Your Phone Is Stealing Your Family (Here's the Fix)

0:00Oh hang on a second. Are we on? Oh, excuse me. You gotta have a text here real quick. No, hang on. No, no. Hang on, this is the generations broadcast. Friends, welcome. Kevin Swanson with you. We're a little diverted there with our phones for a moment. But welcome to the program. Another segment of Disciples for Dad is a Todd Strosser, Danny Craig, and yours truly Kevin Swanson. Can we just put our phones away for now? The program today is just one set. Yeah, exactly. How have you and your wife handled phone usage in your home? Helm, my teen is always on their phone and so am I. Yeah. So that's the subject of today's broadcast. So we're just going to set the phone aside for just a little bit. I don't know. It's one more thing, one more thing, right? Wow. What's the issue with the phone? You've seen families on phones. It's interrupting relationship.

1:00It's interrupting priorities. We're going to talk about how to handle the iPhone. How to handle your smartphone? Amen. See, I did keep picking it up. What's wrong with it? Throw it over there. Throw it over there. Get rid of it. What's the deal? It's interesting, right? It has to be in your hand at all times. You notice that? It's a hand warmer. Todd? I mean, it's, it's, it's, you say it's two things. I did. It's your work, but also has to do with other forms of evolution. Yeah. It can be, it is a tool. Yeah. It is a tool. So we do things with it. We can communicate. We can actually do business on it. You can do all kinds of things. But it's this device that's also a distraction escape, a distraction for entertainment, for it's sort of a form of recreation for some people. So the, the hard part about this is it can have some good utility. But wow, that can take over. And of course, it can be very negative. Well, I think initially we have to seriously deal with the question of diversion. And diversion is to be diverted from the thing you're supposed to be doing.

2:04And an escape ism. There's a escape ism and diversion ism. And both of these are significant issues. They take us away from that, which is important to that, which is of little importance. And the first reason we're running away from something, we're being diverted from something. And it's God and other people. But first God, modern man is running away from God. So he's in the business of diversions. That's very important, very, you know, overwhelmingly omnipresent in the current situation. Escaping reality escapes God's reality because the most important part of reality is God himself. God is the source of all reality. He's the most real thing, so to speak. And he has created all of this for his own glory. So that's the first thing is we're diverted by busyness and diversion. And we have to ask ourselves, why am I running away from God?

3:05And why am I running away from other people? Now the second thing that occurs to me is that sometimes we're just not thinking. Right. You know, I just, I don't know, I just picked up the phone. I don't know why I did it. I'm just not even thinking about it. I guess it's a habitual thing. Some of us were acted upon by outside forces like that. And there's just something came up on your computer and like, what was that? You know, we're acted upon by those outside forces. And just letting the world take us wherever it wants to take us. I think we haven't thought about it. We're not prioritizing our day. We're not being intentional. You hear the word intentionality. And then the third reason is I think sometimes we think it's more efficient. This is more efficient. A more efficient way to do relationship. A more efficient way to interact with people. But you know what? It's not always that efficient. Like yesterday, my wife was going back and forth with her sister texting. I said, why don't you just call her? Yeah. You know, sometimes it's better to just call her going back and forth for 30 minutes or

4:05a three minute conversation could have gotten us to the resolution much quicker. So, so I think we have to be thinking about it. We have to be thoughtful, intentional in the use of this device. As you said, it's just a tool. It's a tool. It can't be a tool. It can't be a tool. Yeah. Kevin, I was thinking of this passage in 2 Timothy 3. But know this, that in the last day, perilous times will come. Remember, we love us of themselves. And then the list goes on. Lovers of money boasters, proud blasphemers. And then the verse four of the chapter, headstrong, hotty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. And if I were to just put on, you know, put a biblical word on or a term or phrase on my sin as it comes to my phone, it would be loving the pleasure of something to do with a dopamine hit on social media or a news flash or even the pleasure of just getting one more thing done. And what ties back to is some love of pleasure other than loving God and loving the people

5:11that God wants me to love. So what you're saying is you're getting actually some pleasure out of this. And this pleasure displaces the pleasure we should take in being with God with this people. Yes, I think that's it. I don't think people, you know, are self-consciously necessarily thinking I'm running from God. But that's what they're doing by virtue of a love of pleasure. Because that's what I'm doing by virtue of a love of pleasure. Because of a preference for a certain form of pleasure. Exactly. Oh, for God. Okay. So I'm going to throw a Bible verses, as long as we're using scripture for a moment. And I want to throw these out to you, brothers. And I want you to think about this in relation to social media or in relation to just our priorities that we set for our lives. Second Thessalonians 3, 11 and 12 for we hear pulses. There are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner not working at all, but our busy bodies. Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ, they work in quietness and eat their own bread. First time of the 513, speaking of certain women besides they learn to be idle, wandering

6:13about from house to house. Not only idle, but also gossip and busy body saying things which they ought not. And then first Peter 415, but none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evil doer, or a busy body and other people's matters. Thankfully social media doesn't deal with other people's matters very much. Or maybe it does. Trying to keep up with 500 people's other people's matters is a full time job by the way. First Thessalonians 4, 11 and 12 that you also aspire to lead a quiet life to mind your own business, to work with your own hands as we commanded you that you may walk properly towards those who are outside and that you may lack nothing. What is this lifestyle that the apostles are recommending for? It's interesting it shows up in multiple passages. You know, actually the pistols are rather short, like two pages, right? Almost every epistle gets to something like this. What is the lifestyle that the apostles recommending taught as a red those verses? What stuck with you? Well, remember ultimately like Paul says in Philippians 3, we're to no Christ.

7:18It's Clotch 3 to set our mind upon things above. There's a God-wordness about us. So there's, in some of these, what you're talking about, some of these things were distracted from that God-wordness towards that which is, yeah, the busy, the gossip, the interest or the story that's of interest that we can run to. So it's taken away us from God. But the other thing is it can be very damaging relationally because it's affecting that who God would have us to be in front of at that moment. The other thing that comes to my mind, Kevin, as we're talking about scripture passages, is this Psalm 1 vision. That's what comes to my mind. This is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly. Nor stands in the path of sinners, sits in the seat of the scornful, but his delight is in the law of the Lord. And in his law, he meditates day and night. He should be like a tree planted by the rivers of water. And there's this sense that the lie I'm tempted with in that moment of grabbing my phone is this is going to make me happy.

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11:27connected in relationship with God, with the Lord Jesus or with others relationally. But it does seem that the priorities are to be productive. And I think to ask yourself, what's the degree of productivity I'm getting out of this? I have to ask my that, self that from time to time. I serve the Lord and if, you know, 80% of my time has been wasted on this or that. I actually have this conscious moment from time to time where I'm looking at a new story or something like that. And then I back off for a moment and say, now, how useful was that? Right. Right. And then I work for Jesus here. Is this really the kind of thing he would have me to do? It's a little bit of, you know, God's question of Elijah. What are you doing here, Elijah? I get that question about time to time. What are you doing here? You know, why are you opening up this website and spending so much time on this Fox news story? So it makes sense. You're talking about stewardship. Yeah. It's a stewardship issue.

12:28This is what I've been convicted by because I have failed at this many, many times. But that's, you're talking about stewardship of very valuable thing that God's, I mean, all the dads probably listening to this, we have a limited time, right? We do children. I mean, most guys are going to work. You might have a couple hours in the evening with your children. And there, and this is what I've been convicted by. There we are. We're sitting with our children. God's put us in that relationship. Maybe we're at home and we're going to get on this phone. We're going to, we're basically going to disappear and go into this other world, whether it be work or entertainment, whatever. And we're going to disappear. And this is where, this is what I've been really convicted about. And I think of it as providential proximity. Okay. So, so there I am. God's put me in front of my family and I'm, and providentially, and I know I'm supposed to do something with it. I'm supposed to love this family. I'm supposed to, you know, serve this interactively. And I'm saying, no, God, I don't want to, I want to go, I want this. I want to, maybe it's a work thing. It could be whatever. I'm going to take myself out of there. I mean, it's kind of like God providentially, you know, had Philip walking down, you

13:32know, the road and all of a sudden he runs into Ethiopia, Opian Unic. And you know, if he's like, on the way there, oh, I got a text. Yeah. Did that ever happen? That's my emails. Yeah. Right. I mean, so we have to remember that God's providentially putting us in proximity with these situations. Good. And we don't want to just destroy that by all these, that, well, it's what the phone can do. Here's a real life example of this. I was walking, and I'm going to apply this spiritually to myself. But I was walking down the road yesterday. And someone was riding their bike on their phone. Oh, and I kid you not. They would have run over me had I not turned around because they weren't looking. They were on their phone, writing. That's actually scary. Yeah. It was a little scary. But you're talking about is how often do I do that spiritually? Right. I actually run over my wife and kids. I miss the moment of need. I failed to be there because I'm on my phone. Why do we do this? Why do we do this? Are we purposefully diverting ourselves from the things that matter?

14:35Are we somehow not able to prioritize our lives and to identify the things that are important? Does that just get lost in the modern age? And here's something you mentioned off air. And that is the tyranny of the urgent. And I think the problem with email, the problem with me on the computer is that I get these texts and these messages. And pretty much everything turns out to be urgent, disrupting any sense of prioritization for me. So it's the interruptions. It's the constant interruptions, the beeps, the messages flashing on the screen that do distract and somehow disable the modern mind from keeping prioritizations in mind. Does that make sense? Well, yeah, I think there is a bit of a drug effect going on with these things. First Peter one, therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober and rest your hope

15:40fully on the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. For me, it's a sobriety issue. I'm not intentional and focused about what the Lord would have me to be about, which is upon the hope in him. There's this thing that can pull us away from that so easily. Yeah. I want to get to how we handle it within our homes. But let's talk about the couple going out for the date and boy, they've got their phones. And you see this. Thankfully for me, I lose my phone quite often. I want a nice prompt. The best blessings of my life, so I won't even know where it is for six hours at a time. But there are times at which my wife and I will be on the phone checking something out. We may have a conversation and then we'll say, oh, yeah, but what about this or what's the weather tomorrow? Well, let me check for a moment. But then that goes. You know, where that goes. I'm not sure. Maybe you can help me with this, brothers.

16:40I'm not sure I'm the greatest conversationalist with my wife. And I think that's a part weakness in my part. I can, my mind can go blank sometimes. I think part of the reason is my mind has been so consumed with everything else throughout the day. It's like the old thing about, you know, the husband, the man uses up his 6,000 words in any given day. Oh, yeah. And then he comes home. She's got 10,000 left and I've already used up my 6,000. How do you handle that, Danny? Well, it's a matter of love. The spirit can give us more words, right? So I may have used up my 6,000, but by God's grace, I can come up with a few more. And so one of the things that was a struggle early on in our marriage, this is just my application of this, is that my wife usually had about 17 things on her list from the day that she needed to talk to me about. And my mind was fried and I did not want to make 17 more decisions.

17:43So for us, one way I've discovered that I can love my wife is just beating her to her list and getting that space and say, honey, did you have anything that you needed to talk to me about? So that's one way that I do it. So opening it up, opening it up, to bring her in, to help address the things that are on her mind. And probably the flip side of that in terms of what we struggle with is going too much to the projects. And that itself can be another diversion from the relational. So seeking to ask my wife questions very simply, how are you doing? And that often opens up a much deeper conversation. Todd, how's it go with you with your wife? How do you maintain the conversation and get it in the edifying direction? Really equipping edify in that conversation? Well, yeah, I think we need to clear distractions. And again, this is something I'm continually growing in. And kind of I'm trying to look for practical ways about how to lose it in my phone would

18:47be a good one. I leave the phone in the car. Yeah, leave the phone in the car when you go out to dinner. I started at home, I leave my phone in the office and then, you know, because it kind of worked from home, if you leave your phone in the office, then you're not tempted to just pull it out and have it in your hand all the time. You can do things like that. But I think we as men who have been redeemed by the Lord have to realize, there's this soul in front of me. There's this, these people are in front of me. And so at the very like depth of our heart, what is important to us? What is our priority? Are we able to just turn that off and ignore that? And that's the danger that we really have to watch. We have to watch out for which is why I mentioned sobriety. Am I in the game thinking about that every day? Or am I letting myself sort of be turned off? Because I do believe the answer to this question is not to just take this away. But to be sure that we're replacing the negative with the positive, you had something on

19:49culture, family culture, that you have to bring in a healthy family culture. I think what I was saying was that the phone itself, in some cases, may be creating distance in relationships. But in some cases, it may just be filling a vacuum that is already there. And so if I'm struggling with the phone, if our family is struggling with the phone, if it is that scenario of everyone around the dinner table with their phones, or if after dinners over, it's everyone to their rooms with their phones, then maybe we should ask ourselves, what does this say about the state of our relationships? Is there a vacuum? And are we filling that vacuum with our phones? And what should we be filling it with instead? I think of things like for one family worship, that would be a really important start in an evening. But beyond that, going on a walk, enjoying conversation together, kicking the soccer ball around in the backyard, you mentioned the idea of having cards at the dinner table

20:53that are conversation cards. I like that idea. We've been given some of those date night cards. And you can just pull out a card if you're a little stuck and you don't know how to sort of mix it up a little bit in your relational conversation that can be a helpful tool. The other thing though that I was thinking about Kevin as you guys were talking is that for me, I have these big rocks in my life, these things that I do. My morning Bible time, I've got stuff with the family, I've got work, we've got family worship. But oftentimes where I slip up is sort of the cracks between the big things in my life. And that's those empty moments that I'm convicted that I need to redeem. Those are those, it's one minute in the rest of the room, it's one minute between family worship and putting the kids down. I gravitate to filling that moment with my phone. And I need to stop that. I need to fill it with meditation upon God's word, a communion with the Lord in prayer.

21:59Last year I was trying to memorize scripture and I was convicted. Dan, if you want to reach your goal of memorizing Ephesians this year, before you look at a new story in the day, you need to spend five minutes in scripture memory. And that helped me. So that, but I got to get, I got to get back to that. What am I doing with those notes? You have to gravitate back to what you enjoy, but the things you enjoy should be the good things. The things that are nurturing and nourishing. I find that sitting down the piano and singing, you know, playing the piano and singing can be a good filler. I think you have to think of the fillers, memorizing scripture, sitting down the piano and singing at him prayer, obviously. And I think also some kind of edifying, encouraging, affirming conversation with your wife or with a child, it only takes 30 seconds. And you could fill that crack with a 30 second moment. Yes.

22:59So powerful. That's important. Encourage that child for the next 24 hours. That makes sense. That's important. I mean, leverage that 30 seconds that we're saying. This is an important point because I think we used to have challenges. And maybe we still do with, you know, I remember, you know, in the 90s and maybe in the 2000, the challenge for dads was always dads down at the shop, working on his hobby car. And so he's just sort of gone or he's at the golf game on Saturday morning. So he's just gone. The sophisticated and challenging things about phones, you can be there, but be gone at kind of at the same time. Which is always can be irritating, by the way, for your wife. Very irritating, but it's so readily. It's like always on. It's always available. It's not like everything, you know, the golf thing. It's like, well, I got to get the tea time and it's going to be Saturday morning. And then it's like, no, it's like 24 hours a day. You can just instantly be occupied, gone, taken away. So how do you resolve that? I guess just discipline. It's going to take me. It's going to take itself to support. Absolutely. Yeah. It may be one of the biggest challenges for men in self discipline that they, that they

24:02focus. I mean, traditionally think about, you know, be diligent at your work, avoid lust. And those things take discipline, but this may be the biggest one. This subject to self discipline reminds me of Proverbs 25, 28, whoever has no rule over his own spirit is like a city broken down without walls. Yes. And what comes to my mind is, either for myself or for my children, when we lack discipline in this area, we're letting the enemy just come right in. And the further I get down this path of fatherhood, the more I think, oh, God, I can't do that. I cannot afford to have my walls broken down. I can't afford to enter into the battlefield in my pajamas. At the flip side of this, the encouraging piece is Galatians 5, which reminds us that self control is one of, is the fruit of the spirit. And so by God's grace, this is the fruit of what Jesus came to give us and that is self control, even in the use of our phones.

25:04And pray for that. Pray for that gift of the spirit. Just, you know, guys are going, well, I don't have that. What I do. Start by prayer. Pray for it. Really appeal to God that you need your Holy Spirit to come and bring this amazing and important fruit of the spirit into our lives. Yeah. Can I just throw out one thing is this, because I've heard this too, is Fomo, you know, fear of missing out. What is that? Well, you're, you're, the fear of missing out. It's like, I need to be, I need to see the social media feed that's going on. I need to be up to date on everything that's going on. And I would just encourage us, dads, like the Fomo is, is, yeah, that's a real thing. But you're missing out on the relationships. You're missing out on the family. It is a little bit binary. If you're on this, it's very hard to, people, we all think, oh, I can multitask. I'm talking to you, but I'm going to be looking at my phone at the same time. It doesn't, it doesn't really work like that. Yeah. People know that you're not paying attention. Right. You're talking to the hand. Right. Um, well, let's talk about kids and phones.

26:05Yeah. We talk about ourselves in, this, but 28 minutes of, yeah, we, we need to be self-disciplined ourselves because Moore's caught them taught. But wisdom has to win and how to give you children a phone and how they handle that. And Todd, you've got a 13 year old, 15 year old. You're just in this range at this point. We've gone through this with six children now. Yeah. How do you handle it? Like you need to assess the need would be a good starting point. Yeah. Do they need it? Is this even necessary? I mean, I don't know. I mean, we grew up and there was no cell phones at all. We somehow survived. There was land lines and that was what you got, you know? I mean, right? So I mean, is there a need? It's probably hard to argue for it. Maybe there is. I mean, somehow we're still here. And then the second thing I think you look at maturity of the child so important, you know, some children are going to be in different places and are going to handle this well. I think one thing that's been helpful is although we have these smartphones, I think you

27:08can lock them down and make them dumb phones. That's typically what we do. And then ease into responsibility as they grow up in age with, you know, what makes sense. Like, obviously, the first need is usually to be able to communicate in emergency, right? Can I call 911 or call mom and dad if I'm alone and I'm in a situation, even if I'm young? I can't go from there. And I actually think this is something I look back and maybe could have done better is as you open up the phone, is it worth to the neck, you know, other cape is help the train them well and how to do this well instead of just like, well, now you can, you know, you can call whoever you want. Well, let's talk about that. Let's walk through how you do that well as a righteous man of God, as a righteous woman of God and in the stewardship aspect of your time. So that's what I'd like to do, you know, for the rest of my children is think through, how do I really help them have healthy habits? Do you, from the outset, maintain good transparency with that of being awkward? In other words, we as mom and dad fully expect to be able to grab your phone at any time

28:13and take a look at your history. I mean, is that the way you do it? I think we're covered in all of that. We did that is we all are like, you know, you can open a lot of these phones with your face. We're like all on the face of every phone. Oh, you are. You can do that. Or we are all the same code too. You shouldn't let that right. Right. Right. Yeah, but that does, but that's, I think that's an important point is like we shouldn't have these sort of sectors of our life that are all secret. Right. It's like that can't happen. Our attitude should be, well, I have nothing to hide. Yeah. Do any of the thoughts on kids and phones? Yeah. Well, we're obviously on the early stage of this with our oldest being nine. However, I was still in my teens when the iPhone came out. I think I was about 18 or 18 when the iPhone came out in 2007. By the way, 20 year anniversary coming up next year. And I am thankful for a few things in terms of how my parents handled this. Number one, there was a lot of habit formation and appetite formation that happened early

29:19on just around screens in general. So I think that's really important. Like the question of the phone is somewhat more the question of the screen because I think that a lot of young kids don't view the phone as a tool. They view it as an entertainment source. And so I think maybe if you're going to get a good trajectory going with your kids, their perspective of screens and habits around screens probably is where we might need to start. And so the point being there, when I got my first smartphone, I think it was in my 20s, I did view it very much as a tool. And I think that's probably one important thing. That's a good point. That if your kids think of the phone as a privilege or as a reward or as some kind of form of entertainment, I think that's really risky. I would personally recommend that you only give your kids a phone as a tool. And much more than that is super.

30:20And you're saying even with other screen type things, are they introduced to the screen as a entertainment source? And often that's the case because like, okay, I don't know what age people give their children phones, but let's say you give it to a 15 year old, a 13 year old. They're not going to work on it. There's very little time, right? They're going to, it's going to be for fun. It's going to be for fun. So that's their whole mindset around it. It's a great point. They know the danger of it. I mean, there's every red light district accessible, totally click, click, click, click, and you're there. Obviously, it's filtering and things like that. Hopefully parents are doing all of that. But still the, the, the potential of evil, the potential of danger and the potential of absolute destruction for your child is right there in that, in that little electronic device. So ever be ever so careful with that. The other thing we did with entertainment is we had a rule and we have maintained this rule. I would say pretty consistently. And that is we watched things together. So yeah, we would put signs up when we had television sets.

31:20Remember that way back when you had television sets? We had these signs up going into the room where the television was. We watched things together as family. So you don't just watch things by yourself. So that means that you can't do this. There's no personal video watching. I would say there's exceptions occasionally on how to change out a gasket. You know, on a YouTube, you know, so there'll be occasionally I don't have to call the family together. Hey, I'm changing out a gasket. Here we got to watch this YouTube together. Well, maybe it'll be a teaching opportunity for the whole family, but, uh, but in terms of just any kind of entertainment, we're going to be watching this together and they're there by maintain accountability. Go ahead. Two other quick thoughts were, uh, what is my child's self control in the rest of their life? Yes. And you definitely don't want to fight the battle of self control over on this one. Oh, yeah. That's not where it is. That's not the battle line. No, that's not where you want to. That's not the battleground. Fight that in other areas. And then the other thing is I do think a healthy sense of family economy can really help

32:22with you to where there's a sense of productivity. And I hope that my child, my son needs a phone because he's got to manage a lawn mowing business. Right. She's got to run the scheduling. He's got to do the billing. And if he could do all of that from his phone, I would be, I would be all over that. Which is exactly what Paul said in second, those Thessalonians three and first Thessalonians four is really entering that Paul address us social media, you know, in the bottom. I mean, I'm shocked. What? He's interested in social media and family economy. Sure enough, exactly what you said. It's amazing how the word of God applies to these issues. So friends, uh, yeah, just actually it turns out God's word is sufficient. Amen. Be sure you receive this, this, this message and these priorities set by God's word. Remember, we're servants of the Lord Jesus Christ. We can't just go out and do whatever you want. I think ultimately identity matters. Who are you? You know, what are you? You Lord of your own life? No, no, no.

33:22We submit ourselves to, to the Lord and he gives us the things that we're to do. And he sets our priorities. They're there. You find them in scripture. So let's just, let's be the Mary first, not the Martha, but let's also be, be working with our hands, not the busy bodies, but those that are leading a quiet life, minding our own business and working with our hands, uh, that we may walk properly towards those who are outside and that we may lack nothing and certainly have enough to share, uh, with those who do not have things to, to, to, to live and, and to prosper with. All right. Well, we're done with this addition of the program. Uh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We've got your pocket for it. Okay. And I'm about ready to pick it up, but no, no. Don't pick up the phone right now. Uh, friends, you've been listening to the generation's broadcast. If you'd like to add to the program or you have other aspects of this, we need to talk about, uh, please put it on the table by mailing us at mail at generations.org. This Kevin Swanson, Todd Strauss, or Danny Craig inviting you back again next time, as

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