girls yeah we know that fact and the story okay fine so we know that words have meanings being a man is different being a woman now we're putting gender pronouns into stuff why would be because I can choose my pronoun but you're a man or you're a woman again all you're doing is you're starting to subvert truth and erode it from its roots and foundations right so if words have meaning the next question I would ask is okay like do we punish people for conducting crime yeah okay are the punishment different based on the crime being conducted yeah okay so murder and theft would have a different punishment okay is murder different from assault yeah okay so so we have a word for assault and we have a word for murder and they mean different things is genocide and war the same thing no they should be different right there should be a way if

43:41we're going to be accusing somebody of conducting some kind of a misdeed there should be a way for us to differentiate between the meaning of words right okay innocent and guilty are not the same thing man and woman are not the same thing they're just different things okay so if there's a word a word called genocide then that word must represent something so what should that word represent and it should be a very well-defined word because then you should understand what's happening like did a theft take place or did a murder take place that's a great question right right did you have dinner or did you have an animal fall on your head these are these are completely different things right you need to have definitions of words and meanings to those words so if we were to say there's such a thing as war would you agree that war is a real thing yeah okay it exists is genocide a real thing I mean it exists a hundred percent it's real it exists but are they the same no so the way that we would look at argument that argument is like this can you have a war without a genocide yes or no yeah of course you can right we can think of the war of 1812 we can think of you know the American revolution and these are words that did not involve the genocide

44:44can you have a war that's a concurrent with a genocide at the same time concurrent meaning that it's happening as as well as a genocide at the same time yeah of course world war two we had the Janet you know the Holocaust which was a genocide in world war two and we'll talk about how do we measure that and world war one you know Armenians were quite badly genocide under the Ottoman empire right so there was definitely a concurrent genocide war you can also have a genocide without a war right really of course well let's say for example tapping in Nigeria today I mean you're seeing a genus there's no there's no you know Christian army in Nigeria they're just coming in and killing Christians in Nigeria there's a legitimate genocide you can 100% of a genocide without a war the Weger Muslims in China I can make a very strong case are under genocide because there's no war against China but the Weger Muslims they're just not like by the community right and that's you know not by the communist party so we definitely can have a war in a genocide so how do you measure that okay very simple to break this down will you have any casualties in a war will people die in a war yeah by definition if by the way if nobody died was there a war no we

45:44call it something else we call it a cold war we might call something we don't call it a war they're necessarily have to be people dying for there to be a war otherwise what the heck is it right like a social media slurring is not a war but a war has people dying and do combatants do soldiers die in a war yeah okay so we've defined that combatants die in a war now here's the most important question do civilians die in a war yes or no oh that's a good one typically throughout history yes so throughout history we actually have a very good measure of this throughout history the civilian to combat in death ratio in wars 9 to 1 9 civilians die for every soldier in wars throughout history i don't know i'll repeat that 9 civilians die in throughout history the mean war is 9 civilians per combatant right so war has devastating secondary effects these are called externalities one of the externalities of wars that civilians die and it doesn't seem to be particularly preventable like it could be potentially mitigated we'll talk about that but throughout history there've been many many wars okay doesn't seem that civilians can escape the horrors of war okay by the way if you look at drone warfare the civilian casualty

46:49rate is actually higher it's 12 to 1 12 civilians per combatant yeah you think it'd be lower with drones you know but drones typically hit you know targeted like parties and things like weddings and all that kind of stuff yeah and drones are typically designed to conduct very accurate target at strikes and those tend to have people in them that are not combatants right so the so we now know that there is a measure that defines war and the average measure for wars 9 civilians die for every single combatant killed so if you have a ratio of like 100 civilians per one combatant i can make the case that's a genocide that's a very high ratio compared okay we have to compare to what compared to what previous genocide yeah even during the war that before the ceasefire was enacted and whatever form was enacted the reported civilian to combatant ratio in Gaza was one to one wow one to one it's a factor of 9x lower civilian death rate than the historically average number of civilian deaths in a war so the question i would ask is these are

47:55accurate numbers anybody can look them up nobody's hiding this information is just people are not aware of compare compare right well i mean one of the maybe positive silver linings in this and if there is such a thing is that at least people are starting to understand how horrific and an awful war is if you think Gaza's terrible because one civilian is dying for every combatant imagine the average war where nine civilians are dying for every combatant okay it's insane but you can't make the claim that one to one is worse than nine to one yeah and so by that very measurable metric which can be very visibly observed you understand that what they're taking this war genocide and they're bastardizing it in order to remove the meaning of the word itself yeah that's the goal right is to this is to diminish the truth to diminish the definitions just like the man and woman thing it's all part of the same confluent communist agenda is that makes sense no that's you've basically debunked the genocide term because one to one ratio is not a genocide right all right it's it still sucks it's still horrible it's not it's not optimal for anybody right now if you look at the October 7 attack and you had a basically like 1200 civilians killed and like

48:59four combatants like I don't know it was like a single number digit of commands because nobody was prepared and we can talk about why that happened whatever I don't know but the bottom line is that actually meets the definition of genocide quite clearly right not only in by the way genocide also has a factor of intent under international law you can look at the numbers on that the intent of that particular attack was to attack civilian institutions music festival and some and some farms had nothing to do with attacking military installations right on that day 3000 combatants joined by another 3000 or so called civilians army of about 6,000 but let's even say 3000 people entered the country of Israel that's a larger army than what the British used to conquer the falcon islands wow and they were better armed so there was an illegitimate illegitimate military attack on a sovereign state now I can't imagine what would happen if another state had conducted a military attack on the United States specifically targeting civilian institutions with the goal of maximal murder possible and how Americans would react to that and if the death rate

50:04on the other side of that would still be one to one because keep in mind on this this attack on October 7 was a larger attack on a per capita scale than the Pearl Harbor attack that occurred from Japan to the United States and the U.S. replied with two nuclear bombs and what do you think the death ratio was that for civilians risk and I can't even I'm exactly right so so we I'm not saying that like one there's a good thing happening here of course that's not the case the point is that if we're going to talk about uncovering the truth for those that care most people watching this channel will not care they just you know they just want to be they just want to be morally justified in their life and feel like they're good people which is a great way to exploit people to let them feel like they're being good and doing something good all those people won't care but the truth is still the truth yeah and that's the ratio those are the numbers yeah people have been so conditioned in today's social media society right well and that's an interesting to you know again I'm just looking at numbers I've gone I went kind of deep on this I'm not Israeli I've no ties to the country at all for me it's just looking at like the factual stuff and seeing how it's impacting

51:04our society and people are like you know they're calling Israel a legitimate state okay it was formed in 1948 is 1948 new for a state no it's not it's completely like Saudi Arabia 23 Syria 46 Lebanon 46 Iran the current iteration of Iran was formed 1979 Saudi Arabia was just a bunch of you know like disconnected tribes and kingdoms that sort of formulate all together Jordan became the current state of time in 1980 but before that 1946 I mean these are completely normal numbers for countries are formed there's nothing illegitimate about that number unless you're saying every single country everywhere is illegitimate which the far left will absolutely make that argument what Pakistan 47 48 of course the leftist will say that borders are fake we don't need borders because they don't believe in countries and they're not saying this country's illegitimate they want every country to be illegitimate right but in terms of what's normal for a country it's perfectly in line with what's normal for countries thanks for shedding all this man I've honestly never heard a lot of things you said today you really do your research I could tell

52:06you approach it from a historical point of view with numbers with facts it's really cool and it's interesting because people argue with their emotions and that's fine I'm not making a case for what's right and wrong I'm not making a case forever I'm showing exactly the data that's there yeah now of course if I do make a case is that the truth is important because once you don't have truth one it once you don't have exact historical bases with numbers referencing for truth then what you lose is any semblance of well I'll tell you this you lose you do you know why it's such an important thing to attack truth for the left why there's a reason for it's very interesting okay so you're we we can all relate to the story uh you as a kid you do something wrong and then your parents punish you yeah you're like why and then you're like just because I said it's like but dad why no because I said that's how it's gonna be you have an experience with your parents I think we all have right when you remove truth then all you can respond to is authoritative power that's it that's it interesting when you remove when you remove the argument of truth and this has been a very a very common theme amongst communist regimes as

53:06they remove what truth really is and when you remove truth all you respond to is power because what if you don't know like this was a big problem in the Soviet Union is the rules changed all the time and there's a great story about it there's three guys in a Soviet gulag and the first guys go the second guy he goes what are you in the gulag for gulag was like a Soviet prison he goes I set some bad things about Romanov okay and then the second guy goes the first guy why are you here he goes I set some good things about Romanov and they go to the third guy why are you here he goes I'm Romanov that's funny right but the point of the joke was that you never knew what was true or wasn't and so you would only respond to government directives so that you don't end up in the gulag and this is the attack on the gender ideology this is the attack on the historical facts regarding the Middle East it's all an attack on truth as a fundamental source of are being able to base our decisions on anything at all so when you say oh eight pack is this big scary thing it's like well yeah three million dollars compared to a billion who cares but when you have no relative you know no relative measure to compare to you don't actually know what's true right yeah people don't

54:06uh compare you know they'll just see these big numbers and be like what the fuck scary right yeah like an interesting example is you know like for example the left will attack a millionaires what percentage of Americans are millionaires by the way is it eight percent it's 11 percent 11 percent one in ten one in ten that's a lot that's a lot and people are like that's shouldering to me right yeah so again not understanding not having a relative measure 11 percent of Americans are also yacht owners wow that's a fact that's crazy again but I don't know anybody with a yacht okay but that doesn't mean that the statistic is falsified right it's just that is what it is yeah and so a lot of people again will come out the motion and get very angry and blah blah and it's like look I have no skin in the game on that I'm looking from the respective of the west again as an entrepreneur I really really like what's happened in the Gulf region I have property in Dubai I love it there I think it's one of the greatest I think what they've accomplished through a benevolent dictatorship should be the model for every civilization it's just incredible what they've done incredible I really like this will be controversial I've really liked what the Saudis have been doing

55:07I have I've been there a few times I see their vision I understand what they're doing and it's great the way that they're bringing sport into the country is amazing you know it's unifying and it's also creating an economic channel for for future entrepreneurial endeavors it's increasing people's ability to pursue their dreams it's amazing it's great and all of those places ban this crap that's blowing up in the western world and what's going to happen in 30 years possibly we are going to be the new third world in the west holy crap and those guys over there are going to be as they are already starting to they're taking all the best people they're banning all of this BS with the terror they don't allow any terrorists into their places it's safe to be there regardless of what color religion whatever you are and it's not even a topic of discussion you just live your life and do your best and that used to be the American dream used to be now I can't even pump my gas at night yes is that bad yeah it's not about well to meet you anything else you want to close off with your man that was really really awesome let me know your thoughts guys in the comments

56:09this was a really important one I think I learned a lot first thanks so thanks for your time man let's have some fun at a phone hey for all the listeners go make some money go make some money please guys I hope you guys are enjoying the show please don't forget to like and subscribe it helps to show a lot with the algorithm thank you