Answering The 5 Hardest Questions In Life

0:00Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Long and Thick Podcast, where we help you navigate the noise and cut through the bullshit in the health and wellness space. Today, we are diving into the five most commonly asked philosophical questions. The reason being we have both just been reflecting a lot. We are both very thought driven people. And so we figured we could use this time to maybe prompt some of our listeners to reflect along with us. So be ready to put on your strongest pair of brain boots to trudge through some of the fun questions and things that we're going to share and converse about. We have just gotten some fun boxes in from Grand Palace. Thank you, Matt. We got some merch. We got hats. We got shirts. This batch is going to be a one of one. So you get the goods while they're available to get got.

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2:03That's outward. Honestly, at this point, I think it is. Okay. We're fucking here. We're fucking in. We're so in. I had dropped into this reality. Yep. Like I caught you with a little hook and then. Yep. Those are no fun. Fun. I've actually seen that should happen on a pier before. On a human. Yeah, too. Not out of face, but in the back of a shoulder. Ah, yeah. Back. Back it. One time. It's Florida. What do you expect? Honestly, fair. We were me and some buddies were sitting at the town doc. And tragically, we had just come to hang out there after a funeral and we're all dressed real fancy and whatever. I don't know what the fuck was going on, but I was trying to get somebody's. Oh, it was my buddy Mike who's trying to touch me and be annoying. And I started to close the window on his arm. And for whatever reason, he was like feeling around. And then he fucking got on my face and then fish hooked and just clawed in and like, it

3:07was not the intention. But we both were so stunned. I feel like I can still feel his fucking finger outline. You know, or you like have a sensation. You're like, I remember the way I felt. It's ingrained. It's dyed in the wool now. Yes. That's tough. Fun stuff. Anyway, philosophy. We're going through the five most commonly asked philosophical questions. Yeah. We're not going to spoil them because you got to listen to the whole thing, my deers. They're going to shake the pillars of our mentality and our grasp on the world and ourselves. Here we come, Socrates. So really the heart and soul behind this episode is we recognize that in our lives, especially into our adult lives, there are just less things that happen that make you take a step back and ask yourself, who am I?

4:08I feel like we all come to this certain weird arrival, fallacy point where you think you've ironed out who you are entirely. Maybe this is just me, but I feel like people behave this way. They're very like, I know exactly who I am. I'm sure you do, but we need to recognize that it's very subject to change and it should be somewhat fluid. And so the heart and soul of why we want to talk about these things is just a tool for listeners to potentially reflect in a way that maybe you have it in some time. If you're remember being 13 and wondering what is the meaning of life, now you can wonder again today if you haven't asked yourself that question. Most people are not. Let's just put it out there. I would put it on the sportsbook that most people are not checking in. A lot of people get it, they're grinding, they're trying to keep a roof over their head, trying to beat the effective inflation, trying to manage their lives with their family and

5:11their kids. But at the end of the day, you are a singular human with singular human interests. And you are going to whether you already have had it, whether it be now, whether it be way down the road at some very emphatic event of your life, you're going to probably ask yourself these questions. It's probably better that you at least check in sooner than later. I can say for myself, probably was much later than necessary or probably as much later than would be truly productive for me to do it. Sure. But yeah, so let's get into it. Yeah, well, let being said, when is the last time that you've asked yourself what do I think the meaning of life is? I would say the most or something in that. It doesn't have to be the fucking quote, but you go right inside. It was in the last year too. Pretty big life deviations, thought I had one thing going and you separate from a career path, a romantic path, whatever it is.

6:13In my case, it was both in tandem. So it really left me wondering, what am I doing? What am I supposed to be doing? And then whatever that next piece is, what does that mean? What does that mean for my life? Is it a good one? Sure. What am I taking away from it in that sense? So yeah, you think everyone's going to have those little fracture moments. Totally. You definitely will. Yeah, and that's not a threat, obviously, but it's just a fact of life. It's just we're in a together and deviation happens. And sometimes you lose bigger than others. And that's when you really like, okay, who am I? And what is the meaning of life? And for me, what I can say is just the act of bettering myself and in doing so, making sure that my effect on other people is a positive one. Yeah. That's pretty much it is just making sure that I am constantly moving forward in my growth

7:18mentally, emotionally, philosophically. But in doing so, I am giving to others more than I'm taking. And I am leaving places or situations better than what I found as best of my ability. Yeah. I feel like that is a good meaning of life. Yeah, without having it be a little aboundary. You're not going to overstep yourself in the pursuit of that. What about you? What is the meaning of the Rona Ferd Grand Tourist III life? I need a necklace with that fucking on it, I think at this point. That's a great name. I think that currently where I stand on the meaning of life, it is to experience. And typically we love to focus on good shit. I want to experience so much. I want to travel and have profound, beautiful moments. Of course you do. So do I. But I want to experience everything.

8:21You can't really know how good something is until you have a bad counterpart to hold it up against you and compare. Just appreciating the statistical impossibility that is existing. Yeah, as life. Yeah. You're the sperm that on the rock in fucking outer space as far as we know. And I think just trying to step back and appreciate existing is the meaning. Good or bad? Yeah, I think that we'll get into that. That is a later question. But obviously I want my life live to yield those same kind of positive fruits to the best of my ability. But I need to not demonize when shit is sour or bad or negative that it's like wrong or not part of life or not part of the experience. Different input. Yep. Yep.

9:22Yeah. So I think the meaning for me is to just acknowledge the experience and the impossibility of it and appreciate it. Yeah, that's profound. Because I think we, I think we all have it. Some boys taking it for granted. To go, we're live. We know we've, as far as we know we've been on this planet for this many, this is just what life is. Yeah. Or it just depends. Yeah. It's, I would agree with that. And I don't, I don't probably tap into that as much as I should. All things considered. I mean, yeah. So each their own. And I think I started thinking about this kind of shit from a very unhealthy place like at a really young age. And having a lot of anxiety and OCD type stuff like it just made me so contemplative and wonder if my reality is even what I think it is and all this kind of stuff. I'm talking about being like fucking 11 and thinking about these things. And so going through, now I feel so simplified in my like, here's my answer.

10:23It's like experience, you know, what's the point? Experience. But yeah, I think it's just a good thing to ask yourself, what's the meaning of life for you? The one other thing I'll add to this and then we can, we can move on if you'd like is feeling like you just acknowledge that experiences are experiences. It makes me feel way less judgmental about the way other people live their life and the way that they choose to define their meaning for their life outside of insane shit like being a Nazi or like embarking on a journey that is like driven by hate and just damning to your fellow man and woman. Correct. Yeah, that doesn't count. Yes, that's an experience. No, don't fucking make that your meaning of life, please. But yeah, it makes me feel way more open to like some people do never get married. Some people want to just like fucking live on the side of a mountain.

11:24I don't want to do that, but they do. And if that's their meaning, like, beautiful, I don't need to judge it or say it could be this or that, I just, that's it. So yeah, anything else to add on that? I don't think so. Okay. Next question. I've asked you this maybe in our 20 questions because clearly it's on my fucking headspins around. Do we have free will? I would like to think yes. I, and this is just put it down to what I believe slash what I feel is I, maybe it was called as symbols like I don't like the fact like I do feel like matrix or not or divine intervention or not. However you're looking at the, you're viewing angle to this kind of question. But yeah, I don't really resonate with the idea that everything is preordained.

12:25That every single choice, every single and I, I say that and we've had this very similar conversation before, but it bears repeating is I have been able to notice more as I look at these kinds of scenarios, that kind of weird quantum, quantum, Tom Foulery of, all right, I'm going to make this decision and I'm going to see. And that could be informing what you're looking for kind of like you buy a new car, you see that car over the place. But if you're not even checking in there, I think that you might be missing some of these things. But in free will, we all make decisions and then we can also see the, the ripple effect of those decisions. And I think having every choice laid out for you and that's just the path you're going to do, whether that be down to a simple conversation or an action toward a human or a life decision, I feel like we have more agency than just like, oh, well, you might feel like you have stuff going on. But like you've already, someone made that choice for you.

13:27Sure. And now whether that be divine, whether that be some other cosmic thing or simulation, however you want to, however you want to make sense of it. Yes. Sliced that pie. I do feel like we have a little bit more agency over what we have rather than just like hands off, you know, whatever just happens to someone else doing that choice for me. Mm hmm. What about you? Um, for many moons, I think I landed on the like, yes, absolutely. We have free will. Yes. That, that like you can choose any which away what your decision is going to be on something. And while I still think that is true, there's a neuroscientist who I follow, Dr. Rachel Barr, who really challenges that notion and suggests that we don't really, because so much of our characteristic and behavior can be assumed based on what you've experienced

14:29with us far that you could basically machine learn and say, this person's probably going to choose this in this scenario. Sure. It doesn't mean that it's in that it's impossible for them not to, but it could be a lapse of like aligning the definition like, are you the one making the choice or is your pre-determined notion of a situation and your lived experience with us far already making the decision for you? Are you calling that separation a lack of free will or is that just like, it gets, it gets very wordy and nitty gritty. So I think ultimately I still believe that yes, you could have, I don't know why I love these types of analogies, but the Klan's member who suddenly is just like, wait a second. I think this is really fucked up. Even though they grew up in it, they're not showing anything different, whatever, not advocating for this by the way. I'm saying that it's very statistically unlikely for this person to have this awakening suddenly.

15:34Is it piphany? Yes. I think that's still possible. Is that what she's talking about as, you know, not having free will in the choice? I don't really know. I need to investigate further, but I've never really heard someone argue it the way that she had as opposed to like a pre-determined, the maze is laid out, motherfucker. Whether you smoke that pigeon or buy that croissant, you're getting to that destination. Even looking at that particular notion too, I don't even know if that's technically a argument against free will other than their for sure is going to be propensities depending on conditioning. So maybe looking at it where if we had true free will, our options are like fractal and geometric in nature, there is an infinite, there's an infinite amount of possibilities. I know bias. Right. Whereas no, like we know that given where you start, when you start, who's around you as

16:35you are starting, there are at least links. Now I think each of those junctures you do have free will. Yeah. I think the idea that that means that there is no free will is a, I'm not a neuroscientist, I can't actually say. I don't think you can be right or wrong. I think yes, people can be in forms and influenced by their surroundings, which then limits the maximum output of possibilities. Yes. But I still think someone is having agency over which lane they're taking. Yeah. I agree. That's a beautiful summary of that. It paints a very clear picture. And then also, if you want to get super murky into it, like this will, well, this is, all right, I'm going to say of what I was about to say for an entry four because for four. Okay. Yeah. I'll remind you, unless it comes back to you. All right. So here's one.

17:36This is, I'm going to ask you this one because this is so relevant to different points of your life. Yeah. Also too, epiphany is you're like, huh? Actually, this isn't quite for me. Sure. And you without giving too much away and foreshadowing, if you, anyone's listened along, you should have known this by now, but you were very deep in one camp and full indoctrination. And now maybe less so. Yep. So does God exist? Yeah. That's a great question. I probably live in the agnostic camp now. I think there's some, there's some form of something. Maybe it's not one. Maybe it's multiple entities or not even necessarily. I know that there is shit more complicated than us that exists. I've had way too many insane, unreasonable experiences to believe otherwise that just

18:40like that there's nothing. But I think religion and the attempt to box something as massive as we think we say a God could be into those walls is unreasonable. But also it's a paradox that's limited by human understanding. Yeah. Like horrendously so. So to think that you can even begin to comprehend and fathom this being that you think is everything that you suggest that they are is quite the conundrum. I will say very recently, and this can be just from my own processing and I'm not in counseling now for this or for anything because I don't need it at the moment. But lately I have felt something in myself shift where I feel less bothered by people

19:48who are religious. In particular like very Christian. And I recognize that part of it was just like a projection of myself and realizing the way that I lived my Christianity was very, very extreme. And then when I saw people not do it the way that I thought you should, I was like you're not even fucking, you don't even mean it. Like I've gone full bore. You haven't even dipped a toe. Right. And now I just feel much more free from caring, but also I don't have the same kind of negative sentiment. But I do think that there is something. I don't know if it's God or if it's a she I think it probably would be a she to be honest with you. But yeah, not a huge fan of organized religion. Where do you land in this camp? Very similar. I minus the missionary work in Brazil.

20:48Sure. And eventually potentially becoming into priesthood. So if anyone did not pick that up that is in Ronnie's head past as he were in seminary ready to do the damn thing to be a man of the cloth. Yes. I mean, is there a different way to put it? No, I just think it's funny. No, yeah, I just wouldn't have said it. The man of the cloth is just great. Yeah. Is that an offensive way to say it? No. Okay. So forgive me, anyone who is in seminary or a priest or a minister. That's the wrong way to say it. So for me, I do think that there is what it is. I don't know, but there are layers above what we have going on. That's probably a form of like non-descript spirituality. And that will probably filter a little bit into our next piece too. For me, organized religion as a whole was a tough thing for me because it was so morally

21:51backwards from where I grew up. Plenty of churches, plenty of religiosity in South Florida. With how most people in South Florida conduct themselves, it's a balkanol and as long as you go and have your confession on Sunday, that should absolve you from everything. But I just watched tons and tons of people make truly deplorable decisions mostly against their fellow neighbors and things. And then say that they walked the path of Christ. And I was like, that really put a bad taste in my mouth. And sure, that's probably, and I will go on record that I don't care if someone's religious or not. Zero. And to make zero consequence to me, as long as you're not doing that, as long as you're not exploiting people around you in regards of where you are in that equation, and that can go even much higher too. That is my main qualm there. I respect and appreciate religion for what it should be in terms of making your fellow

22:51man and woman's life better to introduce and promote stewardship and community and generosity. And I love that. Don't give me your arm. For me, I also am probably more on the agnostic side. Just say, I don't know. I've seen things that I can say, hey, in organized religion, that's a benefit. I can also say that I don't quite jive with that. But again, I have, once you really sit with yourself and again, have more life experiences and really see things that I don't have an answer for that. I can't say I am as cynical as I once was. And I lean, like I will say, agnostic spirituality. Because there's just been, I've allowed my mind to be more open to possibility. And in doing so, I was like, huh, like, I've been very surprised. And so, and some of the best people I've ever met are absolutely religious. Totally.

23:52So it's, it's never, I'm never going to judge someone for that. I think where it gets murky as well too is I, I have met fantastic people from all religions. And I think that is, well, factor into point five that we're talking about today is I, I don't like getting into the missing of words of like, you know, what is the real one or the creation of like I will never, if that's your face, I will never try to step on that. But personally, there's just, there's two and a people at the party with similar, but also conflicting viewpoints. And everyone's kind of arguing a little bit for the same one. Yeah. And it's like, okay, y'all look at the baseline philosophy of it. Talk about making your fellow man a woman's life better. That's it. Is there a god? I don't know. And because you look at multiple belief systems and I'm sure some of it, oh, like your offense walkers like pick one, but it's like, you don't know. Like there's monotheist religions, there's polytheist religions.

24:54It's like, where do you, where do you go? Yeah. Who has a right? I don't know. Yeah. I, I don't really care to me and her to be honest. Sure. I think that there's things levels to this bigger than what we can process as humans. I agree. Do I think whatever you're going to fully understand it? Probably not. I agree. So that's kind of why I land. It's a bit like, like, it is what it is. Yeah. If you can be a good human, I don't care what you believe in. Yeah. Yeah. And if you need that to help guide you and tell you into better choices, please, sure, please, don't do the opposite for sure, especially. Yes. Is so. Yeah. So again, it's, it's a live, let live for me. It's, you know, it's not that deep rooted in me. Like I am not a faith practicing person. Sure. I can appreciate the possibilities of all. Yeah. And that is a marked change from where I started. Yeah. Because it was, it died in the will cynic. Yeah. It's like people are people and that's it. Yep. And you're either good or bad and your actions and your words speak enough.

25:57Yeah. But there is more to it than that. And I have witnessed, like I said, kind of going full circle of witness things in the world. And just like, you can't really quantify it. Like something, something's up. But that's, this is the point of what we're, why we're even talking about any of this is exactly what you just described, like, and what I shared. Like that we have to keep doing this for ourselves and like with each other because you can't just stay put. You can't stay stuck and stagnant. You got to keep sort of rocking the boat a little bit and keep some wonder, keep some guessing, keep some surprise. And otherwise you just get to fucking tunnel vision and you're going to miss so much of life. Agreed. And I will, again, I will not remotely claim that my way is the best way. And I will fully acknowledge that I've had several loved ones, friends, family members, either convert from one religion to another and have their life remarkably change for the better or just find face at some point in their life.

26:58And that was the missing piece. So get in where you fit in, honestly, wherever works. And like if that relationship with whatever God or religion or if that's the piece, please, and you're having a happy full life. Yeah. Yeah. Rip for sure. Yeah. Love it. Next up. We lost in this one. I think I am probably not the right person to answer this because I'm like, well, let's go. Let's go. I can go, dude. What is reality or what is real? Who the fuck knows? So it's tough because we are a processing computer in a world of non-descript inputs. Yeah. That gives us material space that we assign meaning to. Correct. So what the hell does that even mean? Yeah. And then that again, too, can play into. You sound like Tim Robbins in there for a second.

28:00It's like an idea. So what the hell does that even mean? Yeah. Correct. And this is where things get tricky because you can get lost in the sea of your mind and analyzing this. And at some points, like what does it even all matter at that point? Yeah. So it becomes this one. Yeah. This one, I'd say, be gentle with. Yes. Because I, it's like inception. You get too many layers deep and you start worrying about stuff and you just, you, you can get. Really nihilistic, really fast. Yes. Yeah. Agreed. And that's not what we're advocating. No, no, no, no. But these are still check ins with yourself. And this needs to be talked about. Yep. But yeah. So one of the craziest books that I ever read was called the holographic universe. Talking about multi-dimensionality, talking about how complex the brain is and how much of its singular potential is kind of everywhere all at once.

29:02So they have severed or removed up to 80, 90% of a particular function of the brain. And it still acts at 80% capacity. You know, whether it be complex functions, recall, optic things. So, and then they also did talking about the, what is even reality is they did tests with like, furrier waveforms where if I showed you a picture of an apple, your brain does nothing. But if I give your brain or your optic nerve, the wave transform of what an apple would be, you start seeing things compute. So we could just be some a mass of processing power in a sea of waves of all things that just gives us a reality to have an assigned thing to you. You don't know. What is real? Who the fuck knows? It makes your head spin. Yeah. If you can, if you start to really grasp what we're talking about with this, yeah, you, you got to be a little careful.

30:03Otherwise, you can go a little crazy. Yeah. You can start to go into, yes, it's really quick. Some wild fucking zones where it can be put you in a panic, like lots of crazy stuff. What do you think? Yeah. You know, I think as I've gotten older as my relationship with spiritual duality and the lens that any kind of religion or thing like that tries to give us of what our reality is and what the meaning of life is. And then as I've parted ways with some of that style of thinking and recognize that things like the mantis shrimp exist and that the way that it can see in 3D through two separate eyes that basically can make like almost 4D, not quite, but

31:03the colors that we don't see, the sounds that we don't hear, the frequencies and vibrations that we don't feel, or least consciously. Like what we think is the full picture is not. And so to you have to behave and live as though I know this is the ground and there's a chair here and I'm not going to fall and my brain believes all these things and there's light coming from over there and blah blah blah and I can hear your voice and breathing and whatever. Like, yeah, you live there and you don't have to think about it. It just happens. But there's so much more that is always happening that you have no fucking idea about. So my my issue is that to be under the assumption that what we are perceiving is the full breath of reality is so wrong. Sure. So just you need to acknowledge that and appreciate it. This isn't like an opinion.

32:04Like, this is correct. In this case, you can believe whatever thing you want about other stuff. This is truth. What that means for us like is still unfolding, right? Like tying in prayer and religion stuff again. What happens on a cosmic level or a quantum mechanical level with prayer? We'll talk about the electronic experiment and, you know, God particles and things like that here and there and like. There's so much shit that we just have no idea about. I forget the exact percentage too, but and I don't know if it's necessarily a difference in either prayer or meditation, but one or both. It's I think it's prayer, but it might also be adjacent to meditation is regular prayer at a pretty market increase in hippocampus size in the brain.

33:06Yeah, which is and also like what is the what is the physical impact of that time and practice physically on the thing that you are sending it to or or guiding it towards, right? Because it there can be quantifiable changes. Sure. This is something that we've studied and I don't think so at length. I know there's been some stuff, but hey, how do you they're variables around that? But the whole point is when you get real caught up in how something might really suck because that's when you need the biggest boost. Remember that like it's pretty small in the grand scheme of not and I'm not minimizing somebody suffering. I'm saying zoom out and remember like this is not the full picture. Go for your manifesting shit. Like be a little weirder. Let yourself go there. Like you you don't have it all figured out and you never will. So just like experiment. Sure.

34:06And like open up a little bit, see what the fruits of life can bear and on random exploration. Yeah. The externally or internally. What are your thoughts on reconciling? I liked how you talked about how different animals have different sensory sensitivities. Yes. What are your thoughts? How do you reconcile the fact that we are one of maybe one potentially two creatures? I'm lumping us in with primates, but one or two possible creatures that can imagine life outside their personal reality. How does that feel to you that we have this incredible computational power with a limited sensory equipment skill set? Yeah, I think that the that trade is necessary. I also think that the superiority we express is unwarranted.

35:06Fair. You're going to fucking drown in the ocean. The shark isn't. Yeah. Right. Like there's some shit you're built for. There's some shit that you're not. To respect and appreciate all living things is like a must. I think it goes on to the same kind of again, what can we sense? Like, and what do animals pick up on? And how much of this stuff can you even tap into? Sure. Quite a bit, I think. Have you ever heard of the telepathy tapes? So I think it started off as a podcast. I remember the first season was talking about. If I'm not mistaken, children with special needs and the way that they communicated with their parent or guardian, and they basically are showcasing like telepathic communication. Very clearly, like it's not like, oh, this could be. It's like, nope, this is happening. This is how we talk. Like they let me know this thing and they go in and interview a bunch of parents and families that have kids

36:11that can understand what their parents are thinking from different rooms. And they test it a lot. And then as the seasons progress, I believe the most recent season has somebody who can like talk to animals. Somebody, actually, there was a video that I saw as a comedian, actually, who does mind reading shit, but he gets like pictures allegedly. And he does it with his audience. And I forget the guy's name, but it was so I got so fucking lost on his page. I was just like, this is fascinating. And can I do this? And some woman shared a story that she went to the home because the sister-in-law thought that their sister was cheating on the husband. And when she got there, the sister-in-law who called this person who's in the audience to come over, got information from the dog about the positions and all the things that like what the sister that was having the affair was doing.

37:18And that they called them in because the dog started behaving differently towards the woman who was cheating. And like the fuck is wrong with the dog? That's not sick. They took us to the vet, whatever. And they're like, let's try an animal psychic. And the dog was like, I hate this bitch. Like, I can't be the same friend with her. Like she's cheating with this other guy. Like I think comes in five times a week. Like vivid, like clear information. How she's getting it, I have no idea. My point is whether or not that's real, I tend to believe like it is. Because I don't really know why there's certain shit that's like, I don't know, was she cheating? Yeah, apparently. Yeah. How the fuck did you find out? The dog told me. Yeah, the dog's a fucking dog told me. You're too loud. That's farting and crying while you're, you know, dude. So all this shit to say, dude, like we just don't know. Just enjoy the fucking ride.

38:18Try to try to open your third eye and your fourth at the same time. And you know, just hold the dog catch you exactly. He will tell. He doesn't like it when you do that. I mean, I think it's a pretty good segue to our last philosophical quandary of how do we truly define right and wrong? Okay. Here's a question for you. I asked you a question first. But my question is the answer to this question. You can't answer a question with a question. All right. How do we define what's right and wrong? You decide if you think it's guided by society or if we're born with a moral compass, okay. I tend to think it's probably a mixed bag. The question is if you grew up and murder and extreme violence were the norm, would you feel differently than you do about it today?

39:19Of course. You can't help the conditioning side of that. Right. That's the nature versus nurture thing. Right. So then yeah, how do you decide what is right and wrong? Well, I think this is going way back or even just looking at us on a species level. I think we are and we've talked about this briefly before is I believe innately we are curious beings. If you dropped a bunch of us in at one time in some random reality, I think we're going to be neutral leaning good. It's going to be interesting. It'll be because again, we're going to look for common good in the sense of, I don't think we should break out Nakedos and last person survives. It's not that I don't think it's in the base programming of human survival. So are there anomalies? Sure. Kind of that may be mutated through tons of generational cultural programming.

40:19Absolutely. We see it all the time. But I think by nature, neutral leaning curiously good, yep. And I think it's taken thousands of thousands of years of developing more selfish instincts, less communal behavior, more independence. And I think twofold has happened. One, it's if you look probably back, I would imagine even down to chromagnon times caveman stuff, your right and wrong was just a majority rule thing. If you did something, if you fucked around or found out, people like, I was like, we're going to club you to death. I was kind of rad. We can do that. And then you figured out, but then that's just this kind of moving target test bed. Where like, oh, no, you, you, you, you, I don't like that. Yeah. You fucked up, see, man, you're going. We're talking off the cliff. And then as we started to evolve, then we had the emergence of various religions,

41:25depending on how you look and look at history and what history you believe in. Yeah. So I think it is informed by a multiple millennia of humans figuring it out. And that changing our genetic predisposition. Yeah. And then that is mostly then been further manipulated. Good, bad otherwise, by different religions. Yeah. And once they indoctrinate, it's like, this is what it is. Yeah. Now for me, I have never been faith based. I have never, they, no one has ever indoctrinated me into a belief or rash and now system based on a religion or what Christ or God or any God would do. Now in a vacuum, is that just normal morality without the influence or religion? Or is that just a downstream effect of religion sometime several thousand years ago?

42:25I don't know. My moral compass has never been on boarded by faith. My parents just were very good. But I would consider very good people, very conscientious people. And we're always considerate to their fellow man and woman and their neighbor. That's how they raise me. But I've also had conversation with people that are absolutely faith based. And I'm like, well, how do you, how do you juggle right and wrong? Like you don't have, you know, religion to guide you. It's like you don't have to. And if you do, great. But that just was not how I was raised. And I would like to think I have a pretty good moral compass. So it's probably a hot pot of human history. Yeah. All things considered. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's by totally agree. The outcome that we would have in those types of norms of, yep, you did that. You get executed. If that's just what you're used to, then you're probably not going to have a lot of feelings about it. Sure. It can be very hard to imagine those things. I think because people don't do these types of thought experiments frequently.

43:27And so they're like, no, this is how I, this is my body reaction to the thought of that. I'm like, yeah, I know. That's because that's not a reality right now. If you had lived in that and again, generational effect and the trauma and belief systems pass down from Mima and people at times 50 like that shits in your gene somewhere. Sure. So and which way does it lean? Yeah. And how do you tell? I think is a, again, an ever unfolding answer. Some shit for some people is wrong for them sometimes, right? Is it right and wrong? How do you decide the right and wrong for an alcoholic? Right? It's probably fucking wrong for you to drink. Your family's going to suffer, right? Is it wrong to drink alcohol? No. But in certain people's lives and context, it, the meaning changes, right? So I also think to you, you've got a good point of like, well, if your entire reality is

44:28wrought with violence and murder and all that kind of stuff, I mean, there's plenty of cultures that we, you and I cannot relate to. Yeah. You know, there are cannibal cultures out there. There are incredible changes in how the balance of power between the sexes are and what sort of corporal violence there will be on a governmental level. Yes. Oh my God. Yeah. So it's, you don't really, it's all what your condition to your, your cultural upbringing, all of that. So it's hard to say. And I think it really comes down to how close the opposing party is to your proximity. Yeah. Because if someone then was like, oh, I think, you know, eating kids or, you know, murdering people in the streets totally fine. You're like, what are you talking about? I don't. Right. But I feel like that the extremes are there both by contrast and by proximity.

45:29Yeah. And that is also culturally shifted around too. Totally. certain things probably allowed to exist. You know, if you're talking about some tribe that very rarely has any sort of outside contact, then that is their morality. Yeah. We can't relate to it. It's also not up to us to be like, Hey, you're doing it wrong. Right. Doing what? Yeah. That's a, that's a, this is a tough philosophical plate because as the, people that feel like we are more philosophically or morally involved. Yep. We then want to encroach and spread our doctrine. And like, this is what you could be having, but like certain battles are just not yours. Facts. Just saying. Yeah. So yeah, some fun shit for you to chew on. I'm not sure. I know that you're driving home on Friday. It is one of the fucking milestone. What is real? I don't know. I drive in this other lane. Am I good? Yes. I don't do that. Yeah. No, not on coming. Yeah. The open lane. No, I think in all of this, it's, it's good to have the thought experiment to make your brain

46:31sweat a little bit. Yep. And try to wrestle with some of those heavier concepts. Yeah. Make you feel a little like uncomfortable and weird. Yeah. And I think a lot of people might be like, well, what relevance does it have? I'm just trying to like live and keep my family fed and all that kind of stuff. But still, it's, there's, there's more, more than just working. To live and then living to die pretty much. Agreed. So think about it. Start thinking about some stuff. Yeah. And Holler, if you go down a, a little mentee B, we're here with you, holding your, your hair back and, you know, letting you vomit out in the toilet. But thanks for being here. We love you. We'll catch you next time on the long of thick baby. Bye.