Winning Ugly | September 16, 2026

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1:00test drive with a local dealer then finish online or at the dealership. Really? Wait, are you? Yep, it's Keenan. Able to finish in person without starting the process over. Really? Your info stays with you every step of the way. Cool. Enjoy. It's Keenan Thompson. Buy your car online on auto trainer. Really. This is Vison V Sports Betty Network. Nobody said it had to be pretty. This is winning ugly with Nick Bokai and Billy Gardell right here on Vison, the sports vetting network. Oh, yeah. Welcome to winning ugly are weekly battle against the NFL points spread. That's right? We don't do soccer. We don't do hoops. We don't do tennis. There'll be no talk of the majesty of roll and garrows here. We don't even do college football, right, Billy? We do the NFL

2:00every Wednesday, just two men toe to toe with the point spreads most difficult sport because we don't shrink from the battle. We don't shrink from the heart. God in tender with me every we feel the tend to. That's right. You too. And you're in a white, lucky dog. I am. I am on location as you like to say I'm on a field report and here in Hawaii. You're on a summit. If my pick saying any better this week, then I'm going to there's a volcano right down the street that I can just hop into and just get this over with. I'm. I'm. I'm. I help me out what was your record on our inaugural? Did now we're on record picks week? Well, you did great by the way. You had the first two games coming out of the gate. I got killed with Seattle. Someone in the medical community if you could get a hold of me and explain to me how you fall on your knee and your hip goes on. I'd love to hear that. But the hook got me there.

3:00And then I have to apologize to you. You called it with the Rams. You said they shouldn't have traveled the day of. I'm like I'm a road comic. I've traveled the shows. No, it was so abundantly apparently clear that they were exhausted. They were exhausted by the third quarter. So you had that one. You killed that. I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. My stealers came through for me, which I knew that was going to happen. So I was one for three. I like that. That's one for three of us. Okay. All right. Listen, everything's a mystery week one. You know, you bring up the Rams. Very interesting. I was looking at the betting splits as I'm prone to do. And here's the interesting thing. You know, a candidate because every week we end the show with what we call the big ugly where we have a lot of money on something. A game that's ugly, a line that's ugly as long as it makes you nauseous and queasy. Our work is done here. And believe it or not, the Rams minus seven

4:02hosting the New York Giants only 14% of the action is on the Rams. Giants are getting what you'll be running for that. Won't you be running for the whole day? Somebody wants you. And it's it. I like to zigg when the world's eggs. You know that. Yeah. I like to have that. Yes, you do. So it's why I love you. Let's talk about tomorrow night because this is a big one for me. Bill's host the Lions. Those are minus five totals of whopping 40 54.5. It's the first game in a new stadium. And I just I'm fascinated by this game. I think I'm aware of the over even though you think Lions bills, they'll they'll both put up a thousand points. That's what we primetime game is often a little bit of under territory. But I just I'm looking at this one and

5:02I'm excited because it's a new stadium. But I'll tell you what tempers that when I want to get a good look at the new stadium when I'm watching, I might have to suffer through that Amazon studio show crew. And all that they had an enormous players in the ball of tournament, they just I think . Up in the windshield in this game, so how shocked it is. They do quite a lot of the same adding up I think an hour out. Angry in the cut to them on the sidelines they're pulling each other's pants down and. Well, I've been up to now Michael. This game's great but a. Our Karen is a miss a ahr we doingWere is dicca participated were the men who crafted this game. I would be And listen to the thing would make me head off again. Nice big play to kill Bossa turn him loose and watch. Yes. And I got to say Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's, you know, this is blasphemy because I'm such a Buffalo kid. My wife has said to me many times over the years, why don't you and Buffalo go get a room? You know, but I, I got to tell you, I just

6:04want somebody has to pull them aside and say, look, a funny jacket is not a personality. That show is just everything that's upsetting about football broadcasting. And again, I guess we just blew our shot at being their guys in the Bougroom mobile. So be it. I don't care. I'm proud of that. If they, they, they, they would trade that team, I drive them to the airport as my father would say. Listen, I will tell you about this game, though, buddy. I like Buffalo. Yeah. I bought the, the spark got lit because they started the season by taking a huge weight off their shoulders because you, as you put it out last week, man, Houston has had their number had their number and, you know, over and over and over again. And they went down there and they got the job done. And I did know that and I didn't bet them. And I should have. But I like them coming home off of that ride. And Detroit, look, New Orleans is a pain in that you know what they just, they just, they just are. But Detroit barely escaped that game with their life last week. I, I like Buffalo at home. I like them to, I like them to handle Detroit. Believe it or not, I like them to

7:08handle. I like it too. Billy. I love it. You actually usually have better radar for my bills than I do. But I like them a lot because I just think this kind of game would, well, that's it. You know, but the, Josh is going to be so adrenaline and frankly, I do like the bills. And some places, if you can still get four to have taken, but five doesn't scare me. Lions, all line problems. They're right tackled. They're left guard out for this game. We looked good up the middle with pressure all of a sudden in the new defense. Yep. So I got to tell you, I like the bills. And I also really like Josh Allen over two, 53 passing yards. Last week, Tyler Schuck is 12th NFL start. He hung over 400 on Detroit. I think Josh can definitely clear to 50. And I like him over 30 rushing yards because that's one of these Superman Josh games. Primetime, new crib. He loves Buffalo. Buffalo loves him. That reciprocal energy. I think we might have a real Josh Allen special here. Other

8:10things I like to get these out on Hanson show earlier. I like James and Williams over 60 receiving because the X the unknown in our defense is number two cornerback. They got Harrison and this rookie and they're sort of split in the split in the duties. But I just think whoever is number two on a good offense playing the bills, look for that wide receiver to go over and 60 doesn't scare me with Williams. And my left, my curve ball since Dawson Knox got 150 last week. And I know there's going to be some deviance in terms of who gets fed what the offense does. I actually like Dawson, Dawson Knox over 12 and a half. Because that's one reception. And I do know that Josh Allen looks to this guy, trust this guy. So there's, you know, you got to throw something a little off the obvious. And that's my, that's my curve ball. Dawson knocks over 12 and a half. But those are all strong props. I like all of those. And again, the point spread doesn't scare me because if, if Detroit's

9:13defense of line front four had trouble with New Orleans, Josh Allen is not the guy you want to see next. That's just not who you want to go to next at home. It's home opener. They're going to be jumping through tables and doing whatever else they do up there. I just, I think I love Buffalo. I love Buffalo with both feet this week. I really do. Yeah, that's a strong play. All right. Well, it looks like we might have some consensus there. I like that, Billy. And you know, the other thing that's interesting is Brady really seems to have taken the lid off the offense. You get the feeling like this might be a bounce back game for James Cook schematically. But I don't know. I just think, you know, boy, what DJ more, I mean, I wouldn't hate putting some money on DJ more. He's he's at 62 yards. I could go over that comfortably. Can Cade 51? Can Cade's only issue is health. If he's healthy, he's going to put up numbers. So, you know, watch this be a nine three field goal special. But this, this one feels like fireworks.

10:14It does. And I think that's really excited about it. All right. Cool. Yeah, you should be. I mean, you're not really getting Billy. Yeah. Well, if that would be lovely, that would be lovely. I was so wrong about the total last week. I had I loved Houston and Buffalo to go under. They went over by halftime. So, you know, when you're really feeling something, sometimes it's the one you got the very wary of. I would have gone with you though, because and I agreed with you last week because who knew Houston's offense was going to wake up from their perpetual nap last week. But they did, but it wasn't enough still. And I think I think getting that mentally out of their heads, I think they're going to come home. I think you're going to handle Detroit. I do too. A huge confidence boost. And also in the new scheme from two new coaches, DC and head coach. Let's move on to some of the early games. Let's take a look at Bengals. Houston's minus three hosting the Bengals totals 46 and a half. What do you think about this one?

11:15I'm going to go with Houston. I like Houston in this game because they're going to have to get a you know, you don't know, you don't want to lose your opener. You don't want to lose your opener when you do. That next game is important. In the NFL, like, you know, if you come out of the gate oh and three, you probably ain't going to the playoffs. And so I don't think they want to give one up to the Bengals. I think that defense will be on point. If they score like they did last week, I think they beat the Bengals because the Bengals almost gave it away at the end to Tampa. Tampa started coming back at the end and they almost they almost let them back into the door, which is a very consistent thing for the Bengals. I'm still not so honest since an adi team. I think Houston's licking its wounds and they need this one and I think they're going to get it. Yeah, I can't see Houston opening a season 0 and 2 and the Bengals did squeak it out last week. So Houston's the team that is 100% the need it team. You know, my ball in this total to Gardel 46 and a half.

12:16You're like, I don't I'm not sold that the other Bengals might have played a little bit more defense last week. That doesn't even count in that game. And you know, Houston, much more exciting and explosive offensively than we associate with that team as well. You know, great 46 and a half. That's a total on looking at. Would you go over or under under? I think with these teams, I right now just what we saw week one, I would go over. I think I think overs are safe to about week three and everybody's got a piece of tape on everybody and everybody, you know what I mean? I think the understudy. I can end around week four, you know, I really did. That's a for two teams that can score. You know, good philosophy there. And also into the lack of current training camp in preseason games. It's a mess until they get into that. I got an issue with that. Oh, good. I look forward to it. All right. On the other side, we'll get into Billy's issues right here on winning.

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15:28splits from drag kings and circa AI powered prop projections and matchup tools proven betting systems power ratings and analysis 24 seven video on the Vsyn watch app. You get started for just 999 or say 50% with a Vsyn pro annual prescription. I was one of the first ones to get that look at me now. I'm on the damn thing head to vsyn.com slash subscribe now that's vsyn.com slash subscribe. All right, Billy, did you have someone finish business from our previous segment there? I think one of the things that you brought it up I think one of the things that was really apparent was the pros that didn't play anything in the preseason game and my Steelers looked like they won but they looked like it took them to the third end of the third beginning of the fourth where they looked like they were any cohesive offensively. You know the defense looked pretty good but and T.J.Watt won that game for us but I saw that in a couple teams last week that I really

16:34think it has an impact when they have no preseason at all. The first game of the season has become preseason so we need to pay attention to that moving forward for us too. Yeah, no question. No question. No question. It was apparent. It was apparent. It was like the first time these guys were really connecting with each other on a game level speed you know and I think because you know I saw them he kept trying to force it to Metcalf. I just don't believe that Rogers and he have much of a connection to Rogers does not look good on long long long. And then they finally got pitman involved who I think is going to be a real answer for that team but yeah I was looking at that well you know let's talk about your Steelers. Got that game. You know let's just get on it there at New England. New England's minus four and a half the total is 41 and a half and I was looking at this thinking man you know and the Pats are definitely the needed team in this one of a drink may he's not good against good teams that started to look like it might be a trend of a thing. I'm not sure if the Steelers are that right now but no AJ Brown and there's that super bowl

17:39losing team hangover. The number four and a half is it too much or is it just right Gartel? I think and I am a bit of a homeroid with my Steelers but a most pretty objective but I like the Steelers in this game because of the defense and I believe Drake May is going to make those simple stupid mistakes against a good defense that's what he does he seems to run pretty hot yeah and then when a defense starts to clamp on him he gives the way he gives the ball he did it in Seattle and he did it in the playoffs and he did it in the Super Bowl he did that's something with him right now I don't know what that is I think four and a half is a nice number to have my Steelers out with the defense and that's what I like this week how much self. Oh I'm always lean taking that's why I want you read on it because I watched the game and I agree I feel like there was a lot of players but that D of five is even better that's great. I like that. I don't really remember five yeah yeah that also makes this a really fat, feasible game too but you know it's

18:40interesting it's easy to forget that Drake May is such a young player he's showed incredible boys but you know he's young enough that something like that can't get in his skull and start taking you know start paying rent and living out then renting and subletting your brain to all your fears and all your worries that's going to be an interesting one to watch you thinking you can get Joey Porter back involved by this weekend I don't know I don't know you know there's talks he's going to get traded then there's talks that he's staying I don't know what he's doing he hasn't been on the field yet at all I'm not sure how much of an impact he would be even if he came out someday so I don't have any idea. All right well we got Billy Gardell leaning Steelers is something I always listen to my friends because we're Russ build brothers and we don't be us each other when it comes to that stuff you know another game when I watched it this is sort of my watching versus the box score I opened her game of the week was that Panthers bears because you look at the final score and you think well you know Chicago and they clearly didn't stop Chicago

19:44but you know this game was 31 31 basically at the end of the third quarter and one while I was watching it I kept seeing especially this Panther offense was feisty and resilient and it got me really look I saw Bryce Young I know he's sort of on the come but you remember when the whole consensus was Carolina Bluah taking him one CJ strata two was the jewel and boy I don't know if I agree with that anymore Bryce Young is not one of these superhero quarterbacks but he pleaded the guy's a gamer he plays he's insufficiently elusive I was really impressed with him and it got me looking at this game you know I like a divisional home dog and that would be at land in this game but I really like Carolina this week you know and we got Cooper Rush probably again he was you know just what you'd think from a number three quarterback and a team that doesn't really have a number one quarterback I said people have high hopes for Pentex but it's TBD and two of the heck now so

20:46I got to tell you I'm very bullish on the Panthers this week very bullish what are your thoughts I'm with you I'm on the Panthers my philosophy is this anytime that your offense gets you over 28 points it's the defense's fault and now yes Chicago seems to be stacked but Carolina they really do and but but Carolina playing like that against the Bears versus what I saw the Falcon's play against the Steelers I think Carolina I'm so I can't believe it's two and half I think this is like a six point game minimum and I do I think Carolina is gonna like I felt what the bills I think Carolina is gonna handle business with Atlanta that quarterback situation is a nightmare had we had it together on offense I think we would have pulled away a lot sooner I don't think Atlanta's up to this I think Carolina is starting to go in the right direction and I think Bryce like he said is the guy there now and I think they're starting to believe it and I

21:48think I think Carolina walks on it Atlanta I do yeah and I actually jumped this game it was minus one at the very dawn of this week's spread and I and it's moving and I'm sure the quarterback's situation is part of that and you know Atlanta it's like can we just come out on hold on hold on hold on can we just get credit to the phrase the dawn of this point spread that sounds like that should be written somewhere on a tab that's beautiful at the dawn of this point is that the dawn of this point spread hope spany journal for degenerate gamblers across the frozen tundra little did their children know the shoe money was leaving like cash thrown in front of us moving vehicle out of a thin blown window Vince Lomoy John Constantine United's right we can look enough all right let's move on let's look here's a here's a juicy one your Cleveland Browns are at the Tampa

22:49Bay Bunk and here's Cleveland is a eight and a half point dog nine in some places totals 41 and a half my question to you first and foremost is Cleveland going to ruin every survivor contest in America the whole world simply that's against Cleveland every week I think that's actually their mission statement they've given up on the Super Bowl and they're just looking to be a spoiler I look after the way Cleveland did not show up last week I mean yeah it doesn't take why would you bet against the trend that's been going on for the last 15 years you know they're they're weaker on defense uh they're they're decisions that quarterback are baffling to me Baker is obviously going to want to take a little vengeance on them and after losing last week he always wants to sneak into Cleveland I think even with the eight and a half which is yeah it's a lot of wood but it's a big matter to see Cleveland compete in this game I don't I really don't yeah Dishon the I think they're just

23:55making the case that it's time for Dishon to just stop and they're going to let it get his ugly as it needs to because they know they need to draft a quarterback it's and you know I always called bigger may feel a little ball of hate and the him against the guy that they they get 250 million cash to replace him and the disaster of that but I don't think Baker mayfield has a lot of mercy in his profile if I were a FBI profiler I would say this is there's a psychopath here and this is going to be a huge proof again I mean temp is temp is not incredibly impressive right now but is Cleveland bad enough for eight and a half I I would lean into the eight and a half yes yes let's take a look at green bay at the New York Jets this is a game I don't have any opinion on because the Jets were solid in a way that I don't think will last but they seemed competent that's a big step up for them green bay was kind of a mess and found a way to lose a game they should have won your thoughts LaFlaur always makes he has this idea in his head it seems like if I

25:03just keep running the same play eventually it'll work that he goes to sleep in like the third quarter and I don't find him to be a great coach that said I think Gina threw his two touchdowns for the first six weeks and that's over now for a while I think green bay yeah he played his solid game for the year yeah we're good for a while you know Mike I always say yes if you want to listen to history nobody ever went broke mistrusting the Jets all right we're going to keep hacking up and chopping up this NFL points Fred right here on winning ugly folks you're tuned in to winning ugly only on Fison these sports betting network hey let's cut the ball real football food starts with real beef Omaha stakes is the official sponsor

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27:11couple of years they've started to become that team that you're like I just don't know so this game it feels like Baltimore can handle those eight but it also feels like one of those weeks for Baltimore gets by with a field goal I just I don't trust the Saints and I don't think I'm gonna go near this game if I got a pick I mean I guess you lean with Derek Henry and the Saints but I don't know something feels off about that eight and a half I feel like it's a closer game maybe maybe four or five points I don't know it just doesn't feel like eight and a half to me I I I want to take Baltimore but I just don't have the I don't I think I would take the points I think I would take the points now that I think about it say yeah I think I think the Saints and the points you talked yourself into it we watched we saw it happen that's you know that's the thing it's the Saints were interesting last week they you know they scored all their points in the second half and this is again we're back to the modern preseason where nothing happens you know Tyler

28:1512 NFL starts including last week they didn't really use him once in preseason so this was the rustiest of rookiest quarterbacks and when he did kind of you know snip the coffee and get it going they made it really interesting last week I think coupled with the fact that I am watching that Baltimore game flowers was unbelievable I mean just a guy who used to almost be a different species in the speed category when they they're in him loose and we know Le Plamar and and Derek Henry are going to get there they're going to ground it all day they'll do great against the Saints but if flowers is out it's a different team and I do think that affects a point spread that fat so I the Saints are very tempting to me all right that's interesting I'd like hearing that you're in you're leaning that way too let's talk Eagles Titans Eagles minus seven they're at Tennessee totals 39

29:15the Eagles to me look like they were in season form they looked prepared and there's another team on here I'll tell you that looked fantastic to me as well when we get to it but I think the Eagles are ready to play especially on the defensive side of the ball and if the Titans had trouble with the jets buddy yeah it's gonna be a long day with Philadelphia I like Philly I like him to cover the seven yeah and I boy do I love him for teases this week but also I agree I think and you know it's so funny they were making that Titans jets came they called it the the cell A ball and it's like no you know I think the coach has to win something before there's a ball how he used to work somewhere you know well you don't get your name you don't get your coach you don't get the coaches' streaks sign without winning a championship no one cares what solace dot no one no one and he's in Tennessee for five yeah or his team he's been there briefly but you know you know

30:18the team knows oh this is coaches these are the guys who who can coach well the Titans didn't show one ounce of passion and then there's the question of what's going on what is cam ward and that eagle d must be looking their chops so yeah big number but tempting number like it I like it Billy let's jump to some of the afternoon games what do you think about Jacksonville at Denver Denver reminds two and a half 45 and a half year total I find Jacksonville so tempting in this game but I know the Broncos are in the needed I don't want to buy into that if I enter that debacle in Kansas city but a bone bone next I am not clear on what's going on and it's kind of looks the part just enough to break your heart I am with you we we shared some very colorful texts because we both talked in last week which I enjoyed very much and I have not changed my feeling that about the

31:20texts we sent bone next if he has one more game where he doesn't look like he knows what he's doing I'm done with him for a while because this started happening last year by mid season and he did just weren't putting any points on the board he's throwing picks he's forcing it I'm not sure what a what the coach from Minnesota used to say I'm not sure he knows who he thinks he was I don't yeah they think they were we thought they were yeah yeah well I don't know well knows who he is because it doesn't look right to me and that my problem with this is Jacksonville's one of my kryptonite teams I never get them right yeah but with plus two and a half after that performance in Denver if I was picking I would go Jacksonville this week interesting I'm leaning that way too uh here's a game I find very interesting Miami is at San Francisco and San Francisco's minus 13 13 and a half you know that's that's the big spread of this week that's the real team versus a

32:25maybe not even NFL team kind of number total 45 um I had a buddy who texted me my buddy Tim said the odds of the dolphins winning are equal to AI killing all of humanity in the next five years so let's go dolphins but watch that dolphin game it's it's ugly done there buddy nine years were a force um what do you think about I mean this is a Gardel chalky look at that big 13 what do you think man dude I I want a big bowl of San Francisco this is you know I love a big chalk number on a dominating team San Francisco looks like they started practicing in May and they look tight they look healthy they look good they dismantled uh the Rams without any trouble at all not granted part of that was the travel but I think they were up for that game um I think everybody was running away with the Rams myself included I thought oh man they're gonna be but after watching

33:25that and what Kyle Shanahan's done and and he adjusts really great when he loses guys and all that now he has always guys Miami isn't it's a dumpster fire I love the chalk this is a chalk talk game for me I am on San Francisco that's you'll get to know William Gardel folks and he is not scared of those like you know this looks like a Mac conference called a lot of conspred doesn't scare Gardel one bit and that's one of the reasons I love him let's you know I'll tell you my my strong feeling about this one too is I think I like the underbelly uh you got 45 points none of them will come from Miami I watched that and even the running of H.J. and I grew and Malik Willis didn't inspire didn't look like run pass option magic there um I think we could look at the under here too yeah um yeah let's say we have the Rams I know we jump on ahead to Monday say that again? Oh I was just saying I agree with you I think the only people

34:30scoring this game will be uh the Niners I don't think Miami gets on the board right they may pitch his down yeah yeah see and under you're not fun we talk about this they're a man's bet because they are unpleasant and you just grind them out much like life but this one smells whenever I have whenever I have an under I want one of those when I'm a better under I want one of those chambers in my house that they give divers it come up too quick because that's how it feels the whole game I get the best I know yeah you're you're putting your money on gosh I hope nothing good happens um I'm gonna jump just because we're talking Rams and that debacle in Australia let's jump I just want to jump over some games we'll get back to others but Monday night new giants at the Rams Rams minus seven totals 48 and like I said earlier Billy there's only 14% of the money on the Rams right now and when you think about the the momentum the Rams brought into this season they're

35:36they'll never lose a game that the massive Super Bowl favorites um it's such a it how the might have fallen on this one what do you think I think they got a you know how you say people have to eat a slice a humble pie once in a while the Rams had to eat the whole pie last week and now all that stuff about undefeated season and oh my god that's gone that's over so they has as it's going to get right here it yeah yeah which is going to be a big hole for them but I I think this is a different thing because the giants at home against their division rivalry who they see twice a year every year and I just I think I think I like it's right because I don't think it's going to be enough to just have scat about this week and and I don't know I don't know that the giants can go to Los Angeles I just I can't if I really doesn't get right this we're going to be a real trouble they're going to be a real trouble yeah that's going to be that's going to be the actually drama here in the Hollywood all right we'll be back

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38:56this season might not be so simple my friend I too had the same revelation and and with Drew Locke you know in a backup and coming in versus starting adds a different ballgame and I'm not sure what the what the prognostic pro what is it prognosis on uh Arnold is yet yeah I'm going to call the upset I'm going to take care of line or I'm sorry Cardinal so I'll take the card to Arizona I love it yeah I've just said brand things so weird things my buddy Joey who you know always says it's weird when there's points in the desert something weird happens Cardinals are in the desert I like them I like them I think it's got a little bit of a point in the desert sounds a little mob doesn't it yeah that's right code for we bury the guy yeah that's fun fact Jacobi Berset chronically disrespected world class second quarterback do you know that he's led the NFL

40:04in passing yards since he was named a starter last season no one in the NFL has more yards that's the kind of stuff that you look at and go huh maybe that's part of it um yeah I was for me you know initially tempted by Seattle and now I just I'm staying away or I'm looking at the dog on this one let's move on um I want to talk about the Indianapolis Colts might one of my worst kind of crypto night teams at Kansas City this is your Sunday night game Kansas City's minus six and a half totals 46 and a half for me Billy the Colts are right back to me you know like right when you think oh they got a team they go they're competitive they're and then you know boy they just they do not get it together um somebody needs to put on a pb for sauce gardener because that was just embarrassing and they thought that was a guy who's gonna get him over the top um and then of course Kansas City who just always impents new ways to break my heart um I just needed Denver to cover a tease last

41:05week they couldn't even pull that out so I don't know what to think of this game except I it's fear and loathing all the way I couldn't agree with you more I hate saying this but I think Kansas City just walks on them um especially after beating Robert then they get another game at home uh again the meth factor in Indianapolis is it full tilt right now uh Kansas City by 10 and yeah I had I had the Broncos last week who by the way I have a much better defense than the Colts and I had the Broncos on a 10 point tease 13 and a half they couldn't cover they couldn't cover 13 and a half so I think Kansas City just continues this really annoying winning streak that they're if the world knew how many times you and I have texted each other saying terrible things about Andy Reed during primetime chiefs game that's like I think that's what made us really bond was Andy

42:08Reed bad bashing cheese I don't think this Sunday will be any different and I don't either I don't either in fact I have no intention of watching one minute up unless I'm forced to um what do you think about Minnesota at the bears who look nuts last week bears are minus five and a half totals 48 I like Minnesota with the points and I was all over Kyler Murray but I think there is maybe a quarterback whisper like we talked about Minnesota uh it is a deficient game I the only thing I don't like is the points I think the bears witness by a field goal uh I think because they know each other so well when it's a division game you can't go into all that oh it's 10 points and he's got a great I don't buy in any of that division games are always nasty Cleveland can be two and 12 and we can be 12 and two and it's a three point game I don't know this feels like that to me so I would take Minnesota and take the four and a half for me speaking of division games get the

43:13raiders at the chargers chargers minus six and a half total is 43 and a half here's a divisional dog plus seven but the charges are in desperate need of a bounce back after getting being the shocker of week one um this game smells a little under to me if anything I don't really know what to make of either of these teams I think uh the only thing I would bet in this game is the under and this is a game that I will have nothing to do with if I can miss a highlight this is a great I want nothing to do with that game yeah at all it's also it's great the way harba build up his quarterback last week saying I think he's going to be the greatest quarterback of all time that didn't work out the whole how would you say that I don't want to get that's terrible I think it'd be hard to be around that guy I'd love him I love what he's having resurrects programs but that's going to be a long day with him right get your girl enjoying your your mashed potatoes and feasibility because this is what life this is the best thing okay yeah it's three five

44:19take your analogies and I don't want to hear another analogy and tell you when period all right let's unveil our picks of the week Billy shall we would you like to do the honors first I'm guessing I will go first if you'd like I have to get my little scratch pad out here hang on because I want to make sure I get all this right okay um I this is a chalk week for me that I like uh there are three teams two teams I love with the chalk uh they're big numbers but these teams again they look ready to play ready to play and that is the Eagles minus seven and the Niners with the big minus 13 and a half I still love it I think I think Perdi's going to be resting by the third quarter I do I love both of those teams and then there's a three team teams are I like for teams that are doing well and the Rams who need to get right I like the commanders teasing them down I like the chiefs and I like the Rams oh look at you with the commanders very

45:20interesting and I do like I think you're right I think the Niners might be resting start as that's also why I like that under um very respectable guard tell all right I will unveil mine my official picks for the week we're looking at Buffalo minus four and a half five whatever looks good to you whatever you can get your hands on the whole first segment was my love letter to while of that game in the new crib the passion panthers very strong feeling about them so beware because my strong feelings are often misled but I like it minus two and a half and I really like that four-menge and nine are dolphin under 45 and a half and they saw and you know there's some lot we talked about a lot of teasers along the way here to keep an eye open on some teasers that we teased for you and now my friend it's time for you and I I consider as the handsomeest men and handy camping and yet it's time for us to unveil the ugliest bet that we are taking to the prom

46:21this is when we go with what we like to call the big ugly roll that big ugly package you are in the eye of the ticket holder this is the big ugly all right Billy do you want to start us out here when are you looking at this week if you have to this is your gun at the head bet this is the well I actually am going to go back to that Atlanta Carolina game because this is this is one of those like we set the charges on the bridge it should blow exactly at four o'clock yet some weird thing might happen so I I like Carolina in this game but it also has the feeling to me where Atlanta could just literally give me a stomach ulcer this week but I think I'm still going with Carolina that the big ugly for me is the Carolina Panthers the Carolina Panthers that's a good we have a little consensus on that game I'm fond of it too

47:22mine I'm going with those New Orleans Saints plus nine if you can get it I just think I just think Baltimore when you blow the doors off like they did week one there's going to be a a correction a coming back to earth I really had to watch in that game like I said flowers was magic I think if you take that element out of this offense I think you also might be hurting their chances of covering as big a number as nine so that's where I'm going to end you know like I said New Orleans quarterback didn't even play the first half that was just wake up where am I oh giving some smelling salts and hand them a playbook here we go second half there was an awakening so I'd like them you know when is when is a loss a win when it covers baby I'd like New Orleans plus that big fat nine all right I love that I love the I just want to say one thing I like

48:27that you said that because you saw me come to that in real time earlier in the show I think you will yeah yeah I like you know a lot of consensus this week Billy yeah we all right listen we'll talk later we'll send it to our money I'm a lie and hey folks don't go anywhere up next we got caching out with Dustin sweetle sin and then tomorrow it's Vison by the books with Dave Ross and Jensen Lewis kicking off at seven a.m. Eastern followed by a numbers game at 10 it's all right here on Vison D sports betting network there's a fire inside you you can't ignore stand still not a chance you're a lifelong learner who's come this far now we're here to help you keep going further Capella University what can't you do visit capella dot edu to learn more