Your Diagnosis Isn't The Root Cause | Dr. Will Cole

0:00Mental health is physical health. Our brain and nervous systems are part of our body just as much as anything else So we have to have a both and not either or approach to health in my opinion When you're talking about autoimmune problems hormonal problems mental health issues any inflammatory problem How does the physical impact-dimensional emotional spiritual then how does the mental emotional spiritual impact the physical almost every person has Some level of anxiety depression brain fogger fatigue some sort of nervous system dysregulation Whether they see it or not some a lot of people do list it on their things of things that they know is there But yeah, it's part of the conversation in almost every single person Your brain is wired for deception, but here's the truth patterns can be broken the code can be written Once you hear the truth you can't go back so the only question is are you ready to listen? Hey Hey everybody. I'm here with doctor Will cool and as you can see I'm not in my typical studio. I am outside of Pittsburgh at his gorgeous studio. I guess what are you calling not a studio?

1:07It's a studio. Where is your studio room? It's a our telehouse center It's beautiful and as any of you that do follow his show You have a very clean aesthetic whenever you're Instagram pose I'm like you big fan of people who puts meffored into their aesthetic and what I will tell you if you follow his show or follow him on Instagram This space feels like his aesthetic. Thank you. That's the moment you walk in the door. It's very nice I have to you know, I want it to be as supportive of the parasympathetic as we can I felt an immediate sigh of relief when I want Thank you so much. Thank you for that. Well done Traveling like I do. It's not always parasympathetic when you get there And I feel like it did make for a much better interview than I have at times So if you're watching this one It's going to be jointly released with an episode that I'm doing on doctor Will cool show the art of being well This episode is something that is very unlike any other show that I've done on decoded Which I'm really excited about because we do tend to get not that mental health was a rut but we

2:10We stay in mental health very specifically. Yeah, which I think is great That's the core theme of the show But what I want to get into today on a deeper level is by the end of the episode Leaving the audience with an understanding of how to discern Whether the etiology of a mental health symptom is coming from a cellular issue versus a A thought or behavioral issue and I get the sense from looking through all of your work and understanding the book that you have coming out on September 8th called Heal your cells that I believe you have coming out with doctor Josh Axx This is fifth book you guys so it's gonna be great. Yeah, I feel like every time I've written a book it gets better every time So I'm excited about it. Thank you, and I never co-wrote it with somebody so I had to it was a fun It was a lot of fun writing it and it's been a labor of love. How what was your co-writing process? But you don't mind? Yeah, no, it was because normally I see telehealth patients during the week So typically it'd be a done on the weekends and

3:10It wasn't the best advice for books in like I just kind of got burnt out a bit And I love it so much, but you don't it kind of creeps in on like okay. I still need to pause even though I love it um So I was nice to have a standing Writing session with Josh dr. Axx every week is how we did it Working on a chapter at a time and we come back and forth and kind of we were on the but we think a lot of like On things so it was really nice and we kind of brought our own take on certain things Which I'll we'll get into today I'm sure that if that even the mental emotional spiritual stuff that you it's an intersection with your work It's very much intimate to our work with our telehealth patients too of Dealing with these subconscious things and how it manifests in someone's physiology So I got to put it on the book So it was standing meeting really is what it was. It was standing meeting where we just got to write and Put all our thoughts together. I love that Need to consider doing that on my next one that sounds more fun. Yeah, it was During that your computer for hours exactly. It was structured. It was like it was we had patients in between so it was a

4:14finite Versus this love all weekend long and never ending unstructured. It just I could go back and do that again But I actually like this a bit better. Well, I know we're gonna be sharing a ton about it when this episode comes out This is gonna come out. I believe the day before the up or your actual book goes out so amazing Everyone do you make sure to go get that book on any provider that you go to leave this guy a five star review Even before I get into this podcast episode. I know it's gonna be great I want to start off. I have a friend who is a molecular biologist and a toxicologist and I had her on my podcast a different podcast That I used to do years ago and she brought up Something that she had found in her research where she noticed that around the 50s. I believe it was like mid 50s There was a clear shift away from studying the cell and thinking of Understanding and cracking the code on the cells actually being The invaders to get us to change and heal and suddenly everything got shifted away from the cell and toward a conversation about

5:22Genetics or things that feel kind of more external or or external factors Do you know about this? Have you is this something that you're aware of this sort of trend shift? And what do you think it is attributed to? Yeah, it sounds pretty important It is yeah, I mean, there's probably a confluence of different variables, but I think it's Down to a few things one. It's mainstream medicines Hyperfocus on systems right? It's a you if you have a stomach issue go to a gastroenterologist if you're rheumatologist fraught immune issues neurologist for brain issues so it's the sort of reductive thinking this compartmentalized thinking of Specialists and not really concerned with root causes The training is largely to diagnose the disease and match it with the corresponding pharmaceutical drug And it's the sort of medicinal matching game. I think that's probably a significant reason for that So why would they look at root causes whether it be cellular or somatic or spiritual?

6:25They're really not concerned with these upstream root cause issues. I think that's the significant part of it It's it's the way that mainstream medicine is set up. It's largely this sort of pharmaceutical Management of chronic disease is it's the sick care system that we we know of today um And they're just scratching the surface. I mean they're they're running the basic labs that they need To give the appropriate pharmaceutical drug when you're talking about managing these chronic health problems and and then of course from a diagnosis standpoint fitting you into this box giving you that diagnosis code Giving you that appropriate medication then obviously ruling out the emergency stuff the things that needs surgery look the United States ranks pretty well Year at a year when it comes to ER emergency trauma care, right? But when it comes to health span longevity people living long healthy lives We're last or second to last every single year and this is by the you know jama's

7:25Journal of medical medical associations own standards conventional standards the United States really ranks last when it comes to people thriving um, and we're not concerned with the cellular the root cause We're not we're concerned with the larger diagnosis codes and pharmaceuticals What made you focus in on the cell for this particular book in the scope of all Wellness longevity medicine. What is what was the deciding factor on going after the cell specifically the amount of exciting research in the scientific literature No, it's not trickled down to the PCP or a specialist, but there's a lot of exciting research looking at cellular pathways of how to Re-shape how the cell is functioning to take it back to a healthy state um, and doctor acts that I wanted to explore What's the science saying when it comes to cellular longevity? How do you upregulate things like a topology the cellular recycling pathways How do you upregulate my topogy the renewal of the mitochondria these are the hallmarks of aging

8:30This is what people are being seen in their PCP their rheumatologist their gastroenterologist their having chronic degenerative health issues That are all cellular problems They are all dysfunctions of the cell So really exploring the communication theory of aging and you can even open up even more the communication It's theory of cellular function for you to thrive and fill your best even if you know if long jeopardy is not Of interest to be it should be interested because we're not talking about living Long life if you're in your 20s you may not think about longevity It's not just about adding years to your life. It's about adding life to your years Like how can you thrive in here and now not just some promise for the future Which I think a lot of long-debit the conversations Don't die squad the don't die squad which of that floats your boat like I'm not shaming them That's that they're in and they're they have a deep fear of dying I think that's not actually what I'm talking about I'm thinking how what's your quality of life in the here and now

9:31And I see so many people kept back from living and thriving the in living the life that got created them to live because they have Have fatigue their fatigue their inflamed their dysregulated their uncomfortable on their own skin Why are they feeling like that? It's a cellular dysfunction And we can understand it's one of the studies that we talk about at length in the book is the Stanford study in 2023 That found that one in five people it equates to about 25 million Americans have one organ aging more rapidly than other organs So and they what they found in this study and they don't follow up study just this past summer That found not only just this unorgan this uneven aging of organs But different types of cells within the same organ can be aging a different right so this sort of uneven Repidity of aging what they found was what the organ that was aging more rapidly was at a significant increased risk of Acronic health problem of that organ so the brain if the brain and the nervous system was aging more rapidly They were but an 80% increased risk of some neuro inflammatory neurodegenerative problem if their heart was aging faster

10:37It was over 200% increased risk of a heart attack or stroke. So it is common not normal And just so many people settle for it, but what we can do is actually To take those cells to activate these longevity pathways that are there all the time these Autophagy and my topogy pathways these activating the stem cells of the body Increasing what are called sirtoins these guardian angels of the genome we can tap into them but because of this mismatch between Genetics and epigenetics which we talked about on our pod our genetics haven't changed in thousands of years But our world has changed dramatically in such a finite period of time So looking at that interplay between genetics and epigenetics is the chasm between this mismatch between our world our DNA in the world around us Is at the heart of what I do And it's impacting ourselves on a on a micro level our cells have lost recognition of self in some way they are not communicating properly to each other

11:40they are Confused in many many ways and as above so below as the hermetic phrase goes I mean a lot of people feel that way in their life their confuse or dysregulated They're they have unhealthy relationships Their their lives out of control Okay, that's happening in their life, but on a cellular level that's actually also what's happening There's a lot of cellular dysregulation and cellular miscommunication that's happening But you can actually fix that heal that Working with clients as often as I have I've found that often people don't realize How bad they actually feel because people It becomes their normal right they don't realize how dysfunctional their system may be because they're like oh just how much is how I am is not my family Is that we do things? How do you help clients bridge that gap between kind of what they have succumbed to and just Decided was normal versus

12:41Maybe highlighting the pathway for them of what's possible because I think a lot of times clients don't realize What is possible and how do you bridge that gap for it? It's typically I'm thinking on the clinical level right. I mean because there's different ways that why I obviously interact with people like people can have aha aha moments in books or podcast episodes and hear a bit about themselves in conversations or reading about something right That's not what I'm most used to I'm most used to the because you don't hear about this so much right here glimpses and comments sections and social media but It's really the how I do it on a clinical level is conversations really and it the phrase is now like made fun of but I It's like holding space for someone On a energetic level. It's not woo woo actually. It's just human to human like like let's get to the root of this Past sort of the facade of what you're going through because there's you're absolutely right on a health symptoms standpoint There's so many people where they'll put the issues or maybe like okay listen this and that may be an issue

13:45Obviously it is but there's actually so much more going on that they don't even see and it really that's the why I call my podcast the art of being well It's the intersection of the science science is a art but the the bidirectional relationship of yes the the metrics matter the data matters the randomized control trial matters the labs matter I love all that stuff. It's part big part of my job But what's the space in between the words? What's like the human kind of get pulling that stuff out of it? And that's how we kind of people have these aha moments of oh wow. I thought that was Just because it was my everyday I normalized it or it's just so subconscious that they don't even Recognize it as an issue or they mistake it for their personality or immutable and adjust how they are But you really realize if it can be reversed if it can be Balanced if it if it can be calmed and regulated. It's not a personality trait. It's not your it's not nor it's not Normal. It's just common

14:48How often are you seeing clients in their symptom matrix also presenting mental health related symptoms that they're trying to work on? Almost every single person. I mean, and it's a big part of my work is educating people and this is such I mean we some patigo at this. I mean in the west will separate mental health from physical health But the reality is it's one and the same. I mean your followers and listeners one of this mental health is physical health Our brain and nervous systems a part of our body just as much as anything else So we have to have a both and not either or approach to health in my opinion Um when you're talking about autoimmune problems hormonal problems mental health issues Any inflammatory problem. How does the physical? Impact the mental emotional spiritual then how does the mental emotional spiritual impact the physical that interplay is at the Heart of what I deal with but almost every person has some level of anxiety depression brain Geographer teaks some sort of nervous system dysregulation Whether they see it or not. It's some a lot of people do list it on their things of things that they know is there

15:50It may not be the top thing on their list. It's some people it certainly is But yeah, it's part of the conversation in almost every single person I've seen a bit of research come out recently on the correlation between intrusive thoughts and certain underlying Things that can be seen in labs Have you come across any of this and have you had clients that are struggling with intrusive thoughts and have you found Some lever to pull to help them go away. Yeah. Well, I would put it yes I think it's way more common than not But you don't know if it's an issue unless you talk about it. You don't know if it's an issue unless you're Actually aware of it, right? But yeah, it's it's so I would put it as one possibility Of someone struggling with some larger neuro immunoconaxis dysregulation It's that's the intersection between the nervous system The immune system i.e. inflammation, which is a product of the immune system in the endocrine system your hormones So you're going to find things there and for some people it's going to be intrusive thoughts that is keeping them in that ruminating cycle of dysregulation of thoughts

16:53And for some people it's not going to be that's not going to be the main thing for them. It's going to be The anxiety or it's going to be the depression or it's going to be something else So these are the type of things that I would want to see as These check engine lights Turning off as there's more regulation in the body We're certainly at a time in place where I think there's a bifurcation people either do Real medicine, which I think you and I would all agree it's not not the only type of real medicine Yeah, we're that hippie stuff I think you might fall in the that hippie stuff side of the fence although obviously everything you do is very much rooted in Medicine we're just talking about you know the approach of medicine Where do you how do we bridge this gap more how do we get ourselves to a place where There is less of a bifurcation and we're hopefully bridging those two worlds together What what does the other side need to adopt that you and doctor josh are trending toward right now

17:54Yeah, and people maybe drop learn to drop their guard a little bit more and be more open to that hippie stuff Yeah, it's so funny. I don't that's funny that you say it like that. I don't You're it depends on who you ask I guess it is right. I mean it depends on who you ask so to the hippies. I'm not happy enough Yeah, and some mainstream medicine. Maybe we are It's Functional medicine has always been I think This both and approach right what's the best of Western medicine which is Random it's studies right it's being as evidence-based as we came with the information we have at the time objective data Be what what is the most effective option that causes the least amount of side effects being evidence-based with that litmus test um It is it is diagnostics a big part of what I do is diagnostics which is a lot of these are conventional flabs, right So again back sort of like we're not doing muscle testing or sort of energy work I think all that has its place

18:55But it's not my space right. I'm very much in looking at blood tests and genetic testing and silly Biomarkers the stuff that's being explored in the scientific literature um But it's the what do we do with that data right? What do we do with that research in that journal? What do we do with that lab marker That is what's the most effective option that causes at least amount of side effects and for that That's where we kind of we have a lot of similarities with I would say this scientific world as it the mainstream orthodoxy of it We just look at the studies in the journals What what we where we converge with mainstream medicine is diagnostics But we're just looking at these root causes. How do we apply the science and the date in the lab data To do to look at these root causes that's being explored in the science as well But I think we're bridging that gap and dealing with why do we have this chronic health problem as a society Which is not a pharmaceutical deficiency? It is that there's actually these root causes

19:56So it is this physiological and psychological So someone's health history also is again what I think mainstream medicine can do well is a thorough health history Right and not a basic superficial one that can often be done But really getting to the root cause of being a sort of a clinical Sherlock Holmes of what's going on here And you're spending an hour hour and a half of somebody figuring out and that's again so similar to your work too of What's upstream to all of this of looking at things like underlying gut problems and Environmental toxins herbicides and pesticides and forever chemicals And also stress and trauma and these things from my childhood how both and Impact someone's inflammation levels or hormonal imbalances or whatever. So I Hopefully me just saying that can help people awaken that there is this field of Medicine and health care cult functional medicine mainstream institutions have functional medicine centers. I mean the Cleveland Clinic has a functional medicine center mainstream hospital systems have functional and integrated medicine

21:00Centers there are not spending millions and millions of dollars for functional medicine centers because of woo woo Because of quackery they're spending it because the data speaks for itself So I think people on the wrong side of history and they're indoctrinated to realize that it has to be this tribal war That's all in by design But actually the people the mainstream people that are that have diversity of thought that our independent thinkers enough Actually, it's not controversial at all to say functional medicine is really filling in the gap right We're trying to bring all this stuff together That is in the research of how to apply in somebody's life And it's exciting. It's exciting stuff. It's not controversial Getting people healthy shouldn't be controversial and if it is I check How far you fall in If you're happy pretty Pretty nefarious to be offended by that. This is positive

22:00How many people are maybe not offended by it, but they're afraid of What saying yes to it could mean. I feel like it's more rooted in cognitive dissidents If that's not what I know I'm gonna turn people away from it just because the unknown Uses fear because I think it's it's not always out of Offense. Yeah, no you're right. It's it's Sometimes it is someone's identity and they have these presuppositions of what anything that's not whatever that is I think more and more people are actually what I just said about sort of the I Being offended or tribal I find that happening less and less to the average person out there. I think because a few different reasons I think The internet's one. I think the democratization of information the decentralization of information has really Got people thinking because before there's so many gatekeepers to information right if it wasn't on the Whatever time of clock news at night or the five channels and there's no internet and like we talked about my

23:04Like just the library whatever your local library had in the dewey decimal system. There was the Neclofini of botanica Which there's so much information at your fingertips and it got a lot of Uh-huh moments I think for people to at least be it curious and open-minded enough But it does still challenge a lot of conventional information. That's like you know, it's like yeah I just I have this pill for this ill and that's it The the beautiful thing of the time that we're living in is that I just see that less and less I think more people are at least curious and open-minded enough to realize Uh that there is another way or it can be both and it doesn't have to be this sort of linear thinking What makes something functional medicine? Can you give the audience a good working definition? Yeah, actually So if I to boil it down what are the three main things first thing we interpret labs using a thinner Everybody knows when you they go to the PCP or get basic conventional labs any specialist

24:06There's this reference range is x to y interval We get that reference range from a statistical bell curve average of people who go to labs people that predominantly go to labs Or people that aren't in the healthiest state. That's why they're going to the labs So and it's all based on that paradigm that we were talking about earlier so it's It's very much if you're outside of that range you get that pharmaceutical drug or you're given that whatever that diagnosis You're given that surgery the procedure whatever Typically it's when you talk about chronic health problems. It's some sort of pharmaceutical But what if there's a person there's a lot of people that go to their doctor they know some things off But it's subclinical But they're symptomatic and they're told you're just depressed take the stent you depress into it and subclinical just means It's not falling in that specific range that they've set a Generate yet. Yeah, it's outside of that range yet So they're given these sort of ambiguous phrases right the diagnoses of depression which they don't run labs or that So you're just depressed you're just anxious take this medication which are big classes of pharmaceutical

25:10Flex the pro yes, or as a pan. Yeah, so there's a whole epidemic rise of of that right But what they're unintentionally being told is you're like a lot like the other people with health problems that we're comparing you to So in functional medicine we're looking at optimal not average where does Healthy long vibrant populations live and looking at where it is the body function the best It's where we get our name functional medicine So we're looking at the functional range which is that tighter interval of numbers within that larger reference range So we're looking at that because there's a spectrum between health and health problems by the times the body is diagnosed with the autoimmune problem or Metabolic problem or whatever chronic health problem you're talking about It's about four to ten years prior to the diagnosis that things are brewing on this inflammation spectrum this dysregulation spectrum That's the first thing we do differently and the second thing we run more comprehensive labs So the stuff that's being explored in the scientific literature, but it doesn't change The prescription of the pharmaceutical so it's a perfluous from the conventional medicine standpoint

26:13It why would they run it? It's extraneous because the end result still going to be that pharmaceutical drug So they just need the basic lipid panel to give this data drug They just need the the basic a1c to give the diabetic medication You know what I'm saying that basic blood pressure marker to give the Listeneprillable impression medication So they're not really asking the question why is the problem there in the first place? So but researchers are looking at that. I mean, it's very much explored in the scientific literature so to aggregate all of these root causes Like the foods that we eat or we're not eating looking at environmental toxins and how it impacts Function in the body looking at nutrient efficiencies looking at hormonal imbalances these things impact How somebody feels and they impact these basic labs in so many other labs so We are exploring that with with lab data But they're labs that don't change the pharmaceutical drugs But they understand why they want to put you on the pharmaceutical drugs And the third thing we rely we explore is this bio individuality concept is that even when you have the same diagnosis code

27:17By conventional medicine standards the reason the upstream mechanism of action may be different We're talking on my pod how even you find this so much sure I mean people could be labeled okay, you have this but what's driving it one person isn't driving it for the next person So for the thyroid for example It's a good example There is a lot of different reasons why in the conventional medicine standard They're going to run TSH the iridesimulating hormone and maybe a T4 because that's what they need to give you that Live with the rocks in the scintoriter something like it right some thyroid replacement hormone But what's actually going on there for a big percentage of people? It's an autoimmune in nature Hashimoto's disease, which you see a lot of as well So we have to run thyroid proxidates antibody and thyroid globular antibody If you're not running that you're not going to see you actually you have low thyroid hormones because the immune system is Attacking the thyroid hormones or it could be what's called an under conversion of the thyroid hormone 80% of the thyroid hormone is converted in the liver 20% is converted from T4 to T3 activating thyroid hormone in the gut

28:19So we have to look at liver health and gut health because the body doesn't happen in silos in a vacuum the body's interconnected So we have to look at that of that. Where's your T3 levels? There a lot of people have low of the active biologically active T3 levels we have to run total T3 and free T3 and make sure not just all of these markers are In the when we make sure that in the optimal range not just the lab reference range And then there's something called reverse T3 It's kind of the breaking system stress and trauma environmental toxins will cause an increase of this break analog Of the thyroid hormone called reverse T3 or T3 So it doesn't change pharmaceuticals But it does change us like we under our protocol recommendations So we have to get nuance we get have to get granular to understand what's going on here So 100 people could be diagnosed with hypothyroidism But what one person needs isn't what the next person needs so there's a lot There's so much interplay between what you're doing there. Yeah, right. I mean because the superficial's one thing right

29:20It's a starting point But then what's left what's the level below this what's the more root cause here And that's just the thyroid and the more important thing in here is that you are not if you have low thyroid function Or if you have something else you aren't just your diagnosis like you're there's a lot of interconnected Components to why you feel the way that you do why you think the way that you do Um and in a lot of unseen Um, and are a lot more complex than just take this pill see you later And I think often people Take on their diagnosis and the belief in the diagnosis only makes that system stronger because it's like Okay, I guess we're doing this yeah Yeah, and I on that note people want answers right and I get it to a certain point is like I Because you see this a lot in the autoimmune world where they're told it looks autoimmune or it looks like loop is or it looks like this And you could go to another specialist and they wouldn't agree maybe you're somewhere in the spectrum because there's three main Spectrum phases of the autoimmune inflammation spectrum. There's silent autoimmunity meaning if you ran labs

30:26They would you'd see markers, but the person feels fine autoimmune reactivity is his phase two Meaning you have labs you have symptoms be not check all the boxes And then phase three is the diagnosable autoimmune condition There's a lot of people that want that label they want to be labeled because then they can get they in their mind They're like then I can get answers then I can get this magic pill They don't even know they're not even thinking that far ahead they could they can at least have clarity and peace of mind that They're not crazy when they just want to know why but that's not actually the cause Right and the diagnosis is really just a description of their symptoms It's really yes. It's helpful. I'm not saying it's not helpful But it's not the solution actually. It's not it's maybe needed in some circumstances from a diagnostic standpoint Certainly from an insurance model. It's needed But actually from a thriving being healthy for most people in the autoimmune world they'll tell you like nothing really changed between When I before I was diagnosed to after was diagnosed I still was struggling with my health issues and like being labeled with things like chronic fatigue syndrome They already know they're chronically tired the question is why or low thyroid will okay, but why is it low in the first place

31:33These are questions that are rarely asked in that conventional model When I was 23 I told you on your podcast is when I got diagnosed with bluepis and The moment that the doctor told me that I would have to be on pharmaceuticals for the rest of my life Was actually a huge turning point in my life and I actually found it the time I left in Hawaii I found like one of the first functional medicine doctors ever back then his name was doctor Alan Thal I still haven't looked him up to see if he's still alive. He was like a had grateful dead stuff everywhere Living Harvey who I what yeah, well, I learned it was on the big island. He lived in Havi. He was great But I remember just going to him and just saying like I don't this isn't real right? I don't have to because I just I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to just give an immediate yes, and it I just someone on the island was like Oh, you should go see doctor doctor Thal I'm like all right. I'll try anything at this point. I felt awful and he immediately pulled all the levers she changed my diet I at that point I did chelation therapy I had like major heavy metal poisoning all kinds of things and he just completely turned my life around very quickly

32:36I went paleo in that year after I got through much more restrictive diet protocol and I actually have been paleo pretty much ever since and I've not had any more relapses of Lupus since then So I'm really grateful for that. So I've I've been a fan of functional medicine personally since I was 23 and I'm 41 now So amazing, but a while. Hey, you're OG. Yeah, OG and shout out to doctor Alan if you're still alive You were pretty old back then you're probably not although I mean you are a functional medicine doctor He's probably a mortal. They're like you'd up there and some hill and why so as you're talking about these different ranges I had a couple thoughts for whatever reason Usain bolts popped into my head and thinking about how We often don't know what's possible until somebody makes it possible So if we look at the fastest time to run a mile in 1990 significantly slower than what Usain Bolt did because we didn't believe that it was possible So using this sort of understanding What do we know about where do optimal ranges come from and do we do we know what's possible and how do we measure

33:43What's possible as people like you keep doing what you're doing with the human body? Yeah I look at look the spaces all human health and understanding of it I should say that better that our understanding of human health is ever evolving um But with the data we have with the best data we have in the metrics of understanding What's the longest living populations what are the people that live the longest? He's happiest lives That's where we want them to be so that is going to be a tighter range of where does Where where can disease and health problems not exist that's the goal for people But how we get there the tools in which we get there Is every evolving I mean this more when you look at what we're able to do today with I don't know what your thoughts are but I think tools like peptides like we didn't have access to We talk about peptides a lot on the show. I've got it totally changed my life. Okay So we utilize it clinically a lot as a great tool doesn't mean everybody should be on peptides It doesn't mean there's not precautions in some I'm not making a blanket statement there, but yeah So the tool in which we get someone optimal

34:45Is ever evolving but that's where I want to be I want to be like open-minded and we were talking about diversity I thought like what's the latest and greatest way to To move the needle so people can live the life that God created them to live and that doesn't I mean There's some just basic foundational stuff that are never gonna change. I mean just like food is one tool there We we can get granular on the specifics of what's the best clinical nutrition protocol for you based on where you're at at this point in your health journey um and Our understanding of compounds of nutrition compounds are always changing there's so much exciting nutrition science But there's just I mean eating nutrient-dense foods that love your body back. It's never gonna change So I don't know the answer to your question But there's some things that are just we know and it doesn't matter what time you live in It's always gonna be good for the human body, but the way we can get someone to optimal is ever changing But talk to be another 10 years the space has grown a lot in the last 16 years that have been in it And I think it's accelerating For better and for worse. It's accelerating it rapid rate rates now

35:48What are some of the technological advances that have contributed to understanding more about the cell and just pushing scientific research forward? I think that labs as a whole have gotten better and I think AI is part of that certainly AI is part of The ability for us to be more specific and to see what works and get more bio individual and set up this sort of basic Wrote advice. I think that that's really the main Tools how can AI inform lab diagnostics? I think there is we're in the honeymoon period in many ways of how AI can be used for good Um, and I think It's helps us help people a lot easier is the mechanism of that that AI can ingest more Lab reports to look for patterns that would take too long for human as that without the mechanism Exactly that's that's for sure we're working as a clinician to be able to work smarter not harder to be more efficient

36:48Because there's only so many hours in the day for me to help people for me to get data and protocols and recommendations faster Is definitely the efficiency as a blessing because you can help more people in the day I met with somebody for podcast interview that I ended up not airing some not gonna say who it was but what why didn't an air Well, it was it was a weird conversation. He's the doctor in the longevity space a clinical researcher is credited with Inventing a lot of things and like founding things So we didn't get to a relatively heated spiritual to be wow Because he really he He was talking about how what drives him is that he really fundamentally believes that human beings can and should live forever Hmm as a believer Personally in you know a biblical based paradigm with you know I'm certainly not like a new burr religious Person I was actually raised Jewish everyone on the show knows that I have like a very wild conversion story

37:53Yeah, I just see Oh, yeah, I mean I was like full-blown Hebrew school. My sister was in the idea of yeah amazing and how to really intense spiritual encounter when I was 19 Stopping while having a panic attack to splash water on my face at a church and the Pastor that greeted me immediately was like are you from New York and I was in Colorado time like a Yeah, he's like are you Jewish and like yeah, he's like yeah me too. I'm like well, but we're a church He's like yeah, I'm a rabbi and a pastor like a little bit a little back Anyways radically changed my life and I think the point here is It's very clear to me from a biblical paradigm that perhaps part of the way he was talking about long Jevon he had a lot to do with telomeres and the analogy that he used was like Tell me your lengthening is like everyone only has so many ride tickets and eventually run out of ride tickets and That's the end I

38:53Positive didn't is it possible that we die as a consequence of what happened in Genesis at the fall and that really That might have been one of the physiological consequences of the fall that we are supposed to have a short short and lifespan He didn't like that. He didn't like that He didn't like that. So I wonder as it pertains to just maybe You know medically, but also just spiritually. What is your perspective on longevity and What are you pushing for is it just quality of life or is there are you trying to find the edge in a more spiritual way of what you I think all your listeners want to hear that on like the on the the The episode that never saw the light of day. It will never come out Is that because he put it out? It doesn't want it out or you don't want it out He didn't want it out. He didn't I don't think he represented himself the way that he wanted to See yeah, where was he out of the spectrum? That's what I would have done. I think I don't know because I the whole point is that I can't just make it out

39:56But his behavior bad to guess his behavior appeared to be far right. Okay He Couldn't let's just say in about an hour. I think I was able to get maybe one question in oh Say like to talk he like to talk and he really like to just tell it sounds like the same story over again Charlie being stupid and he was a perfectly delightful sweet guys. Yeah, yeah Well, human wait. I totally would have heard it. He asked me not to I'm not I like to respect Okay, it's all good, but I do I do think about these things yeah, because I do really think about What are human beings capable of what how far should we push and Where is pushing playing God? Well, I you're right. I think that there is and that's why I would be very clear I think my perspective on health span is really the cons that what we're talking about here is health span and adding life to your years Yes, also years to your life because we do have a lot of years lost in the Western culture because of how we're living

41:02Our life actually because we pretend as a culture to be God and when humans pretend to be God There's unintended consequences and sometimes intended consequences So I think that we really because we're living in a fallen world because we are living out of alignment the way the way that God created us We aren't thriving. We don't have a good quality of life and we don't have a great quantity of life and The key thing we're focusing on here is health span not just lifespan But what's your actual biological age? What's your cellular age not just People living because when I talk about living to a hundred years Years old people in the comments section say I would never want to do that because they know the elderly person in their whole folks home In the in the care home that is not thriving. That's the doped up on medication. That's lonely. It's very unhealthy in a diaper That's not what we're talking about here But nor are we talking about this sort of transhumanist Idea of immortality which is really

42:06It is you're absolutely right is it is the motivating factor for a lot of what I would call the The sort of you can say it yeah, I don't know the word for I would say that the the the biohacker world a lot of the biohacker world Which I would consider myself a part of that community but some of them are motivated by a world view of This immortality transhumanists perspective I've joked on this podcast and other lectures that the biohackers will be the first tax Denny merged with oh Technology and they won't even realize that it's happened. Yeah. No, they will they were willingly and I too am part of the I you know I'm part of the It's a diverse community, but you can know the subset of people within the community that they are And they don't even know the origins of their world view This is their test-grill Which is a lot of the way the effect of between behind AI actually the way the AI is done We use AI clinically. I am not against AI has a lots of benefits, but this

43:08AI is like transportation. I've heard it said there's ways to there's many ways to have transportation There's a bike there's a car and there's a rocket the way that a lot of the AI world that I intersects with this longevity biohacker world Is everyone should ever rocket and we should implant technology inner body because we can live forever So that's not where I'm coming from I'm talking about longevity or a I think they both have their place, but this world view which comes from I don't know if you've ever looked at the origins of it. It's pretty dark and sinister. Oh, yeah I mean we talk about it on the show where we're not we're not afraid to go there. Okay. There's this guy Turned the centuries name was Nikolai Fyodorov He was the kind of the godfather of Cosmism He's an orthodox Russian orthodox Christian. Okay, but had some wild use of gathering The atoms to resurrect using technology in science to resurrect our ancestors sort of like check resurrection to bring about revelation So this is sort of fusion of biblical prophecy with technology in science at the time sounds almost science fiction

44:14but he Nikolai Fyodorov influenced this guy called Nick Landon if you've heard of looking at the father of accelerationism every AI Tech guy they love excellent. They're all accelerationists He channels non-human entities what he calls lemur demons That says we must accelerate AI at all costs. It's sort of the success of compulsive Growth and that is also what influences a lot of these longevity biohacker people is that humans can live forever We just need technology to tell us how to do it and to be implanted with with them But like we all like the saying goes the road to hell is paper's good intentions Because living long life sounds good, right? I don't think that's the way not at the expense of your soul Which I think ultimately that soul spirit aspect of it is He might not realize it consciously, but that's what I think they're trying to Separate from us right? That's what separates us from God. Yeah, they want to upload

45:18I mean, they're talking about uploading our just consciousness to the cloud I mean, this is the why they want to populate Mars. This is this is all I mean, it's called the dark enlightenment guys Research this it's called the dark enlightenment and it's their part of it and they believe they're doing work of Really these non human entities are telling them this is they're from the future and they're saying this is how you are going to Make humanity better because the singularity will happen AI will be smarter than we are and we will And it will solve all our problems and we will have to have universal basic income Because everyone we won't have jobs and that we will all just be subservient to AI because it will solve all our problems Guys, it sounds science fiction and wild, but it's actually the world view of this So I'm tying this into longevity because that is what I call the dark longevity space That has some good intentions, but that's not what Dr. Axel are talking about We're talking about thriving and living a long healthy life the way the guy created you and the research is clear. There's no

46:22There's no reason why most humans can't live over a hundred disease-free healthy lives And then there's a time first to pass away and go be with our maker And that's okay. That's not a failure. That's just How life on earth is meant to be in our fallen world What are the levers that you look to in somebody's life when they come to you and you're trying to get a picture of what could potentially be causing a breakdown of cellular health And I know our audience is very familiar with mold and things like that What are we've talked about nutrition? Our audience is very familiar with mold as an environmental component What are the other components that can start to degrade cellular health? so The from a differential diagnosis standpoint that's where health history comes in of like what are the areas that are going to be the most relevant for you because you don't want to Like stressing about this stuff isn't good for your health either nor is all of this stuff relevant so I think having discernment clinical discernment on my part of

47:23Knowing what are the proverbial stones that are most likely to have something underneath it But I would put them in a few categories one is our biotoxins that you said mold bacteria viruses parasites Now those things have never been healthy for humans like mold toxins for example the bible talked about mold the viticus said burn the house down Luckily we have mold remediators and we know how to burn the house down but Meaning as old as time and mold toxic mold has never been healthy but Why are we hearing about it more than ever? It's a multi-faceted topic, but I think it's There's a lot of bioindividuality to this topic as I guess where I should start with saying there's how what type of mold are we talking about? What how much of it how much are you exposed to it and what's your genetic ability to methylate and detox? There's what's your HLA status? What does your immune system do when it's exposed to mold? So this interplay between genetics and epigenetics. What's your bioindividual response to that stress or whatever that is?

48:26so biotoxins would be one man-made environmental toxins would be another The herbicides pesticides PFAS forever chemicals microplastics heavy metals those are those are the key ones there And then you could I would put inflammatory foods which you kind of mentioned that that should be its own category All three of those things on the physiological level inflammatory foods bio toxins or nature toxins and man-made toxins all are going to impact the body To different degrees on a cellular level. It's going to create mitochondrial dysfunction It's going to create some membrane inflammation impacting cell communication which is the latest researchers are really looking at this communication Theory that I was right for it's an earlier how do cells communicate to one another? And how do can we get the cell receptor sites in membrane to communicate to other cells appropriately? So it doesn't have that rapid aging then what is the process? We have to heal the cell membrane. We have to In upregulate mitochondrial function those are the two

49:28Coral ones, but there's multiple homoomers of aging that we have to look at what are the ones that are most impacting that individual case? That's the physiological stuff all of that's going to impact the gut which is a significant part the cells of the gastrointestinal system And then larger system itself. That's where 75% of the immune system is Imflammation is a product immune system So the gut's kind of the gateway to a lot of brain health issues a lot of other systemic problems too um, and then we have to look at the the psychological How do things like chronic stress on resolve trauma shame and rage? How do these things on a mental emotional level? How is that impacting your body epigenetically? That's just regulating the body But it's a lot more non-linear It's a more prescriptive for me to measure a mold toxin or a environmental toxin and detox it out and keylated out It's a lot more abstract to do the work that you talk about here if you can't just say don't have that Traum anymore. Don't have that rage. Don't have that shame But it's work that's needed because it has to be both and as far as it as the human health is concerned

50:30So some of it can be measured on lab directly and some of it's going to have to be through questionnaires, health history assessments to determine what areas that need to be looked at I've always found that it Follows more of that which came first the chicken or the egg scenario where In my work the childhood environment sets the stage for what emotions that child experiences repetitively And there is certainly some correlation with certain repetitive emotional experiences and outcomes with chronic illness and things like we talked about and then In acting out that pattern repetitively all you do is make the The outcome of the chronic illness more intensified Yeah, I have seen clients where Addressing the mental if that truly was what was initially kicking it off Addressing the mental has downstream impacted the physiological symptoms that you seem to mysteriously go away Yeah, 100% Yeah, for some people the mental emotional spiritual is a big part of their puzzle and it's and tear

51:34Our point of Our conversation on my podcast is that it also creates self-sabotaging behavior too So it's like you have to deal with that side of it and for some people it's largely physiological They've dealt with all the mental emotional side and they have heavy metals in their body Or they have herbicides and pesticides and there's no amount of right thinking that's going to clear that out So again to deal with both and you're right the chicken of the eggs always a bio individual question Like what did come first? I have every Nutella health patient fill out what's called an ace questionnaire I'm a adverse childhood experiences, which is a good pointer and then prefer him to be your amazing prefer them to people like you to Dig deeper on what to do about that how do we address this and actually uncover what those experiences did How are those experiences impacting your health today? How's it impacting your auto mean flares and people are shocked Because I think they're going to come in and just be give them a peptide protocol It is more complex than that And that goes back to you. I'm sad to say I think we still live in a world where

52:38People don't want to have to do work to get better Things sell so much better if it really is quick quick fix or It's the American way see American way we're looking for that magic shot to magic pill Yeah, look and then those things Whatever you're talking about like that product whether it be a peptide or something else They can be a great tool But yeah, there's no get out of jail free card when you you cannot peptide your way out of childhood So a client has to do work when they work with you. Yeah, they're gonna have things that they have to do It's they're not gonna have an easy ride. They're gonna have to make changes. Yeah, they're gonna make changes I think easy it depends on someone's perception right if like what's their inner resistance to the change Because I see people up against very heavy stuff And they don't want the heavy stuff anymore So the healing is actually well and start quick or it's not always easy They have such a positive they're excited about it like feeling good and feeling healthy is actually really positive It doesn't mean there's it's of course healing is not linear, but There's this grace around someone that has

53:41A wide it's bigger than their excuses and self-sabotating behavior I think sometimes our pain has to be so immense that we're willing to do whatever and stay committed and some people Aren't able to access that driver motivation without things feeling really bad It's we talked about on your episode where we're talking about that circle of complacency. I really think That complacency is the ultimate enemy of anything where it's the same reason that people don't know that they're not well Because they don't really so they don't know what well feels like they're like this is normal Yeah, cuz they can get by and that's a sub Optimal zone that a lot of people find themselves in I think it's like it's a they can go to work They could be a spouse it could be a parent It's not a great quality day, but they can get by and can that can those people have a sneak attack I'm assuming it from what you described It sounds like those people that that's they shouldn't just rest on I'm getting by because they could have something lurking Yeah, it's certainly and this isn't about Being a hypokondriac are looking for problems with their aren't any it's these

54:43We are as our culture is so bent on being distracted and numbed and divorced from your body The body is actually is Trying to tell you Something's off that low-grade brain fog That background anxiety that digested problem that's that's there that you To kind of know where the bathrooms are at or you are so limited on what you could eat because all these foods will be back That's your body Whispering to you and we just don't many people don't pay attention to the whispers until they're screams And even then they still try to suppress it Um, but yeah, it's these are nudges from the body to say pay attention to me Let's do something about this something's got to give What's the most radical concept you and Dr. Axe put forth in the book radical concept I I guess that's also what you Like something like a bus somebody's paradigm of what what they currently think or think about the body

55:47Yeah, I think it's us bringing in the spiritual into a book about longevity I actually think that's it because you look a lot of these longevity-esque books um, and they're very again that sort of biohacker world like how do we Inplanted in an nanotechnology body that type of sort of robotic transhumanism uh, or you know The the therapeutics that we do talk about like stem cell therapy and hyperbaric oxygen therapy and peptide therapy we get into the weeds on all of that both and we're also talking about What's your spiritual life because the read I mean Dr. Lisa Miller a friend of mine colleague of mine. She's at Columbia Her research she's mapping actually the Brain changes the people that have a deep rich faith life people that have a relationship with God tend to live longer healthier lives uh, that's a completely free biohacker So it's just like what's that look like for you and showing the exciting data around it how there's a significant decrease risk of

56:54All-caught mortality when someone has a relationship with God. So I don't know That could be radical for the very much the reader of a typical longevity book This is just as much as a spiritual book as it is a longevity-based cellular health book What are the most important ways that people if they're not currently thinking about functional medicine that's on on their radar But they're aware of symptoms that they're having what are some practical first steps that somebody can take to start exploring Whether it's labs or identifying symptoms is there something that you and Dr. Axe offer that helps people kind of get started Maybe organizing their symptoms or figuring out how to start the scavenger hunt There's a lot of different paths or different people it depends on how what route they want to go down It may just be like I adapted questions that I asked Nutella health patients for an assessment in the book So it's not the same as a health history in labs, but I realized I want to make this accessible for people And at least there's a good pointer for us to for them to learn like back to that sort of distracted num divorce from your body

58:00How can you learn more about your body and look at the different systems of the body The Stanford study they talked about earlier about the uneven aging they looked at 11 different systems of the body So we sort of adapted the For finding sort of the the common through lines between these different systems that may be aging more rapidly Do you have health problems in the nervous system or in your hormones or in your gastrointestinal system to see how fast or how slowly how Young are these specific organs in your body so you could do that The diagnostic route A few labs that I think everyone should have run and a lot of these are accessible Mainstream labs. I would just want to interpret them looking at optimal not average One would be inflammation levels looking at high sensitivity c-reactive protein and looking at home assistant I want to be the HSC RP to be under one home assistant to be under seven above seven with home assistant's link to Neuro inflammation or inflammation of the nervous system It can act as a neurotoxin

59:02So there's genes that code for that looking again that interplay between genetics and epigenetics The STEM CHFR gene and other methylation genes that are responsible for breaking down that are lowering that inflammation marker Economosistine so running those two tests. How must this seem to see your active protein? Where's your inflammation levels? That's going to impact cellular function tremendously and you're going to make sure and not just cells as a Systemic cell cellular but specific systems that may be impacted more than others based on genetics and your specific susceptibilities The second thing I would say is looking at metabolic health. I mean 93% of the United States has a massive metabolic problem We only seven percent of Americans are metabolically healthy It's it's a very small number So looking at your a1c we want to make sure that that's at least around 5.5 or less that you're three month average of your blood sugar glucose your fasting blood sugar we want under 90 triglycerides and what's the ratio of the triglycerides in HDL

1:00:03HDL it's your good cholesterol. It's more complex than that But we want to be HDL to be about 59 triglycerides or circulating fat to be under 100 um if your HDL is low and triglycerides are above 100 that would be one other sign of insulin resistance going on which is a cellular problem largely the cells of the liver that's happening there So there's that liver is aging more rapidly if these markers are off when I'm talking about metabolic health and Those are the main ones that I would say for metabolic health and the thyroid hormones At this thyroid hormones and the cells at the thyroid hormone is so common especially for women So running a full thyroid panel which I mentioned some of the labs there I would just get curious about what your body's telling you on a biomarker standpoint And all of those labs that I mentioned and this others of course people could run I think iron is another one Faratin is this biomarker for stored iron yourself with caretune trending on social media Yeah, okay, well it's neat. I'm trying right now. Oh so I'm sorry

1:01:03I suddenly I feel like I've seen a thousand influencers who are just specifically on oh yeah Faratin. Oh, you see me trends coming girl. I'd like I'll always love Faratin Even when the world's not paying attention to it So a at least 80 it depends on your pre-repostment opusal but it's a but yes It's a biomarker for stored iron which is we need it for cellular energy Faratin So not just Faratin but a whole iron iron saturation serum iron hema clomin himaticry What's what are we doing to oxygenate yourselves which we need but Faratin can also be a sign of inflammation If Faratin spiked it's what's called an acute phase reactant so you again not too high not too little but just right Goldilocks in the baby. Oh meostasis baby So that's uh that's from a cellular health If the world ran those biomarkers that I just said we would have better cellular health and be fleet feel better Okay, so why Hasn't pole medical establishment brought on to this yet? What's the what's the like? Well, I have to do it the Roth try holds

1:02:05We want to go back to the century. It's like a archaic model that hasn't shifted But you know, I think the groans it's being there's there's a compulsion the best of ways a good compulsion a good forward progress Of the system Being repaired with it from within and from without I think that the internet the amount of conversations Doctors are having to learn about this stuff because the people are asking hey, did you hear about this did you hear about this? Information and the truth is inconvenient to a system that really banged on gatekeepers and approved narratives Everyone on the show knows all about the gatekeepers on approved narrative So I think that the diversity of thought is inconvenient to a system that said no you can't ask questions Just take this pill see in six months. So I think Mainstream medicine is there's pockets of amazing change like I mentioned these mainstream institutions opening functional medicine centers That happen because of independent thinkers that are still out there within the system

1:03:07And also for people who have enough tenure to be like yeah, we're gonna do it anyways We're doing anyways, and we're gonna push through Anyways, yeah, so But depending on a waiting for a system to change We're gonna be waiting a long time. Yeah, we have to deal with what what's your responsibility? Responsibility now. What can you do now on your own? Yes, sometimes working within the systems needed right seeing your PCP All of those things I'm not saying to leave your doctor. I'm just saying Understand it's a paradigm. Understand that the paradigm has some blessings and benefits and has some limitations but be and be Intellectually flexible and independent enough to go in and out of that system when you need it On the show we talk a lot about how important it is To not just point out something that's broken in the system and complain about it, but to actually figure out What what can I offer up as a solution? How do I fix that while potentially also building a parallel economy?

1:04:07And I think really functional medicine. I think is that kind of parallel version that now just happens to have merged in yeah to little pockets that are poached. I think is Largely what needs to happen we we don't just get mad that the system isn't changed. We build a secondary system That eventually the proof becomes something that's in the pudding and then people are like all right Can't be them join them. Yeah, and it kind of merged back in which feels like very much what's happening so so much so I mean because you were in you change enough hearts and minds and show enough people there is a better way It's common sense speak loudly For people who have ears to hear common sense. So I think that It's all positive right again. It's like a positive thing and focusing on that I don't really hear A lot of like people that are like who are these dinosaurs that are against function I don't understand who they are if I know they're out there I just don't pay attention because I think more and more people are getting it Just really exciting because I 15 16 years ago

1:05:09I would get calls like hate calls on from an article that I would write because I'd write for my embody green and goop And sort of these out wellness outlets back in the day and I would get calls saying like how dare you say you could reverse type 2 diabetes This is like you're giving people false help. There's nothing you do, but reversing type 2 diabetes I was 16 years ago Really not that long in this game of things and scheme of life and human history and How much has changed now like you that's not gonna fn anybody Everyone knows you can reverse to do it type 2 day bd's is lots of things you could do with lifestyle And then obviously with gop 1 it got the last stragglers and you know But it's it's because it's these are reversible healable things metabolic problems hormonal problems So I think in another 20 years like what's the next diabetes right then before like oh yeah people said you couldn't Reverse it that was that's the subtitle of heal yourselves reversing the irreversible love that And you know it's gonna shock that'll shock some people too

1:06:10Not on the show, but in general the general population yeah My last question for you is Based on just what's been happening with medical advancement whether it's peptide supplements bio individual supplements Does if you look at the whole scope of every tool that you have available to you as a health practitioner What is the most exciting promising tool that you've seen emerge that you're excited to see where it continues to go? Yeah Few things I mean I think if I had to say the area that I'm most excited about I would put peptides on that list. I think because They are analogs of our body already makes But because of our gut the human gastrointestinal system and gut health not being where we want it to be A lot of these things that are made indigitously in the gut I'm gonna do everything I can to repair the gut and support gut healing and we talk about that at length of how to do that in the book And your body would naturally make gel P1 and make BPC 157 make these peptides

1:07:14That are made in the gut that your body is its own pharmacy You have your own physiological apothecary when you improve gut health and improve cellular health these mechanisms are all there You can tap into that But can we have a pragmatic both and not you know, not either or not as a creative reliance on one Without supporting the system Support get the body making it great on its own, but then can we Upregulate it even more and in some people even when you get their gut healthy or their metabolism healthy It's way better than they used to be but it's still because we live in this fallen broken world Can we fill in the gaps pragmatically to kind of take their health to the next level judiciously conservatively? I think we can so I think peptides are one The I at the time of recording The FDA's meeting of moving it to the F-303A Proofless Timel-Tel TBD on where we go, but I think what The last administration did with putting kind of shoving

1:08:18The peptide world to the black market and the research only I only made it worse Right people are getting shady grade Area peptides online instead of it done by a quality compounding pharmacist compounding Pharmacy and doctors that are trained in this stuff So I'm really excited about where peptides can go not as a magic cure all because I think done too much It's problematic Not done cyclically. I'm microdose whenever possibly possible and take extended breaks from it So the world does it one way if a little is good and the more is better and people have our olympic zombies And I don't think that that's good and they're falling out of love just like their food noises being crushed So is there cravings for love? That doesn't mean that there's the truth We talked about on my podcast the truth is oftentimes somewhere in the middle Let's make the middle sexy again And we can have my be in the new tagline for the next selection It's like oh my god little sexy you heard it here first like can we use it judiciously in like

1:09:19Context matters around these things matter instead of saying peptides are evil or everyone should be On an peptide IV drip. What's what's the truth? Oh, I know I said that was my last question, but I actually have to One that I feel is really important because I know that we're Primarily talking about people who know something's wrong, right there They need to be able to be aware enough of a symptom to come to you and be like I feel like crap Is there still value in somebody coming to you to find out what's going on even before they're noticing some of these things That's part one part two. What is the youngest age? That somebody Potentially should tap into some of the tools that you offer because I feel like preventively like if a If a teen could potentially wrangle some of this stuff early could they Yeah, we have a lot of people that are on this auto immune inflammation spectrum So we have people that are mild symptoms to people that are full bone diagnosed and everything in between

1:10:21So we have kids that are in that zone of the food sensitivity is the allergies the digestive problems These inflammatory skin problems that the specter autism spectrum issues uh As young as I mean single digits a couple I mean toddlers toddlers as pet telehealth patients and then we have patients in their hundreds so It doesn't the age we just adapt the protocol so any just appropriate any age is appropriate of And we have lots of families Honestly where it's like normally the the mom ends up being a telehealth patient first and then she gets her whole family involved um And then Yes, I think that's part of the reason why we wrote heal yourselves It's not just for the people going through the health problem It's for the person that just says I want to level up how I want to feel I'm not going through any extreme thing, but I just want to take my health to the next level I want a better quality day. I want to be more regulated centered grounded less inflamed bloated version of myself And there's a lot of people that that that that's where they're at um So being proactive and not reactive with your health having a grace period of saying like what can I do to not be a statistic

1:11:26What a blessing I've seen recently some horror stories around ivs gone wrong and You've seen my good person to ask about this. I do feel like with the uptick of ivy clinics that seems somewhat Unregulated there's just more Side effects happening. I've seen a lot of people die from ivs wow. Oh, yeah, I didn't want a lot of Simon a bubble guys I don't I don't see this ivy. I don't know why it's on my algorithm For whatever reason Social media's decided that I need to see it. So it's it's happening pretty frequently. Yeah um What does your take on the on ivy's as a protocol? Is that something that you look to as a pathway to healing? And what could some of our listeners learn about How to use ivs appropriately? Because I just feel like everyone just kind of does these blanket protocols that are not individualized and more More and more people are going to random ivy clinics that you have nurses doing them. Yeah, right

1:12:29I definitely have to do your research. Is it as it reputable? What's its accreditation? What type of protocols are they are they doing? I think that there has to be some Do diligence on a consumer standpoint because you're right. They're creeping up in all different types of places Do I think that they're needed? Yes, sometimes I do I think that everybody needs them. No. Do I think they end up being just kind of A distraction on some of the root cause issues. Yeah, I think they are. I don't see them Like I keep things that I think like there are some cellular like phosphatidecoline protocols I think that's very specialized ivy stuff That can be really helpful for someone going through chronic inflammatory response syndrome going through mold toxicity and chronic chronic lime ivy ozone has its place that could be wonderfully healing I don't think like an a vitamin C iv drip is like changing the world I think that there has its time and place can it be a great booster cherry on top

1:13:29Fine, but I don't think getting vitamins in an ivy how practical was that how sustainable is that Is it really getting to the root cause or is it just you know Giving you some temporary boost which has its place again. It's not like nefarious But I don't actually think it's dealing with the root cause long-term. So in a way it's more like an expensive band-aid rather than actually addressing the root cause Which I think is what I was and people like this one like back People like the spa effect that maybe you feel better because you just sat down for an hour Yeah, you had a little me time. Yeah, a little me time I don't feel like me time is enjoyable with an ivy and my heart I don't know either but some people like it. They don't care They just look the other way and they're chill for an hour and it's like we know who didn't have medical trauma then Yeah, we just gave give yourself permission just to sit down for an hour And then like focus on gut health because you aren't just what you supplement with You are what you absorb and then from an IV standpoint which bypasses the gut You have to improve cellular membrane health back to heal yourselves

1:14:30You are what you absorb on a gut level, but you are also what you absorb on a cellular membrane level So heal yourselves so you can absorb nutrients because nutrient deficiencies are real. They are problem But I don't think you can ivy your way out of Thanks another one that has its place ivy iron So it has tanked low ferritin. I recommend ivy iron But you have to deal with why is the deficiency in the first place? Yeah, it's not gonna solve it. It's just gonna boost it up for a minute You have to deal with the deficiency problem in the first place In the book do you go over protocol on how to help sell membrane Yeah, and they sell age report card assessment so depending on the system that's aging faster There's different protocols for the different systems of the body amazing Where can people find this book and where should people follow up with you? I know we talked a lot about your telemedicine Yeah, I think the doctor will call com it's dr wilcol.com they can go to the become a patient page But I merged my telehealth portion with the health institute

1:15:30I'm all under the health and suit with dr dr dr austin lake dr. chris motley frontens and colleagues of mine um But all the information as far as the concierge stuff that dr will call calm and heal yourselves is there's a link to under the books You can get it there anywhere books are sold amazon independent booksellers um and my podcast which you were on the art of being well and what is your instagram? At dr wilcoel great. Thank you super simple so much. It is so simple. Thank you so much for being undecoded Guys make sure to go follow on all of his channels But more importantly go buy that book give it a five star review I know how long and tedious sometimes getting the ratings up can be so tell your friends Everybody go give it a reading. I already know it's gonna be great And enjoy the book and report back on the protocols and we'll have you on again sometime soon. Oh, thank you. Bye everybody