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On this inaugural episode of Trump's Trials, host Scott Detrow and NPR political editor/correspondent Domenico Montanaro break down this week's testimony from former President Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka in the New York civil fraud case brought against the Trump Organization.
This week's guest is NYU's Melissa Murray. Topics include:
-Arguments in the New York case so far
-Whether Donald Trump actually cares if he loses
-Why Trump sounded a lot different on the witness stand this week than he has in the past — while Ivanka, notably, did not
-Why you should never email your family from a work account (especially if you also work with them)
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This week's guest is NYU's Melissa Murray. Topics include:
-Arguments in the New York case so far
-Whether Donald Trump actually cares if he loses
-Why Trump sounded a lot different on the witness stand this week than he has in the past — while Ivanka, notably, did not
-Why you should never email your family from a work account (especially if you also work with them)
Follow the show on Apple Podcasts or Spotify for new episodes each Saturday.
Sign up for sponsor-free episodes and support NPR's political journalism at plus.npr.org/trumpstrials.
Email the show at [email protected].
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See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.
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