Why Canada Just Did a 180 on China | Silk and Steel

0:00you guys Carl Zah is here and you know we saw this carney meeting with in China and we had to talk about it we had to bring back the kung fu yoga series which is really more like kung fu maple syrup or like dumplings in maple syrup now it's a beautiful combination I mean yeah so I yeah tell me tell me what you like go ahead no no go ahead go ahead you go first like okay so because listeners who may be familiar with this series you know Carl and I have got together to talk over the years every time there's been a dramatic Canada China story so some of the Canada China stories that we have discussed was when Canada literally kidnapped a major Chinese executive and for years on behalf of America we covered a whole fear mongering

1:10campaign about supposed Chinese interference in Canadian elections which had no evidence but there are books written about it there are a couple of journalists that just pursued it and won awards for it and then had to apologize and leave their newspapers their newspapers got sued because it's all defamatory false stuff and and now we're covering something I you know I didn't think I didn't think we would be covering this thank you thank you com retro thank you com retro for making a retro do nothing she's in things strategy do nothing and win okay so so what happened the proximate event we're discussing tonight is Mark Carney the Prime Minister of Canada had the first meeting with China in eight years I think for a Canadian Prime Minister to go to China there was there was a really embarrassing meeting when Trudeau was Prime Minister where he

2:14leaked some information some kind of thing from a meeting that was supposed to be closed doors than Xi Jinping was like oh you don't do that man don't do that and and Trudeau everybody loved it and everybody loved it when Xi Jinping chewed out Trudeau oh you're the Canadians because they said that like finally they hated Trudeau by that point and and Trudeau had to go like he had to kind of walk out of the room and like go into like the kitchen or like god knows where he went maybe he went to call Katy Perry or something um and that was like the last meeting that I know about and the rest of it has been all like kind of smears and so um there were there were certain tariffs that Trump imposed on the Canadian economy which was gonna you know on its way to crashing the whole Canadian economy um the agricultural products are a major one and and then Canada

3:21is totally dependent on the US in every way like it's really funny because Mark Carney came and said you know we're gonna fight back and we're gonna we're gonna make a new deal and he's a tough negotiator and he's a central banker and stuff but everything that he did was just give America everything they wanted that was all what what are you gonna do like they buy everything Canada has they sell us everything that Canada needs um you know like we're we're talking on Skype like you know my work computer uses Microsoft like Google we I searched this up using Google like we message each other using WhatsApp what are we talking about the the idea that Canada's gonna how like work the Canadian government is gonna send each other a bunch of emails over Microsoft and tell them we're gonna we're gonna take on America now like search up on Google like you know a call up chat GPT and say hey tell me how to take on America no um but then and yet now um here we are

4:29where Mark Carney went to China and several of the things that are have been announced so far are already um the tariff on the all the advanced Chinese uh electric vehicles 49,000 of them to start has gone from 100% to 6% um there's uh China's gonna buy Canola oil which is the canola I don't know if people know this but canola means canady the can and canola means canadian um it's like oh really yeah yeah that's canola is a plan no no it's during world war two I think and there were certain sources of oil that the Americans needed they needed vegetable oil and the Canadians you know diverted however much land to growing this oil or growing these rapeseed I think it's rapeseed and then now and that became Canola so now China's gonna benefit from the canola

5:34China's gonna use the canola oil it has a high smoke point it's a decent oil yeah it's a great oil I don't know if you cook China happened uh I think was the largest purchaser canola oil up to the point when China slapped sanction of tariff on Canada in retaliation of Canada slapping 100% tariff on Chinese EV uh so so like that actually caused a lot of problem for Canadian farmers because they depended on the Chinese market just like the soybean farmer in the United States depended on the Chinese market and and and so now the deal is uh I guess carnies like okay sorry we're just kidding you know I understand we did this thing for United States we slapped 100% tariff on China EV because Biden administration won this too and we we we detained among ones so again because the first Trump I think was first Trump administration that wanted this too and so we're sorry let's let's

6:36get back on track and which is funny because now a lot of conservatives Canadian conservatives who angry that carnie is going to China they're now calling him a hypocrite by pointing out carnie used to say China is our biggest security threat right and uh well I think that actually shows that there's some degree of flexibility in Canadians uh politics you know like you you to be a politician you need to be pragmatic right me mean pragmatic is too strong a turn but you need to be flexible yeah but certainly I you know I would have thought that um I didn't think I didn't think the Canadian elite had this in them um you know I you know I I know what's a bright I'm yeah go ahead you know what Canadians actually Canadian leadership actually had more balls than the Europeans yeah you know I like yeah and you know I don't think kids are still bowing and

7:39scraping so here's one here's one question do you think that do you think that the Venice the kidnapping of Maduro uh here in the atmosphere maybe made carnie like um a little bit more afraid well you think that made it possible that's a possibility that's a possibility but but if Trump had just limited his ambition at Venezuela strictly I'm sure carnie like other European leader would have just you know stick to the party line oh you know this is a victory for democracy you know like authoritarian regime must must be brought to heal but Trump didn't stop there the thing is really I think it's about Trump going off to Greenland yeah and and and and remember Trump has said he also wanted to make Canada the 51st day but now he's really making a serious effort going

8:44off to Greenland and if you look at it for people who you know to look at a map if US were to acquire Greenland Canada is literally Fox stand all signed by by mainland USA by Alaska by Greenland so yeah I would I would be a little bit nervous too if that if I mean Cardi C so Greenland is like Canada's strategic depth is that where the Canadian RV would retreat in the event of an invasion well I'm not not strategic depth it's just there will be Canada will literally be a land locks landlock country you know like you'll be surrounded by kick United States on all sides so yeah I think and and plus Trump has repeatedly said that he's gonna take over Canada as well so I mean people would start he was just kidding you know people thought he was kidding about Greenland well he wasn't kidding about Greenland he's really he really meant it

9:50yeah so do you think I mean while we're talking about Greenland do you do you think that because I don't think anybody in Greenland is gonna fight the Americans if they land there so I suppose if he wants it he can take it oh yeah I mean no doubt I mean I don't think I don't think NATO is gonna fight NATO right I mean I well I mean we we have the presence of a NATO member you know going after another well like we had the Turkish invasion of Cyprus right before Turkey being a NATO member Greece being the other NATO member and then NATO didn't do anything and you have you have actually Calis the European High Commissioner for Foreign Affairs and Security she actually just tweeted out she said oh you know it's bad to for the allies to fight among ourselves you know for whatever the happy Greenland this can be resolved within NATO I'm like

10:53what do you mean how can you resolve living a NATO with the largest NATO member is attacking another NATO member what the heck are you gonna do and and she wasn't even brave enough to mention Trump's name you know like this is this is insane yeah there there are just so many unthinkable things that have happened in the past few weeks that I don't even know yeah very diso it's very disorienting but the fact that Canada did this the fact that Karni did this is um it's a it's a big deal I don't know how big of a deal it is in China do you have any are people laughing in China like they must be laughing their heads up I mean this is a this is a much bigger that deal than I expected right I knew Karni was going to China you know I briefly mentioned it on my last show but I just didn't think it would be a big deal because let's face it Canada is just not that important yeah bigger scheme of things but I think that it's a reaction from the

11:57Anglo sphere especially on the social media there's a lot of angry conservative Canadians and there's a lot of angry Americans now like like on Twitter now there's four Americans say oh yeah you did that we're gonna take take take take you over now and this is like this is really weird if you think about it China is oh China United States and Canada they're to each other's largest trading partner Canada is US largest trading partner vice versa and China is Canada's second largest trading partner and China is US third largest trading partner after all the Trump sanctions and stuff so now it's like the United States is look angry at Canada it's largest trading partner to go hammer a deal with China it's third largest trading partner right like like a lot of people are saying this is like you know it's about like it's almost like a jealous

12:57fighting fighting over the new relationship that always acts well so can that Canadian history with China is interesting because I think sometime around 2003 there was a big team China thing all over the newspapers and so it was John Crittian and he was the prime minister and he and a whole team and his finance minister and everybody they all went to China and it was a big trip and it was a big fanfare and they came out with all these deals and it was this big deal and and I guess you know Karnie said oh the other the other clause in the deal is visa free travel to China from Canada for visits did you see that one there's also visa free travel for for Canadian visitors to China and Karnie said this is again this is the same person who during the the leadership debate was asked what's the biggest security threat and just casually was like China China China

14:03and Trump had already been talking about annexing Canada at that point um you know but and the genocide was going on and you know all this interference it could but anyway um Karnie he tweeted nearly two million Canadians are of Chinese descent many with family and friends across the Pacific as we renew this relationship China has committed to soon allowing Canadians to visit without a visa you see see all these angry comments uh under his tweet and he like all these people it's like I don't want to go to China why would you do that it's like nobody's forcing you to go dude it's it's option it's option you can have if you choose to what is forcing you to go to China um and no it's it's it's it's amazing it's amazing but so so yeah what what do you are you

15:04like on the Chinese internet what are people saying about this is it people must be tickled really I haven't really I haven't really looked at Chinese internet because I have been glued to to the ex because it's so much entertainment there's so much entertainment on the ex-site of things uh you know like all these Americans are upset at Canadians like what it's a trading relationship they're not for me like a a military alliance or anything they're literally just who knows who knows who knows maybe I'll be you know and uh but yeah I work at a really whole in terms of the military relationship I just wanted to say I work at a at a pretty large university um I think it's around 40 50 between 40 and 50,000 students and faculty and staff and everything and I think that that university is a little bit bigger than

16:05the Canadian army so I'm not sure if it's another it's another situation where if the Americans decided that they wanted to take over I'm not sure what options Canada would have um which is why um yeah well well I mean like if you think about it China Canada used to have a pretty um enjoys a pretty good reputation in China because when little Chinese kids are growing up normally yes normally but too come into come into China to to help out that's what little Chinese kids are learning you know they're impression of Canada and as you say the Canadian Chinese relationship have been pretty good up to up to Chudot I would say up to Chudot it's one Chudot on the behalf of the first Trump administration to kidnap Mungwan so the CTO of or

17:13CFO of Huawei um and that's when the relationship turned sour right and and then then after that it's all this accusation there's also like the crank up really crank up the propaganda campaign inside Canada about all the things that we talk about how China have secret police station China is monitoring China is you know trying to interfere in the in the Canadian politics I mean the same playbook they did in the other five-unite country Australia you know they tried that method before was successful they did it the Canada was the second one to to follow that model but now we're finally at a point where you know Donald Trump is being so ridiculous that that Carney is doing this 180 degree turn um and I was I will you know what I think it's a big deal because

18:14it showed the alternatives what could be to the other European countries as well as other Anglo five I members you know you know you you still have countries like Australia New Zealand UK you know they're still being playing the playing puppy dogs of United States and here Canada just bolted you know there and yeah go ahead just be like to again like a little these are all pieces of Canadian history that I think a lot of Canadians listening will know but during the election so people hated Trudeau you know Trudeau was in in office for 10 years or whatever so after a while everybody hates the person that everybody hates the incumbent that's sort of how Canada I think it's probably everywhere but in Canada that's how politics goes and so everybody hated Trudeau and and the conservatives who are of course like super pro Israel just like

19:19the Liberals super anti-China just like the Liberals but like you know a little bit more nasty and in various ways especially in terms of how they talk about other Canadians whatever anyway they were on track to winning they were ahead you know the Pierre Polly Evre was surging in the polls and uh and then Trump started talking about the 51st day and um you know the the uh some conservatives like went to America and visited Trump and was like can you knock that off like we're about to win and and and if you keep this up like people are gonna and then the Liberals position themselves really cleverly you know Trudeau came and he had this speech and people started liking Trudeau a little bit and then he laughed he just accent stage right hey like it was a perfect uh move and then they brought this guy nobody knew who he was they were like oh Mark Garnie's coming and he got

20:23rid of the carbon tax and he was like so no carbon tax no Trudeau um and now Trump is talking about making you the 51st date so and Polly Evre is a Trump guy like he he wants to make Canada great again he had really like leaned into the Trumpism and so they just they wiped the conservatives out in the election um and and so in a way you could say that Garnie is does have some kind of mandate to pursue these kinds of things because he ran kind of against Trump and won uh because he was running against Trump so like however unpopular China is Trump is pretty unpopular right now uh still in Canada so and he keeps he's the gift that keeps on giving in that sense right like he he never he never lets up like the conservative allies told him like if you could tone it down that would be great and he was like we he was like

21:28yeah sure and then he came out and did the 51st date thing again so well I think yeah you know Trump he has he only think Trump want is concerned about is his own image his own domestic image in United States I mean right now he's positioning himself as a great American president you know what does a great American president do you expand America and that's in here that's what he wants he is building his legacy right now he probably won another statue carve out of his face on the Mont-Rache board you know and this is this is a whole this is this is why we're in the Greenland business and this is why he said he went to an ex-Canada um and but he hasn't actually done any of those things yet he hasn't successfully expanded anything well what has he done he hasn't even regained change when is really right I mean like yes he kept that Maduro yes but the still the

22:34same government in Caracas and but but that's that's Trump he he knows how to get the spotlight because being the natural reality TV show host is he is he knows how to look good for the television and at least to grab people's attention so people don't question about Epstein files for example yeah yeah for sure but do you know since we're here like how much do you think because there's there's Trump's being kind of erratic and and Trump doing these things to distract from scandals and and israel's need to keep going into one conflict after another to uh you know not reckon with the generalized descent into madness of their society uh but like um how much is this also like a grand strategy of the US to try to get China out of Venezuela and try

23:42to get China out of the hemisphere and try to get um you know what oil like trying to get China in Iran I guess out of the Venezuelan and Russia out of the Venezuelan oil game like do you think that this is this is some rational grand strategy as well um in terms of these moves well well I mean that's there's they are they're excuse right that's a state of reason why US is militarily intervening in Venezuela because we have to keep China Russia you wrong and all these bad actors out of our hemisphere but what is really keeping Venezuelan oil going to China rather than United States it's because the sanctions because the sanction level by the first Trump administration and and and that's what's the oil executive Exxon mobile actually told him during the hearings like we left Venezuela in 2019 because sanctions and and that you know all they have

24:48to do is lift the sanctions and the oil will flow back to United States uh but but but the only reason China right now is the largest buyer of Venezuel oil uh about like 90 percent is because US sanction only China is big enough and say you know what we don't we're not going to worry about sanctions we're going to keep us sanction we're going to keep buying Venezuelan oil uh you know same thing this is how China became the largest buyer of Iranian oil it's because you wrong like Venezuela was under sanctioned by EU and United States you know if you lift the sanctions you know all the oil there's everybody gets paid but but like yeah so if the if the strategy is to try to get China out this like this is it it's not working because now even Canada is trying to

25:48get China in and and buy Chinese cars like the cars thing is also a pretty big deal in Canada so because Canada Canadian manufacturing jobs are auto industry and they're basically what in Canada are known as branch plants so it's American branch plants and American companies like producing cars in Canada here's the here's the here's the kicker Carl they like producing cars in Canada mainly because they don't have to pay employer side health insurance because the Canadian government pays the health insurance so so the package you know because of the exchange rate as well like if if the if the exchange if the Canadian dollar is low which it is right now and you don't have to pay health care it's actually pretty competitive to produce American cars here so on the other hand you know if there's unions and you want to do union busting you can always leave and go back to America and find some lowest common denominator place and so you know but Canadians also

26:54want these cars like everybody sees what these cars can do and like everybody wants these cars of them and how cheap they are for what they have so people are you're going to see these BID cars in Canada pretty soon and that's that's going to be another thing man like yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm gonna be I did not expect that to happen I did not expect that to happen by the way I mean like yeah because I think I think the only reason you happen is because of I mean I yeah yeah no Canada doesn't like I didn't I thought this was like too big of a leap for Canadians but like if Carnie did it like Carnie's not a like a Carnie's not like Trump like Carnie is like the consensus of the Canadian elite like Carnie is a conservative actually he's not like a liberal he's a he's a he's a central banker yeah he's a central man is a banker he's

28:02stole Venezuela's gold I think he was the bank of England banker like like it's it's like you realize like if you look at Carnie's career you kind of see that Canada is not really a country like why is a Canadian in charge of the bank of England and then like what how could that be and the reason that is is because there's not a country of Canada there's an Anglo-Sphere with the elite that like go to different universities in the Anglo-Sphere and travel between and and seamlessly command these different resources so that means all of which means that this is a bigger decision to to to have a different relationship with China inside the Anglo-Sphere inside the five eyes so like how deep does this go yeah I mean I already saw some brids are saying

29:05why why don't we have free visa to China why don't we get free visa free to China right and because all the other countries in you you are already getting it for France Germany and they're wondering why we left out wow you know reasons yeah well they got a lot of free stuff from China over the years didn't they I mean I don't think it's about history it's really about their you know UK has been the you know basically the the deputy of United States you know US is not getting any visa free to China anytime soon you know because so I mean I do think I do think that America can punish I was expecting punishment to be swift and decisive but did you see Trump's answer yeah Trump says oh that's good you know Canada it's it's good they should have trade deals which is really interesting because you have all

30:08these angry Americans and angry Canadian right-wing commentator X so I'm going ballistic over Carney going to China and here's Trump say yeah of course they should do do business with China yeah so something else is happening I mean I don't know I mean probably probably we're going to record this and then post it and then there's going to be a war with Iran before we're like finished talking so there there's there may be just like bigger fish to fry here in terms of America and Israel and what they're trying to do in the world but like none the last big fish or small fish like this is this is it's strange and it's it's mind-boggling because yeah like I I do think that America has lots of ways they could punish Canada if if they want to you know trade obviously trade ways but like legal ways and and law fair kinds of ways like

31:10they could attack based on breach of contract or you know kidnap leaders like like like they could do to Canada what Canada did to Mengwan Zhou right oh yeah but Carney they could do the Canada what they did to Maduro they could take Carney and then try him in the state they could put him in the same jail that Luigi and Maduro are in now did you know that Luigi and Maduro in the same jail yeah I saw that I wish I wish they just a livestream that stuff you know livestream the jail that will be like the highest rated you know if you like if there's a gym and they're working out together or something like teaching salsa like Maduro's teaching salsa to the inmates and I don't know I just don't know so yeah so and then so economically legally and then they could also retaliate militarily like there are a lot of a great many Canadians including in the police and the army

32:15that are loyal to the states you know and and paramilitaries and truckers and all kinds of people that are loyal and pro-Israel people like the pro-Israel militias obviously would go do whatever they were supposed to based on what the Americans want so I think there's a lot they could do and and I think it was it was it was interesting to me that the first thing Trump did was like cool everybody down and say no they're supposed to make deals and and and and and in contrast of what Trump is doing to the Europeans right now because Trump just announced that he's imposing another 10% tariff on France, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands and UK for for if and that he will increase the tariff to 25% on June 1 if a deal to acquire Greenland is not reached so so you know Canada is exclusive on that list this this I think that boasted my thesis

33:23that you know because Trump is a bully you know he only respects strip he he does he despise weakness he prey on weakness the Europeans have been bending over backwards so he thought oh this is easy I'm gonna keep on pushing but whenever Trump receive a pushback when China said no on the trade war yeah China's Trump suddenly oh Xi Jinping is my best friend and and I think because Canada is showing up showing some sort of backbone Trump is not like you know he's climbing down a little bit he's he's he's not pushing the issue as people expected him to because he's a bully he's a bully that's he's that's the only way to deal with a bully is you have to negotiate on string you can't you can't like do what the Europeans do man they they're trying trying trying to curry favor by by you know when when Trump says job they ask how high but that that doesn't work so Denmark makes oh Zempek yes yes they do they also have some ip pattern on the latest insulin

34:32products a lot of insulin products they do so so that that's why I was joking uh you know Denmark will be fine as long as there are still fat Americans Denmark economy will be fine yeah so the tariffs though are like again Trump never understood what tariffs are because tariffs work if you have a comparable product that you want to make but they don't have a comparable product to Zempek so all you're gonna do is make it more expensive well they were they were put you know back in April they were placing tariff on coffee you know US do not produce coffee and and they only realized that several months later they were okay okay we're gonna roll back to the tariff on coffee but I don't think it's very well thought out you know like most of the Trump plans so I don't yeah so I guess so far Karin he's just got away with it luck of the Irish

35:41is he Irish I'm guessing from his name that he's background Irish um he just he doesn't look like there's gonna be any punishment it looks like a good deal um and now he's off to Qatar yeah to to join the uh Muslim Brotherhood is that what they're saying on social media no I just know that that's Qatar right I mean Qatar and Turkey that's like their politics is yeah it's just I yeah it's pragmatic I you know I I think it's I think it's really good for China to have this um you know during all these post-World War II you know I think there was oftentimes when Canada would be like the intermediary between America and Cold War opponents you know with Cuba like Canadians have

36:49always gone to Cuba and so if Americans want to go to Cuba they go via Canada things like that so I don't know maybe this will be some beautiful bridge between America and China and this troubled time Mark Carter it was a time it was a time I mean in after September 11th you know all these American tourists they're starting putting maple flags on their backpack to claim their Canadians and that also happened in 1999 when US bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade you know certainly all the Americans in China claimed their Canadians you know so so so you know Canada happened to have you know even though it's pretty much you know hang around of the US Empire you know participating all these NATO interventions but Canada has like this reputation being like the gentler you know

37:50the the gentler angle cousins of United States and so yeah well I'm doing that again yeah right yeah and I think I think this is good this good for Canada and China yeah um and and speaking of that you know when Venezuela happened I see a lot of people on social media as well as my YouTube channel comments saying oh if China and Russia don't intervene you know don't stop United States from walking all over their allies nobody will ally with China and Russia anymore you know nobody will want to have any business with China and Russia anymore well I'm like hey just wait wait for wait for Canada wait for wait for party no I mean that yeah like I I think I think on both of our channels we've talked about this like you know Iran didn't want that kind of help Venezuela also never asked for a military intervention by China they never in any time they

38:55always said you know if if America invades we will defend ourselves and and and we want peace and that's basically like how China talks to right China always talks that same way it's not like we want to be saved by others it's that we want peace and but don't walk think you can walk all over us yeah and I think people also have you know maybe they're somehow overestimate China's capability because unlike United States China do not have military bases all around the world so which means China actually do not have the same level of power projection as United States is you know Chinese Navy simply lacks the you know the the the the power projection capability into Caribbean it sounds America being one of those places in the world that's a furthest away from China California is

39:58locked closer to China that's really you know that's right if the Chinese Navy can deter United States in the Caribbean that means the Chinese Navy can deter United States everywhere off the coast of California already so people have to keep that in mind yeah you've got to look at a map and yeah like China yeah China can't it's it's it's like if it if it was a battle over Taiwan I think I'd bet on China but like Taiwan that's right there you know yeah and Venezuela is like that for the states Venezuela is right there it's right there they they have everything they have all their assets there they have their entire Navy there I don't know maybe some of it's moving towards Iran now but like even warships that were in Iran came to Venezuela before they kidnapped Maduro Ford USS Ford

40:58and move USS Ford to to the Caribbean but now they're moving a aircraft carrier attack from South China Sea to to to West Asia so so yeah definitely they're planning something yeah these yeah and that's the thing like if if they do attack Iran I'm sure Karni and Trump will be on the same page yeah for that so you know where it counts you know these are these are not these are not the biggest disputes actually whether Canada can be allowed to have these fancy cars or not yeah because I mean that's because you know attacking you wrong that's that's what is real right that's what not the other that's one of importance yeah exactly exactly yeah yeah so anything else what else if we can just there anything else we want to make sure we I mean I think I think covered it yeah but you so you talk to somebody you talk to Diego right

42:06yeah anything from that so we something we did not talk about on our livestream you know we talk about afterwards that you know Diego is mentioning that you know the rumor that they're going to reopen US Embassy in Venezuela is probably true it's probably going to happen and also the you know recent well there has been a comfort meeting between those head of CIA and the new Venezuelan acting president so and then definitely two sides are are talking uh you know we're just have to wait and see what kind of uh agreement will be hammered out whether it's a capitulation whether it's a compromise who knows uh oh yeah yeah I haven't I haven't given up hope that they could get Maduro back you know if mungwan joking you know you know they had to take some Michaels I don't think Venezuela is in a position to take any Michaels but who knows I don't know

43:10maybe they have some Michaels like that's the thing like we only know um what we know yeah because the Americans told us what happened on January 3rd so there could be American prisoners of war from that night there could be American casualties from that night and who's wouldn't be in anybody's interest to be talking about that right wouldn't Venezuela wouldn't want to be bragging about that yeah right yeah not that this particular junction no no that but if they do have those kinds of cards I they would be playing them in this discussion you know yeah because like that was there were there have been prisoner exchange and I I do think mungwan joe was the was the um what do you call it template like uh like several VI Venezuela and VIPs were exchanged for American mercenaries who would try to invade and oh that's right that's

44:15the the front last time so there is a bay of piglets yeah there's a way there there must be a channel when when they have each other's hostages there's probably some established way of talking about it yeah I know that's what I told Diego I mean Diego is that he didn't like that fact that they're going to reopen the U.S. Embassy but I'm like look well yes it's bad that U.S. Embassy is definitely a vector for them to spread their influence and possibly do shady stuff in the country but on the other hand in case like this you do want to maintain a clear open and communication line exactly absolutely dialectics dialectic yeah that's right that's right that's right that's the revolution all right Carl thank you so much man yeah anytime and let's yeah let's let's keep our eyes on the on this developing story okay that's what