Why Leave Green Bay? The Bisaccia Question & NFL Combine Truths

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1:08At what age could he bench 95 pounds? I'm, wow. We should make that as a discount, like a Twitter poll question. What age somebody can remember doing 95? There's no way I could do it until I was probably in high school. I was very tall, very skinny. And for people who don't understand lifting weights, the very important part of this is the length of your arms. If you have very long arms, bench press is just impossible. These people that can bench press use amounts. Their arms are like two inches long. And so they just have to go, boom, boom, boom, boom. Mine go, and then you learn to cheat a little bit where you don't make full extension down or full extension up. But I will defer to Brian Bellaga on the very different aspects of the bench press. Yes, Brian. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're listening.

2:09Like squat, too, if you have long legs. Yes, correct. I mean, and you see it at the combine, too. You normally see what body types you best. And the body types are the guards with the big barrel chests and not as long arms. And the bar doesn't travel as far. They're able to move weight a lot of times and heavier weight. Like I prefer, for example, like one of the strongest bench press guys, obviously, Mike Daniels, one of them. But another one of the guys that was one of the strongest human beings and the weight room that I, and I, and he played this way, too. But just in the weight room in general was Corey Linsley. Like Corey Linsley could bench press a disgusting amount of weight. Like, I mean, it was, like, I would enjoy watching him when we were working out when he would start to load plates onto the bench press just to see what number he was. What number he would hit. But like, his body type just allowed it and his technique was flawless. So he was just able to stack weight on and go to town on it.

3:12Like, and obviously, it wasn't one of my strong suits. I mean, I mean, I could lift, I could bench press a decent amount of weight. But it wasn't like my, it wasn't my favorite lift by any stretch. I had more like dumbbell bent pressing. Single arm, you know, more isolated things. The bench press itself is a very, is a, is a very, you know, technique based. And obviously body type based exercise. Now they do it to test at the combine. And everyone does it. I get that. But there's some guys that are great at it. There's some guys that just aren't that good at it. I think my, I think my combine number was 26 or 27. And then my pro day was 28. Like I couldn't, I couldn't get 30. So I mean, it's just, but then it's, and this is where scouts are important. Right. You have to look at playstring.

4:12How, how does the guy play? Yes. And that's why it's important that we don't get overly fascinated by the cup. And now, is it impressive? Yes. When guys throw it up like 50 times. Yes, it's very impressive. They'll get me wrong. So I know how hard it is. But you can't get fascinated with that because you have to see a guy's playstring. And how does he play? Does he play strong? Does he play to that? If a guy, if you see an offensive lineman only get like 19 to 22 reps, like, okay. Let's look at his place. Like, how does he play? Does he play strong? Is he able to hold up at the point of attack? When he takes on bull rushes, he's able to get his hands in and maneuver guys and things like that. So it's where, you know, from the NFL realm, scouting becomes very important because you can tell a guy's playstring based on film and who he's going against. And if you just looked at the numbers and you just liked an underwear warrior. A lot of teams would swing and miss. We'll just put it that way.

5:13But Corey Linsley was not one of those guys. Corey Linsley was an animal in the way room and he played just as strong on the field. So he's one of the anomalies in my opinion. Well, I'm glad that that's actually reason to brought it up because I think it's all bunch of garbage. I think that and I've done no study of this. But I just want to look at how strong somebody plays on a football field. There are various movements that I'm sure you're aware of and all the scouts were that tell you how strong a person is on a football field in his playing his position just like the 40 time. I don't remember anything, you know, Jerry Rice is 40 time. All I know is people said he never got caught from behind. So my point is I would suspect there is a concern if, you know, what are the, what's the amount you bench? 250 is it? What's the?

6:13225. 225. If you can do only three at 225, then I think the scouts might take a peek and would wonder. But again, if you played strong, I don't know, you can tell me the, the, the, the, the, the Brian Bulaga playing strong on the field and bench press is a waste of time. Like the first time you watch Reggie White play, you would go, don't even waste time. I don't need it. I don't care. No, don't waste our time bench press. I mean, there, and I will defer to you on maybe offensive lineman that the way they played. You were probably surprised if it didn't, you know, like you just mentioned somebody that they played so strong. You would think that they would play strong with bench press, but I doubt it. I'm guessing there's another weight thing that gives you a better idea of how strong someone plays on the field. I mean, you mentioned the feet, feet being quick. I don't know if it's squat or whatever.

7:13You're, there's a, there are drills and things. I'm sure that give the best idea of how strong a person plays a certain position. Take it from there. Strength position, Brian Bulaga. Yeah, I mean, for me, I think you get to see it. When guys actually get into awkward positions, especially from offensive lineman standpoint, an awkward positions pass blocking and how they're able to hold up like block delinement. Right? I mean, the most awkward thing is the pass block. You are standing essentially still and getting run into. I mean, that's, I mean, yeah, you're, you're kick sliding back and you're getting a new area. But you're absorbing a blow when a guy's running at you from three or four yards full speed. And it's, how is your body able to react to that and absorb that and then give force back and sustain a block?

8:14Like you're able to see really quick a guy's play strength from watching him do whether it's one on one reps or just team reps in general. I don't really like the one on one pass blocking goes. I think they're stupid. Yeah. I made it. It's a, it's a bad, it's a bad drill in my opinion. It doesn't like, I don't know. Oh, that's for that's a whole nother topic. But no, the topics are already decided. Brian Bulaga says it's a stupid drill. And I will tell any coach. I don't care if it's a, I'll tell saving. I tell Vince Lombardi. That's a stupid drill. How do you know? As Brian Bulaga. I'll trust them. Yeah, it's, it's, it's really simple. I mean, why is it stupid? Now, you got a one, you got a one V one, you and a D lineman. There's, there's no bodies around him. So there's no other rushers. He has a free go to go outside inside. There's no guard presence. There's no, there's no quarterback stepping up in the pocket. There's no quarterback movement.

9:19There's, there's no thread of a run. There's nothing game like about it, unless you're in a two-minute drill. And that's essentially what you're, if that's what you're trying to mimic, then just go do two minute on the field. But then there's bodies around. There's the detackle. There's the guard. There's other, there's lanes that that alignment. There's responsibility. Right. And that's what that one on one drill shows is. There's no responsibility for the D lineman. It's just go wherever you want and try to win. And it's kind of like, well, from their standpoint, they get to work on all their moves and things like that. And it makes sense to them. But from an offensive lineman standpoint, we're just essentially out there. You look at it as you stop the initial first rush and then maybe a little bit of the second one. And you call that a win. And don't get bold back into the, into the fake quarterback. That's standing back there at six yards. Just not moving. I mean, that's obviously the goal.

10:20But to me, it was just never a realistic drill. Like, obviously, as a rookie, as a second year player, as a third year player, hell, even a little bit in my fourth year, I took all the ones you could even dream of. I mean, I was out there doing every single one because that's what the young players do. Maybe they just take all those drills and you have to prove yourself. Like, understand that. And there is, there is a little bit of a firm your stripes to it. And I, and I get it. Right now we get to the big question. Was there anybody defensively who was good at one-on-one? But in the reality of an offense versus defensively, just wasn't that good. I don't have to mention any names, but. I mean, there were guys that did really well in one-on-ones. And then it just never translated over just because. Or what you said. Yeah, the realistic nature of it. Like, say they loved jump inside or set up moves that brought them inside. Well, if they went inside, there's a chance that there's a defensive tackle sitting in the V gap.

11:21And he can't go inside. The tackle can recover quick enough. Say the line is sliding to that side. The guard's eyes are looking right at him. If he goes inside, the guard's going to ear hole him. So like you just, there's a certain things that don't, they don't add up. Now, again, I said because a two-minute drill and it is just pass blocking and they know you're passing. You know what the deal is. Like, oh, that's all good. But you can stress those situations in actual team drills. You do two-minute, two-minute sessions in team drills. And then you get that work. I was just a never-fan of it. Now, you know, I get clips to me sent from buddies who have kids in high school. Of all these scouting camps, the rivals.com, the scout.com. They got kids doing one-on-one with no helmets on and no pads. And like they're beating their chest over when they beat an offensive lineman. Like bull rushing them with no helmet or no pads on. It's like, who's running these things and who's instructing these things.

12:24And this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. It just makes no sense to me. So like, that's why I... Because the information isn't valuable, right? And now we get to the Brian Vellaga because you know, I might be a consultant to these camps in the future. What would you suggest that they do that would... Those camps are to help players get better or what? I don't know. I don't know if it's for them to get noticed. I never... I never did that. So what would be a fair? What would you do? Definitely not that drill. I mean, there... I know. I've got another drill. What other drill? I mean, that drill is gone. The Brian Vellaga camp. They have... They don't have helmets on or pads. I mean, what are you doing running and do each other? Like, at all I'm saying, these are big kids. These are... I mean, the high school kids are bigger and bigger. And you got them running full speed into each other. And it's just like, what were you guys doing? Like, it just doesn't make any sense to me. There's no need in a scouting combine

13:28to have a one-on-one drill. Like, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Like, there is no... Do you know what I would do? Tell me how you'd like this idea. The Homer camp. I'd like to try to find some kind of a robot or where I make the offensive line and push into something. I mean, you... They use those... Those body... I mean, whatever. Those are the things that they've had in football practice for years. But... The sleds. The sleds. Try to put... See what... Somehow put his body in the position that you've taught me is a good position or bad position and see how they can respond to that with a sled or an individual sled, or it would seem to me there will be a lot of different things you could create to put that position to be able to best judge or train an offensive lineman. What do you think of my idea? I mean, it makes sense. But we did that with... with offensive lineman versus offensive lineman. Campy would put us... would start the drill out with an old lineman as the deal lineman.

14:30Yeah. He would already have us engaged... have the offensive lineman that was playing the position, have our hands in a bad position, so outside the body. And they would then push and rush and we would have to then reset our hands, reset our feet and hit our hands back inside to work on getting our bodies back in position fast that's how quick it happens. And if you don't get your hands set back in an offensive lineman always 300 pounds is going to just push you right back into the... And they should do that at the camp. They could easily do that. Yes. 100%. Can you do that without Helmet and Pads? Yeah, you can. Okay. You can do that. Because I mean, let's just be... Like, you tell the D-Line or the offensive lineman or whoever it is like, like, keep your head out of it. It's your arms. You're using your arms to push. Keep your heads out of it. There's no need to put your head in it. And there's an offensive lineman. You dip your head in there. I'm just going to step back, pull you

15:30and use all your momentum to just pull you forward. Then I'll just swim me and go to the top and then it's done anyway. All right. Now, my one last question before break. I think Pads are like half as big as what Pads used to be. I think they've almost... I feel like they've eliminated Pads, especially maybe on wide receives. What's... Like, shoulder pads when I look at old stuff. What I call Don Hudson. But what are shoulder pads and how have they evolved? Maybe the material's better and they don't have to be as big. Yeah. I mean, they're certainly smaller in like width, right? So there's a lot more streamlined. And based on obviously the receiver cuts and the quarterback cuts in there. I mean, they don't... It's like they have spiders on, right? They have a hard shell, but it's essentially just a hard shell around some foam. I mean, it's not really... And they got all the movement in their arms and things like that. The linemen are a little more restricted, right? We get a little more protection in the shoulders

16:30and the delts and things like that. Helmets go in there and things like that. But they're still... If you're able to... Like, if you're focused on where you're putting your hands and the D linemen try to wear really, really sleek cut ones too, so we have nothing to grab. But if you know where to set your hands and where to get in on there, so like I always would try to get right underneath their shoulder pad, the actual shoulder pad, and then you'd be able to slide your hand down into... into their jersey, kind of, into their breastplate and get a hold of their chest that way. So you'd start by getting your hand up underneath that shoulder pad and slide it down in really quick. Did those pads change at all from the time that you started and the league to have finished? Yeah, because... Yeah, you got more options. They gave guys more options of what type of pad they could get. Like, dude, I want to continue with the full coverage of everything,

17:30or do you want a little more sleeker cut? Like... Everybody gets sleeker, don't they? Yeah, sir. Yeah, yeah. For the most part, everyone would change out to the ones that are a little more... Well, cut a little different. But there's no issue of safety based on them. No. I mean, not where... Not where... Like... Listen, if you're gonna... If you're gonna dislocate a shoulder or an AC joint, it's because of force to the ground. It's not really because you're getting hit there. Like, you see guys mostly separate shoulders when they're going up the passes and they come down weird on their shoulder and things like that. It's not really from... And it would be just as likely to occur if the pads were... Yeah. Like, they were 30 years ago. 100%. 100%. All right. We're gonna move to the second quarter with Brian Belaga because we didn't even get to the issue and the question that I'll have, which is... Given how much more passing occurs in college football has that made the college lineman better at pass blocking

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19:34The bench press that they do it to combine and... This two is a total waste of time. Is that too strong? It's getting close to being a total waste of time. It's getting close to that. Again, we mentioned it earlier. It's a good metric to see if someone does put up less than 12. Right? And it's good to see OK. And that just means you're stupid because you know you're going to do it and if you can't train ahead of time to get more than 12, I question maybe stupid is the right word. I question the interest that person really has in being an NFL player. Yeah, I mean because you look at certain positions, D-Line men, offensive linemen, probably linebackers too. And these guys are weighing 240 and uphounds. If you're having a hard time... Does the quarter back do it? I think they do 185. I think they do 185.

20:35I have to double check. But everyone else decided to keep that high. We'd have to have support me if they make the punters and kickers do it. Yes, 25 as well. Because I'm not sure about that. And I think I'm a huge believe in weight training. But I think there are probably better ones that serve the thing you need. And I don't know that it has to be bench press. You mentioned the dumbbells. I think they're different things. I know if you asked a weight training or the guys that you have. There are ones that they would say would be better that they would use to judge for like a quarterback. I don't know what you have to do. I would think with a quarterback, there's probably some benefit to having strong legs. I always thought squats were really important, but I don't know if they are. Whatever exercise works your glutes and stuff like that, that that strength is going to be valuable on a football field, given the strength of people you're up against. Tell me if I'm wrong. No, you're not wrong. It's very important to have that lower half strength.

21:35That also ties into your core and things like that. So that's it's a very important lift, but they're not going to have guys do that at the con line potentially blow out of back. Oh, yeah. Okay. Like you know what I mean? Like you say, because like the test would be 315, 315 out of squat. How many times can you do it? Well, in college, guys are able to squat ridiculous amounts of weight. So you ask the guy to squat 315 as many times he can. Let me do your nose. Ask it please. And this is my most important is that generally indicative of a person who's a pretty good football player, or would you say the same thing about a squat, as you said, about the bench press? I would say that the squat probably is more of an important lift, because like I said, it ties in a lot of things. It ties in the legs. It ties in the core. It ties in the upper back and things like that. Being able to lock all that in and move weight up and down. So to me, I'd say that's more relevant than say a bench press,

22:37because like, what does it matter to a little wide receiver? How much you bench presses? You know what I mean? Like to me, it doesn't matter to him. And there probably are good, again, weight training exercises that those guys that run the programs who probably, if they were in charge, I'm guessing I have a pretty good idea. Yeah, I want to see a guy do this, and I would think, as I stated, that you should only be so low. Like, I don't care if he could do 900, to damn well, better be able to do 150, or whatever the number is, where you call that person's a risk, because they're just not physically strong enough. Yeah, well, and I think that's, I think that's the whole point of the bench test. Right? It's just to get a baseline to see where a guy is physically from, you know, an upper body strength standpoint. Right? Like, that's the only thing I could think of,

23:37because like, at certain positions, right, each position has their number that they need to hit. Right? That's like, that puts you in the normal category, or you could exceed that and be. Right. But there's certainly a red zone, where it's like, hey, what's going on here? Like, why is he deficient there? Or he should be hitting at least this number? Why didn't he at least hit this number? Did he not, like you said, take the training seriously? And that throws up another red flag, and then it's, you know, it's kind of that, that spiral out thing that happens at the combine, where if one thing goes wrong, then they just continue to hammer on the guy. See, I'd love, we had a guy that you would know, Scott Hulsoppel was his name. He'd been a football, a weight guy in boxer at Penn State, and he came and he was at Marquette for the basketball. And he was so tough, that they were, when there were crudes coming in, the players would tell him about everything in the program,

24:38except him, because they were afraid that if they found out, anyway, he was one of the first guys to use that tire. The huge tires, were you rolling it over? And I think, I think something like that, to me, would be really valuable to watch, just the person's general strength, but I have stated before, I'm just making all this stuff up, but as being one who was not very strong and knowing what they did to check, like, can you climb the rope to the top of the gym? Dude, that's hard. I know, yes, I know it was. I was incredibly embarrassed. Then people came to teach you kind of the tricks, where you can do it with your legs more than your arms. You got to wrap your feet around it. Yes, there you go. That's correct. Yeah. But anyway, back to the tires. Did they... I mean, this was like, and you had to have the tires by then. Everybody had the tires. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We did an Iowa. That was an absolute staple. It was an absolute staple. Was there value, too? Oh, yeah.

25:38Because you're not only working your lower body, but then you got to push it. And then, so you're using your lower and everything to pick it up. And then you're using your upper to push it. And it's kind of... It works everything, for sure. All right. Let's get... Now, I'm saying you can get the road rash on your shoulders from it, because you're pressing so hard into it, lifting up, and then it's on the hot turf, so then it's baking in the sun. I mean, it was... But that's all stuff that you just love doing. Yeah. I mean, no, guys, they're all crazy. I would tell you a quick sky, a whole sample store. He ends up then going to Florida, when Urban Meyer was there. And he calls me up randomly, because when my kid messed up, I made him go to Scott Olsoppel at 5.30 in the morning. Oh, that's... He called him the devil. Anyway, he says, I can't tell you this. I was at Penn State for 10 years. I could break any guy, anybody down. At some point, they just... They wear down, they throw up, whatever it means, when those guys know they broke down. I said, I found a kid. I can't do it. He's not human.

26:38And this was in August, the kid had never played it down at Florida. He said, I like this name down, Tim Tebow. Yeah. And yeah, I know. And certainly, he was... He was certainly that type of... Workout worker. He just said, he was... Yeah. He was nuts. I couldn't... He had to love our inheritance, and so... I mean, but you have to deal with... I mean, is it fair to say they're nuts? These people are crazy. Oh, the string coach? Yes. Oh, yeah. My string coach and I would coach Doyle one of the best. I mean, one of the best. I mean, credit a lot of my development, you know, as a football player to him, and I won't, because of how he develops got kids and gets them stronger and faster and we're agile and how he adds weight and how it's a process and things like that. But I mean, the stuff we would do was absolutely... Did he like to see people throw up? Scott Holesoppel used to go on a treadmill and they would go on to try to get it fast enough to where they would collect, you know, like they couldn't stay up with the speed. Who does that?

27:38That's what they did for fun. Yeah. We didn't do any of that. Thankfully. But no, it always make them smile with something cute. I mean, it makes it, it puts a smile on their face. Right? Like I think it's... That's my question. That's one of those things. Yeah. I think every string coach plays the key. And yet they seem to know not to go too far. I'd never heard of any stories of like, you know, they send someone to the hospital or I don't know how you know how far to go, but never go too far. I mean, you agree with that premise. Yeah. I mean, and the thing too is, like these are college kids. Right? So if chances are, if they say something did happen, they were probably out losing at the bars the night before and then they come into a workout half in the tank. And yeah, you're going to get punished. Well, no, and as I said, that speaks to one, there's stupidity and two, that they're not very smart. Right? I mean, you... Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

28:38Oh, yeah. It was bad. And he heard from everybody else. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The guy was a pariah. I mean, you messed up. You become a pariah like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm like, you armor with stuff you can become a pariah like that because they would launch. They wouldn't do it. They would launch. Yeah. And then their punishment would be later. And what that is. And I got to admit, that's a pretty good system. I don't know who invented it. But it works, right? Oh, it works. Yeah. For sure, you don't want to be that guy. You don't want to be that guy. You don't want to be that guy. Only ones. Only ones. Oh, all right. Yes. time and far as the college kids because they pass so much now in college if that's makes

29:40them a better pass block or going into the pros guaranteed next. Tune into the new season behind the Bucks podcast with the Bucks Plus audio network presented by Gallagher, your trusted insurance broker and HR and benefits consultant, by the way, is playing tonight the Bucks are home against the Boston selfies. Bucks versus the world, narrated by comedian Charlie Barons reveals the untold story of the 87 McDonald's Open, the Bucks, the first MD-18 to take on the best national team in the world, the Soviet Union. Fine, behind the Bucks on Bucks.com slash plus the Bucks app, the new ESPN Wisconsin app and wherever you get your podcasts, behind the Bucks is presented by Gallagher, the Brian Bullaga homerower. Alright, let's get to college football is now way, way, way, way more passing than it used to be. You said pass blocking is a tough thing to do. Does that mean the college players are

30:42more prepared, better prepared for the NFL than before or is my theory wrong? I think there's there's always going to be exceptions to it. I think there's always going to be guys that are just fantastic offensive linemen and they can pass block really well and that's just a given. I do think that while they have more exposure to it, obviously, then it was when I was there. I mean, we passed the ball, but we ran football a lot. I think we're looking at now these guys aren't as well rounded, right? And when you're not as well rounded, you get exposed easier. And that's from that's from a way you mean by well rounded. Yeah, so like I think from my perspective, and I can only talk about my perspective and being in a very pro system at Iowa, it was a very pro system. Yeah, some bounce. Yeah, I mean, some bounce.

31:45We ran the ball a lot, but we threw it when I mean, when needed to, we had a good quarterback in Stanzi. We did a lot of what teams like the Rams and things like that, a lot of play action, so a lot of hard run sell where you have to take three hard steps and gauge your delinement and then set up and pass block. And then that would tie into how you run block. And then that would, so, and then those are things that NFL teams do a lot. And we see how much the play action is a big deal in the NFL. We complain about it in Green Bay because we're not doing it as effectively now. But that's not something that really happens in today's college football. Like, yeah, it's all spread. And when you spread like that, like they are right now, the ball's out so quick, right? The ball's out so fast. How long are you even really engaging past, you know, in past blocking? So scouts know less now than they used to. I think that they have less. That's what I would say. Yes, I think they have less

32:47information to go off. And to me, I think that's why you see offensive linemen struggle for a few years these days to get settled in the NFL because I don't think that they're in college being is challenged from being a well-rounded offensive lineman. Like, you see the consistent colleges that put out offensive linemen. I'm not who typed, you know, who in the Iowa Horn here, but I was one of them. Notre Dame was one of them. When Sabin was there, Alabama was one of them. You know, you look at these programs that are doing it consistently year after year, they put out offensive linemen. It's because the system that they were in was a lot more pro style. And they're doing everything. They're past blocking. They're run blocking. They're play action. They're out of a three-point stance. They're out of a two-point stance. They run zone. They run power. They run five-step. They run three-step. They run seven-step. There's an unknown

33:47about a guy who was in the spread offense. Like, right? I'm watching him going, I think I know, but I'm not sure. Whereas the players you're talking about in a more balanced offense, even if you're run more, you're getting to see the things that give you more information, right? A hundred percent. And Wisconsin was that way forever. So all our listeners know that I'm not forgetting Wisconsin. Wisconsin was that way forever. It'd be the same way with the Wisconsin linemen. You would see exactly how they did in all these different situations. And then you can build a really good idea of what this guy's going to be like. All right, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying that Jordan Morgan played in the spread offense. Okay, Arizona. I don't know what they did or did, but that's my idea. I mean, it was a pack-ten team at the time. So my guess is that they did. Right. Because that's what that's what the pack-ten is. Pretty much. I mean, I'd be curious about linemen at USC. Like they, and they, I don't know,

34:52I guess they kind of run the ball, but, but they did they did a lot more in the in the early 2000s and the 2010s and things that it changed. Yeah. And you saw a lot of good linemen come out of USC at that time. The collials, like you saw a lot of good offensive linemen come out of USC at that time. So it's, it's one of, I think didn't Tyrant Smith go to USC? The Cowboys left tackle. I'm pretty sure he did. I'm pretty sure the Cowboys left tackle. He was there forever. I'm pretty sure he went to USC. So that's another good example. A guy that was an absolute unit machine, pass blocking and run blocking that came out of that system where it was a little more balanced. So I think where there's always exceptions, right. There's always guys that will come out of a school that is a spread that he's just phenomenal. He can do it all like he's just a, he's a perfectly balanced offensive lineman. You're seeing a lot of these guys come out now and it's, it's a struggle

35:54for them early on to adapt. Because no, you're not just going to be five wide spread out and the balls get to be out of there in two seconds and then your job's done. Like there's no such thing as that in the NFL pass blocking. These are three seconds away. Tom Brady is last couple years. Wasn't that the same? Well, yeah. Well, Tom Brady's different. Tom Brady. That's, that's a little different. But most of these times, these are three second, three and a half second flights against guys that are absolute freak shows ripping off the edge. And you don't get that, um, you don't get that challenge in college. You just don't get it. So yeah, I, I would say that. I don't know what you can tell them. There's no way to solve this. They're going to run that offense and you're just as a scout going to have to try to figure out whether this person could adjust to the pros, even though you really don't probably have enough information. Maybe that's why the, the senior will be, senior bowl will be huge, but I don't, you're still going to

36:56deal with somebody who you know is going to take some time to adjust. Yeah. And I think you see a program this year that I think has some good offensive linemen was in Indiana. Obviously, they were the national champions, but they ran the ball a lot. Yeah. They were a balance, they were a balanced system. I mean, whatever you want to say about it, they were balanced. I think they do have a tackle or a guard or someone that's supposed to be drafted high this year. I think if I'm not mistaken, but it's programs like that. Penn State's another one. Penn State puts out offensive linemen all the time, right? Like it just, it's based on how what offense you're running in college. And like, again, we talked about this before. There's a reason why if I was telling an offensive linemen where you should go to college, you should look at certain schools because they're going to develop you in a way that as you prepared, if you're good enough to be ready for the next level, right? And it's whether you're first round pick, second round,

38:00pick the room, that's whatever. You're going to go into that old line room and you're going to impress people based on what your skill set is because what you were taught at college. Right. So while the Packers seemed always like they like tackles or left tackles in college, it probably also did depends on where they were playing left tackle. Yes. Or what's this? I think so. All right. I think so. I mean, I mean, the the best lines that I were a part of, they were obviously all left tackles. CJ was a left tackle. Sin was a left tackle. Faktiari was a left tackle. I was a left tackle. Obviously, Linsley was a center, no matter what. The centers are centers. You don't change them. Centers are centers. That's period in a discussion. But then you look at when I got first out there, Clifton, left tackle. I'm pretty sure Darren College played left tackle at Boise, Boise State. I don't think the Towsuit left tackle at Wisconsin or do you play right tackle? I believe he played racked. I think Mac and Towsuit was there most of the time. Okay. So Towsuit

39:03played right tackle. But then then the huge guy, the 400 pound guy, we'll have to look. Yeah, but like they get in. I mean, you know what? What? You know what Matt? You know what Towsuit did most of his college career, what position he played most of the college career. Bench. No. Bench. Up until that last year and then the rest is history. He's a rare breed. No, it just means they had really good guys ahead of them. Well, yeah, or he was just a rare breed, man. He's just one of those guys that couldn't play just didn't play and got his chance and showed what he was about. But he was leaving Wisconsin head off to Youngstown State and ran into the guy at the Kentucky Derby, the, I don't know, coordinator often slides as, hey, we're expecting, I don't know, back, expecting you back. He's like, no, they aren't. I'm going to Youngstown State. No, we want you back and the rest is history. Yeah. All right. Now our discount liquor, Twitter poll question, Rich Besace is taking the same job, special teams guy at Clemson. Why do

40:10you think he left Green Bay? Wanted to coach college or wanted out of Green Bay? Brian Bulaga will answer next. The discount liquor, Twitter poll question and a great one. Palmer Packer, special teams coordinator, Rich Besace is taking the same job at Clemson. Why do you think he left Green Bay? He wanted to coach college or he wanted out of Green Bay. Brian Bulaga, you can answer first or I can answer first if you'd prefer to have me do it. You can answer. He wanted out of Green Bay, but he can't go somewhere else because then he'd have to admit that he didn't want to be in Green Bay anymore and he didn't want that to be something thought of by LaFlore. So I just go to college for one year, then I can go back somewhere else and I said, hey, I just wanted to try college for a little bit and see if maybe college has changed and it's become profitable at different level. So it works out perfectly. I am one thousand percent expecting him to go back somewhere

41:11else in the pros next year. Take it away though. That's a cheap comment because it's a question of how much I would bet in 100 would be the max. I would bet 65 that is stay in college is one year. Now to Brian Bulaga Besace taking the same job at Clemson. Why do you think he left Green Bay? He wanted to coach college or wanted out of Green Bay. I guess I should have had as a third answer both, but I didn't want to. I mean, I think it's pretty obvious he wanted out of Green Bay. I think he looked at this as like a no-win situation anymore. He's going to, regardless of what happens, he's going to catch the heat for it, whether we say Green Bay doesn't prioritize. And to affect his brand, which I think people don't realize coaches think about. Yeah. Yeah. And whether we say Green Bay doesn't prioritize special teams or this or that, whatever. But I just think he's looked at it from the attention that he's got it. He's gotten negatively. Is it worth it? Right? And the thing is like, and this is all I've heard about Besace from people that I know that have played

42:17and even when I was in the league, great student and great coach. Right? So like those are the things that I know from hearing around the league. Obviously things did not work out from the performance standpoint from those units throughout his time there. Now we can go back prior to him and still see the same results and rankings and things like that. But I think for him, I mean, as a guy that's so highly regarded. Yeah. I just, I just think that probably he, he was thinking I, it's probably best that I just go. Probably best that I just go and we can, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever you may say, like, yeah, I mean, if he spends a year at Clemson, it moves on. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked either. But I just don't think it was going to be a fit anymore in Green Bay. And for him personally, like, taking the heat that he took, um, probably just got enough of that,

43:19got enough of that new challenge, kids, maybe though, and obviously you saw the impact that everyone says that he made in the locker room. I think kids will buy into that quite a bit. Yeah. Everybody loved him. I never heard. I never, I mean, I don't remember ever, ever hearing anything for anybody who worked with him. That wasn't not only positive, but glowing. Yeah. Everything was positive. Guys loved them. And again, that's exactly what I heard about him in his time. I put up the league when I was a player that guys loved him. So I'm just not sure because listen, there's only so many like tactical things you could do on special teams. Yeah. Is that like someone's recreating the wheel here? Right. All right. Now we have a minute left and I have to ask you because today is the day in which the greatest achievement in the history of sports occurred. Do you know what it was? No. Wilk Chamberlain scored a hundred points in a game. What is the most amazing thing that you think

44:24you achieved as an athlete? I don't know. Oh, come on. There had to be something. You're the youngest starter ever in the Super Bowl. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything to you. Yeah, that's not necessarily an accomplished event. That's just, I was right guy, right, you know, right here and all that. I would say, I don't even know, I can't give you time. I need a little time for that. Hi, we will give you time. I won't mention mine. I want to hear that. I will when you mentioned yours because mine wasn't an achievement. It was just that I was the luckiest person in the history of sports. But for another time, I can't wait to, what is Brian Belaga going to pick out as the greatest achievement? Like it could be just one game. Wilk Chamberlain, a hundred points, the amazing part

45:25as I think from the free throw line. He was like 38 of 42 and he was a less than 50% free throw shooter. Most days, I think. National ESPN, I'm always proud to be a little late. Brian Belaga deserves to have the national show be a little late because he's that good.