World Cup & Playoff Race ft. Jeff Marek & James van Riemsdyk

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1:17What's up everybody and welcome to a Tuesday edition of morning cup of hockey presented by bet three six five and hockey fans Check out bet three six fives three goal early payout when your team goes up three you get paid. It's that simple Dallow the app today you must be 19 or older so please play responsibly and always and as always we're Also presented by Parasso the most complete choice for shaving and beard care made in Italy since 1948 Parasso has been a staple of Italian culture and barbershops globally for four generations So get 15% off at Parasso have a USA dot com with our promo code hockey 15 in all caps hockey 15 That's Kobe Cohen. I'm Johnny Lazarus. We got Jeff Merrick joining here off the hop and then JVR James Van Riemzek get around 940ish. We'll talk world cup of hockey. We'll talk GM meetings with Jeff Not sure if we want to start with anything Kobe specifically off the hopper if we just want to bring Jeff right in

2:17Anything you wanted to get off your chest before we do bring on Jeff Spring him in all right. Let's bring Jeff right in let's get this show started Jeff I have a huge gentleman about this world cup of hockey stuff Why's that? Because I was talking to Vic before You know, we got things started this morning first mistake. There's a problem. I shouldn't have opened up to him But all right, it's fine Is the best on best thing gonna become too much too often if we're doing every other year Are we gonna get spoiled by it and then well that like diminish How we feel toward the NHL. I feel like if we see Continuous best on best The NHL and our love for it might just like decrease a little bit if we get too spoiled and you know I know everyone loves it not. I want to be a party pooper or a hater, but like That kind of is a concern of mine with how everyone you know, I heard people saying oh my god the Olympics were amazing How it's so hard to go back to watching NHL hockey and now if we're doing this every other year You know like what what happens then Well before I answer let me just have a sip of coffee in my

3:20Look at that Beautiful. Beautiful. Just getting the day started right now. Great branding show Uh, I know right It just tattooed on a baseball bat and just started slamming it into people Um Okay, so a few things one. I'm glad you I'm glad you brought this point up because one of the things that I don't think got enough Concert was how kind of tough it was to go back to watching NHL hockey now a couple after the Olympics a couple of things Players are still rusty too, and it's gonna be a couple of games But there was like a noticeable difference in quality obviously coming back from the else Um, I've thought about that one too Johnny like growing up The big tournament was always the Canada Cup right 1976 Canada Cup was my first big one I was too young for 1972 in the summit series and all that but that was my first sort of taste of Of international uh international hockey and that would happen every four years And then that turned into the World Cup like 87 was insane Canada Cup 96 was an incredible World Cup Which Canadians would probably talk a lot more about as far as quality of hockey

4:24But Canada didn't win that tournament the United States did so we kind of shelved that But I'll put that quality of hockey up against 87 Any day of the week I think it's a good problem to have You know, we have internet international hockey at a level where you know There's a number of competitive teams and and the stories are compelling And we can see that hockey has another level And I'm always interested in sort of like what the best We can see is and I think we all are I sort of share a concern with it's tough to go back to the NHL But at the same time Don't think that the schedule as laid out where essentially you're doing this every couple of years is too much like with winter classics For example, I remember watching that first one I mean there was the of course Edmonton Montreal one But the one above flow the Stowe Globe game I remember watching that and saying this is amazing Let's only do it every four years to make it really really special

5:26And then it turned into every year and then stadium series And now it still exists mainly as a vehicle for the live event not so much a TV product So that's kind of changed And it's become a bucket list item for a lot of hockey players I think if they did any more than every couple of years We might have a legitimate concern But I think as laid out now with every couple of years either in Olympics or a World Cup I think it's good. I think it's fine. I think it sort of quenches that international hockey thirst Here's a question I thought about yesterday And this would change for every player based on their history And based on what they've done or what they've grown up with How many players on that US men's gold medal team Would exchange their gold medal for a Stanley Cup rank? Ooh, I think a lot of them said I think a lot of them said the gold medal means more I don't know. I mean Jeff

6:27I almost I almost feel like that's like asking a parent who their favorite. I know. It's so feast You know so feast. I know I know what I mean It's like we all have a favorite child, but we're also not really we say it kind of jokingly You know what I mean? And maybe depending on the week We're depending on Maybe different for you your kids are older, but whoever was in the principal's office that week Back talking or took a bad penalty or didn't back check or whatever the case may be so I just think that that's a That's like the the who's your favorite child question. It really will just depend on the week Well, but the thing is like once upon a time It was just like you know Stanley Cup. That's it. All I'm focused on my entire life But night first of all I think there are a lot of European players Where they just sort of they've grown up in amongst you know international hockey and international hockey events and the world championship Means a lot more there than it does here

7:28So I think a lot of European players might be warmer to the idea of like y'all take a medal over a Stanley Cup Any any day of any day of Hasn't that already North America. It's different. It's always been that way. I feel it Yeah, I was just gonna say like I feel like for a long time a lot of the Russian players would get a bad rep And then people would say you don't want to have a Russian guy leading your team in the playoffs because Their mind is focused on world championships because it's a bigger deal for them I know that sparks a larger conversation right now especially with everything going on and yesterday People were weighing in on whether they should be back whether they shouldn't be back Here's the other thing I want to throw your way Jeff yeah and Johnny you know way in here too like When it comes to the today's player These guys are so much more connected like you're not going in meeting anybody for the first time anymore when you go to like a Olympic orientation camp between social media For here we have the US program. I know team Canada doesn't have a national development team

8:30But they still have their UA team team. They still have their U20 team They still get together for the spangler cup like there's still a hockey Canada presence at the senior level And even at the at the youth level So that's the other thing like I think I'll fire back though I think Jarvis said last year. He didn't know anyone on team Canada when he went into the locker of Appornations So so then okay, so that's a fair I believe so I believe so My sentence here on that though Johnny wouldn't be like Maybe that's an advantage that the Americans do have and for the people who are yelling and screaming to get rid of the ntdp And and there's a case to be made for saying hey, you know what they should take all the money that goes to the ntdp Put all that money into the ushl and take the ushl to another level because there's more funding But then the count the fair counter argument would be look how many guys from that Olympic team came through the national development team and look at how close they are these guys were already

9:34Childhood brothers from being on that team. I mean you guys see it like reamer comes on this show You know every other week and I guess maybe with him It's a little different because we met at such a young age being from the same like geographical area the same district and everything like that But you know that Closeness that we all got in that program and sort of threw us a hockey like that does create This stronger deeper bond that I feel like those guys have I'm not saying Canada didn't have that by the way I think those guys would have killed for each other as well I'm not you know in any way shape or form saying that they wouldn't have sold their souls for one another by the way I'm just so so I'm not just but I'm just saying it's it's a really really It's a really really fair and reasonable point to bring up The thing that I do like though is that every country has a different way to do it Right like and I and I don't like just that I think that there's not one specific way to win the Stanley Cup

10:39It's always been sort of the bane of my existence like how How teams just sort of chase or ape whatever is successful the year before I like that United States has their own way to do it Canada has its own way to do it Sweden has its own way to do it And what we're at as far as The sort of global world of hockey right now is we're at a level now where a lot of ideas are getting shared And everything that goes right down to the very beginnings like I'll tell you you know where there was a huge like a massive Pushback and I can tell you specifically with authority because that's what I was going through it When my kids were young in in minors last shoe with hockey and that was half ice And you know what the pushback was that I kept hearing from people like this is from other parents So this isn't from administrators administrators. We're all for this This started in Sweden and then got exported to the United States and United from the United States It led into uke and one of the big criticisms was and I'm like how stupid are we like stop with like this

11:40You're just shutting yourself off He didn't want to do it because we're not doing what Americans do I heard that so many oh that's the way Americans do we're not gonna we're not gonna There's still that sort of side of We're still on top of the mountain and we can learn nothing from anybody else Which is a recipe for failure, which is why I liked that everyone has a different way to do it And that there's not just one very specific way To develop champions or elite level teams and what it really does is it exposes though Who are forward thinking and it really exposes those that just want to you know plug their plug their years and close their eyes and say Our way is the best way and I'm not going to have any conversation to the to the contrary And he's can I hate you both like we heard a lot a lot of it here in Canada when half ice started Can I eat both with another idea and this doesn't really have to do with like the way a country develops its players But this is something that Vic and I were talking about in in regards to the best on best and and whatnot

12:44Yeah, well, no, no, this is uh This is kind of hilarious So like what we were saying before about our best on best might make it harder to watch the NHL What if in the in the off years that we're not doing best on best We did it worst on worst to make you appreciate the NHL a little bit more you have to have guys that are averaging Guys that are averaging at a point point two zero or less points per game And you put them on a team together and then you watch that for two weeks Then you go back to the NHL. It's like holy shit these guys are unbelievable Who picks who picks the team and who shows up Where's the worst I'd be the GM for team USA Who's showing up Who's who's showing up? I hope he's looking at me like I genuinely think this is a good idea I think this is one of your your test cases Johnny or you just wanted to see how we'd react before you Go mainstream with it on social media Uh, everybody gets a trophy at the end of it right

13:45Everybody gets some metal everybody gets to go home happy Yeah, I guess we could do that I will I will entertain at listen my the history of me is I will entertain every insane idea and find like a time I know you will that's why I presented you that's that's in there But I'm having a hard time finding that tiny little bit of something that's that's in the for the who would watch that I would like the whole idea is that people are going to watch this So when they come back to the NHL they're like wow look at the market difference. This is incredible This is like, you know the lockout of 20405 and we all Watch a ton of American Hockey League action and look how much better the NHL is wow now. We really appreciate it A who's gonna pick the teams B who's gonna show up and see who's gonna watch it But let me the worst you got let me go back and hockey Yeah, let me go back and let me go Out of this conversation because we're in the middle we're in the middle of this This international hockey conversation and this morning

14:46Yes, an article drops about Doug Armstrong stepping down as general manager of team Canada and You know when I read that I thought to myself. Oh like I didn't realize that was his position I sort of thought like here. We sort of go tournament by tournament and obviously Bill Garen won So it's his seat to have and maybe that's been the reason that that Armstrong has kept to see because they seemingly have always won You know more than not up to this point But I guess my curiosity would in lie where like a who's the front runner to take over that position Vic thought Kyle Dubis maybe and B that's what I think um, that's right like Why now like why are we why is he making that announcement right now like the timing seems early I don't know. It just I was surprised to read that story this morning Jeff And I feel like you could probably shed some light onto the whole thing you know the whole thing

15:46I I I'll agree with Vic on this one whether it's um working as an assistant general manager with the Olympic team Whether it's his work with the world championships Whether it's you know the work that he's doing with the Pittsburgh penguins right now. I think Kyle Dubis is Would have to be considered a front runner and knowing what I know about hockey Canada Under Catherine Henderson's leadership right now is they probably want to start skewing younger with younger newer fresher ideas For this next generation of hockey like look the USA had the triple sweep Right USA like Canada's biggest rival. It just had the triple sweep So we can argue about you know gameplay and whether it's you know, I mean the the only one I mean the at them on the men's and women's side Both games were close both games wanted to over time so you can really say like You know what if he's if you if you squint hard enough you can say that you know It could have gone either way coin flip over time one mistake all of that

16:50But like just there's there's there's there's gonna be um There's gonna be cascade that happens from that and I think that as Doug Armstrong steps down as general manager of the St. Louis blues He steps down as general manager of team Canada and he goes into the summer, you know Clean without anything on his on his on his business card Whether that means complete retirement whether that means he'll entertain An offer for another NHL team Don't know But I think as far as like the next person to step into that spot Kyle dubious Kyle dubious has always answered would hockey Canada called and that means a lot to them That means a lot to them as far as like continuousness and seriousness of every program at every single tournament They look at it as one Like one big chain and if you say to if you say and again We can argue about whether this is sane or not

17:51But if you say no Along that line You can suffer consequences for it somewhere down the line We've seen that most specifically at the junior hockey level and it's bit team Canada on the ass But we have also seen it before at the at the at the senior men's level as well So maybe not too surprised the timing might be interesting to Why now is as opposed to later I'm sure this is just hockey Canada wants to start to roll up their sleeves and start to look for another another general manager as soon as possible But I I could see Kyle dubious leading the whole thing. Absolutely. I think I think I'll give Vic the win on this one I think vix right about this one that that to me would be the frontrunner I think you're beauty Kobe Okay here I guess I'll transition this but Jeff what would you make of Edmonton Calgary and Prague being named the host cities You know obviously Kobe and I have talked about how we think all these tournaments are most these tournaments should be played in Canada There's nothing like international tournaments being played in Canada Prague is a cool one to throw on the mix though

18:53Prague is awesome cobblestone streets, you know, beautiful historic hockey Hockey nation and we're seeing the rise of Czech hockey again at a lot of different levels. I'm gonna be honest with you. I was And we take off my Canada hat for a second. I was surprised and a little bit disappointed You know my whole professional career Okay, like start was when I started like 94. I have always maintained that For the growth of hockey for the good of hockey Um the place to grow it is still in the United States That's still a place where where this thing needs to grow You know Canada is Canada the growth area is on the women's side of the puck That's the major growth area for hockey in Canada. It's on the women's side And like like always said like you're not going to make one more hockey fan by putting another hockey team in Canada like you're not true But there's still opportunity in the United States And I would always say for the good of the game the United States needs to start winning these major tournaments And needs to start winning Olympic medals like I'm very much of the belief that you know

19:57We went through that era where NHL owners were saying no, no, no, we're not going to send the players to risky to risk And I said to myself what if America was winning gold every time Would they still say no, no, no, we're not going to send our players Not a chance because it would have been such a great a good new story For the country and for hockey in the United States Of course they're going to send their players because they come back with gold medals and all of a sudden your star player has a gold medal around his neck I thought that given the momentum after the United States won gold that the why thing would be to capture that momentum And put this tournament in two American markets that are close to each other USA hockey right now is so strong internationally after after the triple gold Why not try to use that momentum and build a stronger Base is it in the process that's why I thought that's why I thought it would be that I thought it would be in the US Did they just already down the road Colby?

20:59I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know behind the scenes. Is the way that it works Is it like I know The the NCAA Right So yeah, Calgary and Evan Tim just just everyone knows what that was a joint bid like they they bid together That was a joint bid that wasn't like yeah, we're going to go to Canada and it's going to be these two markets That wasn't joint bid those two together So it's just money right money talks. I mean, I know like I was saying the NCAA tournament you you have to bid And the best bids financially and the most money guaranteed gets picked. So yeah, I guess Yeah, Sydney's just they just didn't bid enough. I mean can't really blame how many times How many time well hang on though, but at the same time like how many times have we seen What times have we seen the NHL just go for the quick buck and it's penny wise and pound foolish again What do you what do you do with this momentum in the United States? You know with all these athletes with gold medals now. What do you do with that like that's the challenge

22:00Okay, you've been handed this gift What are you going to do with who control the world a lot more than then then then go This is this is an NHL event okay NHL NHL players association So then so they have a lot more control over it from a TV's perspective Um from an advertising perspective So you're going to go playing Europe which throws a wrench into your times I mean, I get it. It's only six hours right prog maybe prog is seven hours Depending on the time of year. Um, I know at some time during the year the you you you have that what we do Daylight savings and they don't so it changes from six to seven hours Um, it it does strike me as a little bit of a miss here like why not say to Boston why not say to An emerging market in New York even like you could I mean the world cup did great and Philly in 96 I went to some of those games. They were sold out. I mean the core state center There was not an empty seat for Canada Sweden. I remember being there as like a great turn

23:05I don't know seven or eight year old kid Why not Florida People would travel people would go The frozen four goes to Tampa every a couple of years and people go It is jam there's not an empty seat in the house everybody travels down in everybody's in a great mood I that's not a bad call Johnny You know here's here's the other thing I wondered about this uh talking with Wushinsky about this on on the sheet yesterday I wonder if this was because Listen, this is you know replacing all star weekend. I wonder if is and I'm not trying to be insulting This is just the reality of the situation. I wonder if this is a cookie for uh Edmonton and Calgary because they're not going to get things like the all-star game. Oh, oh because I think they're going to say a cop play no no no no That would be insulting. Here you go, Canada. You're not going to get a cop. Are you going to get the world cup? How about that? Yeah No, I think it's because listen Players don't want to go where it's cold

24:08For all-star weekend, right? Yeah, I wonder how much part of this is like this is a cookie for those markets because You know, Winnipeg's in the same boat like we're not players are going to chafe at the idea of going That's that's why they're looking and they've entertained the idea of doing like a rotation of like you know Vegas Dallas, Florida, Tampa for things like all-star weekend because it's sunny take the kids It's a little bit more enticing to get players to go as opposed to put some more cold for all-star weekend I wonder if if that's a part of this as well Mm-hmm. It's a good point Colby any other things on world cup of hockey international players should we move into can I make one point? Can I make one point please do can I make one can I make one point about Prague? I'm really glad they're doing this. I'm really glad that Prague is involved And I know that it's going to make things a little bit awkward and it's going to make things tricky But for the first time in a long time like I can recall getting Proformas from 19 this would have been 1991 or 1992

25:09I got a collection of performers that was was sent to me with the Outlines of how the NHL this is pre-gary badminton's would have been John Zeagler Investigating how to do a European NHL And it was like a lot of markets that you would expect you know your stock homes in your house sinkies But it was also like Milan and London and like the NHL has always tried to figure out a way How do we get deeper into Europe considering so many players start their start their You know their youth hockey there and then graduate into the NHL How do we capitalize on that more and whether it is you know having a European side of the NHL players tour Whether it is opening an office in Zurich whether it is enhancing the global series And putting more of a premium on it as opposed to just doing a collection of you know one and done Hey, we're going to China for you know, Boston Calgary Hey, we're gonna drag the Los Angeles Kings to us and we're gonna play one game and then punt

26:11Instead of the one and done there seems to now be More of a a vision for a long-term understanding of how Europe is going to factor in to what the NHL does I've always maintained I think a lot of us have that there's still a gold mine there for the NHL Don Ferries always talk about how international hockey was the way to bring in more money for the players etc I'm just glad they're finally taking a long view and trying to make sure that Europe is involved in a lot of decisions that they make No, good point good point Before we do wrap things up and bring on JVR Jeff. I did just want to bring up Economy david's comments about the NHL Department of Player Safety and this morning George Pyros actually spoke And I want to read this quote that friend of the show Eric angles put out there and ask your opinion on it So George Pyros responded to economic david's comments by saying this We sweat over these decisions and pour over these decisions every night all season long We have a process in place that's consistent and we've a team that works for me and together with me

27:12That evaluates all these plays a very Experience team a veteran team guys that have been there since the beginning of the department not to mention all former players That have a large set of experiences playing NHL games Accolades some of the best guys that have played the game work for the department help make decisions So our process I feel very confident in we've got great guys who make these decisions And I think the players should be confident in this team to do so that's a whole lot of nothing to me I don't know what you make of it, but I guess that's good to see George Pyros speaking today Yeah, I think what Pyros is just saying like look our our process is consistent we could quit like I Again like everybody's gonna have an opinion I think the goodest suspension was a little bit light But not like egregious. I would have thrown like seven Adam, okay? Like seven games, but like so we're talking about the difference of a couple of games here if you look through The suspendable you know history of The Department of Player Safety under George Pyros I think the main criticism is It's it's it's the suspensions are are too light

28:16But that doesn't come from George Pyros that comes from a couple of places one that comes from the managers And if the managers wanted to turn up the heat they could they could turn up the heat tomorrow if they wanted Remember in Brennan Shanahan was throwing double digits at everybody Rafi Torres got was it got it got bargain down but it's 21 games for the hit on on Housa Like and there was like oh there was a lot of member Brennan Smith in the in the in the Reseason I think you got ten games for a hit too and the managers went whoa You know, there's like there's an element of this porridge is too hot and this porridge is too cold And what everyone's trying to do is find the sweet spot here, but the managers could turn up the heat You know, then the other thing that I that I thought of too And this is where I kind of thought and I'm I understand why he didn't But and this is where I'll go to Conor McDavid's quote The follow-up should have been have you talked to Marty Walsh about this because The NHL Players Association just signed a collective bargaining agreement with the NHL where these types of negotiations go on

29:17Were you involved in those did you have a voice in them? What did you sit at the table? Nobody wants to do the boring stuff Johnny Nobody wants to do the boring stuff But then they want to complain about something they don't like that they chose not to have a hand in The window to do all this just closed You go look at the CBA right? It's all in there about Walsh things happen Now you can change you can change it all the managers would have to get together The next phone call would have to be to Marty Walsh Just say we're not happy with this and then Marty Walsh calls his counterpart at the NHL and Gary Betman And says hey, we got some of our key guys that don't like the way the suspensions are being handled right now And Betman would say okay Happy to have that conversation Here's one of the issues that we're having a hard time with and then it becomes a negotiation all over again I'm to bring all the subclosed When the players signed off on the latest CBA The follow-up question to Connor McDavid in that room should have been have you called Marty Walsh about this?

30:21I wonder Jeff to I mean For me the first thing that came to mind was first we heard from an agent and then we heard from the agent's client Who also well that's part of it Yeah, just so you can't tell me Judd Mordel or Moldaver however you pronounce us didn't say to Mordaver You need to speak up you're you're the face of the national hockey league. I mean That's how it smelled to me at least like the agent you're not going to tell the guy you have to do it But like I I would think he would have egged him on a little bit for that I think that there was a conversation now this is just so all of the of your viewers and listeners and like Judd Moldaver is um is an agent for a group called the team formerly Wasserman Um, and he represents among other players both Austin Matthews and Connor McDavid. So I'm sure Well, certainly all the agents spoke after the goodest suspension, and I'm sure all the players Would have had conversations to and I'm sure Moldaver would have had conversations with with Connor McDavid

31:26Who had various times himself? Let's not forget too has felt that Maybe the Department of Player Safety hasn't handled you know aggression against him in a notable way too To say nothing of the bigger question. This was to a tricky area, which is Protecting stars and how do you do it in a game that's as violent as Hockey-ish But I think that that is that is a um that is a point Colby that I don't think should be lost on anybody these like Matthews and McDavid are still Are still teammates by way of agency not by way of club team Kind of a funny comment in our chat to other fan too says I pray McDavid doesn't have to deal with goodness in the first round playoff Matchup goodness might attempt murder. Maybe that's McDavid just trying to oh my go a little hint out there First of all first of all here's nothing to consider and they put this in the video too, which I thought was really smart Radco-gudas hadn't had a suspension in seven years If you believe that the Department of Player Safety is for correcting behavior Radco-gudas essentially went through an entire player's career

32:29Yeah without a suspension Seven years without it. It isn't that what the Department of Player Safety is for because if you just come back and say Yes, so if you come back and say hey man. It's been seven years. He hasn't done anything But here we go. He did something. We're ringing them up for 20. What's the message? Mm-hmm. What's the message in real? I think he was seven years without a suspension seven That's been lost. I have not read that Or seen that pointed out anywhere to be honest that it's been seven years I don't see that behavior. I hated the play and I was I think I would have been totally fine if they did give him more games and all But you know, I also talked about and they I know this doesn't really matter But like I've said this before the guys the sweetheart on a teddy bear off the ice. I mean, I it's it's such a shame Well good point from Sharma too, Kobe. Do you count the Olympics because he didn't hurt Crosby? That wasn't a but that wasn't a dirty play Even Crosby that you take out Matthews. Yeah

33:31All right, Jeff real quick because there is a me. Yeah, I told reamer. We were bringing him on at nine thirty five But he can wait like one extra minute here. Give us the quick Dreamer story before he comes on so I love this one So this this deal was was done at the draft and there were a lot of trying to make beliefs fans that made the trip And Brian Bertig. I'm not telling tales at a school. He's mentioned this on my show before he's talked to me about this He said I was worried that if I if we announced the trade that day that we were going to get booed in the building and so I waited Until I got in the car. I had left the ring then I completed the trade with Paul would have been Paul home And I think with the with the Philadelphia Flyers, but he was concerned about getting booed I remember asking burky Because Luke Shen was obviously like a really super popular player with the Toronto Maple Leafs I said what was it about van Riemstein that you're really liked like what What did it for you? And he said Retrievals on the power play He said the one thing that I'll always think about with James Henry and Sykes

34:33He is a dog on a bone on puck retrievals to extend zone time on the power plays He goes he would extend our power play time like our puck in the zone by you know by minute after minute after minute Because and that's what we needed we were our power play was like come in one shop and then and then we're done He said we needed someone that could retrieve the puck and that was James van Riemstein Loved the funny because you you think of you think of Riemer as this net front ex you know Guy who has basically took the I don't know took the mantle from You know the names you know whether it was Pavell ski whether I know him and Pavell ski were in the lead together for a while But before that, I mean you remember Thomas Holmstrom and Johan fronzen was great around the net Phil Esposito, Dino Cicarelli And he kind of became that guy, but it's funny like I always say with him one of the most underrated parts of his game

35:39And I've watched him closely for years is his passing like he's always been a guy who could score one year I think he had 38 or 39 goals in Toronto I mean that was a big year for him, but but he was he's always in my opinion been an underrated passer even when I played with him There are times where you're like how the hell did he see me, but nobody ever talked about that So I've never really focused on his pucked achievals on the power play And I'm not doubting burky. I'm sure they did their homework when they fleece the Philadelphia flyers on that trade Notice respect to Chen, but that was a fleecing And so I It's an interesting point because he's a great power play player So let's he's he spent a good part of this year on the top power play in Detroit for for for reasons that guys aren't willing to do it He does like he's willing can I request what most wall Do you want your soccer analysis more direct than an arsel set peace join me max russian and the guardians expert soccer journalists for the latest action

36:40And news from the premier league to the champions league and all the way to the world cup We'll have chat more out of the box than a Dominic subbers like pre-kick more panelists than Chelsea have players and unlike the AR We know where to draw the line for fine margins fund debates and full-blooded tackles before weekly Listen wherever you get your podcasts and watch the full episodes on youtube A better help add Hold on One second I just need to Oh What if you had a room where no one interrupts no notifications no expectations just space to talk with better help therapy happens in a space that's yours Visit better help.com slash random podcast for 10% off your first month of online therapy Howdy, howdy ho and welcome to fantasy fanfellas I'm Hayden producer of the fantasy fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things sanderson and i'm steven your bookish internet Goofball, but you can call me the smash daddy and we are currently deep diving Brandon sanderson's fantasy epic

37:45Missborn, but here's the catch Stephen here has not read Missborn before that's right hey hey so each week you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chip and along the way We'll do character deep dives magic explainers and Stephen will even try to guess what's next spoiler alert He'll be wrong news flash. I'm never wrong episodes come out every Wednesday And you can find fantasy fanfellas wherever you get your podcasts Can I request a question before he comes on yeah, you guys ask him Can you ask him? Where he wants point shots Yeah, ask teams and means like one one question, then i'll punt Always curious. I'm fascinating. I guess he's one of my favorite players. I just love him We do four. I'm gonna rise in the NHL. We do four. I'm gonna guess his answer I'm gonna guess his answer Jeff. I'm gonna say to his backhand side to his backhand side Hang on hang on to his backhand side. We can knock it down on his backhand. I think that's why I think he's gonna say Okay, hang on. Okay, Johnny do do the intro. So so So I have a quick question and I'm gonna punt and I'm gonna I'm gonna surrender their show back to him here, Gene

38:51So I'm always curious. What's that? Good to see you. Oh, good to see you too. Good pleasure to be on with you. Hey listen real quick For what you do like dining out in front of the net first of all one of the most dangerous positions to be in the NHL Take your health and tear on hands There's been a trend in the NHL now for a while where pucks from the point have always been along the ice How many times have we all heard keep a low from the point? Keep a low from and that's changed now I remember when John Klingberg started with the Dallas stars all of a sudden He's firing top shelf and the Tyler Seagan's like ducking like whoa whoa whoa put a put a leash on that puppy And it seems now more I remember I had this conversation actually shinedown about it and about where point where they want point shots now And he said we want hip we want hip tip because if it's along the ice the pucks only gonna go one way And it's gonna go up and the goalies can read that we want our point shots coming in at the hip So it can either be tipped down or it can be tipped up and the goalies got a guess I'll ask this question and then I'll punt where do you want shots from the point coming in on the ice or at the hip

39:57Thank you But speaking of the safety in front of the net it was never more unsafe than when beyond so enough was up there shooting I will say that A little bit of friendly fire there from him over the years But I think that's definitely bang on For me it's that that shot between kind of the hip and then the crossbar just because um The goalies obviously are so good at taking away the bottom half of the net now. So um Again, there's there's more kind of chaos and more unpredictability when it can be a little bit higher And then for me, I like it when it's maybe a couple feet outside of my body just because again Those are really hard for the goalies the track and the angle that you can change Becomes a little bit more drastic. So um, yeah, just That and I think combining that with shooting it across a guy's body Another aspect of the goalie having to eventually look behind you and lose the puck for that split second makes it harder So those are kind of the the things that when I'm working on My tips in front and having having to be uh shoot some puck for me that's something I'm always mentioning is trying to shoot it across my body

41:02When you get the chance and just sort of or basically shoot it to the other side that the goal is not looking I mean it seems pretty basic, but um, yeah, those are the two things that I'm looking for So that's a very key detail of that Dreams did you hear great answer? Did you hear him talking about So jet Brian Burr comes on Jeff show regularly Every week for the most part, right? That's a fair statement, right Jeff every week We're talking about when burky made that trade for you And brought you to Toronto and he told Jeff and he's talked about this publicly one of the biggest Areas of your game and one of the biggest reasons he wanted you was your puck retrievals on the power play I've never thought about that or heard that Obviously, I I was talking about how underrated of a passer I mean we've been talking about that for years like you could have another 150 assists in your career If if guys would have buried for you, especially in Be like lots could have another 25 goals

42:06Is that is that something that you realized was lose a focal point that like managers and statistics lend their hand to and you extend your team's power plays Yeah, I think that's part of the role of being around the net front for sure I mean Obviously, there's that fine line of one do you try to play for the rebound one do you try to make a pass or one do you just try to Get your stick on a puck to keep Keep the play alive. I think that is an underrated skill for a lot of players, especially younger players now Just that just that little stab on the puck to just Just to either collect it or get it to your teammate or maybe not a lot of the other team to to clear and I think if you We scored actually our power play goal last night where there was three of us that probably the puck was maybe We weren't able to fully get it under control But we were able to touch it enough so they couldn't clear it and then we're able to get a power play goal out of it So I think that's certainly an underrated skill for a lot of guys to have is just if you can keep plays alive and

43:09That that there's a lot of different kind of skills that maybe are going into that whether that's again Reading with the puck's going to go and retrieving it or knowing the right play to make whether it's to shoot it or how how how hard He release a puck to a guy do you try to go direct you try to rip it around to him in a good spot so he can get the puck with it with his eyes up and I think Yeah, that's that's a big part of it. I think again usually the the quickest The fast as you can get it back to your kind of half wall quarterback That sets you up to have a really good power play because those are the guy You obviously want touch on the puck the most in the game and have them make in the decisions where when they have it So I think that's a key part. I think of any good power play Possession to over position. That was the saying right possession over position The minute the puck's free on the power play. It's possession over position Don't worry about where you're supposed to be just go get that thing. All right. Here come the good questions now Colby Johnny Thanks Jeff

44:10Appreciate it. It's easy Remar, I wanted to ask you about your current line mates. I know you know, the lineup looks a little different You know, Larkin's obviously how cops out And you're playing I think with Marco Casper right now and John Leonard a good friend of mine But there's been a lot of conversation and I'm gonna make this like a general question instead of like about you And the red wing is and it's not about the Rangers. I'm just using the Rangers as an example um It's it's it's because our time in air and you know he leaves and there's been a lot of talk about young guys deferring to a guy like that and deferring to guys and how young guys tend to defer to the veterans and you're playing now with two guys who aren't nearly as experienced in the NHL as you are And I know you probably won't answer this you know Without being very modest and humble, but I'm sure at times they would defer to you But do you remember like being the young guy and just kind of having that like maybe Inside voice putting pressure on you to defer to an older you know more established player Is that something that is you know human nature in the NHL?

45:12Yeah, you know, that's definitely an interesting part of it I think for me when I came up my first linemate was uh Clujeru and obviously we're the same age So that's a little bit different than playing with a guy who's maybe a little bit more of an established Superstar right away. I mean, I was playing a couple shifts there too a couple Games with like Jeff Carter and Mike Richards. So yeah, there is that aspect for sure I mean that at that time I think cards had scored like 40 goals a few years that are also You wanted to it I knew at that point he was obviously going to be the guy That things were going to run through in a way, but at the same time you need to do what you do and Create some space for him. So it's that that fine line of getting getting guys the puck that are uh Again at that level I guess and then But again at the same time you want to play your game and Be able to play off each other too. So there is that a little bit, but I think usually Especially now there's so much communication with guys and that's a that's a key thing to do

46:12It's just talk through different plays and situations and have that be kind of a two-way street So so that you have that chemistry and you're able to go out there and execute at a high level I saw guys when I was between the benches especially in um Chicago guys really always deferred to Kane Um, I mean that that's it's hard not to when you have one of the the goats and one of the greatest And and just watching the game last night Like I still get the chills when Kane scores because he loves scoring to the point where it looks like it's the first goal He's ever scored in his career And I'm curious from the benches standpoint like I know for him. He's had some injuries this year There's been a little bit of up and down. There was talk doesn't make the Olympic team just based on his reputation Like he's just you know, there's been a lot of conversations about him this year when you start to see him Producing at this point of the year when you guys are fighting to maintain your playoff spot

47:13There's obviously been some injuries to some key players The deadline you went out and got a great defenseman So Stevie Y did bring some some ammunition and some help in for you But when he goes off and gets to Does that give the bench like extra life when you guys are you guys looking at each other on the bench like here goes show time like You know, he's about to go off. I mean, I'm curious what that does more than just adds to the scoreboard Yeah, you know, I think you said it just like the passion the juicy has to play the game and I mean he's in year 19 now and the score over 500 goals But yeah, he's still fired up still wants to win still I sit next to him on the plane and we play cards But when we get on the plane he's right there watching his shifts after every game. So it's hard not to like That's infectious for how much he loves the game and how well he wants to do Um, and I think that's that's so great for not only younger players But everyone to be around to see that I mean he's accomplished so much in his career and that experience

48:16He has his invaluable especially to our team right now with kind of the stretch run that we're on and how close everything is so Yeah, I think he's definitely a guy in that way that kind of brings a lot of life to our team and It contributes not only what is kind of on ice stuff, but just kind of the what he brings to the table otherwise What is the mood of the locker room right now like obviously larkens out, you know, it's a big loss for you guys And and things haven't necessarily clicked as well as you wanted to post break as it was leading into break I remember like you guys were on fire kind of going into the break and we maybe said it could have been a bad time Um, and the comfort you had in the playoff races now You know, you're only like three points ahead of like Columbus like it's getting tighter and tighter But does that make it more fun now or is it more nerve wracking like you know You're a guy who's been competing in the playoffs for north of a decade like where are you with with this playoff race right now Yeah, you know, I think for us like For the most part we've been relatively healthy all year so definitely

49:20Feels like a little bit of bad luck. We get a few key guys all heard at the same time Again, that's one of those things that the every team deals with and the and the good teams are able to just find a way Find a way to win so Like you said, these are the most fun games to play in. I mean, this is why you play right now right? It's every every game means so much the the margins are so close. We have teams chasing us down for For the playoffs and with the spot that we're in right now And we're going to be playing all those teams that we're kind of jockeying with in the next couple weeks here So Yeah, this is why you play this is this is the most fun time of the year and the the building gets a little bit of extra kind of electricity in it and the games get a little bit more Kind of highly contested and all the little details become that much more important so So yeah, this is this is the most fun time of the year and this is one you got to really Enjoy the process and enjoy these moments because These are the games that when you kind of look back on your career

50:20These are the games that you you really miss playing and and how do you guys balance the scoreboard watching standings watch versus hey we are currently in a spot So we need to basically control our own destination, you know our own destiny Not everybody gets to control their own destiny this time of year you do if you guys continue to win But look I know how that goes you start looking to see what the other teams did Did Columbus win tonight? You know check check in the box scores pretty quickly right after a game or on an off night like what's the balance that you strike With that especially with these younger guys that Johnny has alluded to like you you're you're an elder statesman and and no larkin That means even more leadership You know, this is why they brought you here not just to produce but to be a leader I mean you've been that way in every locker room for god knows how long right so You know, what is that balance with with this team?

51:21Yeah, I mean, obviously there's the the human element of it of Seeing where everyone else is around you, but but like you said like we're in a great spot where we control our own destiny And and like I just mentioned we play a lot of the teams that we're kind of jockeying for position with so that just makes those games even That much bigger for us and Yeah, it's it's nice to be a position where again, you know, you gotta just go handle your business and You don't have to necessarily rely on other teams to to slip or help from different teams down the stretch and We're in a good spot that way where again, we're playing all the teams we're competing with and we're in a spot right now Where we hold the play out position. So now it's up to us to just go execute and go go finish things out and do what we need to do Remar, I want to ask you about two different teams if I can and I don't know if it's like Tough to answer this one because you played Colorado in a home and home before the break And then you played Dallas, you know a couple games you'll hear after the break

52:25But these are two teams and we were talking about Dallas a little bit yesterday at how good they've been You know, especially like in between that pre-Rake pros break, you know They won like 10 games in a row 11 games in a row. I know they lost last night But when you play against Dallas and Colorado Do you feel like they are closer together than they are far up like I feel like Dallas isn't getting enough credit as Colorado is like I think most people including us have already considered Colorado to be the Stanley Cup favorite because of what they are on paper but Dallas is Like they've been so fucking good all your long and not getting nearly the love the Colorado has So I'm curious just for you who's played against both of them recently If you see a drastic difference between the two teams at all Yeah, you know, that's a that's a good question You know, we obviously just played the stars too. They were missing missing a few guys, but Yeah, you could just tell like their veteran team was had success and had some good runs the last few years with the with the way they play and

53:27There seems to be no sort of panic in their game and just they take care of the little details on the ice and Make it tough on you. So yeah, they're they're Play that way and then obviously a team like Colorado to where Again, similarly where they have a lot of firepower to add in a bunch of different pieces at the deadline now, so a little bit different mix that they have, but Yeah, I think two teams They've been kind of right at that class of the league for the last two years played each other in the playoffs and And they're it seems like again like Those are two teams where they're again That rivalry that they kind of have and how tight that division is especially at the top is uh makes it fun fun for hockey and kind of fun fun to watch and just I remember watching some of those playoff Both of their different sort of series the last couple years and just again, just the level up there at is pretty impressive So

54:27Reims, I want to kind of jump around with you a little bit about some of the things going on around the league I mean we were talking about the hit on Austin Matthews, you know both those guys were your teammates Um, I was talking about I was talking about how Unfortunate it is with a guy like Radco who has this reputation that you know, he he's deservedly so on the ice You know, they call him the butcher and but I was also first one to call out that he's just this You know, this sweet sweet guy off the ice who's who's who's a who's a great parent and and you know I we were neighbors in waterfront square So I spent so much time with him over the years and and it's awful to see the outcome of a play like that um All or uh Connormick david speaks out and says the process for player safety needs to be looked at obviously Connormick david also represented by the same agent That uh Austin Matthews is represented by and you may be represented by now that I'm saying it out loud

55:30I think when you made your switch that's where you went So you can see some of the connection points there What are your thoughts on mcdavids comments like is that is that something you'd like to see looked at and talked about a little bit Because right now we've kind of just had this one process It's been the process forever. I personally don't think there's a good way to do this I just think no matter what everybody's always going to be angry at this But do you think this is a process that needs to just be revisited and talked about and maybe there needs to be more transparency Behind these decisions and whatnot or do you feel like this is just a lose-lose situation no matter who's in charge Yeah, you know what it is a tough thing because the best case scenario no matter what happens You're probably gonna have 50% of people that Hate your decision no matter what so that's kind of already going to be a low A low success rate as far as uh that goes so I don't know. I feel like for the way the the process is now and

56:36It's tough. It's it's a tough job. It's a thankless job for sure I don't know there's always things I feel like that maybe can be revisited to see um Just if there's ways to do things better and maybe more transparent and um Well, you know, I like like like we just said before it is one of those things that it is is tough because Usually when these plays happen you have people on the one side of the other and At that that best case scenario you're gonna have half of them Maybe you're gonna have both people upset You know, it's very rare that everyone's kind of happy going into these scenarios and uh and situations and Things happen fast and and quick out there too and that's obviously sometimes tough to know the intent of what's what's happening um, but yeah, I mean Ultimately, I think The more the more the more transparent this part of the process can be and the more understanding there is all around I think it just will at least you at least people can understand what's going into the decisions and Maybe that's I don't know if that's more about the process or if there can be maybe more education

57:40About it so people understand what's going into the the decisions, but um Again, a lot of these plays are happening where it's like it's a very emotional thing too like guys are There's injuries and and things like that. So uh, it's there's lots of uh things that feel like aspects that go into it That make it a very hard process To man, so I don't know if I really have a good answer for how to make everyone happy but Usually around these plays It's like I mentioned before best case scenario is you're gonna have half the people think you're an idiot no matter what So it's a hard thing Do you guys remember was was were people this angry when Brendan shanick like I've always said this so I I Had an opportunity to get to know George parles over the years and This isn't gonna be a popular comment, but I find the guy to be really smart. I mean I every conversation. I've ever had with him Even when it comes to these suspensions and things He always gives me a very reasonable well thought out here's why we did what we did now

58:43I don't always walk away agreeing with him But I always walk away respecting the thoroughness and all the different thought points that they go through with this But I can't remember How people felt about Brendan shanahan when he was in charge of this like was it the same outrage? I feel like it's kind of always been a similar sort of thing like I'm okay These are it's emotional things like you're gonna have either a guy getting hurt or and the team's gonna be missing A player for that reason and clearly on the other end of it like if you get a guy suspended like in a team is missing that player too Like there's it's it's an emotional thing and especially again as you get Later in the year when there's more the playoff implications start to happen and things like that So I it's it's a hard thing for sure So I don't pretend to have any solutions for it But I don't know again, it's one of those things when Usually when there's higher profile things that happen it It may be I don't know it's never a bad thing. I feel like to

59:45Maybe just revisit the process and see if there's things to clean up in it and make it make the process a little bit better But again at the end of the day like it like we just said it's like You The best case scenario you're gonna have maybe half the people happy with you have to have that base happy one So it's it's a tough thing for sure Feel free to tell me to fuck off. I probably should have looked this up while you were talking reaver But have you ever been suspended or fine? Like did you ever get a hearing or anything? I feel like you're too nice I actually I know you know what I have One fine in my career. Um, okay. What'd you do actually? It was I was a play and when I was in Philly We're going in for a puck in the corner It was me and Alec Martinez and he kind of bumped me off balance So I was like falling down and my stick swung around and I caught him like pretty much right in the jaw So I think I don't know if I if I lie I We and we we had the same agent forever so no I had to do it before I had so I felt

1:00:46Pretty bad. I can't remember if you ended up losing any teeth But I definitely uh that was unfortunate accident right after or what um, yeah Oh, yeah, I'm like jeez like I Hopefully that wasn't too bad, but I can't remember if you say you lost any teeth or anything But it was one of those things where I kind of lost my balance and was falling down and my stick like helicopter and caught him so So I got a little $5,000 fine. I think it was You're expecting it throw that one on the board. Go away Were you expecting the fine Uh, not necessarily just because again, it was one of those plays where I know it was definitely a dangerous play But I was walking around again. I thought I was falling down and um Yeah, I actually haven't seen I haven't seen the clip in a few years And also maybe you guys can do the judge for next time we uh we chat if you can I'm sure Vick's looking somewhere I want to But yeah, that's what I felt bad about it I want to ask our chat because again We're all sitting here and we're all very critical and that's fine and fair listen You want you want to be in the spotlight you want a big job like you want to be in pro sports

1:01:51You're going to get criticized Who would you all put in charge of play? Hopefully I think fix got it Okay, that's fine. He can run it But I'm asking the chat a question. Who would you put in player safety? Who do you want to be in charge? Because I do agree with reamer. You're starting at 50% You're you don't even get to start at 100% And then the other pushback that I want to give the chat on this is that It's like you guys are saying the only person that thinks perils is doing a good job is Gary Bettman If the owners and the GMs were completely against the work that George perils was doing He wouldn't still have that job So yes, I get it the like Twitter's angry an agent right now is angry a fan base is angry But like you got to come up with a solution you can't just yell and say we hate it. We hate it Who do you put in that role? Okay, some of the names chris pronger is a great name Why would chris pronger take that job and like why I mean like there's there's I would bet

1:02:56There's no chance he would say yes that didn't you play with pronger and philly reamer? I wasn't I think he was in that department for a little bit too When he was just just retiring so I think he was doing some stuff within that so Yeah, he's been in the mix there in the past I don't I don't think he was Like the the final head decision maker, but I think he was on the back They're kind of growing in a street back because obviously he had some tricks of the trade from when he was playing So he knew he knew exactly what guy tricks of the trade is a real nice way to put it I might put some more work on Vicks play, but like while we're talking about it There was a really controversial hit with Trevor in the playoffs to yours. You know with Matt Rempi If you remember that hit we're Trevor I think even I think he even said like after the fact though I know Cap's fans wanted Rempi suspended for the rest of the series But I think you're ever said something about terrible hit No, but Trevor said something about like doing a shoulder check or something I don't know if he did a shoulder check like what do you remember what he said after that? I remember Yeah, it's well that's first of all like that's a guy you just kind of know when he's on the ice

1:03:59And I know my brother say that too. So that's that's again The math of when you're playing here is a little different one That's so dirty. I have a That is a disgustingly dirty hit Johnny like he should have been out of playoff. That was you know It's definitely I love it in the moment probably a little bit late. It's uh Yeah, a little bit late on that one, but line side. Yeah, I know Trevor was saying too like yeah Well again, it's yeah, I know Trevor was a kid knowing who's on the ice is a big big sort of thing. So Yeah, and I know that's uh, but no, that's that's definitely probably a touch jet touchy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's actually definitely looks worse now than I did to you Doesn't look good or slow motion either. I could say that. No, they never do. I always say Nothing looks good in slow motion. I mean you could take a pretty harmless look and hit and make it look like Murderers row and slow motion

1:05:00Reims I know we kept you for a while today. We appreciate it. It's been a minute since we were able to catch up with you I know you guys have a pretty important stretch here over the next couple of games. So we'll be Keeping an eye on on the wing wheel here to see if you guys can can continue to push forward and wait for a little bit of reinforcements We will definitely try to get you on at least one or two more times before playoffs Obviously once that starts it gets a little more difficult, but um as always we appreciate your time I know we went in some different directions say I actually really thought that was a great question by Jeff I wanted to give your answer on that. I mean, I uh, I wanted to know what you were gonna say when when he asked you that question So I thought that was a really interesting question and sparks really good debate. I actually didn't know that story either That I know he said burky was talking about that um, yeah, I didn't know that that's he'd ever I'm still So keep in touch with burpees great and Obviously forever be grateful for um for for uh for give me that opportunity. He didn't Toronto and oh

1:06:01That kind of really springboarded my uh career But no, he had never mentioned that was like a key of why he or one of the things. I guess he was Thinking of when when they brought me to Toronto. So yeah, Colby. Why don't you make the drive down April 4th? Rangers 30 30 in the afternoon Tuddy T says I booed you and Philly sorry pal. It's just a business He said he says he says that Tuddy T is an angry flyers fan. He's here every day. So we love him And then we've got we've got willy styles in our in our chat Dreamer who's been asking me to ask you for an autograph Um, so we just got to send it send it to the red what are they people do they send it to the red wings front office And they just put your name on it right? Isn't that kind of what I believe so yeah That's usually how it goes. Yeah, so they'll they'll take care of it if it gets Willie Willie send it Send it to the red wings front office It'll get to reamer put something about morning cup of hockey on the envelope

1:07:02That way he knows he absolutely has to sign it for you. He will do it for you. He will personalize it He'll probably throw a hundred dollar bill and he's such a good guy Just send it send it to the to the new Joe Lewis arena there. I know that's not what it's called But uh just send it his way and he'll take care of it for you. Don't worry little willy. He'll get he'll Little willies him in a soda guy. He says he grew up in the same neighborhood as as your wife Yeah, he's he's a big he's a big JVR guy All right. Love it So thanks right now. Appreciate it. See you soon. See you in two weeks. Yeah All righty. Where to now or should we just wrap up the show anything else you want to talk about this morning I mean the penarence of yesterday. I don't know if you caught it. It was great like He was awesome and what what do you smile at? I I'm laughing it I think was a David Pignoda who posted something on social Oh, yeah, that's so good. Like me and penaren wondering what the hell this idiot's talking about or something when you

1:08:04Yeah, when you um when you posted the question or whatever is did that was dp right Yeah, he said like uh me and our tiny penaren wondering what the fuck Johnny was talking about And there's just like them with a blank stare, but it was it was good stuff But I just thought it was really cool that our tiny penaren like spoke on camera yesterday I know I got a lot of questions from rangers fans and I answered one of them on twitter Because penaren didn't really do anything on camera in his seven years here Just because you know the english language and some guys aren't comfortable doing it when the pressure's on so You know, he told the reporters yesterday, you know, we're obviously pretty like I'm not gonna say close Like we're not all friends, but like you know, we have a good working relationship with him and over the last three years I've gotten to know penaren decently well just from the locker of interactions and He said he wanted to be on camera for the new york media and for rangers fans because you know He was very emotional yesterday and it was uh really cool to see him go out on the ice after the fact after the game and take pictures with a group of ranger fans but it was

1:09:06It was interesting just to hear his perspective on the whole thing and the trade and um talked to him You know firsthand after everything went down, but it was a great night at msg last night And you know the kings right now are are right in it. They're tied with Seattle They're on the outside. They're under the line But they're in the playoff race even though they look like shit coming out of the break so There it seemed to watch out for here. Colby as we head down to the end of the season If uh if you had to make a bet before we do get into bet 365 would you bet that The red wings are a playoff team this year like do you have the red wings? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah You have men I know that's not but I'm just saying in general like just to finish the the conversation about readings like do you have them in Yeah, I do I don't think Ottawa or Philly gets in um no Philly's not going to get in unfortunately They're going to come I would actually I Think Montreal would drop over Detroit. I could see Montreal dropping

1:10:07Just because goal technique. That would not just because we I don't know though Like you never know though between Dolvish and Fowler like I feel like you have strong enough a strong enough duo that you can work your way in I mean, I loved I look I know they lost the other day She's choking good. Well the choice the choice got Montreal on Thursday the Canadians who do they play tonight? I think they play tonight as well Montreal plays against Boston tonight. That's a huge game So we do have a great slate tonight In the NHL there's nine games Yeah, we got Carolina and Columbus as well. That's another good game Minnesota. Well, Minnesota Chicago's not a great game But when a peg Nashville also a big game for playoff and vacation San Jose and Edmonton tonight's a really really good slate Of hockey Even the Kraken lightning game is pretty big too because the lightning and Buffalo are battling for that first spot in the Atlantic Before we do out west or excuse me before we do bet three six five Though Colby, I do want to give a quick shout to our sponsor out west spring is finally here

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1:12:10I was commenting on that game last night between the devils and And I thought that was a great overtime it ends with six seconds left It was it was jack use He stayed on the ice for half of overtime and then mason lore. I had like an incredible three-minute shift in overtime He he made like three good defensive plays two blocks. I was actually really impressed with With mason lore and overtime last night, but then you know the devils just made a play at the end and and took advantage of a But but I'll tell you like, you know, I mean look Charlie McAvoy is is can do no wrong. I love I love Charlie McAvoy But he had a he had a tough game couple of tough plays that that ended up with pucks in the back of the net for his team So I'm sure he'll want to rebound for that game tonight You know they play back to back, but you asked me which game will I have my eyes glued to tonight? Yeah, I didn't say Buffalo or Vegas too. That's a great game also

1:13:12I mean look anytime Boston and Montreal play like I have this sort of pull um I I wonder if Sasha blavare is gonna play for the black oxenate. I don't think he can know maybe because of visa issues I don't think he can play. I'm really interested to see what he looks like in an NHL like uniform Is it gonna be a continuation of of what he did this year or is he just flipping a switch like I have no idea Um, I think shark. What do you not have a visa though? What do you not have a visa if you different type of VL? It's a it's a different it goes from a student visa to a to a like a Green you know, whatever the working visa would be. I don't know what the um what the actual like names of it is So he probably can't play I probably won't see any of those 10 p.m. Puck drops all those sabers golden nights would be a good one But I will definitely I I'll want to see celebrity trying to go head-to-head against McDaniel Yeah, I mean that and not to mention with the you know with Connor angrium being named starter now that to me that whole situation gets a little bit more interesting

1:14:21Because like what happens now if he plays a couple of if he games in a row. What do you do? You know? You know, I think the islanders they need to take care of business against the Maple Leafs like these are the types of games you have to win The Maple Leafs are basically now just playing with house money. They know everybody's probably going They're without their captain guys are gonna get more opportunities than they normally do You know the Blue Jackets They'll want to continue to get back on the right track. I think they dropped one either last night of the night before After Pretty a pretty impressive streak without many losses So Yeah, I don't know. I'll probably start with Bruins Bruins Canadians though for at least I'd say the first half of that game You know me. I don't I'm not as big of a bouncer when it comes to a big game night as you are I like to kind of lock in on one game. So probably where probably where I'll I'll spend a majority of the early Part of the night until Sharks Oilers. What about you?

1:15:23Um, I'll probably focus it on Sharks Oilers. I'm actually hopping on the ice early tonight I'm getting into a new like one of my friend Sam Sternshine who played at Penn State and Boston college a little bit of pro two I remember He's doing this like on ice training company. So he needs some help. So every Tuesday night I'll be on the ice helping out kids training kids, you know like pretty elite kids to like triple A players You know, he skates some of the pro guys in the summer. So I'm trying to get back on the ice a little bit more and start and start coaching a little bit Colby. I'm following in your footsteps again. Everything you do. I'm excited Wait, can we talk about that whole Wittenbach thing yesterday that Ethan Wittenbach tweet. Yeah, I'm like Like and that got dumber and dumber as that guy then said Quinnipiac has been known for stashing guys in the bchl and not having them play in the best league in the ushl

1:16:23Because they were worried that their players were going to get poached like wake up the Quinnipiac has become A national powerhouse of a team. They have an i l They have unbelievable facilities. They have top 10 every one of The best head coaches assisting coaches and strength coaches in all of college hockey There's a reason pectoral does done world juniors their strength coaches Unbelievable right Patel is his last name. The guy is a brain scientist. Okay, they've been Turning out NHL players year after year like every year for the last five or six years I'm watching Clifton play last night laughing as he's dropping Zach Metsa graph graphs. I mean the reason a lot of these Quinnipiac kids Don't play in the ushl Is because Ran pectoral has been known to go out and find good players

1:17:26And I'll give Joe Dume a lot of credit here too and turn them into great players Okay, like take good college players and help them become NHLers rather than going and getting the slam dunk Right and and you know the top top talent they build a culture I will say and they don't want the one and done They don't want the one and done. I get defensive when I see slander against the Quinnipiac bobcat program I mean they've won an national championship in the last Five years. Okay, BUNVC have not okay. Let's just let I'm they're in the tournament every year every single year If you look over the last 10 or 15 years, I guarantee you wins. I bet you there on the top Three to four in wins in the NCAA tournament Um in the sorry overall wins in the NCAA in the last 15 seasons. Okay, I agree They have a thriving NIL program. They just don't talk about it. They don't they don't throw seven or eight hundred thousand at

1:18:31Anyone, right? But so seeing that tweet made me think like this guy is an idiot and just looking for for um Attention he got his attention But everybody thinks that that guy is a total clown now for tweeting that about Wittenbach and My response to that was when does a star player leave Quinnipiac? When is that ever happened? It doesn't happen They lose high-end young players to the portal. They're not one of those programs. So I I was like what am I reading when I saw that whole thing that was dumb By that western hockey league scout or whatever that guy's Twitter handle was that so Everyone's a scout, you know, like give me a fucking break. So I just uh, yeah, it's a clarify everything too Like I tweeted it to to debunk it right away. I think everyone knows it's pretty well documented now that I'm very tight with Wittenbach and his agents and whatnot Like he's either staying at Quinnipiac or signing like that's it

1:19:35He's not okay to transfer portal Uh Just like uh, is it the puck agency? I think that's what they're called like John Aussie 2 2. You know him got it Yeah, he seems to be getting a lot of good kids from that area. Heygins is Um, yeah, he seemed to be you see I played against him when we were kids He was on the Long Island Royals. I mean how could you can't forget the last name Aussie 2 2 like and he was a good player To to to to be I mean when we were like young hockey players He was a very very good player him and he had a he had a running made on those long island royal teams that His name was the last name was stone. They were really really good youth hockey players. So Yeah, that whole thing I personally don't think Wittenbach should sign. I think the playoffs against Clarkson It shows like hey like the next level of big heavy heavy hockey like Clarkson plays is probably um Is probably a reason for him to spend one more year

1:20:36Sam lived in in my opinion left a little premature. He did two years. I believe not one Um, and then he signed but I I think eat again not my career whatever Yeah, I'd love to see him come back for his sophomore year and and tear it up again Just continue to develop his game away from the puck almost like Colin grafted like and then go and make sure You go right to the NHL and you don't end up playing for the Wranglers and no disrespect to the HL my whole career was in that league Yeah, well plus that new arena too like what's the rush right? Skip skip the American League if you can spend that extra year in in in college getting better um and then Go to the national hockey league after that, you know, so um and I also listen I want to see Wittenbach make noise in the NCAA tournament. I really do. I mean we you know We see these guys that have big regular seasons and I'm not just talking about him like you don't you You don't want to see those guys get silenced. I want to see

1:21:39Higgins get to the tournament this year like I want to see Higgins if he's truly ready to go play for um If he's truly ready to go help the Bruins and maybe he is like maybe he is I want to see you come into the the hockey East tournament and be the best damn player and drag Boston college And Dean latino as well Those two players need to drag their team into the NCAA tournament right now And that's what I want to see and if Higgins does that and he can go on a nice run and and have a couple of wins You know what you're ready go do it same for latino But I do want to see you do that in the biggest time of the year in the NCAA tournament before I'm like okay Yeah, you should go 100% that'll be an interesting situation But I'm glad you you've sort of put like I didn't even have to know anybody to know yeah Wittenback is not transferring He's one of those little kids there is no he's neither going to be a bobcat or he's going to be a flame

1:22:40He ain't transferring to go anywhere. I hope he's a bobcat. I hope he's a bobcat. So yeah Colonel Ludlow. I will say to Augustine stay one more year go ahead Johnny finish your thoughts. No, no We'll hit the Augustine comment. I was just gonna say I'll be at the frozen for also I know we kind of I think we talked about it on the show yesterday like you and I will both be the frozen for So if anyone's in Vegas, we always love to meet the people that listen to our show We're gonna try to work on maybe talking to some guests there Maybe doing a live show there So that's something to keep an eye on in the next like two three weeks Always fun when I see you in person and We have to shoot the shit together and whatnot. Yeah, are you gonna are you gonna fly in? Do you have to figure that out? I'd figure that out Wednesday and Thursday We'll be in the same city. So maybe I mean listen, it's gonna be 6 a.m. Vegas time But but to be honest you know those are busy days. So it's not like we can do the show much later I'm wondering if we try to do a show just do it in the same room

1:23:40We will we'll have to get one of those Mike thingies those like Mike splitters. So we can have two mics running off a one computer but we might have to We might we might have to work that out so we could actually just do our show Yeah, same room. Yeah, I mean Jeremiah, we're not like doing like a live show. We meant like just us two in the same room. Not like yeah Not like a perfection Ryan Ryan lot in our chat is asking our thoughts on the ACHA tournament if we have any I didn't see it Yeah, I didn't see it look. I would love it if the ACHA tournament was on CBS sports I would turn it on like I would have no issues with that It's just hard when a lot of those events are are internet only and I know streaming and internet has become the way But you know, I'm like sitting in the playroom with my kids right now getting slashed in the fingers by my son who thinks a hockey stick is a weapon Um, and he's just a wild man with it But so if I can have the game on the TV in the background that's great, but hard to go search it out. So

1:24:45um, I didn't see the ACHA tournament I do think highly of of you know, UNLV. We've seen what they can do Um, we know the top leagues in the ACHA are good hockey teams good hockey programs. They have a lot of fun Uh, they get a lot of fans. So we learned that lesson the hard way after we said club hockey is not college hockey last year Yeah, well, I mean, I said I said it is college hockey. I'm not changing my tune that club hockey is not even close to division one hockey I'm not changing my tune on that But club hockey is fucking awesome too. Yeah, the top programs are good Can be can be can be true. Um, they can be true. So yeah, and as Tutti T says there's only so much we can cover I mean like we uh, we do try to keep our eyes on a lot of hockey. I mean, Johnny I know you you know, you're a college hockey analyst. So you should know every player in college hockey Across the channels here, buddy. I mean come on man. I don't even watch I don't even watch some of the top teams in college hockey I don't have time like I like someone asked me about Brodie Lam and I was like

1:25:48I don't think I watched a single Minnesota game all year this year I didn't see them like I don't have time Well, I watch the teams that I cover and the leagues that I cover like that I'm paid to do and uh, you know what though? Like Bootsie will be on the call for the frozen for the championship game for the women's right and if Caroline Harvey and Leila Edwards are planning it you can bet your ass. I'll be watching especially Caroline Harvey. I fucking love Yeah, we're we're doing the men's NCA selection show on Sunday at three o'clock And that will lead into the women's national championship game Um, that will that will lead into that which will be at four p.m I think a lot of people expect to see Wisconsin women against Ohio State for the third Year in a row and I know there's been some I don't want to say controversy But noise around that that Leila Edwards girl because she's gonna play forward Instead of defense and she played defense the last couple of games played defense At the Olympics um, but look the Olympics Opened our eyes to a lot of these players. I mean me like I know a lot of the retired female players like you know

1:26:54Megan Duggan and Brianna Decker and you know to see Carpenter and Hillary still out there um, you know the elder statesman of the team. I mean those are the girls that know and the young new young ones like we're learning all about those girls now There's obviously some talented ones. So uh, I'm actually covering that The New York sirens game at msg on April 4th. I mean I haven't gotten official confirmation But I believe I will be covering it um sold out game and i'm sg for the pwhl on April 4th be really cool at night Saturday night All right Remember did we do bet and do bet no way did not we did not do it uh also have like a uh another I do have an announcement Which is something I want to promote for a little bit later, but before we do that We will get into our bet of the night presented by bet 365 so hockey fans there are a few things more stressful Then a close hockey game one late backcheck could make all the difference between a chance at playoff glory Or an early spring t-time. That's why bet 365 an official partner of the nhl is offering Three-goal early payout at the team your riding goes up three goals at any point in the game

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