Caleb Williams vs George Gervin: Who Deserves the "Iceman" Moniker?

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1:00Stop now. Not a chance. At Capella University, we help you catch what you're chasing. Because you've always had the drive. Now, go earn the degree. Capella University. What can't you do? Visit Capella.edu to learn more. Caleb is trying to trademark all things iceman. And he wants to put it on everything he can possibly put it on shirts, hoodies, water bottles, whatever. And word got back to George Gervin who was the iceman, Greg. Like he did have a poster and there was like dry ice in the air. And he was doing his thing, his famous fingertip roll. For the old hats, we all remember it. For the new hats, George Gervin was one of the greatest scores in NBA history. People called him ice. That was his nickname. And George does not like this. And I know you're upset about. I saw your tweet. You want to pay it forward here. So go ahead. Let's pull up the quote here. We got a couple of things to kind of bring to the table here. But this was George Gervin.

2:00Patrick Finley had an article that came out. Jonathan Jones also from CBS did some reporting on this as well. And he said, George Gervin goes on to say, I've got nothing but respect for Caleb. George Gervin told us sometimes he's already proved greatness and his potential upside is great. Like a nice man. But that name is taken. All I'm saying is young fella. We've already got one ice man. And then I mean, like so for me. My biggest issue with it. And we talked about this last week briefly. But. And I said last week when when Caleb put in, you know, the trademark office to have a few different trademarks. I think we can pull up the different logos and. You know, Steven, if you will, these are the filings to the US patent and trademark office that William submitted for four different trademarks. There's a couple of you were watching here on YouTube.

3:00There's a couple different iterations of the way he'll have ice man in in letters. But then he also has a couple silhouettes of himself throwing a football one with the 18 Williams on the back and one that's just a gray silhouette. Some of the call out to the jump man we joked last week that that could be a point of contention for Jordan, you know, because he's certainly one that doesn't play when it comes to those things. So my and I said last week my, my whole stance was I didn't think Caleb could get the ice man word trademark because there already have been ice man in the past. And maybe he'll get the silhouette. I see that as a more reasonable thing. But what pisses me off about it, now that we're all coming to the folder here, is George saying, there's only one iceman. No, George, you're not the only iceman. So that's where I have an issue with it.

4:00If you want to say Caleb shouldn't trade market, I didn't trade market. You know, Val Kilmer was iceman on top gun. You know, there was an iceman and X-Men. I think I saw Kyle Brandt say that red grain who played for the barrage was once called iceman back in the 20s or whenever the hell he played. The point is, George Gervin isn't the only iceman. Now, you could certainly make the argument that he's obviously known for it. And then the other issue I have with it, and you pull up the final graphic here, Steven, of George Gervin now putting it, putting in a trademark, says this article goes on to say Gervin, while filed a trademark application for iceman and iceman 44, four days after Williams submitted his own, Gervin noted in his paperwork that he first used the iceman moniker for goods and services in 1979, 22 years before Williams was born. The president CEO of Gervin Global Management,

5:00Gerald Burrazano told us sometimes he wrongly believed Gervin already had the trademark, nickname, and the confusion stem from the death of a business associate. This is the other point where I get irritated. You had 40 years to trademark this, 46 years, 47 years, and now four days after Caleb goes to trademark it, now you're like, oh wait, no, actually we're going to trademark it. And the only reason we did it is because one of our business partners died. Please, let's not do the laymass excuse. Now if you want to come out and say, we're not good business people over here, we didn't have this trademark, but now we want to, I'd have accepted that. But if you're going to come out here and say, oh, it was because of a business partner dying that we didn't get this done in the last 47 years, no, you're just trying to step on Caleb Williams toes now. Do I think Caleb should get it? No, as I mentioned before, there's plenty of other icemen. But what George is doing here now

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7:01I'm participating in Arby's for a limited time. All right. Well, a couple of things here. One, if I'm Caleb, I'm calling up George or if I'm having my business people do it. George, what do you want? What's it going to take for you to go away here? What do we got to pay you, Georgie? Is it you go with 10 grand? Because I'm willing to do that. There's got to be a number here. The George will go away. I think that's ultimately what George is looking for here. And there is a problem. Sure, there's a part of George. It's like, that's me. That's what they called me. So when you get old and you get a little bit forgotten, even though George has stayed at least somewhat relevant, there's probably a little bit of a pain attached to the aging process here. And George is 73 years old. So we're a long way away from him being the iceman. For the record, again, old hat here. The Spurs traded George to the Bulls in 1985. 85-86. It was Jordan's second year. He broke his foot. So the Bulls actually relied on Gervin. And I was fortunate to be going to Games Back then.

8:04One of my dad's friends, his wife got sick and we got tickets that year. $18 bucks a seat for second row behind the visitor's bench at Old Chicago Stadium. It was unbelievable. And Gervin was out there. And I remember it. And George always seemed like a nice fellow. And he was a phenomenal player for the Spurs. But my overall thing is like, dude, I know you didn't make the money back then, but you did make a lot of money. And hopefully you took care of your money. And if you didn't take care of your money, then that's kind of on you. And trying to do this after the fact, it's just too late. So, you know. Right. He's going to trademark it for what? Like nobody's buying anything. George Gervin, Iceman related anymore. He's just doing it to be petty. Four days after Caleb files it, their business partners are not jumping in. And like, it's just that part to me rubs me the wrong way.

9:04And then again, don't blame it on your business partner who recently died. Like this is you've had the nickname since 1979. You even mentioned 22 years before Caleb Williams born. Okay, dummies. Then why didn't you trademark it? You know, it's not Caleb's fault that he's a better businessman. Right. Well, it's a different time though too. When people didn't necessarily, well, I mean, listen, a lot of things were trademarked back in 1979. I'm sure. Watch that, watch that movie air on Amazon Prime about Jordan, understanding his and image, image and likeness and the deal. Mom did. Right. But I'm just saying like, I agree with you. It was a different time. But there were four word thinkers back then. And one of them, George was a teammate with. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well, yeah. He blew it flat out. He did. Now, is he entitled to some royalty on the way out to get out of the way? Which is that's what I'm assuming this is about. And. And is he going there too?

10:06You know, I don't know. In these, in these moments, if I'm Caleb Williams that I'm planning on, you know, being a $70 million a year guy. All right, George. I'll, I'll pay it for it by taking care of the old school here. What is, what, what would make you happy? What's the number? That's what I would, if I was in my, I tell my, you know, the people that are taking care of my finances, find out what he wants. And we'll go for that. It's just frustrating because I do think this like, as I mentioned last week when we talked about this briefly, but Caleb once upon a time in college tried to trademark part of the Superman logo and intertwining it. Superman was like, no, that's not happening. Who are you? This is, we're Superman like, you know, and so this is finally something that was felt original to him that came organically here this year. And so now this fight over it just is so frustrating and so silly. And the thing again that I take frustration with it is, I didn't think that he deserved

11:08to thank you, Chuck LaDelle, another iceman, MMA fighter. You know, that's the thing I take issue with. I didn't think Caleb was going to win the trademark, you know, approval for it because of other people being named it. But now that George is coming out going, no, there's only one iceman. No, somebody else, if you're going to tell Caleb, he's, he's not iceman, then somebody needs to tell George the same thing. He's not the only iceman. What about it? This is a stupid conversation. Liberty. Liberty Mutual customizes your car and home insurance to save you money. That's it. That's the ad. No bells and whistles. No, guys, I said no bells and whistles. No. Trambones are fun. Visit LibertyMutual.com and make the switch today. Liberty Liberty Liberty Liberty Liberty. Snoring, gasping during sleep, feeling fatigued? Wake up to Zeppbound, to his appetite. The first and only FDA approved prescription medicine for moderate to severe obstructive

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