AR-15 Podcast 518 – The Hi Point AR

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1:03My name is Nick Dooley. This is the AR-15 podcast. Tonight we are joined by, of course, Mr. Garthover. How are we doing tonight? And our director of propaganda, Joe. You're muted. Still muted. All right. There we're back. I don't know. I did some updates on my computer and everything is messed up right now. I'm glad to see him on me for once. And also, we have a very special guest today. We have Dave from High Point. What up? How are you guys doing? Great. It is great to have you on. It is a great day. It is an exciting day today. Indeed. We'll get more into that later. But before we start rolling into too much of the other exciting things and get into a lot.

2:05So actually, we'll go around here. I'm just going to do the whole clockwise thing as I see the screen. Dave, you've been doing anything with fun with guns this week. Nothing too terribly fun. Other than just prepping my gear for moons out. I'm heading up tomorrow to West Virginia to shoot that tomorrow night and Saturday night. So yeah, literally just grabbing the gear from I'm running the Invert Bandelier for my ammunition rather than a plate carrier this year because it's going to be pretty decent weather. I'm trying to mess around with. I'm running my nads. I'm running PBS 21s. If you guys familiar with those, they're real low profile prismed nads. And I bought a... I bought somebody's action camera a couple of years ago. But the mount was designed for PBS 14 or PBS 31. And I was like, now I'll finagle it and make it work for the 21s. When I'm realizing the diameter is so different that mount wasn't going to work at all. I didn't have my 3D printer at the time, so I hadn't messed with that. But on top of that, the fact that on the 21s, it's concave.

3:07So I've never been able to get away of rigging it up until now. I'd literally use some gorilla tape to get the thing over in the eye. And the reason I say that too is because I'm running a thermal, running a DNT thermal optic this year. So I'll literally have my right eye twisted up and out of the way. So I taped the camera into that one. So it might be an odd perspective. But I should get some actual night vision footage at an angle, along with an see through my left eye. But the same time that DNT will record, I can figure out how to do between now and tomorrow morning. And also record footage in thermal on that. So hopefully this year, I finally will get some content out of shooting it moons out. But I'll probably screwed up, so we'll see. So moons out, the match that Dave is talking about for anybody who hasn't heard of, is the moons out, goons out, match, which I'm going to say is like, probably the largest night vision match in the country. So I would say so. And so it's set up just like a standard, what I would call standard three day or any major competition,

4:08but it's all shot in the dark. Yeah, no white light. Oh, IR or dial this your thermal. Yeah, it's, it's fun. So it's a little physically, honestly demanding, but like if you, if you can sort of throw a kettlebell, as part of your stage, physically demanding, fine, then it's demanding, but it's a good time. I've had fun with it. Yeah, that's, that's one of the bucket list matches I kind of want to go to, especially since I started to get more and more in night vision. That reason, I will say it's worth going to at least once. If you can get in because this year, it filled up in 60 seconds. Dang it. Yeah, and I think there's 200 plus shooters, I think. Yeah, it's, it's nuts, but worth trying for. Yeah, we were talking about that earlier before we came on the air. And I was saying that, uh, so dirt racer in the rumble comments says, where's this match at? And the matches in West Virginia. Yeah, I'm trying to think what's the range, um, not peacemaker, um, I was saying it's, I remember one, a lot of the other,

5:13like major three guns would do the kind of the same thing where they'd be, it would be like five to 10 minutes or, you know, and they'd be sold out. Right. So it is, it is awesome to see matches filling up again. There you go. It's Echo Valley training center in West Virginia. The closest place to stay is actually Winchester, Virginia, which I think it's like 15, 20 minutes. It's not bad. But yeah, Echo Valley training center. It's, it's a cool built in the mountains of Appalachia. It's, it's cool. Yeah, that is, uh, that is awesome. It is too bad that, uh, their machine gun bill is currently jammed up. That was, I was going to get interesting. Especially next door. We were just going to take a walk or, but we can talk more at another time.

6:14I'm going to come back because I need to talk to you more Dave about running the invert rig. Sure, sure. I remember seeing that for the first time, like 10 years ago, probably 10 years ago. Wow, was it really? I don't know, it's, I just remember seeing it. I was like, man, those things look so cool. And never bought one. Well, like I said, you would come back, hit on it. I've got one. I've got two actually. So yeah, we'll talk about it. Yeah, I want to come back and talk about that later because I'm like, those seem to be pretty legit. Garth, did you do anything with guns? Uh, not a lot to do with actual guns. Did a little fair bit of emailing about, uh, the show later today. So talking to our final listeners out there, uh, been taking it pretty easy this week. As you can see, my name is Staples. I earned 13 of them this past week at State Darts. While I was saving a box of puppies from a garage fire. And a bean fell down, hit me in the head now 13 staples of my head. So

7:15out that story we're going with today. That's the story I'm going to go with today. I heard a different story. I don't know what you're talking about. No, I heard a different story. Fine, I slipped getting it up to go the bathroom. I'm on my underwear on a wet floor in a hotel bathroom and put 13 staples in my head because of it. That actually not where I was going with it either. Me and do puppies. Well, I know it's a puppies, but I mean no one would believe me. So Joe, you did anything? Not too much. Just starting some prep work, uh, research on a new build that I think I'm going to do. I'm not going to put anything out there yet on what I'm working on, but doing some looking around trying to figure out what I want to do. Looking at parks and seeing what's in stock in different places. But yeah, I, uh, so I, I this week was actually fairly productive for me.

8:18Um, I, uh, while back had to send a mediator to and a plate back to Gideon, um, there was a, we ran into some just a little bit of a spec issue on a plate that I was trying out from them and got that back. So I have a mediator to mounted to my M&P metal. And it has been 70 degrees here. So I actually got to hit the range with that for a little bit and put a couple hundred rounds through that M&P with the mailbox on it and did very much so love that thing. I, I liked it. And then I went back and, uh, I have my, I shot my favorite pistol optic of all time. I've, I've shot a lot of them. I know that, uh, Joe and Garth have heard me go through the, my like,

9:21finding the pistol optic I like the most, um, saga. Because I started with an RMR and then tried to punch at different ones. And it's like, okay, up RMR. And I didn't like the blue, uh, trigger gun to, um, then went through a handful of others. I was like, all right, you know, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to buy a Delta point pro because that's what big, that's what sig put their footprint for because, right. Army contract things that never came to fruition. And, uh, so I got a Delta point pro and I did not like that optic at all. Like, I, I had two, two pistols that were like two, three twenties, one had an RMR and one had a, uh, you know, the Delta point and I would go back and forth and be like, I just, like, same grip modules, everything. I was like, I just can't shoot this gun as fast.

10:22And it was a five-inch gun and heavier by all rights. I should have been able to shoot it faster. But that optic just did not agree with my eyeballs. Wow. And, uh, a Vulcan, you are not the only one on Rumble. I see there's one or two in there. But, uh, or not on Rumble on, or Vulcan Rumble on YouTube. There are a handful of there. We're probably going to get another strike from YouTube because we got a strike talking about buffers on YouTube a couple of weeks ago. And, uh, they're dangerous. Yeah, we were talking with the fry tech about magnetic buffers and that was, yeah, a bridge too far. God. But, uh, anyways, no, the, the Gideon storm, uh, it's a Delta point footprint. Okay. And is a giant squarish window. And, uh, that is my favorite pistol optic of all time.

11:24Like, I've run a lot of the different ones. Even some of the Gideons, the swamp fox, the, you know, the Delta points, the RMRs. But, that storm is kind of hands down my favorite. Oh, I not see it. I was, I was rather amazed at how well, uh, that, that thing worked out. Is the window like it's as big or bigger than the Delta point? It looks like it's huge. It's bigger. It's bigger like it's, it's massive. And it looks huge. Holy shit. It's amazing. I got, because I've got a couple of their Gideons. And I love that on my 2011 and my VP nine. Which is huge. Like, it's as huge enough window like, because it's like the SRO. But yeah, that looks just huge. Holy hell. Yeah, it's, it's like a squared off SRO. Okay. That's cool. Like, I had Joe look through it last night and you're even Joe was like, it does seem clear even after shooting it.

12:27Their stuff is crazy clear for as affordable as it is. And I, I love it. Correct. I've been enjoying all the Gideons have had so far. Yeah. Um, and then of course, we just got in their mediator excels, which is night vision capable. I've not used my own nods yet. I've just, I've got it sitting here. I won't pull it up because it's live. But I've got my B&T GHM nine. Oh, I'm going to pull up a gun here a little bit and it's live. So we'll get kicked from you. And that happens. That's fine. But um, no, because I have, um, I have my mediator excel on my PCC right now, because I'm going to run it for competition this year. Yeah. But I got asked if I had looked at it under nods yet. So I threw on my tubes and went into my, my dark room, which is also my downstairs basement bathroom. And my wife came downstairs and looked at me and went, did you just come out of the bathroom with? Never mind. I was like, I was getting hands on everything's good.

13:27It's dark. What happened? I was like, I was looking at something. And she went, I'm just not even going to ask. Let me go. Walk away. Like, that's just my husband doing husband things. He's over here going, yep. Okay, nods and, and a rifle. All right, whatever. So, uh, I know that everybody here, we are, our big news that we were given away that Garth has been working diligently on is tonight is the night. We're not going to do it now. No, not yet. But, uh, we are going to give away this exact rifle. Like, this very one that's in my hands, which is a high point HP 15. Yeah. So, for anyone who did not know what it is that is,

14:28or this package is because we're doing a full package for this. Uh, this is a slightly less than new, I believe is how Garth put it. In the, in the media blitz for this, um, this rifle was sent to us. I did a, uh, I put probably about 2000 rounds through it. Um, I went and shot Nikili's heel tactical class with it. Joe and I went out and did that. Um, we shot, uh, you know, just used it for a bunch of different drills and training around here. Uh, I will get into, uh, like, so we're going to do a little bit of the review with it. We'll talk to Dave as we go through. We'll talk about my experience of shooting it. And then we're also going to talk a little bit about the package that we are sending to one of you lucky listeners that has, uh, put in, you know, has gone through the, the requirements to, uh, to be eligible for this drawing. That's right. One of you lucky people is going to get a part of next package.

15:31What would have thought it would, so I'm going to start from the front. Well, we got this, uh, I got this rifle in last summer. And, uh, the very first thing I did with it was I did not clean it. I did not do anything with it. I think I took it out in the cardboard box. And Joe and I were teaching a carbine class. Nice. And I pulled it out of the box, put a red dot on it, loaded a magazine and laid down behind it. And, uh, started zeroing it with the rest of the class. Like, hey, we're going to tell you guys what to do. And, uh, I will be honest. Kind of fell on its face for a little while. Did not want to run. We weren't working at each other like, what's going on? And then I, I pulled it apart and I went, oh, this is why? Because I did not do like proper PCI's and PCC's for pre combat inspections, pre combat checks. I just slapped a magnet and said, let a riptator chip.

16:34And, uh, it was not, it was more acting grease, which if you're shipping a rifle for storage or anything like that, makes a ton of sense. Because you don't want it to rust or go bad on the shelf, which is great. It is, however, sometimes not conducive to firing. So I dumped a bunch of lube on it and got it up and running and then came home and went, okay, this is going in the sonic cleaner. And I dropped the internals in a sonic cleaner and cleaned them off. Ran a bore snake down the, down the tube. And, uh, went out the next week and put about 300 rounds through it. Just running drills. And that was my only hiccup with it. Was straight up, it, it came packed in grease, which is not something that I'm, I'm not going to say it's bad. That's a, hey, you get it, you should wipe it down before you use it, lube it, oil it, which really you should do with any gun parts.

17:37I have, I have done that exact same thing with about any gun that I get out of the box. I could take the time, take it apart and clean it. No, I'm going straight to the range and I'm going to get out of the shelf. And then we'll come back and I'm going to clean it. And then we'll go back and it's going to work and it's going to run. So, and I'm willing to bet half the chat does the same thing. They're like, screw it. Let's just see if it runs out of the box. Yep. And I don't have to clean it if it does. Yep. I'm guilty. And so did that. I will say one of the things that I was very, very impressed with. And I know that because I've had Joe and Garth both shoot it as well. We all put rounds through it. But it was an incredibly accurate or is that was. But it's only poured the barrel out. Yeah. An incredibly accurate rifle. Like especially for what we had there. When we were on the line, we had a couple IWI, we had an IWI Zion that day, a couple of my custom builds.

18:42Another I think it was a, it was a Ellie Saint. And you know, like a handful and then just a handful of other, other, you know, reputable manufacturers that would be kind of that mid-tier. Yep. These are going to be solid guns. And it actually printed the tightest groups of the day. That's awesome. And I was just down behind it shooting off the magazine, not using bags or anything like that. And I am not the world's greatest shooter by any means. But certainly better than average. Maybe. So it depends on the day. Absolutely does. Then we shot it. We just take it to range days ago out whenever we were doing practice and drills. And went out and just kept putting time behind it to kind of get a feel for the rifle. And Dave, I know you and I have talked and I said, people always ask,

19:44what is it? And what did I say? Because I actually opened the gun con range day. That's one of these this year. I think I said, yeah, it's an AR. Yeah, the first shots. It's an AR because it's exactly what it is. It's an AR. It's amazing. And for anybody listed, it's it's a, I mean, this is a 16 inch rifle with a 15 inch handguard. And you know, M lock handguard. It's an AR 15 with a carbine length gas system. So it runs like an AR 15 with a carbine length gas system. I did not take the muzzle device off this and run it suppressed. Which is an oddity for me. I realize as I go through talk about this, but I didn't even put a can on it. I just ran it with the A2 bird cage. And then we went and Joe and I took it out and we shot the kill you see a tactical class with it. And Joe, what did what would you say? Because I know I was shooting it, but we kind of watch what we we do a lot of times

20:49and see how equipment runs. I mean, we unit up having to clean it again and eating it all up. Then we have to go through the buffer. No, that would be the other sum. I pulled the bolt out and just lubed it again. Yeah, we're having a little issue with it. About 500 rounds in that day. Yeah. And that's after all the other rounds all summer. But it ran, it did what it was supposed to do. Especially on that line where you and I were the oddities. And we've talked about this after the class in one of the other shows. But everybody else is up there with their tricked out. Daniel, you know, everything they got. I think there's all these just super cool. Super bad ass here with a M4 clone in the high point. We let one guy look at it. And he's like, looks at the logo. And he's like, oh, here, take this bag. Like it's going to oh, no, because he thought it was a hot rifle. He thought it was a hot defense. It's so awesome. But I said, it's a high point.

21:50And he acted like it hurt his credit score by touching it. That's the dumb shit I can't stand. Like it's funny. Listen, I can't stand it. Like you think you're that much better. Like it's off to you. Come on. It's an air. It's a what is it? $450 is it? Where do you guys get 500 bucks? I'm sorry. I've seen a few other people review it. And I think the biggest thing that I saw is they're like, it shoots out of its class. Like for a $500 rifle. They were super impressed. That's awesome. Yeah. I've seen a few people review them online. And that was their thing. They're like, yeah, it's a high point. It's an AR-15. But it's shooting. Like they were very impressed with it. So yeah, I mean, there's the mean jokes and stuff about you know, the high point stuff. But and I said it when we first got it,

22:50I said it after we shot it at Guncon. If you can't build an AR-15 that runs out of the box, you shouldn't be making any sort of fire on. Right. Because they mean it's it'd be like if you can't it'd be like a car manufacturer trying to make or building a vehicle and they can't figure out how to build a VA. Like there's a billion of them out there. It's not hard to follow the plan. Yeah, if you want to start tweaking it and getting into some of that stuff to shoot half MOA groups and stuff like that, you can fine tune them. But it runs. It fires and like Nick said, it's not a scatterion. It's proud. It's it's a better quality than what we hand our soldiers. Very much. And that's where I really like to jump on the banner about the whole thing. Like Nick said, we all get to take turns shooting it throughout the year and stuff. And like I said, shoots is a good group. Shot like an AR. Shot like an AR should shoot.

23:51And if everyone has that issue where it has the high point stamp on it, man, I encourage you to go buy it more because that'll just piss off any guy you go to a competition match or what have you just to be like, I just shout you with a high point. Suck it. And then you can mic drop essentially. And I mean, just for the petty guys out there to say, why I'd never shoot because it's a high point. Well, screw off dude. I mean, well, I know that I've I think Dave has even stolen my my comment about it. I didn't steal. I just use it a fair amount of shots. I don't know if we can steal and use it. It's the we need to stop treating people who see this. And like, oh, sweet, you know, I got this rifle and stop acting like, oh, this is so beneath everyone. And just be excited that people are at the range with it. Like, it's it might be the equivalent of a clapped out Ford Ranger. But like the danger ranger still exists and everybody loves them. Yeah, yeah. I I continue to use that quote.

24:53Um, at, um, a great American outdoor show in Harrisburg. I was there for like, I don't know, five or seven days. And that show it for us, it's it's like a mini NRA or micro NRA. So you're just getting massive people you're talking to. So it's just the education side of it. And guys that come up go, oh, you guys are making ARs. I didn't realize that or they'd go, I knew you're making them. I wanted to see them. And they asked for the price and we talked about it. And I was routinely thrown out there. I'm like, look, dude, you know, if you can afford that super bad ass thing over there, cool. If you can't take, get this thing, take it, have fun with it. The best one was like these two kids came up that were 18, 19 years old. They didn't know jack about ARs. They're totally into it though. And I mean, I went on a whole dissertation with them of like, they asked me, why is ours so much less than most of what else is? I was like, real big point. I was like, you ready for this? He's like, yeah, what marketing bullshit? He's like, what? Yes, marketing bullshit. It's a lot of it, man. I'm like, there's only some outfits making uppers and lowers. Only so many outfits making barrels. Only some many outfits making gas blocks, gas tubes, all that shit.

25:55And like, dude, we're sourcing our stuff in the same places everybody else. And then our guys, our team assembles it in house. I was like, so buy what you want, man. I don't care. You know, but then those two kids, I then encouraged how they wanted a specific build. That's a cool buy this thing, have fun with it. Then go to this site and buy whatever style, upper year after and use the lower still that you have here. And they were like, mine's blown up. Well, and I, I'm going to say this, like, yes, you can afford it, especially if you're just getting into it. If you can afford the, the whiz bang niveski, like, Brad man, more power to you. Yeah. Still buy, buy a rifle like this. And then buy two cases of 556. Absolutely. And go book yourself an intro to carbine class and then another carbine class. Yeah, put the work in. And then even having a little money left over to buy a semi-decent dot instead of buying the cheapest thing, you know, like,

26:58that more, more, what most guys, if you take a random kid, a random dude off the street and hand him a high point, hand him a Daniel defense and a veski, a custom build, they're going to shoot, they're most likely going to shoot to same groups, if they're shooting the same glass. Yep. And at the end of the day, yeah, you might get to the point where you're going to hold shoot that high point. I doubt it. It's getting optics in the chat says high point ARs PK are fighting. Well, it's got better quality control than their plates. No, it's a great gun. Whoever wins it is going to, is going to enjoy it. And I hope, I hope they shoot the barrel out of it. I hope you get the right. Right. So part of this when we talk about, we'll go into a little bit of the package right now.

27:59And as I go through here, I know there's one thing that this gun is really missing. And we didn't include it in this and it's not a can. It's a VZ grip because the unique features of VZ grips that are machined from a solid block of G10. It's great because it's durable and doesn't get slipper in cover with mud blotter. So it's 17 degree grip angle and wide variety of textures from mild to extreme as well as color options and shorty versions are also available. 1911 grips of the extreme cost of my ability, standard thumb to thumb to thumb, just save to guess bottle profiles and more. More than 25 textures and 27 colors are available. And there's one coupon code that is good for 15% off all. Handgun and rifle grips and that code is AR 15 pod 15. And they even make grips for the Daniel defense H nine. Wow, that's cool. Yep. But that's the one thing this is missing. So when we when we started talking about this and I brought up to the guys and I said, hey, we should give this rifle away. And you know, go through for people

29:01and kind of give back to listeners with it. Because we got to send to us so let's pass it forward. So I really wanted to do instead of just like, hey, here's the rifle we tested go. I thought we should do a full package. So I have long said that if you're going to have a rifle, it needs to first have a sling on it. Yep. Because you need to have a retention device for your gun. So having the sling is important. It needs to have a way to aim it. So that's an optic. And this is just a cheap, you know, red dot. And then the last thing, this is a me thing. I think a gun should have a white light. So this has a stream light, you know, protect. And stream lights a great light. It's it might not be the real fancy surefire scout X3 or X600 or whatever.

30:02But it does the job. I was wondering about the FRT that you were going to drop in there too. No, I didn't. So those are those are a little too low pro or low production right now or hard to come by. I'd just be throwing it. It's probably what you're giving away. Plaggy Dave in the comments says a lot of people don't know or forget that high point is 100% American made. Yes, they are. They don't have to worry about INS rating their shop. Look at you, Bear Creek. Oh, shit. Well, you know, Nicholas, since I was feeling. Oh, dang it. What am I doing here? I don't feel so generous about things. I thought, you know what? I have a spare VZ grip. Why don't we throw that on the gun? So we're we are going to include a VZ grip on this gun as well. Ooh, look at that.

31:03Oh, that's fancy. We're going to swap it out. I'll bring it down this weekend. Well, that will not work because I won't be here. I'll bring it down eventually. So you'll get your gun at some point. Well, at some point they might get that or they might get it in a separate package. There you go. But no, we have this. And you're also going to get an assortment of five different magazines. Because magazines are important, but as I am being charitable and generous, I am not just going to go through and grab a stack of five of one type of magazine. Because we all know I have many of the magazines. Well, there's some KCI's. There's some Lancers. I think there's an amen too. And those types of things. And oh, man, look at that. Clockier Tactical in the comments says he will donate an AR mag carrier to

32:08this is awesome. This is going to be an amazing package to a winner to get. But before we do that, I want to go back to talk to Dave. Because Dave has something that I wanted to talk to him about. We alluded to earlier. And that is that invert. Yeah, the invert band leader. So Joe Garth, are you getting familiar with the invert? No. So the invert band leader is a chest rig that may be the perfect thing for Garth. You know, that's how you get me started into buying a lot of shit. And then this is the perfect thing for you, buddy. I'll try it. Hey, this is the one I'm going to show you. Because what I will do now is I will share the screen. So I have never actually run one of these. Yeah, I just know that when I when I first saw them, I what man these things look really cool. Because they are different. As instead of pulling up off your belt.

33:10This is a chest rig that isn't really a standard chest rig. So it goes from your non-firing shoulder around your body like a sling wood. You know, so it's the opposite of a sling or like a sling object. It's opposite direction of your sling. Yeah, but they have them with, you know, we have three rifle mags on them. They do make them that have, you know, Glock mags or anything for doing PCC stuff. And, you know, MP5 mags and those things that are made to be held upside down. So you just pull straight down into the gun, which is a slightly more efficient manner to do it than pulling up and out. Did I lose anyone? Okay, the old Dave pulled his out. Perfect. Well, the one of them at least, yeah. So I'm going to do this and give Dave the solo layout. Oh, his MP5 mag with the proper

34:14die hard to Dave. That's right. Hell yeah. Yeah. So no, I mean, as you can see, it literally, it is just a bandalier almost sling like. You can figure them with multiple mags. I think the MP5 one here, we've got three mags on it. And then they call it the revolver pack. Just packing it back. I've stuffed some MP5s as if it's shit in this one. I think on my AR one, I've thrown a tourniquet in there and I don't like a neck gator just because it's like slings cut into your neck. But no, just that the fact of you had those mags right there, you know, you come in and strip it out, slap it in. It's pretty quick. It's pretty easy. It's not you're not doing this like awkward like get my head the way pull out the chest rig, just that slide down and then in. So it's just it's all right there in your workspace. They're pretty slick, man. I mean, my only real concern. I've had this one, this MP5 on a couple of years now. And the AR one I've had six months is there is like elastic retention in these mag palaces.

35:20So how long is that really going to last? Like that shit will break down eventually over time. But you can still outfit these things with bungee cords to go over your mag. So you still keep the retention that way. So you flick that one off and then pull your magazine out, get it in. Gives you a little extra attention if the body itself dies down eventually. But no, it's super comfortable. It's if you're running the summertime, it's nowhere near as hot as running a plate carrier. This is a whole lot less mass to it. It does have a third strap. I think this is tucked away that I can you can buckle it in in the middle. So you keep it more secure so it's not sliding all over the place. But then they even have a one of the pictures I can see in the other screen. You can velcro it up and gives you a higher retention point. For that backside, just getting in, keeping it secure. I don't know, man. It's pretty cool. Like I said, I'm two of these things in and might even do a third for the GHM 9. It's a pretty slick minimalist setup.

36:22I mean, easy thing. You can just throw in your car if you run around, you know, the truck gun or something. So I know that when I look at this, like this, the bandleader kit for their subgun that does glock, stri-bog, BNT mags, they also have a third mag on the shoulder. Oh, yeah. No, that mine's got it as well. That like comes with it. I think where the bed pack and then there you can see where it will attach underneath the other arm so that you have that going around. And, you know, obviously the variety of colors. It's just I remember seeing those and thinking these are so awesome. Like they look so cool. You know, it's like doing it for the Graham days. And it's always some cool GI Joe, you know, larping shit. But the reality is it does work really, really well. I mean, you throw a jacket over the thing. You can still quickly get to your mags, get them out, get them in a gun, back into action. I think they're pretty legit. And you're even as a kind of a low profile kit. Yeah, absolutely. If you wanted to be a low profile and

37:26if you ever had something where you had to be a low profile and we're wearing say a jacket, you could wear that with the bag in front. It just looks like you're wearing a cross body fanny pack. Absolutely. And absolutely. You know, so that might be a good thing for somebody wanted to keep something in their vehicle to go with. I mean, and it's cool. They sell them in like bunch of configurations or you can build them scratch the way you want. Because I think the air when I have, I bought a pre-configged one that a three-gunner designed that I don't know if he works with them or knows them really well. But then the P5 one, I just built it my way. I was like, you know, I'm going to put more mags on the thing. And the revolver pack just seemed cool to use and use for it. So. Yeah, no, check it out, man. Total sense. I just know that when you posted like your gear load out, everyone else is looking at like, oh man, look at that. It's the previous 21s and the DIT. I'm like, look at that infertile.

38:27That's awesome. How do you know where my autism goes? Right. Telling those 21s. I'm like, and like the inverse for the cool should laid out better, you know. Yeah, it's because I, you know, I will admit I'm a nerd now. Look at that stuff. I'm like, oh, man, that's really cool. I'm with you. I'm totally with you, dude. I mean, Dr. Scary Guy, they do make a invert specifically for scorpion mags. Yep. Because he says he looks angrily at a pile of scorpion mags behind him. So there you go. We don't have an affiliate code with him or anything. It was just I saw it on Dave's Facebook post and I went, oh, I want to talk to about that. Because you're like the one guy I know who's actually ran them. I mean, like the the air one I use it at a high range day just this past year right to the helo. And that was my mag retention. And it's crazy. Like you first think about it. It's like, can't get the mag out easy.

39:29Get the mag back in because when you're in the helo, dump house fills up really quick. I was like, man, one hand and I'm like, let's see. And it's like, oh, damn, it's in there. Okay, grab the next one out and go. So I mean, one hand operation, it's it's pretty slick, man. And with their movement, I mean, like you can bounce around. They're not coming out. They're they're they're pretty no, no, they're not coming out. They're not going to have that stupid retention strap. I bought that with the MP5. I didn't with the AR because how well they've held up with MP5 and I took them all off. Okay. But like I said, I had no concerns going in a helo and having them in there facing downwards because it's like if they fall off, I'm wait till the end of the day to put my mags if I can find them, you know, and now they all stay put. So it's it's a pretty solid piece of kit. I think it is pretty dope. No, that is that is awesome because we all need a way. You know, it's just like I was talking with slings or anything like that. We need a way to retain what we're carrying on us. And one of the best ways to do that is with clicker tactical holster. If you're a need a reliable custom kydex holster, clicker tactical is your one stop shop.

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41:32You can defend your house with. You can do anything you want with that thing. And Mick in the YouTube chat, the deadline was 8 p.m. So if you bought your $25 hat before 8 p.m., congratulations. You are getting about, I don't know, I'm going to speculate probably a $900 to $1,000 package here. Damn, that's so yes. So Joe, why don't we go ahead and run that through? If you have that up, he's like, oh, you put me on the spot. I'm good. I just get it where I need it. So as he's pulling that up, I will go through here. Bob, you did send us one. I just hadn't mounted it to the rifle because I had been going through doing the other stuff. So this will get sent through here. And the only thing you will need to purchase for yourself is ammo.

42:36And then obviously, if you are the winner after this goes through, you'll have to get ahold of us. And then we will ship it to the FF on the state you are a resident. As long as it is legal to own this in the state you are a resident of, that was a stipulation of, so there's your puppy. Hey, well, it loves a good dog. He can just get nauseous a lot of times. Me too. Come on. What are you doing? Are you barking at him? Wait, all right. I'm going on. I grabbed the wrong one. Oh, I grabbed the wrong one. I'll remove that here. I wanted this one. I, it was central time, Mick. I am sorry, but he says he was like, well, I'm in mountain times. So I'm guessing it was Eastern. And no, even though you are on God's time, we did it on central time.

43:37So I do enjoy mountain time. Mark the central time. As do I. And guys, I know that we go through and we talk about some of these events we go to because we talked about Guncon, which is coming up again. And get signed up to go there. I'm not sure if any of us are going to be able to make it to go there this year. Army stuff's getting in the way. But we will be at goals. Be there too. I'm going to go get goals. Maybe Joe. Yeah, I'm going to get goals, barring any cassette catastrophes. I mean, if it rains, I know a guy with a plane and I'll try to be there in two hours. All right. Can we see my screen? I haven't added to stage now. We're the list of names. Got it. We'll flue. We're not missing anybody if we are too bad. All right. Right should happen before I set it still.

44:42All right. So yes, we can see the list that we have up here. We have what now I see 37 I believe 37 entries. I was kind of hoping this let me go large or go full screen. But oh, I can make it. No, I mean, because it's bigger than my screen as long list. So that being said, are you ready to call this name? I am ready. So let's go ahead and get this sent out. So as we go through here, if you've seen us do this before, we did it once before. And now we have we have the horse race going live here as we go through. It's coming through and we have our horses going out. They're going through the race. No, he can't win. I told him that gingers were eliminated. I told him that gingers were there's a clause where he can't win. Oh, man. There you go. Oh, my God. No, poor bastard.

45:42All right. So the winner is Eric Jensen. So don't clap for him. Congratulations. Well, we will be in contact with you. Yeah, we have his contact info. Yeah, I have his contact info. Nice, that's good guys. That's a sweet package to get. Yes, it is and that will be and I do know that it will be going to a he will use it. But that is that is awesome. And we're happy to have that. Now, as we go through here, um, so we did the rifle giveaway. We can throw this down. I really don't feel bad about scratches on it now. Okay. It's going to show up. It's going to show up nice and dirty.

46:43And we're not shipping it. So I don't know. Come and get it. Oh, he will. He's just asked. He's like, are you serious? But I mean, I mean, how often do you win like that? When you do win something, you really got a question. Like, did I really just win something? Like, or like, this is for real? I mean, I know it's something bad ass. Hell yeah, that's awesome. That's why you're awesome. So, um, no, as we go through, I know we talked a little bit about goals in places we're going to be. But we did our giveaway and congratulations to Eric and thank you to everyone who bought hats and went through with this. Guys, I know the hats are going to be coming out and we'll get those shipped out to you soon. We will, we will. I'll get all that wrong. So don't feel bad. I mean, you still got a hat out of the thing. We're not taking any money out of this. Okay. So actually, we received nothing for this. The cost of the hat was just the cost of the hat.

47:44So it's, uh, this was 100% like you guys bought some swag to help support us. And we are giving back to you guys, our listeners. Because, uh, while we do love and care for each and every one of you. So what? Eric apparently did Joe. Well, that's just because we know him. I had a Snapchat earlier saying he's just looking forward to winning it. And I'm like, through you. There's no ginger's claws. Oh, and thank you to AR Drew for the $20 rumble rant for Garves' Bathroom injury fund. Thank you. I want to see this thing. It's, it's gnarly. I'll look at my other camera. Yeah, let's see. This one is bad. I guess anymore. Oh, damn. Oh, yeah. That's, that's pretty good, dude. It was something else. Needle. Now, I'm not saying this because we're not going to advocate giving this away.

48:47But, uh, like, maybe at some point. I know the next thing from high point that I am exceedingly excited to get my hands on. Now, shit. Uh, no, and I know it probably won't be until the next range day I go to. And that is one of the high point cans because we haven't talked about that yet. Because it's just why brought it up a shot show that, uh, you guys did release cans. We shot the inland at guncon, Joe, but we, I have not shot the hush point yet. Yeah, the, oh, that's wrong thing. I don't keep statistics or the details of those things memorized, because I just have enough crap in my head. But yeah, the hush, the hush point 22 is our 20s you can. That is actually out now. I think we should ship some more just the other day too. But now what I have live on the site is the hush point 45. That's the new one you saw at shot show. Yeah, and actually the one I have put on the website.

49:48The two of them are the same two that we're at shot show and at the GOH show. Um, yeah, monocore 45 can. But you'll get two host adapters. One in five, seven, eight by 28 for all of our 45, 40 and 10 mil guns. And then you're going to have 28 host threads. So you can put on our nine millimeter and 380 options. And obviously other guns that you might have that are half 28. Um, yeah, these guys, I think I finished the manual up, uh, I was before shot show. So they went to printing. Box art was printing, uh, as far as I know, I think we're just waiting to get delivery on the first batch and start pushing them out to our distributors. You know, and the price for these things is 440 solid. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's all made. This thing is made completely in house unlike the ARs. Like I said, we sourced the ARs and we do the final building the ARs. But these suppressors are completely made in house. Well, I'd like to host and capture something that you have machined for us. But the tube, the monocore, it's all us.

50:51So I watched what has been beating me up on this. Do you think the 22 can to be safe on a 17 hornet? I believe yes it is. I just saw a chat pop into, um, I guess seven. Well, we have listed 17 mock to 17 HMR and 17 WSM. All right. So while you guys keep talking, I'm going to look up 17 WSM. Yeah, I don't know exactly where in the line. I think when you get the 17s, I don't know them well enough to tell you if one or the other, like the mock too, I hadn't heard about that until they're like, oh, we're going to put this on there that you can definitely run that through it. They're not 5.7 rated. That's been the kind of a bumble for some people. I know we've run 5.7 through them. Just can't just not build for it and really truly. So it's all going to get the $1.45 for that one. I would, I would exercise caution. So 17 Hornet is at 50,000 PSI,

51:56cup pressure, and the 17 WSM is about 33. So I would exercise caution. Next one, clicker asked, are they serviceable Dave? Yeah, because they're their monocore designs. So you guys unscrew the monocore comes straight out. Well, on the on the 22 and the hush 22, the monocore is a separate piece from your end cap and your host cap. On the hush.45, your end cap and the monocore is all one piece. But still, monocore design, take it out, clean it up. Yeah, so yes, it is serviceable. Very cool. And still doing our, you know, our warranty that we're going to cover the thing as long as you don't intentionally destroy it and shoot at it as a target, you know, we're going to cover it for you. So yeah, oh boy, you guys went full reach, aren't you? Well, I mean, I had a guy years ago at Shacho. He asked me, he said, hey, because, you know, I want to shoot a C9 at the time because I want to shoot a C9 at a thousand yards.

53:00And I was like, okay, I'll be honest to you. And I was like, somebody's done it. There's a, to a YouTube, he put the video out there. All one great long take of him, set his balloon up, him shooting a C9, lob a net thing, hitting a balloon, driving out there, verifying how's like, so you could do better production value, but it's been done. And he goes, oh no, you misunderstand, I want to shoot the C9. It'll be my target at a thousand yards. I just looked at it like, dude, get out of here. He's like, what? I was like, I'm not sending you shit. He's like, what? If you were to destroy my product intentionally, I was like, that's just stupid. Yeah. I was like, go buy it yourself. I was like, I'll be no part of it. What if I put the video out there? I said, good for you. You can't stop you. Yeah. It doesn't help us. Right, right. I was like, but I'm not sending you shit. He was like, actually, I would go, okay. You're gold 556 pistol, which I hadn't been on the site in a while. So I checked your suppressors now. And then I had watered over there. And I went, I know a few guys who'd buy that.

54:02Man, the pistol and the rifle, the gold both. It's not my thing. But man, they look kind of cool. They kind of look at, I still remember Tony Simon from second is for everyone. The second member is for everyone. Tony Simon has a great, amazing organization in New Jersey. He does a lot to help people get into guns and do all those things. Tony is a large individual. Yes, he is. Good dude. He went kind of viral a couple of years ago running over himself with a scooter at Chacho. I was doing like wheelies with a man. And he is also black. And he picks up the gold high point and is like, oh, yes, I need this. And as he's talking, somebody walks up behind him and plays the smoke detector chirp noise.

55:04I was just like, that was the thing I just saw happen. It was one of his co-hosts from his show. So speaking of shows, we have some listeners who now have their own show that they started, guys. Did you know that? Oh, shit. No. Is that the rimfire dude? The rimfire one? Yep. So AR drew. And the Gat Lab. And I know that I'm going to be forgetting at least one other in there. They started rimfire radio. Oh, I'm going to be checking that out for sure. It's better than those clowns on AK47 radio. Oh, gosh. Have you listened to those guys? No, I was on their show and I don't listen to them. No, I don't. Yes. But oh, and Dusky and Dr. Scary guy as well. They all are on rimfire radio together. Oh, shit. All right. Is that a Firearms radio network? Yes, I believe so. Episode three should drop soon.

56:05They're saying so they are three episodes in. But guys, that's awesome. I am super happy to hear you guys are putting stuff out. And that is amazing because like, yes, thanks for like, AirDruce's thanks for the shout out. Sean has not accepted us yet. Did he have my shit show on there? Come on. What? Have you seen some of the shows he lets on there? Hi, where are these guys going? Yeah. But no, it is definitely awesome to see you guys getting more. People talk about the creator space being crowded and it's not. We're always looking for more good people because we want to get the word out to get more people into shooting. However, we do that is the best way to do it. Yeah. And aliens will always be best, Dave. Always. Always.

57:05And there is a reason why both of us were excited for the fronky. Yes, yes, Dave sent me a picture and that is the exact time I was thinking of. Make sure Tony, yeah, with the gold AR. Yep. But no, they can never have enough people in it and bring it over to rumble because Google will hate you. So set up something on YouTube and then bring it to rumble. And we will work for that as well. Now, Dave, you talked about your podcast. Let's give a shout out to yours. Let's talk about live fire media. Yeah, it's my shit show of me and Hunter Elliott from Rainshot.com. He and I have been friends in a long time. I'm at Shot Show and we both, I know we like a lot of similar things. We also disagree on a shit ton of things. So I was like, dude, why don't we do a show? Just hang out and bullshit.

58:07Another buddy starting to kind of join in a little more with me because the whole big thing is my whole thing of guns has come from movies like Aliens Predator Terminator. Video games from old NES days to I've been a PC nut since Doom and I still play all that shit up to now. So that's still a huge factor in my life. And so it's like, yeah, the life of a new show, it's not just a gun thing. It's also what draws us into it. So we're going to talk about movies a lot of times. We did a deep dive on the running man movies a couple of weeks ago from the remake to the original Schwarzenegger version. We reference, I don't know, man, virtually everything. And we've gone on weird tirades about music. I mean, D&D, like just, it's everything, man. Like, I've enjoyed all the episodes of it that I've, you know, looking to it and so I'm down. I think it's awesome. Thanks, man. Rainshot just says it's the only reason he wants to mark 23 is because the middle of your solid. Now, because it was always cool before that, but it helps too.

59:07That's not helps. I won't lie. See, like, when I look back, there's, like, I have never been an anime nerd. Anything like that. But like, I can respect some of it. Right. Like the IWI Jericho's from Cowboy Bebop. I'm like, okay, I get why people want those. Yeah. Yep. So I want to, like, me, I still don't have it for whatever reason. But I want to get an original Beretta 25. Okay. And a Walther PPK. Yeah. Got you guys, sir. Because both of those are the original James Bond guns. Yep. You'll documentally he carried a Beretta 25 caliber. And they said, you need something with more power and made him take the Walther PP. But what's even that? And the Beretta, you know, ever seen use it because it's pretty much the being in the movie.

1:00:09He trades it in, doesn't he? Yeah, that was at the very beginning of Doctor No. Yeah. But like, I was huge into the novels. It's like, I have the full James Bond novel collection. Nice. And if you go into that, there's actually one of them where he has a, that the cover art is a fit special revolver. A fit special for anyone who doesn't know what they're talking about, or doesn't know what I'm talking about, was they cut down a lot of them were colts. But it was a cult like detective special. And it was called the fit special because they would bob the hammer and then they would cut the trigger guard off. So you would save time getting your finger to the trigger. So you wouldn't have to place it in the trigger guard. That's all because the fifties were a hell of a time. And that long double action figure or pull was your safety.

1:01:11So there you go. There's there's our little bit of pop culture referencing. I like it. I like it. And like, I want a Webley because of Indiana Jones. I mean, there's some of the movie guns and things that I want like, you know, working on a Robocop turning in my bread and I do know Robocop, you know, because I missed out what I'd do to actually sold some comps online out there. So it's like, okay, fine. I'll do my own work on it, you know, the Beretta 93 R. Yeah, yeah, which I've given up on that. I'm happy with the 92 and the FR team for the 92. It works well enough. I'm down with that. I'm going to go with something a little different. Do a no wonder. But oh, that looks like a. What is that? Anybody, anybody? It's a, it's basis is the charter Bulldog. This is decades blaster from Blade Runner. So it's a Bulldog revolver with a stire receiver. I mean, like the bolt actually will actually a little bit.

1:02:14Yeah, why? Why? Because I'll never find a real props. I just treat it pretty one because it's cool. Exactly. Yeah, I don't have a 3D printer. My wife gets mad at me for all the other dumb shit I'm doing. I would just start printing stuff. Though I've told I've tried to sell her on hey, we can use it for your plants. But I see I'm my wife. My buddy has helped me. Well, Sean, we like shooting in Jon Patton. They helped me set me links of organization stuff to show my wife. So she's like, ooh, you can see some like yeah. So my show on organization stuff. He's gone crazy if someone said it's awesome. I'm going to follow some cable management stuff he did. Yeah, his whole wall like system. He's got like a hexagon system. Like yeah, I'm going to copy and do some of that stuff in my garage as well. Like it's it's fun. It's fun. Like I want to know if you're the the bread and 92 frt will work in a diorama leak. I have no idea.

1:03:16So that's the Turkish clone of a burrito 92. What's find out? I mean, just because I don't want to tear up one of my burritos. I mean like to do the made him, he says they'll work in like the burritos and toruses. So I mean, if it's if it's basically still a burrito like I don't know here I will. I'll pull him. I'm seeing the reason I wouldn't. So this is also like it literally just drops in. It's a little Seacup piece that just literally drops in there. So it's it's right and we can see the trigger actually a little bit. It drops in that's it. So if that pocket's there. Yeah, that's the reason why it wouldn't work. Because these are the muleaks. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I know, I know these are now. Yeah, I mean, if it's a 92, it's going to work in it.

1:04:16Yeah, at one time they're making a parakellan armory. Nice, nice. Yeah, I give it a shot, man. Yes, I might know somebody at the company. Hey, hey, send me one of these why reasons. Science. What the problem is is they know like people are starting to know me and they're like, what are you going to do with it? Right, right. I'm going to run it way harder than you ever thought about. That's exactly it. So speaking of running things way harder than you ever thought about, guys, we're coming up, we're hitting about our normal hour that we do. And I know that we can keep going for many hours into the night to keep discussing. He's like, uh, we all know the things that I'm going to start talking about. Guys, we live in interesting times. And there is definitely a need to go get training.

1:05:23Go get medical training. Nobody knows what's about to happen. Look at what happened in Austin, Texas. Like, guys, go get medical training. Number one, go get medical training. And uh, go get training in general. That is very, very important. But before we sign out and I keep going down my get training rabbit hole that I yell at every week and scream into the ether about. Garth, you got anything to add? Yeah. If you haven't yet by now, I don't know. You're living under rock, I guess. I don't know. Go join Patriot Patch. Patriot Patch.co for all your patch going needs. They have the patch of the month club. It's fantastic. You get patches every month from the patch of the month club. It costs under $20. They'll sign up today and get your patch soon. Yes, we are March 1. The March patch of the month right there in front of us. And it is the leprechaun with six shooters saying, do you feel lucky?

1:06:24Yeah. Awesome. No, Joe, you got anything bad? Ah, you know, since we mentioned it, go check out the other guys. All the other podcasts that are on the programs, Radio Network. There's a lot of them out there. You can find a lot of them. Oh, I appreciate our website, air15podcast.com. We have a link to a lot of them. I do have to get the rim fire one up there. I didn't realize they were out there. Like them, share them. You know, find them on their Instagrams. Their rumbles, their Facebook. Like them, share their stuff. Just keep pushing the two-way stuff to beat those algorithms. I mean, if you're paying attention to the news, there's a lot of states right now that are trying to strip all those rights away. So we got to do what we can to keep the movement, keep our hobbies and lifestyles live. So like, share, and spread that stuff.

1:07:29Not, yes, indeed. Dave, do you got anything else to add? I'm just going to throw out there kind of my usual I've been closing stuff out with on my own show is turn the TV off, turn the news off. I mean, you guys stay informed, but turn the shit off. Quit scrolling on these things, put it down. Like, listen to your show, catch up when you want to catch on after that, put it down, do something else. You'll feel a whole lot better. You don't need to stay attached 24-7 to the shit that's going on out there. So, yeah, check out for a little bit. It's good for you. Yes, indeed. Very much so I'm going to say this and this is like Dave's a good friend of mine. And one of my best times I had at Shot Show this year was actually the last night. Dave and I just sat and had a burger and a beer. That's great. People watched and just be asked about stuff. And it was like completely checked out. Didn't even know where our phones were, but relaxed. And just kind of were hanging out. And that is the type of stuff we all need to do. Yeah. You'll all hang out with a buddy, call a friend, you know, talk to him.

1:08:33Guys, I said before we live in interesting times, go out and get training, get medical training. Remember that you are your own first responder and no one is coming to save you. So folks, you guys go out there, you stay safe and stay armed. This podcast has been a production of the Firearms Radio Network. For more, visit FirearmsRadio.net.