AM Show Hr 3 | 9/11 Remembrance and Personal Heroism

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2:02Get it, Lumen. I'm coming to join you. So I asked the question about it's pronounced Micah. Turns out I asked the question about this dust material that was on the folks on 9-11. DR Westbrook says it's pronounced Micah. We used it at the refinery in old ocean Texas where I worked for 35 and a half years. Robert Calhoun writes it's used in industrial applications like gaskets for its high heat resistance. Debbie Kay says Micah as in mic.

3:07Then I looked it up says Micah's or a group of silicate material, who's outstanding physical characteristic is that individual Micah crystals can easily be split into fragile elastic plates. This characteristic is described as perfect basal cleavage from own perfect basal cleavage. Micah is common in igneous and tata. Micahs are used in products such as drywalls, paints and fillers especially in parts for automobiles, roofing and in electronics. Mineral is used in cosmetics and food to add shimmer or frost. So I thought, oh, I bet that's where we get for Micah must be a type of Micah. So I looked it up. For Micah Laminate is a composite material invented at the Westinghouse Electric Corporation in these United States in 1912.

4:09Originally used to replace Micah in electrical applications, it has since been manufactured for multiple applications. It has been produced by 4 Micah group manufacturing sites across the globe ever since. 4 Micah group are best known for the company's classic product, a heat resistant white clean laminate of paper with melamine resin. The mineral Micah was commonly used at that time for electrical insulation. Because this new product acted as a substitute for Micah, the inventors used the name for Micah as a trademark. I've been nurtured my daughter's love of sports and we did our best. The hell was that? I told you don't clean unloaded pots or loaded pots during the show. That's what happens if people get hurt. The word already existed as the scientific name for a genus of wood ants from which 4 Mic acid and the derivative formaldehyde compound used in the resin were first isolated.

5:22That is what it's like to be my wife or child at the dinner table when I learned something new and go, I got to hear this, you got to hear this, you got to hear this. Remember we were talking about Micah this morning? Remember we were talking about Micah? I looked it up. It's really, really interesting. You're going to love this story. Dad, can we not? No, no, no, no, no, you're going to want to hear this. You are definitely going to want to hear this. It's really good. Dad, let's not do this right now. Yeah, no, no, we're going to do it right now. It's kind of, one day you remember this story, one day you didn't think. Man, I actually knew that. My dad told that story. I forgot because I wouldn't pay attention. But I remember my dad telling that story like 30 years ago. Yeah, because that's how that happens, Ramon. That's how these things happen. Dave Karnes was 42 years old and he was an accountant at a firm in Connecticut.

6:26He'd done 23 years in the Marine Corps and he was out. Staff Sergeant retired, Sutent High now, spread sheets, air conditioning indoors, low stress. He watched the second plane hit on the television at that office and he turned to the room and said, we are at war. Now, here's what that man did next in order. He told his boss, he might not be back for a while. He drove to his church and prayed specifically that God would lead him to somebody still alive. Then he drove to a barber shop in Stanford, Connecticut, sat down in the chair and said, give me a good Marine Corps squared off haircut. Then he went home and put on the camouflage utilities. He still kept pressed and started his closet. On why he kept them, he said, it's kind of weird to do, but it comes in handy. He grabbed rope and repelling gear and a K bar knife out of a storage unit and he pointed his car at New York City. He got waved through every checkpoint between Connecticut and ground zero because he put the top down so he could see the haircut.

7:31So they could see the haircut in the uniform. He got there about 530 that evening and on that pile, he ran into another man in marine utilities. Sergeant Jason Thomas, been out of the corps about a month. He was on Long Island dropping his daughter off his mother's house when it happened and he kept his uniform in his truck. Two Marines who had never met at dark, they pulled the rescuers back off that pile because it wasn't safe. And those two men walked out into it anyway, they hollered into the wreckage United States Marines. If you can hear us yell or tap for about an hour, nothing. Then Karen said, be quiet. I can hear something 20 feet down under the concourse. Two port authority police officers were buried in a freight elevator shaft. Sergeant John McLaughlin and a rookie named Will Hameino, one year on the job. Hameino yelled up, don't leave us. Those Marines found them. Other men dug them out. Took three hours to get Hameino out most of the night to get McLaughlin and it was done by NYPD emergency service in a paramedic, mostly by hand.

8:35But they'd have never dug at all because nobody knew anybody was under there. Two of the 20 people pulled out alive from that pile because an accountant got a haircut and couldn't stop serving our country. These are the people the Democrats will tell you are a threat to this country. They happen to be white male servicemen for veterans. It's time we stop letting them be called the bad guys. These are the heroes among us. I've always thought Alicia Keys' music was remarkable because it doesn't follow the cookie cutter format. I think her brain is more advanced. I think her musical sense is more developed. They're very complex arrangements. The way... The unit who does that in Texas country music? Believe it or not? Roger Craigor. Roger Craigor songs.

9:38I haven't found all wrong. Give having fun all wrong. You realize, wait a second, this does not follow the traditional format. How a song is very, very complex. You know I like to insinuate myself into stories remote. So I'll just tell you that I was hiking. I was about to begin hiking in Colorado. And yeah, I know how you know it because they'll tell you. Okay, but it's part of the story. She's coming down off the mountain. I'm heading up. Alicia. Yeah. And she's got her head down because she doesn't want to be recognized. She doesn't have very much makeup on, but she has a little bit on. And I look at her and I give her the nod. Yeah, I know who you are, but I'm not going to bother you. Could we just take a self-know I didn't do it. And she gave me the nod back. Now I've chosen to interpret that nod as, well, I know who you are.

10:40And I'm a super fam. Now I don't know if that's what she intended by that. It might have been, I mean, it could have been, I got your message. You know who I am, but you're not going to bother me. And I'm grateful for that because I'm a vain black woman whose hair is not done, whose not wearing much makeup. And I've just come down off the mountain and I'm sweaty and I'm tired. And I'm not in the any mood to talk to anybody. So I appreciate that you're not going to bother me. It had been better if you didn't do the nod to tell me that so that I have to be reduced to acknowledging the nod. So that could have been the other thing she was saying. But I choose to believe that what she was saying was that first thing. Yeah. 9-11-2001 was Sheila Moody's second day, 42 year old, civilian accountant in the Army budget office. First floor of the Pentagon, the West side. You want to put into perspective how big tariff app is going to be?

11:43I'm going by memory, but I think this is right. The Mall of America is 5.5 million square feet. The Pentagon is 6.5 million square feet, largest office building in the world. 6.5. The gigatexis in Bastrop is 10 million square feet. Tariffab is projected to be 100 million square feet. She's working in the Pentagon, the West side newly renovated wedge again earlier story. She had reported in on Monday. Tuesday was her second day of work. She got to work at 6.30 in the morning. Her words, it was just my second day there. I hadn't a clue where the closest exit was. Why would you? You just started. A little after 9-9, a coworker named Louise Kurtz came around and her cubicle and told her a plane had hit the World Trade Center. 10 seconds later, she heard an engine. Quote, then the whole building just shook. A burst of hot air came through.

12:43It hit my face so hard I had to shut my eyes. When I opened my eyes, a fireball was passing to the right of me so close that I could have stuck my hand out and told her I had to shut my hand out and touched it. I heard a few screams and then it was very quiet. You know, you hear the term, deafening silence, right? But it's not until a moment like that. A good movie can capture that moment. There's nothing like being in it. Like that feeling, it's hard to replicate, hard to explain. The sound of silence, the powerful sound of nothing. Everything around her was burning. She had no idea which way was out so she climbed up on a pile of debris and tried to punch out the window. It was a blast, resistant glass, and they had just installed it in the wage that part of the Pentagon where she was stationed, where she was deployed, working. I left a handprint of blood on the window.

13:45That's when I realized I was bleeding. She decided she was going to go die. She was going to die that day. And she said so out loud. I don't believe you brought me here to die like this. That's the shades of Reverend James Cleveland. I don't feel my waist tired. Okay, Hillary. And she heard a man's voice. She called out, I'm here. And he said, I can't see you. She said, I can't see you either, but we're here. Please keep coming. Then the smoke took her voice. That's like a bad dream. You know that dream where you're trying to scream out and you can't. Oh, man. She was doubled over coffin and she couldn't make a sound. A man was in the room looking for her and she had no idea how to tell him where she was. She clapped. She kept clapping. Of the roughly three dozen people in that office, three came out alive. Chris Brahmins said this about the whole thing. I prayed to go in that building and she was praying to come out and God answered both our prayer.

14:45It's the most very show. Man. I think about how many young men after this day, 25 years ago, who have the mindset. These are the kind of guys. These are the sheep dogs in society. They're a very small percentage of society and in any society for that matter. They saw what happened and they didn't. Tisk, Tisk isn't that unfortunate and go back to work. They quit their jobs. If you heard the discussion we had with RC Slokom the other day, he told the story about coach Ted Jeffries. Ted Jeffries had coached Bum Phillips. Was it Bear Bryant? Who else had he coached a number of? It was Bear Bryant, wasn't it? They won the state championship on December 6th.

15:46December 7th, of course, the day which will live in M.F.A. Pearl Harbor is attacked. In December 8th, he and the boys on his team go down and sign up to go serve in war. You think about how many Marcus the Trails, how many people didn't keep a diary that you'll never hear their story. They're walking around right now with the tattoo of their buddy they lost in Iraq or Afghanistan on their arms. So they never forget. You think about how many guys the age of my boys, Michael T. and Crockett. How many young men had just finished high school and were going off to college. We're going to trade school, had started a work and dad's plumbing business, whatever they were doing. And they saw this and they said, here am I, send me.

16:47It's a special kind of person with special values. It's a special kind of people. Your society has to have them. And I don't want to say I don't want to make this political because everything is political. But so I don't mind making it political and I don't mind blurring the lines because it's the unwillingness to do so that it allowed the nonsense to run them up. But these are the people that the Barack Obama's have insulted Donna Shalala, his cabinet secretary said the greatest threat to America's white male, white Christian males coming home from war. Who don't trust the government? Oh, okay. Well, that's who our terrorists are. That's why Timothy McVeigh was such a wrapped Christmas present to them because it had you believe that every person coming home from war is a potential terrorist.

17:48In fact, like Tolerico, they see terrorists in Christians, in good people, in veterans, in our neighbors. But they see good people in terrorists and terror supporters and terror threat nurse. Isn't that crazy how that works? And too many of our people are unwilling to realize that dog bites and potentially to our detriment. If we're not bold enough to see it for what it is. If we're not willing to offend some people. Because it is real. 9-11 was real. There was no political correctness about that. It was real. Whatever happened, why ever it happened? For whatever reason. These things... These things cannot be wished away, smiled away, kindness away.

18:53Brian Swinney was 38 out of Barnes Stable, Massachusetts, Ramon, on Cape Cod. I never tell you my mother said, Massachusetts. That's how she pronounced Massachusetts. Massachusetts. He'd been a Navy fighter pilot. He taught at the Navy Fighter Weapon School. What you and I would call top gun. He got hurt in an accident in the 90s, a few years before this. He was medically discharged and he went to work for a defense contract. Flew out to LA about one week a month. That's why he was on United Flight 175 that Tuesday morning. Routine trip. He'd done it a dozen times, probably more. At 8.58 that morning from the back of a hijack airplane, Brian Swinney called his wife Julie at home. She didn't pick up. She was at work. She taught high school. So he left a message on the answering machine. 21 seconds. By the way, if you go to the museum in New York, the 9-11 museum, you hear the voices of people who called home from those planes.

19:57There's nothing I can tell you that describes hearing their voices. I found myself just tears streaming now on my face thinking of that person who's about to die. But also thinking about their husbands or wives, their children. Thinking how many times they went back and heard that. It's a powerful thing if you've lost a dear love one. It's a powerful thing to hear their voice after they've done. Jules, this is Brian. Listen, I'm on an airplane that's been hijacked. If things don't go well and it's not looking good, I just want you to know I absolutely love you. I want you to do good. Go have good times. Same to my parents and everybody. And I just totally love you. And I'll see you when you get there. Bye, babe. I hope I call you. One minute later, he calls his mother Louise. And he got her alive. She picked up. Mama will always pick up. Told her the plane was hijacked. The passengers were talking about storming the cockpit.

21:00Three minutes after that at 903 AM, United 175 went into the South Tower and his mother watched it happen on television. I want you to hear what's actually in that message because it is not panic. That man knew. He said so. He said it's not looking good. He's 38 years old. He has a wife. He married two years ago and he has about four minutes to live at that moment. What does he do with him? He tells her to go have good times. Do good. Tell her his parents, even though he would reach his mother when he hangs up. And he didn't know that at that time. And then he tells her he'll see her when he gets there. You ever think about that? You have just a moment with no preparation what you would tell your husband or wife. Julie Swini would be pulled out of her classroom that morning by a phone call from her mother-in-law. So Louise, who he reached his own mother, would call and say, please pull her out of class on it, Doctor.

22:06She knew he was dead before she ever heard his voice. So when she hears that message, she already knows he has died. She kept that. He would release it later. She said, I embrace his message with all that I had and I'm living life as I know he would want me to do. I'm in my package and you get it all. Mitchel Berry Blocking Hood, Pins, Jonesville, a state from the ordinary. Why did 9-11 happen? Or how did it happen? Depends on what you believe happened, people who think it was an inside job. have a natural predisposition typically to distrust our government. I strongly suggest you distrust our government. But those people who do that, it's difficult to have them as fellow travelers because they are by nature contrariants. So what happens with these people,

23:10when they're not their own worst enemies, what happens is that they will proffer their position and wait for you to call them crazy where upon they pounce. I don't think they're crazy, but that's not enough. You can't just not think they're crazy because the point of their very existence is to explain why everything you hear is not true. I actually believe everything you hear is not true. But what they want you to do is call them crazy where upon they can say, no, you're crazy, you're naive, or they want you to dismiss them because you really don't care enough to argue, which a lot of people will do, including their spouse, where upon they will pounce over your unwillingness to pay attention to do this. And I have this tendency with regard to COVID. I'm this same person with regard to COVID. But I think it's healthy, very healthy, to be

24:11skeptical of everything you hear. Did FDR set us up to enter World War II? I don't think he called Japan and said drop the bombs in Pearl Harbor. But I do believe that there were intentions carried out to make us more vulnerable to such an attack. I do believe that the Japanese attack, which, by the way, it wasn't a shock. We had cut off their supply line, their fuel supply line. There was a provocation to war. I'm not saying it was okay. I'm not saying our grandfather's died because they deserved it. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you go back and read the historical account, it's not at all surprising that they bombed. It's not at all surprising that they would engage in an act of war, whatever that may be, Pearl Harbor made the most sense.

25:13Disabling our Pacific fleet when you're trying to reestablish your fuel lines, yeah, it's a preemptive strike. Yes, I do believe. At some point, you've got to trust some reliable account and make a decision based on what you think of it. Is it all together possible? Does it make sense? Ocomes Razor. Does it make sense that FDR was trying to get us into the war? Yes, Winston Churchill was begging him daily, and Churchill was convincing. It was carrot not steak, but yes, I do believe FDR wanted us in the war. Yes, I do believe that that was a way to do that. I think there were other, the sinking of American ships with German U-boats and submarines, and I do think there were provocations to get the Germans to attack. You don't have to agree,

26:17and you can think I'm crazy for that. That's perfectly, I'm okay with that. I want people struggle with that. We don't have to agree on everything. The truth is, I don't know. I do find some very troubling aspects to 9-11 that do not look entirely organic in nature. 19 young men, young Saudis, how they ended up here, what they were doing while they were here. The role of FBI informants who turned out to be leaders of the FBI, including Mueller, the intelligence that was said to have been passed, the individuals that were involved. I don't know the answer. I don't see a disturbing detail and immediately rush to the conclusion someone else needs me to, but I also don't see a disturbing detail and assume that it's just a strange coincidence. In my 55 years, I've lived through enough to understand. There were black men as part of the

27:18Tuskegee experiment who believed they were getting a shot that would help them, but in fact, they were being injected with syphilis and they suffered because of it. I don't think it would be wise on your deathbed to assume the government wouldn't do that to you. The government is human beings and human beings are by nature evil. That's why we have laws. That's why we have morals to prevent us from doing what we are naturally capable and often predisposed to doing. But I say, I'll let's say this. How did we have a situation where these 19 men who had given every indication that they were up to no good could carry this out if in fact that's what happened? Because nobody wants to be the one to be accused of being against Muslims, because nobody wants to say that that guy or that group seems to be up to no good because somebody who might very well be part of the terror cell will say, you just don't like young Muslim men. And then other people will say, oh, we don't want

28:23to be accused of that because we don't mind having our country attacked. What we don't want is to be said to be against Muslims. We don't mind a George Floyd raping, pillaging, committing a crime which he was in the middle of. We just don't want to ever be called racist. We don't mind our kids being exposed to grown men with their weenered dangling out declaring they're a girl dolled up in makeup, dancing for our kindergarten or at school. We just don't want to be called anti-trans. I think about the people who died on that day, 9-11, 2001. And I think, wow, what would that person say that 25 years later, we are afraid to express ourselves in this country? I don't care what you express. I don't. I don't care if you hate Jews, Muslims, Christians, white people. I believe in the power of expressing yourself. And some people in this country do Muslims who say they hate Christians,

29:29Hassan Pekers got in rich off of it. Imams who are who are teaching and online. Imams who taught the guy who went to Fort Hood and shot the place up because it's a gun-free zone. So our soldiers were murdered while serving our country in a gun-free zone by a Muslim who was radicalized by a Muslim in this country. But dear God, let's not say anything about that because we're all really worried that the Muslims are going to be targeted. They never are. It's Christians, it's Americans because we sit idly by so afraid of offending somebody and watching people jump from towers as a result of it. And yet we still can't do anything about it. We go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but our own country is burning. That didn't make us any safer. What the hell were we doing over there? What was accomplished?

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