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1:02walks or early morning runs. And Birdie Box is her portable door alarm for the dorm door. It mounts in 30 seconds and sounds the instant that door opens. She's birdie is the safety brand trusted by over 4 million women worldwide. Get the college safety bundle by She's Birdie and save big when you bundle. It's She's Birdie dot com. That's s-h-e-s-b-i-r-d-i-e dot com. This is the Kooner Report. I'm Sandy Shack. We're going to go right back to our discussion. But first, we have to take a minute for something we call truth or troll. And now America's favorite game show where you get to decide on the Kooner Report. This is Truth or Troll. Today's entry for Truth or Troll comes from Caitlin Jenner, who went on the Planet Tyres podcast and decided to try to hint at maybe starting a WNBA career.

2:03Ennis and I have talked on the phone quite a few times and I even told one time I said, Ennis, this is a couple of weeks ago. Ennis, I'm like a real trans person. Maybe they should sign up. Yeah, for the 27 WNBA draft. I would love that. I think that would be genius. I think Caitlin Jenner should go up because what are they going to say to her? Seriously, what are they going to say to her? Well, that's a thing. And I mean, on top of it, like, with her being trans, that like shuts everybody up who is really, really pissed off about this whole thing. How old is she now? I'll just Caitlin Jenner. That's a very good question. Is that to me would be the only issue is, is Ken she keep up? But she's always been, you know, she was a world, she was an Olympian as Bruce Jenner. She was, you know, always in great shape.

3:05So I'm thinking that I'm thinking that she may be laughing, talking to Tyres about this, but I'm thinking that there was some truth to that. I would so freaking love to see that because I think, I think if she's still in shape and I have no idea if she is or not, she could wipe the floor and maybe prove a point at the time. She's 76 years old. What do you think? Kind of 76, 76 year old athlete compete in the WNBA? I'm not so sure. I don't know either. It's, it's, I don't know what kind of shape she is. You know, I mean, I feel like she could do it. I'm not sure she could do it now, but I think there's a spec of truth in there. I don't think that's a complete troll. Yeah, I feel like her knees would give out. I know, like I know my knees would probably give out if I went and played any sort of basketball game, but I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would be really funny. I think it's, I think there's a grain of truth in there. So if you want to take our poll, we're going truth or troll. You can take it at X at the Kooner report. You can also go to WRKO dot com slash Kooner and you'll see the truth or troll there.

4:10And we do this every Wednesday at the same time. And you can weigh in and we'll see a little bit later how people think was Caitlyn Jenner telling the truth or was she trolling the WNBA? I'm hoping she was telling the truth because I might find that really entertaining. I might actually watch the, I don't watch the WNBA to be honest with you, but I might for that. But in any event, thank you so much, Mike. I appreciate it very much. So we're going to go back to our discussion over what's happening in New Jersey where a school district is refusing to abide by a Supreme Court precedent that says parents have the right to know what is going on with their children. The school board maintains that state guidelines would say you can keep the students, gender identity choices, a secret from parents. And that child's privacy rights are more important than the parents rights or it's the Supreme Court decisions, I guess, for that matter. And before we went to the break, we were speaking with Mark in Walpole. Mark, I'm sorry we got interrupted. Please continue. Well, it comes down to money, right?

5:13Yeah. The school district constantly wants money. Walpole did an extension, Norwood did an extension, Newton North built a $20 million brand new school, Lexington built a brand new school, all these school systems that take more and more tax dollars to teach, to, for the excuse that we need to place a teach kids, but what are you teaching them? You're not teaching them anything that's viable in their future. Computer science, AI, nothing. And you've seen Mike, haven't you had the, what the numbers are regarding, you know, student's ability to do basic reading and math, reading, writing arithmetic, it's appalling. It's appalling. And that is what all that, you know, so all that money going to these brand new schools that teach nothing, instead of teaching basic skills, they seem to be, you know, teaching a work is them, and which is not really useful in the real world, you know?

6:15Yeah, the calculus professor who was crying saying that he had to go back to remedial math because his students didn't even know basic math. That's just, it's appalling in my eyes and where, and I have a daughter coming and the amount of money that I know that I'm going to need to spend for private school and is already awaiting lists, just, at the private school, I want to send them him. My daughter's not born yet, but I'm going to have to worry about her to an half years, three years from now. So this is, and then where's my tax dollars going, that my tax dollars mean nothing to the school system? I think Massachusetts, where Mara Healy says, we are the most collegiate and educational system. No, we're not. She lied. She lied. It's terrible. And the numbers don't lie. Kids are being failed.

7:15And it's awful. It is awful. Now, what privacy rights do you plan on giving your daughter who's coming? My son and my daughter, I feel that, like my wife and I, this is not a democracy. My wife is the mother and I am the father, period, and the story. Yeah. My parents made it clear, Mike, that they were not our friends. We're not your buddies. We're not your friends. We're your parents. We love you more than anybody in the face of God's Earth, but we're your parents, which means we're going to tick you off periodically because we're going to have to do what we think is best for you, not necessarily what you think is best for you. And they made that clear very, very early on. And I could not have had a better childhood or better parents. They were stupendous. And they gave me a huge step up in life. They installed me a work ethic and a value of, you know, I believed in education and I believed in hard work and I believed in giving back.

8:17And my parents did that. The schools didn't do that. The schools assisted, but they weren't the ones that gave me direction. That was my parents. And I think that's what parents are supposed to do. And I had zero, zero privacy. I write up into the time I moved out. So it was, you know, if you lived in my parents' roof, they knew what was going on, end of discussion. And if they asked you a question, you answered it and you better answer it, truthfully, because they'd find out if you didn't. So that's how I was raised. And I apparently now, according to the new guidelines out there, my parents were beasts. How were your parents, Mike? Funding your girl off to college? She's birdie gets it. You've packed the sheets, the caddy, the mini-fridge, but the one thing you can't stop thinking about is her safety when you're not there. That's why she's birdie made the college safety bundle. Three tools that cover almost every scenario campus throws at her. Birdie 3.0 is her everyday key chain alarm. One poll activates a 130 decibel siren as loud as a jet engine.

9:20Birdie Disc is a safety light and alarm that clips on hands-free for visibility for late night walks or early morning runs. And Birdie Box is her portable door alarm for the dorm door. It mounts in 30 seconds and sounds the instant that door opens. She's birdie is the safety brand trusted by over 4 million women worldwide. Get the college safety bundle by She's birdie and save big when you bundle. Visit She's birdie dot com. That's s h e s b i r d i e dot com. Our poll question today is should schools be allowed to withhold any personal information from parents of minor children, 98% currently say no. And that's pretty interesting to me because there is a school district in New Jersey that says absolutely they can do it. You know, screw you, screw the parents, and screw the Supreme Court, which says they can't. That's what's happening right now. And I want to know what you think. Do you think that that's ever a good time?

10:21There's ever an appropriate moment when a school can keep information regarding your child from you. And the fact that they're revering privacy rights of children, I wasn't aware that children had privacy rights. I mean, I didn't as a child and I didn't come out scarred from that. And I'm wondering at what age do you think privacy rights attached to children? 3, 18, what is it that is, that is okay for a child or maybe it's never okay for a child to have secrets in their parents. The text line is 70470. Let's see, on the text line, 508 says the left thing that kids are their kids, which is how communist view things. That's true. Notice how damage push universal child care, they want to start indoctrination as early as possible to make good little social justice warriors. Yeah, I see that happening. And I think a couple of parents who have called in and said they see that happening too. 508 says in some public schools, teachers are forced to put newspaper on the floor for

11:26their students who believe they are wild animals to publicly relieve themselves. Yeah, I think in that point, those people just need to go to a hospital or a clinic of some kind. And I don't think you allow that in the mainstream. I agree with acceptance and diversity to a certain extent, but there's a line over which it becomes the theater of the absurd. That is without a doubt what that is right there. That is in fact theater of the absurd. So I want to know what you think. Is it okay for a school to ever keep a secret from you regarding your child? Let's go to Maggie and Amesbury. Maggie, welcome to WRKO. How are you? Oh, good, Sandy. How are you today? I'm fine. Thank you. I wanted to comment. So my parents had raised nine kids and, you know, I'm dating myself. But this is back in the 70s, most of us were in school. And my mom, I mean, I was embarrassed in the day, right?

12:29But looking back, she was really amazing. She started a parent advisory committee in town. And so there wasn't much that went on in the schools that she didn't know about. I mean, she had kids in, you know, almost every grade. But she was down there. She got out of the parent. She worked with the school board. She knew what the curriculum was. If there was an issue, I remember a couple of teachers. Probably different things that happened along the way. But she could go down to the school. And if it was an appropriate in class, she'd be down there. So I guess what I'm saying is parents have the power. And there is no way in, you know, heck, I would allow the government to be teaching my child something that I disagreed with. And another thing is these days you can't give children a Tylenol in school without parental permission. So where is this coming from? I mean, if the Supreme Court made a decision, this should be in no brainer. Those parents in New Jersey, I'd be up in arms. I'd be taking that case all the way. So, you know, parents, don't forget you have power. These are your children.

13:30No way does the government get to have that say? Well, you know, sometimes Maggie, when you have parents that are up in arms, it escalates really badly. There was a case from China, I remember what state it was in that I was reading about a couple weeks ago, where a parent was up in arms and said something like, what the hell is going on here? And they banned the parent from coming anywhere near the school. And that even meant to their own child's graduation. And they were talking middle school. We're not talking like high school. And it was, and they were not allowed anywhere on campus. And they were thrown off by security. I mean, so there is a very draconian approach to parents in this case, which is why parents like this, like these people in New Jersey felt compelled to file a lawsuit because in federal court, not even in state court, they're not screwing around with state court, they're going to write to federal court. And I think that was the right place to go because there are Supreme Court cases now on point with this who say parents have rights in this case.

14:32And in particular, parents have rights. They're just just a couple months ago. Parents have rights. This is the mom, who versus Taylor case or Taylor versus mom. I don't know which, I forget which order it goes in. But where the Supreme Court held that you cannot teach a child an LGBTQ curriculum without permission of the parents. And parents have the right to say no to that. And so that's a case that I think is pretty closely allied with what's going on in New Jersey because the New Jersey, this whole issue has arisen over the fact that the school feels it can keep secret from the parents. What if their child decides to change their name, their gender identity, use a different locker room, use a different restroom. And it's the guidance counselor that decides whether to tell the parents or not. I mean, no offense, but you know, it's my child. You tell me that I have the choice whether to keep my child in that school or not. That's what it comes down to and they don't want that.

15:35They want, you know, they're nice little indoctrinated kids and they don't want kids to rely upon their parents. They don't want their kids, you know, basically having a solid relationship with their parents or they wouldn't do that. And why, why, Maggie, why do you think it is that they are, that they want to destroy that relationship? You know, I can't figure that out, see, and you accept that they are brainwashing these kids to against biology. You can, you can dress as a girl, you can dress as a boy, I suppose, but you're never going to be a boy or a girl if you weren't born that way. It is biologically impossible. And we are destroying our children. And I think that's why because someone said it earlier, they want government control of the children and in so doing, you have to hurt the parental child relationship. And all I have to say is keep fighting, even if they barred me from the school, I would

16:36keep going. I just, I wouldn't stop fighting for my kids. I hope parents don't stop fighting for their children because ultimately parents will win out. I think that's true. And I think you speak for a lot of parents, Maggie. I think a lot of people are with you. I know my parents, there's nothing my parents wouldn't have done if they thought that my future was in danger. And so, you know, and that I was, that there's a possibility that somebody was trying to intrude upon our familial relationship. There's nothing they wouldn't have done. As I'm sure there's nothing that you wouldn't do. What age do you think that privacy attaches to a child, Maggie? Well, it's a good point. My parents would have said never as long as you're in the house. Yeah. Yeah. Even as an adult, you know, I can remember, you know, my parents rules always applied. When you went back to their house on holidays, whatever, their rules, you know, that was their rule. So it was okay, you know, whatever, it's their house. But yeah, I don't think I really ever kept a secret from my parents until after I had moved out of their house, you know, when I was, went away to, you know, law school probably.

17:42So it's thereabouts. And even abs and adult, I didn't have many secrets on them because we had a very good relationship. I think that's part of it growing up and your parents teaching you things and you trusting them not to be judgmental, but to be able to help you with problems. And I think that's what parents are for. That's that is their job. It's not the job of the school, in my opinion. Thank you so much for the call, Maggie. I appreciate it very much. Let's go to Pat in Beverly Pat. Welcome to WRK. How are you, Pat? Oh, how are you, Sandy? I'm doing okay. What do you think it's okay for kids to have secrets from their parents and the school help them with that? Well, I think that there's nothing in the Constitution regarding age, okay? So once that's out of the way, which is amazing and all this stuff is going to spring court, but then you have to revert to the laws like driving, voting, which are like 18 years

18:43old. I think kids will keep, it depends on your age, right? You were talking about your parents and your communication. I'm like in my 60s, we communicated very well with my family. You know, you heard something weird in school. You went home and you talked to parents because they were your guidance. Yeah. Okay, they were your guidance. They were your North Star. And you need to, this is the parent decisions and the schools. I don't know what their charter is, but, and I also don't know where they're getting all the money to fight this stuff in court. Where is this money coming from the Democratic Party? I'm sure. But, well, and also, I think, Pat, in this case, the school board is fighting this, then it's going to be taxpayer dollars. Oh, it's lonely. You know? You know, which is, which is like, oh my gosh, no, no, no, you know, that, so if you live in New Jersey, your taxpayer dollars are going to, to going to fight to be able to keep

19:45secrets from parents. It's terrible, but, you know, also, I just want to say, like, when you are, when you guys are really talking about, you know, the WNBA and, you know, gender, I don't think, I don't think people should be feeding into the illness and calling, you know, Bruce Jenner woman because it's not. Sending your girl off to college, she's birdie gets it. You've packed the sheets, the caddy, the mini fridge, but the one thing you can't stop thinking about is her safety when you're not there. That's why she's birdie made the college safety bundle, three tools that cover almost every scenario campus throws at her. 3.0 is her everyday key chain alarm. One poll activates a 130 decibel siren as loud as a jet engine. Birdie disc is a safety light and alarm that clips on hands free for visibility for late night walks or early morning runs. And birdie box is her portable door alarm for the dorm door.

20:47It mounts in 30 seconds and sounds the instant that door opens. She's birdie is the safety brand trusted by over four million women worldwide. The college safety bundle by she's birdie and save big when you bundle visit she's birdie.com. That's s h e s b i r d i e dot com. This is Sandy Shack. I'm sitting in for Jeff Kooner here on the Kooner report. We're talking about a New Jersey school district who is fighting parents over the ability to be able to keep secrets regarding their kids. And before the break I was speaking with Pat from Beverly and she and I see eye to eye on the role of parents and families and in the lives of children and which schools I think are trying to use SERP. What we didn't see eye to eye on is that during truth or troll I did something that she wasn't particularly comfortable with. The truth or troll today which Mike did earlier was regarding Caitlin Jenner who went on

21:49the planet tyrus podcast and hinted at signing up for the 2020 27 WNBA draft and the question is is she telling the truth or just trolling and by the way just so that you know 80% Michael are with you they say troll I was hoping she was telling the truth because I would like to see that. But Pat believes that I should not refer to Caitlin Jenner as she because it feeds sickness and I wanted just to explain something and that is Caitlin Jenner to me is not someone who was pressured into a gender reassignment or gender I don't know the correct words or gender transfer because you know she woke up and wanted to decide to do it. She went to decades of psychological health and medical health and and she's a responsible caring human being who gives back. She does not pressure other people to do things she wants.

22:49She doesn't demand special treatment from anybody. She treats people and everybody with respect and so I'm going to show her the respect of using the pronoun that she wants and referencing her in return to me people who show respect deserve respect in return and that's how I feel about it. If you are a transgender who shows people respect and treat people respectfully then I'm going to treat you respectfully in return. If you are a person who is not transgendered who shows people respect I'm going to show you respect in return. If you are anybody who is disrespectful to people rude and nasty and demanding of people that I'm not going to show you respect I don't care who you are what's your transgender assignment is if anything whatever your beliefs are if you're disrespectful then you deserve to be treated that in return. But the converse is true. If you are a kind caring respectful person who tries to treat people with dignity then I'm going to do that in return with you and that's how I feel about Caitlin Jenner.

23:54You don't have to you can apply your own standards. This is what freedom which we were speaking with earlier with Jacob about is what freedom is about making your own choices what's appropriate for you. But I've always believed you get what you give and so that's why I am treating Caitlin Jenner with respect and referring to her as her and she. So anyway we are talking about the federal lawsuit against the school district of Chatham in New Jersey. What the school says is that what it is basically is a constitutional clash between a parents right to raise their child and what the school says is its obligation to protect student privacy which raises an interesting question for me. Does a child have a right to privacy and if that is true when does that begin and when does that supersede a parents rights to raise their child and to make decisions that are

24:56best for their child because I'm not ready to give the school district of Chatham's that power. Are you? Let's go to George in Westboro George. Welcome to WRKO. How are you sir? How are you? I'm fine thank you. I think you partially answered my question regarding Bruce Jenner or he calls himself Caitlin. I was just curious why you kept referring to him as her. Yeah that was why. Thank you mom. Yeah I didn't occur to me that that would be an issue for anybody so I just thought I should explain it since Pat I thought Pat probably speaking for a number of people so I just wanted to know hey that's why because Caitlin Jenner deals with everybody in a very respectful manner and is very dignified and so I give that back basically. I would agree with that I just think it feeds into the mental illness by you know bending to untrue. Except yeah he's not a woman. Okay that's I don't have an issue with you deciding that what I'm saying though is

25:59Caitlin Jenner can deal with whatever physical mental issues that she has with her doctors. She's got doctors. She's got many doctors and she's dealt with it for decades and this is her solution. Okay that's her solution. It wouldn't be mine George and I'm guessing it wouldn't be yours either but it's hers. So I'm going to be respectful of that with her. That doesn't mean that everybody who is transgender gets that same respect from me because it depends on how you deal with people. I know a number of transgender people who are lovely caring dignified respectful people and you know and okay that's how I'm going to deal with them and that's basically how I feel about it. One of those but I haven't seen one yet but I guess. Okay okay how do you feel about kids in privacy George? They don't have it until they move out of the house. Yeah see that's what my parents that that was basically my parents belief too. You know within I mean within reason you know they were they didn't you know I never felt let me put this way I never felt the need to put a lock on my door. I never my parents never like ransacked my room or did anything like that but I was always

27:03cognizant of the fact that you know while this was my space it was still their house and so I was always respectful. There's that word again I was always respectful of that George so. Yeah understood. Yeah but I agree with you and I don't think especially if we're talking this school is Ellen and elementary school where this is originated and elementary school. This is not a high school where you have people on the cusp of going out onto the world and being adults basically this is an elementary school. I don't think a 10 year olds write to hide stuff from me includes whether they're thinking about gender reassignment whether they have any kind of gender dysmorphia or whether they're you know what a earlier call or point it out you can't give my kid an aspirin without asking me but it's okay to to help them do gender reassignment without cluing me in. I mean really that's that's okay. I mean I find the disparity between those two things you know really a massive golf.

28:07I mean at what point did that become okay and even the Supreme Court has said no but this other thing that's scary to me in this George is you have a school teaching kids that it's okay to say screw it to the Supreme Court. I mean you know it's not just your family's bad the law is bad too. Yeah what is what does that do to your to your visceral response to things. Well they're all clearly overstepping their bounds the school and the Supreme Court you know that they're all stepping that they're out of life. Yeah yeah they are I understand thank you so much for the call George I appreciate it very much thank you sir let's go to Angelo and Arachaland Angelo welcome to W.R.K. or how are you today. I'm doing great how are you? I'm fine thanks Angelo so what point do you think kids have privacy. Well I don't know maybe privacy between their parents let me start off I say and I don't

29:08think the school should interfere definitely with what that type of thing I mean they're underage and they're easily manipulated and it's part of their agenda so when they brain wash and they can brainwash them right through life and control the government like what's going on today. But Sandy you know this is a very hot topic and the America's letting this happen and we shouldn't let it happen because their mind is and they got to be protected because they are mine is this real. Well I guess I guess we're normal I guess when you're normal I guess you protect your children but they want to throw the they want to throw the children free in a mighty grigor bless them I don't go for that yeah but I would also like to touch on one other thing if I can sure before we hang out. You know and it's it's off topic a little bit but it's certainly very important and what I'm trying to say is that this communist takeover of America they're actually at

30:14the point Sandy where they are doing it with with a stroke of a pen they want to vote it. The government you know I don't I don't support the government running the country like an iron fist but we're actually being taken over by a silent cool here and they're doing it with and they're allowing it to happen with the pen. In other words if we lose this vote our government could be a communist socialist government and we didn't fight for our country to be that and America is what it is and we have to protect that and somehow somehow somewhere we have to step up I'm not saying go into civil war but but this has to be addressed we can't vote on whether we're going to be communist or not. We're Americans. But what voter are you talking about Angela you talking about the midterms? The midterms is going to roll into our president C.

31:14I'm sorry you know I don't mean to for no saying it. I think that's a reasonable I think and I don't think you're that far field off topic Angela because as I've said a couple times this morning to me what I see happening with things like this this New Jersey case is they're deliberately undermining the family. It's a deliberate method. It's trying to get come between a child and its parents. It's destroying the family or destroying a child's respect for the family as well as a child's respect for the law. Why would you do that? I think the only reason why you would do that is because you don't want the child to have any kind of allegiance to their family or reliance upon their family. You want them to be completely reliant upon the state which is the socialist bad rock. So I think that those two topics are together Angela. Yes I think so and you know but but they really pushing the buttons on a lot of people. I mean the American people let's face it a very loving compassionate and if pushed very

32:17very tough and they'll fight for the death of this country as we know. I'm a gold star dad I know and but I'm just saying that. I'll bless you Angela. Yes I'm not saying I'm not trying to get pity and I'm saying people put their life on the line for this country for the rights we have. We we damn better protect them. What's going on here is where they're praying on our emotions by saying that anybody's that's illegal could come in this country. Yes the legal way but the way they did it on the cover is shipping them in by the millions while we were sleeping putting them in dearborn look at dearborn. They want to install should we allow we can't have that. This is America. I'm not putting down the Muslim people but they want to take us over and they want to kill us all and we got to go under the laws. It's it's not going to happen before it gets out of control they get us to. Shipping them out I'm sorry to say I mean what else you're going to do here.

33:18Yeah I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that at all Angela. I think that the Islamification of the United States is a huge danger and it's something that we need to address and you are right the midterms are something that is our is fast approaching and really vital to the future of our country. This particular everybody says that about every election but I think it's particularly true of these midterms because you have the socialist pop in their head up and becoming and beating the middle of the road Democrats and taking over the party and doing things like we're seeing in New Jersey where you have a school board that says parents don't matter basically we can hide things from parents and the Supreme Court doesn't matter either because that's basically what they're saying. That's what we're that's what their position on this is that basically the parents right to raise their child is not as important as a schools and this is their word obligation

34:22to protect their privacy. The primary legal arguments and thank you for the call Angela I appreciate it very much. The primary legal arguments raised by moms for liberty and moms for America those are the two groups that have brought this lawsuit and they have parents in the school district with them. It's focused on a number of pillars. The first one is the 14th amendment which is parental rights and due process. So the basic argument that they're bringing this lawsuit under relies on the due process clause of the 14th amendment which the United States Supreme Court has interpreted for a very very long time as protecting the fundamental rights of parents to direct the care custody education and upbringing of their children. So the plaintiffs are arguing that a child undergoing a social transition that's what the changing names the pronouns the restrooms etc is a significant psychological and medical

35:23event and they contend that by concealing this from parents. The school district is stripping parents unconstitutional stripping parents of their right to make critical mental health and well being decisions for their minor children and I think that is absolutely crystal clear. And moreover the lawsuit is claiming that allowing the school counselors and staff to withhold information regarding a student adopting a new name, pronouns, gender identity. Basically is driving a wedge between parent and child and I think that is absolutely accurate. They say that keeping secrets from parents strips the parents of their constitutional authority to guide their children through what can only be described and I think is profound identity and mental health issues. I think that that's absolutely positively on the money with this and here's the thing.

36:31The guidelines that the school board says it needs to follow aren't mandatory so they're doing this on a voluntary basis. Who's side of you on on this? Who should be making health care decisions for your child? The school board says they should be the ones. What would you like to say back to them? The number here is 617-26668-6167-26668. The school district defends itself saying that it's aligned with state guidelines that they're doing this for student safety and privacy protections. These proponents of student privacy policies, which are supported by groups like the ACLU, they argue that mandatory outing rules, meaning you're outing this child to their parents, can put students at risk of severe emotional distress, family conflict or homelessness if they're not ready to talk to their parents at home.

37:31These are elementary school children. Do you really think that elementary school children are packing their bags, jumping in the family jeep and leaving? I mean, so the homelessness thing, I don't think you're going to have kids running away in elementary school to be honest with you. But I think the other issue here that they're bringing up when they say essentially safety, the risk of severe emotional distress, family conflict, homelessness, I have an issue with that. In other words, who is the school to decide how the parents are going to react? You have parents that react well, you'll have parents that won't react well. Meaning when I say well versus well, I mean, parents are going, okay, we need to speak with little Johnny and maybe or Suzy and we need to get them some psychological help to work through this. This is a big thing, whether you believe in transgenderism or not, it's not an easy

38:32decision. And I think a lot of kids are pushed into it by peer pressure and things they read online. There's a huge thing going on now about people who want to walk back transitions and are finding that that's not possible and they feel their lives are ruined. Well, you know what would have stopped this early on instead of a guidance counselor making this decision for you. So, that's a big reason to have your parents involved in this. So that you get the right medical and psychological care that you need to go through something of this level. But according to the school here, they don't want family conflict. Somebody's saying, no, you're too young to do that. That's not, you know, I mean, that's not an unreasonable position for a parent to make is 10 years old is too young to do this. Maybe you can revisit this idea when after you've had some psychological help working through

39:33what your issues are and decide whether that's the solution or something else is a solution. That's what a family works through. That's what you're supposed to, this is not the job of the schools, but the school building, there are the school board wants you to believe that this is their job. What do you think? I think they have a point or do you think they are absolutely freaking out of their minds? Tom from New Hampshire, welcome to WRKO. How are you, Tom? Fantastic. Thanks for having me on. You're welcome. So, I just want to give a little bit perspective from perhaps a school board member's perspective and I was a school board member here for three years. And this was a very contentious issue that came before our board. And it was a specific policy, policy, JBAB. The vote for the one whether to put this policy in, it was a transgender policy. I was the only board member that stood against it and I stand against it today.

40:34And the reason why is I feel as though, again, I'm in New Hampshire. I know most of the listeners are listening to Massachusetts. Oh, no, Tom, most of our calls are all over the country in fact, the world. And we have a huge huge audience in New Hampshire, so go right ahead. So we have a different constitution and I think that's notable. But to stick with that point, it is a violation of your rights and conscience, which is enshrined in New Hampshire's part one article four. And moreover, it goes to the constitutional point of part one article six, which is morality and piety. I think it's important to note what John Adams actually said. Our constitution was made only for moral and religious people. It was wholly inadequate to the form government of any other. And when he wrote that, that piece of the constitution, that's what governs education in Massachusetts and in Hampshire. And so these user patients of people's rights, and even in New Hampshire, the funding of

41:41public school is currently being challenged by myself. And quite a few other taxpayers. And it's over the fact that in the early 90s, it was about 27 states that were going around and trying to constitutionalize mandated education funding. And the problem is with this, this effort is New Hampshire differently than Massachusetts, Massachusetts. It was the McDuffy case. They chose to amend their constitution. New Hampshire didn't, the judiciary, the Supreme Court, you serve the people's rights, claiming that a word cherished meant fun. And I bring up the funding part because I'm not anti-education first and foremost. But people have to understand, it's the people's right. And education historically was always inseparable with religion from our early times.

42:43And then after the toleration act, it was separated in a church and state. But the funding piece never happened. In fact, it was a journal that I just recently discovered from 1850, which had never been printed in the Claremont decision. The Claremont decision was the decision that governs funding in the Hampshire. It was the Democrats and Andrew Valinsky that were able to get that decision that the Supreme Court, which now is what basically dictates in the Hampshire the amount of money to fund an adequate education. But I would submit to your audience that the entire thing is a user patient. There is no right. In fact, they asked that very direct question and the people rejected it. And it's never been asked again. It remains the positive today.

43:44And they reinterpreted it in 1993 without the benefit of that journal. Now that that journal has been discovered, there are people myself included that are going to be taking the saw with the Supreme Court. And it's going to be interesting because what we're discussing today is going to be hang on there Tom. We'll be right back on the other side. I get a hold you there. I can't finish your thought on the other side.