489: Andrea Yates: The Cult Behind the Killer Part 2

0:00Are you watching these TikToks where people are trying to like people in office buildings are trying to outrun their co-worker as Michael Myers? No, it is the scariest thing because it's like a guy in a student like you'd think it's walking Yeah, and then yeah, yes, and they've got the track They have to unlock the door and then get in and then lock the door and like 90% of them don't make it and it is Terrifying every single really there's no not even a fake knife in their hand because the guys just walking Slowly and these people are running for their so they set up Michael Myers set up the maze. Yeah, I guess yes And it's so I shared it to my story, and I've gotten so many to have people being like this is so scary really Yeah, it's I'll send it to you. It's terrifying But like the people always scream because it's like you feel like you're being murdered by Michael Myers. Oh my god It's terrifying. You don't have time for that. No Oh Hi, Julie MacLevalli. I love Patrick Hines. So fam once again

1:02This is episode two of our coverage of Andrea gates to cope behind the killer This was on the patreon last week. This is our regular episode this week. Yes I think we need to tell them about before we start just like Sam old Sam old It's a party over on the patreon. We have a YouTube. We have a discord YouTube is 230 subscribers go watch us go watch this episode on YouTube So we're gonna dive in we're like halfway through the second episode of the series So we're gonna do the second half of episode two and then all of episode three in this app. Yeah, and reminder If you were screaming at us last episode We're gonna do like a recap of what they left out at the end of this. Yes, I guess you want to bring the fam up to speed Well, everything's a mess. Honestly, like there's really no other way to slice it like we're with Rusty gates Who's Andrea's husband and David the yuppie who's a former cult member and Moses who was born into it? And he's a former cult member. He's an adult now, but he was a kid and so everything everyone's families are falling apart Andrea was told do not have any more kids your postpartum is gonna come back worse and like stronger for lack of a better term Yes, and they had one more after yeah, and also like I don't know shit about shit like I've obviously

2:05I'm not like making a joke like no experience with postpartum depression. I never will yes I know that it looks different for so many people like I'm not an expert here But like I'm just repeating what the doctors are saying and it's like her Andrew's postpartum depression was exacerbated by so many other factors in her life. Yeah, including this fucking cult Yeah, so we're we're back with Rusty and Rusty is being very clear to us That he's had no communication with Michael Andrea has now We also learned that Rachel Michael the cult leaders wife is writing letters to Andrea. Did you see how she signs it? She signs it. Oh Michael servant Michael servant. How insane. So I'm gonna start sending my letters to you serving like Jesus Christ Please don't I'm I know what happened to Satanically infested I know that's exactly exactly so November it's November 2000 Mary Yates is born so this is Andrea Yates is fifth child Fifth child and again, she was told not to have another child for her safety and the safety of the children. Yeah

3:09So Andrea is communicating with the cult leader and Rachel and like she's also not taking the medication No, and like as predicted by the doctor her symptoms have come back and they're worse. They're worse She was just staring blankly ahead had a scissor leg picking at her hair not saying anything So I called around to try to see a psychiatrist. Oh, yeah, we got an opening six weeks. I'm like we don't have six weeks You know, I didn't know what to do. I'm like, who do you call? She's suffering and no one's helping her and the cult is just telling her to quote look to Jesus And I'm like well, I heard an audio cassette an hour ago that said that there was no Jesus. Right So where like and also like we get sprinkled in in the second half of this series that like Rachel is writing these letters to her And not only like pretty much blaming her for her own like depression that she's in But this is where we start to get the nuggets of like Fix your children your children must be saved or they're gonna burn in hell and you're gonna burn in hell And it has to happen before they're 12. Yes. What do they call it the age of what? I don't know age of accountability

4:15Jesus Christ they're K age of accountability These is gonna be 12 in two weeks. She's not accountable girl. I was gonna say accountability is should Exactly so David the yuppie he dumped his fiance. He's still heartbroken over it Yeah, he quit his cushy job that he worked really hard for and he was proud to have and now he is living in the woods Obsessing over Michael and his quote teachings now This is what David has decided to do with his life because Michael told him the reason you can't get married the reason You can't you have not had a divine intervention from God and so that's why he goes into the mountains to like Obsessed over Michael's tapes to obsess over all the pamphlets and he's terrified of the world around him Again, just a reminder. We do this all in one sitting. Yeah, so it feels like I'm repeating myself, which I am But in case you are like it's been a week since you've heard us talk about this. Yeah, this all happened through the mail Yeah, they were not in person. They were in different states. So these are all like cassettes and letters. Yeah David is spiraling and is so terrified of the world around him that he has isolated himself into the woods

5:17I would just pray and ask God. You know, please give me light. God, you know, I want you Every night my big bagging pleading Please open my eyes But there was no divine encounter. Does that point I started shutting down He is now suicidal and he literally says I would just pray and beg and plead to God for a divine encounter He's alone in a cabin in the woods begging God for a divine encounter. Look, can't you just fake a divine encounter and imagine what would happen If like this should scare you because it was happening in the 80s over the mail. Yes Like there was time to decompress kind of yeah, like this should scare you especially in the age of the internet Like what is possible and how vulnerable people are oh You know what I mean? Yes, so David Thankfully, obviously does not do this yeah, but afterwards things are pretty dark because he describes it

6:19He goes I had clinical depression. I had spiritual depression like can you imagine? No, but that's the thing like He sat there in a chair with a gun in his mouth and by the grace of God That's your divine intervention David the fact that you did not pull the trigger right is your is your message from God And then he says something chilling he goes Like what would happen like can you imagine if something crazy like that happened he goes oh wait There was someone who had both of those things her name was Andrea gates That's right. Yeah, and he kind of says it in this really biting tone of like this was happening Clearly, yes, this is what was happening and the marriage of the clinical depression and the spiritual depression That's what he's talking about. That's what Andrea Yates suffered from right and postpartum and In my opinion an abusive home life. Isn't it so wild that like at the time that this all happened Nobody Oprah Any but no like because Oprah did a whole show on this nobody Asked why nobody took a minute what will meet the one person who did in a minute the writer who wrote the book on this case

7:24But like everyone just accepted that she was nuts that she was crazy that she was evil. It was easier Nobody scratched below the surface. It's easier to discount Someone like that is crazy because you can't imagine yeah, I mean anything like it. I feel better knowing I'm glad to know the reason and there were read to me you can clearly See point a to be to see we didn't just like wake up here. No way. No way, but like but the public didn't of course You know, yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying like when we were teasing this these episodes in the last last week or two weeks to go down 15 minutes to five minutes ago time. Yeah, yeah, construct But like it was like very much like the hot coffee case in this in the sense where everyone was like what a fucking idiot Of course that liquid's gonna be hot, but it's like no, no, no, can you wait a second? Yeah, hold on I keep thinking about time you're hurting and you know, there's so much. There's like just so much here And this is one of those big cases where if you just again like you're saying ask a freaking question. Yeah Girl rock and money is back look you all know this fam rock and money is a personal finance app that helps you find and cancel

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9:32That's rocket money dot com slash obsessed rocket money dot com slash obsessed hey girl low balance here Yeah, just like checking in Excuse me So we learn that Andrew's brother and Rusty have to carry Andrew yates to a mental hospital and then they drop that in there and we will get back with that because now We have to see this video of Michael the cult leader As Satan wearing some spirit Halloween cape and red horns and a stupid mask and a wig Because what's happened is David isolated in a cabin five minutes ago He was sitting in a chair with a gun in his mouth litter. I'm not making a joke about it He reached out to David to let him know how spiritually low he was for help For help to his spiritual daddy literally yes, and instead of calling him going to see him like letting him know though Everything's gonna be okay. He sends him a video dressed at Satan doing that Satan voice like that But it's like a deep tough guy voice because he's telling him the wrong

10:32As you must stop and change what you're doing no reason for you To have to some awkward I'm comfortable feelings of change No, no, you're just not man enough like you're just not man enough to be able to handle all of this You're just not man enough to get a divine message from the Lord And so David starts to see the devil in his everyday life Can you imagine this fucking cult leader on set? Oh my god Well, it was also like a Halloween town caught you know, you know, it was a spirit Halloween kid It was so awful, but I mean how insufferable he'd be like Rachel Oh, yes, the lighting is a good first of all the lighting sucks. It's just so it's like you want to laugh at it Because you're like how are we here? But that should be like oh, we're here. We're in this part of the program I just can't imagine the isolation of David in the middle of nowhere having quit his job And like the part that gets sort of glossed over they talk about it for a second he loved that woman And she was there for him saying you have to snap out of this. Yeah, he's crazy

11:37You're not I'm not like we can't just I love you the tapes, you know, right like let's do this Let's do this life for real the life that like David pretty much had yeah a lot of ways And it's funny because I keep thinking about how like cult leaders want to isolate their their victims or whatever And like Michael wasn't there to isolate him But he was able to isolate him anyway. I know he was able to get him to like self isolate So after David's like I really need help Michael wants to meet with David the upie to talk shit about Satan And all of this like impending violence and destruction So we learned that David as a friend this guy Richard who we grew up with together and they they got into this cult together or whatever their frapper others their frapper others to like they like David doesn't tell anybody except for Richard about this meeting with Michael And Richard is gonna go with Michael to this meeting now David says I thought because I wasn't progressing He was coming to my aid you know less like a spiritual doctor And I envision spending hours with him in a park or someplace quiet But what I found peculiar was a place he chose to meet

12:42A McDonald's restaurant He wants to meet in a McDonald's and then berate these two Scream over a couple of McGrittle scream. Yeah, it's like sir. This is a Wendy's only it's a McDonald's yes exactly screaming Yeah, and this is the first time they've seen each other since 1987 This should has been going on through the mail for like 13 years And further record when they saw each other in 1987 they didn't meet like David saw him like quote preaching on campus at his school They never talk. Yeah, this is the first like face to face conversation. They've ever had David's like I thought we were gonna should talk Satan not like have you scream at me about how I'm worthless and like how Dare you start to talk about the Wizard of Oz. I mean Michael is comparing what David is going through to the opening scene of the Wizard of Oz He says you're caught up in the winds of delusion. Now the good news for David is that according to Michael There's some hope for him Richard not so much Michael is berating this guy over a crispy diet coke about how worthless he is

13:42Full of coke if you're me. Yeah, full of coke. He'll never be saved. This guy's gonna burn in hell no matter what he does Richard walks out of that McDonald's suicidal. Yes, he wasn't I don't think before but now he maybe he was like Oh my god David like cult leader. I need your help. Yes, but he walks out of that meeting suicidal He scared me and I was emotionally exhausted Because it took everything I had to convince him to not do it now And he's my friend. I loved him. He was my childhood friend And I know he's gonna do it because I know how he feels. I know I know what he's under After hours and hours of breaking down with David the yuppie David talks him out of it because he was like I was there a week ago Please don't do this. He literally like David's describes the scene He's like Richard showed up in my house in the middle of the night to tell me that he was gonna go kill himself This was not a question. This was not to be discussed He was just letting him know the end is here and I'm gonna go do it because he's too worthless to live

14:45Yes, because he can't do all of the things that he's supposed to do the reason He's so upset and depressed as his own fault like that's what this guy is screaming at them Yes, that you're worthless and you deserve to die and Richard's like we'll fuck it And like all of this is a precursor to the yates kids being murdered This is what this man is doing. He's teaching you that if you if you can't get saved or whatever You're gonna burn in hell, but there's also no way to get saved and David thankfully saves his friends life Richard does not go through with it Yes, we talked the Moses for a second his parents have gotten divorced The mom got the kids the dad got the bus and Moses has to sneak onto the bus to get like to steal the tapes And so he tells us about this trip where they like go back down wherever Michael's family lives Florida and Florida and they're now out on the street preaching again And Moses is saying like this was the first time I was old enough to be embarrassed This was the first time I was old enough to see the looks on people's faces as we were doing this to be perceived as they say You know that people are like oh my god look at that crazy family and like he doesn't say this here But like this is where it's like starting to crack from Moses a little tiny bit

15:48But like as far as we know he's the only member of his family who ever had any thought that like what's going on here as all fuck I hope his sister is okay I hope so I hope she's so friends with that girl from camp. I know So back with Andrea Yates. She is now spent two weeks in the hospital and Her insurance has run out apparently and so she is now home. Can I just say to Rusty says Andrew is the sickest patient in that building. I mean you can just tell she was like not hardly moving not responsive Not communicative when she came home. She was completely out of it I didn't know it at the time but Andrea was having visual hallucinations auditory hallucinations and it led to the delusions she had of having the devil in her And it gets to the point where she thinks that the devil is inside her in her mind and her body and her soul And it ends this episode the second episode ends with Moses saying look I know it sounds crazy, but I totally get it and I totally get

16:49What she was feeling what she was hearing and I completely understand how she got to a point where she did what she did And I want to say we see a video of the funeral and like the thing that The where I started crying for like the fifth time today is we see the caskets. I know and the caskets are so small You can't believe it. I was shaken by the visual of the coffin. I know I was shaken by how small they were yeah, how few people it took to carry them. I know how many I know I know five and like rusty. I know that I know I know we hate him But like he had to give five eulogies in one day and like what Moses is saying is in Andrea's mind She did what she was supposed to do. She was saving her children. She was making the ultimate sacrifice She didn't want to do this. She had to do this because once again and we'll get more into this in the episode three of this Which is what we're about to get to now like The religious teachings taught her that if she could not make her children saved by the age of 12 They were all going to burn in hell and the reason she was feeling like Satan was inside of hers because they weren't saved yet

17:55Right and the other thing too to add and Moses gets into this a lot is it's not just about not burning in hell It's about how amazing heaven is I guess, but it's weird. I haven't heard anything about that in any of these cassettes It's that there is no salvation or maybe he's saying there is no salvation if yeah You don't get your shit together, but like nothing seems nice or lovely about anything of these teachings It also can't go unstated that only eight people were getting into heaven and like the the michael's family was eight So like that the urgency for her kids to get to heaven first was also weighing on her yeah Fam Shopify's back look starting something new can be really scary, right? There's so much like think about starting a podcast like when we started this thing like nine years ago Yeah, we had no idea no idea and imagine though it makes it so much easier when you have a partner like Shopify on your side to help Right, so Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the u.s Can you believe yeah from household names like true crime obsessed

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19:58Shopify.com slash obsessed Okay, so episode three is called revelation and this is where we just very quickly learn exactly what Andrea Yates did She drowned her children one by one in the bathtub. Yeah, and so this is when we meet Susie Spencer I think it's important that we learn that before we meet Susie. Yeah, Susie Spencer's also a name you'd like you change your name too Like Susie Spencer. That's like a comic book character, but she's a superhero Susie Spencer. She works for like the Whatever yeah, yeah, so she's the author of a book called breaking point and she before she knew anything about this case She was like I'm gonna write the book on this because this seems crazy when I was researching my book breaking point I was starting to get hints that no She wasn't this horrible evil person that was on the news Her neighbors were saying she was a people pleaser and she was a caretaker and everyone said what a great mom I was getting a totally different picture of Andrea

21:02The news has her photo everywhere. It's like this evil calculating Coniving evil woman and the neighbors are like no, she was a great mom and she's really nice What is the next sentence in that article? You don't mean like what what's the reason like she was just crazy She was like a bloodthirsty insane woman. That's just crazy Who out of the blue did this her own husband is out there to the press to every camera You can see like this wasn't her fault that's on who that was like she's not that woman Well, that sells more papers that gets more viewers that gets more and it's legitimately all I knew about this case You know, it's easier. I think to like oh, she snapped. Oh, I'm crazy. That can't be me But I mean the Susie's getting the scoop. You know what I mean like because I like outside of like humanizing Andrea And coming to an understanding about like how dangerous these kinds of cults are It's a much more interesting story to learn the nuance of all this right and so but someone Sends Susie letters. Yeah, someone sends her the letters from the cult Michael and Rachel to Andrea And I get the sense that Susie still doesn't know to this day who it is and now Andrea was pouring everything out to these people like her

22:08English her loneliness and there was To Michael and Rachel in the cult and they were not helpful at all. No, it was fear. It was manipulation. It was everything Andrea was doing wrong and like she's possessed by the devil and there's no hope for her They were encouraging her to do this horrible thing and that's exactly right because they're they're also talking about the kids Then if you don't manage to save your kids Andrea You know you're gonna burn in hell and they're gonna burn in hell with you like this This idea was put in her mind by these people and it's like how bad do you want this to be Andrea? Yeah, get ahead of us now by the way the only way to get ahead of it is to just keep beating your fucking kids I mean, you know like that that that's literally the only avenue she has To make her kids saved or whatever and we are told that there is no evidence of that there are people witnesses that come that like Susie meets or whatever that say like she wasn't abusing them in that way no that people weren't witnessing that yeah So Michael the cult leader is all over the news and so like once he's on the news all the like co followers are just like wait a second They send the video of Michael doing that Satan cosplay. Yeah thing to be like no no no this is this is who this guy really is like

23:14dig deeper keep looking into him which is wild because this is where we get David David is watching a talk show with Susie the writer here's the thing I can do you know what happened to be you know You know what he did to my life, but it just when it hit me like oh no this angry yates Was so pressurized with that struggle for salvation that she had to kill her kids And that's what's like oh my god How far can this go She wasn't evil. This is what happened to her. So we are now jumping to David out of the cult Yes, and we don't get the story like all like the last we saw David He was convincing his friend not to kill himself, but we didn't get we don't know how David broke away I think it's sort of A little bit implied that he saw this on the news and went oh fuck Like I think he recognized himself in Andrea and though in the the only way he could as like oh Well also because David would not have known so David would have known the Andrea yates story

24:17But he would not have known that Andrea was in the cult because like Michael didn't share that kind of information with people I guess and I think probably talking his friend out of it like when you like that's why people say like talk to yourself the way You talk to your best friend yeah nice to yourself say that you know like you can talk around someone else's anxiety when you're not in it Yeah, so I wonder if David having to talk his friend off a ledge sort of made him wake up and be like no We can do this like we deserve to live. I agree with that a hundred percent But I also think he also just because he was a person in the world knew about this woman who drowned her kids Was watching a talk show about it and realized like how to a big moment of revelation that like oh my god She's been suffering the same abuse that I've been like and and David probably in that instant Like Moses understood why she did what she did because and now realizes he's got to tell people right Because then Michael the cult leader is all over the news defending The cult and that's when David's like no, yes absolutely not yes because this David guy can't wait to go on the news And that was a really stupid move because other people around the country like David doesn't know how many people are in the cult right

25:22So now people are like oh, I know that guy and like my dad or you know my mom or my sister or my whatever And ratting him out and by the way Moses is telling us that they're remember Moses is related to Michael Moses's mother is the niece of Michael that they're in the family the cult leader is his great uncle exactly And Moses is saying like we watched the news coverage like a hawk it was All through the frame of these people are gonna try to bring Michael down Michael reached out to my mom initially because like hey, how are you or it was like oddly nice It became pretty clear that Michael was afraid Then this would be pinned on him So Michael is now in damage control Michael is now trying to like do PR because Michael who's been horrible to Moses's mother They've been not in communication for two years Contacts the mother and is nice to her for the first time ever see needs a favor because he needs a favor They're like he's saying like they're gonna try to pin this on me and like needs her to be the mouthpiece that like he's a good guy This isn't on him. Yeah, can you help me out? Maybe don't mention the fact that we were all beating the children

26:23But like yeah, right and don't let Good guy right exactly like begging someone but also he's saying to her don't let don't let on to the world that I was running around Telling people that the only way The that these kids were going to burn in hell yeah, if they weren't corrected like like Michael is connecting the dots and understanding that other people have the Information that of course she killed her kids because it was the only way to save them and that that teaching came directly from Michael and the cats out of the bag because Susie's got the letters exactly February 18th 2002 the trial Wendell Odom Jr. is the defense attorney no relation to Leslie Odom Jr. I know I'm thinking it No relation although we are about to be in the room where it happens if you know what I mean well He's here. Yeah, when those here. Yeah, so he is her defense attorney and he says Andrea Yates on site was quote shocking He says she had pupils that were giant and dark. She would jerk her head around and be looking at something behind her I've never seen anyone that men will ill before my life

27:27It was clear We need to start building an insanity defense It was clear to me that we needed to start building an insanity defense and in parentheses He doesn't say and it's not bullshit for the first time in history I know I'm like I agree. Yeah, and a rare twist. Yeah, I'm like fucking sanity, please. Yes, like we got to help this woman And I want to like I want a different word than insanity I know I mean like I want like a woman who desperately needed help into something she absolutely did not want to do Because she was trying to save her kids because the crazy guy made her do it And she was driven to it and her husband didn't listen to her And no one was helping her and they kicked her out of the hospital for insurance and blood end end end end end end Yeah, I don't think that's too long to say. You know what I mean? It's all worthy. So it's that's why we're off the top I will take it over insanity like satanically infested For the win for the win Girl earn in his back look earn in is the original earned wage access app that lets you access your pay as you work Instead of waiting days or weeks for a paycheck. So when I was like in my 20s or 30s I could have really used this like living paycheck to paycheck. Yeah

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31:38Right because to to Andrea This earthly plane is only for now and heaven is the amp Happy about this she wasn't happy about it, but she was like she wasn't Heading them she was helping them in her mind and I do want to say that I personally think being raised in this world is inherently abusive like I I agree I don't think anyone disagrees right so like because we hear like she wasn't abusive to them I'm just saying I think being raised in this world is inherently abusive It also sounds a little bit like Andrea was kind of in the world of the cult all by herself Yes, I've got questions about that actually though Because Rusty now is saying that he had nothing to do with it It was all Andrea and I don't know how much that is rusty trying to distance himself from culpability I think it's super convenient for him to say especially when what I've learned about Rusty in these three episodes So far is his like total disregard for his wife and for women expectation about children isolation of his family Like it seems like he's kind of a true believer. Yeah, so it's interesting that he's kind of like

32:39I don't know anything about that but it's like okay Well you also if the love of your life was writing to this thing that you were are distancing yourself from maybe have that conversation too I'm worried about you. Yeah, it definitely seems like even before the postpartum depression kicked in with her They were living separate lives in their mayor like Rusty was getting up every morning and going to NASA probably working very late coming up leaving very early at NASA. Yeah, yeah, engineer at NASA. That's a very hard job to get Yeah, and to be approved that he was in it for all the wrong way that he was in the cult For the control is what I think yeah, because if you're surrounded by logic and science I will say I I find Rusty at the very least to be an unreliable narrator Yeah, you know Yeah, and I want I want to reiterate what I said in the last episode Which was that like when I look at him. I can't not see a man who lost five kids I hear that and we are you're gonna tell us some really hard gross disgusting truth about him Wait, and by the way, these are not opinions that Chilean found these are like hardened facts

33:41It's from like the Fordham law review and like actual like court documents. Yeah, yeah And and I will also say you know I we could talk in circles about this for hours But like he does not hold his wife accountable for what she did He does not want to believe that that what she did had anything to do with her religious Spiritual depression. He needs it all to be Us something in her brain that he couldn't do anything about yeah He doesn't just want it to be both ways. He wants it to be a lot of different ways and that is not gonna work for me so During this trial They don't really mention the cult that much like they don't talk about that because we get the A verdict because I think in the insanity plea here I think when dole the defense attorney Andrews attorney is really leaning into the postpartum depression And trying to glean like trying to make the jury understand how really sick she was and she really was yes But even when do at this point doesn't fully understand that it's the it's the clinical depression and the spiritual depression

34:42Yeah, so it doesn't work and I think there's still a lot of stigma or a little too Science-y or whatever people aren't really grasping how dire the situation was the inherent misogyny in that by the way That it doesn't matter how How sick she really was it will never be sick enough. Well, she's just being emotional suck it up Yeah, and I know you're joking But I really do think that like even though it should be enough for them to describe her symptoms and get her doctors on the stand and how Like how really truly sick she that should be enough Oh sure gonna take the magic of the evil religion to really drive this home and when do didn't do that in the first trial So the verdict Yes, spoiler there are two trials. So this verdict it takes 35 minutes when you find out why there's a second trial You're gonna lose your mind there. She's guilty of capital murder and she gets life, but not the death penalty Yeah, and so David we cut we go back to David the yuppie and he's like after the trial That was thinking that Michael Warren Ecky. It's not being held accountable. He got a little bad press and all that

35:43But he just marched on and no one knows the real story Is getting away with it So I called a local news studio And told them that I have some information on this preacher He got a little bit of bad press, but he wasn't really talked about that much He's back on his fucking freak bus and going around the world with his little kids like yelling at people at shopping mall And now he's doing the talk show circuit with his wife slash servant Rachel Which is how she signs the letters everybody and he's lying about every day He's not ABC with Charlie Gibson defending himself and he's saying because Charlie Gibson brings up David because David is you know He's saying there's another man who said that you was driven crazy by you too and and Michael is like what that guy I met him one time in a McDonald's and Charlie Gibson is like no He said there were stacks of letters, but he doesn't have the proof and it cuts to David Who's at a table with a thousand tape recordings and it's like five Thousand letters like that Michael is just lying on national television and getting away with it. Yeah Yeah, and he is blaming Rusty because Rusty quote didn't

36:46Shepard his wife, which I say number one barf. Yeah, and two I am of the belief that Rusty is very much to blame But not for that reason you psycho right. Yes. Yes So let's talk about Steve the cult leader's friend Steve. I'm gonna tell you right now We don't really have a lot of time for bullshit. So I'm gonna beg you. Please Fucking tread lightly and not pull any bullshit right now. I don't need the friend of the cult leader I'm with you too. What I first saw that I was like you got to be kidding me This is the prime opportunity to say former friend ex-friend What the acquaintance of I literally like shifted. I was like Steve. I'm telling you. I know We do not have time for you know, it's pretty good here. Yeah. Yeah. So Steve says they grew up together They went to school together He makes it sound like they have the exact same birthday down to the year and day It's kind of unclear The cult leader was a football player a jock and then he shifts gears to being this fanatical preacher Like again like I've been saying from the beginning he was screaming and violent and awful and let me say too Steve is the one who tells us he tried to get into different seminaries

37:48But he was rejected for being too fanatical too earnest too Over the top and so he was gonna make his own way and he did wear that rejection as a badge of honor He was too evangelical for the seminary too fanatical So this is not again like let's talk about limiting beliefs and like trade scarves And now suddenly we're a sex cult when branding and abusing people like no he was this From day one and Steve is saying that it was when he was rejected by the seminaries That he had to decide that he wasn't the problem Satan was the problem Well, they broke up but he broke up with them exactly not saying breaking this becomes the the basis of whatever religious bullshit He's spouting is that Satan like oh the seminaries are run by Satan That's why I didn't get in the companies are run by Satan. That's why you can't work for General Mills It's a bad father now. Yes, exactly and now he alone is on a mission to go out and and warn the world about how to be saved from Satan And he's screaming at strangers trash goers people at football games people go into the movies like anyone and everyone and he's Starting it in his hometown and Steve is trying to be like this guy went from being like the cool football

38:52Being like that fucking weirdo at the mall with the sign. Yeah He says aggressive and obnoxious and things got real awkward when Steve started Working as a police reporter. I love it. I had to write about the cult leader getting arrested I took a screenshot of one of these signs. It's one of it's I mean, it's huge It's like 10 feet by 10 feet and all in different colors. It's like Westboro Baptist. That's like the visual What does it say? It says your sin nature is driving you to hell come and repent to the living person of Jesus Christ Not Christianity not church. I mean too much information. Do we not know how signs work? I mean, he doesn't know how anything works. You got a bumper sticker everything Warneke Like this is next too long, but like here's the straw that broke Steve's back or whatever the camel's back. Yeah, Steve is the camel. Oh the shrine circus event This woman Tell Steve that Michael basically like got physical with her and quote roughed her up pretty good We don't get any details about that. I will say it says accosted her verbally But whatever like this guy's a piece of shit Well, he said we get this screenshot of this woman saying that like Michael was telling everyone to sell their TVs

39:56And that everyone's a sinner and that this woman's going to hell and to lay down my monetary possessions And she goes it got to the point where she was in tears And then we get this like they do that like pan like that zoom over the the uh the text the text He said he was going to vomit me out of his mouth to which I say Did he friend to eat her what and then my crazy brain I have to tell you about this funny line from the soprano. Please. Let me think of give it to me So Karam is this isn't the late 90s, right iita was on Broadway. Oh, so Please, I cannot talk about iita. I cannot talk about it Which never could be with me today everyone's super white and blonde and Egypt apparently According to Ellen. Anyway, it's the music is so good It's been my strong It's got and Heather Hadley and Adam Pascal whatever point is so that was like big at the time So Tony comes home music was meadow and she's like oh she went out with Jackie junior. She She's going she's seeing iita and Tony goes. I eat her Like you missed my ears

40:58iita as i eat her and she's like iita John musical but that when I said at the end of that show they put them in a pyramid to starve to death and die And they're happy to do it because they get to be in love It's a Disney musical. It's like My god, unbelievable But he said he was going to vomit. This is how my brain works everyone in case you're wondering like what's it like to be jillian for five seconds I read the words he said he was going to vomit me out of his mouth and then i go did he friend to eat her And i can't say eat her without hearing Tony go iita. Oh my god It's so fucking good when i told Mike about it He was like, please tell the listeners that story from the sopranos if they don't already know that is it Of course, Tony's never been to the fucking theater. I know. I needed a chuckle. It's been three hours of this thing And i was like finally jay That's my track name. Yeah, I needed a chuckle. Did I tell you about the dry name Steve came up with invocation? raft of forios I'm pretty good right because you love orios. Yeah, raft of forios raft of forios. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, that's like kiddie's got claws

41:59It was also sleeve assault teams I thought you're gonna say sleepless in Seattle So this woman wants to press charges obviously he wants to eat her and spit her out or whatever Oh my god I'm sure that's some like biblical thing that he's co-opting. I just like I'm not here for this. So she's like I want a full trial She's like I want to fucking throw the book of this guy. I love it. I love it too The city's like the city cut a deal with him that he would leave town and that Was at the start of his world wide tour Steve's like the problem with that is that that's what like forced him on this world wide tour as he calls it That's when he bought the fucking bus right So we also meet Douglas robber to I love yeah another cult survivor. He met Michael on campus again Why is he allowed to do this on campus here? We are this guy was an avid follower for a year and a half and was like Fuck that what one day he woke up and he was like oh god that was weird I like the first time I get a cassette tape in the mail I'm like I'm not listening to this I'm ready to go girls to get ready to like because you know what you could do you can just go

43:00Yeah, you can just stop it. Yeah, throw it away or you can like not read it Oh, but a year later So he was in the cult like right at the close to the Andrea gates thing So he's out of the cult and then a year after Andrea gates is on the news for doing this horrible thing. Yeah, and so Douglas Let me tell you something I love this shit so much. He starts a website. Yeah about the cult trying to find others and rescue others and help others About this false profit. He goes the website says suicidal homicidal divorce depressed or psychotic like I'm here for you Yes, this shit is exhausting. I love when people do this. You know how much work this is yeah, thankless work This is like what he says they had thousands of views are contacted by at least 40 other people like this guy is seeing the Evil that is being done out there in the world and he's saying This is what happened to Andrea gates. Yes, don't like he's using this for lack of a better term using this story to help people And do some good rusty take notes. Yes, and so he's doing the good work here Girl our places back look. I've got some hard news. What's up? Most nonstick cookware still contains harmful chemicals like Teflon and other

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45:15You can experience this game-changing cookware with zero risk and It's pretty and it's pretty not like that a hundred percent matters, but it kind of matters Kind of like Daisy says it's great, but it's not that important. You know what I mean? Yeah So speaking of the good work when we Ashley and Hilliard, she's a cult intervention specialist There's enough fucking cult in the world that we need intervention specialists. I know and we need a lot more of them We need a lot of that and she's like, yeah, this is a cult like you don't need to be in person to be a cult This is a psychological prison because David the yuppie finds the website and it's like, oh my god That's me. Can I work with you? I want to team up like yes. Can we be lab partners? Yes, and look at Astrid is saying that like this guy puts people in psychological prison That is where Andrea Yates was because and she's also in prison for the rest of her life because there was a verdict And then it's over and the trial is done and she's in prison So all of these people are coming together to say like there's more to this well the good news is But January 6th 2005. Oh, man. I can't see 2000 January 6th up going like oh god. Oh god. Oh my god

46:16January 6th 2005. I'm like, they don't even know what's happening. I know in years for 15 years I can't whenever I would think I would see the data's like 2018 I'm like, oh my god. Like two years from now like the whole world's gonna shut down They don't even know that yet, but in the on this January 6th the conviction was overturned due to false testimony from an expert witness So it all comes down to law and order because someone testified a state expert claimed Andrea Yates watched law and order And they have copied a plot where a mother used postpartum depression as it defends for drowning her children However, it was later proven that no such episode ever existed That Andrea Yates stole this idea. There's an episode of law and order where this mother drowned her kids in the bathtub Andrea Yates saw it got inspired and decided to do that So that sort of negated this like postpartum thing and people were like, oh, she's just crazy Some law clerk had to watch every single episode of law and order to make sure that that episode did not exist So the expert witness was the one who three years later was like I was wrong. There actually wasn't an episode

47:17She did I'm assuming it's a woman because she's the one who would like admit her mistake and get Andrea Yates out of jail But it took three years for them to realize like actually that wasn't wrong You don't even mean that the really fucked up thing to like to to testify to So yeah, so but thankfully this person came back and was like I Oh my god, I can't believe I'm saying this That's crazy Actually, no, and this was like pre you know 2000 this child was in 2001 or whatever So like there wasn't really a full on the internet you can find anything you can find the script for that episode two Yeah, so it took three years so four years or whatever So now we're in the second trial and we meet Todd Todd is the jury form and he goes I got the call to be on the Andrea Yates trial and I gasped I was like me too. I was like I can't imagine But this trial is really really different because the defense knows we got to talk about the cult We really have to explain that's the thing like even though it's the postpartum I can't remember the word they use like she was out of her mind even though that should be enough It was not and when does like bring in the tapes bring in the pamphlets. We got to show them

48:21What this man was doing to what this man got her to believe and Andrea's extended mental health history Yes, which there is much more than what has been brought up here. Yeah Then we meet Dr. Philip Brezenek. He's a forensic psychiatrist He interviewed Andrea Yates then and he's here with us now. Yeah, she was paranoid. She was hallucinating She claims that she and the children would watch cartoons The characters would speak directly to her telling her she was a bad mother Mrs. Yates believed that she was marked as evil She believed she had 666 tattooed on her head She felt she was marked by the devil she thought 666 was tattooed on her head. That's Satan was inside her It's crazy to see her in this because we're seeing the interview that he did with her after she was arrested You can tell that she's sad, but she felt like she saved her kid. Can you imagine how lonely and terrifying that must be I cannot To say I feel like Satan is in me right now in every fiber of my being and then reaching out to someone

49:27About it and either having your husband I believe you or having a cult leader right like well, you fucking deserve it Yes, you know, you have to do like how lonely and scary and terrifying that must be I'll be interested to talk more about her extent in mental health history Yeah, because she was in so deep. She was in a lot. She was in so deep. Yeah, and so Now we have to talk about one of the cult pamphlets called the perilous times. Oh my god. Get it But um, wait, I don't get it where it's like these are perilous times instead of like the New York Times The Seattle Times it's like the perilous times. Oh god. They're trying to have jokes. I know. I know Not I'm not on this witch's watch not on this witch's watch So they present one section of the perilous times and like Todd the jury Forman is like it's all right there. It's right here every single thing that she believed that made her kill her kids Is right here in this text that was like sworn to her by her spiritual master Was like it came directly from God. Mm-hmm. They present the part of the pamphlet that says a child becomes so longer a child

50:28To become no longer innocent If they're not saved before the age of 12, which is the age of accountability You're going to hell And if you had not taken their lives, what did you think would happen to them? Just say we're gonna continue to don't blame And where are they undone? All the kids that I need you that all the men in the room need you to have one after the other after the other whether you want it or not Now you have to kill them. Yeah, because you only got 12 years to save them. You couldn't do it That is fucking insane. Yes. That's not what any god wants. That's fucking crazy So Todd says these trials go by fast in this document very So Todd says we go to the jury room eight of us believe that she was not guilty by reason of insanity For believe that she was guilty So to get into her mind and try to understand if she knew what she was doing was wrong They request two things they request pictures of the kids And a copy of the perilous times that they knew was in the house on the day that she killed the kids because remember a trial They only got to see that one panel of it. It's like an instruction manual. It's an instruction manual

51:32So it's July 26th 2006 and we get the verdict of the second trial She is not guilty by reason of insanity and you can see the look on her face She's stunned by this verdict and I think she's been stunned like she hasn't gotten any help yet Yeah, you know, and like now she's dealing with this horrible thing And for some shitty reason the documentary doesn't tell us what happened after that. Yeah, so I will okay at the time of the murder She was suffering on paper like clinically from severe postpartum depression Postpartum psychosis and schizophrenia those are her diagnoses at the time and this was her going into the trial Yeah, like when this happened. Yeah, so that's why the not guilty by reason of insanity and it holds up Yeah, yeah, she's been at curvil state hospital since 2007, which is a mental facility I would be curious to know what the conditions are like. Is it like a prison or is it more like a hospital? I read the term like low security. Okay, it's more like a hospital She has granted a yearly review every annually to see if she can leave and every single year she refuses it I wonder what the reception for her would be if she was released especially after this documentary

52:38She has never once had a review. She always chooses to continue treatment is the is the word they said Oh, so she can opt out of the review. Yeah, she went like every year She can be reviewed and it can be decided if she is like quote well enough to leave and she doesn't even want the conversation Yeah, she wants to be in there probably to punish herself in her mind But also like she continues the treatment her defense lawyer says that she talks about her children griefs for her children every single day She like watches a lot of home videos like she has access to all of that So she is like sitting with what happened. I can't even imagine she spends her time Making aprons cards and gifts in the craft room and she anonymously sells them and the money goes to the yates children memorial fund Wow, which is something that was founded by her lawyer and his wife and dedicated to women's mental health and particularly like post-partum mental health I donated to it. You should too. It's the yates children memorial fund But like people are don't like I don't know where she's selling it. I'm dumbfounded. I know I don't know where she's selling this stuff But like there are people in the world who have purchased things. Yeah, it's not like oh the angry yates

53:42She's not doing it for that. Right. She's like working as her way of healing or whatever She's making something and like raising money for this fund to help women Hopefully like not like her, you know trying to say yes. Yes. Sorry. I'm just like my head is spinning I know so it's very odd to me that they didn't say they just said like not guilty by reason of insanity Yeah, but what does that mean? Where is she like what happens? So That's what's out there. We'll get more about Rusty later, but I thought it was important to say now like where she is Yeah, I'm just like going Right by it and back with Rusty who won't even admit that it was a cult Rusty would say things like Mike had influence, but it was you know Andrew was psychotic because of her depression I think that he wasn't aware that other people went through some abuse from Michael And he won't acknowledge that the cult had anything to do with the murder of the children He needs it to be the the clinical depression and they hand him this perilous times thing like

54:44But see what like don't you see the connection here? And he sort of pushes it away and goes interesting Yeah, I'm I'm curious about the the emotional motivation here with him like why he's here for the dog No, like why he reacts to these things the way that he why he needs it to not have anything to do with the cult And I just I think that part of it is culpability for him But but at the same time like I and I we don't have to go over this again But I just get stuck on the fact that like in order to get out of bed every day When your five kids are dead Part of you has to just be dead Part of you just has to like get it just be stone like we're gonna see this really awkward moment between him and Moses at the end of this thing Right now well because Moses really wants to connect with Rusty He wants to say to him and like Moses like I love Moses and I want to go to a comedy show Like he seems great to me, but he really wants to say to Rusty I found out what happened with with your family. I was

55:49I was jealous of your kids because they didn't they It might definitely should have happened. They yeah No, well, I hate to say it, but I was jealous when your kids died Because I knew they were going to heaven. I knew where they were going I knew why she did it and I didn't get to go there. He says I mean Moses says that to us verbatim to Rusty Rusty does not have the response that Moses wants Rusty is shut down He is like he is emotionally unavailable. He's not rude to Moses But he's just not willing to like take it in Well, I don't think Rusty knew because at the beginning we like see them meet And this is all that Moses's request. Yeah, and like Moses thinks imagine being Moses and you're like oh my god finally someone else who gets it No one else can get it unless you were in it I don't know if he's met David the yuppie or whatever But like he thinks that he and Rusty are going to have this like oh my god Rusty does not want that. He cannot relate. Yeah, and like it's he's very clearly shocked that Moses is like so affected by what happened

56:54Yeah, and this is not what Rusty signed up for And so Moses wants to be like right so like tell me more about that and really like have this give and take and Rusty Is like any any agreement or any like quote bonding is so disingenuous from Rusty because I think he's doing what he Like trying to get like yes, you know give Moses kind of what he wants But it's not real and we'll never really know what's going on in Rusty's head But I have to allow for the possibility that Rusty has just been through I know we're gonna you're gonna tell us some awful things about this guy But at the same time he sat down to talk to a documentary for god only knows how long about the murder of his like five kids Yeah, I'm confused about that too and so like my well But what I'm saying is I think that like he must be emotionally shut down in this moment And I think because like it's it's a well weird way to end the documentary because it's kind of like It's there's no emotional payoff here Nobody really knows what Rusty is thinking or feeling Moses is not getting the emotional responsibility He wants for his own healing right and then it's over and then we get like on screen text right

57:56Rusty gates continues to work for NASA. Yeah, which should scare you He has a son from a second marriage. He got married a year After the arrest David the yuppie is a retired pharmaceutical representative. He lived that yuppie life good for him He enjoys his time writing and he has a daughter and is living in Houston, Texas Yes, and your favorite and then this is where we learn that Moses isn't a claimed comedian living in Los Angeles When I saw that when I watched this for the first time yesterday. I screamed. Yeah, I was like what it's great Because Moses is like so serious Obviously like like through it. He's like a great storyteller in this documentary But then I watch his comedy clips and he's fucking funny Well, you know, I appreciate this about Moses and David. They showed up to this thing. Yes You know, they showed up. This is what we're here for yeah, so to date no criminal charges have been filed against the cult leader And his wife and the cult leader and his wife continue to travel and preach around the world They have a website that I'm not gonna talk about it. It's absolutely insane. Yeah, let's talk more about Rusty Okay, it is my opinion that I think you should have been charged with something

58:57I think he's culpable here. Here are some things the doc left out These sources include papers from the Cleveland state law review and Fordham law school and like quotes from I showed them all to you today Yeah, like actual documents. Yeah, so this isn't me like no Just ran me The timeline of what happened isn't really fully explained in this documentary Like Andrea had a very well documented history of mental health struggles that Rusty knew about and I think the Fordham law school one It's an actual timeline month to month of like what she said what she was feeling the medications when she came back Like not only were they told not to have more children like very clearly But Rusty was told not to leave Andrea alone specifically because it would lead to tragedy. Yeah, so to see wow like That they were like not like in the trial the doctors like the the doctors asked like and you said that because of Yeah, the circumstance like and he was like yes, so Rusty's bullshit is hard for me to hear when it's like why were you leave? How can you use a word catatonic and in the same breath be like and then off I went to work

59:57Yeah, I agree 100% when he was told very clearly many times by many doctors Rusty said earlier that they only talked about children after they got married Which was weird because I was like that's a conversation you have before you get married, right? No from court documents the couple confidently announced to wedding guests that they would not use birth control They wanted as many children as nature would provide within three months Andrea was pregnant with the first five children That's a quote he also claimed earlier that Andrea was afraid of the negative influence of of school So that she was pushing for the homeschool and Rusty was like what am I to do? I was overruled No, the truth is that she homeschooled her children because quote her husband was concerned that the children might pick up bad habits So he's like now quoting himself, but attributing it to Andrea today in this documentary And it's like why can't you just say that's what we believed yeah, it's odd to me that he everything is her fault Everything is her idea just say This is what we believed you can still believe it. Yes, it's odd like that's why I'm everything is now suspicious Why are we lying about things like this right and the thing that's really sad is that she was

1:01:01Andrea was thriving before rusty like she was lively and social when she was growing up She was the captain of the swim team. She was the president of the national honor society She was the valedictorian why wasn't any of this in the documentary she was like a highly regarded nurse like she had a thriving Life like captain of the swim team president of the national honor society and valedictorian Yeah, that's why didn't we know any of this and she because like and I think it's important to show like what a bright light she really was because after rusty She personally Andrea never personally said anything like critical of her husband But her best friend Debbie Holmes and her mother have described rusty as controlling critical and demanding Andrea let her husband make decisions for the family her mother and Debbie Holmes said that Andrea lost her identity Andrews mother says describes rusty as manipulative and controlling and is on the record saying that rusty pushed her to have the baby The fifth baby especially knowing that Tragedy could strike. Yeah, there are like a lot of notes from her. I'm sorry. Thanks for bearing with me everyone

1:02:01I just think this is really important with you. This is important information Like notes from her group therapy sessions in August of 1999. She says well, rusty rusty permits her to have a few hours per week to spend as she pleases It says the group encourages her to assert herself. Andrea expresses a desire to learn how to enjoy herself again She's feeling stifled and rusty is like fine. You can do whatever you want for like an hour. Yeah And then the next day August 17th 1999 she says that she wants to be more communicative But that Russell usually turns on the TV when he's at home So he's not just not hearing her he's shutting her out. He doesn't want to hear it You know and like it just it just sounds so lonely. She's struggling and trying to talk about it And like she's in these group therapy sessions And then like wants to tell her husband about it and he's turning on the she's in group. This is 1999. Yeah The most happened in 2000 and so like The quote there's another quote that says missus yates agreed to Rusty's plan to have a large family and was determined to be a super mom And she told her prison psychiatrist that after Mary the last their youngest child was born

1:03:05She told Rusty that she didn't want to have sex because the other doctor was warning her about how dangerous it could be to her and her children Rusty she said simply asserted his procreative religious beliefs complemented her as a good mother And persuaded her that she could handle more children and that came from who that came from the notes from her prison psychiatrist Wow, and the thing that really like I want to hit home because I would just talk around in circles and not say it coherently From the notes it says I think this is the Ford and law review It may never be known to what extent Andrew's pregnancies were based on a mutual decision with Rusty Or primarily a product of Rusty's desire for a large family A number of people including Andrea's mother and her friend Debbie Holmes suggested Rusty was a dominating force in the yates family Including the decision to have babies So there is a major consent issue here that is not being discussed It is my opinion that Rusty is a liar that he used Religion to control and manipulate and dominate her. I don't think every pregnancy was consensual

1:04:10I don't think every sexual experience was consensual I think he ignored and diminished her mental health he did app like on the record diminish Ignored. I don't even know if it's a plea a directive from the doctor I don't know if a doctor could say like you're not allowed to have any more children But it was pretty clear What was going on and the timeline is written out you over years So this whole like only after the fourth child she kind of become a little quiet That's a lie that is a proven lie in court documents and like I think he was complicit Like I do I think he was complicit in this and I think that he should have been charged and I resent the fact that he's here Not doing any good work for so many other women who suffer on a regular basis And he just like wanted to get married and have more kids as soon as possible and that's what he did And he got married like less than a year after like a year after and had a kid and they're divorced now You know thank god for her, but like it's all right there for you It's the kind of thing that makes you be like then why do we make this documentary? I know or why do we make it the way that we did And there's a lot more that I didn't mention, but this is a starting off point

1:05:10If you want to do your research, it is all there for you. These are all public things I didn't pay for it. This is not behind a paywall This is all public like 100 page essays like things that are written because this case has been studied Just like the hot coffee case. Yeah, a lot of books now of like this is something that really happens Because there are people that don't believe in postpartum depression There are people who don't believe in the power of cults You know like yeah, there's a lot of work to be done about this So hopefully we did our part a little bit today Well, you sure did Oh, girl, we did Andrea Yates to call behind the killer. I was not like please don't misinterpret my silence as disagreement I don't I I'm my mind is my mind is blown. We're dealing with a bunch of dead kids. That's a hard trigger for me I and the YouTube viewers have the privilege of seeing you so I knew Checking out in any way you're so good at that You really are so good at like getting the receipts and citing your sources and And but also like managing your thoughts in a way that are like coherent and like makes sense

1:06:12I tried I was like in it a lot today I was like letters were flying off my keyboard I was feeling you know I had to say it in a way that was like not getting um, I don't know Maybe this is the misogyny but like not shading it and me just like being angry and screaming Yeah, I tried to present it in a way that was like you guys should listen to this you nailed it if you're at home You absolutely now. All right. Tell them what we're doing next We're going back to smug shot because god damn it. We need a break. God. So this is the The dolly heist. This is about the Salvador dolly painting. Yes. She loves an art. Hi. So God damn it. We needed it. We need it. Yeah, I don't know. It's the second it's the second season. It's the dolly heist I will find the Facebook group. We'll wait. We'll make sure you get it. It's on Netflix, right? It's on It's on like the Sundance channel. It's somewhere. It's on Amazon Prime. It's like in a few different places. Yeah, I'm exhausted This is like a palette. This is like a weak palette cleanser for everyone next week. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah, let's do let's deal some Can you imagine if I was like we're in and for my next trip I'm going to torture you even more. No, we're doing a fucking

1:07:12Everybody. All right. I'll say Can I go home now? Yes, everyone take good care of yourselves and the people you love Please have you know do something go to bed nice and early. What's some shit's creak a little bit of excess? Oh my god I'm sitting there with my wife and the baby And the news is on TV. I'm saying, you know, I'm happy. I'm so proud of my son I said, friend the baby is beautiful and all that and all of a sudden across the TV goes Welcome back from Riker's Island, New York City's famous or infamous jail of all places comes word of an art heist as surreal as the art itself. Oh Shit I looked at my wife and said, well, I'm happy we have a baby, but I'll see you in about 18 years I think I'm going to jail