Who stood out at the 2026 NFL Combine? (3/2 Hour 1)

0:00Coming up today on PFT Live we will review the guys who opened eyes at the scouting combine will Jerry Jones put his money Where his mouth is this year in free agency and the salary cap makes a significant jump PFT Live starts right after this Oh my god, I'm good. It's a good to see you Jordan here here just looking cool Casual actually there's a story behind it. Okay, so I had like $500 worth of Nike gear from the Ravens through and Before they fired me. I thought I'd spend the money. Well, gentlemen, thank you. Thank you for spending that extra Allotment to exactly I know I know a more money to spare you know But that whole true story I'd like 500 bucks my life's like you got like $500. You got to spend your your Nike money I looked on there. I think everything else was sold out other than the vanilla ice outfit I

1:07That explosion of raucous laughter you heard at the end was producer Pete Demolitis That's all Pete laughs You want some more sloppy joes Todd Muggen was hilarious and for his entertaining as he was During the 15 minutes or so we talked to him at the desk that scene at the end Where we were just off to the side of the desk and he was basically holding court like he loves that Yeah, he was talking to us for another 10 or 15 minutes and he was better There and the Browns camera crew captured some of that's one thing I noticed this year more than ever with the coaches and a lot of the prospects. Yes, totally might not have an entourage But they've got a camera crew right yeah agreed right? I felt like every Prospect that we kind of looked at that was kind of deemed as third round or above when they came to the set

2:12There was two people there from their school with the camera right and document and everything they do and you're right with the teams That's definitely become more and more popular now where it's like 32 for 32 They all got somebody going around document and what's going on and yeah, that was cool They got to do that and the Browns with with Todd Muggen who I hope everybody realizes too. I know people you know There's another great example though. Oh, you know, we're looking for you know young offensive genius guys Well, you know old offensive genius guy can be pretty cool and fun and knows how to relate to players too Let's not forget that Todd Muggen's got a little little spunk a little personality to him There's an edge to him and I think that's why he's been successful in the NFL And I think that's ultimately one of the big reasons he gets hired by the Cleveland Browns when it's all said and done there And it's not a negative edge. It's not a salty edge. It's Again, there's a presence that a coach needs to have yeah, and there's an ability to communicate and he has that gift of

3:17talking connecting Communicating in an entertaining way telling stories drawing you in Having like right away. He's got a great story as to why he was dressed like vanilla ice and it was hilarious And he drops the vanilla ice thing and it was just perfect perfect moment and it gives us a chance To get to know them and to just get a feel for who's got that quality And I'm reluctant to list the ones who did Because then By admission and implication, I could be flagging those who didn't but for the most part they do I was impressed with him. I was impressed with Jeff Haffley the new coach of the Miami Dolphins and I think I'm extra impressed When a traditionally dysfunctional team makes a good hire Because I didn't think they'd be able to pull it off right the fact that the Browns who by all indications Were Zeroing in on promoting Jim Schwartz from defensive coordinator that was the vibe in leak circles

4:20Schwartz clearly thought that he was getting that job and then all of a sudden they do the hard pivot To munkin now. I know why and there's another reality too press conference demeanor can be different from Interview or away from the microphones totally demeanor totally and you could watch Todd Munkin's introductory press conference and not get the same vibe as you got watching him with us Or if you'd been there for all of the off-to-the-side conversation it creates a very very different total impression of a coach and now the Browns have Many other factors in the organization that could weigh down the ability to succeed starting with the guy who holds the equity in the team But they got it right with their latest head coaching hire the question is Will they get it right on the field and will he eventually be the next scapegoat

5:25for an owner who I think likes to keep his His spoon a little too deep in the stew I don't disagree with that there road the right there's been some things there and Cleveland that we certainly have questioned whether they're heavy on analytics the ownership all that Hey, the way this hire went down here for the the head coach. Yes I think everybody in football that Jim Schwartz had the inside track to getting that one But yeah, there's something about Todd Munkin There definitely is and that's why you can't judge it just by the look and by the press conference You can't do that We've seen that that's already been proven you know wrong. You can't that's not always true The true picture to your point of what you get in the press conference I mean Bill Bella check he's got a lot more personality than we're on to Cincinnati Right where so he's definitely that I could tell you for years my buddy Kyle Shanahan out in San Francisco I think you saw a totally different person with him at press conferences at time because he didn't want to say anything

6:25And he you know just wants to make sure he says the right thing and doesn't give too much information And is that the real personality of him? No not at all And I think that's a case with a lot of the coaches they get up there They kind of just try to get in the straight and narrow and yeah people would be shocked if they saw these coaches behind the scenes the personalities They have the language they like to use right there's a reason they're a head coach because there's an energy and like to your point Energy or ability to command people be entertaining and people want to listen to you and talk to you when you talk And that's what you know a great catch head coach usually has And some people may wonder why can't a coach just go to the press conference and be that same person There's an obsession with protecting the team you don't want to say anything that's going to be perceived directly or indirectly As throwing anyone under the bus as introducing a subject that could

7:27Send the locker room off killed her a little bit and that desire to protect the team sometimes will cause a coach And I think Bella check is the prime example of this to just shut down and say nothing Because he wants there to be zero risk of anything Being said at the press conference that could in any way Undermind the best interest of the team of the players and create issues with his primary job His primary job is not talking to the media. It's a key part of it and Your ability to communicate in that setting could be crucial We've seen guys talk their way out of jobs with not great press conferences Gerard Mayo In part Set the stage. I think for one and done three and 14 record or four and 13 whatever it was bad bad Let's just go with bad that didn't help But as that season 2024 was unfolding and there were different Press conference performances and it's like man, that's not ideal. Yeah, that's right

8:29I do in the air and gland the whole My superpower is defensive play calling. I mean He got dragged all over the place for that and for good reason He wasn't the play call last year telling fired Steve Wilkes. Yes, right. Yeah, you're exactly right I mean, and that's what sometimes you say things like that and your personality gets used against you You know, that's my superpower. Hey cool. That is but yes that opens it up now for Well, why the hell wouldn't you've used your superpower last year Superman wait you didn't want to fly last year Superman Superman you're not flying. You're not flying Superman. You can fly. Oh you but Superman That's your superpower fly like go and take off. I mean, yes So you know, that's one of my pet peeves right there when when coaches don't call You know the defense offense whatever they were brought to town to do But but yeah, all these are reasons why a coach just can be a little guarded in the press conference at times Faster than a speeding bullet when I feel like it

9:29I'll let somebody else do it I'm not in the mood today. Okay to be faster than the speeding bullet or To leap tall buildings in a single bound no me neither whatever else was at the outset of the Superman TV show what was it faster than a speeding bullet able to leap tall buildings in a single bound I think there's more yeah, there is there definitely is I don't know it something like that right That's you know, that's more your generation there like I kind of know it right But I got to hear it again to kind of spark the memory in my brain there. That's it's a little little before my time there that one Better dial back the age comments buddy. I noticed last week for the first time with you for three straight days right You're starting to feel old So I can sit back and I can say yeah, let's see how somebody else Who enjoyed calling everybody else old is gonna go through this transition now that he's on the wrong side of 45 Which means the inevitable creeps to 50 not happen. I saw Morgan Freeman this week and he's you know

10:33I get in close to 80 he might be 80 and they said what's the key to stay in young and he goes Well, I took advice from Clint Eastwood and of course Clint Eastwood. I don't know he looks like he's a hundred But he's still walking around making movies. I'm sure he's 90 something at this point But his advice to Morgan Freeman was I never let the old man in right he never let him in right So he just he never thought about that. I'm young. I'm dumb. I'm stupid here. Right come I'm just gonna be that guy. I'm so I'm going down like that Mike. I'm never gonna let the old man in Clint Eastwood is 95. Okay. Are you ready? Are you sitting down? I know you are yes Morgan Freeman's 88 damn he's 88 so it's working. Whoa, it is working. That's good advice. See I'm taking that right there man I thought Morgan Freeman you were gonna tell me he was like 82. I did not realize he was 88 incredible wow That's that is amazing Hey, here's an old man observation and this will blow the kids minds because most of the kids out there are familiar with Morgan Freeman In one form or fashion. He's been around forever

11:37First time I ever saw Morgan Freeman He was a cast member on a PBS show called the electric company Which was like an educational thing for kids older than Sesame Street. It was more like teenagers Not quite that far. No, if you're watching the electric company is a teenager you you you failed a few rates So maybe you did But it was one of those things that was always the fun day in school for whatever reason It was in the lesson plan. Oh, they let you watch that and yeah, maybe maybe the reason was Teacher needs to break from these little assholes. Maybe that was the right that was the line item in the lesson plan for the day But there was a TV the old school cathode ray tube TV on a cart and the cart gets rolled out Turn the lights off plug in the TV Usually it was black and white because you know the budget didn't because you're old and that's what TV lights black and white

12:39Well, we did have we did have color TV technology at the time. It's just hard to justify your own budgets catholic school You know it's supported by parishioner donations and low-end tuition, but up On came the TV and Morgan Freeman on the electric That's cool. I think I have seen clips of that before where I've seen him as you know a younger man That from my my version of that was reading rainbow. Do you remember reading rainbow? It well that was our version of our burden. Yes, exactly right. He on like I still believe it was Tuesdays We knew at Tuesdays at like 10 o'clock in elementary school nose class They're gonna wheel them in the TV color one though a few years later Watch it and we were gonna watch reading rainbow. That was like your little like cheat once a week to go Man awesome. We don't have to learn anything. We could just sit back and watch the TV for a little bit So that that was my version there Well a little extra information that Gary his track down Freeman

13:41Arrived on the electric company in 1971 to get him financial stability and recognition among American audiences His work on the show was tiring. So he quit in 1975 TV producer Joan Gans Cooney said Freeman Loved Appearing on the electric company. That's incredible. It was a very unhappy period in his life He later acknowledged he does not think about the show But he was grateful to have been a part of it and there he is from the electric company That's amazing and you know when you identify someone like that from a show that you watched as you're escaped from having to sit there and do school work I remember like rooting for Morgan Freeman to become a star like hey, I know him. It's the Leonardo DiCaprio Get fire you pointed the TV. Hey, there's my guy from the electric company go man go But you know, he had the talent too. It's not like he needed a bunch of things to fault his way Great voice great skills in so many things favorite role. Obviously for me Shawshank he's done many many things many many things

14:44But I think of him first as Shawshank. Yeah, it's hard not I think that's that's probably what I think of him first too as well I think you're right I think that's the first one that comes in my mind But his voice comes along with that his voice is incredible narrating the course that movie and other things commercials Wildlife documentaries all of it. I mean one of the great voices of all time Man if Morgan Freeman trips over the show today He may want to check and make sure he hasn't died Right like we're going down this Morgan Freeman rabbit hole keep going Morgan 88 and keep going and don't let it slow you down You know, I used to be of a mind that I was fine with getting to 80 my plan was to get a Ferrari I've got it ravine down behind the house Create like an evil carnival snake river canyon ramp and just launch that thing and just call it quits it 80 on the dot, but You see people who are functioning at a high level deep into their 80s and beyond I don't know what the secret to it is

15:45but Let's give it a shot baby. I'll be let's see when I'm 90 You'll be 75 and I'll be laughing my ass off because you'll be like oh this hurts. Oh, where's my spleen? Oh Yeah, no, don't worry. I'll be allowed to strap you into that Ferrari and driven it off the club and strapped you in there locked in there and driven that thing off the clip for you So don't worry Thanks you're all right You can tell that we spent way much way too much time working last week somebody asked me on Friday night a coach Wanted to know if there was any of the prospects that I found particularly impressive and I said I don't really know because we can no time to process these interviews one ends here comes the next one One ends here comes the next one and it's one after another after another and just a few little things like stand out a few different Moments stand out Carnell Tate and his Lego story The guy that's the elite level baker and I can't remember his name without looking it up Denzel Boston

16:49I believe that was from Washington, right the receiver was it not him Yeah, yes, I think it was and then there was the the kid The kid who was extremely personable and he it told the story about how he used to play fortnight all the time and his his older brother eventually dragged him to the gym You know you've got potential to be great, but you got to develop it and he credits that moment with where he now is who was he do you remember that that I know It was it was receiver right was that Jordan Tyson that might have been Jordan Tyson maybe I believe so right yes All right, I'm trying but you're right. It is it was it was impressive. It was impressive. It's fun, but it's it's a whirlwind as we know I need to go back and watch them all that's what I told the coach I have to go back and watch every one of them to refresh my memory on who said what and who they are and what their draft stock is I mean we had some guys who are going to go in the top 10 top 20 top 32 we had guys who may be mid-round But most summer guys who are going to be gonna be

17:51picked earlier than later in the process and if you go to YouTube and you type in the search bar NFL on NBC The page comes up and you can find there's a pro football talk thing And you click it and it's got one but one they're all just one after another you can see all the interviews We did 40 in four days, which seems like a lot But ain't as many as last year. No last year but never 60 last year What whatever yeah, whatever it was this year. I think multiply it by 50% and it was 60 now. I think what's gonna happen Because last year We we let it get out of balance. We had too many coaches and GMs At the combine and it was harder to get them at the league meetings This year we kind of held back a little bit For Indy and I have a feeling that It's gonna be one after another When I reluctantly go to Arizona. You're very excited. I think about going to Arizona

18:52I would love to stay home until the start of the season and beyond But I have a feeling we're gonna be going to Arizona In less than four weeks. All right. Well, it'll be I'll be ready I need some warm weather at that time, but yeah, I do like one of the owners meeting I do like that I do think it's one more chance to get in front of the coaches and the GMs and yes, talk to them on TV But talk to them not on the TV as well and There's a number of those guys as you know that we we talked to we communicate We have our own friends there and you don't only only get a few chances like a year to see them face to face and have that time that way So that's where I find it valuable Not only for you know friendships and stuff like that But for my own job and work and and everything that way as well So that's where I kind of I find it, you know, pretty beneficial beneficial to be there But the combine itself is an interesting experience We saw a lot of kids do some big-time things. We had the fastest combine ever Right we talked about that a little bit before the show came on which is kind of crazy because I sit there

19:56And I go I didn't feel like the fastest ever it didn't feel like we had a ton of four twos and stuff like that But at the same time and I think you heard me say this and I think your mind's kind of in the right place here as well These kids have become so good and the training has become so good at the 40 and everything about it That running 447 and now is almost like oh, okay big deal no no big deal. Oh 447 You know, they've got it down to a science the training if you got just you know This a certain amount of athletic ability and explosion about you and your physical makeup We're seeing more times than not with the right diet the right training the right trainer to teach you the tricks of the race That we can see a certain position groups where at certain points during the day last Db's receivers. It was just like oh Rich Eisen it was like 447. Oh, yeah, four four five. Oh, big deal four four eight big deal big deal And you know, that's where we are so it's funny that's the fastest ever

20:59But it didn't really feel like that to me sitting back and watching it for most of the weekend Yeah, cuz what happens is when the football season ends for the guys who are heading to the draft They immediately go to a facility where All they focus on is the combine events They're being trained to go to Indianapolis or their pro day where it's the same thing It's just in a more favorable setting sometimes on a faster track and the scouts will adjust the measured times Accordingly the time may look good when it shows up on your phone But the scouts know when to add a point oh five or even a point one to a guy's speed on a faster surface at his preferred Location for his pro day, but it's all about getting yourself ready for the combine events for the pro day workouts And then you start hopscotching for the best Prospects all across the country for the visits where every team can bring in up to 30 guys

22:00And then there's a concern that you get a bunch of guys who after the draft when you show up for the rookie mini camp to kind of out of shape Because they went straight from football season yeah to combine prep season right to let's go do all these face-to-face job interviews And not get the kind of exercise we ordinarily do season to all right now We're gonna have NFL practice and you're gonna have guys who are puking on their shoes definitely Well, you see that because it because they've worked so hard There was no offseason and when college the training just as you explain it goes to the combine Combines over keep getting ready because you're gonna have a pro day in the next three to four weeks at some point Keep getting ready there that gets over you could take a deep breath and go oh, okay Wait, I don't have to grind and work out every day which shouldn't be the case But you're exactly right because now you go visit everybody and you take 20 to 30 days off And then all of a sudden you get drafted and then that teams like hey we'll see you here in two days and some of those teams

23:01Have a rookie mini camp or something within the first five days after the draft at times in that first week If not an OTA's following up and with what you're saying too, that's why we see It feels like every year we have a few people a few rookies who go to OTA's and they have to be held out Because they had tightness in their hamstring or tightness in their quad or something like that Because to you and everything you're saying they trained really hard to get ready for the draft and everything there But then took a little break and now it's like hey wait wait you you wouldn't have taken a break if you were in college And we were getting ready to practice or if you were in the NFL We were sitting here training getting ready for OTA's and they have to kind of gear themselves up and get going And that's gonna be one of them, you know, one of the tricks of the trade stay in shape during the visits Don't let off that's gonna be one of the tricks for your NFL career You can't really ever let off a week here a few days here But man if you think you're gonna make it in the NFL and just have periods of time where you're gonna make

24:02Oh, I'm not doing anything for six or seven weeks Not well your career's not gonna last as long as it should if that's the case and and hopefully these are lessons These guys can learn as they go forward here The one example that always comes to mind when I think about that showing up for your first Rookie practice and you're not in ideal shape the late Joe McKnight 2010 when he showed up for the Jets and I found the story Throwing up on the field calves cramps struggle through the first two days He just wasn't in the kind of condition. He needed to be in because they don't have a break-in period They throw you into it and they expect you to go out and perform and I also think some of the coaches Get a kick out of guys getting that rude awakening to your point You can't light yourself ever slip out of shape. This isn't like the 70s where guys Went home after the last game worked other jobs and then showed up after Chained smoking marbles drinking booze for six months and they needed an extra long training camp and an extra long preseason to get themselves in shape for the first game and you know

25:11even if The rash of impressive 40 times is the result of guys Getting the right training. Yeah paying for it Learning every little thing to carve a hundredth here and a hundred there and a hundred there right the correlation is If you look at it is very task and goal oriented he had Something that he was trying to do. He figured out how to do it He did all the things necessary to get to the desired outcome and he succeeded. Yes, and that's transferable I remember when they used to do the wonderlick test and And there were certain agents who knew certain executives who would allow them to get their hands On the six different versions of the wonderlick test And the agents would give those to their players so they'd be ready for the wonderlick test and it was like

26:16Oh, can you believe this is happening and I had somebody with a team say hey If a player can take six versions of this test yeah and show up right and answer all the questions right Yeah, as to one of the six versions. Yes, he can learn a playbook. That's right. That's right That's that's life right there exactly right that that's all they want to see And then you're obviously putting in the work behind the scene That's that's part of the whole litmus test of what you're talking about here So those are all positives for the NFL and and how they view that and you're right to combine and everything we've talked about Yes, it's it's also part of that conversation Let's see how ready he is for this moment. How important is it to him? How is he prepared? Mentally with questions at the board is he able to handle that but then of course the physical aspect and everything that goes along with The workout and everything there and yeah, we're seeing really I in my time just working with you In the last seven years. I feel like we've seen a transition of these kids getting better and better at all of this stuff

27:21We talked about on Friday or Thursday how the kids are just more wide open and you know There was a time three or four years ago where they were guarded and it was just gonna be yes, sir And we're gonna barely answer the question and not say anything so nothing else can be you know Expanded on and they've they've they've grown in that department too Well their ability to show personality and still say the right thing and not say anything controversial so Impressive and of course the combine itself was impressive and there was a lot of guys that were impressive We saw the all the dns they were impressive in person I still think that ultimately they were the stars of the show the weekend and the front seven I think we'll continue to be the most talked about thing in this draft so that's cool I mean we got all these guys. Of course we got you know The Ohio State crew right here to lead it We got the story of the styles family sunny styles and Lorenzo styles holy freak of nature brothers We had that that was incredible Jeremiah love showing that he's a freak of nature and that he's worthy of being one of the top picks in the draft at the running back position

28:26We had ties Simpson look at really good Damn tailing green from Arkansas did things that we've seen DK Metcalf and Megatron do with the damn combine Paying quarterback. So that was incredible to see as well Been there was a lot of good stuff There really was and I think we got a lot of talking points and things to talk about here Not only now, but for the next few weeks when it pertains to the draft Danny You know the measure bulls it reminds me of another Arkansas quarterback from 20 years ago Who became a first-round pick and it was a stunner? Yeah when it happened right first-round pick in the Jaguar Do you remember his name oh well? I I You know Matt Jones right and Matt Jones I used to work out with him So and here's the funny story because he came up here to Jersey and trained in the place I trained at Which is a place that a lot of guys in the combine and the NFL still work out and he was a he was a freak of nature in his own right But also within that and you're gonna like this story just real quick as we go through this But yes, he tailing green does remind you same body type right has athletic athleticism that you'd go

29:31That's receiver athleticism let you know let alone quarterback But tailing greens a quarterback and and he does some things at quarterback where you go Oh, that's pretty good. There's something there Let's see what we can make this kid as we go But here's one that you're gonna love all right just real quick on Matt Jones because yes It's rare to have You know a white guy quarterback that goes to the combine and runs four three and jumps through The roof and does that that's rare. I mean that's just to say it it is But we the five ten five and I'm already in the NFL But I'm coming home the train in the offseason a little bit and they're like we found a new trick on the five ten five at the place I train at and our the place I trained at already had like you know The fastest five ten five people ever at the combine Tim Dwight from Iowa right he trained at my place Remember him was there white lightning return the kick get for the Falcons against the Broncos and the Super Bowl So he was there, but Matt Jones was oh you had to put the poker on him a little bit like hey come on Let's work out today. Let's go. Let's go and he ran the five ten five one time and never really stood up

30:36Just stayed crouched over and like low to the ground and I can remember the trainer and everybody looking I'm going what and then we look at the clock and he ran like an incredible time And it became a little bit hit like a thing with Well stay low like Matt Jones don't hit the ground and then pop back up and run fast, right Kind of stay low the whole time He did it unintentionally almost being somewhat lazy with the drill But stumbled up upon something to where it's the way it gets taught now in most places when they talk about the five dead five Just thought that was a funny story. That is a good story. That's a that's a Todd Munkin level Jason Garrett level story Jason Garrett's always got a good story to that. That is a good story And he was the 21st pick Matt Jones was in 2005 and just never 2000 but you go back and look at the first round of 2005 other than O'Aaron Rogers There's a lot of swings and misses in the first round of the 2005 draft and I was talking to somebody about this yesterday because

31:37and Cadillac trying to suspend I tried to like I don't like to bother me anymore That all the coverage is about how great this guy is going to be in the NFL Because it's part of their moment let them enjoy their night reality will arrive later The reality is half of the guys who go on the first night of the draft are probably not going to work out for a variety of reasons Maybe it's a bad fit Maybe they weren't willing to put in the time maybe being a first round pick was detrimental to them because they felt more entitled Than motivated moving forward for plenty guys. It's better to fall around two or three Because then you got a chip on your shoulder and you're more determined to prove that you should have been drafted higher And it shows in everything you do and it culminates in great performances on the field but That year it was bad and if you go back and look here by year I mean there are names that are just glaring. It's like oh my god What what happened there and you just don't you don't know you don't find out with any of these guys

32:40And that's the thing we're we're as Jerry Jones would say you're circumcising a mosquito from round one to round two to round three These are all guys who are going to get a chance to shine in the NFL They're going to get a fair opportunity. It's a meritocracy once they're all thrown in the blender There are some political realities where what we did use the first round pick on this guy We bet even though the seventh rounder is better We probably should keep the first rounder on the roster because we're going to look like more on course If you cut the first round right but still when it comes to playing time It's all merit-based or you're going to lose your job You can't just continue to force you know j. J. McCarty onto the field without getting yourself fired at some point Because you need to be willing to admit we just got this wrong and it's okay to admit you got it wrong Now they don't want to admit it to their owner and that's the thing about these These draft picks They act like before they're used That each one is a million dollar winning lottery ticket Even though history tells us when it's time to go scratch

33:43You're getting Bubkas far more off and then you're getting the million bucks But until you use it you have to regard it as the one that could become yeah The next great thing that transforms your career like Patrick Mahomes did exactly for bread veech You can't just sit you get that one you get that one guy out of the class that one or two or three guys out of the class It's on track for Canton and you secured your future for the next five six ten years But yeah, there's just so many variables right there's so many things that go into it There's all those famous stories of like GM's going you know the furt the most nervous day of the year was The first OTA you went out there with all the rookies and the veterans to go like man I I hope my first rounder looks better than my third and fourth rounder right there's like all those stories where That's how the GM feels as he walks out in the field the first time And yeah, the draft isn't on exact science. I mean, it's humans and we know humans are not exact I mean, so so yeah, and with all that variables as far as the human makeup the physical makeup

34:43Put them in a new place new environment Kenny handle it all of that That all kind of starts to you know float to the top there when you when you get on a football team and can you handle it? And of course the draft itself The first round can go either way It can go wait team takes a chance on a guy because they see oh wait There's some issues, but he does this one thing. It's such an elite level We're gonna take a chance on him and we think we can fix all the other things so that can lead to a bust or it can lead to You know as we've seen the last two years and we've heard this from other teams they get into the conversation of Maybe we're not looking for that guy all the time We're looking for the good all-around player that loves the sport that we can trust It's gonna work hard. It's more about the high character So yes that and pick might work out But at times they're gonna get outshined by second and third rounders where people were like man That guy was a freak in the second or third round But he had a few issues. He had one feel off the field issue So he didn't you know, we didn't want it

35:44We didn't trust to pick him and pick 18 in the first round That just was too risky and so that's where it seems all over the place at times That's why sometimes we have third rounders that look better than the the 15 pick of the draft Sometimes we have a bust at number seven pick of the draft because you took a chance on something elite He did and that's where it's awesome That's why it's awesome because you just don't know like you said you might get Michael Parsons You might get LT and then you might get some bust that's not in the league three years after you draft them To put a button on the tail and green matte Jones conversation. Yeah, that had a 437 in the 40 Green ran the 40 436 Michael vick 433 so they are Dangerous and close to one of the fastest most explosive quarterbacks we've ever seen and by the way Tim Dwight was part of the trade package From the Falcons to the Chargers that resulted in the Chargers sending the first overall pick to Atlanta that became

36:48Michael vick in 2000 Did Michael vick run at the combine right? Did he run at the combine? I don't remember him running I don't know if he did all I know is 433 is the number that comes up Google AI tells me 433 I know I don't think I don't think I really I think he was ever put to the test I think he was one that never really ran because everybody was like but every field is on he's the fastest so hey Yeah, I overview on Google says Michael vicks 2001 NFL combined performances legendary Featuring a blazing record setting 434 Yeah, anytime I see anything I generated. I'm like, please let it be wrong Please let it be wrong because you know, we're trying to we're trying to win the war with the machines Did you see what I posted yesterday too? And I don't know if we talked about this like there's concern Among coaches and scouts that AI is gonna Supply at some of the well those guy functions. No crap. I had a GM tell me Then you just press a button and you get these reports and it's like this is incredible. Yeah, no that's right thinking right

37:53I don't need this person. I don't need this person. I just got this little box and boom I hit the button and here's where it becomes interesting Because one executive said that from a coaching perspective the most vulnerable Jobs or quality control because think about what quality control does. It's all the it's human AI Yeah, it's exactly right. It's real. I it's go get me this go get me that it's filled filled Running in the spreadsheet exactly right. That's what it is. Yes. Yes. That's what I did and by if you if you get rid of those people like That's the pipeline yes to develop coaches That's the entry level right that's how you find out who's willing to grind and who's willing to work And who loves it enough to sleep in the office and make peanuts right but they can make even less if it's AI It's it's it's it's not funny. It's scary to think of how it's going to completely overhaul our lives No, it is. It's crazy. I mean we're watching it happen right in front of us And what I would say if we get too far down that road Well, it'll just it'll just mess teams up

38:55You know AI sure it's got some benefits But can it really know a guy and know a person and be in a room with them and get the same feel? No Just like analytics AI all right that analytics bullshit all right They we've done. Oh, we're gonna listen to that no matter what no matter what the situation is we're listening to analytics Okay, and that's why a lot of your asses lose and go home because you listen to that you listen to a formula Instead of your gut or what your eyes are seeing on the football field during a Sunday afternoon So there's some beauty to it. Yes, but it's not the end all be all and the human touch the human feel To be able to look into a guy's eyes get a feel for their personality as we talked about last week We saw a bunch of guys that were six three two fifty who were not built the same is AI going to be able to tell me that One guy's ass was bigger his hamstrings are bigger. I don't know. Yeah, maybe maybe We'll see if it gets there then I'll certainly give us this credit for for what it can do there I just think there's a time in the not too distant future when a head coach is on the sidelines

40:01Trying to make a decision about what to do on fourth down He's gonna have Syria or Alexa telling him in his headset what to do It's good not gonna even not gonna be a human voice It's gonna be an AI program that tells him and it will have taken in Every possible factor everything including a snowstorm is coming Because it sure seems like in Denver One side didn't anticipate what was coming later in the game and the other side did and Went and it all comes down to the quality of the AI But you just keep feeding more stuff into it and it takes more into account Chris I could see an AI program that is actively analyzing the patterns during the game just like we see Coaches and players do with tablets. Yeah, there will be a machine learning of the trends During the game and the strategizing could come down to who's got the better machine Yeah, you're right. Well, we'll see where who's got Grock who's got Claude who's gonna work better

41:04What team's gonna be better? I don't know Uh, can we come up with some better names for these things? I mean, maybe it's good Well, I like that when you look up Elon musk on Grock He says he's the most dangerous person in the democracy. He created it And he's telling him him and Donald Trump are the most Threatening people the democracy is kind of hilarious It's like wait you invented this machine and this machine says you're the most dangerous person to the world in democracy You and the president that's crazy. You can't write that you can't make that up honestly Uh, but wait back to the tailing All right, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead Back to the tailing green because I was gonna say something that wasn't gonna be good for anybody All right, go back to tailing. All right, but tailing green back to that what you said with Michael Vic and Matt Jones and all of that I mean not only in the comparisons and what you saw there He's six six. He's 227 He's got 34 inch arms His he could obviously dunk and put the ball between his legs and do like NBA dunk contest stuff the broad jump. I mean he broke the system almost as far as what quarterbacks are expected and

42:10Let's just say this there's stuff you can see on film when you know I'm early where I've only walked like tailing green I watched 30 plays last week just to get a feel my dad had told me a little bit about him a few weeks ago He said watch his tailing green. He's like there's so his good is pretty good and he's he wasn't wrong There's there's some moments of tailing green where you go wow that's top notch now It's not consistent and that's the thing you heard Daniel Jeremiah talk about with his throwing and everything there as well But as we know in the age of all these quarterback gurus and people that can help you throw And that these kids are willing to work and do that and then you have this type of athletic ability behind it Whoo watch out But that was an impressive performance and certainly one that catapulted him into the could he be one of the first three or four quarterbacks off the board now Well That's the question and I'm a big believer in putting your best 11 guys on the field no matter what and when you show me a guy that is that size that

43:10Fast that explosive that dynamic I'm finding a way to make him one of my best 11 guys I want that talent on my team and if he can throw he don't have to be a quarterback full time He can do all sorts of stuff but See what you can do by way of developing the guy into a quarterback It's the billwalsh thing I think I said it last week as it related to one of the quarterback prospects something Peter King always said Bill Walsh's belief was that if if a guy does something once I can coach him to do it all the time right and if you get the right coach working with tail and green Maybe he becomes a franchise quarterback a guy who and it's not apples to apples But you know nobody Well you did most people didn't know the patch of my home is gonna be great Why because for whatever reason he didn't get the coaching sorry cliff Kingsbury didn't get the coaching He needed to become that no brainer. This is the guy husband winner national champion He didn't have that and once they get the NFL

44:11They get access to if they land in the right spot the kind of coaching that can turn them into much better players than they ever were But this is a guy who's Who's got the who's got the goods the question is can those goods be properly shaped and directed into something that will make The kind of difference definitely that makes him one of the better players in the league When you get evaluate him for him. That's what happened with my homes, right? This is where these stupid phrases of he's a winner I'm gonna draft them because he's a winner. I didn't know he did everything Damn last time I checked like Tim Tibo was a winner But there was 20 other all stars on the team. So was it him? I did just him winner. I mean come on That's where we get into he was four and seven His we we should put him back. We should he's not a winner. He can't win the Super Bowl Well, the team matters right and then people look at stats Mike And this is how like I can remember this he had a game against TCU is last year against and that's everybody kept saying to me Well, what about the TCU game? What about the TCU game? I'd go on radio and that's all I ever heard and I'd go

45:13Yeah, I watched the TCU game you could put Superman you could put Peyton Manning and nobody was open like There's one thing to go wait the stats weren't good and people were open everywhere and he missed throws and he missed reads But when you go wait, I watched the game and nobody got more than an inch of separation And he was under pressure and nothing could happen and I don't care who you are. What do you want him to do? He's not Houdini But people looked at that went oh look at that. He's not a winner. He's a Texas tech and look at that game against TCU We only threw for 175 yards. Well, that was all that was there. They had he took advantage of every yard that he could possibly get in that game And that's where people they miss a value at a time especially but the quarterback they draft the team a K.A. I'm drafting Alabama. Look at toa. He's great with all these Superstar lineman that are better than the other team and the receivers that are better than the other team And my defense is better than the team, but it's toa. What? Okay. Yeah. Tell me how that worked out Miami dolphins And that's where we get you know bust at time especially at the quarterback position

46:16Okay, so with Jordan Tyson who is the the guy I was thinking of earlier who was just very Magnetic very electric you can tell he's ready for this moment He's going to be a fan favorite wherever he goes. Yeah, here is Chris from Friday asking Arizona State receiver Jordan Tyson how many reps he will get when it's time To lay flat on the bench very flat can't arch your back got to do it right Bench pressing 225 pounds here's the conversation What are we going to shoot for in the bench press actually because you don't hear receivers go I'm just coming into the bench press often. So what are we shooting for yeah, um I've been like kind of looking at the rules and stuff like that. No, you got to keep your back real flat Strict with it. Yeah, so you might lose a referee compared to your home gym. Yeah, and training. I hit about 27 What wow 27? We're going to shoot for that. That's the right. I just grabbed your right pectoral It didn't feel like a 27 pack. I know that I The knee injury and that's when I got super super strong in arms

47:19Can do it. Let's do the list. So I got real strong in arms for like I needed it to so he's got to put the defensive backs on notice Keep your head on a swivel 27 is a receiver like nobody is coming close to that And here it is And he's pumping them out man and the back the back the back The back Which they should I mean come on, you know who the hell cares. It shouldn't be that strict If you're if you're not counting at home, we know the final number He wanted 27 He got to 26 Does he have one more does he have one more come on? You're gonna get like three more more. Can you do one more? All right, he's pushing about yeah, the arms aren't even wobbly yet, right? He's got He's got man. He's really getting in there That now can he do one more right to say he might be dead now. He's not

48:19Yeah, he was trying to get 27. No, that was 27 way to go. He only got 26 so close But yet so far, but that was that's hey, that's that's that's that's incredible And that's all he did that's the only workout he did at the combine He did the bench press. He wanted to show everybody what he could do 26 is still very impressive There was an episode of Seinfeld where he got heckled While he was doing stand-up So he decided that he was going to show up in the office of the person who heckled him and boo her And I thought of that when I saw that Carson Beck got booed at the scouting combine He got booed at a job interview Imagine that you're going to a job interview and you get booed and that happened because he was the Miami Quarterback in the National Championship game against Indiana and the Indiana fans who are at the Indianapolis Scouting Combine Or still holding a grudge. Hey folks. You won the game right and you don't this isn't all have state Michigan

49:24Indiana and Miami University have played each other in football three times Three times that's it Indiana has played Miami of Ohio Far more often than has played Miami of Florida. So I don't get it I don't get it. I mean because there's a celebratory vibe to the whole thing. This isn't a game It's not competition. There's no reason to boo Carson Beck I just saw that and I thought this is weird man. Well like yeah, this is just bizarre It is I mean, that's the way we are a little in sports unfortunately right now and and you know Gary Who's running the show today? He did get my ear and he he reminded me of this and I think this is where it part of it too He didn't shake for Nanda Mendoza's hand after the game As we've seen that that's become a new thing that everybody looks at like how dare in this mess of Everything going crazy and people running all over the field and media and family and there's confetti flying

50:25How dare you don't search out the guy who just beat you in a tough moment for yourself Right, I mean, Sam Donald got dragged a little bit great time when when when when Tom Brady Always avoided Nick falls every time Nick falls kicked his ass like that like it was accidentally I'm not able to go shake his whole hand right beats me in the Super Bowl when he beats me You know Thursday night game bears box. Oh, but that's okay No, I know okay for cars back. That's that's the problem That's exactly right Carson Beck has become a guy that's easy to pile on for anything now Because it didn't end well in Georgia Any through an interception at the end of the national championship game Even though he had one of the best years in college football playing quarterback But yeah, let's get on him more and that's that's what stinks But regardless we got to meet him. He's a fine young man He had a pretty good workout certainly. He's gonna be in the NFL He's gonna have the last lack last last last laugh when it's all said and done But yeah, I was with you when he ran out there on the field and they booed I was like what it took me a few seconds to figure out what the hell was going on there

51:25Yeah, you know you're getting old when you refer to someone in their 20s is a fine young man I know but I was saying it all week. I was going, you know these kids are great These kids are great and I was going damn that that means I'm old I'm calling them kids now like it totally. It's it's official. I'm old Best moment of the week was Texas safety Michael Taff Not recognizing that you were Chris Sims. He was fully aware of who Chris Sims was We've had plenty of moments where some of these guys are too young They don't know who Chris Sims was. They don't know who Phil Sims was Michael Taff was fully equipped with the ability in his brain to know who Chris Sims is and didn't realize That his knowledge is of 20-year-old Chris Sims not sitting next to 45-year-old Chris Sims Yeah, the life finally went on. He was so apologetic. Oh, he was he was embarrassed I felt bad, but yeah, that was that was maybe that that was probably the best the best moment that

52:25That are very bold, you know talking about the substitution and how the linemen are big And they didn't want to slip on the snow those two made me chuckle the most But yeah, Michael Taff was great and he'd probably like damn there's no way that's Chris Sims the quarterback He could be this good at TV and interviewing. He probably just was like this can't be possible The God could be that good at both things and we said that's what I'm telling myself for now That's exactly what I thought so yeah, I'm glad you're in agreement Yeah All right, we didn't take a break. We were telling you no last year Jerry Jones didn't do his annual meeting on his bus with Folks who cover the cowboys this year. He did and he had some interesting things to say As Jerry usually does will make sense of them or at least try to when pft live continues right after this You know