DeVier Posey: Carnell Tate’s a smooth receiver; I don’t see the Browns drafting an Ohio State player at No. 6

0:00to talk Carnell Tate and his big pro day today to talk the many Ohio State players here. We head out to the make it right call Kyle Wright hotline. You can remember this name, one of the great Ohio State wide receivers, DeVier Posey, former OSU wide receiver former NFL wide receiver joining us now, DeVier, welcome to the show. Hey, welcome. Hey, guys. How you doing? Thanks for having me on and appreciate that. Well, we're, we're very happy to have you here. One of the reasons you want to have you is your expertise is a wide receiver. There's been a lot of debate about Carnell Tate from Ohio State here on this very show. When you watch Carnell kind of play the last year or so, does he remind you of anybody from the NFL or even from OSU past? Yeah, I think Carnell smooth style man. He's a route runner first and he's a hands catcher. He doesn't catch balls with his body. And I think, you know, his combine speed really kind of scared a lot of teams.

1:01Obviously it was a topic of conversation for that week. But when you cut on the film, his hand, his catch in the ball with his hands is a point of separation right like the best body catcher of all time to meet with Antonio Brown. And the reason why is because he was still able to catch balls with his body, but still have yards after catch. Carnell Tate doesn't have that problem where he's catching the balls getting into his body. He's catching with his hands and still able to get yak and then on top of that down the field, which makes him a good deep ball threat. He's not going to run past you with Terry McClearn or Paris Campbell speed, but he can go in high coin it because he has huge hands and he's a hands catcher. Yeah, I look at him, yeah, I was going to say I look at him as like in the brands and you guys remember got in brand and Lloyd, oh yeah, all turned great, you know, just great pass catch a great third down threat and then also he can do stuff vertically because he could catch balls with his hands. So he's more like the brand and Lloyd category to me.

2:04I find it fascinating you focused on the hands because he was 98% time in hand size. One drop all of last season like it's a real feature of his game that I feel like when people talk about him, they just they, I guess they highlight it, but we're so focused on some of the other things that it just gets lost. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, that's why I was here and literally you're paid catch for a ball. Yeah. Yeah, right? You know, I don't really, I mean, I definitely I want you fast, I want you serviceable, but four or five is his great game speed. If he can play at four or five in the fourth quarter with his hands, I'll take him every day over a four or three guy, that's only four or three in the first half. So it's interesting. I think a mecca, a book, a year ago, maybe got knocked a little bit from this as well. Certainly guys that played across from Marvin Harrison, Jr. kind of got this knock as well. It's kind of repeated that it's hard to really tell how great Carnell can be because you got Jeremiah Smith playing across from him.

3:06How does that? Like when you're watching wide receivers, does that complicate kind of your assessment of them because you got this other guy that is very clearly, you know, maybe the outside of Marvin Harrison, the best wide receiver prospect in the last decade. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously a lot of a lot of the offense goes through Jeremiah and then one would say, hey, well, Carnell was open because they were doubling Jeremiah. No, that's not the case. I mean, you go back to that Wisconsin play that was double coverage. It was a great ball by Jill Ann, but just going able to high point that for that touchdown up in Madison. That play in my mind gives me all of the confidence that this guy isn't a decoy type of wide receiver. He's not, you know, I mean, a number two. Let's see what the full sample set with a full sermon size, just like with a mecca, what he can do. And I was so impressed with the mecca the first half of the season and then also just being able to see him with spotlight on him and not in the shadow of Marvin Harrison. I think the same goes for Carnell, right, like, like how well he'll do not be in the shadow

4:09of a mini mega tron. I think he'll shine bright. All right, let me ask you this then with just Ohio State players, Browns, obviously picking at six overall in this draft, how many Ohio State players would you take at six overall if they're available? We'll just put everyone on the board and then you can tell me which ones are your favorites. Man, I just don't see the Browns taking Ohio State player at six, just because of the season that Switzer had and linebacker and putting that money there, you know, if our Vell is maybe sitting there as an edge rusher, I can see maybe our Vell, but, you know, Kaden McDonald, I don't know if he goes that high, you know, at the D line position, three tech makin' and then also some style that just can't see them takin' a mic, you know, right there at that spot. So for the Browns, if I would say with Ohio State player, I would probably go with maybe a potential edge rusher at our Vell reset number six would probably be, if I was put in

5:10a parlay in for top 10, I would have some style there to clean them. All right, Devere, this has been a talking point for Cleveland as long as Andrew Barry spend the GM here because they just, they've not sent a lot of their heavy hitters such as Jimmy Haslum, Andrew Barry, previously Kevin Stofansky, now Todd Munkin to Ohio State's pro day. I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world and yet it's Ohio State, they're basically in your backyard here. What should we read into Andrew Barry and Todd Munkin not being at the Ohio State pro day and not consistently going to, you know, best football program in America, multiple years in a row. Yeah, I don't know, man, I remember since I came out, you know, Mike Tonlin and Stillers always be in there, they made it a point to be there at Ohio State pro days and I feel like the Stillers over the last 12, 10 years have been able to give value from Ohio State even in the later rounds and so they've done their homework and they came in town.

6:13I don't read really too much into, you know, the GMs and who shows up, I'm more like a rule of two guys, you know what I'm saying and rule of two just like with any house, each president gets two GMs, each GM gets two head coaches, each head coach gets two quarterbacks whether it's drafted or won in the, in pre-agency. And so I really feel like GMs kind of move off of like, hey, like my job's on the line, my necessity, I got to have this position for like my rule of two or I got to be here and I just don't think this is like one of those years to where a GM possibly should be there. I don't think we're going to, you know, join in saying it's not coming out this year, you know, a top 10 pick for car nose kind of out of, you know, kind of out of my, you know, the universe and then also, you know, sunny and catering McDonald's, those guys, I mean, you saw what you needed to see at the combine from those guys. So I don't really think a trip really was worn it for the Browns, I really, really

7:17read too much into it just because it's not one of those years where, you know, they're drafting a quarterback and they actually need to be there and physically see it. So they've done their homework. I'm pretty sure on these guys and that's part about this group of prospects. Man, like pretty good, like car now never been in trouble, Caleb Downe, like you want that guy in locker room, you know, R. Vell Reese is just a head down race by my ring, you know, okay, to me, my head down worked hard, you know, still beyond a lot of people who ain't got his job done as a team leader, I just think, you know, a lot of that coming in time is doing a research and trying to figure out, hey, let me talk to the last person I've seen the facilities, how does this guy treat this guy? And probably already got their homework done. So I really want to read too much into it. I think Andrew Barry isn't doing a job as far as scouting out my state players. I just don't see my house state player landing at six, but I could be totally wrong. Do you have any other favorite wide receivers that we're talking about within the drafts,

8:18like McCoy Lemmon, Jordan Tyson, maybe Omar Cooper Jr., who want to title it in Deanna, obviously, Denzel Boston, any of these other guys that maybe just kind of flashed for you and stuck out? Yeah, yeah, obviously, Jordan Tyson is, isn't that Ted or Macmillan, Ted or Macmillan category for me. I just think, you know, packed, you know, packed in those, those West Southern type of wide receiver has done well in the league, right? You go all the way back to Brandon Ayuk and Ted or Macmillan and he guides and it's coming from Elin and just his relationship with Levitt. I really like Tyson. I think a lot of people are wrong about McCoy Lemmon. He's in that Heinz Ward, Amaro St. Brown category for me. He is just a playmaker. He's under six foot, but those Steve Smith kind of guys, you know, he want to believe in the cuff for a reason, I'll do respect Jeremiah, but he want to believe in the cuff for a reason. I don't really care how you interview a guy can play.

9:21And then Denzel Boston, just square shoulders, square routes, great high points, super strong. And I think he's had production on some corners in his years draft in one on one settings and then also even when he went against Travis Hunter, you know, his guy can just get open and make play. So I do like those three guys outside of Cornell, I mean, obviously, Omar Cooper, man, just the year he's had. Wow. He's going to surprise some people and he could slip. He could slip in the first round. I wouldn't be surprised. Devere Posey, former Ohio Statewide receiver on the make a right call, Kyle Wright hotline. I'm interested in kind of your take on Jeremiah Smith. And you know, I feel like next year's being billed is this all time year with maybe, you know, people have said there's eight guys, it could be first round quarterbacks next year. And I come back and does that mean that we could see Jeremiah Smith not go in the top five? What is your read on Jeremiah as a prospect and whether you think it'll be a top three

10:25top five pick next year? Yeah. I mean, I, you know, Jeremiah woke up, you know, in the beginning of August and said, Hey, you know, I'm going to do what Jamar chase did last year and sit down and jamar chase is lucky because that was COVID until he had to sit down and he really didn't want to come back, you know, in 2021 and he, and he sat out and then he still went where he went to drive. Jeremiah has put enough film on tape to be a top 10 pick, but that's not who he is. He loves to play football and he loves to compete. I mean, you just go watch this guy practice. I mean, I don't know if you guys heard the stories about Randy Moss and stuff he did in practice. It was great. You know, stuff that we see on game film, but this do practice so hard. So I know he loves football. And he wants to get better and you look at where Marvin Harrison was, his last year Marvin Harrison, Jr., he's able to line up at number three in the slot, run jerk routes on Mike Lombackers, run, you know, post stems and post corners from one and two.

11:28And in the beginning of the drive, he could be at X short side in the boundary. For Jeremiah to be able to be displaced and moved around and just put in matchups to where what the NFL only does with the number one receiver saw with JSM, JSM on up at three might be at four, but they're looking for matchups and exploiting matchups and weaknesses in the defense. I think that's the last step for Jeremiah. I'm not saying that, you know, he isn't already great, but the last step is being able to be placed at any point in the offense to get that mismatch. And I just believe that's what we'll see this year. We'll see him take that leap and know on the playbook and him and Joanne having that chemistry. And so there is a little room for improvement as good as he is, national champion, all American, but in the cough, finally, you know, two years in a row. You say, how can this guy get better in this right there? And he knows that, and he's working on that in Ryan Day and Arthur Smith will make sure that going into the NFL, you know, he'll have that trait to a game being able to

12:31a lot be lined up and exploit one on one matchups. So I'm looking forward to seeing that this year and just being him being an older player and where, you know, he was physically better than a lot of guys as a freshman. But when that mind and that physicality matchup, you know, that's when you start really, you know, football starts to become even easier for him than it already is. Do you agree with the sentiment that Julian Sain is a higher rated better NFL prospect as of right now than even archmaning and Dante Morris? Yeah, I do. I really do. I think we're really lucky to have a Julian Sain just because I think he's in the Savon category. He's a natural thrower, not physically, you know, crazy on the eyes. You know, you know, he'll pass the height test. He's taller than you think he is. He's about six, two, six, three. And but the throwing motion guys, I went to the Minnesota game and I was sitting in the clothes then on the shoe.

13:32And Carnell had a early deep ball and I'm talking, it was downstairs and then came out. The ball just came out. I saw the ball first and I was like, where is he going? Oh my God. And the car never takes his runs under it and it sounded like butter. It was just so soft. And it's like, wow, that time and that accuracy and this ball placed me as a young guy. He doesn't even really enter, you know, beast mode yet, like, he doesn't even celebrate, you know. So he's not even at that comfortable place yet. I would take Julian San every day over those guys, right? He already has the skills and traits to be a pro quarterback and in me, he's a mix of Drew Breeze and Baker Mayfield, little bit just right in that category. So I definitely think he's a great pro prospect. Devere, great staff. We appreciate you and dad will be interesting to see whether any of these great Ohio State prospects are saw down a Columbus today end up with the Browns, but I have one of them

14:33do. We'll be sure to call you back. Well, where's Trending? You guys might take somebody, right, the guys that they're, you guys are going to take somebody. So I'm excited to see and super excited for the Browns this year and I see the results in the quarterback situation for sure. Excellent stuff, buddy. Thank you so much.