When an Arrogant Suspect Thinks He Got Away With a Horrific Crime

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1:00Craving the coffee flavor you love. But without the caffeine, kachavas got you covered with their newest coffee flavor. This all-in-one nutrition shake delivers bold, authentic flavor, crafted from premium decaffeinated Brazilian beans with 25 grams of protein, six grams of fiber, greens, and so much more. Treat yourself to the flavor and nutrition your body craves. Go to kachava.com and use code news. New customers get 15% off their first order. That's K-A-C-H-A-V-A dot com code news. Welcome to your top true crime hop for the variety and episodes you're looking for. Enjoy. All right, we'll go to the same thing when they came in. Not wanting to come in, but you're free to leave, not harass. Okay. This is really a document that's for people that are in custody and out in custody. But because of the situation, and we do the same thing with the two previous guys, it's all to be interviewed. We do the same thing with you. Okay, we're ready to do your right. Because there's nothing that can be argued down the road. Okay. I don't know on the street. We talked about what we wanted to talk to you. And then you have to see what,

2:00why you say said you wanted to think about your editor. So that causes us to, okay, you're under arrest. But we had to vote for your phone. So we had to do our job and send you underway. No, I just don't know. I just don't know. I'd just like to look right at this. Honestly, that kind of makes me nervous instead of so. Yeah. I understand that. And if people had to have been in, they don't want to go away again, right? If you've been on parole, it would have been different. It would probably have come back any much, you know what I mean. So what I'm going to do is go buy the book. It's going to be a respectful conversation. Okay, my job is not to tell you everything that we know. All right, because it's been two days of cast investigation. All right, so there will be some questions that we want to make sure you're being truthful about. It's the fact that you're back here now. I'm going to get this done right away. It's good for you. All right. And it demonstrates that you want to clear your name as soon as possible. I'm going to move on from this. So, okay, because the bottom line, we have a dead 29 year old girl. And you should go, you also have a dead age, you don't grab dead from all recently, you know what I mean? So we get some to figure out. Okay.

3:02All right. Why could you come in? That the box that are being checked, one by one. Is there any questions you may have for us right now? Um. Yeah, how does she go up to the line? Well, that's part of what we have to do to see if you know. All right. So can you explain to us a little bit about your relationship, how you know or how you guys met? Um, you know, we've got some information from some people already. Make sure that it will, but your account is what they're telling us to neck here. Yeah. Okay. Well, the most part was on and off, you know. She actually, she, she used to do mine with her brother. Okay. That's the way. And Tali. Huh? I'm the same. Who's the same? No. His shot, right? Yeah, his shot. And, um, since then, she's always been a family friend, like she's one of the family. And I got incarcerated and when I got out, I ran into her addiction. My sister's worry. Because I want to stay over here, but maybe.

4:03Okay. And, um, by then, I guess she was comfortable with the board. So she was, you know, the classes were comfortable with the board. And, uh, really, basically, you know, she started, you know, she's very social. She's very nice person. She's always, you know, like, uh, friendly when he's a sheep, who are you talking about? Uh, Bill, please. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, okay. And, um, so we just kind of, you know, kind of went from there, you know, we started talking and everything. And, um, one thing like that, basically, and just kind of, um, and we just kind of went off from there. You know, just kind of on and off. Okay. And, I think she always liked me and I always liked her, you know, and, uh, it just kind of took its, you know, and so by the year ago, you guys met again at the wedding. Yeah. And then, how long do you think until you guys started, like, having a serious relationship? Well, we, we kind of had an agreement because she was in the middle of, uh, divorcing at the time. So we just kind of have like, you know, it was, it was friendly at first, you know, she's

5:07always kind of like someone to talk to, you know, she's always very honest, you know, she's a very intelligent. And, um, she was always trying to kind of help me. You know, she's saying that I just, obviously trying to get my life back and over and everything. And she's always suggesting things for me. And from there, and you just kind of, you know, it wasn't like anything I've read upon, but it just kind of happened, you know, and, uh, I just went from there, really. Okay. Um, do you know when she moved into the house over on Undying Street? Well, I don't know exactly when. I mean, I remember one that I remember exactly one. Okay. Was it during the time you guys were, you know, you should. Well, it was on and off between us, you know, because I, I think we just kind of, uh, you know, both like each other, but it was just kind of, I'm kind of sad. My own mind said, you know, she said, I don't mind saying, you know, just that. Did you have there kind of her, uh, you know, lived there with her at any point? Did you have clothes there? Did you stay here all over there? Yeah, I had some clothes there. Did you get into the place? No. I had a key, but I never had a key. I had a, uh, um, like, you know, she would tell me where she put the key.

6:10Yeah, but I never had a key. Okay. Yeah, but you need more sheep with a key, so she kept her key hidden somewhere. Yeah, like a spare key. I said to her, what do you think was the cause of you guys getting together, bringing them together, bringing them. Was there any hostility that we just, not interested in? You know, I was like, you're sure. Oh, not at all. She wasn't, I don't think she was ready for a relationship. I honestly, I wasn't ready for a relationship because, you know, if I'm being honest, like, you know, and I was seeing another woman at the time too and I think she had a feeling and she wanted me and I wanted her but I don't think she that was wanted to come to be honest and that's really what it was. If she's dealing with, she was going through a divorce and everything like that and she's doing her own thing. So after her divorce was finalized, did that answer you guys' relationship, did it change? Did you guys see each other more often? Yeah, we saw each other. Usually you would be on the days that you didn't have your kids. Okay.

7:10And I would stay over the night every now and then but you know, like I would say we were together for a week and not together for all these three weeks. Okay. You know, because I was kind of talking more on the side to be honest. And she said she was suspicious of that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think you know, she's not a dumb person. You know, she's suspected but she kind of, I think we just kind of, you know, there was a lot of sexual abuse on the people. We both kind of wanted each other. You know, so. Okay, do you remember your kids? Yes. Okay. What about her ex-husband? I had them in once. Okay. All right. Do you know what that was regarding? Yeah, actually, um, some studies. It was, uh, this happened, um, I want to say this year I can't remember the dates excited though. But the show was that, you know, early on this year. And, um, I think she found out that I was seeing other people.

8:12So we're talking about it. And, um, there was really nothing ever said, like set on our relationship, you know, it was basically just kind of like two people, you know, she was always willing. I was always willing and it just happened all the time like that. And, I mean, I noticed I was kind of a critical, you know, but, um, I was seeing other people. And I didn't think she was seeing other people. I was there there. And I found out. And, you know, I noticed, you know, kind of, um, kind of a double standard. You know, kind of annoyed me. And I remember telling her, and I basically contacted her. And I was going to tell them about it. Okay. Yeah. Um, how did you find out that she was eating something else? I actually went to the house. Okay. And, uh, I seen a truck over there. I didn't recognize. And I tried not to know. Nobody answered it. So I just kind of put two until I'm like, you know, I know, I know that both cars are there. It's not, you know. When you were talking to the ex-husband, he said, you told him, what did you tell him that you were in a relationship with her?

9:14No. Well, I just said you discussed it with her. But what was the context of it? It was basically just me to, I think to be honest with you, I think I just kind of wanted to, uh, because for a long time, she kind of, you know, the times he was about about, you know, what kind of seemed like he was the kind of, you know, piece of, you know, and, um, and the story that she told me a while ago, you know, I just, uh, I think it clicked well. I think that's honestly one of the reasons why I wasn't. It wasn't wanted to kind of commit, you know, but, you know, the main reason was I was just, you know, I was without the woman. And I, I don't think I really wanted to commit. But I think it was basically, uh, telling, you know, just to tell him, and, you know, I ended up telling her that too, as well. And you know, people, yeah, you told him, you told him that you said that she was your annual, somewhere else. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I didn't speak with him, but I sent him a text message. I sent him a video, actually, of what some intimate pictures between us. Okay. And that was kind of my way of getting back at her, to be honest with him.

10:16Okay. So, uh, is it fair to say how revenge you sent to dead? Her father sent intimate videos that, but in Maristra, make her. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. When did you send those? Um, I'm not sure. To be honest, uh, was it on the time our conflict at her husband, you know, or that it wasn't within her? I wanted to, you know, get into it. It's okay. When you said that, it was probably this, this calendar year, right? So yeah, I was going to say so. Okay. Yeah. All right. And then what you meant with her husband, who isn't willing to move so correct? Yeah. Okay. You got his number somehow to contact him. Yeah. How did you get his number? I heard his number before from her. Okay. And then so when you, when you reshot down, what was the purpose of that meeting? Um, I was just basically trying to tell him that he was right. Craving the coffee flavor you love, but without the caffeine, Kachava's got you covered with their newest coffee flavor. This all-in-one nutrition shake delivers bold, authentic flavor, crafted from premium,

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12:19Quality nutrition shouldn't be complicated. Just two scoops of Kachava's all-in-one nutrition shake, and you've got 25 grams of protein, 6 grams of fiber, greens, and so much more. Whether you're craving that coffee taste to kickstart your morning ritual, or as a nutrient-packed reward to round out your afternoon, Kachava keeps you fueled and satisfied wherever your day takes you. Plus, it actually tastes delicious. No fillers, no nonsense. Just the good stuff your body craves. And for the times you feel like switching it up, you've got seven flavors to choose from. All with the highest quality ingredients. Treat yourself to the flavor and nutrition your body craves. Go to Kachava.com and use code news. New customers get 15% off their first order. That's K-A-C-H-A-V-A.com code news. You know, and they took care told you before that you used something for entrustments. No, no, no, no. That was the first time I had a reaction. It was my old smoking. Do you have any other telephone application besides that? No. Before you met with them?

13:20No. That was the first time I met them. Where did you meet them at? Walmart. Okay, yeah. So, the two guys agreed to meet on a public place to talk about the fact that that she was shooting at you. And then you knew that you knew that you had nothing to pass with her. I mean, I think you just wanted some confirmation. I think it was... Well, my intuition was to tell them, you know, but if you wanted to meet, you wanted to see what I was talking about. You know, and I also think it was as close to me as close to C.D. Probably thought that she was maybe putting me on to Emma something like that. And I was like, no, it's nothing like that. I just wanted to tell you there, basically, you know. Because I kind of put them in a bad light for a while. You know, because she told me that, you know, what did she tell you about them? Well, basically, you know, music is never trusted already. It wasn't that person. You know, he was... You know, they had some problems. You know, follow the band and whatever. Okay. So, you guys think that each other a lot. It seems like she trusted you. She trusted you.

14:20She trusted you with some intimate details about her plans. Yeah, I would say so. When she described her ex-husband you, do you think that... was he ever abusive to her? Did he ever assault her? Did he give a friend her? Would you ever think that he would be somebody that could be involved? And what's going on today? Honestly, I can't really say that. You know, because I've only had one encounter with him. But basically, not... Based on your... Your discussion with her. Like, she... She, if she was someone that was getting abused, cast the relationship, her abuse, someone that threatened to kill her in the past. Well, that means that she were part of the deal. Yeah. I mean, she told me, you know, who is this never trusted her. Like, he, I guess, he put... GPs on her... on her car. Stuff like that. They got me through argument. I guess... I threatened her with the gun on time, you know. I don't know. I don't know. She specifics up there, but I guess when he, supposedly, he got her cheated. And... But, you know, and I... And that's what I took from him. You know, that's why I just kind of... You know, because she is one of me.

15:20What I'm wanting to do is... Gun Totten? Yeah, I guess, you know. And full of all the place. Like, it's near, you know. And that was his idea too. It's like, you know, what I said. I'll meet you if you want to talk. And he's like, okay, me and you all more. Okay. And I've been in there. But, um... I can't really, you know, just like I like that. He discovered that she was cheating on you with somebody else, right? Yeah. Do you know what that person is? No. Do you have any information on that person? No. I actually... When I went to the house, and I seen that there was a car obviously, I didn't recognize that truck was a... It was a really... a diet trend. And so, I remember taking the license plates. And I had... Did it. And that's where I decided to contact my army. And I told him, this is what's going on. I guess he already, you know. And she, you know, basically... She is like that, whatever. Because I was just... I don't know, but... So, when you went to the house, did you front her off? I mean... Did you... No, no, no. She didn't... In any dialogue? No, not at all.

16:20I knocked on the door. No one opened up. You were... What time was it? It was night time. Yeah. I wanted to say maybe... Yeah, it was night time. You know, 11, 12, maybe. So, I'm like that. And, um... So, that happened. I tried calling her. I just tried calling her. She wouldn't answer it. And, um... So, I called the next morning. And she found the answer. And, basically, like, you know... Don't come to my house like that, you know. Stuff like that. I said, I know what's going on. There's no reason to be honest about it. You know, it's okay. We went in a relationship at the time. But we had been... Kind of like, you know, a lot. Then we would stick together, you know. And then... Sure. So, I'm like that. And, um... And that was it, you know. I basically told it, you know. There was no reason to lie. It is what it is, you know. Because I didn't really have anything to say. Because I was doing my own thing on the side too, you know. I just, you know, totally... There's no reason to lie, you know. I'm sure, you know. I mean, she asked me, and I'm here. Well, I'm doing it. And that's what she said. It's like, there's no way you stay away from me all these weeks. And you're not sleeping with someone else, you know, coming since. And, um... The next morning, the guy, he was here, actually, ended up calling me.

17:22Okay. And, um... Did you get a name? No, he called private. He had to call me private. And, um... I, you know, just talking to me, he's like, you know... Like, I, you know... I'm just like, who's exactly, you know, all this is. And, like, who are you? What's your name? He's like, man, I want to tell you one more night. And, you know, just like, he's like, I'm sorry. You know, he's like, what do you mean? He's like, what do you mean? He's like, what do you mean? You know, she's just a good friend. And, um, having some problems with my family and my wife. And, um, she's just helping me out. You know? And it's actually what she said as well. When I had spoken to her. She's like, he's just a friend, a lot of... Which I didn't believe. And, um... And he was trying to basically, you know... But it pushed her off like there was nothing happening. And I said, be a man. It's okay. Don't matter, man. There's no reason. I, like, you don't know me anything. Just be a man. You know, if you guys did anything, you guys did anything. You know, it's... You know, don't... Talk to me, like, you know, I mean, you basically, you know. And he's like, all right, now we've been sticking together and stuff like that and whatever. I said, it is what it is, you know? It's all it is. It is what it is.

18:22Whatever, you know? Like, competition and over the phone between you and him being a good man for you. No, no, no, no. You don't tell me to get his ass. No, no, no. No, no, no. Nothing like that. He denied it. He denied, like, anything happened at first. But I told him, I said, be on that. You know, just... You know, let's... We were both in here. We know what's going on. There's no reason. He said he was married. He said he was married. And that's why he was supposedly there. I guess they were talking about, uh... His problems. You know, and she was helping him out with that. And, um... Yeah, that was it. He just kind of left the phone. And that's actually why I decided to contact him and I told him what's going on. And he actually thought I was trying to set him up or let me know what you're trying to set him up. But I said, that was not like that. And I said, you know, because, um... I know what's going on. And this is what's going on. And I just felt like... And I told him... And, uh... That was it, you know? He wasn't as trusting as, first of all. You know, I think he believed me. Okay. So, the meaning with Mal, then, it only consisted of you informing him

19:23that she was cheating on you with this guy. Yeah. And then, you were just doing it, not doing it in the past. Yeah. Nothing else? No, I'm not at all. I came up at all. No, actually, he was talking about... Um... We started talking about the kids, because I told him, you know, like, I left his daughters too. You know, they were cute kids. And, uh... That's actually, I think, what can piss him. Because I don't think he wanted to meet me. But I think... I just told him, I said, man, I'll pick that for you. You know what I'm saying? And... So, you mentioned, but... Would you say you... I won't say fatherly figure, but maybe uncle figure, were you that close to him? No, no, no. They always would say, oh, friend, you know, friend, like, that's how... I was... I had to be for the roles. They are. They are. I was acknowledged, basically, but no. Like, I didn't, like, I've only seen something twice, because she was usually a school, you know, the times that I was there, and I've seen that she's a six-year-old. Yeah. And, uh... And, uh... I'm getting on more than, more than a few times. So, they were raindrops, and they had the kids. Did she have not searched nace?

20:24Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it was, like, split. I said it ahead. What day is it she only had a new, do you remember? Honestly, I'm not sure. But, I think they would have searched for me. I think they would have searched for me days. Sometimes, sometimes, I would be down a weekend, and sometimes I couldn't, because she had the kids. So, I don't think it was after you, or you're telling us how, you're having the conversation with the person on the phone, and then, with one of them, and his name was Muhammad X. Yes. I mean, that was, yes, and the feelings for... the keystripe. Me? Yeah. Yeah. Were you low with her? It's hard to say. I've always liked it. I've always liked it. Like I said, like, she did. My brother, when they were just kids. Yeah. And, uh... She was always a cute kid. And, uh... But when I had went to her, um... um... I'm like, this is what it... You know, by then, she was, you know, she was the woman, and she got kids, or everything. I think we just kind of both liked each other.

21:24Sure. And she was always so... receptive, you know. She's always so friendly, and she's so nice. Yeah. I liked that, you know. And, you know, there was, you know, such low attention to them, and I think they just kind of motivated the whole thing. Well, you know, you mentioned the double standard where you were seeing other people. And then, you know... You didn't like the fact that she was also... Yeah, sure, you know. Yeah. I was with them, but then how did it make you feel? No, I just, uh... I mean, you know, I was actually for you, upset about it. Did you think she should be seeing anybody else? No, not at all. It's just the fact that, you know, they didn't know what... I know what's going on then. Obviously, you know, like, okay, there's two cards in there, you know. And, you know, and she, if you still open the door, and I'm like, oh, really? It's not even... That's it. You know, I know what's going on. I'm over here. I'm back to our woman, so... but it's just a fact that she tried, you know, of seeing how okay well... You know, I'm helping, I'm helping... You know, he's having family problems or whatever. And then he says to come here in this morning, and he sent the same thing. I'm like, c'mon, man.

22:24And, you know... and his word it is, you know, just like being mad about it. You know, there's no reason they have� genuine, you know? You know, you know, you didn't know what was going on, there's something going on, that just like, it's not like me and her day, you know, we had to decide. But, like I said, it's been all I know. Skin care experts and dermatologists have often touted the benefits of indoor humidity as essential for healthy, glowing skin. But did you know dry air can start to harm your skin in as little as 30 minutes? For years, many people have relied on humidifiers for better skin, sleep and overall wellness. But traditional models, bulky, mold prone and difficult to maintain. That's where canopy humidifier comes in. Designed by leading dermatologists, canopy is a completely reimagined humidifier designed to elevate any space, offering the ultimate in skin care and wellness benefits. Cannabis clean moisture come that's dryness, dullness and fine lines while strengthening the skin's barrier and boosting the effectiveness of topical skin care products. With its sleek design, canopy is the cleanest and easiest humidifier on the market.

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24:27That's not the first time we've heard that. As you know, she said we've got just several people already. She helps literally everyone that I can think of, you know, like, and honestly this is one of the very times that we kind of had arguments about, said, you're too friendly to start being so friendly, because she's too involved with a lot of people and she actually helped me find my daughter at the time, and because, you know, I have seen my daughter a few years, you know, from being incarcerated, her mother and I had gotten the horse. And I didn't really make an effort, you know, for all the personal reasons, you know, but I hope to see your daughter, to see my daughter, and you see me hanging on like that. I'm going to not promise you, you know, I just, it's a little bit complicated, you know, and so that's what I'm going to do, you know, and you said, look, he's with Durbin something. Yeah, she's like, I guess she knows she, you know, she basically kind of helped out, you know, I think this was she felt like I needed at that time in my life, you know, all the time, I seriously, she was trying to get you, yeah, but she ended up finding her,

25:30she ended up finding her, and talking to her mother and agreeing and all that, and she just kind of surprised me with it, you know, she told me, and you didn't like that, you know? No, I mean, it was, it was a surprise, you know, but like I was expecting it, you know, and she's like, you should talk to her and everything, and, you know, I give a shout, I give a shout, you know, I ended up contacting her mother, she had Bucky's guy, my ex is phone number, and I ended up talking to her, I ended up meeting, and, you know, we tried, we tried it, but I think, and this is just sort of timing, but, you know, like the kid is obviously, she doesn't know me as well, and that's what a life, a life change, you know, it is, it is, you know, I've never really had that feeling, so you weren't like, I'm up for child support, I don't like that, no, no, I don't, yeah, I don't know, they always had full custody, and, you know, I wasn't prison, I really couldn't do anything, but she warned my hero prison, before he went, was she, you know, no, no, no,

26:31she was willing to follow, yeah, she was willing to, yeah, so, yeah, actually, when I got a custody agent, mother was putting it with her, and her, and her, like what's the worst, sir, you know, the most angry ever, she could just, I don't want to say angry, I think she's just, you know, she was annoyed, you know, like she, she, you know, and, uh, was she, was she always, yeah, she was always, but not like, I mean, I don't want to call her an angry person, I don't think she's, you know, I sure could, I know, it's sometimes like, she's talking on the phone with like her ex, or whatever, and it could be about the kids, it could be whatever, and she just gets annoyed, or, you know, things like when she was trying to buy a house, and stuff like that, and, you know, things weren't going well at first, or, um, stuff like that, you know, she gets bothered, but, you know, I think she's, uh, I think she's just like, uh, she's more of a hit, sure, you know, and it kind of helped me out because, you know, to be honest with you, especially from going to prison and coming out and everything, it's just, I wasn't, I don't want to say I was more of a, you know, I was, you know, I was heavier, but I just like, uh, I was definitely

27:33not a risk-taker because I just kind of, not a trusting person, to be honest, and that's all, like you tried to make me more trusting. Okay, so she's pretty much eating kilos as an individual, as a person, she just kept on me. Yeah, I would say so. You ever see her like, uh, depressed or anything like that? Yeah. Yeah. I started that for her. She's, uh, she's always still wanting to deal with other people all the time, that I'm going to think, you know, like even the time that I tell her, I'm going to show other people, tell her like, hey, take it easy, you know, well, she, she doesn't do enough for herself. I feel like, and, you know, she worries about other people more than herself, and, um, they just sometimes she's like, well, like sometimes she can be stand up, it's like just whatever, whatever it is because, you know, she doesn't want to acknowledge it, but if you guys have gotten the verbal argument, yeah, and then we have, uh, I remember we got to, uh, we, she, well, I, one of the time I had offered to, uh, because she does photography,

28:35she does photography in, in, in the house, and that was something that the guys, but I was uncomfortable with, because you know, rain that people just come into the house and strangers, and, you know, and we're just something she was doing, you know, for money and something that she enjoyed. She had to see a studio, and she had a studio somewhere, no, no, no, I left my, I offered to get her a studio, you know, but she's, she's like, maybe wanted to help, she didn't want it in help. And, uh, but I was, listen, if you need to help, you know, I can help, and just, you know, tell me, but she wanted to help, but I think she just, you know, she didn't want to come up like, okay, well, I'll accept it, you know, and we were talking about that at first, but I think she's so independent, she's so independent, it's just her nature that, she refuses to accept any kind of help when it comes to that, and that's why she just kind of stayed, doing her studio thing, and it bothered me to be honest, because I'm like, yeah, you know, you have kids here, you don't almost come into the house, yeah, but, yeah, um, you talked a lot, though, like, uh, did you ever see, you know, if you said depressed or sad, um, maybe you caught one of the state of mind for her in the, in the past couple weeks,

29:36a couple months, and then I know you said you talked to her last, what a week or so. Yeah. Did she express it, did she express it? I didn't think you that she'd go on through any problems with anybody. No, not really, um, two weeks, two weeks ago, I actually, uh, I went over there, and it was just because, like, you know, by the end of, like, you know, we were just completely done. You know, I stand, uh, I, you know, I moved on, and I was doing my thing. I'm assuming she was doing her thing, but, like, it was, you know, we tried to maintain a friendship, because the fact that we, you know, our family's, like, oh, her and my family are so close, we know each other for a long time, and, uh, but she's very strong in the way that, you know, you know, her sisters and brother. No, I'm different, I know how you, I know how you, I know how you, I know how you different from me, and then I got in, uh, Joanne, no, I need to talk to her. Okay. Talk, okay. The thoughts came on? Yeah. Let's Joanne, I got the job. Okay. And, um, I thought this is my head, man. They're always, um, they're going to school. Okay.

30:36I'd say, well, you know, like, uh, who her best friend would be, um, not a sister at this time? Who was she called with, which she talked to about? She had secrets. Finally, I can't say honestly. I mean, she had, like, uh, she had friends. She's not like a social butterfly. She is. She definitely is. You know, she has, uh, she's trying to give me the Facebook and all this stuff. Yeah. It's not just something I think. You know, I tried to Instagram post a lot of that one. And, you know, I was finding, like, do you have any social media accounts? No. I have, uh, uh, TikTok. I used to have Instagram. Okay. So, I've never been active on that. I'm going to post with you around. I'm going to post with you in your account list for that. Uh, okay. So, to do leader is still there. And so, when I did, when you, when you were talked to her, um, phone, um, you know, obviously phone actions that people share. Are you sending any other apturing thing to communicate with her? What was it? What's that? Mm-hmm. Was it always us, what's that? Or was there, uh, did it change some time of time? Regular text messages? What's that? Snapshit? No, I never had such a message.

31:36That's not good enough. I tried it. It's just not a good stuff. Well, yeah, it was usually what's up and just messaging. OK. So the last time you talked to her, was the phone car, was it a text? No, it was a text. OK, it was a regular text, if you were what's that? No regular text. OK. The last time you talked to her or the phone, was it a regular car, was it through the app, what's that? No, it was on the phone. Yeah, that was the idea, it was on the phone. OK, that was a few weeks back. Skin care experts and dermatologists have often touted the benefits of the indoor humidity as essential for healthy, glowing skin. But did you know dry air can start to harm your skin in as little as 30 minutes? For years, many people have relied on humidifiers for better skin, sleep, and overall wellness. But traditional models, bulky, mold prone, and difficult to maintain. That's where canopy humidifier comes in. Recommended by leading dermatologists, canopy is a completely reimagined humidifier designed to elevate any space, offering the ultimate in skin care and wellness benefits. Canopies clean moisture, come that's dryness,

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33:42It was basically kind of like the breakup thing and whatever and all that. She has said, you know, she was always like that. She's like a one kind of person, you know. And she's like, just, you know, come over. We'll talk about it one over there. I was there for 30, 40 minutes. And, you know, we just kind of, I guess, that you could say I wanted to be like it in some way with a closure kind of. And that was it with, you know, this, you know, that's not our good advice, but we always, we always kind of, you could say the relationship would never cut off, you know, like even before then when something like that didn't happen, there were times we were intermittent. That was like, there was a lot of sexual attraction, but there was not that many seclusion about it. It's a long term, no, no, no, no. The only, I'm sorry. When you had that last conversation with her, where you guys kind of decided to go, you were only, was it cordial conversation, was it heated? What kind of conversation? Yeah, yeah, I was saying what is, she, you know, I respect if she was, she's adamant about who she was.

34:43She's very dependent, you know, she's not the kind of person that you can, you know, try to bargain with when it comes to like, okay, well, you know, if you don't do this, then whatever, she's basically like, okay, whatever, you know, she respects who you are. I'm this, I'm like, you know, because like, I like things like, I don't like a lot of strangers coming over to her as an example. That's why I had a problem with that studio thing and I told her, so this is open up a studio. You know, it's no problem, but she didn't want to do it. And, but, yeah, it was, it was cold, you know? Did you both come to that conclusion or did she say, she was done or did you say you were done? No, we both agreed to it, we both agreed to it and, you know, I know, I know she knew that I was, you know, the people that she told me, but I didn't admit to it, you know, honestly, I denied it. And, she knew I wasn't trying to be serious and I knew she wasn't trying to be serious. And, but I think we both kind of wanted to, you know, give whatever we can out of it, you know?

35:46I was really, you know, and we were always friends. I mean, like, there was definitely, we were always willing to be friends before anything else, I think, because I would see us when, we both agreed, we see each other as friends, and in a committed relationship, because especially with me at the time, to be honest with you, I really wasn't just trying to, so there are different friends with that, if it's for you. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what it was at. I just can't ask in a while when, like, we talked to, I'll find her name, Howra, you know what I mean is, you're not remembering her, just started discussing, she, I have her at that time, yeah. And, she seemed to think that, that you two had gotten, not legally married, but married according to the Muslim religion. Yeah, it was marriage. And at some point, she might even be wearing a rain, because it's in a room. We, I would have discussed that, and, but to be honest with you, like, I don't wanna, she wasn't as religious, I think, you know? And, like, I offered, I don't care about the person,

36:49you know, giving a lot about the whole Islamic thing, you know, just whatever. But, I offered that respect, you know? And, you know, she was like, it doesn't really matter. You know, and I told her, if you ever wanna do it, so no problem, it's just kind of like a few words between two people, just, and the God is a witness, and that's all it is. So there's just, you know, it's just like, well, if you wanna do it, yeah, but like, between two people, you know, you can also, it was she wearing a rain, is that natural? Yeah, you know, she was just, you got to be part of it, right? I did. What were you having with him? I don't know. No. What do you look like? So, what is, uh, well, I, I was, I was a yellow rain that I'd gotten her, and, uh, well, like, you kind of had like, whatever, and, she's helped wear it, and I eventually noticed that she had actually had a different rain gun. I think it was like a blue or a green rain. And did she get it back here? No, no. No, I'm just doing bad now, because I got a typical on-beam rain. It was just like, worst of a man. No, it was like, one of them, she found another means. Okay. She had, she had,

37:49over there, and I believed, because I, because we just a credit card to look at it, you know, and how it says, I mean, I think you realized that she was a good person. I'm so you guys had some sexual attraction, which isn't really important in their relationship. It just seems like, you know, the, if it was outta you, I'll get outta you, I'll get outta you, I don't know why. I would go that way if you were actually, couldn't go through with this, with the rules, well, being married. That makes sense, what, what about you, do you think? For, you know, for trading as well, actually. I think you just, you know, because, you know, we were involved, we were involved, and she always, she always, especially wanted to kind of agree, because, you know, she always is approached by a man, and there was kind of like a little shield for her, you know, and, you know, she was telling me, obviously it's an installment from talking, trying to talk to her, and, but that's, you know, a lot more comfortable to that, she had a ring on because, you know, because I know how, lately. Yeah. You know, and,

38:50yeah, that was integral. So, when was the day break up then, community, do you think, um, definitely when I, when I send the, um, when I send a video to her death, definitely. When was that, do you think, I cannot collect the day, you know, but, okay. I have, here you must, but, you don't seem like, ah, to me, you're very calm, when you're very relaxed, okay. Um, and then you say it, you know, it didn't really mean much to you because, you never tended to be with her long term, because you had, I got, I got, you had a side piece, I said, she had something else going on that you found out, right? Does it make sense to get dead, that angry, to where you belong, to send her father, or video over her doing something provocative, just a grown reputation that you didn't care part of that much? You know, I mean, no, I was just, it was, it was, it was otherwise, it was just, it was stupid on my part, but I did it. You know, I guess you could say,

39:50you know, it didn't, even though I didn't, you know, it meant to affect those in the room. I never really started in that life, to be honest with you. I know she's a social butterfly and she talks and, you know, like, she's, like with, she's the kind of person who would have no friends, you know, and I'm the kind of of select that's not a good idea, because I know what guys want, and it's still, you know, she's independent, struggling to say, well, no, that's how it is. And, uh, either you drink it all, I don't know. High school meal, they say, women, booths, the two things that, eating most trouble in this world. Right. Um, because, I thought it was, I said, should they send me a, or does it play the text that you sent her there? Mm-hmm. Yes. Did it was for more than one video, or just one video? No, it was just that. And, for reason why it's important to me talk to you, I've always, you said it's still in there, right? If you were to be just an investigator objectively, that didn't know you, as a talker, I'm not relaxed, but if you read this text, uh, I mean,

40:50it looks like you're, pissed. Yeah, I was. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then you even say, at one point that you are connected man with resources, um, more resources than you could ever imagine. Mm-hmm. Right. And you mentioned that you had to get rid of this guy's license plate, and then you had somebody run his plate, do you know any police officers that ran this guy's plate? You know it was bullocked. That was a bullocked. That was a bullocked. That was a bullocked. That was a bullocked. That was a bullocked. That was a bullocked. I just wanted to know, basically, that's, I just wanted him to know. I just wanted to know the book, top that it's sold. And I'm trying to rob you too, bro. Yeah. You put, and you're a father, you really have been in the mixture there for 10 years, because you were in the harshest, right? Access to affordable credit helps me pay my employees, but I don't really need it. Infliction is killing me. Who cares? Big retailers, and making record profits. That's why we support the Durban Marshall Credit Card Bill. See? The Durban Marshall Credit Union's help small businesses make payroll. This bill would cut the vital resources they need.

41:50While increasing Megastore profits, they deserve it. Don't they? Tell Congress, stop the Durban Marshall money grab for corporate megastores, paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. Access to affordable credit helps me pay my employees, but I don't really need it. Infliction is killing me. Who cares? Big retailers, and making record profits. That's why we support the Durban Marshall Credit Card Bill. See? Banks and credit unions help small businesses make payroll. This bill would cut the vital resources they need. While increasing Megastore profits, they deserve it. Don't they? Tell Congress, stop the Durban Marshall money grab for corporate megastores, paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. But, um, you don't need to assist your remaining families. You know, getting sisters, getting females, getting management, being a father, and getting texts like this about your daughter, how much do you make? Yeah. Your fur and yours, a lying cheating. And there's some dialogue in here that this is how you're a daughter.

42:51So this came to me, you know, you know what I mean? That was my one intention. When we had the stuff, within, of course, that's why I was important talk to you. Okay. Because of this dissent to her father about months ago. And also, now she's not here. Right? That's why it's important to figure out what's going on. You found me. Okay. So, say it's a fair statement to say that you grew right, saying this now. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, I never... So, this was since some time around January February this year. That's all right. After you met with Muhammad, at Walmart. I'm not, honestly, I can't think of that, but it was a while back. I would say, come on, let's be healthy. Yeah. But I'm not really sure about the date. Okay. You guys broke up right before you sent this. Yeah.

43:51Okay. And then, after the break up, you mentioned you guys had been since a dialogue or communication with them. Well, we always worked with somebody and was there any more friends with benefits stuff going on? Recently, have you seen her again for sex in her recent? I have seen her a couple weeks. A couple weeks ago, but yeah, we didn't do anything. I think we just kind of had, like, a little talk mixed with me now. And we... I think we eventually came to an agreement that we, you know, were too different. And we were too different because we're too alike. You know, she's from my Vietnam spotlight. And, you know, how was her response to this? She was, well, it was kind of funny, obviously she was pissed off. And, but she had asked me, she's like, you know, she sent me a message. She's like, you know, nice job, you know, you managed to make a scene, so I'm like that. And, she had, she wanted me to come over and I refused. She wanted me to come over. Yeah. Why was that?

44:51I don't know. She was like, quick, yeah, you know, come over, let's talk about this now. I think maybe that was an way of trying to, and actually, to be honest with you, when she said that, I did send a message, take a picture of that, and I sent it to, I'm at her ex, I'm like, you see, you know, she's, she's, you know, makes it, she's retarded. What is she doing? For you guys, continue conversation, dialogue. It's hard to wrap her head around. Right here. It's hard to say, or believe, that she can still want to have an open relationship with you, and for this message. How am I supposed to do this right here? It'd been like, you know, once you, ever again, there's no point for an relationship to continue, right? You've lost trust in you, didn't bring her, life, isn't with her family, right? So, from this time on, it's hard for us to believe that you guys had a good relationship, right? Because it just, wouldn't make sense. No, not at all.

45:51Right? Yeah. Would you agree with that? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so would you agree that you guys' relationship after this was not good? Well, there wasn't a relationship. But, you know, as far as two individuals were talking, right? They had to have changed to nice nature. Yeah, right. Because I know that her dad even, like, stopped, and stopped buying gifts for her children, stopped from over and missing them, like, you got nasty between her and her father over the video. Because, I guess, he's creeped about it. So, he was just talking about the old thing. So, when we had talked to her family there earlier, I was like, a game changer when the video was sent. And then, it's hard to understand because you, obviously, you caught her cheating. And, was it something that he would do? And, listen, I've been a girlfriend of that. I thought she'd have none of these right yet. And, many times, I'll be possessed into her toy over the women. You say, you got a side piece, but still,

46:51still makes your little manual that your girls are so young, you're possessive, yeah. So, were you checking up on her and how did you find the red truck in the driveway the one day? Oh, that day, that day, I went over there. I think, because we were still talking, even after that. You know, like, not on a regular book. Like I said, it takes hands there. And, even after this incident, we were intimate. And, so, one day, when I went over there, I drove by there, and I see the car in the rookie notice. That's when I did, like, you know, you thought about her ex-husband, this is going on, there's information. Yeah. What would be fair to say that you, after this particular incident, you were seeking her relationship with her more than her cheating relationship with you? No, not at all. That wouldn't be always good. If, if there was anything like that, most probably, just sexual, you know, I mean, the times that,

47:51she would always try to check up on me. This is the things she would always try to check up on me, even to update me on some things, like, even, just whatever. Well, that's the point. She tried to make it. So, I mean, the times where she would initiate a conversation with you by sending you a text message. Yeah. It's all going to be on your phone. Our job is, our job is not to, I mean, obviously, if you, if you did this, right, my job is to put you in person, right? But my job is also to a gallery, if you didn't do it. I hope so. And this is something that includes... That needs to be done, because, I mean, the E-q. is important. This rule will help you whatsoever you're, if we first went and will have, the E-Q. That E-Q. is short for... I'm sure he's pissed off because his Americans have ruined his life. He's been dealing with his parents at home right now. 50, 50 custody, well. Not a good focus. Right? And his life has been ruined

48:51by, unfortunately, by her infidelity. been first okay and he came to you just like you said down and strong questions we were the verifying some of this information with his phone okay and then we knew that she was being this master guy that's the guy on the red truck he said now in the same show you're a same exact conversation fully cooper like you then gave us this phone right we went through all this information right because the phone's out like yeah all right is there anything that you've done under your phone no no we don't believe any messages have you done anything this the the gears here yeah not me I'm not like that all right but these leaks over here have to know where to figure out there's been information deleted so I'm just asking you to be up front if somebody's missing from the past couple days or would that tell you if you were an investigator no I mean yeah like before that obviously like because I had you know the context and everything and before when when this happened I was just playing my guitar you know and yeah I did delete whatever we had to get

49:54the ice on pictures before with it so I did it okay and uh you just deleted anything with her or is your your entire phone is deleted no I sometimes I do it in my whole phone too I do that one's the last thing did like any form of like wiping or deleting of the device I don't know I didn't do it at least once a week I would say okay you do yesterday um I don't know maybe maybe you know yesterday yeah possibly once I do I found out about this uh uh finally I told me about this uh that even we need to do this so you know like he told me about Google the activities and like that how they keep track of everything like that and you know supposedly just to kind of keep um you know let's try to put your phone or not and I went on there and yes true like it basically shows everything like all your websites you know that you know and I thought we'd be deleted out of your phone you know so yeah

50:56um you know that anytime well you know I said you did the information from your phone the devices you connect with the store that content yeah you were standing there right so um if we believe or we have any type of evidence that we have in our possession currently we're doing the same thing with that so if and we're not just devices we don't need just devices to get that information all right we just go directly to the source all right and we've obtained all that stuff so like we said that the geeks are looking into it right now so even if you delete information from your phone we go straight to the source we're going to the other device that your phone had contact with we just still see the communication okay does that make sense yeah okay so just I just want to be clear as far as that's concerned so you told me that you found out that about about uh that uh a two o'clock yesterday that right and we're okay so you went

51:57to where um you say a coworker has told you um yeah to pass it yeah how did he plan out about it yeah uh I think all the he's uh the coworker um when I came in there he told me that uh uh joa had uh what he knew on his Muhammad he didn't know you know that's why I was like kind of taking back because I'm like who are you talking about he's like uh your friends uh assisted that you know your friend when he told his like Muhammad he said he said uh you know the thoughts can you get your heart on that this is your life what are you talking about you know and not only he's like how long did you hurt him uh couple of months ago that's okay you know probably um and yeah and I called Phyllis Phyllis as a manager at the other gas station okay the word joa works and I'll tell them I once go on is this true is again that he just left for it they found out his sister you know I died then yeah I just didn't believe it I've chosen that so if you're sorry just uh maybe that's why I'm coming down here and who else said you what you mentioned you called her family right who's your partner family well I didn't have

53:04all the numbers I had I had the rest of his uh number and I had radius from the big area and I had and I had uh all these other other brothers the doctor yeah and are you in your friends? not really we we kind of tried to be when uh when her night you know yeah well involved and um he didn't really nice me at first you know I it takes a lot of day maintenance because what's going on tell me what's going on and then he's like I'm sorry I'm with my family I can't talk and uh you know I I called uh I uh I called the ex husband he didn't answer and um I called Ferris to get uh because I didn't have your blood number so I called Ferris to give him a joys and I called him to it and answered and that's what I called my sister I'm like hey you know this is what's this is what I found out and she's like yeah I know I always phone calls for the manifold what do you mean that when you call Ferris can you call oh yeah this should be

54:05yeah okay um and then did you stay or did you do any else no honestly I just uh I just then you know I just felt like I didn't believe it to be honest with you and I just I just left I couldn't you know I couldn't be there okay well what did you know how long yeah and then you uh you had to uh shoot up some point you you told me I was like this really right yeah yeah of course I mean like I said I have a record so I know this goes um um once you got home what did you do I stayed on all day I was there I did okay with just sending what have you heard like what do you know about her passing nothing really nothing that I can tell okay you know I tried uh I don't have a Facebook or whatever but I went on uh I went on on that internet and uh oh I'm sorry you know I caught I called actually my brother I'm not I called him and uh because supposedly like his uh his uh I'm

55:10cool one of his uncles he's the one that watches the bodies and what it was some of the days and I said then you know what's going on tell me you know what happened what he's like man people they're seeing something like uh you know I was going to suppose to discharge or whatever he heard so yeah this this like that's what he said he said one of the comments on the on the internet man that's all I know about it you know okay and then you didn't really think of anybody who could be involved no no she didn't have any enemies anywhere no um from you know based upon your interaction with her ex husband why you think he's so many people doing such a thing no I can't say that man you know I made it one time to be honest and I'm not a medic you seem you know he seems like an okay guy okay no so I can't really say that okay um I know I got actually again he mentioned and you did you talk to a friend that was telling you about how cool

56:12you could contract your device and that kind of thing who was the friend that you had information oh it was that was a lot of that actually so I was so many knew yeah I know and uh did you do anything from your Google timeline yesterday pauses the owner like 40 dollars yeah possibly yeah let me ask you that man this is not me accusing this to me asking because I got a known if if I knew why I didn't do anything and the phone could prove that why wouldn't you do that in there no I didn't do anything I understand because that would be huge for you yeah right you right now I would be just saying you're at home you know it's not a nut all right so that's why in that part it's going to be suspicious right um and then you just if you deleted any information or text messages or phone calls from her right but you have other ones for anybody else you know you didn't delete the whole thing you just deleted no it depends on the specific one maybe yes okay now people out on top of time say you

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59:22like we got that taste as we stayed there for like an hour so it's more right yeah what's the most last thing uh as you a j e e b how was he he's uh by the light okay is this number under the model in your phone or more g or what's it's gonna want more to move to your phone and you know it's not our type of guy though you know I wouldn't be the mess just because it's like a great memory how was your memory it's uh okay now so I'm not going to be with phone with the mobile juice houses in the heights somewhere near beach daily and we're we're having more now it's been going to be daily it's like uh the first block over there okay um it was me and his brother and another friend I'll be we uh like I said we just kind of let's go with what's the most I'm sorry to put up and these things I got a verifier and what what's most uh bullish name awesome okay and his number in your phone yeah okay under our side of you yeah okay and then you said

1:00:22something else there too yeah all right what's this last name um m a h it's me I hate but I'm not to do you show how you spell that may I hate and may yeah many I hate many and maybe I just bought h a you know it's not these guys are all friends yours yeah roughly the same age as you yeah but Ali does not live with these guys now you don't restate that yeah because there's a new one right uh this week by chase by chase uh like he does the closer miles okay and his numbers in your phone as well yeah same name yeah last name too no I have it much under Ali we's Ali we see here okay and were you with these guys the whole night yeah okay so you got their five that you went to bella al at some point you're small didn't rain all right um and then when did you get back from bella al um was late maybe ten maybe ten o'clock night probably so you got

1:01:31there around five or six you guys leave right away for bella to bella no but I will be get there because we we we children a full load of it you know kind of most got a bike so we kind of like shows up over the vlog you know he's learning what he shows up and um I don't remember how long I don't know exactly what time we left his house but when we left they went to the store down the street and from there we went to bella and by then it was the like so take me it was jogging your bell out yeah I mean he would have two hours maybe small wind right now yeah and uh now it's all the distance you have at 10 o'clock that seems to be the hangout bell out the roof park everyone just party in and on here all right and just these forget you with you yeah okay what car do you drive dead bell out so I'm way quick okay what car are you driving now the cruise yeah okay and so you drove to the house in the cruise the four you load up in your cruise you go to bella either they're hanging out at the time you get back from bella with

1:02:3210 o'clock you said yeah probably you go back to most house yeah okay and then how long do you stay at most house uh but four hours I said play park we play park girl though so it's just the time I was like hold hold yeah you know it's safer on your own line they have to say you're not you can somebody wanted to say a high degree we actually do zoom and play on the line at the same time there we only do a carousel all right um so you beg at 10 you get to the poker ever and what time did you leave his house um always late I'm not two or three possibly okay yeah all right two or three and then when you left his house just you left no I took all the way with me well actually yeah because his brother Hassan is either down the street too so I dropped Hassan off and then I took all the truck to him he lives down the street from all yeah Hassan lives with his uh with his parents on the edge right down the street so you drop Hassan off first and all right

1:03:35and he falls by yeah and then you drop by off but he lives off of chase roads and my right yeah okay so um do you remember the route that you took rallying from most house back until you got off Ali yeah yeah yeah I dropped us on half I took the telegraph and uh I want to I think was point road pretty sure was point road and then you went down to day one you dropped them off and Alice with you at that time right yeah all right okay so you dropped him off and then did you go straight on after that yeah okay was anybody uh um awake when you been home no I tried to go on there because I was a little bit had been drinking and everything to go understand I just and I try not to run into my death okay so you used to live your bed yeah all right so your day after day what you're testing how is that yeah s s s a d s a s a s a s a s a a d okay and who stays here with you

1:04:41now well my mother or she's actually what she's right now okay so just you in your head around here okay no well stays there all right um when you took telegraph and you you left most house so you went some on a street east on towards telegraph is that correct because the day would you be able to shape in more now telegraph um I dropped up house I might have I might have killed cut through the neighborhood I'm not sure to be honest but I was I end up in October yeah I have to get red in the center picture for me would probably probably can't remember exactly but I just got the right just you come I'm sorry that you come across any do you know is any police in area we were bugging staff for a thing for me you can drive with your car just like that I was trying to be cautious yeah you come across any cars on telegraph telegraph were you feeling it I'm not like that. I can remember them.

1:05:43No. I've been drinking most of the day so I'm smoking a little so. Yeah, maybe. You know, part of jobs are there if I would be telling you right. So if I call Ali, he'll tell me this exact same story. Yeah. And you drive him off. Yeah. All right, you guys said you got home some time around two or three hours a day. Yeah. Okay. Um. When. And we're out here and I don't really care about anything. You have one of the side as far as marijuana, I think. Are you involved in any type of drug sales? One of the ways, how do you use any narcotics? When you say soda, I'm assuming it's cigarettes, right? No, no. I was supposed to weed out. I was supposed to. Okay. Yeah. All right. Let's hope you're useful. I was supposed to weed down a bell out there. All right. Any other drugs? No. Okay. And that's the dig. Was she, did she use any drug here? Where? No. I actually tried to get it to smoke weed with me, but she is against it.

1:06:43Yeah. It's pretty nasty. Yeah. No. Okay. So did she smoke cigarettes? No. Take pills? No. I don't know, but I don't think so. Recently, when you went to her house late at night and we're knocking and banging on her doors or windows, try to talk to her. No. Never. Never. Yeah. Because she did report to you. What are there? Yeah. When? Did you talk about the time that they got with you? No. Different time. No, not that I don't know. So, you know, part of these questions, and we don't mean cloth, but disrespect for anything like that. Okay. But these are sometimes with this tough questions and what that is. No. I understand that, right? But you understand that we talked to, so we've probably not mentioned that before. I just wanted to let you know that, you know, a lot of them who are close to her or were close to her, you know, they said she provided, provided that, like she told them things that maybe I love people generally move up. All right. And some of the information that came across was that you can constantly go over to the house, you know, without being invited.

1:07:48Probably going to the door. This is stuff that she would tell her close friends. That's not true. It was it's not true. Why would she say that? Why would she make that up? Why would she tell her friends that? I don't know. So you never would go up to the house without being invited at one time when she had that girl. That was it. I didn't open that door. And I knew it. And that's when I had that whole thing where the text messages just happened. Okay. Why just that one time? I mean, it wasn't really something, you know, it was just kind of like something with a moment. You know, it wasn't like she wasn't my wife, you know, she wasn't my girlfriend or whatever. It was just something that was going on, you know. Does it help her? I know, but the reaction wouldn't indicate that it was something that wasn't a big deal. I didn't know. Obviously it was a big deal. Do you know what it happened? You were so pissed off that you sent a video to her father. I don't have a video, but her naked or something. I just wanted to embarrass her. Right now. Like at the time, I felt like she had it to be embarrassed.

1:08:50Did you ever feel like she was not, you know, she wore a job. Did you ever feel like you mentioned that she wasn't cheaper trade. Like she was religious. I'm obviously dressed that way. And you said you're not really a religious person. Right. But did you think were you upset because she was acting in a way that it was against the rules that it would be? No, no. It wasn't a whole moment. It should be acting. Not at all. I mean, honestly, you know, I drink and I smoke, you know, whole night of it. You know, I don't think she was doing anything, you know, until that time, you know, but even then, you know, it's like, you know, I drink. I smoke, you know, I do what I can do. It's rather easy. Rather than hypocrisy, you know, I know how it is. It is. It is, but you know, just the way it is. Maybe that's just the old day of the mindset, I guess. I don't know what it is. You know, what she was, what she was out was she always be wearing the job. Yes. You know, it's... When you were... The searcher picked her on when you were living with her, she was staying with her.

1:09:50And over time with herself, that was she wearing the job in the house when you were there. I don't know. I know. It just depends, you know. Yeah. I don't know. How familiar are you with her house? I know you've been there a few times, if she had any type of alarm system or anything like that. But you know... Not that I know of. Not with the ship. Any cameras? Maybe, yeah. I think she did. Okay, yeah. And you only knew the one potential ring that's up that she hides for just a case, she used her own break. It wouldn't ring to the house. Ring? I'm sorry. A key. Into the house. Oh, no. Not for that house. No, not for that one. No. When you were seeing each other, it was on Edward. That house... Oh, so where's us? So it wasn't for this house. No, this is the average version of the MPL. Okay. So once you separated, she's still saying that we're for a period of time. Yeah. And you guys are for the other time. Yeah. Okay. But you're already a key for the house. No. Okay. No, it was in the old house.

1:10:50Yeah, she had just bought it. So I never would eat. And at the time, we were going to do the live show. You know, I guess you can say we were consistent with it. It was like something like that. But in the old house, yeah, she would leave it to me like under that little ledge on the door. Okay. All right. And there's no way that you would have deviated from the route that you told us when you were driving home, you took telegraphs right north, didn't cut in the neighborhood right after you turned north on telegraphs. Yeah. I'm not sure which one I took going to telegraph to get on this one. Yeah. I would have remembered if I took me standing to Michigan. Were you driving normally? Were you driving? Um, and usually what the way you're driving you're coming through that you were following. I don't know. You're drinking something. Yeah. Okay. Right. Normal. I think so, yeah. Okay. Were your lights on? Yeah, probably. Did you notice I was driving at some point? No.

1:11:50No. Okay. Um, because, uh, the sky was following you. All right. Because, uh, your lights were off or you were somewhere around, uh, I think it's handover. That's your stuff, maybe? No. I don't know where it's going. Okay. Well, it's down there right where you just drive your mobile. A Jeep was. Yeah. It says mobile. I have a lot north of them weren't. Yeah. Okay. And I saw your car sitting there with the lights off. So they paid a close attention to you. Because if I made something was going on. Okay. All right. And they were so close enough that they got your license for you. All right. Okay. Um, but then when you left that area, uh, you didn't turn down and ask for it to go westbound. For any reason. Because. Where is Oxford? Oxford by the 7-Eleven here. What were the latest? What castles? My castles. Right in there. You know, this, uh, lovelies were in the corner of Tel Aviv. Because they were, uh, serving also set up on you. They died. Okay.

1:12:50And I thought they were real crew, uh, if, uh, no, not tonight. So you, you, that would not be accurate. You go on westbound in Oxford. I don't know what I'm expecting. Was it like that? Yeah. Yeah. So we're trying to still do know where this is going to be. I'm sure. No, where the stuff is. I thought I could do a match. And this is not what I'm trying to rob you, man. I'm going to take some notes. I ain't trying to find the product. You guys are kind of. What's that? I think I should get a lawyer. Yeah. Why? I don't know. I think you guys are trying to send me out. How would it be this fuel? I told you that. That's part of the problem. I don't know. I don't know. I think you guys are trying to send me out. How would it be this fuel? I told you that. That's part of the problem. I don't know. I think I should push the driver. And if there was anyone trying to follow me anyway, I think it probably might be aware of it. So if it did you say it was about how to follow me? Yeah it does. And I'm marked otherwise it's us our any are played like 139 in the morning right here in front of 258 for one in our street. Okay. So what is that? What is that overstate?

1:13:50That's down there. This is down here. Vamblorine. Yeah. Yeah, it's up. Close-ups. Yeah. That's my phone? If we answer before you can talk to it, but I don't remember anyone's father on you. What's that? I don't remember anyone's father. I'm actually stupid because you don't know the top right, this is rocks for this. Okay. And you know who's, who's, at a, at a set it's. Yeah. Okay. And then no doubt. At some point you go Westbound, they ran, they run this at 139, at 145, you're going Westbound, Oxford. Okay. And then they were out there. This is a state, this is a state, this is a state, this is a government. What's that? This is not the route that you took. You come to the neighborhood lights out, okay, but we're here pacing out for a time because it takes approximately seven minutes to get from, from your boys house, all of it here

1:14:55to our Mississippi clips, okay. Because we wanted to get a time frame together. So this is just a rough estimate, okay. Yeah. When that point was, if your plate was right at 139 down here, okay. And then at 145, you're on video going Westbound on Oxford right here. This is the 711, there's a white castle right here, there's our reason over here, right. This is the traffic light. This is Telegraph. This is Telegraph. Okay. Can you explain why you would be going Westbound on Oxford, right from Telegraph right here? No. No, I wasn't going that way. No, no, I took Telegraph all the way down. I don't know that. And I'm going to get up, I'm going to push it, I'm going to push it, I'm going to push it up before I draw it. There's two things where it ends you up. Please stop us, we're going to hand you around video to the doctor's office right here. If you sit there then I'll just talk to the lawyer. I understand. Okay. But you are pretty tough at that. You had somebody go to your team. Yeah, I did. Yeah. Okay.

1:15:55Okay. Okay. You change your mind. Is it me? I'm trying to get to the direction. Read the instruction to Apex here. No, I understand. But, you know, you guys, and I know you guys are just down here job, but what you just said, those are not true. And I know it's not. So, I did a lawyer. Okay. I think this is one of the times where you guys try to kind of catch me of something and I don't appreciate that. I'm not going to ask you questions, but that's not true. Okay. I think this is one of the times where you guys try to kind of catch me of something and I don't appreciate that. I don't want to ask you questions, but that's not the case. Okay. The cases were trying to figure out what happened. So, I told you before, when I tried to be disrespectful, and sometimes we have to ask you tough questions. You might not like. Yeah. But, you're not the one person that we have some questions to understand yet. I don't have a record, man. I understand. I told you that I don't have to just be trusting. I tried to be trusting it. Honestly, I haven't done anything wrong. So, I said, you know what? Let's talk. I don't need it. All right. At the end of the day, once we've done with the conversation, we want to walk out there believing you. And we have to treat everybody that's singing. And our eyes, everyone's a suspect.

1:16:55And that's how it is, right? Everyone's a suspect. It's like, for us, we have to put the puzzle together. Okay. As the investigation goes on, we collect facts, we get pieces, and we keep putting the puzzle together. Even your singing is too up. Put the puzzle together. Or, we put down, you said, now we need to turn left. All right. Our job is to document. It's going to be document. You read the first one. No, I was the first one. He had a much worse interview than you did. I mean, as far as he has a lot more of those at this point. Because I understand. Okay. All right. I'm done. All right. Yeah. I don't know. The phones that are now, let's get the phones back. Let's see what the swell is. Okay. Because, like I said, this is ongoing investigation. Our intention is to see it through. Okay. This is my card. Okay. That's my best sign. Okay. What I want to ask you is if I have, say, a line you think is something that you might think is important. Or, down the line, you say, you know what?

1:17:55I want to continue to talk to you guys. I feel it might be important. Okay. Anytime you feel like that. Okay. You give us a call. Okay. We were hoping that maybe you saw something over there. We eventually tried to buy her a place to check up on her. She just said, okay. You might have saw her on the right way. I'm not doing it right. That's what he was talking about. You found her? You might have saw the red shot there. Right? Yeah. That's it. I mean, at the end of the day, someone's dead. Right? Someone that you loved is dead. Someone that was someone's daughter or someone's sister. Right? Is dead. Right? And it's our job to find out what happened. And no one's pointing fingers. But, hey, sometimes we have to ask these questions. Hopefully, you don't take that personally. It's just something like that. I know you guys don't get the job that we have to do. But at the same time, I have to take my stuff too. Because I know how serious this was. It was a percent. I'm going to start with that guy with a record like mine. I mean, you know, the record is something that can be used.

1:18:57There's still things you guys have to love to send to us. Things like that. And that is just being this. Sometimes it usually predicts the future. But it starts from a sharp, sharp concern. And then the owl come forth. We rarely use so many of these from a record ever. So I think I was going to have to play. Right? Well, I don't have as no record. But we would accuse the hell out of him. Because he was the most likely person at first. Yeah. All right. But we're going to have some things that have to be defeated, man. And all right. The following is going to be a problem. I wish that you had the information there with that. We would have demonstrated that you didn't do those things. Right? In terms of a strong Oxford. They didn't communicate with it. But that's just been deleted then. You know, if you ever had to do something objectively, right? It doesn't mean that you did something wrong. But most people don't delete that information if it could continue. You know what I mean? One thing I would like to add is knowing that, you know, we're going to continue talking to people or not. Once you leave here today, we ask that you don't communicate with anybody and any potential witnesses.

1:19:57Okay. Don't talk to me if you end up talking to someone. Don't disclose our conversation or questions that are being asked of you. Okay. Because you never know. Maybe the person you talk to is responsible. Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because eventually we're going to come around and talk to the same people. We don't want them to say, oh, yeah. You know, how does that sound totally that? I heard from my son. He said, you talked to you guys. This is what he said. I have to go. I was with them. Okay. Well, I'm saying this no matter what. He brought us together. And then we do that conversation. And you didn't have any dialogue with him. That's the only thing to get along with the other. Interesting. So hopefully, when we talk to him, he can verify what he told us. Right. We can move onto the next box. And there's a little box that we're going to make. So we're going to look something number four, and then we'll check stuff. Okay. You know what I'm getting my phone? So it is. A bunch of reasons. You know what I'm getting, I'm going to get it. Let's get it. The geeks.

1:20:57I don't even know what sound they've got. Is there another camera to eat your house? No. I think we have cameras about other thing they work, they would because we're supposed to pay the monthly thing and yeah I'm pretty sure we haven't paid it, but I think you check it if you like. That would be a one way to perform with tiny at home, right? That's all. We have to do some more digging, you know, that there's another person that we've got to talk to next. Oh yeah, just so you don't mind. Just don't say any of our conversation, you know, because we're hoping that you thought something, if you'd roll by there, but there was some way after that something and to what extent is still to be determined, but yeah, we ultimately want to find that person, right? And if you care about it, or like you say to it, and you want the exact same thing, right? I don't think, I mean, I can't think of any, any, any, any music she has to go on, it's

1:22:00not that I know, because she, she's a pretty girl and the boy said not her, you know, even like if people associate me, like, see how girls associate me, as far as I know, people always kind of like, you know, trying to talk to her, especially when she was working at access and everything, but, you know, still, like, she's just, you know, she's smart, she's smart girl, and, you know, I just, I don't, I can't think of any music to be honest with you. I can't think of her ex-husband, you know, you know, I got it for a bit, so just, I don't know, she's just nobody. She, like, issue a drug, because it would be easier. She, you know, well accounts, a good mom, having a free spirit. No, no, she was a, maybe she was like, for right, for her, for right a reason, but it doesn't mean she wasn't a person to do much. No, we are, we are who we are, but, you know, this is a chain for kind of people we are, you know, we can live our life as a person, that's what we're supposed to believe, if we want to live, we're just trying to find out, so, yeah, that's what we're supposed

1:23:04to do. Now you've listened, now go to your thing.