Zack Wheeler LIVE From Phillies' Spring Training

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2:01That's commuterconnections.org. Welcome back, midday show. Hugh Douglas, Joe Gillio Spring. Training coverage brought to you by Surfside, Icy and Vodka, proud partner of the Philadelphia Phillies. We're going to play the Red Sox today. We're a live bake here at Ballpark in clear water, Florida. Coming up one hour from now, Tom McCartney's going to hop in the booths and we'll talk to him about what he's seeing with this team as we... What are, is today Thursday? Yeah, so we're three weeks from opening day today. It's coming up pretty quickly here. JT Real Moots is going to be on with us at one o'clock. We'll get back to everyone's phone calls on AJ. Are you ready to say goodbye? I mean, I think most clear headed people are, Hugh Douglas, not among them today. At least not yet. Back to your phone calls and of course, Hugh's close to all, but let's take a few minutes to chat with Phillies starting pitcher, Zach Wheeler. First time we've had a chance to talk to him and been on WIP

3:02since the surgery of the injury last year. He's making his way back Zach Wheeler on the midday show. All right, we are here with Phillies starting pitcher, Zach Wheeler on the midday show live in clear water, Florida. Zach, how you doing? How you feeling? Feeling well, spring training. So, you know, all the normal stuff, just getting through some, you know, some drills and getting through the day and trying to get out of here. You know, Zach, I told Joe I was going to let him ask the first question because I got some off the beat questions that I want to ask, man. And the first is about to rip. OK. I need to know the conversation that was had between you and the doctor. When you said, how did it go? Because me and Kyle, we have a bet on how the conversation went. And I just, before I say anything, I just need to know how that conversation went. And how did you acquire your own rib, man? How did you do that? So, I think it's pretty common when you have that surgery for the person that get the rib. It is? Yeah, I think so. I've known some baseball players to get the rib.

4:03I've also heard of other people not being offered the rib. So, maybe it's not a thing, but I don't know. Maybe it's just a position that we're in. They give us the rib for some reason. But anyways, I'm there. I'm laying in the hospital bed. And the doctor comes in. And he basically pulls it out of the envelope. And it's just like, you know, most of the time, I'm a milit to my patients. But I'm going to give it to you right now. And so, I basically just unraveled it from the Ziploc. And I looked at it, and it's pretty fresh. I didn't know that. I forgot how we said the story was going, but that is not how I anticipated it. I didn't know the doctor gave it to you. I thought it was going to be something where you had to actually ask for the rib. Yeah, he offered it to me, and it was a day or two later. I think it was. So, well, he was worried it was a biohazard. So, like, do you have it like a brain, or is it just like on top of a shelf somewhere? Well, it was funny. It became a story when, you know, we're down here and it blew up like crazy. It's just a reporter asked me, do you have the rib?

5:04I said, yeah. And then, where is it? I said, it's in my closet. And I mean, we're like, where are you want me to have this rib at? You know, it's, so, yeah, I mean, it's Paul, the trainer, he like, you have to like preserve it and stuff. Like, I don't know, you have to mix it in a bunch of stuff and preserve it and like put a wax on it or something like that. And then you could, I just think this story is fascinating. It's weird. It's weird. I mean, it's just, it's fascinating because I thought you asked for it. I thought you, you know, after you had the surgery that you asked for, and Kyle said it probably gave it to you. I think that's what you said, Kyle, correct. I said, I bet you the doctor just said, do you want to keep the rib? And he said, yeah. Yeah, that's just, I just find it fascinating. But we had, like, but we're not gonna, I'm not gonna lie to you. I had painted this whole picture of how, it's like how you would have conversations when you people come over and say, hey, you want to see my rib and it's in the closet, you know, I just thought you had this whole spiel and like had a shrine to like, you're real about the house and something. Yeah, maybe some people would, I don't know, but, it is a little weird, you know, you gave it to me,

6:05so I just kept it and, I don't know, just do it in the closet. So how close do you feel to yourself? Do you feel yourself? Like, let's say this never happened. Is this spring different for you? The way you feel, I know it's been a different path right, the process to get this opening day and whenever you want to bring it back on the mount during the season. But do you feel different today than you did a year ago in spring training? It is, I don't know, it's kind of hard to say. I mean, you know, I don't feel different as in like my shoulder or the rib area. I'm just a little behind at this point. Obviously, then what I normally am. So, I think I threw my third bullpen yesterday. You know, still just, you know, kind of getting through the ups and downs of starting to throw off the mount. You know, your first one's always good, usually for me at least. And then it kind of goes downhill with, you know, over rotating and I just get kind of sloppy

7:05with my mechanics and stuff. And then you kind of have to fix it and adjust and then it starts going back to where you want it. So, I'm kind of at that point right now where it balls not really going where I want it to, but that's where you start working and get it back to where you want it to. So, that's normal for me in spring. Shorter feels great. You know, honestly, if that doesn't really feel any different than it did before. So. Do you have a target, the date, or is it going to be a little more fluid in terms of, hey, I'm in this process and I'm going to mount then some starts, innings. Or do you have a date in your mind where you're like, that's, I want to be back, April 15th, April 20th, May 1st, do you have a date in mind or is it more, how the progress goes? I think we have a date that we're working towards. I don't think I'm going to put that out there, but, you know, it's, you set goals along the way. Sometimes you reach them, sometimes you don't. So, you know, that's for me personally in our staff. And, you know, this is something that, you know, you work towards every day, gives you that motivation.

8:05And, you know, it's, like I said, everything's going smooth so far. You never know when something could pop up. It's baseball, it's, you know, your body. And, you know, you kind of just hope for the best. And I feel great though. You know, it's speaking to that and being an older player. And, you know, how it is when you have injuries like that later in your career, how tough was it to kind of deal with the whole process of going through it and, you know, they're trying to figure out what's going on with, you know, our other stuff. How tough was that for you? It was different. You know, it's something that you really don't think is going to happen. You know, you rarely hear about it. And then, you know, it's just something that, like I said, you just don't expect. So, I felt that obviously during that game against the Nationals, but I felt that the day before also, you know, I just felt kind of full when I got my heart rate up a little bit. And, so we're like, whatever, we'll see how it is tomorrow.

9:06And then I got my heart rate up in the training room before just doing some, you know, arm exercises and getting to lose some stuff. And I went out there to the mound and I felt it. And then I kind of just pitched through it and that came in after. And their orthopedic guys came over and were like, yeah, it's like, you need to get that checked out. So next morning I went and that's kind of how we found out about it. So it was all kind of, kind of quick. It happened pretty quick, you know, it wasn't something that really had a chance to really process it exactly. Exactly, you know, I had a process a little bit afterwards just because from getting that original blood clot out to the surgery was about a month. So you had a little bit of time to think about it. But, you know, the doctor made me feel pretty comfortable about it and made it seem pretty simple and easy. So have you had a chance to talk to any of the guys that have had the same surgery? Because it's not a very common one, but it's happened enough now that there's some sample out there and some guys have not come back great, but Merrill Curley, an example, recent years had it and he made 30 starts

10:07and to me he looks like he used to look. Well, there's different, there's three different kinds of the TOS which I didn't know before. There's the venus, the, and the nerve one and then something else, I forget. And the artery one I think it is or something, I don't know. But there's three of them, I didn't even know that and I guess the nerve one's the hardest one that guys have had coming back from. The Strasbourg I think it was and Harvey and a couple other guys. Kelly and myself have had the venus one and that seems to be a little easier to come back from for whatever reason. So that was good when I heard about that, but going to your point when guys have reached out to me, the handful of guys actually, and I appreciate it and you love that from fellow players around the league. But at the same time, I kinda set and thought about for a second, I don't wanna really hear speed bumps that they had

11:09just because I didn't want to expect that at a certain point in my rehab or this is the process for me. I don't wanna be like, oh, this guy had this at week eight like here, maybe I should fill this at week eight. No, I just wanna just do my own thing if something comes up and we'll deal with it, but yeah, that's why I kinda didn't talk to anybody else about their experience. So I'm kinda curious because you seem like real calm and kinda taking every day as it comes. So how has all of this dealing with all of this changed your perspective on how you look at baseball moving forward now? I don't know. I'm a little different than most guys I feel like as in, like you said, I kinda just take things as they come. You know, I had a problem, we took care of it. Now we're just gonna go back and pitch. Okay, got me, because you know, sometimes as an older player when certain things happen, when you get a certain age, you start to think about your mortality in the game and things of that nature. So that is never, you're just like, hey, we gonna get it fixed and we're gonna go back out there,

12:10we're gonna do our thing. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. I mean, I may not be the same pitcher, I don't know, but that's the mindset and that's what I'm working towards right now, and I think that's the motivation that I need to, you know, just do my thing every day. Just work out and get stronger and just keep being the guy who I was. Let's talk about the team and expectations and where you guys are. I mean, you guys have been so close for years now. I mean, I had imagined last year was tough for you watching the playoffs, not been all participate. You guys were this close in that series against the Dodgers, but another year, expectations are big. What's the vibe here? Because this year, it's similar, but there's also some new young guys that you guys were working in, a painter with you in the rotation. What's the vibe in this spring training considering the expectations you guys have on yourselves? I don't think it's different than most years, without some of the guys being here right now, for the WBC, but I think we all have the same mindset and that's the same as yours passes, winning the World Series. I know we haven't done it, we've come up short,

13:11each year's gotten a little further away from it, which is unfortunate, but we all still have the same drive and we still want to win. I think getting so close all these years and kind of taking a step back every year has pushed us a little bit more this year. We know we're all a little older and that saying that, you know, that's a factor of us not getting the where we want to be, but it's something. Yeah, it's the reality, we're all getting a little older. I haven't won a World Series, I want to win one, Schorber's one one. I know he wants to win another one, when you get that taste, you want to win another one. And so everybody kind of want to put their stamp here. Everybody, you know, this is a great sports town and we want to be a part of that. Zach Wheeler with us here on the Midday Show. Zach, let's have some of the young guys the rotation that are with you now. I mean, you got here was you and Noah at the top, right? And then there's a bunch of other guys behind you. And now it feels like it's changed to where you got some other stars with you and Aaron

14:12in this rotation. Luzardo did last year, Christopher Sanchez. What has it been like watching Sanchez particular develop over the years with you in this rotation? Yeah, it's pretty cool. You know, he had a lot of potential when he first came over and then came up to Big League Camp. You know, we all heard he used to throw 9900 just with no command. And then he kind of took a step back. Lower his wheel a little bit, started getting his command. And then once he got comfortable with that, his wheel started going back up. And that's usually what you want to do. As a pitcher is kind of get that command under control. Maybe if it is taking a little bit off. And then once you get that conflict, you know, once you get comfortable throwing strikes, re-want, you can kind of pick up the intensity and your wheel comes a little bit back. But anyways, his change up is unbelievable. It's probably the best one in the Big League's. And that helps him out a lot. But he's motivated.

15:14He's one of the hardest working guys on the staff. And, you know, his hard work has paid off. He's committed. He was telling me the other day that he watches video every single day. That's not a big thing anymore. Watching video. You know, you have guys coming to you basically telling you what the video would show you instead of looking at video these days. You know, Nolz, I expect him to have a bounce back here. I know he wasn't happy about how last year went. I know he still has it in him, obviously. And, you know, a painter. He's promising, you know, you always love a big, strong, you know, and kid who can throw hard. A lot of potential there. And Lazardo, I mean, we all knew what he had. And then last year, I think, you know, he just stepped up this game being a part of our staff, which was probably top three in the big leagues. And you don't want to be the logo on the total pole.

16:14So, you know, I think he stepped up this game a little bit and he fit right in. Let's talk about the future a little bit. When you signed, I think you signed your most recent deal right after we had you on a couple of years ago in spring training. I think right after we don't talk and you signed before the season. And, you know, you said at that point, it's probably gonna be your last contract. You still feel that way? Is this it this year, next year? And then Zach Wheeler's, is that it's retirement or is that changed? You know, I keep getting asked this question and I guess I've set myself up for it, but I don't know. I mean, you know, it's, it probably just depends on what happens next year. You know, with a lockout and everything like that. So, you know, I never want to say never, but yeah, it's still up in there. What's your feeling on the potential linemen? It's a huge story. The lockout, I know last year, Rob Manford talked to your team. I know the team's, I think Bruce Mayer was here yesterday, talking to you guys. You've been in the big leagues a long time. You've seen these, you had the lockout, you know, a couple of years ago here with the, when you're with the Phillies. What's your feeling on how this is gonna go?

17:15And do you think we're headed for a work stoppage? I think so. Yeah, I mean, that's what it sounded like and that's what it was looking like, unfortunately. You know, the owners, it's kind of a touchy subject, you know? Everybody has, I don't know, it's weird. It's, you know, everybody here has a lot of money I hate saying that, but, and we're fighting over a kid's game. It's, we love playing ball. We want to play, we know the fans love us. It's nothing on them, it's this, we want what we think we deserve and the owners don't want to give it to us. So, it's, you know, it's part of it and other sports have collapsed in a sense. They're, they're player unions and they have a salary cat now. We don't want to do that, that's not us and all the guys before us have been battling that

18:18for years and years and years and, you know, we haven't let them do that to us and that's still the plan and that's where we're at with that. Let's end with a change that is in happening now which is the ABS system. What do you think of it? Yeah. It's funny. I see you being real measured and what you're saying is cool. It's cool. I mean, you know. I don't get in trouble. It's funny, it's, I see it both ways. You know, it could definitely be helpful. At the same time, I remember when we got out of here last year at the beginning of the season, umpires were so used to having a smaller zone trying to, you know, perfect it here in the spring training the ABS system because we hadn't springed last year and at the beginning of the season and the regular season, they're missing calls because they're so used to being smaller. So, you know, I'm just thinking going into the season, I don't want the umpires to miss strike calls and then, you know, you only have two challenges and if you miss one, you have one left and you don't want to use that one.

19:19So I just don't want, you know, strike calls being called balls because they're scared of calling balls or scared of calling ball strikes or whatever it is. You know, is this weird last year at the beginning of the season? You know, there's a lot of strikes being called balls and I just don't want that to happen again because they're afraid of messing up. Um, you know, it's nothing on them. I'd probably be the same way if I was behind the plate. Um, but yeah, it's, it's weird. It's, you know, it's different from what we're all used to. Um, you know, it could be helpful, you know. This episode is brought to you by progressive insurance. Whether you love true crime or comedy, celebrity interviews or news, you call the shots on what's in your podcast queue. And guess what? Now you can call them on your auto insurance too with the name your price tool from progressive. It works just the way it sounds. You tell progressive how much you want to pay for car insurance and they'll show you coverage options that fit your budget. Get your quote today at progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust progressive, progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates,

20:21price and coverage match limited by state law. I'm done carrying around bulky drinks. And I'm definitely done cleaning melted candy out of my pockets. So yeah, I traded them both in for fruity rainbow five hour energy shots. These little guys are as pocket sized as any candy. But instead of a sugar crash, you get a zero sugar caffeine boost. Candy can't even compare at this point. fruity rainbow five hour energy shots treat your taste buds to an explosion of fruity flavor with a tasty caffeine kick. That's right, caffeine just got a flavor upgrade. And it's not just one flavor. Five hour energy shots bring you tasty caffeine and 17 flavors, 17. So if you're craving that candy flavored chaos, but actually want energy that works, grab fruity rainbow five hour energy shots, pocket sized, zero sugar, big flavor. Available now at fivehourenergy.com or on Amazon.

21:21Get more out of every mile when you share the ride to work. With carpooling, you'll have time to relax, save money and pick up new friends. Commuter connections can help you find carpool partners who live and work near you. Even if you're commuting just a few days a week, it's a free service. Carpooling, every dollar saved, every friend made. Register for free carpool partner ride matching at commuterconnections.org or call 800-745-RIDE. That's commuterconnections.org. Later in the game, big, big time up the plate. Schwarber Harper's up there and a guy just misses a call. It's way off the plate and they challenge it. It gets called a ball, which it should have been. And next, especially hit a home run, they make us go ahead and win the game. It could definitely help us and it could definitely hurt us. This was one of those things. Do you foresee yourself using it as a pitcher? I heard Chris Salfewick's gonna say, he'll never challenge. Yeah. Would you? Or is that something you're gonna leave more to the hitters to do when you guys are up?

22:22I'll probably leave it up to JT, 99% of the time, unless once, directly down the middle, which saffons sometimes. They're directly down the middle and he calls it a ball. Otherwise, I'm leaving it up to JT because there's been plenty of times where I throw a ball on a plate. Dude, what the heck? That's right down the middle. And then I go back and look at the iPad after the game and it's three balls off the plate. And JT's is so good at making it look like a strike that it fools us on the mound sometimes too. So I don't think I could ever do that. Good stuff, Zach, man. We appreciate you hopping on, given us some time. We're happy you're back. Good luck with the health and moving forward and we're excited to see you back on the mound very soon. Yeah, thanks for having me, guys. There you go, Zach Wheeler here on the main show on Sports Radio 94 at WIP. Here was fun to talk to Zach first time, obviously since the injury last year. And it would struck me. A lot of things stood out to me for the interview. But he seems like the right kind of person have to go through what he went through. Yeah, like he just seems like. He's locked in, man. And to me, just sitting there talking to him, he felt like he was real relaxed

23:24and he was like, hey, however it comes, I'll be prepared for it. You know, a lot of guys aren't built like that, especially when you talk about you being reflective on where you are in your career and having an injury that's late in the game and the future not being certain. He seemed like he's in a good space. He's in a good space. He's been going to have a good season this year. And he seems like he expects to be himself. Now, I don't think anyone's going to know. I don't even think he will know until the game start when he's back on the mound. But it was encouraging to hear him talk about that there's the three different kinds of the similar surgery. And the one he had is similar to the one Merrill Kelly, the most recent guy before him to have it. And he's come back and pitched like he used to, right? Like it's been the same kind of pitch. Yeah, because it was a different, he said it was more in the vein instead of the nerve. So yeah, that's encouraging. And it was also encouraging when he talked about the fact that he's not worried about where somebody else is progressed in this journey. It's just where he is and how he feels. That's important. The other thing that, of course, stood out and we were all waiting with Bated Breath after yesterday is the process to which he got his rip.

24:26I win. You did. Yeah, I was right. But it's still a biohazard. It is still a biohazard. Well, he talked about preserving it. Yeah, and all that other stuff. So it was, I just felt, I thought it was interesting. I didn't know that most people that had that surgery, they asked them, do you want to keep the rear? That's crazy. I mean, I would, I guess if I had a surgery like, well, I mean, it is because I mean, hey, you want your rear? Hey, why? Well, who else are going to give it to? Yeah, I guess. I guess they use it just throw stuff like that away. It's his rib. Yeah. The other thing that hit me was him talking, you know, when we had him on a few years ago, was right before he signed that contract, right? He signed a three-year deal, and he said after that, that that was going to be it. That was going to be his last contract. Here, when I heard there, maybe people interpret it differently, but it seemed to me like he kept the door open a little bit that perhaps, depending on what happens this year, next year, both on the field, and then the lockout stuff, that maybe he would pitch past 2027. Yeah, because, to be honest, he didn't say this, but it feels like, you know, there might not be baseball.

25:28So you're losing a year. You're going to get this year, and then it's a strong possibility that we're not going to have in next year, and, you know, you don't want to leave it like that. So, yeah, he's probably thinking about whether or not he'll come back if baseball comes back. Well, that caught me, too, and, you know, we've asked everyone's to be down here about the impending lockout. Huge, huge thing. Oh, it's sound like he's coming. Well, he didn't hesitate. He thinks there's going to be a work stoppage, and I was struck by him talking about the guys that came before them that they fought to not have a salary cap. It feels like this generation of players doesn't want to be the one that buckles. He said other unions, other sports, they have caved, and these guys don't want a cave. Yeah, I mean, man, when you talk about where baseball is trending, the money that they've made over, they tried this a few years ago, when they tried to slow-play free agency, when guys were starting to get the big bread, and then all of a sudden, I think, because at that point, it was like, I can't remember the year exactly it was, but there were a lot of guys that signed late. There was a lot of free ages that signed late before the season started, because they were trying to take a hard stance on this.

26:29Yeah, but before you know it, there's going to be a billion dollar baseball player. I think that's what the owners are trying to stay away from, but it's going to happen, because it sounds like the players are going to stand firm as far as they're not taking a salary cap. They're not doing the salary cap thing. Congratulations, Hugh. On your phone, Stan, so I don't do that interview. Wow! Oh yeah, I figured that out, yeah. Now, can you make it through a team act interview, which 12, can you make it through JT at one? It's probably not. Okay, let's not set that positive on. I've been trying to learn how to, uh, turn it down. What? I figured how to turn your phone down. It's your, uh, it's the watch. Uh, it's not the phone is the watch. But it's yours. That feels like something. You figured out, you figure out. All right, 2-1-5. Five, nine, two, 90, 49-4. On the other side, we'll get back to your phone calls. AJ Brown, are you ready to say goodbye? Let's just, let's do it. There you go. See, I was trying to turn it down. You could have waited for the break, which we're... Well, I'm working on it. 2, 1, 5, 5, 9, 2, 9, 4, 9, 4. Are you ready to say goodbye to AJ Brand? Your reaction to the Zach Wheel interview also want to hit one other thing from that.

27:31He talked about the starting rotation and how great they were last year. Is it still great? We'll talk about that coming up. We are live at Philly Spring Training. We're trying to coverage brought to you by Surfside ISD Advocate, Proud Partner of the Philadelphia Police coming up all that. And clue number two for Hughes Clues, a disaster of the first time. So we'll try to help you out coming up next. Midday Show. Live from Clearwater on Sports Radio 94WIP. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. What if comparing car insurance rates was as easy as putting on your favorite podcast? With Progressive, it is. Just visit the Progressive website to quote with all the coverages you want. You'll see Progressive's direct rate, then their tool will provide options from other companies so you can compare. All you need to do is choose the rate and coverage you like. Quote today at Progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust Progressive.

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