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3:05conversation after some urging from our Patreon members and Facebook page followers. We're going to talk about one of the most popular book series of the 90s, perhaps all time, RL Steins, Goosebumps. For those of you who are new to the podcast, I guess we got to explain this, right? The original way we did this was we started doing a movie review every two weeks and then we're like, oh man, people like this, we should do more. But then we're like, oh, it'd be really hard to do a movie every week. So then we came up with the idea of minibites where we did those every other episode. But then we realized we'd probably run out of stuff to talk about if we kept doing that. So then we added more movies and then we're like, oh, I've never seen. And then top five movies. So we're back. Remember when we said that we couldn't do a movie a week? Remember when we said that it was too much work? It's still true. It's still way too much work. The truth behind it hasn't changed. Is this that we decided that we would just put a lot of stress on ourselves?

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8:22So yes, it's just perfect. It's fucking perfect. You guys are fucking hilarious. Keep it up. Ashley just straight up Steve Martin in the voice. So Ashley actually called back a few days later and was like, hey, I'm not sure what I said, but I know I called you. I was super hammered. Sit around. I was gonna say something. I'm glad she did. No, Ashley were so glad to have you. In fact, she was talking about are you afraid of the dark, mini-bite? One of the last ones I think we did. So it's great to have you, Ashley. I hope you're still getting drunk around the fires. It will cold up in the Eagle Lake, Minnesota. That is probably one of the most perfect ways to listen to this maybe. I guess. I mean, that's how I'd want to listen to like my favorite show. It was my favorite show, you know. So thank you. That's really wonderful. Feel free to call us drunk anytime. Yeah, absolutely. That's what we're here for. Fucking awesome. Yeah, that might be the record of fucking on our voicemail. So I was editing that, you know, just cutting down a little bit in my wife from the other

9:25room. It's like, what the fuck are you listening to? Just my fan voice mails, babe. Don't worry about voicemails. Catching up on some emails and some voicemails. We love you, Ashley. Thanks for listening. Thank you. It is time to dive in. So we are talking about goosebumps. At first, I think we should talk about our personal experiences, broad experiences with goosebumps in the series. Yeah. I absolutely love these books. Keep in mind they were written for like third to seventh grade is kind of what the reading level was there. And we'll get in more into the history here, but that was like I was in third grade when they came out. Oh, yeah. You know, so like I still have so many of them at home. In fact, as we get into YouTube, I'll probably bring probably bring one to sit there, but I was really into reading and like the new books would come out and remember what's that nerd? No, I was. I was totally a nerd, but like I remember we'd go to the store and they would sell these on like book on book shelving in like the grocery stores.

10:26Oh, and you'd go, oh shit, there's a new one. I mean, they came out probably like every couple months or whatever. And like I would buy it and go straight home and knock it out before the end of the day. Because like halfway flexing that I was a good reader to my parents and being like look out smart, I am, but also like I was truly intrigued with these books. They were written at an easy to understand level. They would always cliff hanging at the end of a chapter. So you keep going. Right. I got to find out what happens to that. And so I owned like every one of the books up until the horror at Camp Jelly Jam. That was a 1995, which I fell off for. And that point now I'm in like seventh grade and I'm like, I don't read kids books. I read Mark Twain. Was that like a crossover with Candy Land or something? Like we'll talk about the horror at Camp Jelly Jam. We need some Artemis Fowl as up next for you or something. No, but like the cover art was unbelievable. The colors, the colors pop so much. And remember like on the the Goosebumps title, you could feel it.

11:27It was actually. Yes, it stuck out like Braille on the boss. Yeah. And we'll talk more about like the artist and stuff later, but but that they drew you in. You would see the book and the title. He'd be like, oh shit. Like I got to read this. It's so awesome. And like I always felt that there was a way to put yourself into the main character. He wrote it so well that I would always identify with the main character and then be like, cool. This is me in the store. Okay. Okay. Which was, I mean, like what's your experience with the book in the series? Well, going off of that is like the, his characters in the book would always change too. I mean, like obviously that's different stories. It's kind of an anthology kind of series, but there was either someone to relate to as like a main character or there was some sort of like background character like the brother character that you could relate to. There was also, you know, but it was also, it was just so cool to like read every book and have it switch up a main character like, oh, I can relate to that. Kind of aspect to their life.

12:28I'm not a girl, but I can, you know, I really, I'm, I've been bullied or something, you know, something like that. But my experience with those is kind of the same. Me and my brother, I think most of my brother was like into these books because I can't imagine my, at my age being like, yes, I want to read the scary thing, you know? Oh, really? So you were not always scary Sean? Oh, no. I would like six cents. Dude, fuck me up. Yeah. I really turned the table. Yeah. For sure. Literally a Texas chance. I'm asking, air freshener hanging off of my, my, my, great now. Or just thank you. It's, but my, my mom would buy these books from my brother and me really and she would read them to us at night. I remember this vividly and I don't remember like really getting scared. I just remember being like super entertained. So it was, but they were scary. Like a lot of, a lot of shit in there was like really kind of racy for those kids, those age. But yeah, just like, it's, it's all about the cover. It's for me.

13:28It was just, I would look at those things and be just amazed and just wonder like what the hell is in this book? I can't wait to read it. Yeah. And sometimes it wouldn't be like as lavish, you know? And you're like, what the fuck with like, there was a giant an on the cover, like what the fuck like, you know? Or like, there's like skeletons of, of families of skeletons like doing barbecue. Like, they were just, this happened. Yeah. And it's, it all kind of stems from Arles Dine liking the EC comics back in the day. And like, and those, those covers and those stories were always like really like, they were horror, but they were, they were in on it. You know, they weren't trying to scare. They were just trying to like, provocate, provocate, provocate, provocate, you. And that's, and that's really, provocate you. Wow. Like I said, I like to read a lot guys. I'm sweating. Oh God. Um, but yeah, they would always, they would always suck you in. And I would just completely just be enamored with all those covers. And then once we'd read them, we'd just be super entertained.

14:30Oh, yeah. Yeah. What do you remember, Mitch? I didn't read them. I never read them. I never read them. I never read them. So you're not a reader. No. I'm not a reader. I'm not what you would call an intellectual, okay? I'm not a, I'm not a, a reader. No. Uh, but I did exactly what Sean did. Because my brother, my brother and I shared a bedroom. Like we had bunk beds. Like it was quintessential like brothers. Yeah. Same here. And, uh, but and he was a big reader. He read everything. Like, uh, and he loved reading. He had a lot of the goose bumps, goose bumps, goose bumps, goose bumps, uh, goose bumps, pets. I'm sure they had that as much. Goose bumps, pets. Goose bumps, pets. Uh, but I did the same thing. I looked at the covers, man. I was, I was a pictures kid, you know? Uh, that's just, that's just what I did. And like I, I remember very, very, very much remember the mask, the one with the mask, the haunted mask, the haunted mask. I remember that very much and that really creeped me out because it's just this kid holding

15:34up that mask to his head. And so that one really freaked me out. But the one that really like really got me was the hand out of the door with all the plants on it and the plants stay out of the basement, stay out of the basement. Yeah, man. Oh, man, I just, I created way more horrible stories than what would have probably existed in that book. Maybe he would like horror if he actually would have gone through and read those books. Yeah. He very imagination was just way too good. Way too scary. I got way into my own head apparently. It just went down the darkest rabbit holes because of these pictures and decided not to read them. So I got in more into like the, to the, like the TV show as it came out. And like I would bounce between that and are you afraid of the dark? So that's kind of my, my life with goose bumps. Don't worry, man, if we can just make it through this episode, then it's Christmas. Yeah, then it's Christmas. It feels good. Yeah. There's some Christmas horror books that he wrote. I'm sure there's some Christmas horror episodes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's, let's talk a little bit about the history of it.

16:35In fact, it was kind of fun to go back and, and figure some of this out because I was just, I just read the books. I didn't care about the backstory. But I mean, for those that don't know the books or haven't followed in a long time, it's essentially a series of children's horror fiction novels by American author L. R. L. Stein. The stories follow child characters who find themselves in scary situations, usually involving monsters and other supernatural events. So yeah, from, from 1992 to 1997, they made 62 books under the goose bumps umbrella title. The, since the release of the first novel, Welcome to Dead House, that was the first one I specifically remember getting that one. That was July 1992. The series sold over 400 million books worldwide in 32 languages to become the second best-selling book series in history. History. History. After Harry Potter. Harry Potter. Yeah, individual books even made it on bestseller lists, New York Times specifically.

17:37So he even said, Stein characterizes the series as scary books that are also funny. And I've found that interesting because it is true there that he almost played off that nervous laughter. There's a lot of the like, something scary happened, but then it's like, Oh, but we're laughing about something else. It's the same reaction. Yeah. Like comedy, like the reaction of laughing to something that's funny is the same reaction of being frightened by something that's scary. You know, it's, and I think he started out as a comedy writer, like writing, writing comedy stories and stuff. Like he had his own like magazine. And that was like his dream, apparently. It was our all-stine dream. It was like to have a comedy magazine. And so he did that for like 10 years and then they just kind of asked him to do this kind of thing. Yeah, it said that. And so like, after he was doing that in the 80s, he started writing a teenage horror novels. Yeah. And in 89 he started writing the fear street books. Fear street. Have you read those at all? I'm a red one, but there is the new three movie series on Netflix that is fucking excellent. But is that based off of his novels?

18:39It is. Okay, cool. I think they're a little bit more R-rated, right? For Netflix, but and so they're more like 18 year old young adult, I would say. But if you're a young adult, go ahead and fucking watch them. Just go ahead. There's a bunch of sex, a bunch of violence. You're gonna love it. No, but cigarettes. Yeah. Yeah. If you are a fan of that, that kind of stuff, it is fucking excellent. Cool. Really, really good. So after he did fear street, he was approached to do the Goosebumps series, which they're basically saying like, we want them shorter, shorter stories. In fact, about 120 pages on average was a Goosebumps book. So he wanted shorter stories tailored to the younger teens, where these these teenage horror novels were more like 16, 17, 18, 19. He wanted this to be 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. He hadn't been done before. No, not really, right? Yeah. So yeah, all Goosebumps books were written to that level. He was also the co-creator and head writer for Eureka's Castle. Yeah. I remember seeing this. I remember seeing this. I was just like, hey, talk about something really random. Yeah, you would see his name pop up on a window.

19:42You're watching Eureka's Castle. And I hurl Stein, isn't that the scary guy? I remember that very vividly. That's very weird. I'm Eureka's Castle. Elsewhere, have you heard it before me? I'm so scared, I'm scared. I'm so scared, was he, going on a floor pizza, frozen? Hey, guys, the End of the season. You've been creative. ��, up to the price for Puppets is $ Columbin for $ 11. Eureka? Yeah, a little more than $26. A little more than $28. Mr., Mr. revolutionary. Lasp, ability, system, machine art, when he said he would write him in about six days. Wow. And he would come up with the title first, and then write the story. He would walk around and he'd come up with stuff, like, God, what was one that I read? It was very funny, but he's like, he'd just come up with a title like, like Fear of Hamsters or Skr. Carnival of Hamsters and he's just like, how could I make that scary? How could I make that scary?

20:42He was doing what you were doing basically. Yeah. You were looking at the title and the cover art, and he was like, oh my God. He's like, ever kid has a hamster, right? I mean, not really, but he said that, yeah, to go off of you, AJ. Some of his ideas for books came from real life. Stein got the idea for the book The Haunted Mask after his son, Matt, had a Halloween mask that he had trouble getting on. Yeah, yeah. And he was like, whoa. I know that fear though, man. That's claustrophil, I'm claustrophobic person. And I've had that having before. I'm like, oh shit. Oh, like, like your friends trying to get it off you, you can't get off a pair of boots or something like that. They're struggling. Yeah. Oh no, it's stuck on me forever. There was a couple interesting things too that he says, Stein says he doesn't have any death in his stories. And I was thinking about that. I'm like, yeah, you're right. Like, nobody dies. Even though there's scary situations, no one dies. And the children in the novels are never put into situations that would be considered too serious. Where they're like supernatural, maybe,

21:43or there's just like parents won't listen to me. I swear there's a ghost in the house. I just wanted a Pepsi. It's really not that bad. It's the way he writes it. And he attributed the success of the books to their absence of drugs, depravity, and violence. I'm like, okay. Yeah, I mean, for that age, yeah. That's all I want right now. And now he gives it to me. You gotta give it to me, man. You gotta sit down and watch my stories. All I want is boobies and drugs. And man, boobies and drugs. Boobies. He did credit. He remembered reading the popular tales from the crypt comic books when he was young. And credited that as one of his inspirations. But yeah, man, two common themes in the series are children triumfing over evil and children facing horrid or frightening situations and using their own wit and imagination to escape them. It's essentially like you said it. They're all kind of the same story, but they're not. There's a different character with different attributes and put in a different situation. But he also said he doesn't attempt

22:43to incorporate moral lessons into his novels. Just says this is just strictly reading, like have fun. It's a good story. I think he kind of says that shit. Because if you see interviews with him and we're gonna make fun of him throughout this thing, but he's actually a good man. Yeah. But I think that that kind of seeps through anyway, those moral lessons, you know, because maybe he's not even trying to do it. I think subconsciously they kind of come out. Even with the haunted mask is just like a story of a girl like that should just be herself, but she doesn't want to be. And then like she literally buries herself to become something else, you know? It's like, well, I see it. It's kind of all less than their RL. What do you think his real name is? It's Robert. Is it Robert? It's Robert Loj. Robert Loj. Loj? Wait, wait. That on it? No. Ray Leo to style. Ray Leo to style. Ray Leo to style. Ray Leo to style. I don't see an issue with that.

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28:51is as popular as it is without those designs. It wouldn't have got me, man. No, like those scholastic book fair days, you guys remember those in school? Totally. That's where I got all this shit. And my mom would send me off with some cash or whatever the hell the check buck was. Oh, yeah. And so you'd have a limit or whatever. So you get a couple books and then some erasers and stuff. Yeah, cool. But the book fair is coming through. Exactly. And remember when that was fun? Oh, that was bad. I feel like if there's a book fair coming through, like swish or I, I'm like, what the fuck ever? I don't get the fuck. But back then, it's just like, I don't know what it was. It's just like, you're a kid. You can perk your stuff, maybe. And then so, I mean, you're buying these books, but like, how do those not fucking stand out? Yeah. It's his work on those covers is fucking literally probably why they're, it's, I mean, you can't mention Arles Stein without mentioning him probably because it doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah, you go to those book fairs. You buy an Arles Stein book, probably something like a Red Wall series and then you get a Lamborghini poster.

29:51Cool. And that's like what you do. That's what happens. The agent still has. That's, I've still got hanging up right over there. No. Did you guys have book mobiles? I don't think so. Does that even, it's like a trailer that has books in it. Yes. And you take one person at a time gets to go inside of it out at school and do a cool, I'm going to buy this book. Yeah, she's essentially what a book fair is, right? Yeah, it was like those, those buses that came to your school to test your hearing pretty much. You go in one at a time. That's exactly what it is. No, I think it was a thing. I think Sean's right. You put on headphones, be like, and you point on like, right here. And it's like, you got out of class, but it was kind of cool. The book mobile. Let's talk about a story about that. The book mobile, the book mobile, the hearing fried street. Yeah. All right, quick. So the book mobile traps you into an alternate universe. When you walk inside, if you pick up the wrong book, you go into that book.

30:51You go into the book's universe. Yeah, yeah. No. So if you actually pick up like Dracula or something like that, yeah, your toes poorly. Shilling of the night. To yikes. What music, then? Let's talk about a few of the books. I know some of my favorites. I'll name a few of them. Welcome to Camp Nightmare was probably one of my favorites. I think they made a TV series on that one too. You can't mention the titles without mentioning the cover, because that's how I associate it. Okay, so cover of Camp Nightmare is a tent. Yes. Like a creature reaching around opening the tent. That's right. Remember that the creatures, the kid goes to summer camp and like things are weird and summer camp, but he's got a girl that he likes and then something weird happens there and then there's this creature called Spector. And there's always, and the other kids always have the weirdest names like Roger and like Mike, Roger, Roger. I don't think they ever do last names in that. Roger, Roger. The one AJ was talking about stay out of the basement. Yeah.

31:52I do if I remember correctly. It was one of the earlier ones, but yet the dad's like growing plants in the basement. He's basically got a side business for weed and basically out of the basement and then goes down there. Those are the most special flowers. Don't sniff them. Don't. Don't. Is there a skunk down there, dad? It just smells like that son. Don't worry about it. What's all the smoke? I thought you were going trees. Why is it smoking? Are you lighting trees on fire? It helps them. You know, if you see people on the side of the highway burning brush and stuff like that, it's kind of like that. Shut up. Shut up. It's all it is. Shut up, stupid ass kid. Roger, Roger. Roger, Roger. The haunted mask. I think that's, I think that's universally rated as like the best one. I think so. I think most people would agree that that's at least top five of all the ones he wrote. One of my favorite ones was the first one though. The very first one. Yeah. House. Oh, welcome to Dead House. Welcome to Dead House. It's kind of dark. It is. Yeah.

32:53I mean, that kicking off with that one. Oh my god. And that was a creepy cover too. It was just a haunted looking house right there. I think it was purpleish. Yeah. Purpleish blue color. Yes. The one of my other favorites was one night at Horror Land, which I think actually led to a spin off down the road that we'll get to here. But that was when they were driving on like a family vacation and they come across an amusement park in the middle of nowhere. That's right. But like every, all the rides are ultra scary. Like you, like you could die on them kind of a thing. I really, because I like to amusement parks as a kid. You know, I was like six flags. That thing became a whole series on its own that we'll get to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the other one that I remember was the werewolf of Fever's one. Yeah. Doesn't it like a greenish blue color? Yeah. Had a werewolf just hanging out with like a kid clothes on I think it had like, yeah, werewolf then were werewolf then where there it is. And there are some really bad ones too. I was looking up like worst rate because they're for the good ones that he had. There were some fucking longers.

33:54I know. I know you're going to get into stats. Let's hear about it. Well, I actually don't have any stats. There's there was a good one called monster blood. But they kept going and there was a monster blood for which I think is the last one he wrote. I remember monster blood cover was like a set of stairs with like purple blue on it. Right. Yes. Or like green goo or something. It might have been monster blood too. Okay. I'm not sure. It's the last one he wrote as well. It's just like flavors of creepy crawler. Like, freak out your sister. Yeah. Yeah, freak out your sister with monster blood too. It's purple. It's time it's purple. It's time it's green. There's some night crawlers in it. Yeah. Gross. Oh, like yeah, that's kind of it. Well then there was one called the abominable snowman of Pasadena. I remember that cover so much. which like it almost, it almost goes hand in hand like how good the cover is, is almost how good the book is. Yeah. Cause that cover was garbage. Like it was just like a snowman standing next to a bus stop going, RRRRRR! No!

34:55It just looked really stupid. And in fact, like I never read that one but I tried to read why this is on a lot of lists. They're like, the snowman like doesn't show up till the very end of the movie and like goes to California at the very, like on the last page. Like, what is it with this old book? Basically, you feminism for my dad leaving. It's just that's what it is. Basically, the big deal. Basically the Michael Keaton Jack Frost. Which we will cover on this show. Why does he look like George Clooney? That's right, dude. Yeah, that's about it. There were two other ones. One was called chicken chicken. It was just got a lot of it. Stupid looking chicken. And I'll remember, I think this one I did read and I think I put it down halfway. There was called the Barking Ghost. And you're like, oh, cool. So it's a ghost dog or is it just a, okay? The ghost dog, you're just bumming me out. I'll just, just a bummer. I don't want that. We want to watch Marlene me over and over again. Well, there were a couple sad ones that were kind of bumming. There was one called Ghost Beach,

35:56where it ended up being like just like the souls of like two kids who had died on the beach and they're like stuck there. And they're just lonely. And they're trying to make friends and like, geez bro. Good. Robert, yeah, where'd you get that, Robert? Geez. Take it easy. RL, God. Yeah, so is friends calling? Yeah. Arle. It's like a carl. Yeah, because like people call me age. They kind of roll together. Stop, Arle. Arle. Carls pretty short already. That's fine. Saddest, maybe RLs from California could be like C-A-R-R-L. Yeah. Carl. Yeah. Should we stop recording? I think we cracked it. I think we cracked it. Well, that's all I got, Sean. I think you were looking into like what happened after this because they made quite a bit of adaptations once this got super popular, right? That's right. Yeah. Just a few more things on top of your thing. No, move on to your show. All right. You got it. The where he got goosebumps. I don't know. Do you have this stuff, AJ?

36:57Like where he got like at the title of the goosebumps and everything like that? No, I'm just kind of doing his post. His post. Okay, cool. I'm short and sweet. Well, before you, before we get into that, I'd like to add to your segment here a little bit, where it's just like where he got the name for this was like he was watching like a commercial or something like that. And I think it was a commercial or was like some sort of like horror a thon. It was like a goosebumps a thon on Channel 9 or something. You can see an interview with him or whatever he's explaining this. He's like, yeah, I saw the where I came up with the title goosebumps is I was watching Channel 9. They had this horror a thon goosebumps. And I thought that would be a great title. Channel 9. And no one laughed like he just did. And like Channel 9, you get it? And everyone still doesn't laugh like you just did. He's like, it was a goosebumps. Oh God. It's like it's awesome. But that's where that's got to where he got the name. Jesus. But yeah, he was like asked to do this series. He was asked to do like a, he's like,

37:59I don't think I can write horror. I just got off of comedy, you know? But then he said, like, I, that's kind of the same thing. So I'll just give it a shot. And so it was just kind of like a lucky whim that he was successful with these books. But the adaptations coming up with this is just here after the rousing success of the book series on October 27th, 1995, the television series would air for the first time. Where were you guys in 1995? 95 or 97. What did you say, 95? 95. Well, I was in like sixth grade. I think I had just moved up to Iowa at that point. Oh, yeah. So yeah, I look very scary times. Very scary times for me. Who in Iowa would be like, oh my God. But this, the premiere was an hour long special presentation hosted by the crypt keeper himself from Tales from the Crypt. Cool. So they got the guy to do, the guy who does the voice and the puppet to like introduce everything and everything like that.

38:59The first episode entitled The Haunted Mask was known as one of the greatest Halloween specials of all time and earn actress Catherine Long, a Gemini award for best performance by a child actor. Whoa. So I mean, I rewatch this episode. I don't know if you guys remember this episode at all. But I was watching actually like promos for it, like leading up to this night. And just getting right back into the Halloween spirit watching these because like the cartoon network, like their rerun kind of thing would show this. But like they did so much promotion to leading up to this. It was just crazy. It was like from RL Stein, the creator of Goosebumps. Here comes the newest show. And it was an hour long thing. I mean, on Netflix right now, you can watch all these Netflix by the way. On Netflix right now, there are a lot of them are broken up into two parts because it's kind of long. Yeah. But imagine being a kid, like I imagine right now, there was like an hour long presentation of like your favorite book series that's also horror kind of related.

40:01And then like I would probably stay up or like tape it or some shit. But watching all the promo for this whole thing was like really, really cool. And like kind of I mean, I didn't, I don't remember seeing all the promo or anything. And I didn't even watch it on TV. No. There were 74 episodes created. And I think that spans three or four seasons. And that's like, one episode is like part one of something. Yeah. Okay, because yeah, because they only did what like 62 books or something like that. Right. And so I think some of the episodes were shorter. Some of them were, they weren't two parters. But after many, so I mean, that's kind of the show. What do you guys remember about the show? Like what are your favorite episodes? I kind of want to ask, did I remember the intro? Oh, yeah. The intro was, it was actually kind of bad. It was bad. But like it creeped me out though still. The dog with the face, the changes. Yeah. And I was just like, I would, there was, this is one of those things

41:02that there were little parts that I would kind of like, look away like, you kind of like, are you afraid of the dark? Yeah, exactly. Like you don't want to see the creepy clown, like, doll and are you afraid of the dark? This is the same way. And like, but I just remember him walking up. And I feel like, I feel like, I'm a briefcase, right? He's got the briefcase and like, it like walks up on this hill or the house or something like that. And he's like, my brother always be like, that's our old style. That's our old style. And he's got his book in there. And then it opens up and all the papers go fine and stuff. And I remember it very vividly. I don't know, it's really weird. Well, I remember watching, I like going back and watching a couple of episodes in that intro and that dog, it just stays on that dog forever. I'm like, it's just a dog. Oh, wait, he's scared. And then his eyes light up. And he's like, oh, oh. Okay. Okay, let's next. Let's next here. I was like, comparing this, I can't not compare this to our Euphraida Dark. Yeah, exactly. So much better. Oh, good God. I know it's a little, maybe a little bit older, I guess. Well, not really. I don't think so, man.

42:03They're kind of the same era, right? And they're more sophisticated, I guess. But yeah, it's the whole intro is super cool. The music is just so iconic. The weird G flying in, you know, it's super cool. It's so cool. But yeah, 74 episodes, I think it was like maybe two or three years before this was kind of shut down and everything like that. And then there was talks of trying to get a movie up and made for this thing for a long, long time. Even back in like 1997 or 98 or something like that, Tim Burton was actually in talks to get this going. Okay. The issue was they couldn't like pick a book to, you know, they couldn't like get a story that they wanted to, especially because they did, they already did the best ones. They are put them on TV, right? Where you're gonna do it again. And how, like, it's really hard to expand an hour long thing or like a half hour long thing into a feature length

43:04and everything. So they like, there was just like, he was like, I'm gonna move on and do like, I don't know, Batman or something like that. So whatever. Or it's probably like, Edwards is a ranger, so I don't know. It was okay. But it took forever and then it was, after many years of rumors, Debra Forte, the original executive producer of the TV series, finally found a writer and director for the motion picture. Writer Darren Lemke and director Rob Letterman. And so they kind of came up with a story to have like, well, how about we just don't choose a book, one single book and we have just like, R.L. Stein be the main character of the piece. And maybe like, he's writing and like, all of his books come to life or something like that. And it's got to go up to him to defeat it. Jumanji. And so it's basically Jumanji. It's basically Jumanji. And they, I mean, and then you cast Jack Black and it's a phenomenon, you know. Jack Black is a huge fan of these stuff of these books. So he was just like, let's do it. Yeah. And playing R.L. Stein and like,

44:04I don't know if you've seen them. I actually haven't seen them. I haven't seen it. It's really fun. I saw it on Halloween back in 2015 or around Halloween. But the promotion for this too was like crazy. There was, you know, websites made, there was games made that you could play. There was like a website that you could go to where the slappy was like the, he was like a living dummy. Yeah, he was like counting down the days till the movie released and stuff. So that was super cool. And then they released a sequel, which I didn't see actually. But I mean, the first one did so well that they did do a sequel. So let me ask you this. Was it was the movie made for kids? It's PG, I would say. So what what I almost I just had a thought in my head. Like if you're what this podcast does allowed us, we're feeding off nostalgia, right? Like we all read these books as 10 year olds, 12 year olds. And now we're in our 30s. It's like it'd be better if it was a Goosebumps movie

45:06but it's like R rated. Yeah. Because then like we're we're the ones that probably want to see it. Yeah. And the kids are like, what's this Goosebumps thing? Like I don't know, I don't know what Goosebumps is but the adults are like, well, yeah, dude. Like imagine Goosebumps, but it, yeah, it remake or something like that. I don't know that would be great to have it like as like an anthology kind of movie. You know what I mean? Ooh, that would be cool. You know where they do the stories and maybe they have some connections. Yeah. But they do each story and each story is about 25, 30 minutes long. That kind of thing. You get it to get it to an hour or 40. I don't know. You can, they match in like three to four of those stories and you just have some connections along with that. That'd be a lot of it. Give us the gritty Goosebumps. We're talking about like a trick or treat but Goosebumps. There you go. That's what I want. Cream show but Goosebumps. Yeah. Like all hosted by our all Steinems. Actually, no. No, no, actually don't. Because he introduced like almost every episode I think and he's just like, it's, I mean, like the Cripkeeper for Tales from the Crypt. Like that's pretty much what he wanted to do.

46:08But he's just like, hi, I'm Arles Stein. I wrote the Goosebumps books. Enjoy. And so here's this episode and we're going to watch it now. And then he came back after the episode. He's like, wasn't that scary? Tune in next week for the next episode of Goosebumps. It's about as bad as the guy who introduces like the Marcus theaters movies at the end of the time. It's high. Except he's got a lot of energy. He's trying at least. Arles Stein is just, I don't, I'm not sure if they could like inject him with any energy. Like I'm assuming like a director just being like, hey, Robert, like, let's punch this one up. Hey, Arle. This, I, Arle. Let's punch this one up a little bit. Like this is the, this is like one of the most famous ones with Slappy the Doll in it. Let's maybe like get Slappy in there and like help you out. I'll do it myself. Like what do you mean I am up here? Is Night of the Living dummy. I remember writing this one and now you are watching it. How about that? Here in his knowledge.

47:08Crazy that I, when I wrote this, it's now a movie. And I think like every signing that he goes to, it's got to just be like, like the next kid comes up, he's like, hi, I'm Arles Stein. I wrote the goosebumps please. It's like, that's why I'm here, dude. I have a, I have a, I have a, I have a, I have a, I have one on my hand. I want you to sign this please. I know. I know. He's like, oh, that's good. Good, good. Thank you for reading. Hi. I'm Arles Stein. You know those mornings where you're half asleep trying to wrangle a baby through a diaper change before the whole house wakes up? Man, those are rough. I get it and you know who else gets it? Our sponsor today, Little Sleepies. And they actually designed for it. Their clothing has all these thoughtful little details built in to make everyday dressing and diaper changes so much easier, less fumbling, less fussing for both of you. Here's the real kicker, the fabric. It is genuinely the softest thing I've ever touched. I can't stress that enough. It is so soft, the kind where your kid actually wants to get dressed, which if you have a toddler like I do,

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50:13I recognize a lot of faces, but I can't put the name to them. Our boy Ryan Gosling was in Seychee's and Die. That was goosebumps? Yes. Okay. Ryan Gosling was in Seychee's and Die. Seychee's and Die. That's right. You remember that one. Laura Vanderwort was in three episodes. I didn't even write them down. Hayden Khrushenson was in Night of the Living Dummy 3. Adam West was in the Masked Mutant, which by the way is definitely not one that I read. And I think it's pretty low on the list. And then eight, you know who AJ Cook is? She was in final destination. She was Jenny in Out Cold. She was like the. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so she was in Don't Wake Mummy. Oh, really? Yeah, that was like then. These are all these people. It's like they're, oh my gosh. You original roles. I couldn't. I couldn't get them straight because they had to have filmed this in Canada then too. Do you think so? Because there's so many people that you just listed off. That we're in. Are you afraid of the dark as well? Hayden Khrushenson is what? Yeah, I'm like, damn. I'm like, because I only thought Ryan Gosling was in the one. Are you afraid of the dark?

51:14No. Only one I can think of anyway. But damn shit. And I guess they asked him to come back. Ryan Gosling, but at that point, like he had just started getting into film roles. He's like, I don't know that. Oh, I hang out. And spooky kid shows were not his future. It wasn't his part. I'm actually really handsome. So I'm going to go do movies. I got this offer for this movie called The Notebook. I think it's going to be a big catalyst for my career. Yeah. I'm going to go do that. Have you heard about that author, Aral Stein? He's like, I'm Aral Stein. I'm Aral, the best sportsman. OK, Aral. Aral. Aral. Well, AJ, you looked up some stuff. Like what? I mean, for as far as I go is the books, the TV show, the movie, I mean, like what's fucking Aral doing today? I know they made, they continue to make adaptations of these stories, do they? Yeah, they keep making adaptations. He keeps writing. He lives just in New York now with his wife and his dog. And they just live in there like nice, fancy New York apartment. He's like the 15th richest author of all time.

52:19I bet dinner conversations are great. Oh, yeah. It's like, he's just like, what'd you do today? Hi. I'm a host. Dad, I know who you are. He's got all time. It's just something else. Oh, come on. All those kids are like, like, anagrams for his names, whatever, like just WS Stein or like TL Stein. But no, he does. He just, he lives in New York City with his wife and they have their dog. And he's, he's still writing. He's got his studio there. So he was saying that he's got a, he's got a writing studio in his apartment. And basically for inspiration, he has like a few things. One is a mask. Another one is a full-size skeleton. And another one is like a three foot cockroach or something. A weed plant. Yeah. Yeah. And then the weed plant from don't go downstairs. Stay out of the, yeah, you know, don't go downstairs. Stay out of the basement. No, don't go downstairs. I don't know why I just needed to know. I just, I just looked up Aral Stein's dog name.

53:19Like you think it'd be like, okay, wait, wait, wait. Slippy, slappy or like, you know, scary stuff or yeah, he wasn't good at naming kids in the story. So what was it? He can't be named good at naming a dog. There's many, many, many like the mouse. But he is still writing books. Like the mouse. Oh, hi. Hi. I'm Minnie Stein. I mean, he's actually still pretty, pretty active out there. And he's still writing, that dude, he still writes like, they said on average about seven books a year. Still good. That he's still writing books. That he's still putting out stuff and shit. You know, even about it, he's good at it too. Yeah, I mean, you can go visit like his website. It's still updating. He's like actually very active on Twitter, like all that. Like political stuff. Yeah. No, for real. No, I don't. I don't, I don't know about that. He's not like Stephen King in that aspect. But like comparing him to Stephen King literally is just like, he is the children author. Like Stephen King is the author to adults.

54:20Equally successful. He is. And like a lot of people get, like do comparisons between him and Stephen King. And he has, you know, he's, he has a lot of respect for like other writers like Ray Bradbury was like one of his big inspirations when he was a kid, you know. He seems like a really down to his tune. That he was like, yeah, like I love Ray Bradbury, like fiction. That was like the one thing in like English class that I paid attention to when I'm talking about authors. But like, and couldn't get into our all-stine apparently. Maybe those like tailored to me. But we got to talk about two things on Twitter here real quick. Two for our all-stine's Twitter. So first of all, his like bio is my job to terrify kids. There you go. Okay. Hold on there, Aral. Then six days ago he posted this photo of him just sitting there. And it says, and it says, I'm so pleased and honored to announce that I've been named employee of the month at my house. Okay. He does not run that out. So that's a picture of, that's not a selfie.

55:22Somebody took that. One of his like WS took a picture of him. And it was like, he runs his Twitter account because he's like, he's two, he's two out of it. XY Stein came in and it's like, I'm taking a picture of you, okay. It's, yeah. XY Stein. I guess he's, I really like the show Zina. I don't know. He really is apparently just like the most mild-mannered guy. Like when Jack Black went and like talked to him for the movie and stuff, he was like, he was basically just like, yeah, I kind of expected something more along the lines of like Stephen King or Tim Burton or something like this. And he's like, he's really mild-mannered. And to be honest, I think he's just too nice. He's Jack Black considered him just too nice when he met up with him and shadowed him and hung out. That's why like if you watch the movie and he's playing Aral Stein, he's not doing like the high Aral Stein, I wrote the goosebumps books, he's doing like, I'm Aral Stein and I wrote the goosebumps books.

56:22He's doing like an accent. I'm brilliant behind. Yeah, he's doing like a mad scientist kind of thing. So he's like, I have to spice this character up. It's like Jesse Eisenberg and Mark Zuckerberg. It's like, that guy is just, that guy is just stale white bread. How did you inject any humanity into that human? I'm Mark Zuckerberg. And I like sweet baby race. I'm gonna take over your mind. That's right. Oh no, but I mean, really he's such a mild-mannered guy. He just lives his very, very rich like New York lifestyle. Just basically in his apartment with his dog and his wife, his kids are grown up. Like he has love in life, man. Love in life. And I do one, the one interesting thing I kind of found, well, there's a lot of interesting things, but there's this little tidbit that like people are like, well, what's he afraid of? Like does he actually have any fears? And do you know the one thing that that Arles Stein is actually like afraid of? Kids. Not kids.

57:23But that would be great. That's why he writes these books. He's terrified. He's the one. He says that he doesn't like to jump into water. So every time he's around a pool, he has to step very daintyly in and let his kids and like nephews and stuff will like laugh and make fun of him. Then he's like this guy who's been terrorizing kids. And he's like, he has to very, very gingerly get into water. He's like, can it, but Arles Stein just like, oh no. God. Be careful. So he doesn't ever walk next to a pool because somebody can push him in. Right. He will not fall into water. He will not the weirdest fact he hates boiling water. He's just putting it on the stove and filling pots up. You guys decide I can't be around water. I might fall in. Yeah. And that's about it though. Very, very normal guy. Other than he's just very rich. He's a kind of guy.

58:24He walks into the room and he's like the temperature in here is off. I'm going to need it like one and a half degrees, a little bit warmer just so you guys know. I need sparkling water. I need lime, lemon and a dash of cilantro. He probably goes in. They're like, oh, would you like still or sparkling water? And he's like sparkling. But can you pour it out first until it goes flat? I mean, I get it. OK. What do you need? Do you want just still water? No, no, no. It must go through the steps. Locking around his house. Ooh, touch the thermostat. Well, we are making fun of the man, but I am thankful for him. I do. I can definitely look at the Goosebump books as being a catalyst for me to enjoy reading and to like continue down that path. I got a degree in English for God's sakes in college,

59:26because like that was always pretty much good at. It was just reading books and writing stuff. So real thankful for that guy. He did a nice job. There's also a podcast out there called Goosebuds. It's been around for a long time. I found it when I was just kind of searching for Goosebump stuff. They're just they, and they'll pick a book. And the whole episode is about the book. And I'm pretty sure they're still doing it. If they're listening to it, love your show. Pretty nice. If you're a Goosebump fan, go check them out. You can, like Sean said, you can find the TV stuff on Netflix. All the episodes are on there. You can actually go to read all Goosebumps online and free.blogspot.com. And you can read every single Goosebumps book ever made. Arles Dine runs at Heopard. He puts his manuscripts up there. I just want so many hits. Even the website's like just buy it if you can, but here's the book. I don't know. So it's the Wikipedia of Goosebumps. That's basically what it is. Hopefully you can pay for this.

1:00:26I mean, for real while researching this, I want like an artwork of all the covers, like just like as a poster or something like that. They're just so fucking awesome. I feel like that would be the perfect like coffee table book. Oh yeah, I've just a book of all the covers. Just cover through it. It's just covers. There's that of one of the last first to last. Little tidbits here and there. That'd be cool. Like from the artists or something like that. Every page is like, hi, I'm Arles Dine. I wrote this one. This is another one that I wrote. It's like 70 pages in. Good Lord. Well, shit. Have you got anything else you want to talk about on Goosebumps? If you want a little more of this, there's so much to this, like merchandising and everything like that. If you want a little more, just look up Goosebumps history on YouTube. There's a documentary on there that someone just made like from their basement, which is cool. Doesn't mean that it's bad. It's totally informational. And it has like every single commercial you could ever want from like toys to promoting the movies, to promoting like

1:01:29the VHS releases in the movies. It's pretty extensive and it's pretty cool. It's like an hour long. But go check that out. Tight. I get a lot of information on there. My question to you guys is, do you think the guy that did that documentary or these people that have a podcast strictly based on Goosebumps? Do you think they would listen to our conversation today? And be like, fuck those guys? Or would they be like, it was pretty funny? Because I feel like they have to just honor the Lord to save your RL style, like to the highest. And we're kind of like making fun of them a little bit. I would hope that they know the ran on the joke. And we're on it. We like him. I just said something nice about him. Did you hear what I said? He's a great evening. I owe the man my life. Yeah. I think I owe him. Excuse me. He's getting choked out. I think I owe him for getting me into a horror pretty much. Like him and Scooby Doo was literally the basis of why I'm into even being scared whatsoever. So when you have somebody like me who didn't read the books, but became so inspired by just the covers of them,

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