30 Mindless Minutes: Transformers the Movie 40th Anniversary

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2:05I'm your host, the guy with the award-winning, holy and beautiful beer DJ. Tonight, I've been looking forward to this one. I know I said that each and every episode, but I have got a brand new co-host guest lined up here tonight. A guy I've been trying to get together with for months now over a mutual love of something and some mutual trauma. He is the host of the bandwagon nerds, one Patrick O'Dowd, Patrick. Welcome to 30 mindless minutes. I'm happy to be here finally on one of your podcasts, DJ. I got to tell you, there's a rivalry over bandwagon nerds that you did not participate in. Hardly enough that I facilitate where it all started when you guested Audit Show and then the next week. I was like, I hear he's got a good podcast. I've never listened to it, but I hear he's got a good podcast. Then I've called you the shirtless wonder on occasion.

3:07I may have noticed that on a podcast with my good friend David Ungar and PC Tuddy. Was it King Gone Wrong? Is that King Gone Wrong? Yeah, we can promote some of the Cherish Out Radio Network stuff while we got a minute here. Yeah, not only Patrick on the bandwagon nerds when I was on there. Our little back and forth on that is that he's never listened to an episode of the Mindless Wrestling Podcast. No idea. It's a great podcast. I hear it's good too. I don't know. I can't confirm or deny that. I'm just the guy that steers the ship. And then on Game Gone Wrong, that has kind of become my thing. It's to go shirtless. It was a dangerous request. So if you like that kind of thing, you want to see a middle age, somewhat in shape-ish guy hosting the podcast. Hey, you do more with your time than I do in terms of staying physically fit. I've seen a video or a photo or three. It's a grind.

4:07It's a grind. But we're not here to talk about that. We're not here to talk about my chest or game of thrones or well, we are going to talk bandwagon nerds adjacent. Because this is something entertainment is by podcast, the street flowing, open ended and we talk just about just about anything here. I wanted to have Patrick specifically on here because this is his wheelhouse. I want to talk the 40th anniversary of the Transformers animated movie from 1986. And there's a lot to unpack here because for a lot of kids of that generation, this was our very, one of our very first childhood traumas. And Patrick, I'll let you kind of kick things off here as I've now introduced you in the show. Yeah, sure. So I was eight as a as a child of the 80s. Like my primary childhood of the 80s, there were two cartoons that were kind of king of the castle on Saturday mornings and in syndication. And those were GI Joe and those were the Transformers.

5:08And these two shows in their accompanying toy lines were juggernauts for children of the 80s. You know, right there with masters at the universe, thunder cats, a lot of other stuff. And the GI Joe and Transformers, they were the top. Like those, that was the pinnacle. And they were so popular that Hasbro company were confident enough to make a film. Maybe they were going to do a full length feature film. They're actually three movies that they were going to release based on their toy properties. One was Transformers the Movie, which we're going to talk about. GI Joe the Movie for obvious reasons, connection there. And then the My Little Pony movie, which cool. But My Little Pony for those of you who don't know, ponies with weird beautiful little designs on their pastel colored bodies, they had a little design on their butt, they smelled like strawberries. It was a whole thing. Curls ate it up. Wonderful. But Transformers Movie is infamous because Optimus Prime, who is the, you know,

6:11was the God of all gods among Transformers. They kill him off in the movie. And it will, I'm sure we'll get into a lot more detail about it later. But traumatized the generation of children in the theater, watching Optimus not only die, but like he dies. He gives the death speech. They have a little like heart monitor thing. It stops even though he's a robot and it stops. And then he, he loses all color. He turns black like they, they make it abundantly clear that this is it for Optimus. And it was infamous for children, not just like upset, but like wailing in the movie theater. Parents were furious. And it all came down to Hasbro wanting to sell new toys.

7:12That's so wild. I was 13 when this movie came out or almost 13. I was 86, I was born in 73. So yeah, I'm depending on when it came out. But so I didn't see it in theater. I was in that weird kind of tweeter age where I was still watching the shows, but I didn't let all my friends know that I was still watching the shows, but I certainly wasn't buying the toys. And when it came to toys, I was more of a G, G, I, Joe than transformers, mainly because of cost. You know, obviously at 13, my parents are still buying all the toys. And at two and a half years. Yeah, two and a quarter of a G, I, Joe, they were relatively cheap and transformers back then were depending on what you got anywhere between seven and 15 bucks. Some of the bigger ones may have been a little more, even more. That was an expensive toy for my parents at birthday in Christmas time. And I didn't have the type of parents that just willy-nilly would go on a Wednesday in March and buy toys for the kids. It just, I didn't have it like that.

8:13So I watched this actually, I think I ended up renting it from the video store. Kids, we had a magical place you could go to to watch your movies before we had streaming and the internet and all that. You actually had to get in your car, drive to a place, stare at an aisle and aisles and aisles of videos, and finally, figure out what you want to watch. And I hope that it was in. That was the end. I hope that it was in because it wasn't in. Your shit hasn't in. And that's the key because the movies that didn't do so well, they might have one, maybe two on the shelf. If you had a blockbuster that did well, there'd be 20 or 30 of them up there. But if you didn't do well, which Transformers commercial, we did not. It was one and it was one. So we watched it and the first 20 minutes of the movie is rough. I mean, there's a lot of trauma going on here. There's a lot of, you know, on camera and off camera. Recycling of the toy line. We'll put it for politically correct.

9:14Oh no, they murder Hoboad all kinds of original characters. Like, they did. They did. That opening scene where the Decepticons hop on a spaceship. And they killed Cliff jumper and iron, I'd and I can't. There's a third one. I always forget the third one. But just all three of them just boom, boom, boom. dies. That's like, just, uh, ratchet, not ratchet. But what was the, uh, the ambulance? The ambulance. Yeah, whoever the ambulance was. I can't remember the old top of head. It'll come to be like two o'clock in the morning. And that was a microscope perceptors of microscope. And he survived. Um, but yeah, he shot iron, I'd point blank range in the face. I don't know. I asked last little heroic effort grabs Megatron by the, by the leg. And I just, sorry, just with his plaster arm. Oh my gosh. Um, and this is the children's cartoon, you know, and in the, I'm a hundred different than they were.

10:17But in the first two seasons of that, there was, it was like, everybody was stormtroopers. There was a lot of shooting going on, but they weren't the whole lot of hitting anything. Um, so it was just, you're right. Ratchet. Ratchet was the name. It was ratchet. Okay. I thought it was ratchet, but I didn't want to commit to that name. Yeah. I heard a clifton bird ratchet all die. Yeah. So yeah, so I saw it with my family. They killed jazz too. They did. No, jazz was with, um, jazz, who pays to, no, he was with pride. You're right. He's with pride. That's right. Yeah, he was, he was, he was over there. So I remember watching this and my mother, because she likes to spoil Christmas. We're watching this. We're watching the death scene. And then you said it was all the drama, all the, all the pomp and circumstance for Optimus Prime. My mother sit down the couch. How does a robot die? Well, ma, ma. So here I am at 13 years old, trying to mechanically explain how a robot dies. I'm like, well, if we shot the TV, what he did was, because she's like, he's a robot.

11:20It's just all my kids. I'm like, well, if we shot the TV, what he did, what happened? She's like, I'd buy replacement parts for the TV. I'm like, well, what if you shot it with lasers? Here's the thing your mom has a point because later in the movie, newly introduced. This is the thing is this movie introduced the new toy life. And I double check this. So Hot Rod, who instantly became hated by the same generation of Optimus Prime lovers, because Hot Rod becomes a Rod of his prime. And we're like, that's not Optimus. Get him off my screen. Right. Cup, RC, ultra magnus, and blur. He's like five automats. And a few others down the screener. I'm a little bit more strange. Wheely Springer. Like, there's all these characters. These new automats, all of them, to show up in this movie as if they've been there the whole time. And not one of them. And ultra magnus, because I get, I looked it up.

12:21It was like, was this character in existence before the transform? It's like, no, ultra magnus, who takes on the mantle of leadership, voiced by Robert Stack, by the way, on the planet of Junk, they're in a battle with Galvatron, who is not my Megatron, blows him to pieces, just obliterates him to a million pieces. The fucking Junk robots, though, they fix him. They just put it back together like nothing went wrong. And he's like, you're all alive. It's like, what? What? That's kidding and care. That's kidding and care was so bad about Optimus Prime. Time. And then, and then, and then for me, and Rod of his pride is like, fucking, we're on junky on. And my first thought is, can we fly back over, get Optimus, Ironhide, Wheeljack, and a couple of the others and bring them over and let these guys hit him with the gears. Yeah, fix us so we can bring it back to life.

13:21Why did we not, why did nobody think of this, you know, posthumously? One thing I'm going to do, I want to put out there for context, as you talk about all these characters, who they introduce that are new to the toy line, they do have a little bit of a workaround because this story takes place about 20 years in the future, in the future, from when the first two seasons ended. So they did do a time jump, there's a little bit of play in in terms of, well, they were never here before, well, they're here now, they found their way there, okay? Right. And kids, for those of you don't know, if you only understand Transformers from the Broadcast, movies, Shilobuff, place, San Luis Wickey, is also known as Spike. Spike was the kid in the animated series and he is an adult who let himself go a little bit, like he put on a few, he did not go to the DJ workout program and he keep himself fit. And he did Spike, Spike has a son, his name is Daniel, and that's now my connection as a child,

14:23I'm supposed to be all for Daniel and it's like, but you're not Spike. Like you just got. Right. Like it was, it was, it was T-Mew Autobots, it was T-Mew Spike with fucking Daniel, learning how to be a robot. But yeah, because they gave him the robot exosuit. They gave him robot exosuit. And that's one of his own robot exosuit, Patrick. I hear you and at the same time, I, it's, it's, it's just, it was an interesting thing as a child, it was like the first time that corporate America betrayed me. And so just to, to just lay it out, how brilliant, Hasbro's brilliance was also its downfall with, not so much, transformers actually lived on. Like that is lived on through generations, but it did kill GI Joe. And it was their model with these toys.

15:25So they had these toys, right? And they wanted to, to put them out there and market them in a way that kids were going to excited and buy it, buy them. So they did a three-pronged approach where they had the toy, then they cooperated and teamed up with Marvel Comics of like Spider-Man fame, and put a team of writers to write, transformer comic books. And then they reached out to an animated studio called a toy slash sunbow was the productions. And this Japanese company made high quality animated cartoons. And Hasbro was like, do your own thing, tell your stories with these characters. We just need the characters in them because we are selling these toys. And so the writers and the creative people are like, okay. And they made, like, transformers seasons would have like five episodes story arcs.

16:27Had deep character development, which is, and so these kids were going to us for it. And then on the comic book side was the exact same thing, the writers. And they did this with GI Joe as well. GI Joe had the exact same three-pronged approach. And so you hit two different generations of audiences because someone like you, who was in their teens, might be more apt to own a collection of comic books as they move away from animated series. And they had this animated series where the animation was unbelievably great for an American television show. And they were telling stories that were unbelievable and everybody just, they loved those characters. And then Hasbro wanted to sell more toys and underestimated the power of those other two mediums. Because that's what traumatized the children was the cartoon. If the cartoon had been vapid and stupid, but we still loved it because it was a vapid and stupid cartoon, we probably accept Hot Rod as the new leader of the Autobahn.

17:31But it probably, and interesting that you say that because the comics were quite tonally more mature than the cartoon was. I actually got in the mail on Sunday. I ordered the original Marvel Comics GI Joe's in competitive and f-cantium number one. Those original, Leroy Sam Heavy, yeah. Those early Larry Hammer stories were really, really good. And that's why I wanted them because he actually I have another set here that he came back more recently and to do another like three part, it's not three parts, it's actually three graphic novels. But he came back and did some stories. And I'm like, I really want to go back and revisit those Larry Hammer stories. So I bought the first compendium. There's like four of them and I think it goes up to like issue 150 something in that original Marvel run because you can't get them in graphic novel for many more because the licensing rights went for Marvel to like I.V.W. and now currently image has

18:33the GI Joe and the Transformers property, which sidebar on that if you're still into comics and you're collecting that energon universe that they're doing where they're tying in GI Joe Transverse. Right. It's incredible. So far what I've read incredible. I've got all the original stories to to most of it and it's really, really good. But yeah, for me, like I said, I kind of aged out on the toys, but I was still watching the shows. You talk a minute about the animation. And yeah, the animation on the shows was like leave some bounds better than anything we had gotten up until that point, taking it a step further. And this was something I wanted to talk about. The animation of the movie was just even like they really took time. These movies were not short on production. And so not at all. The first thing that I was blown away with was all the minute little details like the computer screens when they're flying in the shadows, there's a glare on all the games. The artwork on Unicron, the big bad in that movie

19:37that's voiced by Orson Wells by the way. That was Orson Wells last Hollywood role. What are film was the voice of Unicron and the transforms. But the attention to detail of this giant transformer that is a planet. Basically, if you're a Marvel fan, think ego-the-living planet, but in robot form, highly detailed and devouring anything in its path. It's spectacular. And then when he transforms into the giant robot version of Unicron to battle everybody united. Oh, Cheskis. Yeah, it really was. And I remember watching that because you got the planet and the planet is going around eating other planets. The movie starts off that way. He gets a form of representative robots. Not in the beginning, he eats a different planet. He's a different planet, but he's going to eat Cybertron. He eats Cybertron. That's his goal. And as they expanded Transformers lore in the books and other shows, you find out why because Cybertron is equally a robot that transforms. And there's a whole backstory and aons of hatred and warfare between the two of

20:42them, but that's not the purpose of this discussion. I'm way too nerdy about this. No, no, I understand. It's easy to get into the weeds. It is. But yeah, I was blown away. That was really the first before I really paid attention to the core story and everything. The first thing that blew me away was yeah, the TV show was good for its its animation style, but this was just like anime. You know, this was an animation. Yeah. And you consider that. And then you add on to an abanger of a soundtrack that, you know, the touch, everybody knows the touch, but we're now yank of it. His song Dare to Be Stooping is in that movie. It is it is the music playing during the junk to car. And they're not the junk to get the junk ins junk ins when they're when they're messing with the Autobots and race you're out and screw with them. That is dare to be stupid is playing you're out of the background. And how great is that? Like so it really is one of the

21:46greatest animated films of the 80s. Disney wasn't do a shit back then like yet all over a company and a great house to tentive like you weren't the black cauldron failed because it was dark Disney. So the Transformers came in and filled this like banger of a movie void that was vision for traumatized the generation of children. And I couldn't finish. I'm sorry, well no, no, no, no, I'll go to that part of the second. So if you've ever furnished a restaurant, hotel or an office, you know the drill. Five vendors, five invoices, five delivery windows. But there's a better way to do this. Creighton Barrel Contract is a business to business program that covers three brands. Creighton Barrel, CB2 and Creighton Kids with one account, one order, one delivery. They've got durable plates and glasses, contract grade furniture, and lighting that looks custom that's built for the wear of busy space actually takes. And the best part is you're not doing it alone. A dedicated rep handles your project end to end from volume orders to design

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23:52Client was paid $1,000 for their testimonial creating a conflict of interest outcomes very. Investment Management and Advisory Services provided by wealthfront advisors LLC and SEC registered investment advisor investing involves risked principal regardless of the strategy used. Has performance does not guarantee future results. Now I was about to say I'm in a room. This is my I call it the pod cave. This is where I do all my my stuff. I'm in a room surrounded by nerd culture. I have action figures. I have WWE championship belts. Probably about 300 graphic novels to my left. The crown jewel of my entire nerd collection. Is this damn thing? The you and I've got my background on it. See it there. There you go. It sounds like a movie soundtrack. Yeah. And interestingly enough, the story behind how I got that I didn't order that I got that back in the mid 90s. I want to say it was probably around 94 95. I was in a record store. Again, kids in our youths. We didn't just download music off of the off of the internet. We didn't go to Spotify or Apple music or anything like that. You actually had to get in your car. Drive to a

24:54place that had CDs and records still at that point. And his tapes. And you had to again look through hundreds of them and hope that you would find what you want to. Now there was one enough to advertise it. Obviously, but I was in there one day and I wasn't I was looking for something else. I don't even remember what I was looking for. And for the hell of it. Again, because they're albuming ties. I was somewhere around the S's and things like that. And just for the hell of it, that popped in my head. I'm like, I wonder. So I started flipping through the T's and damn if I didn't come across this thing, took it up to the desk and it's in here. I'm going to buy this. I'm like, how the hell did you guys end up with this? This movie is almost 10 years old. I've never seen this in the store anywhere. He's like, I don't know. So guy came in a couple of weeks ago, ordered it and never picked it up. I'm like, sure. Here's by $11. Take my $11. And it's the best part is you've got like a black and white rendering of the poster because even

25:57the movie poster was dynamite. Yes. Of like, I think it's been like all pointing up towards the sky with like the guns blazing like, oh, it was so good. We were so excited. And again, that moment in that movie, like we watched the rest of that movie. It is a good movie. It tells a good story. You know, the Matrix of the leader, a lot of things that they bring up in those movies, continue on to this day. But the reception of that movie was so bad. Or so negative from kids and parents that has pro changed the GI Joe movie. And neither the GI Joe movie nor the My Little Pony movie ever made it to the big screen because of the failure of that one. The GI Joe movie then got released as a five-part mini series that you could watch on USA. I want to see that at the time like the USA network. And I remember

27:00renting, I remember renting that at a video store because GI Joe, again, they wanted to sell new toys. So they wanted to kill Duke. And they saw the response that kids had to transformers and optimists dying that they're like, we can't kill Duke. And so if you go back and you watch that movie, when Duke protects his little brother Flint, takes a snake from serpent or in the chest. And that's, he goes lies down, he gives this speech, and then he closes his eyes and you hear Scarlet. You don't see Scarlet. You just hear Scarlet. He's slipping into a coma. Yeah. We go, we go through the rest of the GI Joe movie. And as they're enjoying their victory, all of a sudden again, you don't see them, but you hear them over the radio. Hey, everyone, this is Doc. Duke's going to be okay. Everybody cheers. Yay. And then immediately after that,

28:03I think I said Flint, that's not the right name Falcon. Lieutenant Falcon was Duke's little brother. Lieutenant Falcon is then looking up at the stars, being like, this one's for you, bro, because he was dead. Now they changed it. They changed it because Hasbro underestimated the power of the animators and the comic book artists that put that story together. It did so bad. Or it changed things so badly. Hasbro lost their animation studio out of it. And if you watch the generation of GI Joe series that came after the GI Joe movie, still technically a part of the American hero line is done by DIC animation, Dick animation. Hey, you immediately notice a drop in quality. The Transformers, they realized they're fuck up so bad that in their season for also with a different animation company, this one out of Korea. And again, you can see if the coloring is different, the lines aren't as clear or crisp. It is a different look. They brought

29:05Optimus Prime back to life because they had to resurrect Optimus Prime because kids weren't having it. And the hot rod toy did not sell. That's crazy. It's so neat. Interestingly enough, and I read this earlier because I did a little bit of research before this podcast, that almost went in the opposite direction because they were producing both movies at the same time. They anticipated GI Joe being released first, but they finished Transformers first. So they released that one. It's very, very, very timing a little bit differently. That could have gone completely opposite. Right. And, but it would have still generated the same reaction. Oh, absolutely. Same thing. Duke dies. Everybody's losing their shit. And then suddenly, here's the thing is they can actually cover for it in the GI Joe movie. And a way you can't do in the Transformers movie. The way that they killed him off in the Transformers movie is so

30:05completely just like he's dead. There's no death. There's no comeback. No perceptor coming back at the end of the movie. Hey, everybody. I'm right here with Optimus Prime. He's going to be okay. Nope. That's what we had. Yeah. It's interesting though that the toys didn't sell because I thought some of them were kind of cool again as part of my nerd collection. He's somewhere around here. I have Springer. The triple changer. Yeah. RC. So RC still gets loved to this. Yeah. She's one of the ones who really came out. Now part of it could be this weird teen boy obsession with a girl. Oh, no. She was the girl robot. But she's always been popular like ever since she came out. But like nobody cared about Cup who was supposed to be the grizzled little veteran, which again, grizzled little veteran. And it's like who the hell are you? Yeah. Springer as the triple changing was awesome.

31:12Again, we did we didn't buy into Galvatron, which honestly if you had to choose between Galvatron and Megatron, you choose a Megatron because again, this true story kids, Megatron transformed into a handgun and they sold that to kids. It's a kids and people were like, fied with it. Nobody was like, this is we shouldn't be doing this. You can't do that now. And you just can't do it. Toys have been changed so much. Yeah. Or orange cap or no. No, no. What? One thing that you mentioned and obviously the animators and the comic writers and everything were big in that entire thing. But the other thing they didn't read the Rue Maun was exactly what Optimus Prime, the character meant to kids. And that's accentuated by the voice work of Peter Colum. I think I guess his his his voice work just added gravitas to that. And by the fall Frank

32:13Welker being Megatron was the perfect foil and those two and you watched and and God blessed Leonard Neymoy. Okay. All the respect in the world of Leonard Neymoy who voiced Galvatron in the movie Frank Welker took over the duties in the third and fourth seasons of the continuation of that. But yeah, kids grew up with Optimus Prime. He was like a de facto babysitter dad. And then you do you remember who voiced hot ride? Son of a Sprite? Yeah, it was a just fell right out of my head. It was one of the he was one of the brat pack. Jud Nelson. Jud Nelson. Yep. Jud Nelson. Yeah. Jud Nelson. There was actually an all star cast and that thing. And even when you had Joe the movie, there was a you know, they had a few names in there. You had John Johnson. Yeah, we did it. Yeah, we did it. Talking was Don Johnson. Galvatron was voiced by Burgess Meredith. Burgess Meredith. And then obviously Sergeant Slotter, they introduced him, which was fun. So good idea. Patrick, I think we've squeezed a lot into 30 minutes. Do you have anything else

33:16you want to get out for your chest with this before you had it? You had a talking point. Did you hit it? This was just one of the peak examples of the 1980s of childhood trauma entertainment. And there were so many examples of the way that kids movies were designed to terrify you or make you weak as a child. And whether it was this, the never ending story on some on some levels, the dark crystal. And American tale, the label for time, trauma inducing films. And this was the peak of it all for many a boy ages seven to 13. And as we unpack that childhood trauma, I may have Patrick back to talk about some of those movies that he just listed. Also in the trauma, the trauma theme, I want to hit you with this before we get out of here. We're going to over and that's okay. Your childhood trauma is forever linked to me now because they're re-releasing this movie

34:21at the 40 year mark on my birthday on September 17th. Happy birthday. So yep, yep. I have to miss it. Can I can you believe that? I can't see it because my parents are visiting in town. So I have to hang out with my parents. That's okay. I own it in the next room. I have the 20th anniversary on DVD somewhere. We'll probably go watch it if they have it in the theater near me, but it's on like a win. I think my birthday is on a Wednesday or Thursday this year. Yeah, it's one of those fathom of that deal. So yeah. So Patrick, thank you so much for giving us 30 minutes of your day. Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate you bringing me on the show climate. Yep, and I will have you on here again. This has been a good time. Patrick and I, we have a little we have a little headbutt moments when we have we have great conversation here. This has been fun. It's really the Zack Snyder thing. It is and we can probably unpack that another day. That could be a difficulty. Shoot your shoot your stuff out there. Where can people find you? What do you have going on? Yeah, well, you can always catch me talking dirty stuff every Monday on

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