When Faith Meets the Unexplainable | Real Ghost Stories

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3:12with people of strong faith. Like sometimes I think it's hard for them to sync up paranormal with their belief system. You know, I think that's really hard for some people. But then what happens when something happens, you can't explain. Well, not just that, but the church itself has branches of their doctrine that deals with it. You have people that are exorcists. The church itself says, yeah, there can be these bad things. There can be these other things that are happening. And so what kind of form could that take? Well, I don't know why it couldn't be in the form of a ghost. It doesn't necessarily have to be a possession. So yeah, I'm with you. It seems like it kind of lines up with their beliefs.

4:14But I think that it's interesting to me because there's a lot of talk of spirits in the Bible. But then that's like, that's its own thing. That doesn't happen to regular people. You have to be a special person to have had that happen or see a vision. Well, those people are now saints or on their way to St. Hood. And they've had these experiences that you can't really explain. But it's a special thing that, you know, God has come through them. And therefore they become a saint. So I think it leaves just the regular everyday run-of-the-build mill paranormal experience kind of left out. Well, either, and it kind of is like either your possessor or not. But it seems to me like that we have a lot of people that tell us stories about they went and the priests came to the house and blessed the house, say, you know, did this thing holy water and stuff around the house, chanted, you know, liturgy. So I think that there is room

5:23in there and the church itself says there is. So here is the story. It says, I've been listening to the show for the last couple of months, finally decided I wanted to share my own experience. I usually listen at work or in the car and hearing other people talk about things they can't explain, reminded me of something that happened to me years ago and I still think about it. Before I get into it, it's important to explain the background I grew up with. I was raised Catholic, spent most of my childhood living in a house with my grandparents, my mom, and my siblings. Faith was always a normal part of life for us, church on Sundays, prayers before dinner. So the idea that there are things beyond what we can see wasn't really strange to me growing up. We talked about angels and souls in heaven and all of that. At the same time, we definitely didn't talk about ghosts in the paranormal sense. Nobody in my family would have described themselves as believing in ghosts. If anything strange happened, attitude was usually leave it alone

6:28or not make a big deal out of it. So when I eventually had something happen, I couldn't explain. I kept it to myself for quite a while because I didn't want to sound ridiculous. This happened when I was living in my second apartment. I had moved out on my own for the first time not long before that. I had a roommate who was technically living there with me, but was almost never home because she always stayed at her boyfriend's. So even though the apartment wasn't mine alone, I spent a lot of evenings there by myself. The place itself was completely normal, nothing about it felt creepy or unsettling. It was just a typical apartment in a complex with neighbors on either side and people walking their dogs outside at all hours. I never had any weird feelings about the place when I first moved in. One evening, I came home from work later than usual. I remember it was already dark outside. I was tired enough that I was basically running on autopilot. I dropped my purse in the kitchen, turned on the light over the stove, walked toward the living room where I'd left a lamp on earlier that day. And as I stepped into

7:31the living room, I looked toward the far side of the room and saw someone standing there. It was only for a second, but it was clear enough that my brain immediately registered it as a person, not a shadow from outside or something moving inside my peripheral vision. I saw the shape of someone standing still near the wall like they had been there before I walked in. My first thought was that my roommate must have come home. That was the only explanation that made sense in that moment. And I remember thinking I must not have heard the door when she came in, but almost immediately after that thought crossed my mind, there was nobody there. I just stood there for a few seconds staring at that spot, waiting for my eyes to adjust or for something to make sense, but nothing did. The room looked exactly the same as it always did. The lamp was on. The couch was where it was. There was nobody standing there. I remember feeling confused more than anything. I wasn't panicked. I wasn't fearful like you might expect. It was more that strange sinking feeling

8:35when you know you saw something, but it disappears before you can make sense of it. So I ended up checking the apartment anyway, even though I already knew what I was going to find. My roommate's bedroom door was open. The room was empty. The bathroom was empty. The front door was still locked from when I came in. I told myself I must have been tired or that my eyes were playing tricks on me because of the lighting. For a while after that, I didn't think too much about it, but then over the next couple of weeks, I started noticing small things that were harder to ignore. Like noises, not loud crashes or anything dramatic, just small sounds when I was alone in the apartment. I'd be sitting in the living room and hear something in the kitchen. Once or twice, I heard what sounded like one of the dining chairs moving across the floor. The first few times it happened, I assumed it was coming from another apartment. That's pretty normal when you share walls with people, but sometimes the sounds felt like they were coming from inside my apartment. One night I was lying in bed reading when I heard a quiet scraping sound from the kitchen area,

9:39almost like someone was nudging a chair back into place. So I put my book down and just listen for a minute or two and nothing else happened. I finally got up, walked out there to check, nothing was there. None of these things were dramatic enough to make me think something terrible was happening, but there were strange enough that I started noticing them more and more. I also didn't tell anyone about it because I knew how it would sound. I didn't want my friends thinking I was trying to tell ghost stories or making things up. Eventually it got to the point where I felt like I needed to tell someone just to get it off my chest. The only person I could think of who wouldn't judge me was my grandmother. She had always been the calmest most level-headed person in our family. She was deeply religious, but not the type to jump to conclusions or encourage dramatic thinking. So one weekend when I was visiting her I decided to tell her. Even then I almost didn't say anything, but I remember standing in her kitchen she was doing dishes and trying to

10:39figure out how to bring it up without sounding ridiculous. Finally I just told her something strange had been happening in my apartment. She stopped what she was doing, listened while I explained everything. I told her about seeing someone standing in the living room that night, about the noises I kept hearing when I was alone, about how I didn't know what to make of it. I also told her I didn't believe in the paranormal and I didn't want to make it into something it probably wasn't. When I finished she just dried her hands on a towel and thought about it for a moment then she said something I've never forgotten. She said people forget that the Bible talks about spirits more than we realize and that caught me off guard and she went on to explain that scripture's fuller references to the spiritual world, angels appearing to people, things happening that can't be explained in ordinary ways. But she said those things are always understood within faith. Not something people should go looking for or try to investigate. Then she said sometimes

11:40we see things from the spiritual world too. It doesn't mean it's something to chase or worry about. There was no excitement in her voice, no sense that she thought it was something dramatic. To her it seemed like just another part of the world that most people don't notice or talk about. She told me the most important thing was not to dwell on it or try to assign meaning to every strange thing that happened. Faith acknowledges that there are things we don't fully understand but that doesn't mean we're meant to spend our lives trying to explain them. That conversation actually helped me. I didn't suddenly decide I believed my apartment was haunted or anything like that but hearing or talk about it from that perspective made me stop feeling embarrassed about what I experienced. Eventually the noises stopped happening or at least I stopped noticing them. I moved out of that apartment not long after that never experienced anything like that again. I still don't know what I saw standing in the living room that night. I've thought about it many times over the years and I've never come up with a good explanation.

12:44But I also don't think about it the way people talk about the paranormal either. The way my grandmother explained it stuck with me. There's the world we live in every day and then there's a spiritual side of things that Faith talks about and most of the time we don't see it and maybe we aren't meant to. But once in a while something crosses that line even for just a moment. Sometimes the best thing to do is simply acknowledge it happen and then move on with your life. Thanks again for the show and for giving people a place to share these experiences, Alissa. I kind of like that that the best thing to do is simply acknowledge it happen and then move on. But I think there are also things that are much bigger than that that that's kind of a simple way to deal with it. Well we just this is exactly what we were discussing that it can align with your faith. And so I think that just because your Christian doesn't mean that you won't have experiences in your

13:49life that are unexplained. That can definitely happen. Now the other thing I think is if you're a Christian then maybe that can give you some comfort. You can pray, you can put your worries over here and you know I think it should help you as opposed to just ignoring it. I think too that a lot of people who don't I'm using air quotes believe in the paranormal they kind of go to like it's dark demonic sort of thing. Where I don't think it always is like in in Alissa's case. I don't think that was darker demonic. I just saw I think she happened to see something one day and here in some weird things maybe those were paranormal things. I definitely think her seeing that person was paranormal. Maybe the other things were maybe they weren't. But none of it means that it's dark

14:51and demonic. Right and it could be that this is your guardian angel that happens to be there. At that moment. So I think that we can kind of like I said I think it lines up pretty well with Christianity and I do like the fact that her grandmother says you know you don't have to dwell on it. You don't have to just be flipped out but there are things that we just don't have answers for and they happen. I love that you went to her grandmother who ended up being the perfect person for her to talk to. Yeah and I think she gave her the right advice and in this situation it wasn't necessarily something that she felt threatened by but it was just odd. You know I'm hearing these things that are odd and you know I had that one instance with the figure.

15:53But I think that maybe if she looked back in her life maybe there would at that moment she could look and say you know I did need a guardian spirit right then. Yeah there was a lot going on in my life and now that I look back at it I can see why somebody was there at that time or something or you may just never have an answer. And I also see how illicit could be really confused like what do I do with this? Yeah. And who do I talk to and I don't want to seem crazy. Nobody I know believes in this. Yeah. So I could see where paranormal would be confusing. Yeah. But like the grandmother said it's okay to believe these things are happening to you. You're not going crazy. Grandma was nice and wise. She was. I liked her. Okay well let's go to this phone call. My name is Kathy and I'm got a heck of a ghost story a couple years back.

16:54We were very young and living in California and by the way California did have a law that you had to claim that the house was not right. Anyway we moved in and my husband was a long short trucker. My son was about five months old and it was a beautiful home and he couldn't walk or get out of the crib. He was only five months. I noticed the first week was a lot of noises but I ignored it. My husband was on the road the whole time and I had put the baby down for bed in the nursery and earlier I had gone shopping and I was in the living room watching TV. This was like a week later and I hear the baby gibbering and laughing and making noises. So this is about 11 o'clock. I get up and I go check on him. He's laying in the crib and it looks like this blood all up and down the wall all over him all over the crib and I panicked at

17:58the door. I was so scared and then I thought wait a minute. So I ran over to get him and I realized it had a smell. It was ketchup. The bottle was brand new laying on the floor empty. I went in and picked him up and ran out of the room, washed him up, put him safely in the living room near me and I went and walked over to the fridge. The new bottle of ketchup that afternoon I had gone shopping was the bottle that was laying in his room. I then turned around and went back and sat on the couch with him. Later I took and put him in bed at my in the master bedroom. Well a couple of weeks later I hear footsteps and mumbling and growling and grumbling but I couldn't understand what was going on and it was coming out of the bedroom, the master bedroom. I went in there and I looked around and I could hear people moving and talking. This went on for about four or five days.

19:03One night, oh I guess it was about nine at night, I went in from taking a shower and started towards the bedroom door. I got to the bedroom door and we had a massive fireplace brick one in the bedroom. I looked up and there was a man's shadow on each side of it and they were facing each other. I could see every bit of their outline and they were just roaring at each other and it sounded like just going on and on and I'm just standing there frozen. I'm watching them and suddenly they both went toward each other and you can see their arms come out grabbing each other and they disappeared. This went on one other time a week later and I said that's it. That's it. So I called the manager of the house and he goes, oh you must have been during the no such thing happened there. Nothing like that. You know you're all right. I'll be around to collect the rent. I'll meet you at the door. He never came in the first month. We were there to collect the rent. He stood outside

20:08and then more or less ran door this car after he paid I paid the rent. Anyway, I was a few days later with my husband got home. He said something to me. We had had dinner and he said he wanted something out of the bedroom. I walked in and I was looking around. I spotted what he wanted and I looked up and this guy was standing there with a look on his face like he could kill me and I could see him as clear as I see my husband and he started roaring at me. I turned around and I ran in and I told my husband get the baby leaving. He said, well, I said do it. We got in the car and went to my parents and the next day I called him the owner and I said, what is going on in this house and I told him the whole story and he goes, well, well, and he kept trying to get out of it, talking to me. I said, you better tell me and he says, well, they were two guys in there that were lovers. They killed each other in front of the fireplace over jealousy or something and the booth

21:16that you hear the shoes. That was one of their friends that got so distraught. He's supposedly young himself in the backyard and I said, oh my god, I said, so I was haunted and he goes, well, that's your word against mine, but I'll give you back a few months, Ren. Needless to say, I lived through it and I lived through a second, not on the health too. Thank you so much and I do believe I've had my own experiences and those who laugh it off, maybe their time will come. Thank you so much. Bye. Well, that was a haunted place. Okay, that's the very first hatchup incident. I've never heard of and that was really strange, but could you imagine walking in there and it would take a minute to realize its catch-up? You would think it's blood all over. Well, yeah. I mean, how to- What is that supposed to be? What is that? Some sick, practical paranormal joke?

22:22Like, I don't get that. Yeah. So weird. The other parts I kind of get like, it seems to be this incident is being kind of replayed over and over. The fighting that- I could have like a residual thing, yeah. It doesn't seem like this thing has been resolved in any way, shape or form, and it's just kind of in this loop and happening. The catch-up thing, I don't understand at all, does bizarre. And how old was her kid at that time? I mean- Five months, she said five months. The kid can't bring the catch-up in. No. And even if she was distracted and carried the catch-up to the baby's crib, like, I don't know, that's not- It's five months. He can't get into it. Right. He couldn't even open it, because I could see me like, whoops, did I just carry the catch-up in here? I did. Yeah, but I- I can't see me doing that. No way can the baby open the catch- But the kid can't open it. Exactly. Even like a two-year-old couldn't open a bottle of catch-up. I can hardly open a damn bottle of catch-up.

23:26I know. It's so strange. That was- You know, that one I like- Was that some sick weirdo that came into the house and did something? The other things I understand, but that one I'm like, that is just crazy. I mean, were the- were the guys just super evil, and they are like, now they're messing with her- Or, you know, you don't mess with children and babies. No, but could it be like some- There are all animals. Could it be that something evil is in the house, which is kind of what took over, took them over, and made them do what they did. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, maybe there's something already there? Yeah, but the catch-up thing, that's like a sick, demonic joke. It's not right. And I'm- I mean, I'm sorry about all the other stuff she went through, because that's an incredibly haunted house. But the baby- You just don't mess with babies. I've never heard one

24:31quite like that. I haven't either. Because the two things seem so separate. But then- That's what I said. That's why I said, is this- is the catch-up incident not even related to that? It just seems so different. And like, was there some weird person that snuck into your house and did this? I don't know. That was strange. The other part, yeah, completely haunted. And I even feel like it's just on loop. That stuff. I hate to say it, but I feel like that is different. Didn't she say it then she got her- either her deposit back or her rent back? Yeah, she did. Who does that? It's like nobody ever- it's hard enough getting your dang deposit back, let alone a refund. Yeah. Which seems like somebody's feeling guilty about renting it to a woman whose buyers sell a lot with a young baby. Yeah. And it seemed like the last thing was that she saw a man.

25:39Like, it wasn't even shadow, it wasn't even- it looked like a man. Right? I think so, yeah. The way I understood that. The landlord would never come inside. Yeah. No, I'm going- I, in this instance, I'm going- I hate to say this, but I think they're different. I think the catch-up incident is something different. That feels human. And the other things, I'll feel paranormal. Even then, like, what sick person would go into- I agree. I agree. It doesn't make sense for- I agree with 100% human or ghost. But, you know, there are very bizarre people out there. What there are? I can't- I've never encountered one. Well, if you have a real ghost story, please share it with us. It's 855- 855- 34802 or write it in at real-go-storiesonline.com and become a premium subscriber if you want. It access to the archive, no commercials, advance episodes, sign up through Apple Podcasts,

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