Big Sky Breakdown with JP Flynn talking Bobcat run game, Dahlke vs Dowler 2.0, NIL & Jeff Choate

0:00When I was approached by a group of men, really right out of our national championship appearance, I think they saw. And IEL is an opportunity to continue to allow our program to grow. And it was very well thought out of, at the time, they didn't just come up with this on a whim. I think they studied other institutions across the country at all levels, to be able to do it right, to be able to implement it the right way. Aligned themselves ultimately with Blueprint after talking, I think, with several outside entities on how it should be managed, all our intentions with the Bobcat Collector are in the right place. And that's the most important thing. You know, they're about continuing to promote our program, allowing our guys opportunities to help along with that. I think that's really important. It really, I think, is provided this give and take. You know, our guys are certainly benefiting from it, but then they're giving back at the same time, whether it's individual opportunities with particular businesses or just in general, giving back through the collective to our community.

1:07Well, back for another one. JP Flynn, joining us here on the Big C.I. Breakdown, Colter Duatus. I appreciate all of our five sponsors, including the Bobcat Quarterback Club. Bobcat Quarterback Club has grown leaps and bounds. I remember writing a story about the Bobcat Quarterback Club back in my Boseman Daily Chronicle days, and they were trying to get to 500 members. I think they have about three times that many now, and certainly a cool deal. They've been able to help out my test. They football in a huge way. And I know that those are some of the most dedicated Bobcat fans, many of them, or Bobcat players. So we appreciate the quarterback club for helping support our pursuits here all fall along here at Skyline Sports. What's up, man? Good to see you. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, man. Absolutely. Good to see you too. Glad to be back. Well, we got to start with the hot button. Because last week we pushed the button certainly. And I thought it was interesting the way that some people sort of compartmentalized our conversation about Carter Donke's potential and sort of comparing him to Taco Dallar. And I think a lot of people were thinking, well, we were somehow saying that Taco Dallar wasn't also good, but I think we were both in agreement. Taco Dallar is a very good player.

2:10You were just saying that you coach Carter for a long time, and you think that he's an excellent football player already. I think that's certainly barren out. Taco has a much better body of work at this exact moment because he's been in college for five years. But I took it as that you were just sort of prop it up your guy and telling Bobcat fans about the potential of one of the great young players on their team. So I know this was something that really set the internet on fire, no doubt. So just your thoughts on the reaction to our conversation last week. Yeah, you know, it kind of set send Bobcat nation into a frenzy. You know, it's one of those things I was asked by someone that I deeply respect, not to comment too much further on it. So I will grant those wishes. You know, all that I'll say is that I like you said, it wasn't necessarily at knock on Taco by any means. It was just more of a compliment to Carter and knowing what he's capable of and what he has in his gas tank, the chip he plays with, the edge he has. That was really old it was.

3:11You know, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't I was kind of expecting it to be that we have our 150 viewers, you know, weekly on our podcast. So it was just more, you know, a comment to be made. And like I said, I just all that I'll say is I stand by what I said. I'm not going to comment any further on it. It's not not trying to bring anyone down the prop, you know, blow out someone else's candle to make someone else shine brighter or something like that. You know, it's like that that's and that's probably as far as I'll go into it. Well, I'll say this on my side, I think that right now my test state has a whole bunch of really great receivers. I think that's a really good thing for the vibe. Yes. And I think you're you're sort of seeing it bear out in some of their offensive numbers as well. Because my test state's throwing for over three hundred yards back to back weeks. They're getting a ton of guys involved in the past game. You know, I mean, I think when you put them all together collectively, you know, including Donkey and Dallar, but also Dane Steel and Jordan Reed and Jabez Woods. I mean, it says, good of a receiver group that exists right

4:11now in the FCS. I think, you know, my take on all this is that my test state has just done a really good job of recruiting that position. So what do you make of that dynamic, though? Because my test state was sort of recruiting to a team that has had such a run heavy offense for, you know, more than a decade. Even even back to when you were played, my test state has leaned on the run first and foremost, which makes it a little bit more difficult to recruit high level receivers, but they've been able to do it. And it's sort of influencing now the evolution of what they're doing offensively. So what have you thought of those efforts to get somebody good receivers to come to those? Well, you know, I think at the what the one main key factor in that is getting the quarterback that can play a high level. And what Lamson has done in the ability to distribute the ball effectively is obviously done some great things. You know, like you said, for the past decade, it hasn't necessarily been that, you know, you had Troy. Obviously Troy is Mr. Bach, one of the best to ever do it in the blue and gold, but he wasn't distributing the ball at a high level. And you know,

5:13he wasn't that wasn't his role. It wasn't his gig. Kind of got forced into that position. You know, and so once they really found, you know, the cut in the Tommy came in and obviously, initially, I'm not saying his whole career initially, it was kind of the same thing. You know, Tommy could obviously throw the ball much better than Troy, but initially it was like, hey, you know, we need to run the ball with Tommy. We need to put a defense in conflict by putting numbers, you know, they had all the crazy, you know, on house right, which here, Paul, plays crazy as creative formations and alignments, quadsets, unbalanced here, you know, defenses. We're having a tough time getting aligned to it and they pretty much were just making them shoot. Say, are you guys going to play numbers? You're going to play the QB run game. And so and I think as Tommy progressed, that started to change, right? You know, once Tommy, you know, Tommy was a gave our had the ability to show proof that he could really distribute the ball at a high level and then Lansing comes in and really showed what a high level quarterback can do

6:15for a high powered offense like Montana State. So I think that's probably the key piece at all. No doubt Lansing and his abilities is a huge piece of this. I also think that they've shown the ability to identify guys that maybe slip under the radar when it comes like FPS type of looks because of their size, but then get those guys to be very, very productive players. Certain Jordan reads like the anomaly here as a converted quarterback who's six foot six and, you know, he looks like your traditional like outside receiver type of guy, but you know, docky Parker, baby Taco, or even job as what's all those guys are that days. Danes feel right there. They're all undersized guys, but they're all really, really, really fast. And you know, it's funny. I always I was thinking about those two transfers last year, Ryan King and Chris Long coming in, you know, Chris Long's like blazing fast big 10 guy playing a record. Ryan King, you know, he looks like a statue, you know, he looks like a power five guy all day long. And they come in and probably think, oh, this is going to be a shoe and we're going to easily start.

7:16And then they get you beat out my card or dog or by my day steel and job as well, et cetera, et cetera. So I always laughed, you know, those guys probably didn't probably go there kind of how they thought it was going to be. But I think you can sort of see that they're good at identifying the guys that maybe do slip through the cracks and also been developing those guys. Do you have that date steel? To me, it's the more an example of that going as a guy that was a walk on to now. To me, I mean, he looks like what he could be, you know, one of the best receivers in the entire conference. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think the landscape too of just college football in general has changed the time. You know, we've talked about this in the past that's like, why receiver rooms look way different at the FCS level now than they did 15 years ago. You know, because it's not necessarily, you know, a guy that you recruited, you developed, and then now you having for five years, just not always, you know. And so I think that I think that this room is a very good room for the current state of where FCS football is. It's a really, really talented and honestly, relatively young group, you know, it's not like there's you obviously have talk of who is the oldest of mall, but, you know, you got a lot of young talent coming up the pipeline.

8:26And it should be good for a long time. And so to blessing for the Bobcats that they're going to be, they're going to be kind of stacked up in that room. And I think, you know, the main, the main thing, I get listening to some of these coaches that would come in and recruit a kid like like Carter. They would specifically tell us, you know, he just doesn't fit the mold of what we're looking for right now. Like he goes out and has two years in Montana state. Yeah, we could probably recruit him that, you know, it's just, you know, that's just how the landscape works. And so it's just a totally different, totally different world nowadays. And so it's almost kind of hard to stomach. Sometimes how it works is you're like, I would you not just recruiting now, you know, like what's the difference? You know, and, but you know, there's a lot of kids like that, you know, across the country. And so it, it is what it is. It's almost like they, they're using the lower levels like an insurance policy, right? Like they, they're saying they go to, go to an FCS. And then we'll keep our eye on you. And then if we want to, then we can buy you out of it or whatever, right?

9:30Like we've seen this with some guys that are like Montana high school hoopers too. Like Lincoln Rogers, for example, Gatorade player of the year from sent. All this last year. Nobody gave him any love because they're like, well, we're just going to send you to a D2. You'll play more. And then if you, you know, if you do what we think you can do, we'll bring you on back. And I just, I, I have a hard time stomaching it too, because I agree with you. I'm just like, why don't you just recruit them now and just develop them yourself. But I also can see where like, you know, he does kind of give a buffer to these programs to like have somebody else take the risk first. If it doesn't work out, you wash your hands. If it does work out, maybe you can get them back your way. But I agree it is sort of nauseated. Yeah, it takes the risk out of it all, you know, for them. I mean, I just think back to that 2014 Eastern Washington team and thinking about, you know, Shaq Hill, Forteve, Vernon Adams, Kendrick Born, Cooper Cup, obviously. And I'm just sitting here and I'm like, yet none of those guys would have been on the roster. Not right. You know, like they would have had their, and I think they had two first team conference tackles that year too.

10:33Yeah. I can't, none of those dudes would have been on the team. And so it's just that, you know, it's obviously just one example. I mean, they could have said the same thing about us, you know, Caleb Shrivella is Brad daily. Obviously they wouldn't have been there. You know, like those kind of as to so it's not the Merry Smith, Cody Kirk, you know, the list goes on. But, you know, you just think back and like, wow, that room, what, like you want to talk about a stacked room. I mean, you're talking about, what was it? They were rookies in 2017. So they're nine year vets. I mean, you're talking 18 years between the two of them in the NFLs. Vernon Adams was however many years, you know, he will be 10 years in the CSL. I mean, he's still playing the CFL. Yeah, I mean, he's still making my understand. I mean, yeah, it's just unbelievable. Yeah. I'm Seth Bodner. I've led soldiers in Iraq and through the Philippine jungles as a green beret. But now I'm a dad and I'm worried about their future. Our country's being torn apart by politicians in DC who are there to get rich. They just vote the party line, not what's best for their state.

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12:37Townic Country Foods is in Bozeman, Belgrade, Helena, Livingston, Lewistown, Billings and Indyllis. Their focus is on great food at a great price with a huge selection of organic and natural foods. More information visit TNCFoods.com. Funny, that was an untold story. Dakota Prookap was up there coaching Vernon Adams for once a month. For a brief moment in time. Dakota back in the college ranks, which is pretty cool. But I think about those Easterwashed teams all the time. Because I think that the last bastion of hope is the Montana schools in terms of being able to hang on to guys because there is these ties that might keep them there. You know, like you're right. Like back in the day, Brad Daly probably would have had a whole bunch of offers. But that would have been harder for him to leave because his dad played there, his brother played there. You know, Cody Kirk, same deal. Like his uncle's got a national championship ring. You know, that's the things that keep them there. I wonder if, because I don't think that that exists at Eastern Washington or Portland state. And I think that that's why you've seen those schools struggle way more during this portal era.

13:40Because they do get, like what is the reason to stay at the place that you're at if you get a bigger offer, if you're at a school where you're not playing a part of 22,000 people and you're not, you know, the son or the grandson of somebody that came before you were in all time great in the program. Absolutely, there's a ton of pride in both Montana schools and it just goes back to the the old that it's usually here coming up in my CagGriz week. Well, like you picked one or the other since we're young, you know, there's no pro teams here. There's no nothing. You just care about Montana and Montana state. And so there's a lot of pride to, you know, say that you wore the the blue and gold or the the other colors, you know, there is a there is a there is a lot of that, you know, and so it it means a lot to these kids that that grew up here and watch these these teams since they were, you know, Nihaz. So I do think that has something to do with it. But at the same time, like if you're good enough, there's a dollar amount of sure that will

14:40that will take you away. Well, it's obviously easier now in retrospect to, you know, think about it, but like you would have been a guy that would have got some offers. What would, can you, do you have your thought about that? What, what would 21 year old JP Flynn have done? You know, I never really, I never really like crossed my mind until one day, army called me when he was down in Nevada and gave me a ring about a kid he was recruiting and stayed here to play a line. And he kind of brought that up. He was like, yeah, you would have been a high dollar kid, you know, after your soft North season. And that was about the extent of the amount that I thought about it, you know, it's just one of those things. It, it was kind of funny because really Vernon Adams started it, but Dakota was kind of the next in line really started or transferring up thing, you know, they used to never really be

15:41even heard of. Um, and so I guess the thought crossed my mind, but I mean, at the end of the day, like, I bleed blue and gold, man, like this is, you know, that is, is what it is. I have a ton of pride in that program and a ton of love and respect for it, put in five years of blood, sweat and tears and torn ligaments and surgeries and everything into that place. So I don't, I don't think I'd go back and change anything or wish that I was in, because I, I mean, I actually say this all the time to like, talk to Carolyn and stuff like that. And I'm like, the, the struggles that I went through as a college kid really like made me, man, yeah, you know, like I remember, I, I, this is the example I always tell like kids today. I'm like, I'm being dead serious, like the amount of times that finals week or something would roll around. You didn't have, I mean, we're talking to zero dollars. I mean, maybe pennies in your bank account and what you would go and find in your pantry, like that the one that I remember was

16:44we had a box of the, the Quaker flavored oatmeal, you know, the little oatmeal packets. And we had no milk, no other, we said water and peanut butter. And so for like four days during final week, finals week, I, I, I, nothing, nothing but oatmeal and peanut butter because I had no money. There wasn't a dollar and I'm like, that, that made me, it made me a much better man today with the struggles that you had to learn to go through during those times compared to just being, you know, written a million dollar check to play for them. Man, I think about all the time, like there's this new Instagram account that it's like MTV cribs, but of guys that have big time NIL deals. I can't imagine. And it shows like their houses and stuff, but the comments are so hilarious because the people are like, okay, cool house dude, but like the whole point of college is living with like six of your friends and not having a bot to piss it. You know what I mean? Like

17:46pool and all your money together to go to Costco so you can get a, you know, a pack of chicken in some asparagus or whatever. Like, yeah, these guys are not living out. Get a Costco pizza, 899 dogs. What are we talking about? Exactly. And these guys like living in, you know, 5,000 square foot houses by themselves. Like how lonely is that? Like that just sounds so lame to me. Like the whole point of being that age is to like go through the struggle together. And yeah, I don't know. I think about this all the time because I, I think we have our whole lives to worry about money, but I can both attest to that. Like it is, you have a whole your whole life to be stressed out of how much money you got. So like be a kid for a little while. I just think these guys are missing it. Yeah, I think they are missing the true college experience, but I am going to say, if someone offered me a million dollars, hey, hey, I would have been like a lovely Montana state. Thank you. You know, sorry. It's so funny. I talked to Singleton about this. I guess two years ago. And, you know, Alex Singleton now is wildly successful and has had such a great professional

18:46career, both in the CFL and the NFL, but he, yeah, I was saying, what, what, what, what, what, you have done? And he's like, well, you know, I loved my T.S. State. I loved those. I loved all my boys. That's an okay. One of USC came knocking goes, hey, bro, if USC came knocking and they offered me a bag like, I'm going home. Like I'm going back. That's the school I grew up by whole life wanting to go to. So I'll probably go back home. So, you know, but I do think it's, it's evening out a little bit though too. Like I think that I think guys are understanding. Like if you're Conor Moore, for example, if you can go to Michigan State and be a starter and like you're going to get the money and you're going to play in the big 10, that's, that's good. Like that's a great opportunity. That is better than not, not better, but like that is a good opportunity compared to what my T.S. State has to offer. But I think guys are sort of realizing like going to UTAP or New Mexico or Wyoming or something for, you know, $32,000. Like that's not, that's not worth it. I think guys are leading into the experience, you know? Yeah. Well, did you see the number that what the total

19:47and I out the was? They say it was $2.4 billion. Crazy. Unbelievable. That's just, that's wild, man. I mean, that's unbelievable. Unbelievable, man. What? It wasn't even that long ago, we're like, you could get your school, you know, an NCAA probation for, you know, JP walk it out of the, the stadium and having, you know, go into a booster's tailgate and having a burger and a beer. Like, that could have like got you like an NCAA violation. I know. Yeah, a year, you would have been like, suspended a year. It's crazy, man. It's so crazy how much different it's changed. Okay, so back to, to, to hear it now with my T.S. State, though, one of the big questions right now is certainly the passing game is much improved and that was, that was true last year as well. And there's a lot of guys getting involved in it. Cats through for over 300 yards for the second week in a row. But a lot of people are then wondering, what's up with the run game? They have a rush for, they've

20:49rushed for less than 200 yards, two weeks in a row. I think that's the first time in 13 years, my T.S. State's been held under 200 back to back weeks by an FCS opponent. So, I know you were talking last week about wanting to see maybe different operational things within the run game and some different additions to the run game. What did you see this last week against Butler and are you concerned about that element of my T.S. State's offense? You know, I'm not, you know, at the end of the day, you, when it, there's, there's certain aspects that a defense, you know, has to, has to realize, okay? It's like, all right, well, they got a killer run game and they got this guy outside and they got one more guy outside, okay? We could probably only take away two of those things, right? You know, we're like, you got a three-headed monster, which I really do believe, and Montana State really has like a five-headed monster. You can't take away at all. You know, and the reason why the past game is having so much success, right? Obviously, when I'm since playing at a high level, but it's because of the run game, right? If, if,

21:52if Montana State couldn't run the ball like they do, they wouldn't be able to pass the ball like they do. You know, if teams could sit with a light box and stop the run, they would against Montana State. But that's not an option. So teams are selling out to stop the run. And now we're getting the ball outside and having a lot of success do we get? You know, and so until teams want to take away the past, the run, and you know, if teams want to load the box, just keep throwing the ball. Who cares? Totally. Whatever whatever the defense does. And like I said last week, our, our running backs are too good to not get them more touches. And so if they want to get the running backs touches in like an opportunistic manner, get them out in the space, dump the ball down to them and let them go to work. And they did, you know, they did that last week. You saw Jared White do it. You saw Adam Jones do it. And they do what they do when they have the ball on their hands. You know, so letting get the ball out in space, throw the ball to them out in the flat and have them break attack them go to work. So I thought that it was, you know, I think people are just so used to us just running

22:58the ball it will, you know, just doing like, all right, here we go. Montana State's going to line up in 12 purse. They're just going to, you know, throw four fade balls of game and they're just going to run it down her face. Hopefully they complete two. You know, and that was kind of the name of the game here for a lot of, you know, a lot of years. And it worked. I'm not saying that it didn't. But I still think at the same time that Sterbick is not just going to die by the gun game. You know, if they're, if, you know, in years past, we had to die by the gun game. Sure. I know other choice. And so now it's, he's like, all right, you want to put a guys in the box sweet. We'll zip a bubble out the taco and have, you know, use our numbers, black grass and leverage and go walk into the end zone. Yeah, I thought, I thought vegan made a good point to he was talking about how a lot of the stuff they would used to do with Tommy Malat in the zone read game where they would really press the edge and really make the defense make a decision. And then they just kill them with make it by making the right read. Like they're doing a lot of that with taco now. Like they're doing a lot like with, you're talking

23:59about the bubbles and stuff like that is an extension of the run game, right. Goes on statute a little differently, but that's really all that it is. Yeah, you know, it's just like saying, hey, we're going to read numbers, grass and leverage here and wherever you, you know, whatever you want to take away, we'll just do the opposite. So yeah, in 1959 at streets grocery in Whitefish, Montana's special spice was born alpine touch. It's the taste you grew up with well seasoned through the test of time as the tradition carries from one Montana generation to the next from its humble beginnings to a trusted brand. Here's to the next 60 years alpine touch Montana's special spice since 1959. Join town pumps pump it up rewards plus program and never pay full price for fuel again. Save five cents on every gallon every day at any town pump across Montana. Plus earn and redeem points on your favorite in store items to get free stuff with

25:01our clubs. Stop in and pick up a rewards card. Download the pump it up rewards plus app today. Or visit townpump.com slash rewards to register and start saving. Hey Bobcat fans, Brent V in your head coach. I want you to consider joining the quarterback club if you aren't already and if you are, please consider raising that level. Our place in the national scene right now has so much to do with the continued growth of the quarterback club. I know it was a bold move 25 years ago to see a need and to create the club and without it, hard to say where we would be. I think the weekend, the week out to support we feel is one thing but really with the quarterback club, I feel allows us to do is when we have to make decisions, we don't have to think twice whether that comes down to recruiting, how we develop our players, how we attempt to retain our players, how we do the same thing with our coaches. The support that the quarterback club has given us has allowed us to build this program.

26:04It has allowed us to increase our expectations at the point where we only have one expectation. And I know that's been the goal over these 25 years before the quarterback club is to put Bobcats, football, in the national spotlight and ultimately win that final game. And that's obviously what we aim to do but certainly appreciate anything and everything the quarterback club has done and will continue to do for Bobcat football. The biggest thing I want to do from my position as head football coach is thank you, thank you for all you've done and prioritizing Bobcat football and thank you for all you continue to do in the years to come as we continue to have needs and continue to want the same thing which is ultimately raising that trophy at the end of the year. Thanks a lot to go cats. Well, the other thing, the other factors that I've been mentioned in two that I think that impact your offensive numbers are one, if you're blocking kicks and scoring on special teams which they are,

27:04that's just less possessions that you're going to have. So that's less statistics you're going to get. So I think that's impactful to the overall statistical analysis of this team so far. And I also think the other thing is they're not running lamps in it all so far and I think that that's that's a decision like I think that they're doing that to make sure that it does a really smart decision like why does he need 20 carries, you know, why does he need 10 carries a game against two teams that you're going to you know that you score 105 points against he doesn't. So and I also think they're trying to keep the trend off of Adam Jones a little bit too right like he's he's gotten a normal carry amount but you don't need to give him 20 or 25 carries in these games get him 12 and get him out and keep him fresh. So I think that all those things are maybe impacting the overall numbers. Yeah and I that's this is definitely not like soundly alarms kind of situation at all. And you know I think I do think vegan wants to control the game around the ball in that you know in a big moment but I think you're right we just haven't gotten to a big moment yet. Yeah well and also our

28:06like you were saying they they've run the ball and will so much as like skewed the statistical expectation of people that followed this you know like I looked it up the other day the average college football team rushes for 138 yards of game. People have just gotten used to Montana state rushing for 325 yards of game but like no one actually does that besides the cat. I really can't say the old school cat ball team exactly. We only got a couple of minutes left but I got to ask you about your thoughts on this matchup with Nevada you played the latter part of your career by TSA for Jeff Chote. I think he certainly has a big challenge there in Nevada to try to rebuild that and he's got a big challenge on his hands with the number one team in the FCS coming into town. So what he sort of make of this matchup and maybe how I mean Chote has a win in week 1 so maybe they do take some momentum into this but this is sort of a scary matchup if you are Nevada because you got a you know a juggernaut coming to town that hasn't lost in you know 16 games that's kind of I mean I think my chance it's going to look a lot like a lot of the teams that that is going to face in the mountain west so what do you make of the Chote bowl down there in Reno?

29:08Yeah you know I think I've listened to a lot of the things that Chote said I watched that western Kentucky Nevada game on Saturday night and I think he's right I think people are trying to make this some sort of personal game for him and I think that this is just a game you know he needs that he needs to win you know I'm not saying that he doesn't need to win initially when I saw the first line come out and saw the cats as a 10 and a half point favorite I was a little shocked to be on the road against an FPS school in Mackie Stadium to say that we're a 10 and a half point favorite seems a bit ambitious you know I do think that the cats had the the team to go down there and compete and potentially win a game without a doubt but after watching that Nevada game I think they're there are a lot more physical up front than people are anticipating they have a little bit of a rocky situation we're on a quarterback right now but a totally capable football player at the same time and I think after that western Kentucky game I think the line shifted pretty heavily actually

30:13to Nevada's favorite and so I just I don't I don't know I hope that I don't think they will but I'm just saying I hope that they don't go down there over confident and think that we're just gonna you know blow this team out because if there's one thing I can promise you is Chote will have those points ready to play and they will be a it will be a physical brand of football yeah I'm so interested to see the physical part of the game because I do think that Nevada like my test state almost every time out unless they're playing Oregon or South Dakota State like they they are disappear in the trenches like across the board and I think that won't be the case on Saturday I think that my Nevada looked good to me as well up front so then how does my test state react to when they have a team that can go toe to toe with them in the trenches then how does that alter sort of the way that they execute in a game to me that's sort of the match of the game yeah and I think that's gonna be the the question that needs to be answered I can't sit here and say that I have an answer to that test you know I think that'll shake out on Saturday I guess who last

31:14question for you who is this a bigger game for Brett Viggen or Jeff Chote oh I think like I said people this is this is this is this is view forming right here no I don't I don't think that it's it's I don't I don't have an answer for that right because to me Montana State can go down there and totally has the capabilities of winning this game but I also think if if if they do come out victorious I don't I don't think that that that's not going to be some self-indicates super bowl celebration on the field because they you know because they want when I think it would be the same thing if Nevada one they would just be like oh yeah hey we were supposed to win were the FBS school blah blah blah you know like it's so I don't I don't have an answer for you I think it's a big game for both of both of them are competitive human beings both want to win this game extremely badly I don't really think there's any bad blood between the two at least not that I know of so I think that they both are ultra competitive human beings that have a lot of care in the world

32:15and they both want to win the game real bad so I'm going to say it's equal yeah I think that's that's right and I you know I I guess I shouldn't even phrase it through the lens of the head coaches more like the programs just because I think that this is another opportunity to me for Montana State to sort of affirm where they stay in the Western United States and I think that that is on elevated ground I mean I you know when Brett vegan keeps coming up in the in the conversations for you know this job that job this job that job I think he's well aware that the job he's got is a pretty dang good job and I think that I think that that's going to continue to be true as my test they continues to compete against Mountain West I mean they took Wyoming down in the wire almost beat him in vegans first game they beat New Mexico and now they have a chance to have a competitive game win or lose against the van and I think that that I think it shows people the glimpse of a potential future which is like I think I think when the dust settles you're going to see schools like Nevada and Montana State and Wyoming on a similar level playing field so I

33:16think every step Montana State can take towards affirming that they belong at that level is a good thing for their football player yeah and you know I I do hope that the cats win this game you know I think I think that they have the talent and the ability and the you know the the fronts to get it done that being said I don't you know it's not one that I think that I love I'll just say I wouldn't bet out this game okay that's I guess a good way to phrase it but I do I do think that you're totally right like I think that this is the current situation that vegan has here at MSU I I got I would think that he's not like feeling like he's pressured or like he has to leave to go to because it's like time is running out I don't know you know like I wouldn't I would think that I would think he feels like he's got a pretty good thing going here um he's got a great staff he always seems to find the right guy for the job after you know one guy takes a different one

34:17he's got a great great roster that is you know senior heavy with a great group of leaders up front in a ton of talent at the young level I don't see it you know I don't I wouldn't be hard I wouldn't be in a rush to go take an Oregon State rebuild a uh I'm trying to think uh with the South Dakota State guy and I will state right right you know um I don't know I don't know I mean obviously there's probably a million reasons why you would take it and they all have a dollar sign in front of them um but I mean if you're a competitor and uh and you want to have a legacy and be a winner I would think that this would be the uh a prime place to do it go down and I think you smarted up to know some of the parals that come with you know I mean I always think back to Paul Wolfman Paul Wolf had it rolling at Easter Washington and they took the Washington State job anyone eight conference games at four years and he outfired and he was not a head coach again for like 16 years so yeah it can really derail you if you take the wrong job for sure and I think

35:21vegans smart enough to know that Jimmy Flynn I'll go ahead oh I was just gonna say yeah I think that he he sees that he has a great situation and that's why he's not just jumping at the first opportunity that presents itself yeah for sure and that's a testament to my test day two because I think that this is a my test it's a better job than a lot of the jobs that are maybe at a quote higher level so uh should be fun to watch these guys square off and I think it's gonna be a really good game on Saturday and Reno so I'm looking forward to it JB Flynn here on the big screen break time thanks for doing it man good to see you yeah good to you man