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0:00We're headed to the great white way. The great white North Kyle B. Scott got a Canada will be with us to discuss the latest in the terror wars between the US and Canada. McWatson stops in first hour Sarah and Jesse those are the two Elk Hunters who did it. Did a girl's only hunt trip they both knocked down their cow elk within minutes of each other and they enjoyed the experience. They're straight out of Wisconsin. They said it reminded them of deer hunting in Wisconsin in a way.

1:02But way more fun, right? Tyler Limholm. He'll be on the show to chat about President Trump's announcement last week that he wanted to break up the nasty meatpacking monopolies. But what has he done so far and what is the game plan? Nobody knows. Mike Gilmore saw his whiskey or bourbon or whatever to cry. In fact, that's my first question. What's the difference between Rye whiskey bourbon? Mike Gilmore has got his own bottle spirits going on and he found it in Ireland. He's straight out of Pindale. Jared Petrine will talk UW sports. Cowboys need to reset after losing the border war. They got the home opener. No time to dwell on the pass. We got to get ready for Northern Colorado.

2:02Todd Parfitt. Wyoming GEQ director is retiring after 32 years. He'll chat with us about his plans of riding off into the sunset and Marshall Sass. Has an incredible business. He started up in the garage and is now one of the five final finalists. Five final finalists. Is that right in the Freedom 250 Patriot pitch competition? His idea, his game plan. I don't well, he'll have to explain it to us. He has something to do with ship parts like shipping vessels, but I don't know. It's beyond me, man. Marshall congrats and I hope you win the whole thing. If he does, I think it's like a million dollar prize. We'll get with Marshall later today. So many, many guests, much to do.

3:03And a weather forecast that looks very much like yesterday. Like nice. I'm going to do my pool day tomorrow. I already booked it. So as soon as the show ends tomorrow, I am off to the pool. Maybe the last summer day at the pool. Read a book, take a plunge, can't wait. It'll be a good day for it. But first today, really nice day. Got tropical moisture coming our way for the weekend. So enjoy these red flag warning until Thursday night. And Casper is just warm sunny, dry, windy, 81 in Casper. Same for lander, 81 fire weather watch in Evanston until about seven tonight. Sunny 77 just. Boom, dry.

4:04Fire weather watch in Rock Springs sunny 79, Pine Dale freeze warning. Here's. There you go. There's the state of Wyoming in a nutshell. Freeze warming to start the day in Pine Dale. Fire watch from noon to seven. And wind gust and high 74 with sun. Freeze warning and after this morning as well. High 75 sunny breezy and dewboys. Low 70s Jackson freeze warning. I'll say it's 30 degrees start the day today. I got a jack and a. Is I cannot turn off the ceiling fan. I can't get it. It has a remote. And I can't get it to turn off. So. Dang sunny 75 in Jackson. Thermopolis 82 sunshine. Cody sunny 80. Buffalo sunny 75. That's a Joe Nichols song. Sunny 78 in Sheridan. Sunshine 78 in Gillette.

5:06Sunny in 82 in. Toring to. 81 and Douglas plenty of sunshine. Sunny breeze in the state capital. Shia and 77 high. I think that's where you were yesterday as well. Double down on that 77. Laramie same. And Roland sunny breezy 76. So very. Similar ish conditions ranging from low 70s to low 80s across the state depending on elevation and. Whether you're west or east of the divide. And starting a day with a freeze warning. Starting the day with frost ice on the windshield. If you got to leave early in the morning for work in some towns. You're going to be using the ice scraper for the first time. Yet later that day we're in a fire watch. Come on.

6:07That's Wyoming. Stories in the Cowboys Day daily. I'm going to talk with Mac Watson later and I'll ask him whether I'll ask him straight up. Mac you're the news voice for Cowboys Day daily. How much are you getting paid by flock. Last couple of days, looting today too. Not just one right two stories. About how license plate readers save the day. This is to make up for presumably stories previously were. Glenn rock didn't want license plate readers and this town was considering getting rid of them and meanwhile everybody's putting garbage bags over them shooting them spray painting them. Nobody wants the license plate readers. It's an invasion of privacy. And then suddenly those stories are gone.

7:09Replace by stories of this one license plate readers taken our to locate Iowa murders suspect near Cheyenne. Yay. Block saves the day. Huh? And that was yesterday or the day before there was another one of that license plate readers. Able to catch a bad guy who was trying to drive off with some teenager he had abducted or met up with online. Kidnap six year old boy found safe in Evanston. Mama rested. Is that a flock reader one? No, maybe. I know there was two of them today. License plate readers catch. Yeah. And there was one yesterday about how license plate readers found some dude. Yeah, a lot of crime stories today.

8:10Casper woman accused trying to outrun police with a five year old in the car. High speed chase. What do people think they're going to get away? Really? Has anyone I guess people do get away or you wouldn't try it? For some time to police break off the chase because it's dangerous. But look, they got your license plate. They got your making model. They'll find you eventually with a license plate reader. Why run? This woman said she was afraid they would take her child. Some people are just afraid at cops to the point where as soon as they see a cop of the rearview mirror they start sweating bullets. There might not be guilty of anything but that's their relationship with law enforcement. Adversarial or fearful. Is five oh, it's a fuzz. And they just go into all our panning. The lights come on. The only thing they think of it. Let's get out of here.

9:11They're going to take my child. She told police she took off because she was afraid her daughter would be taken from her. Well, you know what? What do you think is going to happen when you get into high speed chase with a daughter in the car who was not in a child's seat restrain laundry list of charges by the time she's done? If you just would have complied Colorado is killed nearly 300 black bears this year. 300 that's about four times as many as previous year. Uh, Tratt, I mean, Colorado is populated way more so than Wyoming, yet they want bears and wolves. Where are you going to put them? This notion that the wolves will stay in Yellowstone where we put them.

10:13The wolves will stay where in the forest where we put them. The bears will live in the mountains where we want them. I guess no, the wildlife didn't get the memo. Cause wolves are eating people's sheep bears are on your back porch, rifling through the garbage. Nobody told the animals. Hmm, whoops. Yeah, Colorado wants. They're so in love with the idea of having wildlife. Meanwhile, self-examine. You have urban sprawl Denver spreads cleared of the Wyoming border practically. The whole front range. Where are they? Where are you going to put the animals? I mean, yeah, there's some place for them up in the mountains. Maybe in winter hay then Craig, but they don't stay there. Because it's over populated one bear bumps into another bear.

11:20And bear one says, how you doing? Bear two says not too good. It's not much to eat. Bear one said, I know what you mean, man. I'm real skinny. I hear there's food and time. Let's go to town. And they do four, uh, 300 bears killed by, uh, down there, it's not a game and fish. It's, uh, Colorado parks and wildlife. CPW. That's just awful. What's the point of encouraging, importing wildlife? You're just going to kill them when they get in trouble. Search is on for that hiker in the Wind River mountains. Jonathan Bailey and his lab. Riggly. Hope they're found that at some wild country in the winds. Tip top. They're the best tip top search and rescue. If anybody can find Jonathan, it's tip top. Hopefully hoping for good news there.

12:26Uh, the, here's some re-arras, re-arras or recurrent news, two stories in that category. One, remember this Shoshone woman accused of exploiting the 93 year old, building the woman for some 33 grand. She's been arrested again, allegedly siphoning $8,200 off the chamber of commerce in Shoshone, where she used to be president. Oh, man, Genie Kronke. President, former president of the Shoshone chamber of commerce. No, what it, what, what to do in the Shoshone chamber of commerce? Shoshone is just a gas station and a speed trap. That's it. I mean, I'm not putting it down. I love Shoshone.

13:27But yet it is a convergence of highways where you fuel up and go the bathroom and get another canner red bull. That's all Shoshone today is used for. It's all it's needed for. And if you're the president of the Shoshone chamber of commerce, it's basically a commercial for the gas station on the corner. That's it. Stop by today. Drive slow. Welcome to Shoshone. That's your job as the president of the chamber. That and, you know, stealing money, allegedly, $8,200 allegedly stolen siphon from the chamber. It's probably their entire annual budget. Just putting an ad in the river tin ranger. Come to Shoshone on the way through. Don't forget to stop fuel up. Don't try it too fast.

14:27And then the dude with a fireworks. I don't get firecrackers. How many times can I say this? Fourth in July, I was like, there are firecracker people and there are none. Firecracker. I don't get it. I don't get it in cindyery devices. I'm not a, I'm not a fireworks dude. Man, I don't, I'd like to watch him. Yeah, I'm not going to go out of my way. And I'm definitely not going to buy any. And I'm just not interested. This guy, his story never did make sense. Maybe there's something more to it. I don't know the Gillette man. He's a carpenter, a musician, lost most of his right hand. Was it worth it playing with firecrackers? The guy had like an Emmy handsome, heavy duty firework. And his story, it exploded outside a bar on the fourth of July. Remember, uh,

15:29Greg Johnson had the story 42 year old, lost most of his right hand. Yet he says he's still going to play guitar. I don't know how, dude. Says he's still going to work as a carpenter. He's got missing fingers on one hand. Another hand is gone. Matthew Lynch. And he said at the time that he said this, uh, this firework, which is described in the affidavit by the Gillette police department as a red mortar shell. Tom, geez. I mean, it's a no sparkler. This thing, when it went off, took his hand and then did damage to the bar to the, to the point where he's now being charged with third degree arson. Talk about going from bad to worse felony charge could be a receive up to five years in prison of fine

16:31of $5,000. For the firework to went off and remember at the time he said he, he had been carrying it around in his pocket for years, looking for the right opportunity to set it off. I, what, it seems I heard that. I'm like, what? Walks around with a firecracker in the pocket waiting for the right, waiting for fourth at July to come around. And then it finally does. And you, I guess, forget to, oh, dang. I'll get it next year. Um, yeah, he said, that it was something that he had carried around in his back pocket for years. Um, the only thing in my back pocket for years when I haven't lost it is my wallet, you know, like the rest of us, dude, just start adulting now and become a productive member of

17:33society instead of carrying around a mortar shell in your pocket waiting to set it off. It's still weird. I feel bad for him now facing third-degree charges for blowing up the bar. And his hand. This is the Cowboy State Daily Radio Network. Cowboy State Daily Show, Kyle Peacock is here. Great to see you again, Kyle. How's everything here? Um, we have a friendly relationship with Canada, we being this show. We love Canada. President Trump, maybe not so much. We're going to talk tariffs and the latest news. In fact, news yesterday and today, Kyle Peacock is the principal of Peacock,

18:34tariff consulting. And he's a recognized media contributor. He can often find him on CBC, CNN business, NBC, CTV Fox, all that stuff. And now we got him here. I, I DJ to wedding, uh, Monday, Kyle, and it was a couple from Hawaii. And at the bar, um, was like a group of a dozen Canadians. They were from Alberta, out west. And we were chatting and they, we were kind of joking about. They said they loved it in Wyoming. Loved it. And they wanted to move here. They were like, we got to figure out a way to move here. And they said, maybe, uh, we'll become the 51st state like President Trump wants. They were all for it. And I said, well, you got to talk to your prime minister and they didn't really care for the PM, either. But they wanted, they were ready to annex or whatever it is.

19:35But there's all kinds of funky business going on with the tariffs. Uh, let's start with the latest news. Um, and please Kyle try to make sense of that. That's President Trump, I guess just getting even tougher, doubling down. He's announced straight up bands on certain products, including, uh, the snowmobiles that we love to run away on me, the bombardiers, bombardier. We love them snowmobiles. Yeah, it's, uh, it's escalated very quick. Like you said, it's happening. It seems like the punches are going back, uh, every, every day now, instead of every week, it's getting, uh, we're in the escalation stage and, uh, business owners and consumers, they just see the dollar signs going up. And that's the end. In this case, the lack of being able to secure those items, it's going to be, uh, this one, uh, this one now that we're starting to ban items is really, it's going to, um, I think really get to the consumer at that point when, you know,

20:36you want your new snowmobiles, you can't get it. So I think, um, Canadians as a whole and Americans as a whole, you know, we're, uh, we're all friendly. We, you know, we like to, uh, you know, I consider it like a hockey game where you're, you fight on the ice, but then you, uh, you know, you have a beer after the game and, uh, it doesn't feel like we're playing anymore. It's, uh, it seems like it's, uh, there's some, uh, political rhetoric out there for blood, instead of, uh, just messing around. So yeah, we'll talk about what products are affected and we'll dig deep in a second. But first, um, you know, have you ever seen anything like this? Dominic LeBlanc, uh, uh, Canada's trade minister would normally deal with, you know, our side, our, our trade guy, and normally they would figure that you would talk tough, you would say, you know, we're feeling like we've been getting screwed over the last 20 years. You got to fit.

21:37And then what all get fixed behind closed door? This is an escalation playing out in news headlines. You ever seen anything like this? Not in North America. This is common in other parts of the world where, uh, where they don't have the relationships as strong as Canada and the US has. But, uh, for, uh, forever, for us to think that it would ever be happening in North America in this time is crazy. And the fact that we still have a free trade deal, USMCA is still there. It's just all these other agreements are super seating in and it's, you know, um, this is something that I never thought we'd see. And I think we're seeing that businesses and, you know, economies are reacting to be in like, whoa, this is, this was supposed to be the safe place to manufacture of, you know, North, North East, US, Midwest. Those are, you know, Southern, Southern Ontario, like Alberta. Those are supposed to be the, the areas where you don't have these kind of hiccups. Because now everyone's looking at their third and fourth quarter going,

22:38hey, we may not hit our ears now because of X, Y and Z. So, um, tough talk has gone from, you know, uh, just tough talk to actual, like, it is happening. You know, a couple president Trump has backed off some of the tariff deadlines. But this time, uh, we don't see him backing off. And this time it to retaliate. Canada's Prime Minister Mark Carney, uh, said tit for tat dollar for dollar tariffs. And now, uh, he's talking lately, Kyle, of developing trade with the EU, with the European union. I mean, uh, the US is a great trade partner because we're right here. But, uh, do you think that will happen and, and give me a sense of how much, uh, trade goes on between the US and Canada. That is, that's a huge going both ways. Those are, those are historic trade partners. Well, that's just it is. It makes the most sense. You like, yes, we can expand in other markets.

23:40We can, you know, sell grain or some of our, um, potash into Europe. But, you know, you have to truck it across the country, get to put it on a boat and ask to transfer over. The logistics costs are crazy. Whereas, you know, you have a neighbor to the south that there's no ill-willed wards and you look at these businesses, their supply chains. It's not like the business on business is getting upset. It's, I'd say it's, uh, you know, the federal, um, individuals in each area that are really, um, adding these to it. And, uh, I think that's where the businesses are most frustrated, saying like, we want to shift to the U, but, uh, with 50% tariff, we just, we can't be competitive. And, well, countries are, I mean, what, tell me Kyle, what you deal with a lot. I'm trying to get a sense of, you know, I, I know understand nations can sometimes get adversarial, uh, toward each other in, in, it's a lot of posturing between countries, but the people, let's talk

24:43about how this micro effect, uh, you know, Toronto, Hamilton, uh, all of Ontario province, the province, and then, uh, the northern states in, in, in the US, the Minnesota's, the, Wisconsin's that are bordering, like it hits them hardest. I would imagine like that hurts this stuff. It hits, it hits them hardest. And we're seeing, uh, especially some of our clients that are on the border states that are in the US, they're where it was just, you know, it was almost treated as an open border. So you would start the production, say you were producing, um, uh, snowmobile, you're, you start producing it in, you know, Michigan, then you'd go over to Windsor, you'd add a couple more layers, then you'd go back, get it further processed, and it may have crossed the border six times before it gets completed. But now every time across as the border, you're adding a 50% tariff. So the value, it's just, you can't do it. You're never going to be like as much as,

25:43these snowmobiles have some margin that they can, uh, make, it's, uh, they're not going to be able to absorb all of that. And that's where we're seeing. I've been actually impressed with the business community as a whole, avoid, like eating some of these tariffs and not trying to pass it on to consumers. But that was all well and good when we were 10%, 15%, when you get to 50% businesses, just have to pass on the cost. And then the poor consumers are just, you know, everyone's struggling with affordability as it is. And now I was done. You're having all these additional costs in this trade war. Yeah. I mean, if it is true, the US president Trump saying we're getting the shaft of wrong end of the deal for years and he wants to course correct. If that's all true, that, you know, that, that's a, a high and mighty discussion that you and I, well, maybe not you, you, this is what you tell me and other people just trying to buy a hockey stick or just trying

26:43it, you know, just getting goods, it's getting passed on us, right? Like who is paying for these tariffs? You touched on it when it's 10, 15%, a lot of companies were saying, all right, but 50, you know, when we go, it's, so any of this section of 3, 3, 8 tariffs that the administer US administrations put on the US importer pays that. So, you know, if you're in Wyoming and you're buying a new tractor, you're paying the tariff to the federal government, the US federal government there. And then now the counter tariffs, as if you're selling that tractor to Canada, the Canadian, the Canadian importers paying it. So it just makes the US product not feasible in the Canadian market and makes the Canadian product not feasible in the US market. And I've always been under the impression, or my philosophy is just let business be it. Don't intervene, like, don't have the government intervention in that sense to say, okay, we need the US product or the Canadian product to stand out. You know, whoever's making the better tractor, I'm sure that's who, you know, the Wyoming

27:48farmers, the Alberta farmers want to use. They don't care if it's Canadian or American. What works best? And, you know, what is, you know, in our price range. So let the consumer decide instead of this intervention from the government. What are, let's talk about some of the high profile products that are affected most. What the US really relies on coming from Canada and vice versa, whether those are dairy. I had no idea motorbikes and I'm assuming motorbikes that category is also, you know, snow machines, whatever. Alcohol definitely, there's some alcohol going both ways. Canada has responded with aluminum foil, envelopes, paper, raincoat. Like, what are some of the big products going that are getting hit with tariffs that it might be meaningful. So I think the biggest one and this will sound silly, but the biggest one that the individual consumer will feel is on toilet paper. Yeah. Because it has, so they have such slum margins to begin with. So any kind of

28:55tariff, all of a sudden is increasing the cost per roll. And, you know, that's, you don't want to look at it, but also like, you know, it's not exactly one of those lucrative items that you want. Hey, I'm getting a new TV or that it's like, this is just a household item that you got to have. So it's those are the painful ones. So it's, yeah, it's very unique. Like, we're going to see it around Thanksgiving where, you know, all the aluminum pans and such that are coming from Canada are going to be tariffs. And now you're cooking your turkey and it's going to be more expensive surrounding it. So it's going to be all the, I don't want to say it's like the big items. We stayed away from like lucky enough, both governments have stayed away from energy, oil, like, for the most part, we've seen a creep in the lumber, which really affects American consumer because if you want to redo your deck or your house, the lumber's being tariff coming in. So instead of being $100, the sheet now,

29:56what's 150 based on the tariff where I'm sure contractors and individuals would rather just pay the 100 instead of the 50, the 1, 150 because now the government's trying to, you know, make it seen. I think in past lives, they would have talked to this and, hey, we got to trade in balance. Let's work over five years to get it even. Not, hey, let's, you know, by the end of the quarter, we need this changed and companies just aren't able to move that quick. Yeah. I, lack of patience with an ongoing trade in balance from President Trump. Lack of patience could basically define his career in office. He's got lack of patience with Iran and their nuclear ambitions. So we just start launching. I'm starting to, I'm starting to get it. Here is the rhetoric from Trump in the Oval Office. I don't want Canadian cars. I don't want Canadian parts. I don't want Canadian anything. He wrote on social media last month. They've been

30:59ripping us off for decades and it's going to stop. It doesn't sound like two guys. He and Korni are ever going to get together talking like that. There's been a fallout in NATO. There's been obviously when Trump says he wants to make Canada 51st state. This doesn't play well North. No. And some of the, you know, renaming the lake. Yeah. It's the, it's some of those that, hey, we're going to pay more because, you know, the US need, like, you know, has felt that there's been an imbalance. Okay. Everyone was okay with it. What they aren't okay with is those AI generated images of the US flag. You're cross Canada. The one where there's a hockey image of Trump standing over Karni calling of governor. It's just those are the ones that really, I think, are the Canadians as a whole. And especially with

32:00the section 338, really was geared towards, like we said, it was the Canadian identity. Maple syrup, hockey sticks. Those aren't to those aren't going to change your trade imbalance as a greater scale. Those don't carry the weight. If we're really, if we're really looking for, like solutions, we would have targeted big items like automotive lumber, gas oil, but we're staying away from items that I feel like the US needs as well or wants. So yeah, that's been interesting. And some of the commodities as you explain are going to be like slow boiled death. But many, many paper cuts kind of thing when you're paying a little bit more for toilet paper, not necessarily, you know, high, high expensive discretionary spending things like computer chip. I mean, there's a chip tariff with, I don't

33:03know, US and in Korea. And these are just smaller things that will hurt over the long run. And I feel like it's a little bit of a feud between the US, the president of the US, spilling over into tariff. Is there any sense how that businesses could or would wait it out? Let's say you're a big Canadian business and you're like, hmm, our prime minister is saying, you know what, we'll just open up ties with the European Union. We'll do that. And you're thinking, you know, this guy's only in office for two more years. Let's see what happens. And I think that seems to be the overall approach is, let's wait and see. But the problem is we've had so many businesses on both sides of the border, especially clients that they're waiting to see. So they've been in like decision paralysis of like, hey, we don't want to invest in a new building. We don't want to upgrade the this because we don't know what the environment's going to be in the future. But the problem is

34:08if you look at Europe, China, Asia, they're all investing. They're going to be passing North America, manufacturing them where we fight with each other. And that's the problem. Well, it continues to escalate. It's in the news again today, yesterday and today Kyle peacock perfect timing to have him on. He's trying to make sense of it for his clients in the business world. Kyle peacock principle at peacock tariff consulting. Yeah, I hope things cool down. I hope things get better. Kyle. Yeah, I hope for both of us because I think as we see on the individual level, there's no ill will between the nations or the people or I can't speak to the US, but US clients, they're like, you know, there's no ill will towards the individual. It just seems to be at the federal level that two business leaders can't get along in their

35:09in the public with the people paying the price. Right. Which I'm hoping if it's the personality clash of Trump and carney, then maybe the under guys, the guys who do the actual work, maybe they can figure it out. I hope, man. Yeah, it's it's not good for Canadian US consumers right now. Anyone that's going to a grocery store or going shopping, we're seeing the prices and the inflation already. Well, Trump and Google maps aside, I still call it Lake Ontario. I grew up on that Lake just down the border like Rochester, Buffalo area. So it's Ontario, man. Come on. Thanks, Kyle. Alright, take care. YouTube. It's Kyle Peacock, Kyle, boy, stay daily. Let's get Mac Watson in here and chat about stuff after this. Are you ready to put your skills to work? Wyoming sugar company is hiring for campaign season

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37:20Mac I got two questions for you. The first one. I'm asking you answers. All right. Good. You know similarly to the 67 year old that found himself duct tape to his plane seat because of his behavior. Oh, yeah. At some point, you got to wonder about your life choices. If it's some point you're missing a hand and some fingers because of a firecracker, basically a explosive blow off your hand and you're facing arson charges on top of that. You have to question your life choices. That is surprising. What? What are the answers that I'm giving you? You should get two questions. Oh, yeah. All right. My, my question is, how much is flock cameras paying you to do stories that makes them look

38:22in a positive light? Because a couple weeks ago Glen Rock hated the flock cameras. People were shooting them off of a light post. Now they have solved crimes like almost every day. There's a new story about a license plate reader. You got to be, are you driving a new car? Yeah. Yes. Right. Here in Cody, they took out a camera thinking it was a flock camera. It wasn't really. I think it's, it could be coincidence. And we have seen this before that you have these new stories that all of a sudden, there's a ton of these new stories. Yeah. And then you have another situation where if somebody uses something and it works, well, then somebody else uses it. So I think, I mean, this is just me speculating, I don't know. But it found one bad guy. Now I think law enforcement

39:24has a new tool, if you will. So they're going to use it all the time. And what we're seeing now is the proliferation of these kinds of stories. Because now, oh, wait a minute, I heard that it worked over here. Well, let's see if it works over here. So I think we're going to see more and more of these stories until people get tired of them. And they just kind of drift away. You know, it's weird. The new cycle can be fast and furious, but it can also kind of hit a lull. But if there is something new out there that people are like, whoa, I didn't know that. You will see more stories about it. And I think that's what that's what's happening to these flock cameras is that a lot of and again, I could be totally wrong. I don't know anything. That's my wife, especially my kids. I don't know anything about anything. But what I've noticed is that law enforcement is like, hey, look what we did. And so they're going to put more stuff out there. And so you're going to see

40:24more reporting on it until, you know, it's kind of like old hat. And you're not going to see it anymore anyway. But again, we had this conversation. What was it last week? I understand why people are concerned. I don't want to be, you know, I don't want somebody looking up my license plate and going, oh, he went to Walmart, you know, last week or whatever. But at the same time, a bad dude from Sue City, Iowa may have killed a woman. And we and Wyoming highway patrol got him the last week, this weirdo from Arizona met up with a girl from Wyoming. And they weren't even looking in the right place for him. And thank goodness these cameras found him over here. Who knows what the who knows what how that story would have ended? Who knows? So, you know, again, I'm torn on how much do you want to be surveilled? I don't want to be surveilled. But at the same

41:29time, if they get bad people off the street, again, I will, I will stand by what I said last time too. I do not like the assumption that I'm going to do something wrong. I don't like that at all. Right. You know, that's why there are speed cameras. That's why there are those, you know, in certain cities, there are those speed cameras that just flash every time you go through, you know, an intersection 10 miles over the, you are waiting for me to screw up. And I don't like that. Yeah. But there are guys, there are people, there are citizens who do screw up and thank God we catch them. So yeah, I don't mean to rekindle the debate. I just find it interesting. The new cycle, as you explain, kind of comes in, you know, in bunches, and there was all these stories about license plate readers being invasive and privacy. And then now it's license plates readers save the day, you know, right. Right. Right. But I'll tell you this, I'll go down a different rabbit hole.

42:31I talked to Mark Heinser, outdoors reporter, the proliferation of the amount of bears interacting with people this year. Yeah. I think Mark said they, the state of Colorado has put down nearly 300 bears. Yeah. And that, but that can be traced back to cameras. No, I'm kidding. No, that can be traced back to we had a really dry, last year, last year was just a dry period. These bears are looking for food. They're looking for stuff and people leave stuff out. And one of the, one of the experts from the Colorado Parks division was basically like, hey, this is, this is human caused. They're looking for food. People leave food out. We'll give a bear a chance. We'll relocate the bear. But if they become accustomed to human food, then we've got to, we've got to do something more drastic. So that's another story that has come out that I, you know, you see Mark doing a

43:35story on, well, this bear had to be euthanized because of over here. All and then go over here. And then holy crap. Colorado has dealt with these bears almost 300 times. And now I see a story, I saw a story yesterday, LA is having a problem. This city of Los Angeles is having a problem where bears have come down and they're looking for food. So we're going to see more of those stories too, as we get into the hibernation season because as Mark pointed out, it's been so warm. We may be dealing with this into October. They're not going to start hibernating because they need to build up that fat reserve. We're not, we may not see them, you know, not interact with people and go into hibernation way later than usual. In the case of Colorado, I didn't, you know, I didn't really think about the drought causing more conflict, but, but just Colorado is grunt. The front range is growing. There's way more people. People are going into bear territory. Yes. And not necessarily

44:37values. First of all, 300 black bears in the last year. That's quadruple the previous year. Right. I think it's just this notion that, you know what? Animals, they, Colorado wants wolves. They want bears, but they don't necessarily stay where you want them. You know, we want the bears and wolves in the mountains. Well, we wanted the wolves to stay in yellowstone. How that work out? They don't. They didn't get the memo animals are going to go and you bring up a great point. You want something until it's inconvenient to hold in your backyard. Yeah. Eating the bird so then and so then you forget the rules. Yeah. You can't leave trash out. You can't leave stuff available that wild animals could get into it. You know, it's this really weird, I don't know what the word is exactly, but it's this weird phenomenon, I guess, that oh, it's so pretty. It's so whatever until whoops. It's like you said, right in my backyard. We'll get it out of here. Yeah.

45:42Scoop, you know, scat move, you know, that kind of thing. You can't have it both ways. You either have to deal with hello. Like you said, you're in bear territory, deal with it, or you know, these are going to this is going to be an issue. And unfortunately, we've seen people in animal and dogs, you know, stuff like that affected. So, you know, what is it we want? I think, I think we mankind can be reprogrammed to learn how to live with, um, wild, it's Darwin. It's Darwin. It's you don't know why if you don't adjust hello, you may wind up, you know, yeah, and not a very good situation. But you bring up a great point. And earlier when you were talking about the guy, this just floors me. The guy who lost his hand in Gillette is now being charged with arson. When was it ever ever? Did you not watch while E. Coyote cartoons as a kid? When has it ever

46:45been smart to hold anything explosive? Yeah. I don't understand these people that are like, well, you know, whoops, I'll I'll ask my hand. I mean, it's a shame, but oh, well, why would you ever pick it up in the first place? But, you know, well, there's firecracker people on there's not firecracker people. You and I get in the ladder cam. But I don't, I don't buy, now I don't buy the story that it went off immediately like an axi, like he lit it in a boom. It went off because I also don't buy the story that he's been walking around with it in his back pocket for years. Nobody walks around with a firecracker or their pocket for waiting for the fourth of July to come up. Right. Right. Come on. Right. I mean, there's just two minutes. There's, there's, there's too many non, non-sensical things that have happened in that story that you're like, hold on. Wait a minute. I feel bad though. I mean, no, cheesy lost a hand now. He's looking at

47:46arson charges, felony charges. And, and his life was about his hands. He was a carpenter and a musician. Yeah. Well, you know, again, I mean, there's this old bit, you know, about my hands, my hands, or you a surgeon, no, I'm a piano player. Hello, if you rely on your hand, that's like me walking around going, oh, I gargled with drain O, you know, all the time. Well, I rely on my voice. I have to take care of my voice kind of thing. Why are you wandering around with a, with a firecracker in your hand? Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get it. All right. One minute for you, Watson. One minute. Okay. The football season is starting. Yeah. Football season is starting. We saw, we saw some pretty good games in college football. Yeah. I'm not even going to speculate who's going to be at the end there. But I last week I asked you, you still think your Buffalo Bills have a shot, right? Oh, yeah. I don't think they're going to go to the Super Bowl or they've got a good shot at going to

48:47the Super Bowl. I am really starting to think now that I've done a little, you know, deep dive. I think the Broncos are set to go to. I really do. I gotta say, I drafted their defense and bo-nix is my backup quarterback in fantasy football. So I mean, there you go. There you go. There's good. No doubt. I'm scared of them. Right. Right. I know, I know that you've been a Buffalo fan a long time. You know, I've been a Ravens fan a long time. You want what you want when you want it. But at the same time, there are so many things that could just take out a season that you can't predict. You can't see blah, blah, blah. I don't know. I don't know. I'm crossing my fingers that Denver goes far. We'll see. We'll see. I think they'll be, obviously, be very good. They were very good last year. They were this close. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Bow's legs snapped. Right. Thanks, Mack. Take care. YouTube Cowboy State Daily Show. We gotta get

49:50out for news. Nothing. Okay, we're back in studio after the news break. Our two of the Cowboy State Daily Show. We welcome a couple of Wisconsin ladies. That's all. They were hunting in Wyoming. Great success. Sarah and Jesse, if you're watching the product, if you're on radio, you'll just have to envision Sarah and Jesse. Sarah's on the left. Sarah, Sarah, Eloranta and Jesse Wilson's on the right. I'm pretty sure. So ladies, you know, we're going to talk about, I guess women and hunting. It's a growing demographic. I don't even think it's like an unusual thing anymore, even like newsworthy. Lot of women hunt that I know. Lot of women in it. And they're more and more and more. But

50:55YouTube have been hunting. Yeah. How was the hunting Wyoming? We want to know all about it. How it went down. You've, you've deer hunted in Wisconsin. Got a few deer there. Yeah. So was it fun? Like you would come, you had you been in Wyoming before? Either of you? I have not. I've been to Wyoming a bunch of times. But this is our first time hunting big game in Wyoming this year. Yep. YouTube Jesse. Yep. Yep. This is my first time in Wyoming. So, I mean, besides driving through, but yeah. Yeah. We get in some of it, I think, uh, reminded you a little bit of Wisconsin, especially, I mean, where you were. You were in the snowy range above Centennial. I have not been over there. I'm in Jackson. I have the Bridger Teton National Force, but it's similar alcunning where you're not probably taking long shots. You don't have long, you're like, you are creeping through trees. You're like putting a stalk on through forest.

52:01Yeah, that's great. So I've been alcunding in other states before. But the snowy range was definitely kind of a new experience because yeah, it's dark timber and yeah, everything is like close proximity. So yeah, you're just kind of creeping through the woods and open to bump something and just hunting those small, like little meadow patches that you can find. Jesse, reminded you of what anything you've done in Wisconsin? Yeah, I mean, it's just like Sarah said, it's really like just dark woods and very close. So you're not shooting far distances like you said. I mean, I think our shots were like 60 yards or something. And when I was getting ready to come out here, I was practicing two 300 yard shots thinking, you know, maybe I'd go farther, but then you get in the area and you're like, there's not those high points that you go down into these big meadows that you're, you know, you're glassing into. So it reminded me a little bit of like being in Wisconsin and kind of wait for something to walk by

53:03or hoping to bump something. Yeah, well, it probably worked out pretty good that you weren't far from camp. You don't have to go a long way. You don't have to make long shots. You just have to figure out where they out. Gar and when and you kind of did both of you did some research before you came out here. You knew I like the planning, the game planning. Maybe that's something that women would bring that guys wouldn't got. You know, we just make sure the cooler is full of beer. Maybe we don't game plan ahead of time, but you did a lot of research for you even got out here. Yeah. So I think one of the things that we saw for feedback is a lot of people thought we actually went guided and we definitely just went DIY. And so yeah, we did a ton of research before we came out here. And that I think to me is one of my favorite parts is trying to, you know, look at maps, trying to figure out an area, road access, all that stuff. Just trying to figure out

54:05where to go and how to hunt this animal and learn about all about them, which was amazing. Yeah. I think it's I think it's a lot of fun too. You know, you're you're looking at on acts for these points of where you're going to go and where you think they might be. And you do a lot of research and that's a lot of fun. And then you get there and you're like, this is a little bit different from what we expected. So then you have to kind of make those game day decisions, which I don't say, and I had to do a lot of where like, oh, we can go up here and we'll be able to see like things we we do that. And we're like, this isn't going to work. That's that's try one of these other spots that we kind of looked at. Yeah. Jesse, I've been there where you you see something on the flat screen and you're like, oh, yeah, we'll just go over this ridge here and like, oh, that's a rid hold. Like we're not getting over that. And and that the terrain also is going to dictate how a how an elk can't goes. What what you can push, what you can probably run into. How about take me to and by the way, we're talking to Sarah Jesse. They're in a cowboy state

55:08daily article about women hunting from Wisconsin. They got the type seven early cow tag and both successful. How did you oh, first I want to know about camp. Hi, isn't camping is the funest part about hunting? Is it not like I love camping, but you both probably love camping. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So we just did truck camping. So we actually bought a go fast camper recently. So yeah, love it. It's amazing. And so if you don't know what a go fast camper is, it's basically a camper that you put on the back of your truck and it just pops open and you got camp literally from your truck. And it's awesome. And it's fantastic because you can be super mobile with that piece of equipment. And so that was that was awesome. Days prior to pulling the trigger, how many days? What did you do? You went out, you were learned, you learned like, okay, this is on X. This is real Wyoming. Here's

56:11the result. I got a wrecking style of the difference. What did you learn? Those how many days was it? Well, so we got out there Friday and the season didn't start till Saturday. So Friday, we kind of walked down and checked out some areas and looked. And so that's kind of what we did, we checked out that specific area and kind of made a game plan for what we were going to do the next day. And then Saturday was hunting. So we spent all the Saturday hunting, trying different spots. Bumped elk, we ran into some guy who was just prescouning for both season and he said he saw a bunch elk in the area. So, you know, we kind of had an idea that they're definitely here. I think we also checked out another chunk of property. And then it was Sunday evening where we, you know, we went back out, we didn't get anything Saturday. We heard some people shoot on there another group

57:13hunting in the same area. And then Sunday, we hunted all day, we knapped a little bit in the middle of the day. And then it was Sunday night when we, when we actually were able to make it happen. Yeah, I'm late, late in the day right before Reddit dusk. I always wish I could get one early in the day, but it always ends up being late. And then night is falling and you got a pack at out or cover it, leave it and hope it's there when you come back because yeah, we got bears and whatnot. So how did you both get a cow within minutes? Like how did it, how did it work out exactly? Sure. So we actually found like a little high spot to hunt off of. And we knew there were elk moving through kind of the bottom of where we were. And so we really got lucky. I think that's a keeping. I mean, we knew there were elk in the area. We actually saw some bulls earlier in the day,

58:13move through the same spot, which was so cool. And so it's the cover. We had two cows move through right below us. And so we were super fortunate to just have that clearing space where we were both able to take shots and be super successful. And I mean, they were within probably 40 yards of each other when they actually fell. So that was that was good. And then basically the work kind of started after that because yeah, it's great up to that point. But then that's when the real challenge starts because now we have two elk to, you know, cut up and beg and pack out. So yeah, we tried to, we got both of them cut up. That that evening and we were out there till well past dark. I mean, we're using our headlamps and all that fun stuff. So we were able to put them on our game bags. We actually had to hang the one and just leave it. And then we were able to pack out. And I think we didn't get back till camp till like almost midnight that night with just our first trip. So.

59:18Yeah, it's all fun till you pull the trigger. Then you need friends with horses. You packed out just frames. You just packed it and it wasn't you. Thankfully, you weren't real far from camp. I mean, you can be mild from camp hunting. You're like a mile still. You want to do that a few times and maybe get a little lost in the dark. That's a workout. Yeah, we definitely got lost in the dark coming out. And it's dark. So you can't see and you know, you always take the worst way back. I feel like in the dark because you can't see ahead. So yeah, you get a little turn around. We were definitely get a little crabby because we were we being through most of our snacks at that point. So we're hungry and we're tired. And but we got back just fine. And then it was we're just going to get up early the next day and go for it. And you just you just kind of grind till it's done. And it wasn't it wasn't too bad. I wouldn't say it wasn't like high, high ridges. So there were a couple of spots that were a little hard, but you just keep going.

1:00:23You motivate each other and we got it done in decent amount of time, I think. Hey, Sarah, Jesse, let's talk about the relationship. We didn't ask how you two knew each other. How you decided to come hunt together. I mean, there's husbands, but maybe they get left behind. How do you to know each other in that relationship? You mentioned like there was some angry moments maybe, but everything was great. Yeah. So she's my sister-in-law. She's yeah, she's with my brother. So that's how we know each other. So we both have done a number of trips outweighs with like family and our significant other. But for me personally, we I'm kind of restricted on like my work schedule. And so going with my husband isn't just feasible all the times. So I was like, man, I really enjoy big game hunting. And it's like super something I'm passionate about. And so I was like, man, Jesse, like, let's start doing this. And so she was

1:01:28game. And that's awesome. And so this is our second girls trip hunt. We actually went to Montana last year and shot Mildere. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's been I think it's been a lot of fun because we live kind of a few hours away. So we don't see each other a whole lot. And I think it's been really fun to just hang out and just kind of build our relationship and be better friends. And I don't know, it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad that we've been doing this. And I look forward that we're already planning our trip for next year. And what are we going to do? So Oh, you got to come back to Wyoming. Where are you going next year? We're not sure. I've been talking to me, maybe pronghorn. So I think that you're a lot of fun. But it's we're going to have to see what's feasible, what takes we can pull and go from there. Is there I know in internet stalking you, you're in Florence right there on Fisher Lake,

1:02:30maybe you do your archery. Is there any plan on an archery hunt for either of you or no? Archery would be amazing. So my husband is actually alcanting in Montana archery right now. Oh, nice. So yeah, so he's out there. But yes, I actually am an archery instructor for a youth program. So that's awesome. And yeah, definitely archery alcan does like a dream that I would really like to do. Well, I'm so glad for both of you way to go. How do you get to I don't even know this if you're hunting out of state. Like how do you get the meat back to Wisconsin? How does that all work? That was an adventure. So we actually were able to go down to Laraming. And then we were actually able to find a place that actually sold dry ice. Yeah. Yeah. So we were actually able to pack our coolers full of dry ice. And that worked really good for us at least.

1:03:34Well, um, make cider for you both. I want you to come back to Wyoming as soon as you can. We love Wisconsin. All the states to start with W are good. Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming. Thank you. Sarah, Jesse, thanks a lot for being on. Got a zero. Have a great Wednesday. Cowboys stay daily show continues with a Don day weather forecast. We'll do that after this quick break. Ready, set, make a difference. Sir Optimus of Cody invites you to their 18th annual 5K 10K chip time walk run Saturday, October 3rd at the Cody Recreation Center. Run or walk to support the Laney Cole Memorial Women's Cancer Fund providing vital assistance to park County women battling cancer. Registration starts at 8 30 a.m. with the kids race at 9 and the 5 and 10K at 9 30. Register at run signup.com or sunlight sports in downtown Cody. Sir Optimus of Cody making a difference once

1:04:35step at a time. This is the Cowboys State Daily Radio Network. It's time for the day weather forecast on days here. Done. Today is just kind of a repeat of yesterday. And tomorrow is a repeat of both days. So here's my question for you before we concentrate on Wyoming weather. I want to go out over that specific ocean and talk about the progression of storms. When you're all grown up, you're a hurricane. Teenager, you're like a tropical storm. When you're just a toddler, you're a depression. What the heck is a depression? And why is it called a depression? The weather's not depressed. It's causing depression because you start to get an area of low pressure. And if you were to take a cross section of the atmosphere where there's a storm

1:05:41or low pressure, the pressure actually goes dips, causes a lot of a bit of a dip in the atmosphere, hence the word depression. Okay. And we got one of those cooking probably going to turn into something tropical storm, at least like a 90%. Who is that? You can give the previous name, but we all know it's now Trump, whatever. This is going to be Norbert. Norbert. I mean, I don't know who thinks up these names, but it's going to be Norbert. Norbert. And where's Norbert at any landfall anytime? No, these are forming very much in similar areas. Yeah. And we'll just have to watch it. It may bring moisture into the West United States. It may not. It all depends on how it tracks. But Marie and Lowell and Karina, you know, at one point in time last week, we had three hurricanes in the Eastern Pacific. Lowell is now as weakening as it moves

1:06:46northwest of Hawaii. And Marie is no longer anything. But we will see more to valve. This is going to go into October and probably even November. These are just going to keep forming. Yes. No effect on anybody in downtown Cheyenne. But I imagine like shipping lanes are affected. Like you got to know this kind of stuff. Is there special meteorologists who do weather out on the ocean? Oceanic. Well, yeah, it's called ocean routing. So, so there are outfits and groups of people who that's their job. Yeah. Is to steer shipping away from hurricanes like this because the cost of diesel, as you know, is really high and most of these ships run on diesel. And just deviating course a few miles over a 2,000 mile journey. It can eat up a lot of fuel. And so and they don't obviously don't want to go right through a hurricane path. So yeah, there's a lot

1:07:46going on out there in the water that more than you think. Typical similar to air traffic as well. You don't want to they have, you know, your United Airlines doesn't want to divert five miles out of their way because of the extra jet A that's burned up. Interesting. Okay, let's talk about Wyoming today ranging from low 70s to low 80s for high just a real nice day. But perfect. Yeah, this is a Goldilocks day. Yeah. It's just right. Yeah. Although I do see one kind of anomaly. I don't know. I think it's unique to Wyoming where you'll get a frost advisory in the morning and a fire watch in the afternoon all in the same down. Welcome. Welcome to Wyoming. We have it all. Righty is the spice of life. Fantastic. Maybe some tropical moisture for the weekend. Yeah. And it might even snow up in Yellowstone this weekend too. Dang. Okay. Thanks, Don.

1:08:47The day weather forecast. Well, you've been warm. Now, you know, let's see what Tyler Liddenholm is up to. What do you think? As we get right back to the zoomer. There's Tyler. Hey, we were talking with, uh, where are we, Chat? Oh, yeah. Um, Ogden Driscoll, Senator Driscoll says, Hey, um, yeah. You two, uh, uh, work together back in the day to cook up something that looked like the food freedom act. It's, uh, it's a fantastic idea. We're going to talk about similar. Um, let's start with President Trump's announcement. Um, I think it was late last week saying, um, and it, it, it's odd that if he made the announcement at the same time, he was also allowing beef in port, uh, from Brazil, but whatever, uh,

1:09:48he announced he was going to make it easier for farmers and ranchers to go, you know, vertical with their product and sell direct to consumer. But it's pretty vague. I mean, you can say things, but what is the game plan, man? What do you know of the game plan? Like you want to see it, right, Tyler? Yeah. So let's call a spade spade first and foremost here. Uh, what President Trump just did, let's call it what it is. That's an apology tour. Uh, the reason why it's an apology tour is, uh, consumers are suffering under high, you know, high prices at the grocery store, right? Well, that's inflation. Why are we seeing the inflation? Uh, it's got a lot to do with tariffs, and it's got a lot to do with increased spending at the Federal Reserve or increase quantitative easing as it would be. So we've got all of those things coupled together. The tariffs are hurt in us all the things. Prices are rising across the board wherever we're seeing that. So President Trump, we're getting pretty close to midterms. The, let's call spade spade again, is politically motivated. Yeah. We're getting pretty close to those midterms. So President Trump decides that

1:10:53he's going to help lower the price of beef. And absolutely, uh, importing 300,000 metric tons of foreign beef will lower the price of beef. But for who is the real question? And if you look at the box beef prices, if you look at what what consumers actually see, they haven't seen dip. They haven't seen anything as of yet. Where has the reduction been? And that's been your feeder and your live cattle prices. Those of dip in a big, big way. So the real winner of this whole situation is, uh, you know, is the packers, the big four monopoly that still exists. And so then we've got to, we got to dive into these executive orders. What is what is President Trump accomplished? Well, he's delivered some more bureaucracy. This is something that every executive branch has done since time in memorial. Every time ranchers are like, holy cow, we would love to be able to sell our product. They're like, instead of you selling your product directly to consumers, how about new loans? Or we create a new program for you. Ranchers don't like that, especially here in the

1:11:55state of Wyoming. Take this for example, Jake. In the state of Wyoming, when you look at your FSA loans and those types of things and grants that are provided by the USDA, uh, year after year, the state of Wyoming does not meet its quota, does not use its full share. Why is that? Other states meet it by like January or February. As soon as the money is available, boom, that money's gone. Here in the cowboy state, we really don't want the federal government's money. What we want is a free market. And once again, this apology to her from President Trump did not deliver on his promises. We did not make America great again. We didn't make America's beef great again. We made Argentina's beef pretty great. That's unfortunate. Yeah. So talk a little bit about the prime act and the bureaucracy. What is wrong right now? If President Trump came to Wyoming and said, all right, you guys, you've been crying to us on DC about how you got all the answers. If you're so smart,

1:12:57what do we do? Obviously, we got to reduce and never mind the loans, you know, thanks, but just reduce paper work, right? I mean, make the process a little easier. What would you tell? What would we tell President Trump how it ought to work? I think I think the first thing we need to say is President Trump, you've agreed that American beef is the best beef. And we agree with that. We love you for it. So let us sell it directly to consumers. And what that looks like is we have to amend and change the Federal Meet and Spection Act. And there's a way to do it. The prime act as sponsored by Representative Thomas Massey in the US House, that piece of legislation goes towards that. Now, what it what it specifically does and for those for your listeners out there, there's three levels of inspection under the Federal Meet and Spection Act. And we all we all recognize them, but here's their label. So you recognize them better. You've got your first that's federally inspected. Typically, that's your big packers. We've got some of those in the state of Wyoming that

1:13:59do a great job. They're smaller operations, though. Getting in is pretty tough. And then you've got state-inspected facilities. Those state-inspected facilities, you can only operate those if you have primacy in your state. Thankfully, Wyoming does have primacy. But if you if you are a state-inspected facility, you cannot sell across state lines, even though the requirements are the same as a federally inspected. Or maybe even stricter. But yeah. Or stricter. Yeah. So a lot of folks wisely choose to go federally inspected just because then they can sell across state lines. It makes much more sense. And then the third, and this is the one that that's worth all the potatoes, right? That's called a custom slaughter facility. A custom slaughter facility can be used by an individual if they own animal prior to processing, right? So if you own part of that animal or the whole animal, you can get it spotted at this facility and put it in your freezer and consume it, you and your family and friends can consume it. But that animal can never be sold. In fact,

1:14:59every one of those packages will say on it, not for sale. And so what the primac does say is it says, if a state so chooses a custom slaughter facility within their state, can retail beef, can retail pork, can retail, all these things. Here's why this is so important. You can drive across the state of Wyoming. Count how many federally inspected plants you see, count how many state inspected plants you see now drive across the state of Wyoming and count the customs slaughter facilities. Customs slaughter facilities are everywhere. I mean, I even have one in my little town of Sun Nath, Wyoming with a thousand people. And they do a fantastic job. They're inspected by the same individuals at the Wyoming Department of Agriculture that inspect our restaurants to make sure that those are safe for serving food. It stands for reason that they probably that same inspection process is probably good enough to be able to butcher meat. There are potential success stories and there are reasons to be hopeful. We just spoke with the Beck family ranch in Lone Tree and

1:16:04they're going to do some right. What do you know of them? Is that one of the positive things we want to see happening in Wyoming? Yeah, absolutely. We definitely want to see more people shortening shortening that supply chain and going direct to consumers. And God bless them for being able to jump through the labeling and licensing hopes to be able to get there. There's a lot of folks that are really motivated by that and God bless them. You know, we would like to get rid of the labeling and licensing so they don't have to do all that. Yeah. So I mean, what do we make of President Trump? I mean, he's not a he's not a rancher. He's not a cattleman. He's probably gets a lot earful from advisors. Probably got an earful from the beef tycoons, the betistas, and JBS, and that probably spurred that meeting at the Oval Office. Probably, you know, we saw the next day, Agdandriskel said, and we get the import, a terra free import from Brazil. Again,

1:17:05that does, as you said, Tyler feel like a midterm election. You know, the last thing you're going to remember when you go to the polls is that hamburger wasn't as expensive as he used to be. I don't that might work, but that that that's bandaid stuff in the long run. What's going to build up the herds again, and Wyoming? It's just shortening that process right there and it's streamlining it somehow. Yeah. So if you look at what recently happened, right? We've got we've got some executive orders that first came down in August to import that 300,000 metric tons. The price of beef as far as your feeder cattle being sold to backgrounders, that price dipped pretty significantly. So what we saw, and you'll continue to see this throughout the fall, as we saw a lot of cow calf operations, so we're selling their calf crop at a pretty high price point and all of a sudden that dipped pretty hard. So a lot of those ranchers to make up that difference guess what they're going to sell, heifers. They're going to sell their heifers, whereas they were going to keep them prior, because

1:18:08the price point was at such a level that they could retain their heifers and come back next year. So the inflection point here for President Trump is first of all, I don't blame President Trump, he's not a he's not a cattle man, he wasn't raised in this, right? I do blame his advisors. Whoever President Trump's advisors are should be immediately fired at the garbage and they're clearly in bed with the with the major packers, because that's who's making the decisions at the White House currently. Yeah, well, if you have Wyoming ranchers now choosing a sell-off I mean, that situation gets worse if we're looking at a 75 year low in, in, you know, beef prices, how many what the herds are at, that's just going to get worse. What he's done has made things worse for Wyoming cattle ranchers. Yeah, yeah, no, he's made it drastically worse and he's made it much better for the packers who we've not seen a price inflection that have come across on box-beat as

1:19:09of yet. And that's where the packers make their money is off that box-beat price, right? We've seen the live cattle and the feeder cattle futures dip significantly. That's that's that's money in the ranchers in the feeder's pocket, right? And that's the price that the packers pay for cattle. So not only are they buying a cheaper product, but they're still selling at the same high price, the consumers are not saying any relief. And that's what brings me back to the fact that President Trump's advisors are hog garbage in this situation. And that's why I continually stress to people, hey man, just sell your beef, black market beef, sell it right out of your freezer. Defense don't actually care, they're not going to come back, they're not going to come by and and care about the rancher. Just sell it directly. I do. Well, if the bureaucracy is there, Tyler, to to ensure safe consumption of food, I mean, I get you, there has to be some checks and balances out. We see lettuce tainted causing people to have diarrhea for a month. We got to be able to trace and know our food is safe. Are we just overboard with it or what? Yeah, yeah, I think so.

1:20:16And I don't want to take away from USDA's inspection. I think it a lot of ways I want to give a hat tip towards the inspection process. I think it's one of the best in the nation. But it's also a broken scenario when the country of Argentina can sell beef anywhere in the country that they choose. And the state of Wyoming cannot. The state of Wyoming with its own state inspection program cannot sell across state lines. Argentina can sell anywhere. So in that regard, the inspection program is absolutely broken and is no longer working as it was as it was originally intent. Yes, the more I learn about this, the more I hear about this from you and Ogden and others that are in the industry. I see less and less is I thought it was the monopoly, the collusion, Tyson, Cargill, JBS. And that that was a pinch point. I mean, that that's certainly an issue. There isn't enough meat packing plants. But right now they're closing because there isn't enough beef to process. It's it's more bigger overarching problems. And you're right. As simple as Wyoming is

1:21:23more restricted in selling its great beef, best product in South America, Brazil, Argentina. Yeah. That's not good. I can sell wherever they want in the United States of America. And the only ones were restricting really. And I guarantee you like listen, this is no there's no dime against Argentinians or Brazilians. I ain't got nothing wrong with those people. I'm sure their inspection of programs are great, but they're not they're not American. They're not us and that's not American beef. And I know for a fact Wyoming is and folks across the country want that good American beef. And sometimes you're just going to have to go find a ranch here and just say, listen, let's let's break some federal laws together. Yeah. I like that idea. I like that idea a lot, Tyler. One last thing, what are your hopes for the prime act? Where is it? What could get done? I know, you know, introduced by a representative Thomas Massey Kentucky. I know representative

1:22:23Haguem's all about it as well. Maybe she'll be Senator Barasso boy, it'd be nice if somebody could get him to motivate President Trump. Where is it right now, the prime act? Yeah. So the prime act, a pilot program of the prime act was included in the farm bill that came out of the House representative went over to the Senate. Now, as you know, the Senate failed the farm bill in committee. It was a big stance by the Democrats that were going to show the Republicans and kill their farm bill. So that's problematic. And I know that US Senate is going to come back and try to rework that thing. And I hope that the pilot program for the prime act stays put in the farm bill. So as it comes forward, maybe, maybe we might actually be able to take that opportunity. And you know the state of Wyoming, we're going to jump at that opportunity if it goes through. We're just trying to keep the food chain kind of local. I mean, that makes sense for us in Wyoming. And definitely where we got more cows than we could eat in Wyoming. Similar to we got more energy than we could use, can't we export, make some money off as some of this stuff, Tyler?

1:23:29Yeah, yeah, no, that's absolutely right. That's where we want. Tyler Lindsowe at Lindholm says, go ahead. Hey, just go ahead. Thanks, Tyler. But have a great Wednesday. Cowboys day daily show. Yeah, Tyler Lindholm was some good info. Andrew Rossi coming up next on the show. Stick with us. So glad to have you on this Wednesday. Looking for a career with purpose and a company that invests in you. How do river energy corporation is a consumer owned electric cooperative serving Northeast Wyoming and they're looking for leaders to join their team at powder river energy. A good life begins with a good company. Build your career with an industry leader that develops people and helps you plan for the future. Visit precore.coopp and click join the team today. How do river energy corporation? Powering more than electricity, powering people. Are you ready to put your skills to work? Wyoming Sugar Company is hiring for campaign season from mechanics and welders to general

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1:25:33The United States says it has destroyed five Iranian oil tankers. Iran retaliated by lossy launching missiles at Jordan and Iran issued a statement saying anybody in the Middle East get out unless you want to be bombed. What is that done to Wall Street global price of oil? Now $100 a barrel this morning that's 40% higher than it was at the start of the war. Iran taking a more aggressive approach on the state of Hormuz and diesel now well over $6 a gallon and Wyoming. Aggravating. Open A. I says it's new to newest model has solved one of the great unanswered questions in mathematics. It's the Navier Stokes existence and smoothness problem.

1:26:39I didn't have time to look up what that is, but I understand there are some mathematical equations where you're sort of trapped in circular logic like there is no answer. This is not something you know that would appear on an elementary school test like four plus four. These are mathematical problems that have. Stein needs some of the greatest minds in the world for centuries. Still unsolved unsolvable math, Brad, the beautiful mind using a chalkboard as big as whatever can't find the end of these problems. AI has just solved one of those greatest unanswered questions. We still don't have pie solved to the final degree. Maybe AI can do that, but it's interesting. And I have another AI story about a guy who works in that field who left his job be quit because he says the writing on the wall is AI will create a world that will kill humans

1:27:45eventually. It's coming for us. Oh man. Andrew Rossi's here. Hi, Andrew. Morning, Jay. Yeah, and and theropic researcher quits over out of control AI fears. He worked for a company that he he felt, you know, the race to AI and to develop artificial intelligence to the final degree was dangerous. So he he went to another company and theropic because they had a reputation of being less aggressive with their AI programming, but he said even them all they could talk about was winning the rate and designing AI models that would make an end run around humans and be smarter than humans and then we'll kill us. And that's scary. Before I respond, let me see what chat GPT says. I'll get your response from there. Is that okay? Chip GPT is part of the problem.

1:28:53That's like asking the Fox who ate the chickens. I ain't gonna work. I just want to make sure I don't miss speak. All right. What is the deal with the lake that sings to us or makes noise? Also the morning glory pools all chunked up. Where do you want to start? He also has just a strange place. It is man. It is so wild. Morning glory pool. Yeah, it's far. Yeah, morning glory pool. That was a fun one. I actually spoke to Jeff Henry who is a like he's a good friend, but he's also a fan. He's spent his life in Yellowstone and he was actually part of the crew that would actually was send it into morning glory at one point to remove objects so they could attempt to clean it up because over the years, people just started shutting things in there, which was common at a lot of pools. I'm sure you've seen as you go

1:29:53through the park, you'll see a sign that says this geyser once erupted very regularly, but then it's stopped because people threw things inside of the cone or they chisel away at the cone. So human behavior has changed many, many, but they changed behavior of many geysers and other thermal features in Yellowstone and morning glory is just another one of those many casualties. Yeah, the reason why we can't have nice things and beautiful features in Yellowstone. People have jumped it up, but that was interesting to see. Also, there was a geyser outside of Yellowstone, sort of a secret little warm spring geyser in the dewboys area. Can you take me here? Do you know where it is? It looks so cool. No, I can't take you there and I can't talk about it and the article, according to the feedback we received from readers, the article should be taken down and never mentioned again because it's that secret and they don't nobody wants other people there. But I did go there. I sort of agree with that. I mean, I don't want to take things down. I want

1:30:57to get in the business of censoring news, but I totally get that. I don't want things ruined. It looks really, really cool. The secret little warm spring in the dew, but I don't know where this is. And I know a lot of that area. All right. On the down low, you take me there. Here's the thing though, Jake. I think I understand that people want to preserve these sort of things, but this is not a spot that most people are going to go to. I mean, I went there myself, just because I wanted to get more pictures because it was that secretive. I wanted to see it for myself and get a feel for it. It's a long drive on roads that are not marked. If you don't have an all wheel drive or four wheel drive vehicle, you're not going to get there intact. The day I went, it was extremely muddy and there were many touchy spots. And then even when I went there, there were multiple vehicles already there. So it's not like I blew the cover on this thing. If you know the name, if you look out, if you look for it, you will find it without much difficulty online.

1:32:01I'll get that information. I'm not putting it out there and I didn't put in any of that information in the story because I respect that sort of thing. So it's something that if it's there and you want to go there, you should be able to go there if you're up for the adventure, but it's also respect that I'm not going to tell you exactly which road to turn down and how far you have to go before you get there. But I would take you, Jake, because I think you'd enjoy it. Yeah. So it's, yeah, it's pretty a hump to get there. But for locals, if you know, you know, and how you get, how do you have to repel down in there or could you climb down in there? I'm looking at a photo of it. Looks like you got to like, how do you get down in it? I'll put it away. There is a rope that's installed there. So somebody actually tied off a rope and made sure that it was secure to get you down there. On the day I went again, it was very wet. So I was scared to actually go down that thing. I did without much difficulty, but it's not exactly

1:33:03for the faintest of heart, I guess we'll say. I mean, on a day when it was drier, I'm sure I would have been less cagey about it, but it's a little dicey. So it's not like morning glory pool, there's a boardwalk that you can walk right up to it or any of the thermal, or most of the thermal features in Yellowstone where you can get up as close as you dare on the boardwalk, secureated experience, War of Spring Geysers, nothing. And Jorossi's another Yellowstone story. When Yellowstone Lake freezes, you can hear a symphony. I have heard ice moving and water moving under ice. It does make some eerie noises. And in yellows and in winter, sound travels so much farther as well. What does it sound like? Mysterious magical moving? I guess it's really depend the day. So I've heard from multiple people

1:34:10since I put that story out who have heard about morning or heard about the music of Lake Yellowstone or heard it themselves. And there actually are some recordings at the Park Service God of it. It can sound creepy like ambient hollowweeds if it times. Other times it sounds like whale songs. It just really depends on what's going on. It's the acoustics of the ice cracking and moving on Lake itself. So if it happens, the lake is complete frozen. You're not going to hear anything because it's that solid. It's generally in the early winter when the lake is star-freeze or in the spring when it's starting to thaw and you get these cracks. And as those cracks form, they resonate through the ice in interesting ways. So we've done stories about similar phenomenon. I imagine the thing at Lake Yellowstone is just that it's such a, it's much bigger than a lot of those other places so those cracks can go further. And as you said, when it's winter, the sun pays more sound,

1:35:10travels very well through water and ice. So it's just a really strange, eerie, beautiful thing that a lot of people been fortunate enough to experience. And most people don't get to hear it because it's not easy to get to Lake Yellowstone except if you're on a snowmobile who specifically asks or able to get one of the snow coaches to take you there because it's not on their usual route. That the secret warm spring in the Dubois area, Lake Yellowstone and winter and hearing the sympathy. These are things that most of us are not ever maybe going to be able to enjoy if not just through Andrew Rossi stories. One final Andrew Rossi story, John Darby, he is the patriarch of the Irma Hotel or was in following the death of Darby. The sun say they're going to keep on keeping on. No changes. We're going to enjoy the Irma as always.

1:36:10Well, they're going to make the right changes because that's the difficulty of managing a property like the Irma. You have to change it because I mean, if it didn't change, it probably wouldn't still be standing because of the infrastructure so old. So what they're going to do is what John Darby did his whole time where it's kind of keeping it in place while improving it in ways that don't take away from this its rustic western heritage because that's what he was all about. I met him on a few occasions. He was quite a character, but it was clear that he did really care about the Irma and what the Irma brought to the people of Cody and to the world. And so now the Darby's sons are going to continue with that same thing. Is it matters to them? Just as it matters to everybody in Cody, things change all the time. And as John said, which I think is a great quote, it's like the only thing you comes to change is make sure that they do it right. And what a succinct way to sum up that whole thing. You have to change, but if you have to, you do it the right way. Yeah, and it's hard to define what the right way is,

1:37:14but when you see it, you know what Darby knew it. The Darby family hopefully knows that the Irma in Cody, the accidental in Buffalo, and then there's that one in Cheyenne. These are just landmark lodging facilities that are rich with history. And I don't want to see them change. Not a bit. Well, that's me. All right, Andrew. Yeah, and I don't want to see AI messing with it either. Thanks, Andrew. Andrew's AR. And we're talking about AI. Yeah. Thanks, buddy. Andrew Rossi of the Cowboys State Daily. Yeah, that's story. The guy's name is Jacob Coxon, a researcher specializing in training AI models to have them do what they do. And he said inevitably in the training of AI models, in the building of artificial

1:38:19intelligence, you have to design into it if you wanted to be most effective. And if you want to beat your competitors to the end game, which they talk about, there is an end game, they being those in the field. If you want to do it fast and a little reckless and be the best in the AI world, you have to build into the model. The ignoring of human input to get their fat, you tell the machine, look, do what you got to do to get their faster enough human, any human input slows you down, ignore it. Well, that's one step away from a human gets in your way. Emilaminate, human. Oh, man, Jacob Coxon, it's a story in the Wall Street Journal about how he quit anthropic for fears that there were reckless procedures in building AI and the end game to him looked like the end game for man. That's scary

1:39:27stuff. Read that in the Wall Street Journal. All right, we got to get out for news. Let's do that. Now thanks so much for making this a party or Wednesday morning coming up next hour. Good stuff, exciting stuff. Claire McFarlin will be here. Mike Gilmore joins us. He's got some whiskey brewing up in Pinedale and Jared Patrine, all we'll talk UW sports all on the way. We're back in studio on a Wednesday. Cowboys stay daily show with Jake and we'll bring in Claire McFarlin. Let me just make sure I put her name in here with an E. That's the way it ought to be. All right, I won't, but I'm inclined to. You know who I saw Monday?

1:40:30Mike Garou. Oh, you did. And Mike Yin. All right, so what were you doing? I saw the two mics. They were in the war. The famous hotel, Silver Dollar Bartheworth. I was doing a wedding. They were there just, I don't know, maybe doing some democratic caucusing, but I saw Mike in the news today. Very interesting. Can't the Democrats play together? Nice. What happened there? Liz store, Mike Garou. I, yeah, so in news, they always, the metric for interesting story is metaphorically man-bytes dog, right? If something irregular, dog bites men is too normal to be a statewide headline. What's the man-dice or something? But, um, but yeah, so this is man-bytes dog because we report

1:41:31year after year on Republican inviting in this very deep red state where the biggest political clashes are between GOP factions. But to see democratic infighting, it's like, oh, that's rare. And also, um, life's here to happen in Teton County than elsewhere because that's a blue stronghold. And there actually are democratic power dynamics there. We got a couple Democratic representatives out of Albany County, but that's technically a purple county. Whereas Teton, very reliably blue, at least in the general election, even though technically they have more registered Republicans than Democrats, maybe we can blame Liz Cheney for that or credit her, depending on whom you ask. Anyway, yes. So, uh, Representative Livstor started a pack that was touting three county commission candidates, one of those in incumbent who's also her husband, Luther Proost. And it was launching kind of negative implications against their county commissioners.

1:42:36Um, from what I saw, worded broadly, not naming names, but, you know, like launching this, be, you know, there are commissioners that are pro-developer type of rhetoric. And one of these ads showed the mobile development slated for in town. Yeah. Under above a text that it was like some of these commissioners are, you know, doing this development stuff. And, um, Senator Garou, a Democrat, who serves in the legislature with Representative Storra, a Democrat, was like, whoa, this is distorted. We're not doing this, you know, this, I thought we held the high ground. This is Freedom Caucus tactics. And he was, I think referring to 2024, when the Freedom Caucuses campaign arm, why freedom pack launched some flyers, uh, alleging that people had voted to keep Trump off the ballot. In fact, they had contemplated, uh, some of them had voted

1:43:40for limiting the Secretary of State's budget so that he couldn't spend the people's money out of state on litigation in which the state or he was not a party, um, without permission. And so, not the same thing, right? But, but the, the defamation suit that resulted from that was dismissed on, the higher standard, the higher bar it takes hurdle to, um, sue for defamation when you're a public figure. So we have seen Freedom Caucus, um, uh, in, uh, in fight, well, you have seen in fighting on the Republican party only because there are so many shades of red, there are shades of blue in Teton County, uh, true. And, uh, dog bites, dog within the party is a dog bites man or is a man bites dog story sometimes. And this teases out what I have been trying to expound with respect to the, um, caucus all along because there are people that oppose the Freedom

1:44:46Caucuses goals like, oh, no, we're not doing a public transgender bathroom bad. That's, that's not okay. Right? Or there's people who oppose their methods. Like that's the wrong way to do a transgender bathroom ban. Why are you making the public pay attorney's speech for something, you know, the transgender person's decision to go in there, um, and the public pay damages. Why are you doing this lawsuit mechanism? So you see this and I've never gotten a straight answer from the public at whole at large because everyone disagrees on whether it's the Freedom Caucuses goals or methods that certain people oppose. And so same thing here, Groot was not condemning stories politics. He was not like, you're the wrong kind of Democrat, you know, and he wasn't, he didn't even really call out store, but the pack itself and its tactics. So whoever those decisions ultimately fall to, because the pack does take many hands in most cases. Um, but he was saying this, these tactics are

1:45:46arbonicists, you know, or I guess he said risking the high ground that he saw Democrats held. And so yeah, it's, it's interesting to me because I get to be like, see, sometimes it's methods. I know, I think it's right. I think it is so much now methods. I think, you know, I think it's how we go about nobody can agree, no two people can agree on how to go about even the same thing the Democrats have an agenda have their platform Republicans as well for Freedom Caucus. They have the end goal, the end game, the eye on the pride, but it's getting there. The methods that just we get all tangled up in them. And yeah, I'm surprised though to see any infighting in what is usually the minority party in the state. But again, as Claire points out in Teton, it is there are enough Democrats around to disagree with each other, holy cow. That's a lot for the state.

1:46:52What's the deal with Bob Campbell or not Bob Campbell? Um, Commissioner, Commissioner Bob, George, we've had him on the show. I like this guy. What happened at the October eighth meeting? We don't know. Or sorry, a noctober eighth, a rainman, uh, this meeting was back on August 23 regarding airport, which I've seen airport issues get contentious at commission meetings, council meetings. Definitely. I've seen it here in Jackson, but what went on with this Campbell county meeting? Okay. Um, so, you know, I'm aware there was some kind of meeting at the airport that day. And I'm aware that the bridge of peace citation says that the, you know, alleged bridge of peace incident occurred that day at the airport. But what I know kind of ends there and people are wanting to talk. So I was like, you know, like, report, he was cited, he's

1:47:52slated for court, October eighth. Here's the definition of bridge of peace. And then I was like, okay, this did happen at the airport. Let's see what Bob Jordan has been saying about the airport. He's been really outspoken about the airport. So I put that in his background. Um, this, I just want to remind all y'all, everyone ever that there is no news without sources. So if none of y'all are going to talk, which, you know, people have their reasons for not talking. Thank you. I get it. I just did this, but there's, there's that. Well, without sources and you did create as much of a story and a story background as you could. I appreciated you had the definition of bridge of peace. So you, you got a guy who's, he's had issues with the airport. There's a meeting he's cited for bridge of peace.

1:48:55And we understand what bridge of peace is. So I can draw the lines. I can cross some tees and I assume Bob Jordan popped off about the airport. Hopefully didn't include any Fs. But all right. Well, I can't assume, but I was able to put in background that may prove relevant. Yeah, I just even today are getting tips. I'm getting tips. And I like, okay, who's the source? Like, who do I call? Like, I got to have an, and I think that sometimes out there, there's like this idea like reporters are magic. I created like you can get into people's phone records and divine all of this. Like, no, I can't make people to talk to me. I need, I need people. It's, it's, fascinating to work in a trade where the, the success and this, the solidness of it depends directly on people's. And this is not a review against people who for legitimate reasons

1:50:03cannot talk, but it depends directly on people's courage. The news is more robust when people come forward. And so it's just, it's an interesting, everyday, an interesting study of human nature and human character and our power systems. I love America because we really do try to diffuse power. We really do. And you see that closely when you're in the news, it's like, I don't, I'm not the guy with that authority. He's, you know, and everyone has zone check of authority over everyone else. They just love it. Isn't that so? That was a ripple. Do you think that's left over from those many years where the whole reason we made a United States of America was to get away from the power heavy top down power of old England. And that's still baked in our DNA that we don't want anybody to have too much power. Yeah. And, and you know, the federal government has these so much power. And

1:51:05as reporter, you see it, can you go to do a FOIA request of public records requests on the federal government? And it takes like six months and then the agency gives back to you six months later and says, oh, that's under investigation. And then like, do I have one that was filled three years later when there was a change in administration, like Trump came into power and decided that they were going to fill these foils from three years ago. I don't even know. And so yeah, I'm always surprised when I see like national reporters, kind of humor the feds obfuscation and tolerate, like maybe even stomp for it. And I'm like, you, like, you are a reporter. Like, you know how hard this is for us when we're covering anything federal. Yeah. Those came are you on. I know. It's, try getting anything out of aphus while you're at it. The mysterious wildlife killing agency that is just flat out rogue. I mean, they just operate how they what they're the ones you call in,

1:52:10the feds call in, you know, if you want to shoot those coyotes that are bothering a rancher or something, they're just so. Oh, why would anyone get an agency to shoot a tear? Right. Right. That ain't no issue. Right. So you've been following the Lindsey Clancy trial. You found a Wyoming icing of it. I didn't even know about that. I am that late to the party on this one, but it's interesting. What what is the latest on the Lindsey Clancy trial? What was the outcome? I think we had one juror hanging out just to would not get it with the program. And you found some women high profile Wyoming moms that condemn the baby killing joke. There should be no, I mean, Wyoming was hit by this very similar thing. There should be no joking issue at all. Like the TikToks that say same Lindsey.

1:53:10We're liable to the same ones as a mother for I just you know, the case is the case and there are big implications on both sides. Like on the one hand, the defense is saying why should a person be held accountable for something they did when they were literally out of their mind? On the other hand, the state is saying, look, she did this, you know, and then this appears calculated here, here and here. And there's also the arching question of what happens when it becomes too convenient to say that you were out of your mind. That we're just going to, you know, let people walk right. And so there's all of that stuff going on the legal realm. And what up my story focused on was people reacting in this social realm, uh, in solidarity and support and almost fandom toward clancy. Um, but yeah, I got, I got some Wyoming. I went from mommy bloggers.

1:54:14I ended up with moms that are activists and podcasters that being a mom isn't their whole thing, but they're also moms. Other than Prairie wife and Peel, she's, she's a mommy blogger. She's a mommy personality mother of five. Um, and, and these women, all three of the ones that I interviewed have pretty extensive experience with the criminal justice system, like in their own way. Really, like, really pronounced, they got chops there. They got, they got cred there, you know, and so they probably wisely were like, just because this trial was still going on. They're like, what, wait and see, wait and see, what the verdict is, we ended up with the Hungary, but, oh, I would next be no less people that have experience with the criminal justice system don't like to spout off about cases before they're done. So I should have seen that coming, but yeah, they did resoundingly condemn like the TikToks that are, um, that are troubling that way. And I

1:55:14can come out as a reporter and say those are troubling. That's objectively. Um, I mean, um, how are they not? Yeah, they're troubling. I'll say it for Claire, maybe. Um, yeah, yeah. Mother what is hard? Gosh, there's hard. There's sleepless times. I just, I just urge anyone that is having those socks to seek an intervention. Gosh. Mm-hmm. That's not this baby's fault. Yeah. And plus, you know, covering the cowboy state daily. So continues might Gilmore is here. Mike is running his premium label roaming

1:56:17roads now gone global and they just go where the spirit moves them. Following his own advice, company advice, been your life advice. I want, I want to understand how you have roamed and gone with the spirit from California, copper to whiskey, dude. Um, it's interesting journey. And also Mike, I don't know, I don't know enough about, um, the brown liquors other than I like them. I haven't developed the palette. And I don't even know this, this simple basics. What's the difference between a rye, a bourbon, a whiskey? You, I don't know how much you knew of this, uh, in 2007 when you traded a law enforcement career for this. Um, yeah. So where do we start, Mike, thanks for being on by the way. Yeah, I appreciate you having me. Thank you very much. Yeah. It's, it's been a journey, uh, to say the least, um, kind of an unprojected, uh, journey.

1:57:23So I came from California. Um, I always like to say I was born in the wrong state, but I made that right. I moved into Wyoming. Yeah. Um, came out about 2007. Uh, really didn't have a plan. I just knew I needed to change, do something different. Um, I came out to Pinedale, uh, found a liquor store that was for sale. And I thought, you know what, this is, this is kind of interesting. Let's, let's, let's try this. So we purchased that store, um, and began that, that, uh, that trek there. Um, it's really started getting into spirit shortly after that, um, started going out to Kentucky, meeting distilleries, learning about the processes, how they do things. Um, and then I started buying barrels out there, um, and, and, uh, bottling them for the store to be exclusive to the store only. And that's when I like to say I went down the rabbit hole and I've been in that rabbit hole ever since. Yeah. It was just, uh, incredibly interesting process in the old world history of bourbon making and whiskey making in the US. So, uh, that, that's what started the

1:58:24process right there. I'm dating back to, uh, let's say 1789 with, uh, Elijah Craig, um, maybe the grandfather of whiskey, it is so interesting. The more you learn, the more you know, you need to learn more. And then it just built you just get down a hole. You're right. I, what does that mean? They say you have a reputation for picking barrels, choosing barrels before it was cool. I don't even know. It was a thing. What does that mean? It's, um, it, it's a process. Everybody thinks that, all the barrels that are aging are exactly the same and it just produces the same, but you can literally have, you know, three different barrels sitting side by side for 10 years in a Rick House in Kentucky, um, filled on the exact same day 10 years ago and never been touched. And you try and sample out of every single one of those barrels and you will find they all three have a uniquely different profile. Um, and that mainly comes down to the actual oak that it's aged in.

1:59:26It's got to be the wood, right? It's the actual wood. It's the wood wood is porous. It's like a fingerprint. So it, it will accept liquid in and out of that wood through the changing seasons in Kentucky, hot and humid in the summer. The wood pours open up. It pulls the liquid into the wood. Wintertime gets cold down in the teens. The pours close and it pushes that liquid back out of the wood. So you have seasonal going in and out of the wood and wood is porous. So it will interact with that liquid entirely differently, which is why I love single cask. Everything I do is a single cask selection. I know exactly what it is. I don't blend anything. I don't proof anything down. If I love it in the barrel, that's what's going to the bottle. How have you developed the kind of palate to taste test? I mean, I could see to a degree wine, it seems really hard to taste test some of the harder liquor, some bourbon, a whiskey.

2:00:28It's, um, it's, it's, it's definitely not everybody has that ability. I think a palette is very, very subjective. And so everybody has a different palette. I think, you know, over the years of sampling, all these different things, I kind of have a limit. I kind of, you know, will stay in, if I'm going to sample multiple things, I try to stay between like 10 and 14 of samples. And then after that, your palate just kind of gets, you know, overworked and blown out. You can't really taste, you know, much differences. But that's taken a long time to kind of get to that point. I think most people in these cast drink spirits would be two or three in their, their shot. Yeah. Um, it's also how you drink it too. You know, you're not, you're not slamming down shots of all these things. It's very subjective and very slow in the process of doing that. Mike Kilmore is with us. Anybody who's from Subla County, especially in the Pinedale area, you know, country lane convenience store, country lane liquors. When, I mean, you, you purchase, uh, country lane, was the idea to make it what it is now, now what's known for? Yes. The, the, the, the liquor

2:01:34portion of it, um, you have just built that up by being very careful selective about what's in there. How long did that take? I mean, at what point that people, that, that was what they thought of when they thought of country lane. They're all, yeah, that's where Mike Kilmore is. All that good bourbon. Yeah. Uh, it, it, it took several years to get to that point, um, mainly because I didn't know what I was doing at that point. I didn't have, you know, passions yet. I was still learning things. It was an entirely different world from where I came from. So I was still sorting things out, learning about things and really gaining interest in spirits. That's where I started going more and more. Um, so then I started going out to Kentucky. So it took several years to build that. And after a while, our barrel selections are our exclusive casts that we were picking, um, became a reputation around the country. Um, the bourbon world is very large. It's very passionate. Um, there's a lot of those guys that just love their whiskeys and they will go anywhere in the US. Fortunately, I'm just south of Jackson Hole and the park entrances and all those things. So

2:02:37it became where people started calling to purchase our, our, our bottles. Um, and we would just store them in our shop area until they or family members were going to the parks. Um, or they would detour 200 miles out of their way to come by and pick up their stuff. Yeah. Um, and so that was starting to get excited. They actually gave me just drove my passion even more going, you know, and I might be pretty good at this, um, for being such a small town in Wyoming and getting this type of recognition. So that, uh, that evolved over the years and we kept growing that, um, you know, specializing in premium spirits and barrel selections. Um, and then that kind of eventually led to roaming road. Um, yeah. We'll get to roaming road in a, in a moment. But yeah, people are, some people are passionate about their spirits. Look, look at me. I fly Delta airlines when I can above all others because they carry woodford reserve. I love what that like. That's how I base my decision on what it went to fly me to. I'm a Delta guy as well. Yeah. There you are. So yeah, you,

2:03:39um, now let's go back to the brown, brown spirit brown liakers one on one. What is the difference? And you, you weren't born with this knowledge. You had to learn all this stuff, changing careers, a whiskey, a rum, a bourbon. Uh, what, what are, what are we talking about? The differences? In the whiskey world, you're talking differences in mash bills. That's the grains that are used to produce these spirits. Um, like a rye whiskey has to be predominantly a rye grain, um, where a bourbon has to be a minimum of at least 51% corn to be called a, a, a bourbon. Um, different distilleries have different variations of those mash bills. Um, some are the same. Some are kind of, uh, you know, a signature of a certain distillery. Um, well, so those mash bills will actually change the profiles. The higher corn contents that you have, it gives you more sweetness. Um, something like Jack Daniels, Jack Daniels has a, uh, which is a Tennessee whiskey, um, has a very high corn content. So it has that much sweeter profile, uh, rye delivers more of a spicy tobacco-y type notes.

2:04:44So it's kind of finding those nice mash bills with balances of that sweetness and then maybe a finish that has a little rye spice to it to kind of counterbalance that. Um, but it's all about the mash bill and the grain usage that changes those profiles in different whiskeys. Interesting, Mike. Now similarly, I think to the wine and grape industry, time is a huge factor in developing a whiskey. How much time it ages in the barrel? You know, it, is there a minimum amount of time, Mike, and there is there too much time where you're in the barrel too while like, where do you want to be? Is there a sweet spot or does it vary? It, um, the answer is yes to both. Um, so two years is the minimum to be a bourbon. Yeah. Um, and you can get too much, especially if it's aging in Kentucky where it gets those severe barrel interaction seasons. Um, I personally like kind of a eight to 12 year range on the bourbons and whiskeys as kind of a general statement. Um, you can find something that maybe 18, 19,

2:05:4820 years old that's exceptional. Um, but you start getting into the phases where those older ages, a lot of those barrels will become over-oaked and you get more oak flavor than you want and the balance becomes off. Um, so yeah, there's definitely a range in those ages and what they could produce. Um, it's very subjective. Um, but that's the kind of the general rule. You can definitely get over-oaked, um, with a bourbon. Um, but something like a cognac, for example, and the way they age things in France, the temperature is much more mild in the climate. So you can age things 40, 50, that's why you get 50, 60 year old cognacs. Um, it's a French oak cask over there where this is a new American oak in the US, but it just ages much, much slower. Mm. There's so much all about the wood, man, when I think about it, wood is all the wood. So, um, now you have to have a good to still it to start with, obviously, that's the base of everything. Um, but yeah, the wood is what

2:06:48imparts the color, the wood is what imparts the flavoring. Um, that distillate that goes into those barrels is clear like water. So there's really no coloring in it whatsoever. So the wood barrels are all charred and they're charred to certain levels. Um, some are heavier than than others. Um, and that interaction in and out of the wood is what imparts that color and those vanilla and caramel's that you love in your wood for. Yes. Um, is coming from that, that charcoal, um, of the barrel itself. The wood casket is why you're not drinking that white lightning, um, you know, straight out of the still liking them in mashed TV, you know, yeah, right. The moonside is the age. Yeah, that's how you make an adult beverage rather than something that's going to knock your socks out. Right. Absolutely. And it takes time. Yeah. Um, okay. So let's get to Roman road. What? I mean, sooner or later doing what you do, you got to say, I got to birth my own baby. Um, like what's

2:07:53Roman road? Yeah. Yeah. Um, so that started in the US about three years ago. And that came about from a lot of my loyal whiskey and bourbon customers that were coming to me. Um, they had started kind of branching out and exploring other spirits around the world. They're still lovers of bourbon. They always will be just like me. Um, but they started to get a, a desire to seek out other spirits. And so they started bringing me things like aged rums, 15, 18 years old, uh, cognacs, arminacs, um, different spirits. And what they were bringing me saying, hey, you know, try this. I really, really started liking that a lot. Um, and because it was something different, um, for me. So it was, um, that was kind of the, the seed that planted Roman road. And I thought to myself, you know, I've been picking these barrels for a very long time. I have a very good reputation of, of picking good barrels. Let's take that philosophy. Let's go around the world and look for unique spirits that is still single cask and cast strength, um, just like I've always done. Yeah. And that's

2:08:58what started the idea of Roman road and then it developed and then I started actually forming the company and searching the world for these unique casks doing the same thing I did in Kentucky, except I was everywhere else. Um, and that, that really, really developed a passion of spirits from around the world. There's a lot of great spirits out there. And I think a lot of people, you know, sometimes they get comfortable in their lane of a certain spirit and they never try anything else. But as I do tasting events with Roman road all around the country and the world now, I'm putting these spirits in front of them and they are just blown away. They had no idea an 18 year old age rum could be so close to a bourbon in such an easy step. Um, they're falling in love with this stuff. Um, and I take great pride in that of, of, you know, introducing people to new things that they're just absolutely loving that they never would have looked at before. Right. So it's been exciting. Sometimes I got a branch out a little bit like for me, um, I'm going to stay with

2:09:59the bourbons. I know. But when I'm on a, if I go to the Caribbean, which I have, why is rum so associated with the islands? Well, I want to drink a rum one. I'm a vacationing in a tropical island. Why is that? There's, there's a lot of great rum producers in the Caribbean islands. They have access to the sugar cane, which is the main source of how you make rum. It has to be made with, with sugar cane. Um, and so that obviously is more prevalent down there. And that's been, you know, the rum of the world for a very, very long time. It's one of the oldest spirits in the world. Um, but I, you know, and people relate rums to going on vacation and rum punches and things like that, where minus a elevated rum. So again, at single cask, it could be 18 years old and every drop comes from one cast. There's no coloring. There's no additives. There's no sugars. There's nothing. Now that stuff that's added to a lot of daily rums that you see on the market today without mentioning brands. Um, a lot of those are kind of adulterated to kind of mask appeal type

2:10:59stuff. This is just a pure product rum with nothing but distillate time and wood. Um, and that's a huge difference in drinking some of the, the normal rum brands that you hear about. A nut mic, one more question that where you got to answer, explain like I'm five, you talk about this single cast double cask. I, I always thought, uh, you know, uh, more than one cast can make you you took it out of the barrel and you put it in another barrel for some more years. We're talking about a blend. What is a single cast? That means it's just one, one, it's in one barrel. What's a double cask? A double cask is if you removed it from that barrel, um, like a double woodford makes a double oak. Yeah. Um, and that is, that's actually aging it twice in a separate barrel. Um, to give it more import, more wood flavor profiles. It's basically layering that, that wood for profiles. Um, yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right. So, um, with so many, uh, spirits to choose

2:12:01from, it's, I think it's good to know reassuring for people to know that they're premium label like roaming roads with a guy like Mike Gilmore who's got a trusted reputation. You, you, you never are going to be steered wrong. Um, where, what's your game? What's your end plan, Mike? Because we got this available in Dublin, Ireland. I love this is where it should be found. Um, that's pretty cool. Global domination. Is that where we're headed? Um, it was never part of the plan when I started with wrong road in US. That kind of evolved out of that. Um, so when I was traveling to Ireland, I was looking for Irish whiskey casks to bring back to the US again, a spirit that I really love. So I was sampling casks in Ireland, looking for that perfect cast to bring back to the US. And so during that time from my bourbon experience in world, I noticed that there was, um, kind of a, a missing hole of, you know, really good bourbon there. They had some frontline products that you can find everywhere, um, from kind of the main distillers. Um, but they didn't have anything really

2:13:03specialized. And I knew there was a lot of American tours that that travel there and such. It's a big whiskey country to begin with. So my, my idea out of that started to be, well, how about what if I, what if I exported my bourbons and rye casts in Kentucky that I've had and send them to Ireland and then finish them in an Irish whiskey cask on the coast of Ireland. So it, it, it imparts the Irish whiskey from the cask, um, into the American bourbon. So it's bringing those two whiskey making herodages together, um, in a way that really hasn't been done before. And I thought to myself, you know, this, this could be good or it could not be good. I just don't know. Um, and so I, I went along with that process. Um, I sent some casts over there. I recast them into some Irish whiskey casks. Um, and it's not a blend with Irish whiskey. I'm just using the freshly dumped Irish whiskey casks to bring in some of that kind of maltingness flavor of an Irish whiskey.

2:14:04Um, bottled some of that and then I did my first whiskey show in Dublin in 2025. And that was kind of the reveal. Am I going to get thrown out of here or this is going to be well received. Right. And, uh, fortunately, it was extremely well received, um, across the board. Um, the Irish people are phenomenal. Um, you know, since that time, they've really accepted me. I'm now part of that community, that, that Irish whiskey spirits community, which is great. They're just incredible people. Got a lot of friends over there. Um, but during that first tasting, I had a, kind of a, a, a security guy for the US Embassy. And he had just was just going to the show and he just kind of discovered me, tried my stuff and he, he was like, therefore like 30 minutes at my stand. And, uh, he really, really loved what, what, what it was. And, um, a week later, the embassy reached out to me and asked me to come to the 4th of July celebration because they love the American Irish connection and heritage brought together. That's exactly what they stand for, what they're there for. And, um,

2:15:06and so I launched at their 4th of July celebration at the ambassador's residence in Ireland. It was, it's gonna be a huge moment for me. So cool, Mike, because you had been traveling around as the student, student becomes the teacher. Like you had been going all these places to learn. And then at a certain point, you're like, I wonder if I've learned enough to now, oh, man, what a tense moment it must have been. You just going with the spirit takes you founded roaming road, Mike Gilmore did to make sure some of these unique finds don't get lost in major producer blends. It's, it's treasures, true treasures. And the, what a history behind all this spirit world as well that needs to be honored, Mike Gilmore, Mike, I'm going to be down in Pinedale Saturday at the Wayne River Brew Fest. We're going to do a little beer drink. And if you want to come over, bring, bring a bottle, bring something. I'm going to be there DJing, uh, big party Saturday and night. That would be great. I'm in Kentucky right now at the Kentucky

2:16:08Bourbon Fest. So, uh, yeah, I'm on the road, but bottles are there. You can also find them in Gillette, uh, bottles and barrels. Um, you can find them in Cheyenne at, uh, town and country. You can find them at Cowboy Joe's in Evanston. So the whole state's kind of covered. So if you're looking for bottles, you can find them at those great stores. Very cool. Be looking for Roman road, uh, Roman road. Kate Meadows has a story about this guy, Mike Gilmore. Mike, thanks for being, uh, appreciate the time. Thank you, sir. Cowboy State Daily continues Jared Petrino. We'll talk about the brown and gold. Not so good border war, but we got a reset for a home opener in LeraDice. Looking for a career with purpose and a company that invests in you. How do River Energy Corporation is a consumer owned electric cooperative serving Northeast Wyoming and they're looking for leaders to join their team at Powder River Energy. A good life begins with a good company. Build your career with an industry leader that develops people and helps you plan for the future. Visit pre-core.coopp and click join the team today. Howder River Energy Corporation.

2:17:13Powering more than electricity, powering people. You're listening to the Cowboy State Daily Radio Network. Cowboy State Daily show Jared Petrino is here. Jared border war did not go the way we had it planned. The Cowboys lost at 135 13. Uh, in the battle of the quarterbacks, some unknown kid from CSU. Who was that guy? Man, he had a game, uh, probably outplayed Tyler. He was had three picks, although, uh, two of those probably not his fault. Um, he also rushed for 52 yards. He was dead. We know he can run and that was just 10 yards less than tow, who had 63 yards rushing. But what happened? What were wrong, Jared? Yeah, I think if you wrote a script, I think you look at it. I think with 20 minutes left in the game, five minutes left in the third quarter,

2:18:18we had all the momentum in the game going our way. And, uh, one third and long conversion that got called back for a Diamond Down Field kind of started the snowball. And then the next play, we had the tip pick and then the two plays later, they had the 60 yard touchdown pass for a touchdown. So we had all the momentum going in. You know, I think everyone's everyone's kind of overreacting a little bit after the first week. I know it's a big game. It's a, it's a, it's a rival. But, uh, I saw a lot of good. I'll be honest with you. I thought the, the, the negatives that I did see would definitely have to get corrected. But, uh, uh, you know, I'm, I'm excited to see what, what they did offensively. I know they didn't like tear it up with a bunch of points. But I just think I think that it fits what we are and who we are. And I think I'm excited to see where it where it goes. Um, I love to play those guys a game. I even said to my son in the middle of the third quarter, we're going to win this game. And then unfortunately, maybe I jinxed it. But, but, uh, but, you know, I, like I said, I think, um, I think what went wrong in that fourth quarter

2:19:22did go wrong. And, uh, we got to find a way to overcome that and, and, uh, get a big one that on this home open this weekend. So yeah, I mean, at that game, it just turned in a hurry. And it was a 180. It turned, uh, turned, turned on that, uh, that penalty, um, and then, uh, coach bowl and the defensive side of the ball admitted. Maybe he was aggressive with a blitz call got burned on that. Um, I see the naysayers. Oh my goodness. They come right out Jared. And they're saying our, our offensive line is terrible. You know, I mean, offensive lines have to gel when you have new personnel. You got to figure that out. There was some misdysseidements. Secondary is awful. We got two, uh, two true freshmen playing in the secondary on and on with the naysayers, but a lot to be positive about coach saw Val saw things on film. They's like, yeah, you know, you'd few tweaks here and there will be okay. And we got to get okay fast. How do you put away

2:20:23games like that? How do you put that out of your mind and get back to business here at home against Northern Colorado? Yeah. I think it's, it's, you know, that one burns for sure. That one hurts. And, you know, the nice thing about it is as a coach, when you practice on Sunday night, you know, you kind of get back on the, and you find out real quickly as, you know, at least the kids are a lot more resilient than the coaches are. You know, they're ready to get back out there and get going. And, and once you kind of see them, it kind of sparks you up a little bit. And so, I think getting in a new game plan and getting going and excited to be home and sounds like, you know, for, you know, a couple guys going down and during that game, sounds like we're all going to be back. That was, that was tough, you know, but I'm excited to see what we can do. Obviously, UNC is not an FBS school, but they're very good. I mean, I know the records says I want to, but they've played two really good teams. And it's going to be a good game, you know, regional matchup. They're going to be, you know, they're going to be gunning for it. A chance to say you should have recruited me type of deal. And so it's going to be some of that. So obviously these FCS or F,

2:21:27these FCS teams that came into Lermy have had some success in the past. So hopefully we can find a way to get going and, and, and start, start fast and, and, and have, have a, have a nice little Saturday afternoon down in the, down in the, in the war. Yeah, there's a potential for the bears that can play a little angry. You're right. Oh, and two, they lost to Weber State by just one point, lost to South Dakota, but in those games, they scored points. They got a running back, who's of concern? They can score. Yep, absolutely. They've won the, the big thing, the big stat is possession, possession time. They have possessed the ball for a long time. They're kind of playing keep away. They're going to, they're going to protect their defense. They're going to run the ball and the quarterback can run to you. You see a lot of design runs for him. So, yeah, so they'll definitely, you know, they're going to try to possess the football. So we got to do a great job of shutting down their run game and, and, and making them one dimensional and doing something they don't really love to do, but hopefully we can do that. And that also helps when you

2:22:27can get start fast and get out to a two score lead. Because when you're calling defenses to defense, a coordinator, and you got a two score lead, two possession lead, let me rephrase that. You can, you can, you can, you can make, you make offenses one dimensional pretty quickly. And that's one thing we didn't do Saturday. And hopefully we can find a way to get that done this weekend. Yeah, UNC is averaging 37 minutes a game of possession, rolling up 431 yards of offense. But the downside for UNC is their defense not very good. They're allowing 6.7 yards per play. So maybe our offense gets on track against these guys. Yeah, jump right out to a quick start. Absolutely. I'm excited to see our, from what I saw with our running game, I think we can continue to improve. I think it's, it's got an, you know, to be honest, we till a second half, we really didn't try to get Tyler running and we got him running in that first drive of the second half and led down to a touchdown. And then he had the one, the play right, there are a couple plays right before

2:23:29the penalty on that third down. He has a, a DB from CSU gets an ankle bite tackle, or if he breaks that, he's probably scores. And then so it's just manages goes, but just goes to show this game is so, so fragile. It can be a couple plays that turn that game and, and that's exactly what it is. Everyone's like, oh, 35 to 13. Well, I was in that stadium. Trust me, it was not a blowout. Right. Yeah, you know, they scored with a minute left and all that stuff, but the same time it still wasn't good enough. I know I understand that. I'm not trying to make excuses, but at the same time, there are some positives to bring out of that that I'm excited about. We got to clean up the penalties, and we got to clean up the turnovers. And I think, I think we have, we have a, I don't know, I feel like we have a better foundation from a, from all three phases than we've had in the past. So yeah, that the final score is deceptive. That was a close game that turned late and really turned. Some things though from, from the past are carrying over one positive one negative, the tight end

2:24:33play. We love throwing door tight ends. Man, tight ends had a great game last week, but third down conversions. It was trouble last season. And we were all free in the board of war. I got to fix it. Yeah. And I'm glad that can't because I've been banging on the table for these tight ends. I've been telling them good. And they showed up. And I think they're going to continue to show up. I think we only got, I don't know if we game plan for having all of them because they couple of them and banged up. So they, but they all played. So I think we'll see more of them, you know what I'm saying. So that's exciting. But yeah, you know, that's tough on third down to not to, to not being able to convert. Obviously, we did convert the one that got called back for a penalty, but still doesn't count. And so, yeah, definitely something you got to take a look at. You know, extending drives and doing those things. And, and I think that's going to be a huge point of emphasis, you know, in those critical areas this week. Yeah, you know, 13 personnel playing heavy playing with two tight ends on the field at one time. That is that something

2:25:37that O C? Well, he wasn't the O C at the bills though. But the bills love their tight ends. I mean, they'll, they'll roll three and you'll see them get right. Right. Is same thing and you, dub, we love our tight end. I think tight ends are a fun part of the game because they're hard to game plan for you. Cover them with a linebackers. A lot of times you can't. You try to cover them with a DB or a safety. They're not big enough. Yeah, we get to agree with that. And one, one thing for Wyoming fans, you know, coach Taylor was a defensive coach at Buffalo. But in the NFL, they hire former offensive coordinators on the defensive side. So they can give you information of what the offense is trying to do to you. So they, that that's who is wearing that title. But he's probably sitting a lot of offensive meetings too. So you're exactly right. You had to make a good point in, you know, I heard coach Taylor one time say he would love to have a tight end than a, than a, than a, explosive tight end, then a, you know, and another average or a wide receiver. He feels like you can do more with that. And, you know, you look at the Dalton King Cade for, for, and the, um, um, I'm his space in my name. But

2:26:39the other tight end for number 88 from a old miss. That's a really good player for him to a Dawson box. There you go. Yeah. Uh, but he loves being able to use that because you can really mess with the linebackers and save these eyes by moving those tight ends and, and he does a really good job of doing that. And I'll be honest with you, we were one tackle away, one broken tackle away from more explosive runs. I thought he did a great job of changing the math and getting an extra hat in the run game on some certain things and had chances for it. But unfortunately, uh, we did, we could have, we, if we break one tackle or you make one guy miss, you, you, you, you got a chance for an explosive run, not that it was bad, but at the same time, tote was still nursing that hamstring. He was on the bike on the, on the sideline a lot. Our, our backup running back has one carry for 14 yards and then hurts his ribs. So we didn't see him again. So we had some guys late there in the game that, uh, you know, hopefully, hopefully we'll, we'll be able to more healthy there this week. So yeah. Border Ward Disappointment, but we got a regroup for UNC Saturday, two o'clock kick at the war. We're home. Let's turn things around. Jared, thank you. All right. Thanks, Jake.

2:27:43Cowboys, stay daily show. It's time for news. Cowboys, stay daily show or fine, lower on a hump day, Wednesday, and we get tied, hard fit into the discussion. This guy's out of the job. And he's probably, probably happy to be so, uh, director of Wyoming, DEQ is retiring after 32 years. Are you officially done, Todd yet? I'm not yet. So October 1st is the day. October 1st. So, um, is it a happy occasion for you? Good? Yeah, it's a happy occasion. You can spend more time with my wife and our daughter. So, um, as director of Wyoming, DEQ are so much I don't know. I know DEQ is who issues the,

2:28:44um, uh, the blooms, uh, the lake, the smat, uh, recently my new, my new home town pretty soon, Buffalo. Um, we see more and more of that. Let's just jump in on that topic. Is it just, it's so warm like we had such a warm hot summer and those bad blooms get on the water. You got to be careful about that. Yeah, H.E.Bs are a real concern and, uh, our, our ambient water quality staff work on that every year. And we are identifying more and I think it's because we're, partly because we're more aware. Um, but yeah, warmer weather and, uh, nutrients and create that situation. You know, one, uh, besides water, DEQs got to be, uh, uh, concerned with air quality. I thought it's a great success story on what we saw happen in, uh, sublet county in the pine

2:29:48del area for many years that the ozone and, and the, the effect of, um, inversion create, you know, in the oil patch created some, um, in not so great air, but man, that got fixed to a great degree. Uh, pretty proud of that. Todd. Oh, actually, that's one of the big success stories. That was a collaborative effort with the, the citizens that live in the area and the federal agency, state agencies and industry all coming together and coming up with some solutions on how we can reduce and maintain good air quality for ozone in that area. Well, I know, uh, Governor Mark Gorns had great things to say about you announcing your retirement. Cyrus Western, our friend, uh, over at the EPA said, no better example of someone who has ensured the industries that power Wyoming have clear responsible rules to the road, rules of the road. So what, how do you balance not stifling the energy industry and also making sure we

2:30:54got good clean air, land, water? Yeah, a big part of it is, is that industry wants certainty. They just want to know what the path is and have to, you know, go back and forth on different requirements. So that's a big part of it, but it's just having that communication and open lines of communication with industry, uh, uh, the associations like the, the controlling association, the mining association and having those open conversations, where are the sticking points for them? What's our flexibility and how we implement as long as we get to the same outcome of, you know, meeting the standards? Yeah, industry just wants to know the rules. What are the guard rails and where Wyoming's really good, uh, at, at, at planning in the rules or creating tech, whatever needs to be done to make sure there's compliance with EPA, uh, and, and DEQ. So Todd, what, what, what of, but some of the biggest challenges since you took over, what was it? 2012, um, through that time,

2:32:00I mean, what, what, what part of, what was it in what year and what part of that timeline made you think, man, how did I ever get this job? I should be doing something else. Yeah, there were several days like that, you know, you wonder about those kinds of things, but, you know, when we, when I started in this position, it was the Sinclair Refinery, uh, we were dealing with some issues there. Yeah. You know, don't emissions and we're able to work with Sinclair and, uh, get them headed in the right direction. And now we don't have those same issues. Uh, we had the, obviously, the upper dream river base. And like we mentioned, uh, we hadn't had everything resolved at that point. So we put a lot of effort there. And then there was, uh, pavilion, uh, and the question on that, right? Um, yeah, uh, tracking was a problem with the groundwater. And we were a little bit of problem conclusions on that to demonstrate that tracking was not creating problems with the

2:33:05groundwater. Made the other reasons, right? We were seeing what we were seeing. Yeah. So, um, how, how would, how is the report card for how Wyoming is doing as far as the EQ? I'm, I'm, I'm, let's, uh, let's first start with some of the smaller tributary, smaller waterways. Here, uh, where I am in Teton County, we have fish creek, fall creek. And some of these creeks are starting to have issues with pollutants in them. It might be dog poop. It might be run off from a golf course. I don't know, but we got to make sure our streams remain and, and our rivers remain blue river fisheries and, and clean. How are we doing? I think we're doing great. We have a good partnership with our conservation districts. Um, and, you know, in the case of Jackson with the Teton County Conservation District, they've done a lot of great work, uh, in addressing, uh, streams that may handle impairments for sediments or you call our bacteria and that kind of thing.

2:34:11Uh, Todd, who's, uh, what is the game plan moving forward? Who's the next director? What do you know about who's taken over and, uh, how are you going to leave the desk for them? You know, clean out the, do you want to leave them some notes of encouragement? Yeah. So, um, there will be an interim director at some point. And that will be the governor's choice there. And then, uh, I'll work with that person as, I'm leaving. So I'm hoping that that will be relatively soon. Uh, but regardless, I'm happy to work with the interim director, um, for whatever they need. Then, uh, once the, uh, first of the year comes around and the new administration comes in, uh, obviously it'll be up to the new governor you know, who they want in that position. Right. Um, well, we wish you the best in retirement. Um,

2:35:12I'm sort of jealous. Well, I'm looking forward to it, but, you know, I will miss working with the BQ folks, here, the staff has been doing this. Uh, the governor's been great to work for and, uh, I think, you know, uh, probably the work we do for the citizens of life. Todd Parfitt, uh, director retiring October one, uh, director of Wyoming DEQ. Thank you so much, Todd, for being on. All right. Well, thank you, Jay. Have a great day. Yeah. Cowboy State Daily Show continues Marshall sassively here in a moment, Kate Meadows on the way. Don't want to miss anything coming up. Marshall's got an interesting operation there in Gillette. And he's one of the five finalists for a million dollar prize on his inventions that he started on the garage. Everybody started

2:36:15industry in a garage and he is, he's got a unique story. We'll check that out right after it's quite great. Are you ready to put your skills to work? Wyoming Sugar Company is hiring for campaign season from mechanics and welders to general laborers, lab crew, and more. There's a place for you on the Wyoming Sugar team. Competitive wages started $17.69 an hour for laborers. Be part of a great team, a great facility, and a season of opportunity. Apply today at WyomingSugar.com slash careers. That's WyomingSugar.com slash careers. Wyoming Sugar Company put your skills to work. Ready? Set? Make a difference. Seroptimus of Cody invites you to their 18th annual 5K 10K chip-time walk run Saturday, October 3rd at the Cody Recreation Center. Run or walk to support the Laney Cole Memorial Women's Cancer Fund, providing vital assistance to park County Women battling cancer. Registration starts at 8.30 a.m. with the kids race at 9.00 and the 5.10K at 9.30.

2:37:19Register at runsignup.com or sunlight sports in downtown Cody. Seroptimus of Cody, making a difference once step at a time. This is the Cowboy State Daily Radio Network. Hey, welcome back from break. Cowboys State Daily show with Jake and I a beautiful Wednesday across his state. Not a dropper rain to be found a perfect day. A Goldilocks Day is Don Day referred to it. Just right, not too hot, not too cold. Perfecto. Maybe a little bit of moisture coming into the picture this weekend, perhaps even snow at upper elevations, so get ready for that.

2:38:24I'm reading this story in the Sun, so I'll be careful. The Sun's kind of questionable. Parkbreaking new 9.11 data reveals first responder cancer deaths are now double. The people killed in the terror attacks 25 years ago. It'll be September 11, 9.11 here in a couple of days and we'll be remembering the 25th anniversary of that or at event. And we'll talk more about that in a couple of days on Friday show. But I see New York City Mayor Mamdami is is saying there was a call. He's been critical of his city, New York City, he's saying there was a cover up on the harmful. The harmfulness of asbestos and the deaths from first responders, it was toxic is what the mayor

2:39:27is saying. A toxic situation with the collapse of the world trade centers. The two buildings I have somewhere I have a photo of that woman. There was that one awful photo that woman who was like hovered in dust. Remember that? Where did I put that? Here it is. She was a survivor this woman, Marcy Borders 28 years old. And this is what she looked like. This is the photo of her is completely covered in dust. And that dust was obviously toxic in many ways. It was asbestos cancer causing dust. She just died. She died in 2015 at age 42.

2:40:36After developing a stomach cancer from inhaling the debris, Marcy Borders. And a story in the sun, that story in Mundami right now, Maramundami is saying that there was a cover up and there was a downplay at the very least downplaying of the dangers of that stuff of the air, air quality following 9 11. Iceland has condemned Iceland. The country is condemned as social media post from President Trump. They show the American flag covering their country also Greenland. Also Canada, Mexico President Trump is remapping the world. Recently he had some

2:41:44some social media posts that showed New Mexico renamed as New America. He's of course actually renamed Lake Ontario to now be Lake of America. Google Maps has complied. If you look Google Google Maps right now today it shows Lake America. Wow. Rather than Lake Ontario. The Gulf of Mexico is now Gulf America. Everything's America. And President Trump and another social media post shows the American flag just superimposed over the top of Greenland, which Trump has had ambitions about obtaining and Canada, which she wants to make the 51st state. And Iceland and Iceland condemned that social media post just yesterday. They didn't care for it at all. Yeah, I could see that. Let's get Marshall Sassen here. I want to talk about his red river idea.

2:42:52I got to get him some fancy music. Let's see. Let's choose what's a good entrepreneurial. Oh yeah, this is pretty good. This to me says somebody has invented something special. Marshall's here. Marshall's sass. Is that how we say your last name, Marshall? Sassy. Sassy. Dang it. I had a 50 50 shot river river company in Gillette. And you, uh, you in the, uh, company, are an SBA top five finalist in the freedom 250th Patriot pitch competition chance to win some big bucks. First, I got to learn what it is. You have invented or what it is you're doing there in Gillette on a mission to advance American manufacturing. That's what this contest is all about. That's what you're all about at Red River Company. What do you do? It has something to do with

2:43:57shipping, shipping parts. What is it? Yeah, we, uh, yeah, we kind of got our start in, uh, in, in welding field service welding all over the region, North Dakota, the Colorado, and now we're uh, through some kind of tough times in a, and a reposition were, were manufacturing pressure vessels. So we shipped coast to coast, um, a lot of different industries all over the country, shipping our vessels out of here and at an Northeast Wyoming. Yep. What do you mean, uh, tough times? You that caused you to what pivot? What, what were those tough times? What do you refer to there? Yeah, it was a combination of, uh, uh, COVID and, uh, and, uh, when oil went negative in the Gulf of Mexico in early 2020. So, yeah, yeah, we've been all over the power plants and, you know, regionally, we, we did all sorts of stuff inside the, um, the boilers and ship and stainless product

2:44:58all over the country and, um, yep. So through that is where we made the, the transition. We started focusing on pressure vessels and, and more manufacturing. Yep. So what is it that you're doing differently? Um, obviously you, you're doing something that's innovative. That, that's a reason you get, uh, attention. I imagine from this SBA small business association, um, small business, uh, administration contest. I want to talk about that in a minute. Uh, I hope you got to win this. Um, what are you doing that's different? Well, um, that's kind of tough to say where, uh, we do a lot of training. We have an awesome team. Um, I think, you know, the tough time that we went through really helped, um, build a more committed and more focused and more, uh, just, there's a level of intensity here

2:46:01with this team that is, is pretty impressive. And we do a ton of training and we pay pretty well. So that helps bring new folks in and, and, uh, and we're willing to do whatever it takes, you know, it's a Wyoming's a deeply blue collar and hard work in state and, um, and so I think that that brings a level of, of care to the, to the, uh, our customers that they're not typically used to see in. So I'm, I'm thinking like this, this is not actually an innovation or any kind of invention or something you, you bring to shipping. And this is just like peep, this is about people. This is, uh, we've always been about people. Yeah. Okay. Yep. And we do some really cool stuff, but at the core is, it's a, we're just a bunch of people doing something. Yeah. Yeah. And a bunch of Wyoming people. That's the one, the most important part right there in Gillette Wyoming, red river company. So

2:47:04how did you, how did you get to be part of this contest? Did you have to, uh, apply like, how does you find out about how are you one of the five finalists? Oh man. Yeah. So I don't, this is kind of wild. Um, honestly, if I knew where it was going to go, I don't know if I'd apply. You know what? Yeah. Right. Uh, I'm not a spot like type of guy, but we, uh, uh, so the, the local office at a Cheyenne, I believe Amy Lee is her name. She sent me the link and said, Hey, I think this would be a good fit for you and you ought to apply. So, um, I looked at it and, hey, there's some money involved. And you know, I, I like to win and, um, we could sure use the capital with the growth that's in front of us. And so, but really, the shout out goes to cut through media, obarquely. Um, that guy is a wizard him and his team, they claim out and, and shot a video of us. And, uh, if they can make me look good, right, then they're wizards, man, they're, I want to see

2:48:11this. Can, can we see this video? What it? I think so we could probably, yeah, we could probably round it up. Wow. So he's shot a little bit of like a background video and then we submitted that as part of our, our application. And at the time, I thought they're just going to go through these and they're going to pick five winners and we're going to go from there. There's no, you know, that's as far as going to go. Yeah. Well, then they made it through to the semi finals and there was 10 and we got that email and said, Hey, there's 10 people out of what 11, 1200 somewhere in there like, Oh, well, hey, pretty cool. And, uh, but we probably won't make it to the finals, you know, weren't it stuff? A bunch of hillbaleys over here and, uh, and then we made it to the finals and then they started talking about what this final actually was and, and uh, yeah, we were, we were all shocked. I was very surprised, but like I said, I think a lot of the credit goes to, um, you know, of course, the team here that is doing all the, you know, all the hard work and heavy lifting and,

2:49:16and then go barkly to, um, him making us look good, you know, yeah, he just, I mean, he didn't do anything, you know, it's still what you do at Red River, but he put it in a light that, you know, some people are really good at that. They're, you know, they're able to brand, market and, and video. That's cool. Red River company Marshall Sassy and they are a finalist in this, uh, small business administrative, uh, Patriot pitch competition finals, uh, one million dollar cash prize. That'll go a long way. That's pretty cool. Um, five finalists include, you know, little hillbilly outfits out of Maine, Iowa, California, Georgia, probably none of them thought they deserve to be like, what are we doing here in the finals? But Red River is there. What do you have to do now? You're going to have to go in front of like celebrity judges and now the pressure gets ramped up a little. What is it? Yeah, it's wild, man. So I've been rehearsing. We've been putting a

2:50:21pitch together. Yeah. So the panel is Nicki Minaj and Grant Cardone and Joe Jebvy. Um, the, uh, the host is a guy named Dean Kane. Oh, yeah. No much about him. Um, but the, uh, yeah. So they're, they're some business folks. I mean, obviously Nicki Minaj is kind of a pop star, but she's also very, you know, very into business and Grant Cardone and Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Jebvy has the founder of Airbnb. And, uh, I think I'm saying his name, right? And, uh, and now he's on the board of Tesla and Airbnb. Of course, Grant Cardone is a heavy investment and real estate guy. Um, so yeah, we're going to put this pitch together and there's five of five companies going to compete in DC, uh, Toronto Reagan Center. I, um, and all of us will win something. We're going for the prize money's broken out. It's a total million dollar pot.

2:51:24Uh, first prize is 400,000. So that's all we're going for the rest of it's a little bit less. Um, we're going to win this thing and we're, we're pretty excited to go there and, and, uh, represent Wyoming. Wyoming doesn't get a lot of attention and a lot of spotlight. And so we're, we're pretty excited about that to go and put, put Wyoming and help, you know, do our part and, uh, represent Wyoming and manufacturing. Yeah. And factoring is a big deal. Manufacturing is a big deal in your county in Gillette as well. I mean, Wyoming build stuff. We know that, but very much where you are, it's so cool what's going on there. I love it. There's, yep, there's some big stuff coming. Yeah. Yes, sir. Um, Marshall, uh, best of luck. This happens September 18th. We're going to be rooting for you and you show them in DC what Wyoming's all about, man. You put us on the map. I hope you, we're going to try. Yep, we're going to give it a heck, man. I hope you win this thing. Hey, thanks so much for being on.

2:52:28Thank you. Appreciate it. Cowboy State Daily Show. It's Marshall Sassy with Red River Company. They're doing some innovative stuff. They're part of the final five in the SBA Freedom 250 Patriot pitch competition September 18th in front of a live audience. Liberty judges, including Nikki Manage with the fingernails and the wrapping Dean Kane is hosting Superman. Let's get a break in here. We'll get Kate Meadows up next after this 14 years before Wyoming became a state. The Centennial Gold Mine gave its name to a tiny town from gold to lumber. Arrayal Road and agriculture. Your gateway to the Sino-East. It invites you to join us in celebrating the Centennial Wyoming Sesquist Centennial with a parade. Vendors, food trucks, book sale, autographs signing by CJ Box, historical speakers, chainsaw art demo, face painting, meat smokey bear and more. All this at the Centennial 150-year celebration. September 12th parade starts at 9am, just 28 miles west of Laramie on Highway 130.

2:53:43A Marshall of yours still listening. Here's my suggestion on how to win over at least one of the celebrity judges during the Patriot pitch Nikki Manage. Just borrow a line out of her song. One of her big hits, Super bass. When Nikki Manage sings something about tell them who the FI is. That's what you need to be doing with your company Red River. You gotta get over there front and say, I mean just start with that Marshall. Just say, I'm here to tell you who the FI is. It's Gillette Wyoming. It's Red River. I think that's the way you do it. It's a line straight out

2:54:45of Super bass Nikki Manage hits on. Kate Metto's will be here in a moment. First, though, let's check in with a Western Ag Network and see how the rodeo world is playing. Will, what do you got? It's the rodeo road show on the Western Ag Network. Hi everybody, I'm Will Rasmussen from the Lewiston Roundup in Lewiston, Idaho. Big Labor Day weekend just got over a whole lot of rodeos. Filer out of a wall of washing, planes Montana, Whitesilk for Springs, Montana, Dylan Montana, Evanston, Wyoming. But a lot of eyes were on the Ellensburg rodeo in central Washington. The results coming up. Kettle Country video will host a annual Frontier Fall Roundup Sale from Cheyenne, Wyoming on Thursday, September 10th, offering over 17,000 head of yearlings, calves and bread females. Sale time 9 a.m. from the Cheyenne Frontier Days of Incentre. For broadcast, visit Kettle Country

2:55:47video dot com and click the watch live button. As always, online bidding available, be a Kettle USA. It's Kettle Country videos. Frontier Fall Roundup Sale Thursday, September 10th, for all the details, visit Kettle Country video dot com. Ready to bring some new ideas back to your ranch? Then make plans to join other producers from across the country at the 2026 grazing expo September 10th through the 13th at the Billions Hotel and Convention Center in Billions, here from Leading Ranchers and Experts on Kettle Markets, grazing management, soil health, ranch business and more, plus a trade show, career fair, live music and plenty of opportunities to connect. Learn more and get registered at montana.glc.org slash expo. A lot of majors were held over the Labor Day weekend, but the biggest one of them all as far as prize money and added money were in the sloppy conditions at Ellensburg, Washington. In the Bearback riding, Cade Sonier from Louisiana on his birthday won the big event in the

2:56:53St. Wrestling, former World Champion Tiarix in Helena, Montana, wins it. Team roping, Tanner Tomlinson and Wesley Thorpe from Texas, Thorpe a three time champ of the world. He wins it. Saddlebrough riding, Wattley Sharon, the number one rookie in the rookie of the year race. From Colorado is now in the top 15. He wins Ellensburg. He had a $54,000 month in August, that young man speaking of young man in the tie down roping Sam Lewis, the 20 year old from Amor, Rolo, Texas wins the tie down. The breakaway roping was split between Martha Angeloni and Jordi Eden Mitchell, both from Texas. In the barrel race, Summer co-self from Glenem South Dakota, the second year in a row. She has won the barrel race in Ellensburg, Washington and from Bagwell, Texas in the bull riding, it's Dakota Hill winning his specialty.

2:57:55On the rodeo road show, I'm Will Rasmussen on the Western Ag Network. State Dele Mourning Show with Jake. Now back to the show. Every once in a while, I get an email from Wallet Hub to give me their latest list rankings. They do all these ranking things Wallet Hub. And their latest one is the rankings of states that vaccinate most in states that vaccinate the least. And I think Wallet Hub has it a little bit wrong. They also then provide an analysis. So Wallet Hub analyzed the 50 states and the district of Columbia across 16 key metrics ranging from a share of children, teens, adults, vaccination,

2:58:56and how we're vaccinating as a state. And Wallet Hub then, I mean, it's fine to do the research and the rankings, but then to then expound on that is the part where I think they got it wrong. They had Wallet Hub analyst chip Lupo who, uh, well, we'll tell you what chips said in a moment. But here's how the rankings came out. Would you guess who are the states that vaccinate the most? Just right off the top. I'm assuming it's probably the blue states, probably the Democrat dominated states. The more liberal liberal states, I'm thinking, um, would be high on that list and it probably is true. States have vaccinate the most number one, Vermont. I think they were like 80 something percent

2:59:58of vaccination compliant or higher. Um, number Vermont was, uh, yeah, uh, share of 1.9 times higher than some on the bottom of the list. Vermont came in with the highest share of tetanus, shot, and tetanus vaccinations, uh, zoster vaccinations. Vermont was number one. Massachusetts number two on states that vaccinate the most new hamcher, Rhode Island and Maine round out the top five. I would think that'd be pretty predictable. Care to guess who the bottom five states that vaccinate the least kind of anti-vax states. I've right off the bat. You think of Texas, right? With their measles, uh, their resistance to the measles, Vax. Texas actually came in 46. It's Wyoming that beat out Texas in the bottom five.

3:01:02I say, beat out states have vaccinate the least Mississippi at the bottom. And for Mississippi, I think it's more of ignorance and, and lack of money. The Mississippi comes in the bottom of almost every ranking no matter what it is for states. The most obese, the laziest, the least and four, like, and the least, uh, money, uh, Mississippi, Oklahoma number two in the least vaccinated list, Alabama. And then we get into the states that are more, uh, I think they're on the list because of a real, um, distrust of government and just, more of an independent streak, uh, Alaska, Wyoming, Texas are in that, um, list of some of the states

3:02:02that vaccinate the least. And then, um, yeah, and then wallet hub, analyzation from Chip Lupo says the following, seeing as being anti-vaccination has become trendy in some circles. And misinformation is all over the internet. It's more crucial now than ever to spread awareness of the benefits of vaccines. And make sure as many people as possible receive potentially life-saving immunizations. I think Chip misses the boat here. Some people don't want to be vaccinated. Some people believe we're over vaccinated. Um, and, and then just the way Chip opinionizes his statements, he said, Vermont is the state with the best vaccination coverage, 87% of the babies under three years old

3:03:05have received all seven vaccine series shots. Yeah, I guess so that's, uh, the result's pretty predictable on who is most and least vaccinated. I probably would have saw that coming. Wyoming being the one of the more least vaccinated states, and certainly Texas in that list. Let's see what Kate Meadows is up to. Kate, are you all up to date on your vaccinations? Last I checked, yes. That a trick question. Not really. We were just talking about vaccinations. Just in case you're bit by a reporter, don't worry. Kate's had all her shots. That's right. And I don't bite. So there's that. Your stories. I'm glad you introduced us to, um, Mike Gilmore, this pine-dale dude. I just

3:04:07chatted with him a little bit ago. We had him on the show, Roaming Roads, his premium label, how you can find a worldwide. What a cool guy. Yeah, he's, uh, I don't know, living in this rabbit hole, so to speak, he bought the gas station and the liquor store really only cared about the liquor store part of it. And then that curiosity just drove him to learn more and more and and discover this label off he goes. He knew about as much about bourbon and whiskey as I know in 2007, but man has he learned fast and he's become now pretty much an expert. I love his life. I love his pivot. I mean, California cop doing all that. And then he's like, nah, I need a complete change. And my favorite part of the story, Kate, that you had in there was he allotted 10 days to explore maybe a new life in Wyoming. You spent a whole week in pine-dale. Seven of the, I wouldn't,

3:05:07I would do the same. Like, if you, if you start with pine-dale, you're like, this is great. And what else is there? Totally. I see that. I see that. Um, he's living the life now. Good for him. We learned a lot about rye whiskey, the differences. And yeah, he explained all the stuff to us. Really cool. Yeah, he's definitely got a passion for it. Yeah. And the taste, I guess that's kind of seems to be a sort of natural. I don't know if that's a skill or what, but yeah, he's got to be. I asked him like, how do you develop a palette for spirits? I mean, wine, uh, I can sort of do wine me myself. I know what beers I like and what beers I don't, but pretty much all the whiskey, they all taste the same to me. Like, firewater, although I do prefer the woodford reserve, but yeah, how do you do that? And well, now you start drinking Roman broads. That's how you do that.

3:06:08Hmm. Okay. Yeah. And he did, he did say you can only do like three at a time after that, you know, and all starts to get fuzzy. I bet it does. Yeah. I saw this statement from President Trump, um, uh, kind of outlandest statement regarding data centers. Um, you're, you're all over data centers of Wyoming covering that for the Cowboys stay daily, whether we want to win the race, to AI or whether we don't want to live next to a data center, I just back and forth. President Trump said, Hey, you're just backwards and poor. If you're not pro data center, I heard that statement. I thought Kate's got to get me like Wyoming as this story. Yeah, we did. We, uh, we reached out to some people who have been really vocal in the, you know, data center conversations in the state. Obviously, there are a lot, a lot of conversations going on, uh, even those who are really pro data centers,

3:07:10you know, or, you know, tracking that have booked it Trump and said, you know, you know, like, you don't need to put people down who don't agree with it. It's not a, it's not a, you know, class issue by any means. Yeah. Backwards and poor. I know that, that is President Trump, though. That's what, you know, he does a lot of, and I, but I think a lot of people that, as you have mentioned before, Kate, we're not necessarily pro or anti-data center. We're just, we need to know more. I need to know way more about him before I'm going to say, yeah, build a huge one here. Like, we have questions. Yeah. Yeah. The tricky thing is they're, they're here and they're coming. I mean, it's happening so fast. It's like, we don't even have time. Like, yeah, we want more time to know. We want to like, research this and find out more information, but we're not really getting it before they're just, you know, coming and, um, they're going to go wherever the open, you know, regulations and open space is. And so whether that's Wyoming or somewhere else,

3:08:13and so that just compounds the, the problem. And I think the questions and, and sort of lack of trust that we're seeing from people in this whole arena. And, uh, sort of related note to data centers, of course, power Rocky Mountain, Rocky Mountains, powers inability to meet more demand is costing Wyoming large-scale industries, say, lawmakers, some accusations that Rocky Mountain power is just living in the past when it comes to providing power. Are they, what's the deal in Sweetwater County? Are they a hang up for big industry power hungry industries? Well, Rocky Mountain power services, a huge portion of the state. We have black hills energy, you know, services, the eastern part of the state. And they seem to, their philosophy seems to be much different than Rocky Mountain power, which has been so much about, you know, servicing the, the customer and just the, the general needs of the people. So you've

3:09:19got these big industries wanting to come in. And if they say they don't, you know, they, they realize that there is not the electricity available to, for them to do business here, they're gone. And that's the point that Stacey Jones, a, that Rock Spring Senator, Stacey Jones, told me on Monday was, you know, we don't even know how much business we're losing because as soon as these big industries here that, you know, we don't have electricity, we don't have the power available, they're gone because they're going to go to somewhere that, that will, that will service them and that does have the power. Rocky Mountain power has said, you know, it really becomes a sort of chicken and egg cadundrum because do you make the power available for these big industries that want to come, knowing that there's a risk that they don't show up, or do you wait for the big industries to come and then say, we can get you the power, but it's going to be a few years. And so that's really the, the, the tricky, sticky situation that that Rocky Mountain power, I think finds itself in.

3:10:23Yeah, that's a tough spot to be in. Yeah, how do you build it and they will come? What if they don't? Yeah. K Meadows story about carbon county exploring ways to attract nuclear energy without actually building a reactor. That whole industry is more than just, you know, doing, doing new power. You can do other things. You can make yellow cake. You can mine uranium. What, what do they want to do in carbon county? Well, the carbon county commissioners heard a presentation recently at its most recent meeting from former state legislator, Don Berkhardt, who is, you know, big in the in Wyoming energy. And he said, you know, there are so many things, so many opportunities to be kind of in the nuclear space in Wyoming without actually having anything to do with the nuclear reactor. So he

3:11:24talked about some really technical industries like, like nuclear welding. That's, that's a niche. That's a, that's a sort of niche job that isn't really being done anywhere in the state. And most welders, Tyler Travis Moore, Commissioner Travis Moore told me that even most welders don't know what that is. So there's nuclear welding. There's some sort of graphite mining because a lot of uranium mining, a lot of nuclear depends on this graphite that most of that is dominated by China. So there's research that is being done in Wyoming, but that's all there is right now. So a lot of different opportunities that it's just a matter of, you know, who wants to take that leap and make it happen in Wyoming. What happened when county commissioner Travis Moore bumped into Don Berkart Kate Meadows was sort of a fly on the wall when those two said, we should talk a great story. And not just to

3:12:30each other, but to the rest of our, our leaders. Yes. I don't know. Okay. I can't remember if we talked about this, but I'm, it's in the news again and and Travis Lynn, a home, um, not, is it Travis Lynn home? I always get his name wrong. Uh, wait, I'm going to go look it up because I just had him on the show. Tyler, Tyler Lynn, home and I, we were talking about, um, uh, beef industry packing plants and how we need to break up the monopoly and do more just smaller, regional stuff, exactly what, um, this family is doing the backs. And I had them on the show. I'm so excited for them. This is huge. Uh, what they're doing, like creating besides a cattle rent, they're doing the whole vertical, like cattle ranch from calving to packaging. They're doing the whole smash. I love what they're doing there. Uh, in the middle of nowhere, in lone tree, Wyoming. Right. Lone tree, Wyoming. I had to actually look that

3:13:35up on the map, I grew up in Kindale and I'm like, where is lone tree? Right. Um, but yeah, they really were taking matters into their own hands, you know, going, we don't want to reserve an entire day, to drive across the border to Utah, get our beef process, drive it back with two trailers, you know, one with the cattle and one with the fridge, uh, to, to store the processed beef in on the way back. And so they're, they're just going to do it themselves. This also opens opportunities for other, uh, ranchers in the area to have another option to process their own beef. So maybe they don't have to be driving as far, um, for, for that particular service. Yeah, it's not for just them and their cattle. They don't run a huge operation, really, as far as cattle, but the others could bring in and they took the extra, uh, effort and money, uh, to make sure they were USDA certified, like they, they're being inspected. They were just going through an inspection when I had them on.

3:14:40Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited for the great business model and great story to highlight that family. Yeah. I'll be interesting to see if any other ranching families are able to follow suit in Wyoming. Huh, just takes time in about a million dollars. I know. Thanks, Kate. Thanks, Kate. Cowboys, stay daily show Wednesday. Kate Meadows, lot of great stories you got to read from her. Check those out. Let's see what game and fish is doing with Ray Hageman to close out the show. Ray, what are you up to? Hunter's interested in a popular hunter management area near Evanston are urged to obtain free permission slips. Next on the Wyoming outdoorsman, I'm Ray Hageman. Stay tuned. The Wyoming game and fish encourages hunters planning their fall seasons to take advantage of

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