3.2 Belief, Doubt, and Staying in the Room Together

In this episode, I’m joined by Matthew Boswell for a slow, open conversation across difference.

Matt and I come from very different backgrounds.

I approach mindfulness from a secular, psychology based perspective.

Matt moved through atheism and later returned to Christianity, and now serves as a pastor.

Rather than debating beliefs or trying to persuade each other, we talk about how belief forms, how doubt lives in the body, and what belonging can mean when people hold very different worldviews.

We explore upbringing, identity, faith, secularism, certainty, uncertainty, and what it takes to stay present and curious in conversations where agreement is not the goal.

This episode is about listening without needing to win.

About understanding without collapsing difference.

And about what becomes possible when people remain in relationship across belief.

Matthew is the pastor of Redemption Church in Duvall, Washington, which you can find at iamrc.org.

He also hosts a podcast called Everyday Missionary, available at everyday-missionary.com, where he reflects on faith and everyday life.

Alongside this podcast, I host Calm Hours, a free, secular sanctuary where people can rest together without fixing, sharing, or performing.

This work is community supported.

You can learn more at jeremywest.net