Where does Carter Keiboom fit into the Guardians plans for 2026?

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1:15Welcome back to the Cleveland Baseball Talk podcast. I'm Joe Noga joined by Paul Hoynes. Just a recap something we talked about at the end of Tuesday's podcast. We want to mention the Guardians inviting for Washington Nationals. The first round pick, Carter Kebum, to spring training. They signed Kebum to a minor league deal. Just what can we expect from Kebum this season and where he slots into the spring training sort of competition and mix there? What were the Guardians hoping in signing Kebum and bringing him in? Another right-handed hitter, Joe. He's on a minor league deal. He's former number one pick, as you said of the Nationals. He's coming off a strong season at AAA with the angels. He only played, I think he got called up briefly at the end of the season for three games, but this is a guy that can move around the infield. You can play first base. Can't shoot third. Just another shot in the dark. He has a good pedigree. He's had some good

2:25numbers in the minors. He played parts about four or five seasons with the Nationals and didn't really get on track so far into big leagues. Yeah, he was a first round pick out of high school. It took a little while to develop and coming up with the Nationals. I actually remember seeing him in the futures game when the futures game was played in a progressive field back in 2019, watching him as part of the group there. It just seems like he never really hit that consistency level with the Nationals. A guy who spent last season, basically, at AAA, hitting three-nineteen in the Pacific Coast league, that tells me that he can at least put the bat on the ball, whether or not he's been able to unlock the power potential that there remains to be seen, but versatility. Basically, he swings the bat from the right side of the plate and that's something that the guardians are needing and have been needing for a while. If an opportunity presents itself,

3:25we might see him at some point, get a shot with the big league club. Yeah, no doubt about it. I'm not sure how many options he has left or if he does have any options. He probably does it, I would have mentioned it. I think he's out for sure. He's 38 years old, so it's one of those deals where if he doesn't make the club out of spring training, he could agree to go to AAA and wait for an opportunity or perhaps he becomes a free agent at the end of spring training if he doesn't make the club. But certainly, somebody with some experience, he's not going to get in the way of anybody. He's kind of a non-threatening sign. He's not going to steal at bats from any of their prospects, but he could help them, especially the way vote, mixes and matches. His line up, according to who they're facing on the mound. Yeah, I like the way you put that. He's not going to be sitting there in the clubhouse,

4:26getting in the way of the development of a guy like a Kalman Zardo. He's not going to get in the head of a guy like Kalman Zardo, who's not going to have to look over his shoulder at a more veteran player like Kibum and think, what was this guy going to take away at bats or take opportunities away from me? They sort of not only want to clear the runway physically, they kind of want to clear the runway mentally for Kalman Zardo as well. So keep him in a good head space in terms of, you're the guy, you're who they want at first base and DH and in that role. And like you said, non-threatening signing, I like that. You know, Holmes, it's sort of really describes the way that this could work out for the Guardians, but a really good insurance policy, just in case something goes terribly wrong. Yeah, Stuart Fairchild is the other right-handed hitter. They've signed and invited a camp out of my league deal. He's an outfielder, booms an infielder, you know, it kind of makes sense that both these guys are in the same boat,

5:30and I'm sure could help them if they, you know, either make the club out of camp or agree to go down and wait for a chance at Tripoli. I can't wait for him. He's first home run call from Carter Kimum just to hear what he comes up with, but could be an interesting summer. Who knows? All right, you know, big big news out of Kansas City this week as the royals have announced that they are going to move their outfield fences in at Kaufman Stadium for this season. It's been quite a while since they've adjusted the fences there at the ballpark, which plays as one of the notoriously most difficult home run ballparks in all of baseball. The numbers offensively are really good there because it's a big outfield and the gaps and the power alleys are the places where a lot of triples and doubles happen, but it's hard for players to hit home runs

6:31there. It has been, and when you've got a lineup that features guys like Bobby Witt Jr., and Vinnie Paschmitino, Jack Caglione, you're going to want to give these guys every opportunity. This goes back to the debate that we had last season with Baltimore moving their fences for the third time in four years or however many times it was. And I remember I used the line in discussing this and I said, you know, ballparks aren't made to be transformers. They aren't made to shift shapes every other year or look different, you know, you build the park, you set up the dimensions and that's how you should play. This just seems like you're overcompensating for something. Hoisi, what did you think when you heard Kansas City was moving in the fences at Kaufman Stadium? Well, too. I wasn't really surprised because they finished last in the American League and run scored last year with, I should say, at home, 301 runs at home. As you know, as you said, they still hit for a decent banning average, 249, you know, but they only hit 70 home runs at home,

7:38ranking 27th in the big leagues. And, you know, overall, overall, you know, for the season, they had trouble scoring runs just as the Guardians had trouble scoring runs. You know, as far as left-handed, power hitting goes to Kaufman Stadium. It's really a tough ballpark for left-handed power hitters and Vinnie Pasquatino hit 32 there last year, but their number one pick, Jack Caglioni struggled pretty much when he got his, you know, a couple shots at the big leagues last season. So I'm sure they're moving, you know, they're doing that with that in mind and they've it sounds like they've made a decision that, you know, they have a pretty good pitching staff and that they, that they, you know, the front office has made a decision. This will help the offense more than it will hurt their pitching staff. You know, offense, I guess, wins in this, in this situation, but we'll have to see how it unfolds. It doesn't sound like

8:41children are making a really big moves. They're moving the fence at the corners. They're moving the fence in nine feet and in the center field alleys, they're moving it in 10 feet. You know, in the alleys, that's probably significant. It sounds like they're lowering the walls as well a little bit. Yeah, the walls there were I think over 10 feet high and I think they're lowering them to like eight and a half feet or something in that range. You're going to see more home runs at Kaufman Stadium. It should be a significant number of more home runs. I just, you know, you know, when Vinny Pasquantino hits a home run, they're generally no doubters. I mean, these are, these are home runs that will be home runs in 30 out of 30 ball parks. And you can, you can check that on, on baseball, Savon on Statcast. It tells you pretty instantly when, when a ball is hit out of a park, how many, you know, ball parks that would have gone out in. And, you know, Kageleon and Pasquantino and Bobby Witt for the most part are guys that hit no doubt

9:43home runs that would have gone out anywhere. I think this is going to help guys like Mike Helgarcia, you know, don't forget Sal Perez. He's the Perez we've seen him hit, you know, 400 home runs against the Guardians. How many times? But it's going to help the rest of the roster, I think. The guys at the top are always going to get theirs, you know, how many times you sit there and think a ball hits off the top of a 10 foot wall in the, in the, the alley at Kaufman Stadium and you're thinking, wow, that would have been a home run anywhere. It's interesting. You bring up their, their pitching staff and how this is going to affect them. It does this make the royals a more attractive destination for an offensive player as a free agent. Does this make the royals a less attractive destination? But does this make them sort of like the Rockies where pitchers don't want to go there because their numbers are going to be skewed? Yeah, I'm an interesting point. You know, Kaufman Stadium has always been, to me, a pitcher-friendly stadium, a hard, a hard place to drive the ball out of. But, you know, and, but it, it, you know, it kind of, the compensation is that

10:50it's a big outfield. And as you said before, it's a place where that always seems to lead the league in triples. You know, you hit it down the line, get it in the corners, you know, it seems like it. That in a, a America park seemed to manufacture triples. So it's interesting, Joe. And I think, you know, and another factor is, you know, how long are they going to be at Kaufman Stadium? Exactly. It sounds like they want to build a new town. You know, there, there, I know, you know, the ownership is pushing for a new downtown ballpark. So who knows if, if this will have any last thing effect on who and what kind of free agents they can attract to Kansas City? It could be years, though, before they, they actually get, uh, and then move out of Kaufman stadiums. You got to play for now, I guess. All of that, uh, that sort of line of thinking made me think of Wang Gonzalez and, uh, Detroit and America and how, you know, he didn't want to stay there

11:51as a free agent, uh, because, uh, you know, he couldn't, you know, he didn't think he could help hit home runs there. And you know, they eventually wound up moving in the fences at America as well. Joe, I'm just, and why don't they, are they ever moving fences, especially the left field wall at progressive field? That's a little harder than moving a fence, don't you? Yeah, I think just structurally that that would require a lot more than the ballpark renovations that they did. You forget, changes at progressive field aren't going to come from moving the fences in. They'll just open up more of the upper deck for the, uh, the wind tunnel to push home runs out that way. Yeah, because isn't that the, uh, the prevailing thought of all the home runs from 2024 that they hit in the first four months of the season were aided by wind, right? I got to, I got to believe that again, that's obviously a joke. I don't, I don't want Chris Anthony, uh, you know, sending a text saying, hey, I thought we covered this. Oh, you know, with the wind study. It had hitters. That's why I would leave it as so many left handed inners because they don't

12:55have the kind of, they don't have the right handed power to hit the ball over the wall in, in left field. You know, I'm convinced of that. I saw John Kensington, well, hit a couple of home runs over that wall and they had him. That's the rail, you know, but, you know, you're right. You've got a bunch of lefties. So, you know, it's, it's interesting. It's, but I get, you can't, you can't move that wall. I don't know. It's that would make things a little more difficult, uh, for sure. Uh, hey, Hoynesy, I don't know if you saw, but the Sunday night baseball schedule, Sunday night baseball moving to NBC for the upcoming 2026 season and a couple of days ago, they released the schedule for the season. The Guardians making a couple of appearances on Sunday night baseball this year, definitely going to screw some of our travel plans up because getaway games on Sunday afternoons are always nice. But when you got to stick around at the ballpark, it's kind of a stinker. But for the Guardians themselves, uh, this is great. They're going to play the, the first actual Sunday night game, uh, on NBC. NBC is going to have a double header on

14:00opening day, which is the 26th, uh, and then of March. And then the 29th is the first Sunday night game. They'll be playing at the Mariners of that Sunday night. Yeah. It's, uh, that's kind of exciting. They haven't been on Sunday night baseball for a while. I don't believe. I guess, you know, they're certainly not out in as much as the Yankees and they're the Red Sox. Let's put that. Yeah. And then, you know, I think it'll be good. You're coming out of spring training when you play most of the games that during the day, night game on Sunday. This will get you used to the, get the Guardians use to the season where the, you know, the majority of games are played at night. And it's always a different vibe. It's not like Monday night football, but it is, it is a little, uh, you know, there, you do have like kind of a, maybe, uh, kind of a playoff feel to it. And most of the other teams, they, they've played their Sunday afternoon game, uh, everybody's home sort of watching, getting reset for the upcoming week. It is sort of a different vibe, but, you know, a national showcase and national stage. And they're the,

15:01the two-time defending division champions. They should be on Sunday night baseball a little more, more than maybe once a season. They'll also play, they're also scheduled to play April 12th at, Atlanta on Sunday night. So those two games, you can circle early on the, uh, the calendar early in the season. We get to see Jose Ramirez and, uh, I'll be interested to see what the broadcast crew and what the packages is like that they can put together for NBC that, uh, you know, obviously when, when NBC took over the NFL Sunday night games, uh, years ago and sort of made that into a big production and put their, their best crews on it and, and got the best games, uh, for those featured, uh, night or for that feature at night. I really worked out for NBC. So, uh, you know, maybe that's, uh, going to be the case here, uh, with Sunday night baseball. We'll, we'll certainly see that any chance you get to put Jose Ramirez and, and Steven Kwan out there early in the year and, and let the, uh, the, the, the, the national media get their eyeballs on them and understand

16:05how important they are. I think it's a good thing. And, you know, depending on who's pitching in those games, you, you might get a chance to see Tanner Bible or Gavin Williams step up and, and really have a showcase moment. Yeah, definitely. Uh, you know, and, and ESPN isn't doing it, right? Anymore, right? The Sunday night. No, that was, that was ESPN's, uh, sort of, they, they had Sunday night baseball for years and now with the, the new deal that, that has gone over to NBC. That'll be, yeah, and you, you're right. It'll be interesting to see how they showcase it. I will NBC handles it. So it's just a good moment. And it's even a better moment for the Guardians play. Well, uh, we want to mention, uh, a couple of, uh, you know, player notes that we saw, Eller Beatty, who was, uh, with the Guardians in 2024 early in the season made a few appearances, uh, before getting released, uh, he signs a minor league deal with the, uh, the Cubs. Tyler Beatty, uh, for his brief time with the Guardians in 2024, I had a, a, a major lasting impact, I think, as a veteran guy on that, uh, on that roster, on that team in that clubhouse.

17:10One of the traditions that he started was he bought the championship belt, the, the, the wrestling style belt with the Guardians logo. And it's, uh, still, uh, you know, a tradition that's been carried on by the club by, uh, Austin Hedges. We see him handing out the belt when, when we're in the clubhouse, uh, celebrating a, a Guardians division championship. Uh, right before the champagne sprays, he awards the belt to Stephen Vogue or Brian Roqueo, uh, for their performances or for a special meaning. So Beatty is not around, but the belt lives on. What do you think of, uh, Tyler Beatty trying to stay on with the, uh, I wish him the best, Joe. He's a great guy. Now, you know, he brought that when he was in training camp with the Guardians in, in 2022. He brought, he bought the belt, kind of put it in the clubhouse, checked around with, uh, you kind of the veterans if it was all right. And he said he had, he hadn't got the idea. He had gotten the idea from the, when he played with the Giants, that the Giants did it. And he thought it'd be cool to bring the tradition

18:12over to Cleveland. And it's something that's stuck, Joe. So it's cool. And I wish him the best of luck. Hope he, uh, you know, hooks on with the cups. Nolan Aranado traded from St. Louis to the Arizona Diamondbacks, uh, the big thing there. It might not necessarily be a big surprise that Aranado got traded. It's really how much of the, uh, the, the remaining contract that Aranado is owed that the Cardinals are going to be eating. Yeah, just a huge, a huge, uh, you know, kind of, I guess if the Cardinals were going to trade this guy, they knew they were going to have to, uh, assume, you know, a huge part of this deal from what I read. He's got what they are assuming almost 30 over 30 million of the remaining of Aranados remaining contract that runs for two years and forever in deferred payments. So, uh, you know, just a, uh, you know, Aranado's kind of, you know, on the back end of his career. But that's a heck of a deal for, uh, Arizona. If you

19:12need a third baseman, uh, you know, they're not going to trade a Catel Marte. You know, that's that looks like you know, they're going to be a serious contender in the, in the NL West again. Uh, that's a pretty good move if, if Aranado, you know, has something left in the tank. Yeah. And that, and that's the thing is, you know, what version of Nolan Aranado are you going to get? Are you going to get the guy who was a, uh, a, a, a parental, perennial MVP candidate, uh, for, for several years. And, and always a gold glove or at third base. And, uh, in the last few years in, uh, St. Louis, he, he really hasn't been the same player. So if you're getting that Nolan, Aranado, then yeah, Arizona can contend. Uh, they've got a good young core there. But, uh, you know, it remains to be seen if that's the case with Aranado. The thing that gets me is the the deferred payments and you and I were we're talking here before we started recording and two to three million dollars over the next almost 20 years for aeronauto in deferred payments. That's reaching up into Bobby Bonilla territory I think with these deferrals and it got

20:16me to thinking you know when are you going to see the guardians stepping to the deferred payments arena and maybe offer some of these guys money that you know goes beyond their playing years. Does the word never sound familiar Joe I don't think with this with the Dolan family I don't think they are going to go in for deferred payments I can't I'm trying to remember who the who the last guardians player had had deferred payments and it escapes me right now. And you know you were talking about how there was talk when when they were trying to retain many Ramirez back in the early 2000s that there was an offer for actually more money than what Boston was offering and some of that was in deferred payments but man he didn't want to dance. Yeah he wanted the money up front so but so that was one case where they were willing to do it but you know I they have I don't think there's been any deferred contracts that any contracts sets and that have that have included deferred money here you go if they

21:16want to extend Jose Ramirez for a couple more years coming up but you know make it with the big signing bonus and then some deferred payments that you can keep him on the payroll for the next 20 years or so because he certainly earned it here in Cleveland he would be the the only guy that I would think you would want to extend like that and and have had that sort of loyalty towards all right we've been talking a little bit earlier in this week we saw MLB.com released it's a list of 40 players that we could see in 2026 who are future Hall of Famers and basically it goes by their their war statistic the major league baseball war statistic which is sort of a combination of baseball reference and fan graphs kind of war and a different formula there but it takes the guys who were we could potentially see on the field this year some of these veteran guys are a little older so you know we might not see them for a full season but it all it ranks them in their likelihood of making

22:16the Hall of Fame at some point beyond their playing days the first two guys on the list Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer basically they're you know pushing 40 and their pitchers whether or not they you know pitch a full season or a little bit of this season or whatever we could see see them pitch this this year but both of those guys are pretty much locks to make the Hall of Fame Verlander and 84.3 war Scherzer a 73.5 war talking 6 say on the ward 17 all star selections an MVP in four world series rings between the two of them you got to think both those guys are locks for the Hall of Fame probably first ballot. Yeah I would think so Joe no doubt about it at this point of their career they're they're specialists well they pitch like you kind of give them 15 starts during the season and maybe if you get to the postseason they can fill in you know make two more starts but you're

23:16not going to get 32 starts out of them but they're still they the next sort of tier of players that they they talk about number three number four on the list. Show Hey O'Tani and Juan Soto and these are guys who are pretty much in the primes of their careers and they're unique and nobody is like them in baseball and if they continue on their trajectory that they're on these guys are pretty much locks for the Hall of Fame. I would say if if Juan Soto and show Hey O'Tani never played another game of baseball in their their lives from this moment on both of those guys it's still being the Hall of Fame right now. Boy O'Tani you're talking about maybe the best player ever in baseball right now. He's still he's still a young man. He's still got you know some prime years ahead of him and Soto he's you know just watching him at the plate is is a joy he had he can he can hit for average he can hit he can hit for power he can steal bases just a dangerous guy both yeah definitely future Hall of Famers. Yeah Juan Soto a joy to watch at the plate unless

24:21your Gavin Williams working on an opener with one out in the ninth inning I think all of us would agree with that assessment. Hunter Dad is trying to get him out in what game five of it. You just rip open the wound over and over again. Then the next tier is the one that I'm most interested in I think the Guardian Spans are most interested in these are players five through 14 on the list. We just talked about Nolan Aeronato he's there at 14 they start with Mike Trout and Freddie Freeman. Mike Trout I think you know before he was beset by so many injuries and inconsistent playing time over the last you know several years this guy was on a a rocket ship to the Hall of Fame and now he's they've got him listed fifth there was a time when he would have been the the number one obvious chewing Freeman with his World Series success and you know an MVP you've got Mookie bets you've got Aaron Judge obviously Francisco Lindor ranked number nine on that list I think his last couple of seasons with the Mets sort of have put him up there in that conversation as well

25:27then you've got number 10 Jose Altuve he's got the rings he's got an MVP you know hard to argue there but number 11 Jose Ramirez 57.7 war according to their calculations ranked number 11 ahead of Manny Machado ahead of Bryce Harper ahead of Nolan Aeronato to round out that tier just you know what can we take away from MLB comms assessment of Jose Ramirez being the 11th most likely player in baseball this year ranked in terms of their most likely probability of getting into the Hall of Fame at some point yeah I think they hit it right on the nose Joe I don't know about Jose being the 11th player love you know his ranking but you know he's definitely on a Hall of Fame path right now he's done everything he's he's been for the model of consistency to me on a team that has not really overwhelmed him with support of hitters in front of him and behind him but he still manages to produce big numbers year in and year out you know the best and most consistent

26:34player I've covered in covering the Indians and guardians all right so my question here is given the the 10 players ahead of him on that list is there anyway and anyone you would move him in front of that I that I talked about obviously not Scherzer or Verlander at the top obviously not Otani or Soto on that second tier we're talking Trout Freeman, Mookie Betts Aaron Judge then we get to Francisco Lindor and they've got him ninth and I I get that and then the metrics and the numbers are all very good and and Jose L2 Bay's ahead of him he's won an MVP's won a couple of world series I think there's credibility there with having him ahead of Ramirez in that regard but Lindor is the one that I question if I were doing this ranking and if it weren't being done solely by the the war statistic if it were more of an opinion piece I would put Lindor one behind Ramirez at this point simply because what is Francisco Lindor done in terms of winning an award a winning

27:36a gold glow he's he's won a a gold glove that's that's the only award that he has that you know was voted on and and he's not one a world series to me Ramirez right now I would put one one step ahead of Lindor just based on the number of MVP finishes the number of silver slugger awards uh and and and basically every other voting or opinion piece award that Ramirez has gotten yeah it's an interesting argument Joe definitely and especially since every teammates for what five or six years in Cleveland I had seemed like uh Francisco always got a little more the spotlight than Jose and uh that may be continuing in these rankings but yeah I think when Lindor went to the Metz his first couple years there he struggled there's no doubt about it Ramirez meanwhile was just kept cranking out one great one off star season after another's I don't think you get much of an argument on your on your point of view in Cleveland and not get much of an argument

28:38in New York from Metz fans Francisco does place shortstop uh premier position he's still playing shortstop so you know that that might have gone into MLB's rank I mean to me the difference is Lindor was a first round draft choice a highly touted prospect uh you know rookie and who came up and I was highly anticipated and and made a big splash and had you know a lot of success early and really drove that uh that that sort of success in the uh the the 2016 season and and for the next several years for for Cleveland but Ramirez is the unheralded prospect the the guy they signed out of the Dominican and he he's a self-made sort of player there he did all he put in all the work to to get to where he is to me the only difference between the two of them is Lindor you know chase the big contract and and got what he wanted and Ramirez took a a team friendly deal to to stay

29:39comfortable and staying Cleveland that's that's the difference between the two for me they're both great players both switch hitters both have power I mean it's you know you could separate them with what uh you know you it's hard to separate the two of them I think they're joined at the hip but then maybe they'll go into the Hall of Fame in the same year but you know uh MLB's story says you know names are all these guys that from five to 14 that they're clearly in all getting into Hall of Fame so you know that I think either one of these guys it won't matter when they get in as long as they get in you know you separate they were separated by 15 feet for all of succeeds together playing side by side in Cleveland and uh I think that was some of the best baseball that you know we've we've seen from the left side of a Cleveland infield for a long time so just uh an interesting sort of thought exercise there I I can run through and and name the the rest of the 40 guys that they've they've listed here according to war a Giancarlo Stan at 15

30:42but then they've got guys like Ronald Acunia Bobby Whitt for Nando Tatis you're not an albarez Julio Rodriguez Vladimir Guerrero Gunnar Henderson and Corbin Carroll that gets us to 23 the rest of these guys younger or you know some veteran guys who play positions like Sal Perez who doesn't have a huge war number but all of these guys are worthy of Hall of Fame consideration uh you know certainly to to be in the top 10 or 11 of of that uh makes you one of the best players in all of baseball uh we will continue to track Hall of Fame progress and uh much more Hall of Fame conversation coming up in in the next week or so with uh ballots being revealed actually uh they're less than a week away from finding out who gets into Cooperstown who's going to be riding in the parade with Hoynesy come uh the end of July brush up on uh your uh Carlos Beltran knowledge I think Hoynesy there's a good possibility there maybe Andrew Jones will be riding in the

31:42uh the uh uh the parade behind you everybody's second to Hoynesy on on July 25th uh can't wait for that so we will look forward to that Hoynesy what do you what do you think if I just a straw poll real quick who do you think's getting in this year yeah I think Beltran and Jones get in Joe Beltran was closed last year and Jones has really got an uptick uh over the last couple years so I think both those guys have a great chance of getting 75% of the vote all right well uh we'll keep talking about that progress uh hey tomorrow uh we get to talk to Steven Vult we get to talk to Austin Hedges and Hunter Gattis so looking forward to a little offseason availability here for uh some of our favorite guardians it'll be fun uh you know it's been a quiet quiet off season for the guardians on you know in the in the player acquisition part of the part of the game so it'll be good to get some perspective from those guys I'm afraid that all we'll have to talk about is like offseason engagements and uh uh you know all that kind of stuff with Hunter Gattis and

32:43Kyle Mazzardo and I think Nolan Jones just got married at the other day so a lot of a lot of relationship ship stuff to talk about with these guys tomorrow when we get the chance Hoynesy that's going to wrap up today's edition of the Cleveland baseball talk podcast we'll check in with you again on uh Thursday two good and co-coffee creamers are made with farm fresh cream real milk and contain three grams of sugar per serving that's 40% less than the five grams per serving in leading traditional coffee creamers for a rich delicious experience whether you enjoy your coffee hot cold bold or frothy two good coffee creamers make every sip a good one two good coffee creamers real goodness in every sip find them at your local crogr in the creamer aisle