Why the Midterms and 2028 Won’t Matter Until We Break Israel's Grip

0:00What is really tearing this country apart right now is that our politics and I say this with all due respect, but our politics is dominated by boomers who have a disproportionate loyalty to a foreign country. You're playing with the lives of millions of people. We've already bankrupted this country all for this, I don't know, idea that you'd like to topple this government halfway around the world, which just so happens to be a big problem for Israel. So we're talking about disproportionate loyalty. If that isn't a code word for anti-Semitism, I don't know what is. And I accuse you to your face of being a... We got here. We made it. It's for... Boy, oh boy. Did Dave Smith have a 24 hour period of just total domination at Thomas Massey on the show. And then at night, he went and destroyed... I don't know, maybe the highest profile Neocon on the planet or one of them.

1:01That is Alan Dershowitz. He was obviously the defense attorney for both O.J. Simpson and Jeffrey Epstein. Wow. Very, very impressive resume you got there. Alan, anyways, Dave being a Jewish man and absolutely demolishing another Jewish man as they debate the topic of Israel and the Iran War is then called an anti-Semite. Can I answer please? Of course, Alan. A combination of agism, racism, and extremism. The trifecta. Why does he get... Why does he get called that? Well, that would be because Dave accuses him of dual loyalty. When in truth, he has dual loyalty, maybe the only misconception here. And I don't have to just say that, I can prove it to you. Here is Alan Dershowitz talking to Pears Morgan just a couple months ago. I don't know. I'd never thought I'd have the potential to introduce you as a Republican, but here we

2:05are. Why do you feel so strongly about this that you have renounced your democratic faith and gone to the other side? Well, the polls show that the vast majority of Democrats of every age pose Israel. They have elected a congresswoman from New Jersey who was virulently anti-Israel, even around manuals. Now, said that the Democrats should stop and the United States government should reorganize its relationship with Israel and treat it like any other ally. And in light of what's going on on university campuses, the uptick of anti-Semitism around the world, I just can't be associated with a political party that has become part of the anti-Israel anti-Jewish trend around the world and in the United States. So although I support many of the democratic domestic policies, I will vote and work hard

3:05to make sure that the Republicans maintain control over the House, the Senate and the presidency to avoid the United States from moving the way most many European countries have moved away from Israel. Look, if I could have registered as a Republican with a little asterisk saying, I'm basically a foreign policy Republican, I'm still a domestic Democrat, I would do that. Now watch as Dave Smith absolutely buries him with his own words. A couple months later Mr. Dershwitz is back on Pierce Morgan to announce that Dershwitz is no longer a Democrat. He has left the Democratic Party and is now a Republican and the reason why is because they've turned to anti-Israel. So because of that one issue, even though he expresses that he agrees with them on all the other domestic issues, he'd switch parties to the Republican. Now listen sir, I'm sorry, but if this one singular issue is so important that you would switch your lifelong political party and this issue is a foreign government, then you

4:05cannot say it's out of bounds for people to point out that you have a loyalty to a foreign government. You set it yourself in different words and if you want to claim that that's bigotry or that somehow me as a Jewish person, I don't love my mom and my grandma and I don't love Jewish culture or something like that. This is silly man. No one believes that you can't have that those two things go together. They just don't. And I'm sorry, but if people in one country, I would say this if it was true about Italian Catholics, I would say this if it was true about Irish, I would say this if it was true about anyone. If there, if their number one loyalty was to their foreign government, I think they should be nowhere near positions of power and influence. You end up serving as a fifth column in effect in agent of a foreign government. Dave talks about this all the time that it's basically time for the boomers to hand over the reins and I'll make the distinction because I always have to because people get sensitive that I am not talking about the boomers watching this because you guys have already demonstrated

5:07the capacity to evaluate things on your own and not fall for the Fox News side ups or the Trump Maga side ups. You guys are obviously thinking for yourself. So when I say boomers, don't take it personally. I'm not talking about you if you're a boomer watching this relax, but let's just be honest. There are many in your peer group that struggle to see through the propaganda. I think you can admit that along with me, right? I hope so. So more explicitly, Dave is saying that the Alan Dershowitz Neocon wing of the GOP, he wasn't even GOP, he converted to the GOP just because the Democrats were bad on Israel. He's like, well, that's the only thing I care about. So I'm out of here. But if you accuse him of dual loyalty, you're a bigot. But anyways, you got to get rid of, you know, the Alan Dershowitz of the world and the broader Neocon spectrum that exists in the right wing, the George Bush Dictini era of GOP politics, which unfortunately, despite the fact that Trump campaigned on being different from that, being the polar opposite of that, then went and waged the war that even George

6:10Bush Jr. knew was to be catastrophic. And therefore, he was going to pass on that. And the truth is that our financial circumstances are so dire at this point, we don't really have time to negotiate with these people anymore. Our financial future, the future of our nation hangs in the balance in large part due to the $10 trillion plus that we have spent on the wars in the Middle East to the benefit, maybe not entirely, but largely to Israel, not to America. But Ben Shapiro's and the Alan Dershowitz of the world want you to believe that it is to your benefit because they are red, white and blue patriotic Americans that love nothing more than America and blowing up all of the neighbors of Israel. And that's just a coincidence. Please don't think any more deeply about it. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I am not concerned about the midterms. This is why I'm not concerned about the 2028 election, not because I don't fear the Democrats I do, but rather until we can actually break the stranglehold that that one tiny

7:17foreign nation has over our own political system, it doesn't much matter who ultimately prevails in the general elections. I think if there is a battle to be had, it should be in the primaries and believe me, I will be engaged in doing everything in my power, everything humanly possible, including donating, campaigning, getting out on the campaign trail if he needs me to for one Thomas Massey or for that matter, if Joe can't Tucker Carlson, someone else gets in the mix that is interested in actually separating these two nations. If we don't get that, then really what difference does it make? There is a distinct possibility that it'll be JD Vance versus someone like AOC. And the unfortunate reality is that both JD Vance and AOC, while giving lip service to opposition to that relationship, tend to when the rubber hits the road, not demonstrate the backbone to actually separate those two parties. In fact, JD Vance was at the RJC, the Republican Jewish Coalition just this past week, sitting

8:21at the same table as Miriam Adelson. So if you are disappointed in Trump because he waged a war in Iran on behalf of Israel, he did so because he had received $150 million in this election from the Adelson's and had received over 100 million in the prior elections to get the first presidential term. And he did a whole bunch of stuff on behalf of Israel and that go around. So my concern is that if JD Vance is going to pretend as if he's a real boy, pretend as if he has cut his puppet strings. In fact, is still lining up at the trough of the RJC to basically humiliate himself and say, you're still our bestest buddies. And we love you so much and don't let all of the Nick Fuentes rhetoric get to you. We're still going to give you whatever you want, whatever you want. You guys will always be the most important part of our coalition. Don't get it twisted. I'm still a good boy. Now please send me tens of millions of dollars so I can get in the White House and AOC

9:22when pressed about whether or not she would arrest Netanyahu, she was asked that today. She goes on some lengthy word salad where she doesn't answer the question. She goes, well, I believe that the ICC has in fact made chargers and we should just honor the international courts and that, but she never actually gives you a clear answer. So one week from today, the UN General Assembly will start and Benjamin Netanyahu is expecting to do a 10. Do you believe he should be arrested when he steps foot on US soil? I believe that he's been, I mean, the latest development now from ICC is what he's been indicted. He's wanted by the ICC. I think that what we should be doing is being, I think we should be in alignment with the findings of the international criminal court. If there's a warrant out, then there's a warrant out. So should he be arrested when he steps on US soil? If there is a warrant, well, here's the deal. The United States shamefully is not a signatory onto the ICC. We should be.

10:23My point is unless you're going to get someone who is explicitly overtly opposed to that relationship, do not expect anything to change. And that is why I don't care about the midterms or the 28 election, but instead we'll be focused on the primaries and trying to get someone like Thomas Massey, someone who I believe strongly is sincere, who actually wants to prioritize America and Americans and part ways with our greatest ally and move forward as if we are, I don't know, sovereign. I know it's a very bigoted word to use, but every other nation is allowed to talk about their own sovereignty. So I feel like we probably ought to be able to too. And while I could spend a couple hours just dissecting the Ellen Dershowitz versus Dave Smith debate, which was absolutely fantastic. And I hope you guys will check it out at some point today. I actually have on Robbie the fire Bernstein. He is the co-host for Dave Smith over on part of the problem. He also has his own show, which is called Run Your Mouth. He's one of my bestest buds in the podcast world.

11:24I really, really enjoyed this conversation. I think you guys are going to love it. Before we get into that, I want to let you know that while I have been gone for two weeks, you are not coming away empty handed. I did three interviews on the Tom Woods cruise, one with Tom Woods and myself alone talking about Charlie Kirk and a whole bunch of stuff. And then I did a one-on-one conversation with Scott Horton talking about, obviously, they were on war, but also our currency situation, how that's going to play out. And then I also did a third one that is myself, Tom Woods and Scott Horton, Scott Horton, all three of us together on stage. And the only way you can watch those, it's three hours of content, is to go to Liberty Lockdown.locals.com where you can sign up to become a supporting member and you can watch those three episodes there. Or you can subscribe to my ex that's at Liberty Lockpot on X. And if you don't want to support the work, that's okay. Enjoy this two and a half hour long conversation with Robbie the Fire. It is free. But if you want to support the show, that's the easiest way to do so again, at Liberty Lockpot

12:27on X or Liberty Lockdown.locals.com. Let's get into the show. Welcome to Liberty Lockdown. That down is Clint Russell. We got Robbie the Fire, Bernstein and the building. Thank you for joining me, Robbie. I like you with that, because usually I'm the one complaining about stuff. Yeah, well, you know, today I get to be Jewish today, but usually I'm like, there's no granola bars. You can't drink the water. It's a scary in Mexico. People think Robbie's joking, but it's true. Anywhere we go, we travel. He's like, we can't have the cheese, dude. I can't. That's what I instantly liked you, because we had never actually met in person before. We got off a plane and I was just a level 14, like, mother fucking this, mother fucking that. And you were just totally chill about it. I was like, I like you don't seem to bother. You're not bothered by the fact that I am yelling and screaming. And you're like, I don't know. You're like, it's like walking Larry David over here. I can tell it. And I think I actually called you that. I was like, you remind me of Larry David. The reason I'm so accustomed to it is because I was raised by a New Yorker. He wasn't Jewish. He was Italian, but same dynamic.

13:27Yeah. I'm telling you, people from New York, it's weird because they are genuinely, like, pretty tough people, but they bitch about everything. It's fucking crazy, dude. So being from San Diego, but being raised by a New Yorker, as soon as I met you, same with Dave, I was like, I get this, I get this vibe. I had a, once I was working in an office and there was a giant, yelling blowout fight between the boss and a different coworker. And when the fight ended and it went and it was quite chaotic, I was like, man, I got to go take a break and I looked at my friend who was just sitting there calmly. And I'm like, I don't know what happened to you and your childhood that you're just unnerved by this. And that's not what it is. Just if you were around chaos as a child, it's all just kind of normal. Yeah. I think my stepdad for having acclimated me to the neuroses of New Yorkers. Anyways, I do want to talk to you about this kind of a hard pivot, but you oftentimes will bring up finance and economic stuff on part of the problem. And Dave's like, and we're back to the around more.

14:29So I would like to go a little bit deeper on the finance side because I know that's an interest of yours. And you may, you may explore it more fully on your show, but on part of the problem, I think oftentimes it gets kind of sidelineed. And I understand why the Iran war is very important. But and I was just on this cruise with Tom, Tom Woods and Scott Horton. And I was asking them this question too. And I'll be honest, I wasn't satisfied with their answers. So I'm hoping you can help me out. I'm genuinely trying to understand or analyze where the US dollars headed. And there's a lot, there's so many variables. And I think you were one of the few people in this arena that understand this stuff, you know, on the level that I do, or at least you read about it a lot. So the one thing I kept talking about on the cruise and I felt like I was speaking Japanese was when I was bringing up the Japanese bond market and the end carry trade and the unwind and how that's such a huge problem. And I felt like basically no one understood what the fuck I was saying. So oddly enough, I actually just spoke about this on the Run Your Mouth paywall part of

15:29the episode. And I moved it to the paywall part of the episode because I don't follow this stuff as religiously as I used to, which is in part, I've been wrong for so long on the doom and gloom financial topic. And it is so tedious to really follow the reason why I find it's tedious to really follow is because it's all a smoke and mirrors game of pretending like the system's supposed to be a float and sort of really figure out the mechanics of how they're shuffling around the money. It's a little bit tedious and boring. At the end of the day, it's smoke and mirrors to pretend that the system's supposed to remain a float. My theory, which I'm going to guess is in line with your theory, is that, all right, they have to constantly pretend that there's more liquidity in the system than actually exist. And that's part of the smoke and mirrors game. That's what Fed bail, that's what QE was. Basically, sometimes you just got to inject a lot of money into the system. When we started the Iran War, I was like, hey guys, I think the entire economy is kind of not on the best footing. This might not be a great idea.

16:30There's all the other reasons, but that was one of them. I think we might, I listen, I get doom and gloom on this stuff. I think we might be looking at a real blow out here. And what's going on, apparently, is basically in Japan, they import all of their oil. And so they're getting hit more with the rising costs. And so they got to make adjustments. But just not to even look at all the mechanics, if you just have Japan has less money available to buy up our debt, and also there's going to be less money available through the carry trade because they're trying to prop up their currency. Should I simplify that for people? I'll simplify that. Okay. The carry trade, if you're not going to do it, I'm going to do it. So go ahead. You can have the honors. That's your show. Well, yeah. Well, no, no, you're the guest. Okay. You do. Sure. And so, you can, you can borrow money in Japan for close to nothing. And then you can lend it here and capture the spread on the fact that there's a higher interest rate here than in Japan. I think Japan, it used to be negative interest rate. What's it now?

17:30Let's just say it's zero. I think it's up to one now. Okay. So it's one and you can lend an America for four and a half. So you can capture three and a half. But it is a currency play because if their currency appreciates, let's say, by four percent, then you're losing a half a percent. But then you have to convert that profit from dollars back to yen. So if the yen is strengthening, then the profit actually is diminishing. Is that the argument? Big pharma knows that a healthy, energized population is harder to control. That's why the FDA is working to put NMN in big pharma's hands. NMN is a NAD plus natural precursor that supports healthy aging and cellular function. A recent Harvard study that you can check out down below showed that NMN can help reduce weight, cholesterol, and even blood pressure and overweight adults. And that's why the FDA tried to strip it of its status as a supplement and reclassify it as a drug, a prescription drug. But the people fought back and they won. The Natural Products Association, along with Black Forest, took the FDA to court to make sure that NMN can still be a supplement for you.

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21:39And that's like my wheelhouse. So I will unpack that more. So that's a big problem. But the reason that it's so problematic is that I don't know if it's the number one or top two or three debt holder, but the Japanese central bank buys any immense amount of our treasuries. And we need them to do that to suppress our interest rates. And if they start to dump their treasuries into the market to try and, you know, basically save their own economic conditions, it creates upward pressure on interest rates here. So what's happening right now is basically a dual bailout. We are bailing out the Japanese central bank so that they don't have to sell off their treasuries because if they sell off their treasuries, then our interest rates go up. So this is why I was trying to explain it to the people on the ship and they're like, what the fuck are you talking about? Well, and so it's a twofold problem. Just to finish the point on the carry trade, the risk is if there's less liquidity coming into the US, then you might actually get the signals of, oh, wow, this system, everything

22:41is mispriced in this economy. There's not as much money as we think that there is and you might get a blowout. In terms of the interest rate going up, which that was, I laughed the second I saw that storyline that essentially, they weren't calling it a bailout, but essentially we were bailing out Japan because we didn't want them dumping our treasuries. Yeah. And oh, it was a bailout. Yeah, it was a bit, no one used the word bailout, but I was like, that's a bailout. Yeah, for sure. Okay. It's going up. If you have your and I, our view of the government and the way it's spending, we kind of need these natural forces to start stepping in and letting the world know, hey, we don't have endless free money to spend. And we can start correcting that problem. And we keep masking the problem by buying our own debt or manipulating with other federal reserves to basically inflate at the same rate and everyone's kind of in lockstep to keep the system afloat. But it's good if there's kind of smaller figures now is that we can make adjustments and

23:43the more that we try and pretend, hey, there's no problem here. The more we're just creating more of a mess on our books of the Ponzi scheme, that is our currency. Yep. So specifically to the inch, listen, both of these things need to come down and we need a reset because we haven't done it since 08 and 08, we basically bailed out the markets after we created a credit asset bubble. And so if you look at it from our perspective, you just go, how the hell is this thing still floating upwards? And why am I the sucker who didn't put all of his money in the stock market that's watching the S&P? I guess I'm the dumbass by losing all my money by holding it in cash. Me too. But you're like, at some point, I got to be right. No, we will be right. Yeah. But we may be broke before we get to be right. But just to add to your point about the, you know, almost 20 year bubble that America's been in, Japan has been in it for a decade longer than that. So they're in like the end stage of the end stage that has just can kick, can kick, and it just, I think it's running on fumes. And because of that, the US bubble is now reliant on the Japanese bubble staying unpopped.

24:48So it's very complicated and it's very, you know, multifaceted and you need a lot of things to go right for them to basically unwind this without, without there being, as you described it, a blow up. And the key thing to understand for people is when we talk about a blow up, we're not talking about hyperinflation. We're talking about deflation. We're talking about a 08 stop crash, which we haven't had, obviously, in almost 20 years now. And we desperately need, I just don't know. I just don't know if they're actually willing to permit it. A lot of people have been arguing that, in fact, what's the percent? A lot of people have been arguing that Scott percent is in fact trying to make that happen. That they're trying to create a deflationary crash. And I was like, I don't think that's accurate. But I just to give them their due, they argue it's because, you know, percent was the right hand man of Soros. And he was responsible for collapsing multiple currencies, including the pound in the UK. So he thinks that they're trying to do that with the dollar. What the fesson is purposely trying to collapse the dollar. Yeah.

25:48And he's doing this with Trump's blessing or he's secretly undermining Trump. Well, no, it would be, it would certainly be, you know, green, I don't know if Trump would understand it, but he would be green landing it for sure. And how do you think Trump gains by our, by being there for the time of the blow? Well, there's two hypotheses. So one is that they are, in fact, trying to create a dollar shortage because everyone's going to get off the treasury, the treasuries, which means that they have to sell, they have to sell assets accumulate dollars and then use that to, to pay off or wait, no, if they're selling their, they would be getting dollars, right? Yes. I don't know. And this is not my hypothesis. So I don't really understand all the ins and outs, but they were saying that the, basically the rush to sell off treasuries would create a dollar shortage. And therefore that would create a strengthening of the dollar. That was the argument. I don't, I need to actually research this further to follow it. I think it's more probable that we're going towards, you know, QE, big print style, you know, bailouts to try and keep the dollar inflating and keep the debt sustainable.

26:50That's my read of things because I just don't see, I don't see how you play it the other direction. Just on the Scott Bessett conspiracy theory, I think that guy, it is true that he was sources right him in, but go ahead. I think he's locked step with Trump. And I think Trump does not want to be there for the, for the stock market crashing. Just, just, just who he is as a person. That's my read too. I mean, just think about how he talks about, I should, my approval rating should be infinity. You could look at the fucking stock market. Like I'm just the best. I'm the best it's ever been. And all he talks about is a stock market doesn't talk about, you know, price inflation, all the other shit that we've had to deal with. And I think probably for stock investors, especially if you're invested in like any of the big tech plays, you probably agree. Well, the tech stuff is so interesting because I'm sure you've seen the means of the circle jerk amongst the companies, but from what I understand is they all have on their books the supposed profits from orders from all of the companies. So it's just a giant circle of each company, supposedly placing some $200 billion order

27:55in four years. And so that's profits on this guy's book who's spending it with this guy, who's spending with that guy, which is secured by another order that's 400 billion that's coming in ten years. And you're just sitting on the sidelines going, when is this money actually made that it correlates with your current stock value? And it probably never does and never will. Right. Okay, you got to look at the way Ponzi schemes blow up, which is essentially at some point, you got to just, you know, you're not giving everyone all their money that they have in, but you got to make that check to everybody that represents what their 10% interest would be of what they put into your fund. And you got to hit that every month. And the one time that you don't hit it, everyone goes, oh, this is actually a Ponzi scheme. It's not a real thing. So you might look at it and go, all right, Japan, the carry trade, how much money are we looking at that's actually coming into our stock market? But it's not that. It's the signal of, wait, all of this stuff is priced around a certain amount of money being in the system and a certain amount of buyers who want to buy into this system.

28:57And if that entire just money flow falls off because that starts panicking and pulling money out, there's no, there's no new sucker for me to sell this asset to. Well, and that's exactly, I think that's where we're at right now. The interesting thing is there are examples of companies that did that, that were hemorrhaging money, borrowing nonstop, that ended up being massive successes. Amazon is the best example of this. Amazon was making no money for fucking 20 years. And the reason they were making no money is because all of their profit they were using to buy and crush their competition. And they did so in glorious fashion. They destroyed basically every mom and pop business in the world. So it works if at the end of the day you have a product that is just unbelievably dominant. The issue with this Ponzi in my view, this is, I'm layman on it, but I think I have a good understanding of the dynamics, is that there is going to be an Amazon in the AI space, but it's not going to be all of these motherfuckers.

29:58And all of them are being priced like they're the next Amazon. So you're going to have, I would argue, two, maybe three that actually end up coming close to the expectations of profits that they are projecting and being priced at when it comes to raising funds. And then you're going to have 20 or more that end up being not just worthless, but negative value. And I think that's going to be the really interesting shake out. And this is, this is totally standard. Like this is normal. The, oh, the 2000 stock market bubble, same dynamic. There was hundreds of companies that went bust and there was 10 that are still with us today. I think that's probably what we're looking at, but this time it is such astronomical amounts of money. They are putting up like trillions of dollars and they are building out these immense data baser data facilities, whatever they call them, compute for compute, right? And I'm like, okay, but this is all based off of just like a guess. Like we are doing the largest investment probably in the history of the world without even

31:00knowing what the end product looks like or not, like not even really close to it. It's just a very interesting, interesting thing to live through. It makes me very nervous. Yeah. I'm loosely watching the, what's going on in Japan? Because I had the same thought as you did the second I saw them bailing out Japan. Oh, shit. Yeah. I'm just fascinated by what does our government do to manipulate the interest rate to make it seem that it can remain of 4.5% and that that's where the market's at. And then also, is there going to be some giant washout of liquidity in the system, which triggers a problem? And if you hate Trump, is the Iran War gamble going to be the thing that did it? Yeah. I mean, I think it probably will be, but like is the effect? Well, the Donald's tip over fast enough to actually hit Trump. I think we could see kind of a George Bush exit, where it's like, it's George Bush on

32:02the way out the door and then all of the shit is basically laid at the feet of Obama. I think that's probably what we're looking at because there are lagging effects with any of this stuff. There's a lot of people, there's a lot of people with a lot of money on the line that do not want to face reality. And they're going to do everything that includes central banks to try and delay the day of reckoning. So can they delay it, you know, two years, six years, eight years? I don't know. I would argue probably not. And the reason I say probably not is because the interest rate signals around the world are so, so damning. One question seems to come up every time the economy gets a little uncertain like now. And that question is, is now the time to buy gold? And honestly, I don't know. And I'd be pretty skeptical of anybody who claims to know exactly what's coming next or when. The better question isn't whether or not gold goes up next month. Why do people own physical gold in the first place? Most people aren't buying it because they think they found some magic investment. They're looking at it as a way to protect their purchasing power, diversify a portion of

33:03their retirement savings and to prepare for the unknown. If those reasons still make sense to you, it is worth taking the time to understand your options. And that's where Augusta precious metals comes in. Their experienced team can offer you one-on-one personalized educational web conferences, where they'll explain how gold and silver work or how a gold IRA might work. Basically, they'll answer your questions and help you understand your options. And then you can decide what's right for your own situation. To learn more, visit lockdowngold.com or text Liberty to 35052 to request Augusta's free guide. Because the real question isn't whether or not gold has already gone up. It has the reason for owning gold changed. And in my view, it hasn't. Again, go to lockdowngold.com to check out Augusta precious metals. What that's telling you is that sovereign debt, which is supposed to be the most secure debt in the world because it is backed by fucking printing presses. You should have no reason to doubt that you're going to get paid back, right? And people are going, yeah, I want a little bit more interest on that.

34:05If I'm going to buy your fucking six-month two-year teabills. And the fact that that's happening basically uniformly across the entire global economy tells you that there is broad-based expectations that one inflation is going to be higher. And two, there's significant doubt that the sovereign funds will be there. So you also just got to put into perspective historically how low four and a half percent is. No, it is. You're right. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, no, that is true. But it is also back to the rate that it was in06. Well, and then also you just have to think of our economy. We've been running on basically zero for the last, what is it? I don't know, 15 years. Yeah. Which in the growth that that's supposed to cause in the economy, what's it going to look like if it climbs to eight to 12 percent or something like that? It's over, dude. I mean, if that happens, like, in my view, the only reason we have had a positive GDP print for the past 15 years has been because of hyper low interest rates.

35:10Like that's the only reason. We would have been in a recession in and out of a recession throughout that period if not for that. So that's my expectation is that if, and I've been telling my audiences forever, I said, if if Fed funds rates get north to 5 percent, prepare, prepare to prepare to be a buyer is what I've been saying. And I think you will have an opportunity at that point. But you know, the people listening to this just to give them some hope is you can live like me and Clint, not have kids, not have girlfriends live on the road. Be a hobo. Be a Airbnb in New York City having a 9 p.m. conversation with our people. Yes. You can be ready to live on the move with no obligations or mouths to feed. So just opt out by your family's. That's the only way you can actually do this. Or just don't buy into all the internet hype of making the family. The key is to never start. Yeah. Just lift like us and then you'll be prepared for the for the great reset. Yeah. Well, that is one that is one thing. And honestly, I think even though people aren't doing that consciously, I think a lot of people are doing that subconsciously that they are like, I don't have any solid expectations

36:13of a positive economic future. And therefore I'm not going to get married. I'm not going to have kids started to take your joke and turn it into something serious. But like, I think that's what a lot of people your age and younger have been, you know, thinking to themselves, am I wrong? You know more of them than I do. Oh, because I'm more social than you are. No, because you're five years younger than me or whatever it is. I definitely think that these are all variables for the decisions that people make. I think that there's a real spirituality to time preference and whether or not if you're saving money, you think it's going to have more value in the future and that that, you know, giving you an incentive to actually build towards a future. And when you live in an environment where things seem unstable and you're constantly losing the value of the money that you're earning, you make more short-sighted decisions. But that would imply that people ought to be getting married. No, by short-sighted decisions, you're not thinking about planning a future or what's going to look at my life's going to look like in two years. You're just saying hookers, you're not getting engaged. Exactly.

37:14Instead of thinking, hey, why don't I save for a mortgage? You're like, let me go spend this on some hookers. Not a hooker guy personally, but, you know, it's a fair example. I hear you and I do know some of my buddies that are big hooker guys and you're not wrong. So yeah, that's interesting. It's a dangerous door to open the hooker door. Yeah, dude, I never opened it. It's same with cocaine. I'm like, I've opened that door. And I'm very fortunate that because of my 80-D blend brain, it's just not for me. It's just not, you're like, oh, shit, I can concentrate. Like great. You know, it's just not a, it's not a fun drug to me, which is lucky. I know that you are lucky because I knew some friends back in Carl's bed that it was the funnest drug to them and they could not get a fuck enough of it. And I was like, as soon as I think the key is to see, in your formative years, to see someone who's badly addicted to something and then you're just like, never doing that. And that's what, for me, that was, I saw people that were badly hooked to meth, badly hooked to cocaine, badly hooked to pills. Someone on meth.

38:15Oh, bro, it is bad. It's the worst, in my opinion. I'm like, teeth missing, constantly robbing. It's fucking, it's crazy. It's a crazy drug. Cocaine, people tend to keep it together on the surface, but they're just like, they're just pouring every dollar they have in a cocaine. And there's like, they're never satisfied. They just want more all the time. Guys, stick to Adderall. It's a more even burn. Probably cheaper too. With a prescription, I think. Cocaine's expensive. I know that. I saw the dealers. They were, I did let people do drugs in my house. I just never did it myself. Full disclosure. If you had to guess, I'll give you, I'll give you my guess as to how this works out. I think, I think it's going to be really hard for the central banks to get the interest rates under control. Because usually if you have, say you have four or five currencies or sovereign debts that are facing headwinds, they have rising interest rate cycles, you might be able to get the federal reserve to step and embelly out.

39:16You might be able to get the UK or the Japanese to step and embelly out. When all of the fucking sovereign debts are rising in rates, how the fuck do you bail that out? I don't, I think the only way you bail it out is to print to do QE, should like that. So that's my expectation is that unless there is some grand play to crash everything, buy up all of the assets, a law 2008, 910, and then hyper inflate away. Which is a, it's a distinct possibility. I think that odds favor barring that possibility. I think odds favor continuing inflation because of printing and QE. Well, they definitely lean towards continuing inflation versus a blowout. It's just a question of, do they have endless runway to do that? Well, there's never endless runway. Because at some point the market will just say like fuck you. But the market is so fucking full of shit. It's so much a house of cards at this point.

40:19I wish I knew how much of the market was like actual individual investors saved assets, deployed, and how much of it was just like borrowed and printed and QE'd. I wish I could actually understand how much of this market is real. Because that would actually give you an idea of like, all right, can this actually, can this mirage actually be sustained? I don't have an answer. The reason that it's such a huge problem, aside from all of the obvious reasons that big recessions and global recessions are such a huge problem, is that we're simultaneously in a proxy war between the two largest nuclear powers in Ukraine, obviously Russian America. The Iran war is still, I wouldn't say raging on, but doing its thing. If you have all of that playing out and you have a turnover of the US dollar as the reserve currency. Like, those are all the ingredients to get a hot world war three. Like, I'm not saying that's how it plays out, but like, that's exactly what you would,

41:20if you were talking to one of us, or you're talking to Ron Paul in the 90s, and you're like, all right, we're sitting on 40 trillion in national debt in America. He'd be like, what the fuck happened? You guys didn't have a revolution. You piece of shit. I'd be like, you're right, Dr. Paul, we should have. But we didn't, all right, so we're at 40 trillion. Interest rates have been held at the zero bound for about 15 years. He's like, you didn't revolt. I'm like, no, I'm sorry, Dr. Paul, you're right. We should have. Now, interest rates are spiking back to 5%. And interest rates, central banks are spiking all over the world. Oh, and we've also been in a four year long proxy war in Ukraine against Russia, and they still have 6,000 nuclear weapons. And we're also in a war against Iran. And the straight-hormoza shut down. And like 20% of the global oil supply is not going out. He'd be like, oh, then like World War Three is coming for sure. I honestly, I honestly, I think, I'm not saying he would have been right. But like 30 years ago, had you asked Dr. Paul that he would have been like, yeah, that's where it's headed. And I got a take on that. For ramping up towards World War Three, I think none of the global superpowers want to really have a hot war. And that's why they're playing these dumb games of proxy wars.

42:21So now we've got a problem that no one's willing to admit that they've lost in the proxy wars. Ukraine's sticking around and America's sticking around right now. And that was the big right I had at the beginning of the Ukraine war is like, why are we flirting with what could be a World War? What are we doing here? Why are we being agitators and why are we getting Ukrainians killed for no reason and pretending that we're winning this thing? You're just increasing the risk of a bigger problem. With that said, I don't think either Russia or the U, once it's nuclear war, everything is over. No, no, nobody, you know what I mean? Just nobody wants that. So it's the game that's being played is essentially how much work can we engage in against another country while pretending that this is not an actual war in its fair game. And so you even have, you know, China and Russia were helping apparently I ran with targeting and we can't really complain about that because that's what we've been doing with Ukraine

43:24for the last two years. Well, and all of NATO. Yeah. And so how do we pretend that that's considered a act of war against us because that's what we're doing? Yeah. And so to be clear, they are both acts of war. But yeah. So saying the superpowers are playing a game of how do I fight you, but through some sort of an intermediary, intermediary that you don't consider this a full out war. Right. But at what point like, all right. So you're saying at what point does that wheel turn? Yeah. Well, and let me tell you why it will turn eventually. And I'm not saying it'll turn to hot war. But I'm saying it's going to turn. The reason it'll turn is because at some point, all of these proxy fights will weaken a superpower to the point that it is existential. And my fear is that Russia is kind of close to that, that they, and if you listen to Putin, and I know he's we're not supposed to take him seriously because he's evil dictator, whatever. But the way he talks about it, he seems very sober. He seems very rational to me. And it does seem as if there is a breaking point for them where they go.

44:25You guys, like they keep setting red lines and NATO back by the US keep crossing them. And I just think that at some point, the people in Russia will be like, we're going to, we're going to get rid of you if you don't fight back. And I think that they're very close to that, that there's so much provocation. Like I think they just bombed a school in Russia. And they've been, as you said, they've been sending targeting data to Ukraine for fucking ever. They've been sending munitions to them forever. There's additional bombing campaigns that are happening inside Russia. These are provocations that two nuclear powers have never taken with one another. Having using a proxy to strike within that actual country, that was a red line that you didn't cross during the Cold War. Because everybody recognized that if you crossed it, that's a nuclear threshold. So the fact that they have crossed it as many times as they have and it hasn't triggered a bombastic over the top response from the Russians is miraculous.

45:26I still believe there is a threshold at which like, say America gets so weak that we can no longer have this proxy shit that's going on between us and China. I think that that's when it goes hot. And I think the same thing stands for Russia, same thing stands for China. If they have some crazy recession because their housing boom is out of cards and it implodes, I think that's also where in order to maintain power over their people, they have to do something dramatic. So my point is the reason that the clock is ticking is because the debt clock is ticking. So when there is an unwind of the debt super cycle, there's no way that these proxy wars between the nuclear powers are sustainable. That doesn't mean it goes hot, but it means it has to end. And I don't have any faith that any of these fucking people are going to end it. So that's the catch 22. Did that make sense? I still just lean towards no one really wants to have the hot war. Even had I think it was last week, Russia threatened to actually start bombing England if they because they were like, if you keep sending these missiles over, we're going

46:27to start targeting your missile points. That happened, right? I didn't invent that headline up. That's the problem when you consume too much news. Yeah. You actually wonder if you read that or dreamt it. I definitely read it. It doesn't mean it was true, but I read it. Yeah. And I also don't remember if I just read that headline and meant to come back to it and didn't actually read the story. Anyways, there's still just game and ship between the countries of what can we get away with and what can we threaten. It doesn't seem to me like we're really inching towards where I agree with you is we're all playing dumb games here and we have the risk on our plate of what you're describing. And that's why this is just stupid and there's no upside for anybody here. I agree with that. But I also don't think that any of the superpowers are so irrational that they want to be the end of the world. I agree. I don't think any of them do, but they all want to subdue their enemies. They all want to break the back of like NATO clearly. You don't think that NATO wants to break the back of the questions because it seems quite evident that they do to me.

47:28I think they're, and if not, what the fuck are they doing? Okay, I'm talking over my pay grade here and it's also because I hadn't really thought about things quite on these terms, but I think a lot of this is actually more just mercantilism and essentially these countries don't want to play fair. And so they're not actually looking to engage in total all out, you know, like I don't think we're looking for regime change in Russia. Okay. I don't think that's the goal or that it's achievable. We might be looking to weaken Russia or to seize assets from Russia or to, you know, have them no longer be providing natural gas to Germany and not having the Nord Stream. Yeah, that's all true. So I think it's more strategic maneuvering for select industries that are not in our favor. And so it's kind of game and ship of how much can I bully you? Like for example, China is China going to take Taiwan or do we have enough implicit threat against China that they don't want to actually take on that fight?

48:29So I think it's more game and ship for, we're more in the game and ship for resources and for favorable conditions for your select industries than we are actually at, hey, we're going to kill each other. Well, man, that's that's almost a darker prognosis than the one I have because basically what you're saying is they were willing to let a million Russians and Ukrainians die just to increase, you know, fractionally their control over like the oil market. Like that's fucking dark dude. Yeah, not just the oil market, but I think also just let's have Russia weaker. But that's not necessarily let's take out Russia. It's just let's weaken these guys. Well, yeah, no, I, I, I'll grant you that. But my point is at a certain point of weakening any superpower is going to go, we have to fight back. Like if America was in Russia shoes and we're sitting on the same nuclear arsenal, give or take that Russia is, do you think that if we were, if we were being kicked in the teeth repeatedly by the Russians that we wouldn't, there wouldn't be a threshold at which

49:30President AOC or Newsom or Trump or any of these fucking psychos wouldn't go, yeah, we got to fight back. I guess the, maybe the most on point historical example would be that the Soviet Union did not nuke us at the end and decided to no longer be the Soviet Union. True. So there seems to be some, uh, do you think Russia is prepared to take that role again? Well, I don't think, 40 years later, I don't think we're even close to the Russia's folding stage. But if I had to guess on would a country like the US, China or Russia fold before nuke and planet earth, I would venture to guess the leaders might go the route of folding first. I hope sincerely. I hope we're really, we're out in the was you speculation. So, yeah, I mean, this is what people think about. So I think it's, it's interesting to, to unpack it. I mean, very few people on the planet study this stuff as much as you and I do. So it's, it's interesting to see your perspective. I obviously, I, I'd say odds favor us avoiding a nuclear holocaust.

50:30Obviously, I believe that if I didn't believe that I'd be fucking building a bunker right now, um, or be building a spaceship with Elon and get the fuck out of here. So I don't think that the odds favorite. I just think that you're going to have to have someone pretend to be an adult. And I see, I see very little indications that anyone is prepared to, to take on that role of adulthood. It's like, well, I think there's an interesting aspect to all of this where, uh, other countries basically have their dictators and they know, hey, we might just have to wait two years, which is interesting. It's interesting that other people can play by much longer time frames. Whereas the US, you're looking at Donald Trump and you go two years from now, do I really think that I have someone who's going to be this adversarial? And two years from now, do I actually think that the American people care enough about this and are going to be willing to fund it particularly if there's an, an a bad, a financial environment. That's actually a really good argument against democracy. Seriously. Well, not not really because what it actually means is that there's a peaceful mechanism

51:32to unwind all of this, which is that our democratic process just changes the bad leadership out of its hands. The other countries realize, oh, this is not a permanent position of the United States of America. Right. And then also since the leadership changes, the leaders of other countries can hate previous leaders more than us as a country. And so it can almost unwind from a more natural cause. You can argue both ways. The reason I say that there, that is a check mark for the dictatorships is because they get to have lower time preference. They get to go like, we don't need to get fucking crazy. We will be here for 20 years. This guy will be gone in 24 months. Let's just take a breather. You know, we can actually plan this thing out a lot longer. I think that's one of the biggest problems with the American ruling class is that it's so short term based and analyzed. It's like, you know, how what's the next quarterly print? You know, like they're not, they're not doing what many of the Chinese leadership is doing where they're thinking, you know, how in 20 years are we going to be dominant in this

52:34industry above and beyond the American empire? And I think, I think that's, that has been much of the detriment of the American people that are, are political class because they don't expect to be in power that long. It's like, I'm going to get mine as fast as humanly possible. It's almost, it's almost a happy and argument in favor of a monarchy, um, as opposed to, you know, elected representatives. I don't know. I don't have a strong opinion. I'm just saying, I think we could fix it if we just don't let women vote. You heard it here first, folks. Well, actually, let's, let's talk about that, um, because obviously I agree. But the Lindsey Clancy case, have you, have you looked into it? I've, I've been having a lot of fun cracking jokes of women, it expense, but other than that, I haven't gotten into into the details, but I've, uh, yeah, I've been, I've been making a lot of jokes at, at, at women. Well, I, I've only done, you know, cursory studying, I just to understand the bare bones, but for those that aren't familiar, basically this woman three or four years ago, clean the slate, let her husband leave, get into a new marriage, no longer have a family and a wife, this

53:34and jail, a cool fucking lady. She cleaned the slate for that, dude. I doubt he feels that way for the right. He's already living a new life. Well, he is, yes, but, um, I think he would probably prefer his three children be alive. But anyways, I don't know his three kids, you know those were good kids. Oh, man, that's dark. Or old mom took him out of this world. I'd say, I'd say the best joke I said about it. Yeah, good. Uh, all right, this is wild. You would not notice. I only found this out today. All right, I'll, I'll frame it as a question. Okay. I am not psychotic. I've never heard voices. I have you ever, have you ever experienced, uh, audible hallucinations and a schizophrenic break? No. Okay. You would assume that as a dude, you'd probably hear a male voice and a female would hear a female voice. That would have been my assumption that if you're fabricating a character, it's some sort of a character that's a split of your personality. For whatever reason, women hear male voices. So it's demonic possession. Maybe. Yeah. But this lady, uh, claims that the husband left and she was hearing a male,

54:38urgent voice telling her you got to kill the kids, you got to kill the kids. And I just thought it was funny where it's like, and now you listen. You won't listen to your husband, but you'll listen to the fucking voices. Your head just do it. That's funny. All right. So just for anybody who doesn't understand this case, just a quick recap. So three or four years ago, this lady is out of her mind. She's like, she's getting tons of medications that are prescribed there from her doctors. Apparently she's on like dozens of prescriptions, anti-sicotics, all sorts of shit. So I am sympathetic to that aspect of it. I think if you were getting prescribed that level of medication, you probably are a little bit out of your mind, but say that aside. This lady then goes and while her husband is out of the house, she times it perfectly so that she can literally fixate, strangle her three kids, which are I think four, two, and eight months old. So like little tiny babies, uh, one of the darkest crimes you could ever imagine, contrary to Robbie's jokes about it. And and now she's not even really denying that she did it. She's just arguing psychosis. So I think it's an interesting, it's an interesting debate in that sense.

55:42And the way not every state has the same laws for psychosis, I think Massachusetts has one of the more lenient ones, but it basically, I think this at Cowsis has to be you did not realize that what you were doing was harmful or bad. I think. Now that's a stretch. Yeah. Now just where I stand with it is that or let me reframe, or I think these women are fucking crazy. They're advocating for her is at the end of the day, you got a lady who murdered her three kids and you can't have that and they got to go to jail. And if you want to say that, oh, life is so hard or she was crazy or someone needed to help her, then you also need to say that there are people who no longer have agency and other people need to make decisions for them because they are no longer responsible for themselves. Right. Like all those women who shouldn't be allowed to vote, you would need to have those two conversations at the same time. Of course. So if you want to say that once someone's on this level of medication, someone needs to

56:43remove her from her children or someone else needs to sign off that they are watching all their behavior, then you just need to have those two conversations in tandem. Right. That if somebody is no longer responsible for their behavior because they're crazy, then the doctor who observed that craziness or her when she still had agency and sought help, there's still responsibility there. If you think you're so psychotic, you might kill your own kids. That means you can have used your free will at an earlier stage to have removed yourself from your kids. Right. And I think that's the argument of the woman that are backing her up is that the husband should have intervened, the husband should have been there, the husband should have taken the kids away. Went to the story and get her medication. Look, I'm not arguing in favor of their opinion. I'm just saying I think that's their perspective is that the husband failed her essentially. My perspective is this. You can't live in a civil, it's not civilization. If you have people that are whacking their three little fucking babies, and you just let them walk free.

57:46Well, I don't think she'd walk free. I think she'd go to a mental hospital, but just at the end of the day, I just think you kill your three kids. Everyone goes, holy shit, you can't do that. And even if it's, oh, you're so psychotic, you did that. It's all, well, you got to go away. Like, who advocates for that person? Well, that takes that person's side. That was the point I made with, because I post, I posted one time about this, because I had finally read enough about it to have an opinion. And I posted one time and I got a bunch of pushback. I haven't read that benchmark, met that benchmark, but I still do have an opinion. Okay, fair enough. But someone pushed back against me and they're like, they're like, what do they say? I don't know, something stupid. And I said, look, if a schizophrenic person on the bus slash your kids throughout sitting right next to you, would you be arguing that they shouldn't go to prison? And it's like the answer is obviously like, if you fucking kill someone, someone's kids, even if they're your own, you got to go to prison. You've got, you just, you have to. If it's, okay, if it's a psych ward because you're fucking loony tones,

58:46you got to be in there forever. You can't come out. Like, I'm sorry, you killed three precious babies. Any civilization has to just differentiate. I don't care how bad your mental condition is. You took three lives, you go away. And then someone else was pushing back against me and they're like, they're like, well, shouldn't the doctors be charged? Shouldn't her husband be charged for not having protected her from herself? And, and I was like, hold on, hold on. And I was like, okay, are you now arguing for prosecution of like Jim Beam for every DUI? Like, because they prescribed her something? It's like, you still have personal responsibility. You cannot remove that from someone. You just can't. The inverse of that is if you want to live in a world where a doctor is responsible for your behavior once you're under their care, you know what that means? No more medication. No, either no more medication or no more freedom for you. Because now a doctor has legal responsibility. What you're talking about is any lady, you've got to be an assigned medication for post-partum

59:49depression. Now needs to live in the psych ward because of the legal liability that exists for the doctor who's going to give you the medication. Exactly. Do you not want to live in that world? No. I was joking that this is basically women coming together to fight off someone having to take responsibility. And there really isn't aspect of that here. Yeah. Where they're like, well, someone needed to help. Who? Who was supposed to provide that help? What is the mechanism for help that this person was supposed to get? I think the only help that could have prevented this would have been for the husband to have genuinely believe that she was a danger to the kids and literally remove them from her presence and put her in a crazy bin. Like, what else, what other answer is there? And by the way, had he done that, I'm sure many of these same women that are defending her, what has said, look how abusive he is, he's put in his wife in a fucking loony bin. It's like, you can't have it both ways, right? Like, obviously she was a danger to her kids, but simultaneously, this is a very common phenomenon. I hope people understand that.

1:00:50Like women, not just women, you know, fathers too, will have these irrational ruminating thoughts about, you know, usually the reason that we have them, I think there's a very obvious biological explanation for why we have these thoughts. I should a kid. No, it's because, it's because as a parent, especially as a, you know, a parent of young kids, your brain is constantly playing out worst case scenarios because it's putting you on guard to try and keep your kid alive. Some people have those thoughts over and over again and they ruminate on them and they start to think of them as actual desires as opposed to your brain saying, hey, you're going around this corner carrying your child, make sure you don't bump their head into the wall. So I think there's a very rational explanation as to why it happens, but oftentimes when people ruminate, they can take very logical, common sense things and turn them into like pathologies. I accept your theory. Oh, does that not make sense? I mean, I know you don't have a kid, but like, doesn't it make sense that you would be very nervous about keeping your kids safe? So you'd be thinking about worst case scenarios.

1:01:54You do this all the time. I know you do. Yeah, but I never jump from I'm afraid of this worst case scenario. So let me just manifest the worst case scenario. Okay, but like, all right. So if you're standing near the edge of a building, you've never thought about jumping or falling off. Yes, certainly, but then you don't do it. Right. I'm not, I'm not excusing the doing. Yeah. I'm explaining why the thought happens that when you are near an edge of a building, the reason you think about it is because you're, because there's the risk of the building. Yeah, exactly. And your brain is basically telling you, hey, big fucking risk right here. Huge risk. Don't do this. Oh, so you're saying that the constant need to keep your child safe also inserts the thought in your head of damaging your child's. Exactly. Yeah. But if you're, if you are ruminating on it, you can turn it from, hey, this is a warning that I'm having into a, this is a drive that I'm having that I want to actually hurt my kid. And if you are then put on, you know, crazy amounts of medication or you're just a crazy person more broadly, you might actually carry it out. Now, it's very rare, obviously,

1:02:58because not many people kill their own children. It still seems like a leap to me, the fear to drive. It is, it's a huge leap, of course. So I don't, but it's the same, what I'm saying is, it's the same dynamic as to why that thought exists in your brain, though. Like you are so, you are so concerned about your child's safety that you're constantly thinking about. There's like, there was a friend of mine on Twitter, it was posted about it. I've never been concerned about money and then decided to burn money. Yeah. The thought to burn money. Yeah, but that's because you have a healthy sense of what your thoughts are actually like guarding you from or instructing. In fact, the reason you think about losing money is so that you don't do it. So I'm saying I have a hard time understanding the thought process of someone who's fear jumps to, I should take the exact action of the thing that I'm afraid of. Right. Well, what I'm saying is that the next iteration of it, if you have some sort of psychological issue, is that you're having these very normal thoughts that, let me get back to

1:03:59the story I said about the girl who posted about her young daughter. She says, I go walking with my daughter every day and I oftentimes think about putting her in full body armor because she's just going to walk her like four month old. And then she thinks about putting herself in body armor in case there's a crisis that she has to defend her daughter from. And then she realizes, oh, if I were to put my daughter in body armor and me in body armor, like we would probably have heat exhaustion as we go walking in the sun. Like this is fucking stupid. What am I even doing? But the reason that thought exists is because she's very concerned about protecting her daughter. So all I'm saying is that that is a very natural thought. The reason that that thought exists is to keep your kid alive. The reason the next thought exists is because you were mentally ill. That you take that thought of preservation and you convert it in from a preventive measure to holy shit, I'm going to do this to holy shit. I just did this. Like that's where you get the argument for psychosis. I just think that the problem is that that line, once you cross it, you don't come

1:05:00back. You got to go away, you got to go away forever. That's at least that's my. I'm okay with that. And I think it says something about people that they're jumping on. No, leave this lady alone. It's like fine. Maybe she was in a rough spot. She killed her three kids. She did. Just so people understand too. Like she strangled them. That is so personal. Like you, you just line up your perfect little eight month old and you just look at it as it's eyes, like the life drains that I have its eyes. And then you go, all right. And next and next and you're talking about if a dude did it, just women coming out, he needed help. It has happened. It has happened. And no woman came out to defend him. You'd be shocked. And by the way, he got the death penalty as he probably should have, even though I don't support the death penalty because I don't trust the state, but setting that aside, it's like this, this has happened quite a few times. It's happened in Ireland. It happened in America. And every time it's a man, literally no one defends him. And I don't think you should.

1:06:02You might have sympathy for them. You know, you can still be human about it, but you can't fucking be free, dude. You have to go away. Civilization cannot survive it. And by the way, I think that if anybody is in such mental condition that they are a danger to themselves or others, you ought to be removed from society too. This is my whole argument against the homeless schizophrenics that are fucking pervasive. They are so dangerous. You know, the, I mean, you live in, or you have spent a lot of time in New York, so you know it, but downtown San Diego at its peak of homelessness, it got really bad. LA obviously has a huge problem with it. San Francisco too. You will have homeless people that are walking around just fucking screaming at the top of their lungs for no reason, shadow boxing, seeing, you know, seeing shadow like, like, you know, twitching because they jump because they see some. Like I realized that the vast majority of those people are never going to hurt somebody. But can we all just agree that we shouldn't be living like this? I just, I don't even understand the argument against it. Like we're going to let schizophrenics walk around just because we think that like there's still a decent chance they won't

1:07:05shift somebody. You lived in New York for a while. You know, what's your thoughts? Unlocking up the schizophrenic homeless people. Yeah. Because I've totally shifted on this. I used to be fucking like, nah, you can't have the state just put, I'm like, no, you got to put them away. Man, you coming in with all the heavy topics. Yeah, my feeling with, all right, I've said this example before on, on my show, in regards to this topic, which is, um, imagine you got one of your crazy, yelling homeless people. Like the, the most yelling guy you've ever seen. And I walk up to him and I say, Hey, man, if you walked to the end of the street corner, you touched that stop sign, you come back, I got a thousand dollars for you. What percentage of those people you think could even do it? Yeah. If you offer them a thousand dollars, hey, I just want you to walk there, touch this and come back. What percentage of them do you think go, oh, shit, that's a thousand dollars. I think for most homeless people, they could do it for the screaming, yelling guy, a 50, 50 shot. You think it's 50, 50? Yeah. I think it's 90, 10 really. Yeah. Okay. And the reason

1:08:11I say that is that they are coherent. Yeah. There's still a level of rational decision-making. And the fact that we allow the behavior is what gets them to engage in the behavior. Okay. And we can ramp up the example. Imagine you tell the guy, Hey, listen, you got two choices right now. You can walk to that sign, touch it and walk back. I'll give you a thousand dollars. Or you could decide not to. I'm going to beat the shit out of you. Where do you think the percentage changes now? I think it goes up because they still have some level of self preservation. Right. Right. So I don't know the thing. Maybe that's the test. Then anybody who doesn't go get the money. Yeah. And they're falling psychotic. You lock them up. Yeah. That's an interesting thing. I think it's in part the reason why it's so pervasive is just the fact that we allow for it. Like I think if every single time someone was doing that on the subway, they got removed from the subway. They wouldn't do it the next time. I've seen homeless people who like cower when they step over the line. And then they realize that there's a threat of violence and they turn back into like a

1:09:12four year old pleading. I've seen that I've never threatened a homeless person with violence. And I can't like think of an example on the time I have. But I've certainly seen like a homeless person like overstep and like a storekeeper loser shit. And they literally turn into like the four year old who's like pleading that just got in trouble with their mom caught with something. Yeah. So I think a lot of it is the fact that we just kind of decided, oh, the state regulates these areas. The state's not going to do anything about it. And they just kind of know that they can engage in the behavior. And I think that there's a way to change the incentive structure of what's allowed. They could probably clean up a lot of it. Yeah. But I think I think the problem is is that even when you do lock them up, it's usually catch and release. You know, it's like there is no actual punishment. And many of them, you know, they look at jail, especially if they haven't been able to raise enough money, panhandling to be like, all right, I'm going to go away for a week. I'm going to get I'm going to eat as much as possible. I'll be back on the street in a week. It's like the downside for them is very minimal. I saw a video when I don't even know if it was true, but of some dude, I thought he was doing some YouTube video of being nice and bailing some

1:10:16dude out. And the guy gets out of jail and he's, yeah, he's just furious. He goes, dude, I had a fucking bed in there and food. What the hell? Yeah. Why don't you have some back on the street? Well, it's kind of like when you see the dude who's, uh, oh, being on fentanyl. And then they hit him with the shot to bring him back and they're angry. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I've never seen that. My brother is a firefighter and he's a paramedic for years in in Frisco, dude, like Frisco proper. So he might want it to die or they're just enjoying the cause. The high is unbelievable. Right. So they're all, they're all chasing this high all day. They're robbing and panhandling. They finally got it. They finally get it. And then you're just like sober and they're like, um, but it's funny because like they are literally dying and they don't even, they can't even put that, but that's just because the addiction is so deep. It's, it's tragic. There was a story. This one's, it's just terrible. But it's, I think it was, I forget where this park was. It's another headline. I don't remember the article, but they were hitting, uh, Narcan to people who were just

1:11:17Jesus Christ. Dude, that's actually really dangerous. Like, because you know what? Narcan does you. Yeah, it just ramps you all the way. The fuck up. Yeah. It'll turn your heart rate up to like 200. If you do that to someone who's asleep, I think like people were like sleeping in the park and they were just hitting them with. To try and get them to stop sleeping in the park. That, that ought to be the next iteration of, uh, of Jackass or it's like just super dangerous shit. You're hitting, hitting sleeping people with Narcan and they're just like, oh my god. Um, I didn't want to ask you about the, uh, what I, I talk about this a lot and I never see you and Dave talking about it. Okay. There is, there is a, in my, in my view, a very obvious botan paid for influencer environment. Um, that is so egregious and over the top and appalling at this point that it's kind of undeniable and I'm just curious, have you noticed it? And or, why do you not talk about it all if, if you have noticed it? All right. Let's go with name names. Who do you think is top of the list of just bottom paid for? Little Merv. Okay. And who do you

1:12:19think? Give me some more. Loomers obviously is. Yeah. Look, uh, Gunther. I don't even know that. Yeah. There's a bunch of like, uh, cat turd, you know, all these, all these like conny could count that, right, that really have no skills above having a large following on at Twitter. You know, like, yeah, it's literally their only marketable asset is that they have a lot of followers. And that's it. That's all they got. Um, they don't have a podcast. No one fucking cares about them otherwise. So I think they just all sold the fuck out. Right. It's the new iteration of media and that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. But it's really sad because like, we were supposed to be different. Like we were the people that got into this because we hated the corporate news and now y'all are that right. Uh, it might not have been a major theme, but I don't feel like that's an issue that we've shied away from or not called people out for. Uh, I think Ben Shapiro probably gets more of our wrath than anybody else. And, uh, do you think he's paid? I mean, Dave is referred to him as a Israeli spy. Yeah. He did that in the last episode. I heard that. Um, but he,

1:13:24but he always, he always caches it as like, he might as well be. Yeah. He's not saying like, oh, he's actually caching checks from massage or whatever. Um, and to be fair today, I'm sure he doesn't want to get sued, but also we don't know. And also Ben Shapiro definitely has a tremendous affinity for Israel. So like, would he be doing anything differently? I don't know. I'm, this is a topic I'm fascinated by. It's, uh, you know, I've been doing on the porch tour of the, my presentation on FBI and trapman schemes. And, uh, my overarching premise is that essentially the FBI fabricates news stories that match their agenda and it raises their budget. And now, I'm really starting to dig into the topic in regards to the CIA of, uh, like, how much media they've produced over the years or books that they've published or college professors that they funded to essentially, uh, craft narratives. And so I, I, I, so when I'm trying to, I'm fascinated by the topic of the false signal, um, that's created by not just media, but also academia, um, that is

1:14:29just government funded. And, uh, yeah, I, you ever see the, uh, Rick and Morty episode where, uh, about whether or not Pluto is a planet. Probably, but I don't see. Got Jerry and he's an idiot and he's going Pluto's a planet. And the people of Pluto are, uh, like, using their corn to shrunk to the size that it's no longer a planet. And they want a person who will say that it's a planet. And so they bring Jerry to Pluto and they start giving him the most advanced awards and all Pluto. And they're cherishing him as like the chief scientist. Yeah. And, um, it's what Rothbard describes as the feedback loop between the state and the academics that people who have a lot of money and funding are viewed as prestigious. And so then it falsifies the signal is, oh, this guy's the prestigious one. He must be right. And so if you go forward with the state's narrative, they give you a lot of funding. Yeah. You appear to be the prestigious person. And then it also serves the state function because they get more power and money because they are the prestigious professors are the one that's endorsing what the state is looking for. And I think a lot of it, I think

1:15:35just a lot of the general storylines and media and everything is that circle jerk loop between government and academics. Completely agree. Uh, and, uh, and, yes. And so I think what you're picking up on now is these, uh, it's just migrating into our world. Yes. Yeah. Uh, no disagreement. I think that's exactly what's happening. I just think I guess I take it more personally because like I know some of these people, um, I have yet to have a personal interaction or a show or a person that I watched who I thought was honest and then clearly turned to paid. I have yet to have that experience personally. Well, I have, and name names already did wait, you had a personal interaction with Laura Lumer. Yeah. Really? Yeah. We used to date. I'm kidding. Man, I always knew you were gay. No, uh, we went to a house party, um, me and a bunch of people in in South Florida and she was there. We hung out for like an hour. Okay. She seemed really nice. She always struck me as just

1:16:36nuts. Yeah. Well, the first interaction was, uh, when she taped her, she changed herself to like the Twitter headquarters in New York. Wasn't that her years ago? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I never, well, she, I mean, I looked at that as like just someone who knows how to get PR. You know, she had, she had lost her social media outlets and she didn't have anybody that was willing to report on it. So she just put herself in the news. I thought that was resourceful. I've never trusted people with the face from saw. Well, I'm not saying you should trust her. I'm just saying that particular story seemed like understandable. She had built up a little following and she was just trying to reclaim. And then Israel came along with the paycheck and she just went hardcore for that. Well, and then I got you look, there are people who are obvious and there are people who are less obvious. But you have definitely been on with some people who are less obvious. I think that the the IRL panel has, has raised, raised the, oh, okay. Has raised the IRL a lot of people. So that's not a show that I ever listened to or followed. And I only, even when all your people were going on there, you didn't give a fuck. I pay close to zero attention to anything. Fair enough. Yeah.

1:17:39Fair enough. But you, but you were on there like six months ago. Yes. Yeah. All right. That's, but by the time I got there, that's what it was. No, I know. Yeah. So you didn't see the shift. So I guess it didn't hit you the way it hit me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll just tell you, and I was, I was annoyed. I didn't go harder at them while I was there because I was trying to get along. Please, please confirm to the audience that I was begging you to just fucking go ballistic. I was coaching Robbie up. I was like, yeah, you got to go hard in the paint. I was over to sit back and crack jokes on the topics as they're coming up. And I gave them as hard of a time as I could on the IRL work because they were preaching it ahead of it. But I was trying to be a good guest. And I was watching Tim roll his eyes at me while I was talking. And so I sat back. Yeah. Well, this is, this is the nature of like also being a first timer on that show. You're, you're trying to try to feel it out. It took me, I've been on there a dozen times. So like, it takes a while to get to a comfort zone where you're just like, I'm gonna fucking throw down on some of these topics. Unless you're a psycho dickhead. And then you just throw down the first time

1:18:43you get there. But that's not how I am. So I get it. But anyways, the, the reason I asked about it is because, well, one, I think it's a huge opportunity for people like you and I that are not to get a paycheck and get out out. No, no, no, no. Well, I'm sure that that is definitely an opportunity. If you want it. But I think on the inverse, it's very, it's actually very high time preference to take these payouts. I think that they're, they're hemorrhaging support. They're destroying their reputations. I think that their audiences are vanishing. So I think anybody who's like actually for real about this shit, who's not going to take the buyouts will end up ascendant as a consequence because so many of these other people are transparently selling out that it's like, what are the audiences going to do? They're going to go find somebody else. I just stand while in, you know, so you don't even think about it at all. Specifically, what other influencers are clearly bought and paid for? Yeah. I mean, I, I guess I noticed to some extent who's just being full of shit. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm talking about. Yeah, but

1:19:44I don't know. No, that's fine. If you, if it doesn't bug you like the way it bothers me, that's fine. That explains why you guys don't talk about it that much. I think I'm probably just more aligned with your second thought of, oh, this person's being full of shit. They're not going to last. Yeah, they're destroying themselves. So what, what do I need to talk about? Now, when someone has a particular talking point and if people are starting to accept that talking point and I know that it's false, then I'll, then I'll feel like I need to take it on. But aside from, listen, I want to take down the people who are in power. And so when politicians or people who are perceived as highly credible or making statements, I get excited to take down their statements. And I think everyone on their list at some point in time on part of the problem, if they said something that we disagreed with. Yeah, you'd just be honest for sure. I think the issue is that it's not just about people with power. It's also who's got audience.

1:20:46Right, but I'm not saying that's why we've taken on Tim Pull when he said things that we thought were agenda driven or just wronged. And we go after Ben Shapiro all the time. Mark Levin's been a big name over the last six months. If you go back two years ago on the show, we were taking on mainstream media all the time. They just became so irrelevant that there's no real reason to even debunk it. And so the podcast classes more who we have to go after after they're making dumb statements because they're almost more influential. But yeah, this brings back to the the naturalness question because it was I was invited to do that debate with Brandon Stracha that happened tonight. It was four and four America first versus Maga. Obviously, I'm in the America first camp, which is I don't know that is he's the walk away dude. He was a wrestler on J6. Doesn't matter. But he's the host of it. And I would have been on the panel with Alex Jones, which would have been fucking so much fun. So much fun. But I couldn't get out to Texas for it. So anyways, I haven't had a chance to watch all the things. You also wouldn't have said a word.

1:21:48I would have tried. But yeah, I would have had a hard time. But it would have been fucking so great to go up against Andrew Wilson and Bull Chamberlain like. Oh, yeah. I would have been a dream. They're still of the belief that Maga is the real America first. They're just what's the debate prop base. I don't know that there's like an actual prompt. It's Maga versus America first and there's a bunch of questions around that divide. Okay. And it's like basically Trump supporters versus former Trump supporters is kind of what it is. And I just that this is the question I'm trying to get to with you is do you think that like Andrew Wilson and Will Chamberlain and all these guys are sincere like because for me, I sure like if you're a Neil con and you support Israel above everything else, then you love what Trump's been doing. But otherwise, I just feel like there was no sincere person who looks at Trump's second term and they go, this guy's fucking for real America first. Like he's done a great job. This is definitely magas alive. We're doing great. It's going to sound like a dodge. I do not pay attention to these people. So Will Chamberlain,

1:22:53I think I've seen do appearances on Pierce Morgan with Dave. That's the only reason I know his name. Yeah. That's the only reason you say. And I would say yes, that's a paid advocate of, you know, of the Israel Neil con agenda. Yeah. Andrew Wilson, I've never paid attention to. I think I trashed him recently on a part of the problem, but I was saying just. Yeah. Oh, I remember what you said. You said you didn't like him because he's not actually there to debate and find truth. He's there to win debates. And that's and by the way, I completely get all appeal to my own emotions here. That's kind of my emotional read on him, but I can give you analytics that support it, but just right off the bat, when I, the couple clips I saw of him, there's even in the world of comedy. Listen, I'll never to, I will never say that George Carlin is not a great comic. I don't turn on a George Carlin special and go, I want to watch all of this and I got to consume this and guys entire content library. So me as a media consumer, there's some people that they talk and you're instantly

1:23:55like, Oh, this guy has information that I don't know. I need to consume more of this because, wow, this guy is really compelling and smart. And you know, it's not always like good or bad. Sometimes it's just this is hooking me. This is not sure. My read on Andrew Wilson, the first couple times and whatever it was like, I don't like this personality. I don't like this like aggressive dickery thing. It doesn't speak to me. Other people might get excited by it because they think it's like he's such a high intellectual. He can engage in that behavior and get away with it. And so that excites some people. That doesn't excite me. And then when I watch the maneuvers, I'm like, this is more about the art form of debating and winning an argument and not actually seeking a, like a conversation or a debate towards truth. That is uninteresting to me. The sportsmanship of it. Right. Now, Andrew Wilson seemingly, there's a narrative that over the last three months, he's jumped into paid influence or category. Seemingly, I guess defending Trump and the Kirk storylines,

1:24:56I even followed him enough over the last two years, three years of his rise to have a read on where he came from or where he went to. Well, I'll give you a, give you a good example. When, and this is actually the case with a lot of people that I think are paid to defend the prosecution's case on Kirk, I know you haven't followed it closely, but I have, there are many, many people, including Andrew Wilson that came out in the immediate aftermath of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, who said the exit one doesn't make sense. They said that Andrew Wilson actually said this almost verbatim that he thought that the internet would solve this case. Now, he's literally spending $300,000 to argue against the person who's on the internet, the largest person on the internet trying to solve this case. It's fucking crazy. So it's just the way I see these people and the reason I talk about as much as I do is because I really, I cherish this thing that we're in. You think they're perverting it. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like I'm like a, I'm kind of a curious about the issue. It's like when the woke comics came along and you're like, fuck this, it's bringing down the art form. Exactly. You know what's interesting? I'm learning right now. I don't have that

1:26:00emotional attachment to podcasting. Okay. I get what you're saying because I had this in stand-up comedy that when people are doing something more than than podcasting. That's fair. Yeah, that's fair. No, but I get what I'm trying to solve. No, no, no, no, I'm picking up on it. It's a emotional thing of this is, this is reducing the art form. Yeah. It's like, it's almost, it's almost tarnishing all of us because this was supposed to be the place where like we're just, what, right or wrong, we're all in pursuit of truth. We're all telling the truth as best we can. We may disagree, but like we're all headed in the same direction. And then you, you have these fucking mercenaries that come out of nowhere. And they're still, they're still considered the same as you, but they ain't you. So I'll give you a, but I'm not fucking getting paid to lie. You know, and that, that makes me mad too because I'm turning down money. I'll give you another aspect of this. And this I have talked about on Run Your Mouth that podcasting is kind of the new suit and tie. And so you have politicians like Gavin Newsom, who to make them seem like a person instead of going

1:27:02into a new station with the suit and tie will dress like, yeah, the unbuttoned shirt. Yeah, because this is the, they might throw a shit in there. Yeah. This is the new way to try and pretend that you're credible because this registers to people is, oh, this is what this is what's credible is two guys that are just hanging out of their kitchen and they've got the sure microphones and it's water down, but they're actually just being honest. Right. And so they now have had to duplicate that where they take the individuals that used to be a new studios and they put them into this environment. Exactly. So it can trick people's mind into like, oh, no, that's a real person. He's being credible. He's doing the podcasting thing. Right. But yes, see the reason that I don't take that so personally is because I think anybody who's a fan of podcasts already knows that Gavin Newsom is doing that for the exact same reason that you just described. But I think a lot of people who may listen to podcasts periodically, but maybe not super fans, they'll throw on Andrew Wilson and they'll be like, that's Dave Smith with the different opinion. And I'm like, that ain't fucking Dave Smith with a different opinion. Okay. I just like, I want to make it very clear to people.

1:28:04I think that there are mercenaries in our midst. And I take it personally. I think you are a hundred percent right. And I have a personal problem in my, my thinking, which is sometimes when I don't like something, I assume it's just going to go away. So like, take Taylor Swift. I'm like, I don't, I'm like, I don't get this. No, no, I'm saying, I just, I don't get this. And I know that I'm right because I listen to better music than Taylor Swift. And I'm like, at some point, people are going to realize, this isn't cool. And guess what? You got to tell them. You got to tell them. And I am wrong all the time. I was wrong during COVID. I would have thought more people would figure it out sooner than they did. So I guess I, I give people too much credit where I'm like, I know it's right. And I know that these people are not being honest. People see it. And I think I give, I guess I project too much that other people might come to my tastes and opinions, which they do not. In fairness, though, I think people that are listening to us or you want POTP, they're like,

1:29:05they are us, you know, so they do see what we see oftentimes before we, we say it out loud. So it's probably true that we don't need to be pointing out all of the mercenaries in our midst to the extent that I do. But I think, I think it is helpful to have someone that's in this world that is actually saying like, Hey, there are, there are big money deals that are floated to people. And I've seen them. I know they exist. And I'm not taking them. And there are people that are taking them. And it's just, that's all, I'll just leave it that as long as you have that information in your arsenal when you are analyzing these topics and these, these debates, I just want you to realize that there is big, big money that is funding certain, certain sides of these arguments. And you ought to be aware that that's happened. We need it. It's so funny. We need real journalism. Where's a real journalist to write the article? Where's like the intercept to do like the old school, like 15 page piece on, Hey, here's all the money, the foreign influence or government

1:30:06influence that's currently in podcasting. And here's the paychecks where it's coming from. Dude, I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. And honestly, if someone wants to do that expose, it'll go crazy viral. The problem is you'll get sued. I mean, even if you have the receipts, I still think you'll have a lot of lawsuits that are flying because there's so much money that's being, that's exchanging hands. And it will be so devastating reputationally that just in the duration of the lawsuit, like the two years it takes to see it through, you'll still have all of the people that are on the payroll that are saying, I'm suing over this. It's not true. You know, so just to try and solve it, to salvage the reputations. But it is fucking true. I'm telling you, it's fucking true. So that's just what people to understand. Yeah. I also just have the problem that that person's a fed accusation gets thrown around so much. No, of course, it's even gotten thrown at like fountains. Of course. So, you know, I guess it's hard to get an actual clean read on who's got the government paycheck. Well, right. And and the truth is a lot of people are retarded. A lot of people have bad opinions. So like, I'm not, I'm not saying that just because you disagree with

1:31:09the Clint thinks of you, Fuentes. What I'm saying is that just because you disagree with me, doesn't mean that you're paid to have that opinion. What I'm talking about is specifically when I see people who make pivots, like hard pivots. And I'm like, there is no natural progression evolution of this dynamic. You just went like, I think this. And then you get cashed check. Now I think the exact opposite of what I thought yesterday, it's like, bitch, you sold out. It's so obvious. I just don't like it. So anyways, now that's off my chest. Where we going next? When can I have one of these offers? Just don't listen to me anymore. When you see a hard pivot, just know that I decided I'm done being poor. And don't listen anymore. It'll be for a new audience. All you got to do is have a couple hundred thousand followers on X. You'll get offers. I think I think you got to be much bigger than than you and I are on YouTube to actually get offered like a script. But you think people get straight up scripts? Oh, yeah. That's wild to me. Yeah, I would actually, I mean, I was kidding. I would never do that. I already know it exists on

1:32:11on. It's also crazy. Just what's your at that level? Just how greedy and insecure are you that you got to a point by being honest and now you want to change course for current money? This seems foolish. This is the reason that I pointed out the cat turns of the world because they don't have any skills. There is no way to market this shit. You're like, okay, you got up to a million followers. You might make, I don't know, six thousand a month from X or something like that, seven maybe. But if you sell out, you can make fucking $40,000 a month. And there is no upside to not selling out for this dude because he's not ever going to get any bigger than he is. So it's just like basically the only safeguard is you have a soul and a lot of people don't have souls. So, that's my read of it. I don't know if I know cats heard what for real? I don't. It's like the biggest influencer account on the right on X. Yeah. Yeah. It's just some fucking old dude with a cowboy hat

1:33:14that lives in Florida. But it's his little picture is like a cat. And what's his big thing that we're doing the right thing in Iran that everything Trump does is fucking great. I hate those people. Yeah. And I honestly, I think at this point, this is the reason I'm so obsessed with it is because and this is why I asked you earlier, do you think there's anybody who honestly believes that Trump is kicking ass? I've met them and it's insane to me, but I have met them. What's wrong with them? I think they just still have hope. Really? Because because some of these people genuinely think like what's happening now is great. And I'm like, I don't think what I don't think what they I don't think they look at the current situation and go, this is great. They just think that they're still just think that Trump's a winner and that there's some solution here that's winning. And they can't wrap their heads around. It's the cognitive dissonance that they can't wrap their head around how much of a fan they were and how hopeful they were for what he was going to achieve.

1:34:17And so I know in the first six months of the Trump presidency, I found that that was some of the hardest time to podcast because I was criticizing him right out of the gate. And he had a lot of people who were like, hey, like this is our hope. This is what we're standing on. This is the thing that's going to change. You can't be cutting this down right now. Like we got to we got to stay on the team. We can't ruin this. Like they almost felt like you were going to ruin this thing. We still have to have hope. We still got to be on board. And I was more of in the lane of, I just got to be honest about what I'm seeing. Sure. And I don't think I think not voicing valid criticisms is actually a better path because you're just going to see more of what you don't like. I think you need to be honest about what you don't like. You're saying voicing valid criticism. That's what I'm saying. I was voicing valid criticism. And people I'm fully in that camp just to be clear though, I actually agreed with those the detractors to you in the first, I'd say four months. Okay. So I think that feeling that you had at four months, they still have

1:35:21it. They just you're in half in a year and a half. That's fucking crazy too. Because like, you know, four four months in there was some indications of some positive shit that they were working on. And I was like, let's see. You know, I wasn't I wasn't telling people not to bitch like complain, you know, try and keep that that momentum going. But I did think that there was a chance that we would get a third of the shit that we were promised. And we ended up getting like eight percent of it. It's funny. I did a triple E's podcast at the beginning of the Trump administration. And maybe I can even go back and find it. But I did. Ten foil hat or different. I think it was ten foil hat. I believe it was ten foil hat. And you probably, yeah, he just put out a great special. He's so. Oh my God. His specials great. I haven't seen the special. But I probably saw some of the work that he put into it. Cause I was probably cause I've done a lot of shows with him. And there were a lot of jokes in there that I'd never seen. Some of them were great. Dude, one of his jokes that really got me was, you know, Epstein, I'm going to ruin his joke. But

1:36:22it was great. It was like Epstein, you know, they what do you have like these like he had three million emails. And he was doing all this molesting. Like how does someone multitask at that level? That's such a great hundreds of victims and millions of emails. Yeah. Pick a lane. Yeah. How you getting all this shit done? Triple E's a great guy, by the way. I love him. I, but what was I saying? I don't remember. I don't know. We were connecting it. We were talking about how Trump, Trump fans that are still eating on tape and then we transitioned into triple E somehow. I don't know why. Yeah. Sorry. I lost thoughts sometimes. By the way, I didn't want to rewind to that thing you said earlier where you're like, I may not sit down and watch a carlin special and be like, I'm going to consume his whole, his whole catalog. For me, I want to know which comic you actually feel that way about because I would imagine it's a very high bar. For me, the only comic that I've ever felt that way about, even though I've never been a comic myself is Louis, Louis K. Yeah. Louis unbelievable. And like when I was a kid at any Murphy, but I didn't understand the art of comedy back then. Right. By the way, the point I was making there is that sometimes you just

1:37:24make a response to, I like this or I don't like that. And that doesn't mean that the thing that you don't like is actually bad. It's just your personal taste. Oh, sure. Now, like carlin is phenomenal. And I've seen some good bits, but it just doesn't hook me in that way that I'm like, I have to consume all this. The ones that did, top of this is Doug Stanhope. I found really. Oh my god. He's the best ever. Now, his catalog is so big and his later work is not quite on par with some of the absolutely phenomenal hours that he put out. But I was used to, there used to be a website called badslava.com. And that was the website to find open mics. And on the bottom of it, they had all these famous comics on the bottom. And I never heard of Doug Stanhope, right? And there's a picture of Doug Stanhope there. And I'm like, who's this guy who's standing next to Chappelle Louie? Like all of the biggest comic names you've ever seen. Like, why is this guy's picture here? And I looked him up and I was a big drinker then. And I was always drinking on stage. And people would give me shit for it. And I find this guy. And he's just ripping. I was like,

1:38:27this is my guy, right? And then if you're new to Doug Stanhope, go watch No Reef funds first. That's like his quintessential perfect special. But from there, I just had to consume all of it. That's so interesting. I've never been a good standoff fan. You got to go first. By the way, he's got brilliant libertarian shit. I know that. I know that he's often libertarian thing. Yeah. But he had, you can teach a man to fish. They tell you you can teach a man to fish, but they don't tell you he's going to need a license. He's going to have to get a permit. He's going to have to pay the taxes. He also had his bid on, like these bid on marriage, which is baby, what we have here is so good. We're going to get the government in on this. He had brilliant stuff. But Louis, Louis and Doug Stanhope are probably top of lists that when I found them, I literally watched every single thing that they had on YouTube. Like there wasn't one thing that they had that I did not consume start to finish. Greg Jorald was up there on that list. I saw him live before he died. Really? Yeah, I did. Like one year before he died, I saw him in

1:39:30Orange County. I'll tell you a funny story was I, you're like, I killed him. No, no, no. This is just an insane OCD thought that I had was I, I don't really watch a lot of comedy now. But early on comedy, when I was like four or five years in, I would try and make a more of a point of if there was someone I really like, I was like, I really want to see them. And you'd find comments and be like, Oh, wow, I really like what this guy's doing. I want to go see him. And so, I, Patrice was playing in New York and I never, I never met Patrice, never interacted with Patrice. And I really wanted to see him. And then something came up that night. I didn't go and he died like a week later. Oh, same thing happened with Jorald. And then I had tickets to see Robert Kelly was playing at just doing like a set at the seller. And I really wanted to see Robert Kelly. And I started running late and I was running there like, he's gonna die. I gotta go. I can't go. The funny thing about that is that of those three, yeah, Robert Kelly was the one I thought would have died young. And then he ended up just losing a body weight worth of person.

1:40:34Yeah. Um, man, he was so funny that night. Robert Kelly was doing this whole bit about his wife, waxing, his asshole. And it was one of the hardest I've ever laughed at a live show. He's a great comment. Yeah. And I'm glad he's still alive for the record. Yeah. Nick, Nick Topolo is fantastic. I used to consume all of Nick Topolo stuff. Um, yeah, I guess that's my, uh, that's my comedy hierarchy. There's some other note, where they want to get David Tell, you know, so did Patrice make the top 10, uh, my personal top 10, yeah, Patrice would be in my top 10. Okay. Just making sure that there's some fucking equity here, Robbie, because I was getting concerned. It was all, it was all white people in the times and Jews. And I was like, yo, I'm good. Uh, yeah, for me, Eddie Murphy and Patrice are definitely there. Louis CK. Honestly, I think Louis CK is my favorite comic about time. He's just so, he's so fucking dark. And I really, for whatever reason, I think because I've been a comedy fan for 30 years now, like you, if you don't hit me with some darkness, like some wild darkness, you cannot shock me. You can't surprise me. You can't catch me off guard. And that's a big

1:41:35trigger for actual laughing out loud. So you kind of have to give me that or else I can't get on board. So that's why I love him so much. But anyways, there's a lot of other comics that I love. Uh, not Dave, obviously, I'm kidding. He's very funny too. Uh, Dave's one of the best live sets I've ever seen. When I, the one time I went to the mothership, uh, firstly, I, I swatched David LL all the time. And that was wild because, uh, whatever happened in the news that day, he had the best joke on it. And those were the hardest crowds that had no interest in politics. And he always got it across. I saw him build livertocid LL over the years, which I had a lot of incredible liberty oriented material. Dude, people, I think, I think it's because especially even on part of the problem, like you joke way more than Dave does. Dave is, he's Dave's kind of like me when it comes to political commentary where like we might throw a joke in here or there. But for the most part, we're like doing, you know, hard analysis. So a lot of people who only know him from that they do not know that he'll be great comic, but he is a fucking great. No, he's a killer.

1:42:36And, uh, but I'm telling you, dude, I once saw a shapel at the comedy seller, uh, stand, I got to just stand on the hallway. That's one of the best sets I've ever seen. I saw a normic talent live. I can't believe I didn't mention mentioned shapel. I think it's the most gifted stage presence human being that like next to Hitler. I'm serious. He's that fucking good. Like they'll just stand there. He'll not say a word for 30 seconds. Like that's, and just the whole audience will be fucking dead silent. It's crazy, dude. But I'm telling you, like I've seen magical sets. I used to see I saw Louis when he was taping Louis at the seller. I used to like, I wonder if anyone has ever coiled a shapel to Hitler. So go ahead. Um, but I texted Dave. It was, he was doing the mothership saturday night, the day that, uh, the Trump got shot. Oh shit. And Dave hadn't seen that story yet. I was in the car to go to the mothership. And I was like, Hey, I don't know if you've seen this. It's probably lucky that we're in the mothership tonight. Things might get crazy in the country. Yeah. Someone just tried to shoot. He's like someone just,

1:43:38I was like, yeah, you got to go look this up. And then Dave got on stage and he still does, like a version of this bit. It's just not as long. He did a half hour on it. And I was like, I don't know how he came up with a half hour from when this just happened. And I've never seen, like I'm telling you, it's probably the greatest live comedy said I've ever seen. Wow. The incident happened a half hour beforehand. He had, I don't know, somewhere between 20 and 40 minutes just on that murdering in the room. He had to do it. Been ad living half of it. I don't know, no, because I know jokes. And there were jokes in there. Like it was not just, and I'm telling you, I've never seen a, that's might be the best set I've ever seen. What the fuck? And I've seen incredible sets. Like I told him you have to put that out. Like just put that out as it is. I felt like an asshole because I just didn't bring, like if I brought my recording gear, I would have just like thrown it up. The mothership apparently, I have hard no recording. No, no,

1:44:44no, maybe it's changed since then. But they record, I think the board sound at the time, it was board sound and video. But comedy is terrible if you don't have a mic of the crowd, because then it's just no laughs. No, no, no. And he can't put it out. And so I think he requested the tape from them, but it was just board sound and video. I think, I don't remember, because I definitely pushed him. I was like, you got to put that out. And either the tape didn't exist, or it was just board sound and video without the, without the audio. I think that's the biggest thing, you know, if I could give some advice, even though I have no reason to be giving David advice is that he ought to be putting out more of his comedy. I've been, I have to run on this. Okay. I've been telling him, that makes me feel better. Yeah. Because you're actually a comic. No, it's crazy. I mean, he literally had an hour of marriage material. Yeah. And it's gotten significantly condensed because he's got so much new political stuff. And, you know, he only does an hour. So, you know, sometimes like he's got at least an hour of stuff

1:45:47that was murdering, was brilliant, that he's not really even doing on the live shows now, because he's got so much news. He's already shelved it and never put it up. And I'm like, you got to, I was like, you got to go put out a double album. You got to do one full hour of marriage and do that whole chunk, because it's incredible. And then you got to get all the, the new political stuff out while it's like right up in the news. Or even if he doesn't want to put out a full fucking hour special, he ought to, he ought to record a nice version of that and then chop it into three minute, you know, bits or five minute bits and put them all on shorts and just, I don't know. Anyways, I'll stop stop lecturing, Dave. I should be having him on with Julian a doubt that'll come up. But if it does, I'll, I'll try and add to the, the lecturing for me. It's just because I think he's such a great comic and I think he's, he's so much more well known for his political analysis than he is for the comedy. And I'm like, we got to fix that. So, that's my two cents. Do you think, do you think, I don't know. I think with Dave, he's just so smart and informed when he's talking about political topics. He's just, he's got like an equal

1:46:52passion where he's like, I got to give you this information. And we're almost lucky that he approaches in that way because, you know, he's convinced so many people and so many things and he's so well informed and well spoken on it. But I don't think that that necessarily takes away from his comedy passion. No, look, it doesn't matter either way, which he's more passive. I think I'm wired for I would prefer to never be serious. And I, but I do engage in seriousness. And that's somewhat I drag you into seriousness. Yeah. No, it's, I, I, listen, I do plenty of serious stuff, even just on my own show, Run Your Mouth. I just spend enough time engaged with the material that I do have an opinion on the stuff, but, yeah, I don't know. But he's more of like an actual academic with something to say on the stuff. Yeah, no, I see that. I didn't want to ask you because I know, you know, Dave, if you gave me a sketch show tomorrow, I could potentially never talk about politics again. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I could tell I could tell

1:47:55that's your passion. But you're good at both just for the record. So you should do the politics thing too. Hey, I'm not going anywhere. I'm hanging out here and I, and I like the bunking stuff. That's where I have fun is like when I can really sink my teeth into something, be like, this is not true. Yeah. And particularly if I can make it funny. Well, you have, you have a really good mind for it. So I hope, I hope you can, you know, find high levels of success in both because I think, I think you do what Dave does. So anyways, the, the, I wanted to talk to you about Rogan because I think Dave, it's kind of a similar dynamic to how I feel about Temple where like, it took a fucking lot to get me to criticize Temple like a lot because I feel like I owe him so much and I feel like for David's even more because Rogan's like, he was the pinnacle and he put him on the map. But I know I'm sure you've seen, well, actually, I can't assume that you've seen anything because you tend to tune out a lot of stuff. But I've seen Rogan getting a lot of pushback for kind of soft-selling, some of Trump's failures. I think, uh, this is dangerous territory here.

1:49:01Well, we can cut this if you want. But let me make my point first. So the reason I bring it up is because Julian Dory, who I've become friends with over the past year, he told me that his policy is no politicians on his show at all. And I was like, and I have had some and I was like, that's a fucking good policy. And the reason I know that is because I got biased by Vivek Ramaswamy because I spent a lot of time with the dude and I was like, I like this guy. And now I can't really be honest about him. I can't, not even be honest, but I can't cover him honestly. I can't like sniff out the bullshit as quickly as I would otherwise. And I think, I think that what's happening with Rogan, this is my personal opinion. Look, and I'm risking something too because I've never been invited on a show and maybe criticism will keep me off. But this comes from a place of love. I'm a fucking huge Rogan fan. I've listened to him since 09, dude. I'm like, OG episode 40 something. I started listening to Rogan. So I say this in love. I think that the same dynamic has happened that he has because he's had JD on his show because he's had Teal and all of the inner circle of

1:50:03the right wing financial, you know, I don't know, influential, terriot or whatever you want to call it. And and Trump that he has a hard time cutting through the bullshit the way he did a decade ago. That's my, that's my reason. I think, well, to speak to your point, I was once doing a libertarian event and I mistakenly thought that Joe Jorgensen was going to be there. And I started getting a little bit nervous about seeing her because I had said that you were going to need to try and bang her. No, I had said the meanest thing is I'm part of the problem. And when you're on part of it, when I'm just talking shit, I'm like, firstly, she deserved all the comments that I said. But you're kind of not a human being to me when I'm talking about it on the show. Right. And then you it's different to run into somebody. And then you engage with the actual person. It's like, I'm not looking to be an asshole. So. And it sucks because Joe Jorgensen is a nice lady. Right. And so I would be inclined. This is where my mental hiccup was. I wouldn't, being inclined in person. If I see you, I have no interest in being a dick to people. I've no

1:51:04interest in picking a fight. I would just be friendly. But then also I'm like, but that kind of makes me full of shit because I said a bunch of shit behind her back on a public format. Right. And I was like, well, if I see her, if she wants to bring that up, I'm not going to walk away from it. Right. And on the same note, I'm not looking to, I'm not looking to go in there and be a friend or trying network, but I can shake her hand and walk away. That was kind of where I was mentally. So I definitely think that there is a human dynamic of, well, yes. Now, adverse that recipe. Say you had not talked about it, but you had had her on your show for two hours. It would be hard to do that same thing that you did. Yes. Yes. Because then you know the person personally. So I fully can understand how that happens. So what I'm saying is I think it is. Dold Rogan's blade a touch. I think Rogan's running. I might get in trouble for this. I don't think I'm going to get in trouble. It's just I'm a fan of Rogan. I love to do. I'd love to work that club. I'd love to maybe get on the show. So I don't want to, I am

1:52:05reluctant to criticize, but in the sake of honesty, I will. I think Rogan's run into a slightly different issue. Who knows? Maybe maybe this will even make its way to him. I call it the Lenny Bruce syndrome, which is Lenny Bruce, his comedy does not speak to me, but at one point he got in trouble with the government. And from what I understand, he basically stopped doing comedy after that. And he just talked about that the government infringed on his free speech. In a way that is a form of self-sensorship and letting the other side win because you're no longer doing the thing that you wanted to do, you're now talking about the thing that they did to you. It's like it's almost it's a different form of censorship because in a way to beat you because you're no longer doing the comedy thing. You're talking about the free speech thing. And so I think Rogan's run into I've personally noticed this as a consumer of Rogan. I think he's become a little bit too concerned with being accurate. And so now they're going to AI a lot when the otherwise would have just let their freak go. And I think it's because his show got so big.

1:53:11And receives so much criticism. And I understand it because even dude with Run Your Mouth, my show's not has not even grown that much over the last couple of years. But I've had a good track record on stuff now that I do not do episodes as loosely as I used to do episodes. Same bro. Because I want to dig in and make sure I'm right. I did not care about that five or six years ago. I was more just shooting from the hip. I'm telling you I spend so much more time. I don't do as many episodes. And I spend a lot more time on every single episode of the preparation because I just don't I did not care about being really was literally called Run Your Mouth. It was here's my fucking take without doing any research. I looked at a headline. Here's an opinion. And I personally seen the change in myself of just being like, no, I take a little pride now. I guess I'm being right. And I want to make sure that I'm right. And I think that Rogan is in the space right now where I must I have to imagine that that is so amplified. It's huge that he had the president and the fucking head of the CDC or whatever Fauci's role was fact checking him in real time. They were

1:54:16lying. Yeah, but they were fact checking his shit that he was saying on his show. It fucked him up, so I think the invention of AI tools and the fact that Rogan can now sit there and be like, hey, let's check AI on that. Hey, is that right? To me makes it a slightly less dynamic show. Look, I'm not even worried about it. I'm just going to say it out is I think Jamie ruined that fucking show because Jamie sitting there fact checking everything Rogan's got to say in real time. And it just it look, I'm all for precision. I'm all for accuracy. I'm not saying I want people to lie to me. What I am saying is there is something beautiful about just free flow conversation, ad living, and he was the best and he was the best and his guest being on there and doing the same thing with him and having that dynamic of a free flow. When you when you pause, even for 10 seconds to fact check some, it fucks up the show. It does. It fucks it up. Like you can I'm all for like next episode. Let me correct what I got wrong. Don't fucking do that in real time. Please stop doing that real time. And they do it all the time. All the fucking every single episode. There will

1:55:20be multiple fact checks from Jamie using their fucking proprietary AI. And I'm like, this is gay. You got to stop doing that, dude. So that's my two cents on it. So I'm glad we kind of agree. But I think I think additionally beyond that. What I'm specifically referencing is I think I think that the relationship to the politicians has made it very hard for him to have that same conspiratorial mindset about, it was like Tim Dylan was kind of going down the same path and then he pivoted hard against it. And he's like, no, no, no, I'm not doing that shit. He's like Peter Tiel and JD Vance and Trump. They're all but brothers. And you know, he goes hard in the pain against them. And I think that that kind of reclaimed his title of being like no nonsense, no bullshit. I'm going to be brutally criticizing everybody. And I think Rogan really struggles with that because of his personal relationship with the Trump administration. That's my two cents. Could be. I'm not going to endorse the opinion, but certainly could be. No, that's fine. You don't have to endorse it. I just wanted to bring it up because I believe it sincerely. And I think to a certain extent, I can be a little full of shit on podcasts sometimes

1:56:26for the sake of professionalism. There you go. And I think to a certain extent, if you want to give Tim pool the benefit of the doubt, I think a similar dynamic has happened with him where he interviewed Trump. He got that 30 minutes. It was a fucking big deal for him. And I think it's really hard for him to like go back into the just the podcast wilderness where I'm talking shit about power because he's already he's already touched the ring. It's like it's right there. So I think that my personal read on Tim is that he's going to end up doing a DC base show because he's already not very far from there anyways. And I think he's going to have politicians on nonstop. And I think that's going to suck dick because that's not the reason that anybody wanted to hear your opinion. Tim, they didn't want to hear you fucking sit down with JD Vance or Tulsi Gabbard or Donald Trump. They wanted you to have on Dave Smith or Scott Horton or Robbie or whatever, right? It's just I don't understand it. It's it feels like a like an internet version of Fox news kind of and that sounds lame. That sounds like I don't know why that I don't know why we need that.

1:57:29I want if you are going to interview a politician unless it's Thomas Massey which Dave interviewed today. Obviously I'm not asking you to be a fucking dickhead to Thomas because I think Massey's like the best guy we've got. But basically any other politician, if you're not if you're not going to ask some difficult questions, what the fuck are we doing? Like why are we wasting our time talking these people? These people suck. So yeah, well, I think yeah, it's a personal thing where I think it's valid to have people on the show. But I think you got to guard yourself against being in their social circle or becoming friends with them. Right. Well, I think there can be value in having politicians on your show. But I think the only value exists if you're willing to ask questions that aren't going to be asked elsewhere. Yeah. Because if it's a question that fucking Sean Hannity is going to ask all Trump, I don't need your ass asking it. I don't need it. There's no value. I want real shit. And I think that's the reason that Rogan doing these long form interviews with some of these politicians had so much value is because he was going to take him in a deep water,

1:58:31let them breed, let them, you know, feel comfortable, say shit that they wouldn't say elsewhere. That was that was valuable. But it's a double edge sword because once you humanize them for two hours in front of you, how do you then reverse course and go like, all right, and now back to cold calculating analyst. It's just not really possible. So all right, Rogan, my invite. You can you can DM me. I'll see you in Austin. By the way, I am going to Austin in November. I'm going to be spending a month in Lake Travis. Oh, sick. So I would expect that my invite just got shredded, which is unfortunate. Okay. I don't honestly, I think I think Rogan, I don't know him, but like, I've listened to him long enough that I would think that he wouldn't want a yes man around him. You know, like, I think he would want someone who's just going to tell it like it is. And it's not like I'm coming from a malicious place. Like I'm a huge fan of fucking Rogan. So whatever. I won't let the guy once for a couple of minutes. So I'll say I have no read on him as an actual person. I haven't had a person once or I'm sorry. Yes, I've only met him in person for a couple of

1:59:34minutes, but I meant if you listen to him, I'll fuck her for fucking thousands of hours. You can vibe about people. And I just feel like, you know, I'd be shocked if you like really have to kiss Rogan's ass to stay on his good side. I could be wrong. I'd be worried. So I'd be surprised by that. So earlier we were talking about, you know, family formation. No, no, no desire for little robbies, huh? I mean, I, I hope to, I hope to have kids at some point. I just don't want to do it now. And as you get older, you start realizing, I think I'm a little bit more up against the deadline. So if you're up against it, so fucking yeah, I think the clock, the clock just went off. Yeah, I think it's just one of the things you're supposed to do with your life. And, but I have not made any moves to actually facilitate it. No moves. You dated around. No, I really have not. The moves I've made is I'm trying to make a really good living so that, you know, I could afford to have a family. So you're a nest building face? I guess so. I'm a dude nest building phase of trying to

2:00:40have financial success and, you know, enough of a world that I think is worth living in. Right. Well, that latter part is going to be hard, but the prior, the former part I got, I got the nest. I don't actually own a home right now, but I've got more than enough assets to do. So multiple times over if I want to. So I have the nest. I just got to find the hen. What's the female bird? No, but I just, as you get older, you do kind of have to accept that your choices lead to outcomes. And I invest all day, every day into kind of podcasting and comedy and sometimes gets wasted because I am a lazy person. Sure. But I have invested close to zero amount of personal output into, hey, let's actually pursue a relationship. So, you know, at some point, it's your own fault. Is that because you've only dated stupid bitches? No, I've hung out with some cool women. Some of you've met and I probably like a little too much, but no, I wouldn't,

2:01:42I would have categorized them that way. The reason I said that is because I like some of them. And my point in bringing that up is to say, because some of them have been cool and you haven't pursued them in that, in that fashion, that tells me that you are for whatever reason, not ready. Yeah, it's probably right. Because if you were ready, you would be pursuing it. If you wanted it, you would be pursuing it. Maybe. I don't know what you're hitting me with all the tough topics today. I got to shit on Rogan. I got to, I mean, I got to get personal about dating. All right. Look, you don't have to. You can just find ways to joke about everything I say if you want. But I'm just saying like, all right, because so I had multiple long-term relationships. I did five years, single for a year, five years, single for a couple years, three years, single for a year. I'm always like single and then long-term relationship. And then like as soon as I get to the marriage phase, I go like, next, it's a big problem I have. And obviously the next iteration, I hope not to do that. But you get spooked at the wire. Well, I wouldn't even say it spooked. It's that like,

2:02:44I just go, I'm not ready. You know, like I was ready to be in love. I was ready to, you know, create a temporary life together. But I wasn't ready to settle down, have kids do the whole, the whole thing. And now I feel like I am. And now I got to find the woman to do that with. But I think that that is the reason I bring up the interim gap, that year-long gap in between where I would date incredible women. And I'd be like, I have no interest in anything serious with you because that was how that was my mindset. It sounds as if you had that mindset throughout this because if you didn't, you would have at least had a significant long-term relationship where you like considered moving in together or something. And you haven't done that at all. So yeah, I don't have a good answer for you. All right. Well, you don't have to have an answer. I'm just trying to understand the dynamic, like the psychology, there has to, you have to have thought about it. Thought about what? Dating? You have to have thought about why you haven't thought about doing it. Right?

2:03:45Um, sure. You know how to make a guy uncomfortable? You have. I don't even know. I'm not trying to make a couple of these are things that I just assumed you thought about. No, I'm very, or I have been really career driven and focused on that that's not where I wanted to be because it wasn't your priority. That was all there was to it. I would say for the most part, not that isn't absolute, but for the most part. Well, the, the not as an absolute little gray area is what I'm trying to get you to unpack and I can tell that you do not want to unpack it. So it's okay. He has aides and he doesn't want to. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to share it with those. I get that. I get that. And honestly, like, you better put a ring on it if you're going to give someone aides. Yeah, that's the rules. No, yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense. You share your buddies with a fine lady because you decided to no longer be gay. You've got no choice but to at least make them your wife. So you can be in holy aides match. Monty together. These are the rules. And I got I got to abide by the rules.

2:04:47I'm confident that those three words have never been said in a concession. Holy aides match and that is a first ladies and gentlemen. That is a sentence that has only been said here one time. Listen, I'd like to get to a point of more control over my schedule and local spots that I can get up and do comedy and maybe live more of a normal life. But at the moment, I'm on the road literally four days a week, nearly every week. No, I know. I know. It's not. It's not heavy. Dude. It's neither a fork of it's neither a focus. Nor do I even think that it's realistically feasible. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, Dave Dave was kind of in that same mindset of you because he was doing very similar lifestyle on the road so much. And then his wife, her name is public, right? I believe so. Okay. Lauren, she just lives it. Lauren basically, as he described it, just trapped him essentially. Like she was just so great that he was like, he went from not really looking for it to like,

2:05:48we're getting married and having kids. So do you think that'll happen to you? Do you think like, do you think that could happen? Or are you like literally walls up? Could not happen? No, I'm, listen, I'm, I'm open to it. But I just, I can recognize that I've not taken the steps to, you know, I can recognize I'm not taking the steps to facilitate a real relationship. Yeah. No, it's, I mean, and traveling as much as you do, it's going to be fucking hard to find that balance. I just, I guess I would have thought the same thing about Dave until it happened. And then it just kind of like, I'm like a last minute guy when there's one sperm left in the tank, I'm going to run into the street, find some homeless lady and be like, there's one left. Are you, you mothering a child or not? The finals tomorrow for the record, you could do that at 80 men, men can reproduce forever. Now that's shitty to do. You got to do it by light. How old are you? I'm too old. How old are you? I just turned 44. Yeah. And my, like, I always kind of thought I'd try and

2:06:49have a kid by 40s that at least you try and stick around till 80 and that they're an adult. You're I'm 38. So it's not happening. Yeah. Creeps up on you and you're like, oh, shit, I'm actually getting into a stage of life where you got to try and make that happen. Well, it sucks for me because I was like, I finally, I finally met this girl that I was fucking for sure, gonna marry. And then she did to me what I did to all those other women. Yeah. I was like, damn. I was like karma like a more. And then you like him even more. Because you're like, they didn't want me. Exactly. Karma like a motherfucker. So I got my, my dose of carmic reality and, yeah, it is what it is. I feel like I'll be alright. I've never, I've never had a problem with it. I feel like I'll be alright. But I do because I've been, I've been so locked into this world. Like, you know, granted, I don't travel like you and Dave do, but I'm fucking locked in this world, dude. I spend or as a day just like, that's a lot doing social media, reading, tweeting,

2:07:49recording, editing, posting. So well, you're putting it out there that you're open for business. And then you got money, women like money, you might not like your face, but they like money. That's true. They like status. Well, in fairness, now, in fairness, before I had money, they still, you know, they're still like me. And I never, I've always had the same stupid face. So there you go. I think it's going to happen for you. Have you tried just not wrapping it up and letting it rip and letting God decide? I think that's really bad advice. That's astonishingly bad advice. Actually, I think that's probably the worst thing you could tell someone to do. I should say, well, yeah, do you want it? Sure. I've thought about it. Is it what biology thinks? Honestly, got three of the women I've dated. How do I got any of them pregnant? I would have been totally happy with it. Totally. And I just have remarkable pullout game. There you go. Remarkable astonishing. Well, maybe you got to work on that. Maybe you've been too careful. Honestly, got the reason I have money is because your pullout game?

2:08:51That, but no, really, it's more of the psychology. I'm very risk averse. So, but I'm also very calculating. And I have very low time preference. So like the good sensation that comes from not pulling out dumb. So you don't drink enough. That's what I'm hearing. Dude, even when I drink, yeah, I'm also, I'm not blasting loads of women. I learned my lesson on that. You end up liking them too much because you're like, I got to protect my loads. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, they don't talk about that. What you get more connected when you absolutely. If you blast the load and a lady, you're like, shit, I got to stick around. I just left the load in there. Oh, I think you have correlation causation backwards. I got to keep an eye on that. You have that flipped. The only reason that you feel that way is because it felt so good. You're like, I want more of that. No, no, because you cared about it. See, this is where you're not in a relationship because you have it totally fucking backwards. The reason that you're blasting loads inside her is because you can, you can see a future together with her. Oh, I got to call that lady. But you don't want to acknowledge her, which is darkness. It's darkness, my old friend.

2:09:52I think I really didn't expect this conversation. So I get the slogan out there. Let it rip, Clint. Let's get some t-shirts. Let it rip, let it rip, Clint. Leave it in. Oh, man. Throw her a lob, Rob. Yeah, exactly. Maybe just to, you know, check the quality of your swimmers even. No, honestly, I have thought about that too. I'm like, what if my polo game is garbage actually, but I've been sterile the entire time. Yeah, it could be. You know, it's nice though, if you find out your sterile, is it just takes the pressure off? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, because then you're like the universe decided for me. Yeah, I don't think I'm sterile. I know that like, I know that's like stupid guy shit to say, like pretty confident. I'm not. I know I'm not, because if I get my gizz on something that starts walking around, you know, it's on the move. It lets me know it's alive. In your apartment, there's just a bunch of towels walking around. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I got some powerful seamen over here. Yeah, well, I'll be honest. None of my towels are tissues

2:10:54that walked around. So maybe I am sterile. That's a good point, Robbie. Shit. Deeply disturbing conversation. Oh, the fuck did we end up there? You're in New York. There's like nine million from this. You have a lot of offtight. The problem with New York is you're probably relatively not that wealthy and yeah, no, compared to Miami, I'm like poor. Yeah, you mean in New York? No, no, I'm saying like it's the same dynamic in New York. Miami is extraordinary wealthy. So like if you've got a couple million dollars, you're poor in Miami. That's crazy. Yeah. But if you if you have a couple million dollars and you're like in Alabama, like now you're talking. Yeah, now you get this guy could buy the newspaper. Yeah, exactly. We got another Rockefeller here. He about to buy the Alabama times. Yeah, that is true though. Dude, wealth is very relative. New York and LA and Miami, if you aren't talking 10 mil, you're not really rich. And the funny thing is most women, they think like all of

2:11:56them think they're dating some dude worth 10 million. And he's worth like 800,000, you know, but they don't have any idea. They don't have any access to his bank accounts, obviously. So he's just like, he's a debt came. Like yeah, he's got a Ferrari, but he owes 240,000. I think this is the year of a client. Yeah, yeah, I think it's going to happen. Marriage just or am I just going to get a chicken pregnant? No, I thought you're going to meet a chicken like three months. And then you're going to be like, you know what, I slow walked all the other ones and you're going to put the gas on it. Sprint on this one. You're going to sprint on this one. And next year you're going to have a little Clint. I like it. I think I think the other reason I got I got thrown into high gear. Other than the fact that I'm getting older, this is my dad died last year. And there's something is your dad's still around? Yeah, my folks are still around. Okay. I'm very fortunate because I still have my stepdad. So you know, fingers crossed on that one. And I still have my mom. I still have my grandma and my other grandma. I've got like most of my family's so alive. So I'm not, you know, complaining. I've been very blessed, you know, in that way. But losing your dad's son, dude,

2:13:00it's fucking heavy. It's like as soon as you're the oldest male in your line, you feel it. Yeah, you're like, you better fucking have kids, dude. Like what are you doing? It's it really like I can't be the last of the Clint's. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I do have a younger brother, but he's like 23. So which is insane. Oh, my dad with the gap pro. That's like wild. But yeah, as soon as he died, this is the other thing. And maybe you don't live this way. Well, you can tell me if you do. Do you derive much of your self satisfaction or your self confidence based off of how your dad feels about what you're doing? No, not at all. Okay. I like my dad, but I don't know. No, I I've never really checked in with my parents for approval per se. Yeah. Oh, okay. I just like started doing standup. I didn't even tell them I was doing it. You know, right. So I don't know.

2:14:02I guess there's like it's on a scale. Like there's a level of something that I could be doing that's like so reprehensible. I'd be ashamed towards my parents. Sure. Or like there's a level of success that would be so wonderful. I would want to bring it to them to be like look at how well I'm doing. You've never had that? No, definitely not. Nothing close to that. All right. Well, for me, like when I got to debate the big wrong with Swami with Dave Smith moderating and I got a standing ovation. That was that to me was big enough to bring to my dad and be like how fucking cool is this? Yeah, that's I've never had that. All right. So the point in bringing this all up is to say that yeah, I didn't go to my dad for like, hey, I need approval for every decision I'm making my life. Like not we didn't have really shit like that at all, but every achievement I made like the first house I bought or the first this or that or whatever. I got my Corvette and you know, debated like those were all moments, you know, they were moment and I had the same thing same dynamics my mom and my stepdad too. So, but I found that like a huge amount of my like achievements.

2:15:08Like as soon as my dad died, I had the most successful shows I've ever had in my life. Everything I was putting out was doing 50 to 100,000 views. I had one that did 800,000 views. It was insane. And I just I just realized like, oh, I would have been calling my dad now. And I was like, can't do it. And then I just realized, oh, I need to now live for myself. And I thought that was an interesting revelation that like not that I wasn't living for myself, but there was there was something about the goal setting and achievements that I was reaching that I was doing not largely, but partially to be like, hey dad, look what I did, you know. And then you don't do that anymore. You don't have anymore. And you're like, now I just have to fucking do I still have that same fire? Do I still have that same motivation? And I guess the answer is yes, because I've had more success this past year since he died than I had ever when he was alive. But I just think it's an interesting dynamic. So I guess you won't have that problem when you're dead. No, I'm like, apparently I

2:16:08achieved this thing where you do something so great. You want to tell your parents about it, that must be nice. You're like, I've never achieved anything more telling my parents about it. I'm like, I'm going to live that goal. That's a nice goal. Oh, Jesus Christ. Being able to call your parents and be proud about something. That's really something. That is revealed that I didn't mean to go that direction with it. Oh, Jesus. That's funny. So, but anyways, the point I was trying to get to was that with him not there anymore, I'm like, now I got to live for myself. And I was like, all right, what else would be living for myself? And I was like, oh, actually, maybe I need to stop living for myself. Maybe I need to start living for somebody else, which is what fatherhood is to me. If you're a good parent, too heavy. No, I think I think you're putting out beauty into the universe and you're letting the universe know your intentions of your wholesome thoughts. And I think that's going to help you manifest it into your reality. Do you think like this? Am I weird? I don't think you're weird at all. I think that these are the same as you though. I think these

2:17:11are wholesome thoughts. And it's beautiful that you explore the conservative podcast space and that you have these thoughts. I want to share it with your audience. I think you don't share personal thoughts because you're not supposed to as a man. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So that's the reason you don't. Yeah, you keep your thoughts to yourself. Oh, emotions too. I finally, and that's why you research political topics is so that you can talk about something else and not share your personal stuff. Yeah. And then you reduce it into dick jokes that you tell in a comedy. Ladies and gentlemen, I have cracked the code. I now understand Robbie the fire. You are like a 1950s dude who's going to drop dead of a heart attack. You don't talk about your emotions at all. You're not supposed to. It's ridiculous. But I'm not talking about I'm not talking about it in some like, oh, so said gay way. I'm just being honest about dry like motivations and drives. And I'm recognizing that it's beautiful, but that I also don't want to participate. That's my favorite. Wow. Is Dave like

2:18:12that too? No, clearly not. You've heard him talk about like his wife and stuff on air. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So he's gay too. Cool. Yeah. I'm glad I'm glad we can be gay together. This is my favorite dude. This is one of my favorite. I never I really, I've talked to you a lot. And I did not know this about you that like that's the reason that there's a wall up whenever we're talking about shit because you're like, Hey dude, stop asking me personal questions. I'm not gonna unpack what I think about and how I feel about things. You fucking clear. Oh, I'm like crying. That's so funny to me. Holy shit. All right. Well anyways, maybe this is the difference between being a New Yorker and a California kid that like this is just more normal for California people. I don't know. I don't know or or you're just like a relic. You're like one of the old. No, but I support you in your new age. New age of hippie. Hippy. Gays. Yeah. I respect it. I think it's a good look for you. And getting in touch with your feminine side is what's going to help you find a lady

2:19:12and have a child. Totally disagree with this. The feminine side. I think this is I mean, this is like masculine that you want to want it to like thinking about how you're going to get married and have kids. Sure. You're like, you're like, no, no, no, masculine is just not going to pitch up. That's masculine. You don't think about it. You don't have any emotions towards it. Yeah. Let it rip. Let it rip. Oh, dude. That's great. That's great. All right. One more topic. Sure. I'm going to try. I'm going to try and drag us away from anything that might have any emotion in it because I know you don't feel comfortable with it. So it's going to back to cold calculating political analysis. If you if you had to guess the pendulum swing from Trump's failures and the magna America first divide, it feels to me like the right wing is too divided to sustain itself in 28 and probably, you know, this the midterms, I think are bloodbath. I think 28's probably a bloodbath. I guess start there and then extrapolate, you know, to the next four years,

2:20:14like what's your what's your prognosis? You mean specifically for the Republican party? Yeah. I mean, not that I don't care about the Democrats, but I just feel like they're all gay and, you know, they don't have emotions and we don't want to talk about that. That's I think there's a lot of variables. One of which is who runs on the Democratic side makes a big difference. I think that Gavin Newsom and AOC are both kind of losing candidates, but it really just depends on who they're up against. So if this administration ends on a down note, which I'm going to guess that it does, I don't think that the economy is going to be high flying. I don't think inflation is going to be an on issue. I think Donald Trump personal family corruption is going to be a big talking point, the failure of the Iran war is going to be a big talking point. I think it's going to be nearly impossible for Marco Rubio or JD Vance to put together a successful campaign that gets Republicans excited. I do think that how can you build a coalition after you just destroyed it?

2:21:14You know, I do however think if they're specifically and this is not if they're specifically running against AOC, either of those two people can still win because AOC is so stupid and also so socialist. People will go, hey, we can't have that. And so even if they don't like Marco Rubio or JD Vance, they will be passionately anti AOC enough that they will vote for her. I think Gavin Newsom might elicit a similar reaction from people, particularly if California corruption gets more exposed. And if they can tie more to COVID in his own personal nonsense, the Republican party does have a bit of a bench. And I think there's a possibility of moving away from the Trump thing completely. Who's the bench? The big name that stands out to me is John Hale. Josh Hawley. Really? Yeah. I don't personally like a lot of his views because he's pretty much

2:22:15on. Well, he's actually he's not as hardcore of a Neocon as some of these other people. He's a little bit more of a socialist Democrat populist and that he's from Arkansas. Like we'll talk about the importance of Medicaid and he really hedges on the war stuff because I think he'll kind of try and stand aligned with the party. But I don't think he's personally gung ho about. I don't think he's gung ho about the Iran War and I don't think he's gung ho for military expeditions. Like he's not like a Josh cotton or a Ted Cruz. Like I think he Tom cotton. Thank you. Yeah. Or a Ted Cruz. I do think there's a possibility of mass. He wants to do it that he could actually take the Republican primary. I just don't know if he's going to step into the lane. You think so you think three way but three of the sense. I think Rand Paul is going to make a run and I don't think JD Vance Rubio. Massey you think that these two pull enough to let Massey sneak through. I think Massey could take it from them. It'd be a catastrophe if Rand

2:23:20Paul stayed in the race. The problem is that if Rand Paul runs my guess is Massey will sit it out. That's what I'm saying. Actually don't think Rand Paul. Rand Paul's going to get best them. BTFO, bro. It'd be crushed. And then on the Republican, you know, there could be a sleeper like a specific. I don't think Jesus Christ, my brain is failing me right now. Who's the who's the I don't think Tucker Carlson's going to run, but Tucker Carlson might hand select. Yeah, Joe Ken. I think Joe Ken could could potentially put something together. My deal ticket is Massey can't. Yeah. I could I could 100% see that. The other player I see on the Democrat side picking up some seam is John Ossoff. Yeah. And I actually think a John Ossoff versus Josh Hawley would be a fascinating race because it would be like a returns like 1990s politics. Those are like straight down the middle like politicians. I'm not I'm not at all convinced that like I think I think if

2:24:22one side of the aisle runs that they get blown out because there's just no energy for that type of candidate. I think if John Ossoff wins the Democratic primary and I have limited exposure of him from a couple of canned pain speeches and watching him in hearings, I think I think he could be to Rubio or a JD Vance. I think he called off just I see that. I think he's actually better looking. I think which is a big variable actually. Yeah, no, just comes off as sharp, more reasonable and unaffiliated with Trump that the way that Biden ran, which was hey, I'm going to be returned to normal, which was a totally fake pitch. Yeah, I actually think Ossoff could fill that lane of hey, we need a return to normal in this country. Yeah, I don't see any I don't see them actually doing it though. So can you actually can you run the same campaign given that Biden just lied through his teeth about that? I guess you could. Well, the only reason it worked for Biden was because it was the COVID era and he didn't have to actually campaign. No, I realize that. Yeah, but I'm just saying that same pitch like will it? Yeah, because I think it's what people are

2:25:25looking for TBD, man. So if you had to guess like my my instinct tells me Democrats easily when midterms easily win 28. I don't think the Democrats easily win 28 and it's solely because I think if you end up with new sum or it will likely lose, the kicker is the kicker is the extent by which people are in a place of throw the bastards out. And so like if the economy is so terrible and it's so clear that like the elites are doing well, then maybe AOC has a lane on democratic socialism of hey, I actually care about you poor people and I'm going to go in there. No more Israel, no more of any of this stuff, almost like an America first high pitch, but I think she's so I think to the people that lover they lover and for everyone else, it comes off as dominant mature that I actually don't think she can win a general election. And new sum is an excellent polished liar. He's excellent. I know in terms of like being a politician, he's like a nine and a half out of 10, but his track record

2:26:31I think is bad enough that he's going to have a hard time winning a general election against his track record. I just I every time news and gets brought up, I have to just remind people I spent 37 years in California. He destroyed the greatest state, probably the greatest state in the history of the world. California is fucking spectacular. You know what a fucking piece of shit does ask you, you have to be destroyed, California. It has immense resources, natural capital, human capital. It's got a tax base. It's astronomical. It's got Silicon Valley and Hollywood and fucking perfect weather and every weather you can imagine. And he's still destroyed, California. This guy is a fucking walking disaster. He's the most dangerous politician in the country. And I fucking I hate AOC and AOC would be a better option than fucking Gavin Newsom. I'm just warning people. I just have to give that disclaimer. He's the most dangerous politician alive. Yes, I mean it. All right. So you still think that the Republicans do have a shot though. It listen, it's on it's relative to what extent there's a throw the bastards out feeling.

2:27:34You don't think that's going to be fucking national. I think it's going to be super high. Yes, but I also think a non Trump Republican can come along. And if the Democrats are running on a hard left, then it's yeah, then, then they're winnable. Okay, like so it just needs to be someone detached enough from the Trump administration that comes off as normal. Massie. I would listen, fingers crossed that it's messy. Yeah, dude, that's like honest to God at the federal level, that's our only hope. If messy, you can fucking find a way to weasel his way into the GOP nomination. I think he would have a real shot because there are a ton of Democrats that don't trust the Democratic Party. They hate the Republicans, but they trust Massie. They disagree with him on a lot, but they actually trust to do because he sacrificed, he spoke out on Gaza. That means a lot to those people. I'm not saying all, but many of them do have principles believe it or not. That means a lot to them and the Epstein

2:28:35shit. He went to the mat and there's millions of people in America that genuinely care about that. So I think I think that's what what makes Massie so interesting is because like it's funny because every time he gets brought up, people always go like, he's not Ron Paul though. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's way more charismatic than Ron Paul. He also has, I think the debt will be an issue in the next election. And he's the only one that's got a better track record to actually talk about. Who's done a better job at warning about that than him? Nobody. Inflation, who's done a better job than him? Nobody. And there's a winning strategy on addressing the debt, which is 10% across the board cuts. I think the bigger winning strategy is nobody likes the idea of austerity or that the future needs to be painful. And so the pitch needs to be, we're getting rid of all of the corruption. And I can basically balance the books once we make this system efficient. It's not going to affect your life at all. What's going on in DC is theft and

2:29:40robbery. And once I clean that up, we can get back to a sustainable path. Don't kill him if he does that. Well, I'm not saying he can't win the election by doing that, but like if he actually tries to do that, you're talking about trillions of dollars that like there's just such an immense drive to murder for that amount of money. So that would be my biggest concern. I got I got to ask you this before we get out here. This last last question. So was the last time you made love to a man? And what did you think about it? What were your thoughts in feeling the last time you made passionate love? Was last time you had a conversation with a lady and actually went deep and yeah, no, that is a good question. What's the last time you cried, Robbie? When is the last time you cried? When my grandma died? Well, how long ago was that? I don't know, two years ago. Oh, I thought you were going to be like 20 years ago. I'm a fucking soldier, Clint. Oh, no, that's not sure. I was on mushrooms and I helped this old guy and that got to me. That's the last time I cried. That's been its gangfest last year. You helping with a prostate exam? What you do? No, he he couldn't walk. It was really sad. He just got diagnosed with a

2:30:43pulmonary something and he got his wife all dolled up. It was funny. His wife was like 70 and she had like her tits up to the wazoo. It looked like they were trying to have a last dinner. I imagine that they'd eaten at this restaurant once when they were young and in love and he could not make it the one block to get there. I had to get them in the cab back home. It was like on bourbon street too. So it's like you're trying to like help some old guy and then like I just seen exactly that stage of life with my grandfather when like you realize, oh, you can't just be out and about. Yeah. And that that that that triggered it. All right. And also as a mushroom. So he is human, but he has to be on mushrooms to feel any any human emotion. Well, lead in question to the follow up final question. Are you going to skanks fest into Orleans? Yeah, I'm excited for it. Are you are? Yeah, I'll be it down there. Are you still work for them at all? No, but I still get booked. Oh, you're performing. Yeah. Oh, Kelly. Yeah. Can you get me in? I don't probably have that kind of access anymore. Yeah. All right. I'm going to have to Dave.

2:31:45Dave, I'm hitting up. All right. Final question. I don't know that we've ever talked about. This how we were talking about the Charlie Kirk case. I've called you twice. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So I kind of gave you my two cents, where it's like, I don't know. But there's lots of holes in it that rub me the wrong way that make me feel like we may be looking at something bigger than just some lone nutter. And even even if Tyler Robinson was the one that did it, I still very much want to understand his communications that that led to this because, as you know, as you're studying the FBI shit that they do, they not just set up, but they also use people to commit acts of violence, bombings, all sorts of shit. They've done this forever. I think that's more of a CIA MK Ultra game once it actually comes into reality. I think the FBI just more pushes people up to the line for fancy stories. Well, they entrap them oftentimes, but like, I don't think the FBI actually had people engage in violence. Yeah. They don't set up for what works the way the CIA does. And but allegedly, the CIA doesn't work domestically, but I would argue

2:32:51that the CIA took out JFK. And on paper MK Ultra never worked and they never figured out how to do it. Sure. So anyways, I don't buy that argument. And I just, I'll say it, my gut. And we haven't talked, you know, we went through the two hour recording and we didn't talk about Israel once. Look, there's other things to talk about. I'm just, I'm just saying I'm proud of us. But now we're going to, I think that after studying this enough, I am confident enough to say that I believe strongly that there was people in the government of Israel that would have wanted Charlie Kirk killed. That does not mean that they did it. But I think it's always a safe bet when you're not sure what happened to blame the Jews. Please take this seriously, Robbie. I'm just saying it's a viable motive. That doesn't mean that they did it. It's a viable motive. And I have to always make that clarification because otherwise people say what you just said. But I'm the fed plan. I'm here to steer back to that. Yeah. It's just the facts are this. He was essentially a creation of

2:33:55specifically Zionist money, like pro pro Israel money to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. And then he shifted and he started to tell the truth about it. And he has, he said that, you know, was October 7th was there a standout order? And he started to question that publicly. And then they started to run hit pieces about him, saying calling him an anti-Semite, which made him absolutely furious. And then he started to get donors that were pulling because he wouldn't disavow Tucker and Candace or Dave for that matter. And then he continues to have them on. And he continues to tell them to go, you know, go ham goes as hard as you want. Two months prior to his death. And it's just like he's doing all of these things. And then two days a week less than a week prior to his death. He was Jewish, but Zionist owner pulls two million dollars from the organization. And then he's tweeting or he's texting his security details saying that he fears for his life. There are texts allegedly from Andrew Wilson saying they fear from his life from the left. Okay. Maybe I don't know. But anyways, guy fears from his life. The big shift that he

2:34:56has made over the past two years is to go from huge water carrying zealot for Israel to mild critic. And he is lamenting this arc and the treatment he's receiving to people like Megan Kellyanne others. And this is all like known as all factual. And then you get to like, okay, what are the motives for his assassination? They're like, well, he wasn't super duper supportive of trans relationships. They're like, that's the motive. And like, I'm not saying that that could be why. It could be why he was killed. But I'm just saying in terms of like motives for high profile political assassinations, it's usually a bigger deal than just that. Well, off the bat, I want to say this. I want to see twigs actually, you know, testify in person. No, I want to see him actually transition. Oh, he's easy to think he's trans. He's full dude now. Yeah, I want to see more. He's more dude than you and I. I want to see an actual transition from twigs. If you want to sell me this storyline, I want to see that guy in two years with the vagina on the news. It ain't happening. Yeah. Um,

2:35:58he's like, he's like alpha male. Yeah. I think it's certainly a reasonable theory to put forward that perhaps Charlie Kirk was a manufactured person. And when you join the mob, they go, no, we own you mother fucker. That's what I'm saying. You're not walking away and criticizing us. Like, I know you think you built all this and you're the big dog, but I'm the fucking investor. Right. Listen, I'm not saying that that did happen, but I certainly think it's a reasonable thing to put forward. It's a reasonable concern. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. And it drives me nuts that people go like, Oh, you're fucking crazy. And I was like, uh, no, this is like the honestly, that's the logical answer. That's not to say that that's what happened, but it is the logical answer. There was also a crazy story of hundreds of millions of dollars. And Israel is hemorrhaging support. And the last linchpin, the last defender that they have is TPUSA and Charlie Kirk and Charlie is like, I'm not going to be your linchpin anymore. And they're like, well, then we're going to slot somebody else in there. I thought it was, uh, there was a story.

2:37:00And I thought, I'm maybe I don't have this right, but I believe it was said that Nitsanyato offered Charlie like a hundred twenty million dollars for turning point USA and turned it down. That was reported on by Max Blumenthal. And I trust Max, but I've never seen any verification thing that I thought was really crazy was after that supposed offer got turned down. It was like three weeks later, literally the exact same amount of money went to Barry Weiss on the, whatever the NBC, CBS, CBS, like a changing of the guard. Yeah, that was like her. I think they bought out our company, right? Yeah. I was like, uh, the free press. I guess they found a different spot for that 120 million. Yeah, now I was 150 is, uh, that was the reporting. I still, like I said, I haven't seen any verification of it and TPUSA has denied it for what it's worth. But I don't trust TPUSA. They've been caught in too many lies. Um, I don't understand the reason for the lying in the aftermath. Like it was, you know, some people write it off like, oh, they're just trying to defend his legacy. And I'm like, well, then just be honest. Yeah,

2:38:04I don't understand if I would think if a member of my family would be murdered, I would be interested in finding out who murdered them and not necessarily just jumping on this person murdered him and wanting to sell the story. Yeah. So strange. But I, I, the problem with the, uh, Erica Kirk thing is that if you lose your husband, you can never, that can just result in a radical behavior. I'm not saying I've observed someone who lost their husband in that, but like, I can just understand how losing someone and then also having a personal thing of, oh, I'm going to run this company for whatever reason. Maybe, maybe it's wholesome of, hey, this was my family's company and we're keeping this thing. Yeah. Um, I can understand how that might put you in a situation where you're not coming off well because you're not actually have the skills for being a public figure type thing and you are rattled. Um, and I can also understand where if the FBI sits you down and goes, this is the guy and you want to move on from it,

2:39:09you're excited about this is the guy. Um, but with all that said, with all that leeway said, all the behavior does seem to pull at my bullshit cord. I'm like, this doesn't seem right. Yeah. That's just it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just a little too nasty to float those allegations without very good evidence because I agree. Turned out to be wrong. It's a, it's, it's just kind of nasty. Yeah. Well, then you're shit talking a widow. It's the worst thing imaginable, which is why I've avoided, you know, largely criticizing Erica because I just, I don't have any evidence to say that she was involved. I do have evidence that she has been deceptive about certain things and maybe there's benign explanations for that or maybe there's really malicious explanations. I don't know, but bothers me tremendously that the communications that demonstrate that Charlie's change of heart, his change of mind when it comes to his relationship with Israel was documented. They knew about it. It was in group chats with many of these people and they overtly lied about it until can't

2:40:12us produce the receipts. That still bothers me to this day, like tremendously. Can you imagine though being Erica Kirk and you spend your whole life as a hot chick and you've got your hot chick tools, which includes, I'm upset about this and everyone caters to you being upset about something. Right. And now you have the most rightful claim for being upset and the internet is so mean, it just doesn't work. And you're kind of a crazy chick. Yeah. And you're like, but you've never developed a personality because you've been attractive forever. And this is my tool is I'm upset. How come the world's not catering to me? Right. Like I said, there's some aspect of it that pulls at my bullshit cord, but I think it's kind of inappropriate to say. But like the flip side of it is that it could just be if you're kind of crazy. Of course. And you used to be in cater to because you're attractive and you're actually justifiably allowed to be emotionally upset on this one. And everyone's mean to you. No, it's awful. You just don't know how to fucking function. Yeah. No, look, then this is why I've left Erica out of almost all my coverage is

2:41:14because her reaction to much of this and the weirdness of her behavior is explicable when you put it in the hot girl mode, especially when she's like just hitting the wall. Yeah. She's like, like all of it's falling apart and she lost her husband. It's like, it's all so dramatic. And she's probably not qualified to be running. Of course. Like, of course not. But that's why I'm saying it's not just her though. And that's I think oftentimes the conversation gets derailed by concerning ourselves with her so much. Like it was Josh Hammer and Colvitt and all these other dudes that have no excuse to hot girl mode on this that are doing the same fucking thing. And it's like, what? Like, why are you all lying? Like, I guess I can understand Hammer because he's just like an obvious conduit to Israel. But these other guys, it's not it's less obvious. So the fact that they're just I'll double I'll double advocate this the other way. Yeah, please. Which is those guys are all obsessed with the where the elites. And if we're putting forward a narrative, it's not supposed to be questioned. And they still have a feminine quality of how dare you guys

2:42:18question us. That's gay as hell, dude. No, I agree. That's kind of the way they operate on every topic. I know that this doesn't work anymore. Yeah. So I agree with you that all of it pulls it my my bullshit strings where I'm like, this all seems like bullshit. But on those particular individuals, they're just entitled to lead assholes. It's so in their lane to just be like, how dare you guys? How dare you insinuate Israel? How do you know what I mean? And to be completely dishonest because they see like the the winning legal card of, oh, widow upset. And you guys are going to create hardships for this upset widow. Right. And how dare you talk about if we're lying about something? You know, it's just very, hey, worthy elites. And we told you that this is the way it is. So how dare you guys say anything else? Look, I can understand. I can write off, you know, Trump's behavior around Epstein to you know, it's going to hate me. Once again, I'm fully open to every conspiracy theory on this. No, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I lean towards them. Like, yeah. No, and just to be clear, I, I do the same thing you're doing. I steal men,

2:43:23my opposition all the time to try and make sure I'm not being unfair. And I've thought of most of those same thoughts. But I will say, I don't see, I do not see any justification for some sort of elitist attitude by fucking Josh Hammer and Andrew Colbert. Like these guys are middling figures. I know. I would like other than the fact that like, pre-Charlie Kirk dying. I'm pretty sure more people knew me. You know, like, Hammer, I know, for not a high bar, the Smith debates, Colbert. He's like the higher up there at turning point. Colbert's the PR rep at turning point. Yeah. Okay. Like he wasn't even, I don't think he was even like a studio guy. You know, he was like a back end guy. I'm just saying, I don't, I don't understand. I mean, yeah, he did, he did PR junkets, like hits periodically, but I don't know. I just don't understand the fucking, the ego that comes with some of these people. And Josh Hammer is like, fucking nobody, like nobody cares. And, and by the way, Josh Hammer was regularly on like Megan

2:44:25Kelly because he was the pro Israel guy that was like safe and was obviously being force fed to conning. And still no one watched his show. And he was being force fed on Glenn Beck and Megan Kelly. Like a high up editor in Newsweek, I think. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying like these are all, it's, it's all like real jobs with no audience. Right. Like no one cares about Josh Hammer. It's like Mark Levin. If Mark Levin didn't have, if his show wasn't syndicated, if he wasn't on Fox News, no one would seek him out. Yeah. It's so wild to be a Josh Hammer because, I mean, I don't know. Because you have to look like a gay vampire old. Yeah. I don't know where it's rough. I don't know where he went to school. But 15 years ago, what hell? Hell 15 years ago, if you were the chief editor at Newsweek, it'd be a big thing. That's a big fucking thing. Right. And then the whole universe figured out, oh, we don't care about any of your credentials. Because it's just a tool for lying to us. Right. So go fuck yourself and to have come up in that

2:45:26system and feel like, oh, I just got the badge of honor. And now I'm good to go forward in the universe with status and credentials. And everyone's going to accept what I have to say. And watch the universe change of everyone realizing, fuck you and your credentials. That's just a tool for censorship and lying to me. What a mind fuck that is. Particularly, you know what it is? It's almost like if all of the CEOs and sales guys at a company died, let's say at like a, you know, a Microsoft or something like you're working for Howard Levinick on 910. Yeah. Sure. And now the HR department has to run the company. That's actually true. His entire fucking staff died circle. What? His entire staff died on 911. He cleaned house. He pulled, uh, who was the lady who killed her kids? Oh, uh, Clancy. He pulled the Clancy. But like on a huge scale. I don't even know this story. You got to tell me this story. Well, I look, he just didn't go into the hedge fund that day and everyone was in the building. And he, uh, oh, he had the inside knowledge from Epstein. That's the, uh, that's what people think. I, you're jumping with the

2:46:29Epstein part. But yeah, I mean, the hypothesis was the owner of the building who was there every day. He didn't go because he had some shit like with his kid or something. And same exact thing happened with Levinick. He never took his kid to school, but he did on that morning. And then his entire staff died. I don't know, man. I'm just saying. Did he have insurance policies on his staff? Uh, he did get paid out. Yep. Heavy. Just saying. And then, and then he also had a very tight relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, which he lied about. And he still hasn't resigned from his position. He is just, yeah, okay. Just, just, yeah. Really remarkable. Really remarkable. How like, either you were Epstein and Gisling and you get held to account and then like, everybody else in their orbit. Fine. But some of them die. Well, yeah, sorry. The one, the one who go to prison and then die, but no, the modeling contractors. You have like two, uh, you have the one who died in jail and then one recently just wound up dead. Yeah. Sorry. I meant the American participants. It

2:47:29seems as if they're all protected somehow. And then sometimes they get hit by clean impulses. Hmm. That's what happens to, uh, the one who, oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That was set allegedly. Allegedly. All of this is allegedly. I don't think Phil Clinton was personally driving a bus. I think, I think Dave has already addressed this, but do you have any? I mean, it's been the biggest story in the country, especially in the podcast circuit. And until Dave had Candace on, I don't think you guys have referenced the Charlie Kirk case hardly at all. Is it, is it a concerted effort to not? No, it's, it's, it's, it's, firstly, it's come up a handful of times. It's definitely not an effort. Um, there's just stories that, I, I mean, I can't speak for Dave. There's just stories that grab your interest more than others. And some are more in your skill set or not in your skill set. It's a little bit like the George Carlin thing. I don't want to read through the original case. And so I have nothing new to say or add about it.

2:48:30Whereas like the COVID one, like, I, I, I'm not saying it's not an important topic or MK Ultra, whether or not the government or Israel, like, it's all very interesting. Yeah, it's just not in your skill set. The debunking of it is not my particular skill set. And so many other people are so all over it. Yeah. I'm more just in, I like, I'm like free speech. Guys, go question the hell out of this. I've dipped my toes a couple times into it to give my audience the recap of whatever one's saying about it. But it's not a topic I think I can add any original insight to it. And it would feel like homework for me because it's not, it's just not like a natural passion topic. Dude, I wasn't aware of Charlie Kirk until Dave did the thing. Oh, really? And I was not aware that he was as much of a cultural icon as he was until after he passed. Yeah, I did. I did. So I did not have like a big emotional connection to that movement. Almost a blind spot because I'm. It's not your lane. I know it's not my lane, but I'm shocked how big of a figure he was of the Donald Trump winning

2:49:34coalition in the entire election cycle. I had no awareness of him. Yeah, close to zero. Well, it's because he was talking to 20 year olds. Yeah, I'm just saying like usually I kind of know the dynamics of a winning coalition. And it's not like, you know, in the first election, the flip of the college educated female voters and who they're voting with. Like they're, I didn't see a single article about the young right wing Charlie Kirk coalition. So I just wasn't, you know, I don't know. It just wasn't on my radar. Yeah, I think I think you were privy to some of the coalition in that like the maha, the libertarians, the anti war. And just kids like being on board with Trump. Yeah, but I didn't, I just didn't know. Yeah, but you, but you weren't aware of like the the right wing. How they how they sucked in the that sounds gay. They sucked in the college guys. But that's also what he was doing. But anyways, yeah, he did play a huge role. I think I think there's a distinct possibility that like without

2:50:36Charlie Kirk or slash TPSA and to get out the vote stuff that they did that Trump may not have won. And I think that's what makes it even more appalling that there seems to be such a distinct lack of concern from the Trump administration when it comes to figuring out for sure who did this. And I think that the cover up from, you know, Cashvatel, Joe Ken is just like just knowing that one and Dave's mentioned this before, but just knowing that one tidbit. If you're not open to digging after that, I'm not saying you personally, but if you're not open to people digging after that. I think in every step of the way, we said they're saying this is the shooter, but here's what are the holes in the story and it seems scurry. But I don't think we've ever had more than that to add to it. So it's okay. You know, there's no reason to do more than that. I'll subscribe to Liberty lockdown. I will keep you updated. There you go. No, I've been all over this case and I do think it's, I mean, there's obviously very important and interesting stories that are happening over the past year. But to me, this is up there because I feel like I'm not convinced, but I feel like there's a

2:51:41chance that this is the JFK story of our era. And I very much would like it not to be resolved in the way that JFK story was resolved where we all just kind of, when our separate ways with our own little conspiracy theories, and we never actually got to the bottom of it truly. And you know, 60 years later, we still don't have an answer. I just think that's fucking horrific. And now we live in this era with, you know, HD cameras and recording devices everywhere. And if we, if they can still pull off high profile assassinations and not not have justice be sought and found, they can get away with anything. It's kind of like the COVID justice era and they got away with that. And now I'm like, man, if they can get away with high profile political assassinations and the creation of bio weapons, we're fucked. I think when it comes to high profile political assassinations, they have a volume problem, which means that they, the government certainly can decide that there are key figures that they can't have around and decide to get rid of. Yeah. They can't do it at volume because it becomes too obvious. Yeah. So like, for example, Tucker Carlson might be a real

2:52:43issue right now. If Tucker Carlson wound up dead, everyone's aware, okay, these are high, these are high profile political assassinations. Now it goes from like questioning to choosing. Yes. And so it, and it's, it's amazing. What single individuals can actually do when they get to like a certain leadership stage and that removing certain individuals can actually completely derail and extinguish a movement. Yeah. Like that is wild to think about and that just how effective high profile political assassinations actually are as a tool. Super effective. Especially, especially if you can actually cover your trail, like, which is, I think what the government did with the entire civil rights movement, taking out MLK, like as a theoretical, if messy, we're leading the polls. And you were to kill Thomas, this is a theoretical Thomas mass. He wins the Republican primary and he's winning the polls from the next election. If you take out that one single or individual, there's probably no other other, there's no other person in the country that

2:53:47could duplicate that success with the agenda that he would have and implement. If, if you cover up your tracks, if you, if you paint it as a deranged leftist, if, if it is shown that it's actually the government, then I think within four years, you have, you know, some other fucking cycle version of Thomas Massey that fills his void. But yes, that's, that's the whole reason that it's very important that we understand the general, the genuine perpetrator for Charlie Kirk. I agree that it's important. However, if we can, I don't know if we can. Yes. However, I don't think, I don't think we're at high risk of further incidents because I just don't think they can get away with it. Well, I hope you're right. But there's a, like, there's a perfect formula out there of how many people they could act before the general population is like, they're just killing people. Sure, but they killed millions with COVID. So I know that with, that gets to scale. It's a different thing. This is very targeted, very specific. I would just argue that the way, the way it worked

2:54:49historically, if you believe as I do that JFK, MLK, Malcolm X and probably Hampton were all FBI or CIA assassinations, there's, there's, there's a period of rash of political assassinations. And all of those were written off as well and gunmen, you know, wackos or gang warfare or whatever the fuck. I'm just saying if they can, if they can mask it, they can get away with more than one. You got to create more of an environment of political violence where it's conceivable that members of the general public are doing it. Exactly. And we're not currently in that climate, but if they could manufacture that climate, then they could get away with more political assassinations. And for the record, yeah, we're not in that climate. And they've already have a guy who looks like, I mean, doesn't really look like a radical lefty that committed the most high profile lefty political assassination. Yeah, this is interesting because it's almost self-reinforcing if they get this conviction on the basis that he was a political lefty because then they create more of a track record for, look, extreme, extreme political views are assassinating people. And,

2:55:54and they already have that narrative set because there have been instances of trans people shooting of schools. Yeah, that's true. So it's a problem. I want to see a congegal visit between the two of them. And I'm not in the interest, I don't have an interest in gay porn. No, you want to jerk off to it. I want verification. No shame. I get it. These people are actually gay lovers. Yep, you want to watch it. I want to see this kid trends to a lady. And for him to see him put on a dress and bang. Yes. Yeah. I want some proof of this narrative that they were gay lovers. Literally the whole reason I'm interested in this story is because I want to see that. As you get in touch with your feminine side, this can happen to people for people that can't tell, we are intermingling serious commentary with humor. So fucking relax. This is Liberty Lockdown. Please do hit the like button. Subscribe, leave a comment down below. If we got anything wrong, we didn't. You also want to see them bang. And that's okay. No judgment here. Make sure you check out. Run your mouth as well as part of the problem. Anything else you'd like to leave. Yeah, come out to Port Store. I just confirmed like another 15 dates. You can find all the dates at a port store.com. There's a lot of porches left. So

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