Whateley with Tom Morris - Tuesday | Full Show (14.04.26)

0:00Tuesday morning, this is your town, this is your station, this is Waitley. Good morning, I love footy, but today is a heavy day of football news. At 3pm we will learn the fate of one AFL player who up against the word of two VFL players lost his case last week. And shortly after, it will be the word of two AFL players up against the word of one AFL umpire. In both cases, the truth is sharply contested. Who said what? Did Lance Collard really say maggots? Did Zack butters really ask Nick foot how much is being paid? Whoever you believe, it's all a bit ugly. And in the middle, as always, is the AFL. And no one supports the AFL. They're trying to stamp out homophobic language in Collard's case and protect and umpire in another. I don't know what butters said. I don't know what Collard said and I'm not going to begin to guess. But what I do know is yesterday Nick foot was given a few hours to cool down and reassess

1:02if he wanted to take it further and he didn't waver. If you're having sat in that chair for 20 years, there's nothing worse outside of vilification that you could say to a match day official. And I'm not allowed to go back. I would get in so much trouble even just for standing my ground and saying don't talk to me like that. And I'm not suggesting Zack do you say these? Again, it has to be proven yet, right? But more broadly, going out by a cheat or making that inference, is this poor thing that you can say to him? Look, I'm really disappointed if I'm being honest. I'm really disappointed with the way this is all played out and how it's played out here. This is a fellow who I know really well. You attack the kids, you know, you attack your family, you get it. You're going to be very careful. Zack to me is almost like family. I can tell you, you can trust Oli and Zack with your life. And, you know, I can't see how Zack would get on and say what he said, knowing the game so well, knowing that there's mics on, knowing that there's everything being recorded, knowing that 99 out of 100, this will be caught on Mike.

2:03Can I just say one other thing on this? And that's both perspectives. That's a perspective from an umpire and perspective from someone who knows Zack but is really well, Ken Hinkley, on sports day last night. It's not fashionable to support an umpire. But I know Nick Foote and in my experience, he is a good man. He's a grand final umpire and he knows the laws of the game. And one of the laws of the game, per section 22.3D, is that, and I quote, an umpire shall not speak with the reported player or any other player about the report, which has been made. You can say what you want about the report itself. I'm sure people on our open line will on our temper text. You can say what you want about the microphone audio, which is inconveniently gone missing or doesn't exist. And the curiosity of Foote's role at sports bet. But an umpire simply isn't allowed to engage with the reported player post-game. Now, 3 AW isolated the audio, you can make your own mind up. I must admit, my mind did go back to the Tony Jones mat head,

3:13whispers in the sky controversy 20 years ago. We may never know the truth for sure. But yes, it is a heavy afternoon and day of LHQ, Tom Morris, filling the shoes of Jared Waitley today, Wednesday and Thursday. Matt Shervington will talk athletics. James Sutherland golf with me later this morning. We'll take your calls and bring you the guts of Michael Voss's media conference out of 10. But Tuesdays begin one way, and that's the leadership portfolio. And there's no better way to unpack the nuances of what's ahead than our four-time premiership, Hawke, Luke Hodge joining us. Hodgey, welcome again to Waitley. Morning, Tommy. What a disappointing way to finish gatherings. I look forward to gathering around every year. It's always a great event. Love it over there in South Australia. And then we get to the end of it. And from the final game we come out. And all we can talk about is the Nick Footen, but is conversational miscommunication between the two. So put that to the side. What a fantastic shoot as a football. Yeah, it's something about Port Adelaide's colorful gathering history.

4:13So one year, I think it was a Friday night. Finn Lason delivered a homophobic slur. And then last year, the famous win, then Willie Raleigh put out a social media post. And then Sunday night again, something about Port and Gather Around just brings out the biggest stories. Yeah, it is. And I think I look forward to what he's there to be spoken about. And I guess the big building in the last year's Gather Around was the Kenny and the plane with Ginevin, which was the massive talk. Still confident you got flying for that, by the way. But I felt my seat when I heard that. And then they go and promote it the next year. But yeah, this is a, this is a confusing one, because you sit back in it of Nick puts in, up on me for a long period of time. And from me, I just think it's, it's miscommunication. What he heard and what Bud has said both believe, what they've, they've both been honest. And we sort of sit back and go, well, I don't think Nick's lying. Because if you have an employer, feel that a player is abused and for cheating, he has to take this grant. And on the flip side, Bud is sitting on,

5:14I did not say that this is, this is, I can understand where you're coming from, but I did not say that. So hopefully we get to the tribunal. I don't want Nick puts reputation to be dragged through the Colisey, because when I applied, he was one who you would communicate with, you would have a banter. If you did get a bit heated and abuse him, you'd tell you to pull up and then continue on. So look, I feel that the tribunal, as much as we don't want to see, this going to the tribunal, hopefully we get there and we understand that what Nick heard wasn't what, wasn't what he thought. And Zach can go and play next week. So it is a hard one, but I think if any employer, he's someone accusing them of cheating or getting bribed, the AFL is telling them to take it. They have to report them, so he's doing what he's told to do. But I think we're all sitting here going, what he heard was a little bit different to what Zach said, but the reaction of what Zach had on the grant as well. How difficult is it out there in the middle when it comes to communicating with umpires and teammates? How likely is it that there was a miscommunication and just the wise being crossed? Well, you think about it. You know when you're when you're doing the media,

6:16when you've got someone in your ear, you're trying to talk, you're listening to what you commentator saying, you've got you've produced in the background talking. Sometimes I'll get BT to ask me a question, and I don't hear what he said, because my mind's on the next phase or talking to someone else. And you think Nick in his position, he's got other umpires in his head, he's got someone else's audience, he's got all the plays, he's got the crowd, he's just paid a free kick where there's probably a few plays where disagreeing with the free kick if possibly would have been a bit tiggy touch for the concerns. Some of the other free kicks are let go. I can totally understand that what was said may have gone to him a different way, but his reaction was still what the AFL are telling him to do if he heard what he thought he heard. So yeah, hopefully that all gets cleared out tonight. It is disappointing for the audio, because the audio could have come back and we could have snapped what it straight away, but I've heard the audio 25 times and I still can't make out what it said. The pay or pay, it sounds similar, similar to that, but it's not long enough for us to get a decent understanding from it. How much credence do you take from Zach Butter's reaction?

7:17He was utterly shocked, wasn't he? Not just immediately, but also post-game and he spoke to Xana McGuire in Channel 7. Yeah, I think that's where, so a lot of takeaways, a lot of plays played there since, especially when it gets to Tribunal, and I've done that a few times. But I think you got to look at, and Zach is someone who, I remember when Zach came in after that follows towards the end and he was a lippy bugger, he was a smart ally, but he just locked him, because he would put, he's exactly what you want in your team. He's someone who'll back himself, who'll push himself, he'll get stuck into the opposition, as we said, he's got 50 grand with the fines, but when push comes to shove, he's someone that I would trust, and by the look of his reaction, you sit there and go, he was shocked, even when they played the 50, you turn around, and all he wants is, from all reports, is one of the more honest people you're seeing in football, he was also a little bit shocked. Out of this, you just don't want one of the reputations, because that both been great for game. Nick foot has been unreal, as it unplayes. What do you hear him play? Does it? 2024 grand final.

8:17And then you look at Zach, and as I said, for someone who I hated playing against him, because he was fast, he was agile, who give you a lippy, you know, when you're old and slow, as you did numerous times in my last couple of years, but he's someone who you respect because of how he goes about it, and he doesn't seem like a player who would say that. Does the AFL side on the side of the empire? Or to the side of the empire because they need to protect the empires, or if the tribunal literally just making a decision based on the balance of probability? I don't want to jump to either side there, because it's so hard, because I think we're all sitting in the same position, we're going to sit here and go, well, if he said it, understandable, if he didn't say he can see why he's shocked. So I think the AFL need to come together, it's almost immediate and say, look, obviously, what was said, and what was heard was two totally different things, can we sit back and can you shake hands and move on, because I don't think either bloke in this situation will be deliberately trying to out the other one, if they didn't hear or say what they're saying. Did you ever have contact with empires on the field that was tenuous like this, or a little bit tense? I had a lot of disagreements with empires,

9:19because back when I was playing, you're probably a little bit more to be open. They didn't have the microphones back then. So on the flip side, I remember Goldspinke would give just as good to the players as what he would receive from the players. So the empires have sort of had to ease up a little bit, because they're obviously there being miced, and everyone hears what they're saying, but also players have had to respect the empires a little bit more of life. But I had numerous runnings, there's a couple of... Give us your best one. There was one down in Tazzi, I think I gave a free kick to Gazz Ablet, and I've let the empires know, yeah, F and Gazz, just as a joke, but that was more banter, and it recorded the empires, got it on the recording, there was another one where I was playing on Patty Dain, you're feeling the gateway for your kick, and I was joking with Razor, and Razor gave me banter back. So there's ones where you're serious, but there's also the good empires, let you know, hey, you're pushing the limit, just settle down, and I've got to that stage, multiple times throughout my career, but you get that relationship with the empires, where you know who you can push, and then when they give you a certain look,

10:19you know, hang on, I better just pull up here, because I'm going to give way of 50 or more, I don't even get fined. We'll see how it plays out tonight, but it's certainly a heavy day at the AFL, of course, the collard case will be heard at three, and then the tribunal with Zack Butters and Nick Foote, who's become a household name among, casual footy for hands in the space of 24 hours, will be heard a little bit later on. Let's broaden out Hodgy after the break. This is waitly for Australian made. When you buy certified Australian made, you're backing local businesses, jobs, and our economy right here, the Hyundai Open Line, is very much open, 13736736, enjoy early deals at a Hyundai pre-O fees on now at participating Hyundai dealers. Stay with us with Luke Hodg. It's the leadership portfolio with Luke Hodg. We've covered the big news of the day, which is the tribunal hearing at likely later on, Zack Butters versus Nick Foote. Essen and had a fantastic win. Hodgy, they broke a long drought on Saturday against Melbourne, and Andrew McGraw, as their captain, has been much more lined across the early parts of the season,

11:19but he is playing a big role in the midfield. Take us inside a club when it's struggling, and the role of a captain and the housing division, that can be in the turning form around. Yeah, well, first of all, the amount of student supporters that could actually sing their song after about 320 odd days, so they will start to get to a half-time, it didn't look great considering, I think there were 12 or 15 points up with about 10 minutes ago, and then their second half was really good, but you sort of look at the toll of the impact that's taken on their leaders. Obviously, he was Zack moving, trying to move, and then coming back, they had to take him out a leadership group, and a lot's fallen on Andrew McGraw's shoulders, considering you look through and the leaders from last year has continued on this year, Redmond, he's not playing, because he's obviously heard himself from Martin who had his injury last year, who was in the leadership group. He's obviously not out there, and they've got Darum, Cornwell and Farini, who's in the leadership group for the first time. So, this is a bloke who's been thrown in the captain's seat, the bloke who was captain has been removed from there, and his other guys that were, apart from Langford,

12:19have been injured. And I think for him, he's been almost on the weekend as a bit of a Mr. Fixett. They throw him in right here, and done any set of bounces, or very few set of bounces up until this week, and he had 24 on the weekend. And I just had a look at the first quarter and a half, and a lot of the set of bounce soppages, he was went and stood beside and cos he picked it. And I don't think it was there as a hard tag, as a hard role, but it was just more at the soppages. You have had that defensive side of your, in the back line, you've played on him while he's been as a forward, you're just going to keep a bit of an eye on him. So, you're feeling for him, cos he's trying to understand himself, as a leader, as a player, what does a club expect from him as a captain? At the same time, his role across half back, they're trying to probably get a little bit of flexibility with him as well. Pushing him into the midfield to be that shut down. I mean, if they do need that moving forward. Is it possible to properly captain a team, and this might sound ridiculous from my angle, but I want your view, from the back pocket in McGraw's role? Like, does he need to be further out the field? Does he need to be playing half back, or wing,

13:19or actually in the midfield? It depends what you want from your captain. So, does anyone need from McGraw? First of all, they need a lot of those other leaders to be out there, because captain is no good unless they've got five or six blocs around him that are doing and saying the same message to the players is what the captain's doing. So, you can cap them from anywhere on the field, but you need your colleagues at the other leadership members to be all spread around the ground. I know that we had a few times where we brought some forwards. When we had ruffy injured, we would bring some forwards in as a leadership group. Because we needed them to be preaching the same messages as what we're saying in the midfield and the defense. So, where he plays doesn't really matter. He can do it from the back pocket. Because what he can do is, from the back pocket, you can see ahead of you on the field. You can be still given messages to your half back, after goals, you can be pushing up, letting your mids know are they many up, are they squeezing? Should they spread out a little bit? You can see the game a lot better from behind the ball to be able to teach and structure your teammates. But being in and around the contest, you'll look what Penelope's been able to do for years

14:20while he was captain. Having a midfielder who can do both. Play midfielder and have a bit of an impact when you need to, or maybe go in there and shut someone down as a selfless leadership role, or sit across half back and be able to direct from that. How much you're feeling or watching Patrick Krips at the moment and how difficult is it as a time for a captain like Krips at Carlton who is playing the best he can possibly play? But clearly he can't do it all and equally, he's not the play that he once was because his body is so banged up. I think his body's banged up, but also the game hasn't helped him. You sort of look at how they've changed the roughball, which has taken away a lot of, a lot of, a lot of Brian, for instance, from Adelaide. It's taken away. He strengthens the roughman and he's given to the more athletic roughman. You look at Reeves, Meek dominated the roughball for all the last couple of years. All of a sudden there, they're split at 50-50 because Reeves, with the jumping rule, it brings advantage to his way and Meek can do his stuff around the ground. What it's also doing is it's taken away that bigger bulky midfielder that teams have built up for years.

15:20All of a sudden, Carlton, Carlton is so good at contest position and they're still really good now, scoring from stoppage because that bigger bulky midfielder but it's the next phase it gets you. It's the spread from a contest. It's the turnover. It's the scoring from turnover because you can go from contest to contest. That's where it's starting to affect them. And you look at Carlton, they build up that list to be a bigger inside bigger body midfielder but then all of a sudden because of a couple rules, all of a sudden, it's like, oh, hang on, our list is too dominant one way. So that's what they've got to throw in the younger kids who probably can't have a consistent impact or shit. And if you look at crypts, I felt for Carlton because the biggest knock on Carlton over the last 18 months has been their second half. You can't run out of second half. There's crypt gets tied. So what you look through and say, well, when's the best time for us to give him the rest early? So he can have energy late in the game. Unfortunately, when Adelaide got a spray it caught a tie and from Nick's starting to skip on the bench probably wasn't the ideal time. Maybe if he did need two rotations, maybe give him the first five minutes in there just to get the tempo

16:20of the game. Have the stoppages go on their way and then maybe give him a six to ten minutes off and then maybe take him off from 20 to 25. Because what we saw, when teams get a spray from their coach, it can lift them in. If you look at doors, when was able to do? They go out there. They win the first five or six clearances. They got the first four or five goals on the board and then crypt gets back on the board. So it's the six minutes going in the second quarter. So I can understand why they tried to do it. But on the flip side, maybe start skipping the best stoppage play probably in the competition on the ground at that when it's really hot to start the quarter. Is there a world where the captain can say, no, I'm starting on the ground here. I'm not starting the second quarter on the bench. I don't think so. Because we've gone past out of a skip percent I need to be here. Especially early on in the game. Because what you're trying to preach to your players is it's an even workload. I'm no more important than you. You're no more important than me. And we need other people to take responsibility. So what, Carlton? What, Carlton could go back as a leadership point of view this week and go, well, who's stood up?

17:20So your skip is on the bench. Who are the guys who rotated through that midfield? In the first five or six minutes that second quarter, what did you do? And what will you do next time when crypt is in there? So you can take it as a learning chance for these other guys. Because crypt is not always going to be there. And what they need to start to do moving forward is throw these young guys in there and have responsibility to own that stoppage and not let five clearances come out straightener. In a row, you need to change up your stoppage. They'll figure out who was talking, who wasn't talking. And next time they get that opportunity with their crypts, they'll be better for it. Inside midfielders seem to be less fashionable than they ever have been. I'm talking inside midfielders who aren't great runners. So Tom Mitchell's not on a list this year. And Tom Mitchell, I think, is pretty clearly in the best 800 players in the country. But there's no room for him. George Schubert, who won the best and fairest at Carlton last year, is out of the team. The game is shifting. Is it shifting a long way away from the midfielders and what's the future for these sorts of players? Well, it all depends on where the rules get changed again. If they want the game to continue to go fast, it's

18:20where the AFL sit back and go. With a game on too fast, we need to slow it down because we've got too many soft tissue injuries, which is totally different from what they have made the rules for this year. But there's no doubt those bigger body midfielders are losing their spot. The same as I mentioned before about the small bulkier wrestler rockman because of the changes that they've made. There's even talk of his crypto better to go to West Coast to teach a Harley Read and a few of these other guys. So then, Carlton can get some more agility and some pressure blocks through the middle. Yeah, it's unfortunate for those bigger body midfielders. There's obviously Raoul, who's come under question, but he's sort of added a little bit of speed and he's got a little bit of toe and a bit of use in there as well. But those style suppliers are definitely sort of on the back end of what at least manages looking for. Hodgy, the reputation and the standing of Alex Pierce in the game is growing week by week, isn't he? At Freemantle. When you look at Alex Pierce, can you envisage a

19:20premiership captain? Do you think the dockers have it in them? And do you think Pierce has it in him? Yeah, I think the harder thing for Pierce was he's played a hundred and forty three games and he's well, how long has he been nine? This is 10 to you. I think it is. So you look for a blog like that is what you need as a consistent fallback who is known as a great defender and a great leader is consistency and unfortunately his body hasn't let him do that. So I think over the last nine years, he's three times he's played 20 more games. There's been one season where he's played every game. So one thing that goes against him and his mentality is consistency in the role. But once he's out there, you see the impact that he has for Freo and he knows the time to stand up. I think it was the smother against Adelaide a couple weeks ago. Right on the run on the death knock and then obviously the match went against Port. Last year where he pushed forward and we thought, what's he doing pushing forward? Because we've never seen him do it before. But he's got that flexibility. But I think one thing you do notice when he's there, he puts his body on the line. He's got some good fates. He's quick and he's strong. But yeah, if you talk to the people over at Freeman or

20:20they praise him highly for his leadership, you sit down and have a talk with him. He's a great player. And what you see is not what you get. On the 35, you see the big long hair and your same run around telling his body everywhere. But when you speak to him, he's softly spoken. Really nice guy. Are we sleeping on Freo? They're second on the ladder and they've got West Coast, Carlton and Essin and three of the next five. How good are they? Well, I think a lot of those tipped them as top four this year. I think they're the list is their forward line is outstanding. They needed a little bit of X factor throughout the middle and they've been able to find that with Reed sort of going in there when they've had obviously so wrong and break short. The big discussion of Darcy and Jackson. And we know Kane loves that discussion on have with Jackson is without Darcy. We're just waiting for him to take that step. And I think what they did learn last year. They should never have lost that final against Gold Coast. Being up at that position, let them come back. I think that's the thing. Being up at that position,

21:20let them come back. You'll learn a lot from those losses. So I think we're sort of sitting back down. If they have learnt what we expect them to be, then top four is definitely a chance and if they get some home finals over there. Look out. Yeah, yeah. And the way they're playing and the way they're winning Ugly now is probably a distinction from what Adelaide are doing. Adelaide are playing some good foodie, but unable to win week to week on other beet cards. And Wes Fremant will seem to be winning Ugly, which is important. Yeah. There it is. That's the thing. You look at teams that, teams mindset is, if you shut down so wrong, who's the next person to step up and we've seen Bratial do that a bit, but what you do need, if you look at the depth of what the Brisbane Lions have, Freo need that. They need more bloats going through to be able to handle it if they've so wrong. Get shut down if Bratial has got to have an abad game. Who was the third, fourth, fifth midfielder that they can throw in there as an option for the coaches? They can still have that impact because what we've found over the last two, three years is when those guys get shut down, they haven't had that person to step up. How'd you do? The topic of discussion last night on a particular TV show, I want to get to that in a few moments

22:22time. Luke Hodg is here for Alex Scott and staff to sell your livestock or sell your home. It's now time for the latest news headlines with Nathan Gardner. Thank you Nathan. I want to ask you about the Hawks, Hodgie. So, Cal Shadeer, does he come in because Marbio Choles out, or do you give a, maybe a day boo for young Wilma Cabe, so there's a spot there in the fourth line to be taken? Yes, I think Wilma Cabe's going to get his chance at some stage. I think Cal Shadeer, if you look through, his form hasn't been ideal down at Box Hill. I think he had one goal last week, nothing that week before two, that was two the week before that. But I feel that Cal Shadeer is a better player at ASL level. If you see what he's been able to do, when they move the ball faster and you get it down to an athletics center, half forward, who can take a good clunk. I feel that he's level is ASL level, but unfortunately for him, you've got Mitch Lewis, who's come back who, he's the last two games, or last game and a half, has been out there. And he's got to be a gutter, he's been superb as well. And Marbio has been good for Sam over the last two years, so they wanted to give those guys a chance. I think Cal Shadeer is going to be the person to come up, but I'm looking forward to, so

23:27we'll finally get his opportunity because he's got a bit of athleticism for a big boy. Matthew Lloyd on footy classified last night was talking about Harley Reed, and you've got to mention Hodgie. I just wonder whether they've tried a different voice. So outside of the West Coast, he was like, imagine sitting Harley Reed down with a Luke Hodg, when the next in Melbourne. Would you be open to a coffee with Harley Reed, Hodgie? Well, Harley reached out through Alex Whitton last year. So when he was in Brisbane, we were supposed to catch up, but Mocko, I had more sons, Brent Final on sport, and I was supposed to be on team afterwards, but everybody got pushed back with all the presentations and I had to cancel on him. So he has Reed set the average hat. I am heading over the Perth late May, so if the diaries align, I might be able to sit down with them as a payback. But he has Reed set out, but I feel he's paying like there's stages where he's showing a lot of maturity with the way he plays football, but then there's obviously that young guy in him who still, he used to push and shove his way around in junior football and get

24:28a well that now teams are picking at him as a 2021 year old, which it would be frustrating. And I showed the same frustrations as a kid as he has. So there's different tactics that he can try to get away, but it's also there's a little bit on his team as well. He needs a lot of help from those senior players, just to sort of give him a little bit of a chop out. How do you get through those frustrations as a young player? There are certain things that you've got to look at because if I sat down and I'll show me since what I did and how it does hurt the team and the culture and all the other stuff, but it's also, you've got to open eyes that as soon as you do it once, guess what? One person's going to say it, then the team's going to say it, then the next team's going to say it, all of a sudden you've got the whole side targeting you in a certain area. It's the same as clapping at the crowd because if you start clapping at the crowd as he's done in the past, people are going to say, well, he's easy to get to and it's a mindset thing. So, and this comes with pointing things out to him, but it also comes with natural maturity. In four years' time, he's going to sit back and go, yep, I was silly doing that, but he went through it and he learned from it.

25:29But hopefully for his sake and West Coast sake, you can fast track that. Now, I've got some draft watches who keep a very close eye on your son, Hodg, he tells me, Cooper Hodg, 21 Disposals in a very impressive performance for the Lion Academy on the weekend. What advice are you giving him at the moment? I don't give him much advice. I'll leave that to the coaches. If he comes and asks about certain things, I'll help him out, but I left that gathering around a little bit earlier to go and watch him and it was a good game against GWS. So they've got, they've placed Sydney this week for BHA, and then they make a trip and they open every now and then to play a few of the talent league sides down there. So it's exciting when you've got your kids going through sport and they're enjoying what they're doing and it's great to watch. Hodg, terrific as always. Look forward to seeing you on an agenda set us tonight. Thanks, Tom. I gave you nothing then. Absolutely fine. Straight bad as always. Luke Hodg, joining us for Alex Scott and staff to sell your livestock or sell your home. I do love the leadership portfolio every week with the four-time Premiership Star from Hall for all.

26:29All calls 1-300-736-736 on the Hyundai Open Line. It tells what you think about this afternoon's tribunal hearings, whether it's Lance Collard, whether it's Nick Foote versus Zach Butters from Port Adelaide with Oli Wines in there as well. It's certainly contested and we're just wanting to hear exactly what time that later tribunal hearing will be heard if it's heard today at all. Stay with us on Weightly. Luke Hodg joined us for the leadership portfolio. Luke can catch up on that chat covering an array of various topics on the podcast app. This is from Matt Ingembrook. He texted through saying, hopefully he's at least giving his son Cooper some advice to get to the Hawkes, Tommy. It would be a travesty of Cooper players for Brisbane. That's from Matt. That will be a storyline throughout the year as Cooper Hodg's form continues to improve. We also talked about Patrick Cripps and Dom is on the line from Burwood wanting to discuss the Carlton Captain. Welcome, Dom. Right. This trade Cripps and his finish is just absolute garbage. He's leading midfield as a contested position that's 14 to heart.

27:34The issue is it's all coaching. The way we set up, we set up defensively at the centre bounce about players behind the ball. We have no one in front of the stoppage and no one on the outside. Tell me, how do you reckon, do you reckon Carlton would have kicked seven goals in the first quarter without him on the weekend? No, no way. He is the conductor. He's obviously got problems with his money. That's pretty obvious. It's not the ploy he was where he can't explode away from the stop with the ball. But he is the number one with feeding it out and that's our whole issue. And the same with George Hewett, they need to alternate the two of them. It's all coaching. It's all the way we set up defensively. It's the same with the only team that for three years, we don't have to kick out from full back. We don't take notice of the 30 metres, we don't take notice of the stand rule. Cripps is not our problem. He is not in our top 20 problems and it's about setting up in an attacking mind.

28:39And the amount of time we lose the second position out of the middle because of the way we set up. And just going back to when he was on the bench, which was the wrong thing, and I got four clearances from four free kicks. One of them was there, the others really weren't. And we just got it. It's about using him. He's not what he was, but my God, he is a conductor. And how good was he's going on the weekend? You know, I'm with you, Dom, on the importance of Cripps. I'm not pushing Patrick Cripps out the door, that's for sure. The only way you even thinking about it is if he's desperate to go back to Perth and there's no indication of that either. He's such an important player for them. And that is why I think it was actually ridiculous that he started the bench, started on the bench in the second quarter and no one can tell me otherwise. So I'm happy to listen to Michael Voss in a media conference talk about it and try to understand what he's saying. But when I have other former greats giving diametrically opposed views to that, then I'm also happy to listen to that. I just think that you, that Sam Walsh had 15 in the first, Michael, Patrick Cripps had

29:4012 while started in the four line and Cripps started on the bench, it just made no sense. And I hear about the free kicks, but I still think it was a bad error from Voss. And I think we're probably on the same page when it comes to that. We appreciate your call. Let's go to Dez and Kuwi Rupp. Morning, Dez. Morning, Tom, lovely work. Well, a little bit of offstanding you just to share that. The Mark Blitzard's tiny 300 is going this week. Now, you've been around long enough in the modern era, Tom. Would he have to be? I've got another point after this too quickly. Yep. Would he have to be the most underrated footballer of the modern era? Oh, jeez, you're putting me on the spot there. He's right up there, Premiership Player, All Australian, two-time best and fairest, Ruck, Wing, Forward, Back. He's arguably belongs the most valuable player of the last 10 years, because he can play so many different positions. A most underrated player list wouldn't be a bad one for later in the week, but he's certainly up there, Dez. Yeah, I thought, thanks, mate. And just a quick shout out to the SCN family. If someone, my Wingenmate Bulldog fan, he reckons since Brent Harvey's 300th game against

30:47the Bulldogs. The next three, he's 400th was against the Bulldogs. The record breaking was against the Bulldogs. Can someone out there that knows these stats tell me in the last 10, 15 years, how many times the Bulldogs have come up? Because they've got Blitzard's 300th this week, and how many times have they had a milestone game against them in the last 15 years? If someone could form you that stat, that would be awesome. We've got a couple of guys at the back, Oli and Bruxie, who are absolute Bulldogs nuffs, including the Salty Dog as well, who panels here sometimes. Between those three, I can make you come up with a stat for you there. Dez, it's really appreciated. If you want to have your all say this morning on any of the topics we've discussed, anything that's happening in 40, please do so. The Hyundai Openline is 13736736. I enjoy early deals at Hyundai pre-o fees on now at participating Hyundai dealers. And 043, 398, 1116 is the 40 wings temper tax. The difference is temper. Some text messages coming through, hello Tom, it's Anthony here. I'm a former police negotiator and communications and negotiation expert. I've got to say, when someone starts a text message like that, I'm right into it.

31:50I'm waiting to hear what's next. It is very likely, from my view, that the umpire heard something said and believed genuinely, it was inappropriate. It can also be very true that Zach did not say this, a near-all draw in my view. If there's not enough evidence in either direction, the rule of law, balance of probabilities should apply. The formal standard is comfortable satisfaction in AFL terms, I believe. I actually agree, we don't like nuance in 40, we like black and white, we like saying this person's right, this person's wrong. I think there's every chance here that Nick Footen misheard something and that Zach Butter was actually didn't say anything inappropriate or reportable or finable. I think there's probably a middle ground there as well. We may never know exactly, but I don't think either is getting up there and knowingly lying about what's going on. This is from Peter. Tom, when the butter's umpire incident occurred, the majority of the crowd was already brewing the free kick before the 50 was paid. In that level of noise, it's hard to see how either party could clearly hear what was said, both Oli and Butter's visibly shrugged in confusion at the decision.

32:53Also, even if, and it's only a big if, Butter said the phrase, it's been suggested. It has a double meaning and I read this message in the ad break and I hadn't thought of this. It can just as easily mean you get paid how much to make that decision as in questioning the quality of the call rather than accusing the umpire of cheating. Context matters. Cheers, Peter. And this one from Tom. Tom, I remember saying a young Luke Hodge in only his second season, turned three giving an answer. A cheap shot in the face. As Archer flew up for a mark, no report was made as amps and MRO didn't pick it up. That's how sneaky it was, asking about it tonight. I think that's probably a question we can put on the agenda for Jared. Next week, Glen Archer versus Luke Hodge is a is a fantastic battle in a of itself. David's in Jalong wants to talk about Zack butters. You can be part of the conversation as well. One three hundred seven three six seven three six. Morning, David. Yeah. Get out. Tell me how I am. Well, thanks. Well, that is exactly my point this morning that you have two cases where it's essentially

33:56relying on one word versus the other and in the collard case, you have a two VFL players that have been believed over an AFL player. And the truth of the collard case from a syncutal perspective is they believe he's been disadvantaged because of his disadvantaged upbringing. You have two VFL players from from from rural Melbourne who are comfortable in the witness box and then you have Lance collard who was very openly uncomfortable in the witness box even though he's even though his testimony remained the same the whole way and they believe that he was disadvantaged because of the setting that he's put in. And that's that's unfortunate. And then of course you're right, David. You've got a situation with Zack butters and Nick foot, which is one word versus the other. And the and the AFL has to decide comfortably or the on the balance of probability who is right and who is wrong and who is telling the truth and who's not. And that's very difficult, David. I don't know how you said. Tom, didn't the, weren't the AFL already pushing for 10 weeks? Well, they've already made their decision by the sound of that. They've made the decision on, they want 10 weeks.

34:58The tribunal has to decide whether they go with 10 or go with 8 or whether they go 6 or even less, whatever syncutal wants as well. And also Tom, how would this go if we weren't just talking about how much money do you get? What if it was a racist mark or a sexist remark or something like that? He said, she said, you know, normally when that happens, that person's hunger to draw regardless. Well, that can also be the case as well. You're right. When it becomes delicate on those topics, then it's even more tenuous and that's what we saw with Lance Collard. So does the tribunal back the word of the umpire over everyone, regardless of the evidence? Does the tribunal back the word of two AFL players? Well, they already have. So then they're going to hand down this punishment and then does the syncilda appeal? I'm not too, I'm not 100% confident that syncilda does appeal this, not certainly not as confident as I was on Saturday. So David, you're right. I think you've encapsulated the nuance pretty well there and it is a difficult one to get to the bottom of. And we may never know the truth on many of these. We're going to get the Stephen Campbell town a little bit later on after the break, stay

36:00on the line with us. If you want to be part of the conversation, you can, 1-300, 7-3-6, 7-3-6. You're listening to, waitly for Australian made. When you buy certified Australian made, you're backing local businesses, jobs and our economy right here. Waitly on SEM. Tom Morris filling in for Jared Waitly today, Matt Shervington, James Sutherland, Ash Brown, still to calm your calls and text messages, plenty to discuss. Some news out of Collingwood. I'm just getting some video footage from Swoop Luke, who is Collingwood's number one social media man of still side, but I'm just pointing to his hamstring, so we'll bring you that out of 10. Let's go to Stephen Campbell town. Get I, Steve? Hey, Tom. With AFL and Nick Fort, and everything that happened with Zach Butters, I think the AFL has made a rod for its own pack. It's allowed Tom Morris to enter into a deal with SportsPet. Now that's a conflict of interest, that's not that he's going to make the wrong decision. It's the perceived crowd people thinking that he's going to make the wrong decision because he works for a betting agency. So with the booze that are happening at the ground at that time, and there were a lot of bad decisions that happened both ways, right?

37:01He's thinking, what are they thinking? So it's his psyche that's the problem here. The problem is what is perceived to hear might be different than what was actually said. The AFL has made this scenario by allowing him to be employed by SportsPet. Yeah. That should never be allowed. I work in a government department, and we do not do procurement if there is any sort of conflict anywhere. Steve, I appreciate it, sir. We're going to get to the news. We'll cover that after that. Appreciate your time. This is the new time of the day to go. This is your town. This is your station. This is Wade Lee. Hello, Morris. In for Jared Waitley today, tomorrow and Thursday, Matt Shervington to talk about, he's about 15 or 20 minutes away. James Sutherland is just back from the Masters. What a tournament it was with Rory McAroy. Going back to back, he's going to join us out of 11 and Ash Brown, the editor of the footy record, after that as well, a huge footy record addition this week. That injury can turn down to the pies. I'm following it up as we speak. Still side bottom left the track early.

38:02Video footage from Swoop Luke on Twitter shows that he just grabbed at his hamstring. So he's played 359 games, still side bottom. He was out there for no more than 10 minutes, according to Swoop, who I'm on the text with. And we'll wait and see how serious that is, hopefully not too bad for the Collingwood Veteran. He didn't look in too much discomfort, but anytime someone of his age, born second of January 9-9-1 finishes training early, then there has to be some sort of concern, particularly before a game against Carlton this week. Another message coming through that I absolutely appreciate, and it's certainly not my error of expertise. This is from 266. Tom, I'm a barista. How do you think cases like this are resolved daily in court? Now this is referring to the butters versus Nick Footcase. The role of the arbiter is to determine whose evidence it prefers. That's an assessment of a witness's reliability and credibility that must be performed and forms the bedrock of the decision. These situations aren't that unique and the footy media seems to think so. You're right. It's not an error of expertise that I have, but I just find it interesting.

39:05That essentially you can take one person's word or two people's words over another. That's the decision the tribunal will have to make tonight, assuming it is tonight, when they sit and discuss the Nick Foot versus Zach Butters case. G'day Tom, surely with these tribunal cases that are subject to the real law as effectively being in the public eye and also media the allegations of what was said before becomes a defamation of character. There's lots of legalities here. I'm not going to get into all of them clearly. That's not my area of expertise. I love footy. I love cricket. I love talking about ass and golf a little bit later on. When these news adjacent stories pop up in footy, they're often more nuanced and more delicate as well. That's what we're seeing today at AFL House. Just the last one to wrap this up. This is from 451. The other thing to consider with Collard is the pattern of behavior. He has form having said that exact same thing previous. It matters. We'll touch on these issues a little bit later on and give you more information on still side bottom and a potential injury when it comes to hand, hopefully not too far

40:06away. There's a double header coming up this week and we're used to games overlapping in football whether it's Saturday afternoon, Saturday night or Sunday, but what's been creeping in to the football landscape in recent years is double headers on Fridays and we've got some in round six. We've got some a couple of weeks later as well after that. Dean Cox is the coach of the Sydney swans and the swans are finally in prime time on a Friday night against the Giants. The battle of the bridge, it's a game that's had plenty of spice across the years, not just with players, but also with their football boss, Jason McCartney and then with Tom Patplin and Toby Green. There's been plenty of other storylines as well. And Dean Cox discussed the notion of double headers on Friday night on 360, yes, evening. I find it quite strange to be honest. I think if you're trying to build traction and the battles that we've had with GWS have been unbelievable over the past, you know, ever since the inception, but certainly probably the past eight to 10 years and you know, to clash against two Melbourne, you know, great

41:09Melbourne clubs is just different. You know, we want to try and build as much traction as we possibly can and get the Sydney football world having their eyes on on two teams going out of it from across the bridge and yeah, there's something that is a little bit different and we'll speak to the AFL about. I think also as well that, you know, if you do a double header, you know, have a birth game following it, obviously, with the time difference, I think that's probably the only way you do it. Most other sports don't compete for the same market on a Friday night. They alternate that and put them one before the other. So it's just a little bit different, but something, you know, we'll just focus on how we can control and get as many people to the SCG as we possibly can in our third home game and try and get another 40,000 here to support us. You're being beautifully diplomatic. Coxie, are you disappointed that this is the case? You're not standalone? Yeah. Yeah, I think so, guys. I think it's a footy club we are. Yeah. I think the battles between us and the giants over the years have been close all the way

42:15through. You talk about one of the finals as well and, you know, the ability to be able to showcase that game, you know, from Sydney would be great to be a standalone. So Friday night football has double headers in round six, eight, nine and 10, round eleven as well. Sydney versus the giants should be a standalone game. As should the dogs and gelong, which is what this Friday's offering is David King on five or yesterday through up the left field solution or the scenario that North Melbourne should play five or six Friday evening games a year, a five p.m. start he suggested. And then maybe a 7.30 p.m. game later in the afternoon. It is hard. There's nine games a weekend and I think overlapping is probably inevitable unless you start them early on a Sunday or Saturday, which I'm not against, but the Friday night slot, which is the marquee slot, particularly for fans wanting to watch on TV and go the footy, a hybrid version. I think I think these double headers are a bit absurd and that's what Gary Lyne said on radio this morning as well.

43:15Dean Cox also spoke about Isaac Haney. There's a discussion in the A.F.L. at the moment as there always is about who the most valuable player in the comp is. And I was speaking to a football boss at another club up and gather around. And their firm belief is that the most valuable players aren't key forwards. They aren't in and under mids. They aren't key defenders. You can intercept or rucks. The best players in the comp, according to this footy boss, are players like Isaac Haney. They are goal-kicking midfielders and I think Dean Cox is on the same page. I've never sort of liked to compare players from different eras or different teams. So I just sort of focused on what Isaac's doing for this football club at the present time. And his ability within the contest, his ability to transition from contest to contest is really high. He's as tough as any player. I think a lot of people certainly talk about his highlight reel, but what he does around the contest is first class, he's skill and vision and he wants to play for the team and do whatever the team needs. He's in unbelief or form and he'll take players forward and also get back behind the board

44:18of support as well. So the arc has been highly enough for what he's doing for our club at the minute and hopefully it continues. Does he belong in the conversation with Bontan Pelley and Dekos? I sort of say Isaac weak to weak and what he's done the last couple of years has been phenomenal. Yeah, I think he's one of the elite midfielders in the comp alongside a couple of those and a couple of others as well. And what else has happened with the new swans at the moment is they are playing box office for you. It's entertaining to watch. And that is what Dan Cox told us in a briefing at the start of the season, he said, we are unashamedly going to try to entertain. We want to bring people through the gates. We want to be the hottest ticket in town and Eric and Isaac Haney and Chad Warner amongst others. Absolutely key to that. Yes, they're great players, but they are must watch players as well. And I think that just adds another string to their bow. Let's go to Trenton Ashwood. Get a Trent morning to you. Get a Tomat. But I think, I think if the AFL was doing it a smart way, they'd be dropping the whole Friday night trying to get a blockbuster schedule for the swans and the Giants.

45:22The, to me, the, the timeframe that makes the most sense in regards to the swans and the Giants playing is one o'clock on a Saturday afternoon because the people in Sydney don't, that don't give a raps about what, you know, a thing on a Friday night blockbuster start Thursday block. They want to, they're going to tune in when they're not got any rugby leg on. Rugby league starts at 6 o'clock on a Friday and starts at 3 o'clock on a Saturday. So to me, if they want to get as many viewers as possible watching that football game, they'd have it when there's no rugby leg on, which is at 1 o'clock on a Saturday. Yeah, so Sydney love playing the twilight, or the Giants in particular, love playing the twilight Saturday slot, but TV numbers are important as well. And I think that's important to understand what the NRL is doing up there to try to capture that market as Gerard Healey's spoken about at length. The Sydney market is still very much a work in progress. Could Cole Trent, let's go to Neil in Meadow Heights. Morning to you, Neil.

46:22Morning, who are you? Another point on this butter's interview that's not going to go away. I'm watching it again on the tally and there's at least three-cent-couldle bloats within distance of hearing something, they should be the first people that the AFL interview with the warning that if they don't tell the truth, they can also be suspended. Yeah, that, I mean, how would you know though, Neil? Like it's, there's no witnesses, there's no audio of what was said. It's literally he said, he said, and I think, I think there's actually a middle ground here where people, well, I'm not saying in this case in particular, but I do think there is a possibility when it is a contested hearing that one party believes they've heard something they haven't heard and the other party believes something has taken place, which hasn't taken place. Do you think there is a middle ground or do you say it in a more black and white way? No, well, of course the poor Adelaide players are all going to say exactly what Tobacco's team made up, but the independent people there are the security supporters.

47:24I mean, us and kill the players, so we're not supporters. They're going to just say, well, we are the dead here, but we didn't hear it. Yeah. So interview the three of them away from each other that were close. If you look at the telly, the three of them there and just see what they've got to say first. Yeah, I mean, no one's really spoken about the Saints players involved in that. My experience a while ago talking to players about and talking to clubs about these sorts of instances. I don't think players really listen to opposition players talk to unpolished. They're too focused on their own games, but it is worth noting that, there could be other witnesses around appreciate your call, Neil. Thanks for that. Morning, Tom. If Nick foot has heard or perceived that he heard the phrase, how much of that paying you, that is the ultimate insult to an umpire and I believe the reaction from the umpire is warranted. If it has been misheard, that is, that is also understandable, but trying, but tying his workers a horse racing analyst to being an umpire is a stretch at best, hopefully common sense prevails and he may have misheard what he thought he heard, although if that has been said, questioning the umpire's integrity should be treated very seriously.

48:28Some news out of the Gold Coast Sons. No or Anderson. This is big. No Anderson has been ruled out of Saturday's match against Estonan after undergoing surgery to have his appendix removed as a big blow for the Sons. Matt Shervington's not far away. There's so much happening in Australian athletics at the moment. There's no one better to speak to than Matt Shervington, the Commonwealth Games, Brian Metallist for city power, Melbourne's weather, cloudy atop of 20 city power working in all conditions to keep your power connected, essentially, essentially as Matt Shervington's next. Now back to weight league. Away. Kennedy clearly in front. How quick is it for Lockhe? It's very, very quick again. It's 997. It may come down. It is spectacular. His first Australian championship. He's a star. Gouts in front. He's coming away now from Murphy. Can he be his pickers this morning? Oh. He couldn't. Oh. 19.6. He has absolutely done what everybody thought he might, but he's done it at 18 years of age. The world will be shaking. It is seismic. How good is Bruce, the World Athletics Championships on the weekend in Sydney had those two highlights.

49:30Excuse me. And there's little doubt Australia is entering an Athletics sweet spot. It's a great place. It's a great place. It's a great place. Good highlights. Excuse me. And there's little doubt Australia is entering an Athletics sweet spot. And nicely time too. I've got to say, ahead of LA 2028. And probably more pertinently Brisbane 2032, Peter Bowle, Jess Hull, Claudia Hollingsworth. It's a name a few. All marquee names already. But nothing gets the juices flowing at more than a sprinter. And in Gout Gout and Lockland Kennedy, we have two with extraordinarily high ceilings. On Sunday, Gout Gout, smashy's own national 200 metres record becoming the first Australian to run under 20 seconds. And Lockland Kennedy became the first Aussie to break the 10-second barrier on home soil, running 9.96. It really could be a gold age. And there's no one better place to assess the landscape than Channel 7 Sunrise's host, Matt Shervington, who won bronze and qualilumpa and joined us 100 days out for this year's Commonwealth Games in Glasgow. Shervington, how are you?

50:31Good to have you on. Tom, you don't need me. You summed it up beautifully. Well done. You've got two Queensland sprinters that, as you said, by 2032 are going to be in their prime. And who knows? Like, when you look back and you list some of the most iconic Australian Olympians of all time, you think someone like Dawn Fraser, Ian Thorpe, Kathy Freeman, and then you think to yourself, why are they so good? Is it because they performed extremely well at a home Olympic Games in 56 in Melbourne and then, of course, 2000 in Sydney? And I just think someone like Gowt Gowt particularly, who's 18 years of age and will be a sprightly 24 years of age by 2032 comes around. We could see another icon in someone like him, just amazing. I mean, I use this term in the most polite way, but he is a freak. He is a freak in the best way. He is built for speed and he is built for competition like this and we saw it all culminate

51:31on Sunday to break that national record and not just break it, like he absolutely obliterated it. Yeah. And there's something about the 200 metres of well. It gives him time to separate himself from the field as he kicks around the bend. So he won't be at the Commonwealth Games. He's focusing on the world under 20 championships in Oregon, in August. But he's quicker at the same age than what you saying Bolt was. How high is he ceiling? How far can he go? Yeah, by almost half a second based on that time that we saw. And even so, in athletic world, he's been around for a little while. We've been watching this young kid come through and do amazing things at a junior level. For about a year, he really burst onto the stage when he broke, originally broke Peter Norman's 20.06 national record. That was, yeah, about 12 months ago and he's held that for the last 12 months and then he just smashed it over the weekend. When he broke Peter Norman's national record, you're saying Bolt got on social media and said, hey, this kid reminds me of me.

52:32I mean, that is the level of endorsement that he's getting. It's not from anyone else. He's not being labeled as the next you're saying Bolt. You're saying Bolt is actually saying, hey, this kid is like me. So huge amount of pressure, huge amount of expectation, but he's almost half a second faster than you're saying what you're saying was at the same age. So he's almost ahead of the game in that sense. Also too, he's got a 10 flat 100 meter run as well and probably will break 10, may even do it at the junior nationals up in Brisbane this weekend and rival Lockheed Kennedy's 100 time of 996 that we saw a couple of times over the weekend here at the senior nationals in Sydney. The ceiling, the truth is he could be anything. He's got to stay injury free. He's got to get stronger and all of the things that he's coached by, sheep at a working on at the moment, technically, and he's got huge amount of room for improvement in his 200 alone. And we saw that over the weekend where kind of the second half of that first 100 to round

53:35the bend is still not perfect. So the sky's the limit. So you were 20 when you went to Kuala Lumpur and won bronze in the 4.4 by one. How is it having the weight of a nation on your shoulders and the pressure, particularly in these sprint races where one poor millisecond or one just slightly awkward step can be the difference between glory and finishing second last? Yeah, and that's exactly right. You literally get a bad start at the wrong time and it's all over. I often will talk to school kids or other athletes and we've all heard of the 1% is right. The 1% is of the things that you do consistently and determined and you make sure you leave nothing out on the training paddock or wherever it is that you're working hard. There are two types of 1% is in our game and in any game, it could be for you, it could be anything. There's the 1% is input, which is the work that you do. But then there's the difference between a real champion and someone that just goes out

54:38there and executes and that is the 1% is output and that's taking advantage of those moments and making sure that you are ready 100%. The best example of that is probably Locky Kennedy right now. For me, he is the most efficient technical runner we've ever produced in terms of sprinters. He is just flawless. You go back and watch him run. You pause it at any moment. It is just the perfect form. He's so locked in through the core. He doesn't move his head. He breathes, nice and relaxed. Everything's moving fluidly. It's just amazing to watch. I think Gout watching his, what would you say, roughness or room for improvement is the most exciting thing. You're right. There's going to be moments that he'll execute beautifully and there will be moments where he might miss his chance. The way they're working and the way they're managing is load right now and the smart decisions they're making for him and himself are the right ones and that's why I think we'll get longevity with him.

55:39It's so exciting when you've got a potentially generational athlete coming through and you're right. Gout Gout has been around for a couple of years. He bursts under the sand. Who's this? Who's this kid? And now he just goes from strength to strength. What's he like as a person? I know he spent time with him for Channel 7 special with Bruce and Raylen Boyle. Take us behind the scenes. What's Gout Gout like the person? Yeah. Humble background and, you know, Sudanese upbringing. He was born obviously in Australia but a couple of his siblings weren't and his family obviously migrated to Australia and for a better life and that's exactly what they got in Brisbane. He went to Ipswich Grammar and one of the coolest things is when you're in year 12 or the seniors at Ipswich Grammar, you have to line up out the front when kids are arriving into school and welcome all the other kids to the school yard and apparently all the kids line up to say get out because they want to get with the champion.

56:40He's graduated now. He's got the fruit to try every once and he's he's going to he has earned the respect to as a person and earned the respect as an athlete and that's only going to continue. So Lockland Kennedy you mentioned before and he's just as exciting. He'll be at a couple of years older and he's and he's running so well in the 100 metres. That was your event, you know, you made a career out of it that's what got you started and that's what you're well known for. You said he's technically proficient but what's his ceiling? How far can he go as an athlete? You know the irony for Lockhe is essentially a broken back is led to him breaking the 10th second barrier over the last weekend because back in July he was diagnosed with a stress fracture in his back. That was the last time he raced properly before this summer and he had to go back a number of steps. He was doing Pilates week in week out.

57:40He was doing a lot of core work and really strengthening in and around his spine so that one he could recover but two he wasn't going to do it again. So as you said he's only 22 years of age, he's so young and I think if Gout wasn't around and so many people have already referred to this that he would be stealing all the headlines and he's done an amazing job to cut through the way that he has and deservedly so. He's beaten Gout in his pet event over the 200 at the Mory plant meet in back-to-back years. He's broken 10th at the national championships and has shown that he's only got more to come as well. So the thing with Lockhe which I think is most impressive aside from his technical ability is he is a competitor. So he knows how to find it when he needs it and we saw that at the national championships. He was beaten last year by Ron Browning although he had the fastest qualifying time and he learned a lot from that and he just seems to he's a smart kid.

58:41He's a really smart kid. You get a chance to talk to him. He's very switched on for a young you know 20 something old year old and that's going to pay him back to the intelligence that he has. More broadly, Australian athletics, how strong is it at the moment compared to previous generations or other eras that you've seen and have been involved? Yeah. So often Tom like we always get like waves of really a really good female cohort and the women will dominate or there'll be a particular event like pole vault which will have a really good coach that might lead to three or four athletes over a generation that will do well or the hurdles or the sprints or whatever it is. But now we have such a mixed mixed bag of champions. So we've got Nicola Olesluggers and Eleanor Paterson in the high jump and just between the two of them there you know world champions world medalists and contenders at the Olympic Games. We've also got Nina Kennedy of course who is a world champion Olympic champion in the

59:42pole vault. We've got the middle distance is just outrageous right now with Jess Hull letting just setting the world on fire in pretty much everything she turns her mind to at the moment. The 1500 of course her pet event unbelievable. But the other one is Cam Myers 19 years of age and is just a middle distance freak as well. He I was watching him run the 1500 over the weekend and it's like it's effortless like he just he puts zero effort in and just rolls around the track so easily. But then he can put a turn of pace on if he needs to as well. He's so switched on so focused and then you got Matt Denny throwing discus you know he's on the precipice of breaking a world record not an Australian record a world record and putting himself in you know Commonwealth Games you know champion contention. But then once L.A. rolls around he could be on top of the podium after getting bronze

1:00:42in in Paris. I love it. It's so much excitement around this sport which I think it's fair to say has gone through troughs and various waves in Australia across the journey and you know I remember watching you in the 2000 Olympics and I remember clearly Kathy as well but I'm not sure many younger sports fans have seen an exciting era like we're about to embark on now so it's a hundred games to go Glasgow all the screens of seven Chevrolet heading over for it are you going to be on the ground for Channel 7? Yeah we'll be covering it here we've got an amazing contention over there in Glasgow that'll be calling the events live and we'll bring you every minute of the action don't worry about that on the screens of seven. And one last one I always find this interesting when I speak to former elite swimmers or runners what's your running program now how often you're running and what are you doing? Not enough Tommy I've got to be honest with you I'm trying to I got a glimpse of you at the the Premier's lunch together round and we didn't get a chance to catch up but it's those moments where you know that when a glass of wine is put in front of you you're

1:01:46allowed to drink it now that you're retired they're the things that hold you back the most directly. Yeah especially in those sorts of penfolds events when your glasses keep getting filled up you end up never having an empty glass and it's good wine beautiful wine I know hey Chevrolet really appreciate your time thanks so much for jumping on love your work on sunrise and I'm sure we'll speak again soon. Nice on Tokyo. Cheers. Matt Shervington joining us a hundred days out from the Commonwealth Games just some news as well on the football front Zach butters tribunal hearing I can tell you will be heard at 3 30 PM Melbourne time today that's Zach butters versus Nick Nick foot at 3 30 PM today and the Lance Collard penalty will be revealed at 3 PM so Zach butters to learn his fate from 3 30 I just get the impression it's going to be a marathon tribunal hearing which is remarkable given probably the max penalty is a $1,500 fine and I'd imagine if he gets found guilty that they will appeal which will mean it will push on later into the week still plenty more to come on the McCaffay menu today Ash Brown the AFL footy record

1:02:49editor is going to join us in about 10 minutes time James Sutherland to talk all things golf the CEO of Gulf Australia he's just back from the Masters the new McCaffay drinks range stay with us on weightly for pay.com.au pay your business expenses with pay.com.au earn points and start getting rewarded today. Tom Morris filling with Jared weightly today tomorrow and also Thursday just repeating the McCaffay menu Ash Brown James Sutherland still to come will hear from Michael Voss a little bit later as on as well who's speaking this morning at Carlton the Blues remain under pressure after their loss to Adelaide last week despite an electric first quarter they in the end lost the game and there was a bit of a fade up but not as bad as previous weeks of course the Blues play Collingwood this weekend the 40 wings temper text is zero four three three ninety eight eleven sixteen the difference is temper find your personalize bedtime solution with our friendly neighborhood sleep advisers 40 wings serious about sleep the text message machine zero four three three ninety eight eleven sixteen is on fire this morning surely the message to players says

1:03:50Tony is just a stop talking to the UMS on the field there's no gray I think I mean it's a nice idea it becomes a bit more like rugby union but I think it's probably not achievable and football I think the toothpaste is out of the tube and I think there is a world where you can have respectful discussion with umpires and the best umpires do manage it very well and still understand that the players have an emotional bent to them because of course it is such a high emotional game with with high stakes so I wouldn't be a fan of no talking to the umpires I just think there needs to be respect both ways and I think often there is by and large it is I spoke to a player last night who said that Nick foot is often very respectful and very good with the players but this is not to say that on this occasion there has been a miscommunication somewhere between Nick foot and also Zach butters Tom could it morning Tom whatever happens with Zach butters hearing I don't think moving forward that Nick foot can remain an umpire and keep and keep his sports bet role he will have to choose one or the other I've thought long and hard that's from Derek

1:04:50and Brisbane I've thought long and hard about this sports bet role and I understand the optics of it but umpires are entitled to have jobs outside of football um and although I think it's a bit awkward in these sorts of situations I've seen what Nick foot does with sports bet and it is as relevant to football as what a school teacher is um as what anyone else working the gambling industry is um around racing so I'm not sure it plays a massive role I can see both perspectives but I don't think this incident alone should force the AFL to pull its withdrawal of Nick foot working for sports bet just last one here any update on the father's son and NGA draft changes no not yet we're waiting to hear what the AFL does I mean Greg Swan was on breakfast a few weeks ago I think on fireball and made it pretty clear that changes are coming in Carlton and Port Adelaide in particular in essence and of pushback they argue that these changes shouldn't come in midway through the year um because they don't get enough warning the AFL would argue and the other clubs would argue that they have got enough warning and it's just a matter of time until the clubs have to pay more for father's sons and also academy picks I mean

1:05:53I think St Kielder's view I think they're on the record of saying this is that she just ripped the band out off and at least the first round should be completely clean of any father's sons or academy players so wait and see what the league does here but there's certainly being lobbied from all different angles Ash Brown is up next from the 40 record for weightly pay.com.au pay your business expense with pay.com.au earn points and start getting rewarded today. Weightly on SEM. You can catch up with our chats with Matt Shervington who is terrific on the current very bright state of Australian athletics on your podcast app and also Luke Hodge the leadership portfolio a little bit earlier but this week is an unusual week I'd love to know how many times this has happened where there's been two players each playing their 300th game in the same week and I'd imagine it happens occasionally but it is special not just because it's happening together but because also these two players are really icons of their two clubs Mark Bussarves and Locky Neal both reached the 300 game milestone this weekend and joining us to discuss what it means for the AFL record is the AFL record editor Ashley Brown.

1:06:56Ash, good to see you again. Hello Tom, good to be with you. What does it mean for the 40 record when you've got two guys that are achieving something so special on the same weekend? Well we have a long standard tradition of putting 300 game players on the cover. It's been a tradition of ours probably for the last 25 years. It was a tiny peak rule from back in the day when he was sort of the head media guru at the AFL and the AFL record team was instructed accordingly. We've got, we've actually got five covers this week, believe it or not but they obviously they're the national cover we've made Mark Blutser so that'll be the cover for several games and how did you choose that? Well on the basis that one of the 300 game players spoke to the record and one chose not to. Locky Neil will give him some credit. It's been a pretty difficult time for him so I've no issues whatsoever if he's limiting the media around his milestone game. So I have no problem with that whatsoever but we end up a guy called Ben Guthrie who is the brother of Cam and Zach at Jolong, a former really good AFL media journalist and a family family. The Blutserbs and the Guthries are family friends and I think Sunbury Football Royalty

1:08:00as I understand it. So we've listed Ben here to have a sort of a Q&A with these great Mark Blutserbs who I've not noticed a lot of media over the Chinese. He's been one more low profile 300 game players. Yeah. Do you have done media with Mark Blutserbs? Not many. He's very balanced and polite when he does talk but he's not putting himself out there and he's not exactly shirking it either. He's just likes to play the game. We had a call a call up before and say he's just about the most underrated player of the modern era. Where would you rank him on that list? I'd be up there as underrated if he'd give me up there for underrated. I think he would be there. He just goes and bad. He's busy with minima fast and you walk away from game saying sometimes he didn't really notice him and you look at the stats and actually now he had a profound effect on the game and he's up against swinging around. He's the athletic rockman, wingman, and then stick him down back and just a success story because he played a bit of as Ben's pace explains. He played a bit underage footy in the Sunbury area but then it was athletics and basketball or his passions. Yeah. And it's the old and Stephen Wells being the genius he is. Someone I think might have been the referee saying it planted a bit of line to Stephen

1:09:05Wells saying we've got the boots as he's got an athletic background but he was a good footballer back in the day and so that started the conversation and planted a seed and I think when he didn't get to the 2012 Olympics as a steeple chaser, that's when he decided to take the footy seriously. And it changed the course of history for Geelong. You can argue they wouldn't have been as successful as they'd been since then without Mark Bissar's being able to play wing, set off back, forward occasionally in the ruck and also in the midfield, a remarkable football and an amazing athlete. And so how have you covered Lockheed Neal then because I'm not trying to trivialise what's happened recently with him off the field but regardless of that, he has had one of the more interesting careers from Frio, contracted to Brisbane, wanted to get back, stayed at the lines now as out of contract. I still feel like there's a few more chapters to write alongside his brown low medals and also premierships. Yeah, well, the approach for that one was that Peter Blutcher, who's our sort of Queen's and Correspondent, like a better word and regular on this show now, he, he, well,

1:10:07I'll click on the play management world, so he told the story of how the Brisbane's campaign to recruit Lockheed Neal started over a succulent Mexican meal at a restaurant in Darwin. I think whichever was Neal's last year with Fremantle, Frio was up there playing Melbourne in one of those Darwin games and then we'll hang around the next day. So they went to a discreet little Mexican place somewhere in Darwin and the Brisbane gave their pitch. Didn't think much would come of a Scottish police establishment settled in Fremantle but then the end of the year, the end of the season kind of, as you don't know, he's actually interested in pursuing this. So that's where the, and then it was a really complicated, as before the after 2018 season, that's right. And unbelievably complicated trade that you would be all across better than I would, evolving. Chad Wingard and a bunch of players of Wingard from Port to Hawthorne and so on involved in all this as well, very complicated trade. But sometimes you just sit down over a meal, give him a pitch and then three months later

1:11:09get the job done. Get it done. And he wanted to leave Fremantle my memory is because he was frustrated at some of the professionalism of his team mates and even when they offered him a contract extension and more money, the Ross line was a coach at the time. He said, no, I can't play alongside some of these guys, we're not on the same page. Yeah, and he's one of, he's a superstar of the game who's never sort of had a Victorian element to his game because he's from South Australia, went to Frio and now applies to trade in Queensland. So he's never sort of, he's a superstar for not, who hasn't played for one of the Victorian clubs. And the locking kneel sweepstakes I think will be a story as the year goes on as well. All over that later in the year. I find it fascinating because I don't, I don't think he's locked in to going back to Perth him and he might stay in Brisbane, but I think there's clubs in South Australia and Victoria that would like to talk to him as well, particularly if he's form stays strong and his body stays. But what will you just stay in Brisbane then? Well, there might be a world where he gets a bit of deal from somewhere else. Someone is offering him a two year deal with triggers for a third and more money and the, his Brisbane time just comes to an end. It's been put to me that, actually, Brisbane might be slightly even going because it would

1:12:11help their case to keep Zack Bailey. Well, a bit more money with Zack Bailey and also how much midfield time he's going to get at the Brisbane lines moving forward with Ashcroft and some of these other guys coming through. That's a conversation, but later, you'll never be able to go into that. Not everything is trade. What else have you got in the AFA record this week? Well, it's a rivalry week as well. We've got three rivalries that have covered up. The big one, Thursday night, Carlton Collingwood and we sort of wonder where that fits into the rivalry later these days. Tom and Paul. Yeah, it's sort of the most traditional one. I think of what I was growing up and, and players who played for both teams. So I think of Heath Scotland, Nick Bryan and I think of Daisy Thomas as the main ones, but they were bitter rivals back in the day. Well, I remember, oh well, I remember guys like Ray Byrne and Russell Olsson crossing from Carlton Collingwood from Carlton Collingwood, Peter McKenna being the most famous seven games for Carlton. The, oh, I know it is rivalry, they haven't played finals since 1988. At quarter time of the preliminary final in 2023, I had visions of Carlton Collingwood grand final and we had the record cover design for that grand final. We had, we had several punters contact us who know how we operate after the game saying,

1:13:16can you send us the cover anyway of what the record would have looked like had it have been Carlton Collingwood grand final, which we don't do. We've got spiked it once that's what done. We don't make those things available. We don't, I'm getting out there, but I had visions of what are we, we're in the greatest grand final, just the build up, like in the game, it would have been the greatest grand final of last 30 years. Just imagine if it ever happens. The barking at each other from both sets of supporters would have been absolutely ridiculous. Ash, where can people find the April record? I can grab the record at all games this weekend for six dollars. Love it. Thanks for your time. Good to be here. Ash Brown joining us from the AFL record, James Sutherland isn't far away. The CEO of Golf Australia to discuss the masters and various other golf issues around the country and around the world. Tom Morris filling in for Jared White leave this morning, Wednesday and Thursday appreciate all you calls, all your text messages on the 40 wings tempered text, 0433, 9811 16. We'll be taking some more calls a little bit later on the Hyundai Openline 137367366 is the number. Just been following this story regarding steel side bottom at Collingwood.

1:14:18I have spoken to the pies. He did leave the track early clutching at that leg or that hamstring, but he also got a corky on the weekend. So we're just waiting to hear whether it is just soreness from the corky or indeed he has heard himself with a more serious soft tissue complaint. So we'll know more after training. I think even Craig McCray is speaking this afternoon as well. So he'll be able to clarify that, but when we have more information, I'll bring it to some other news around today. Noah Anderson will miss this week's game against Essinan. He has an operation on his appendix. He's having that out, which is no good for him. All the suns. He's such an important player. The captain and Zack Butter's tribunal here and will be heard at 3.30pm Melbourne time this afternoon. That will be a huge moment in the AFL with Butter's as his foot. James Sutherland's up next. Yes, Tom Morris filling in for Jared Wightley. James Sutherland isn't far away. If you've missed any of the show or want to catch up on a Luke Hodges leadership portfolio, Matt Shervington on Australian athletics was fantastic. G out, G out, being the centerpiece of that, because he's just going from strength to

1:15:22strength round end of 20 seconds the first time. And Australian has done that in a 200 metres race. Ashley Brown on two 300 game milestones all on your podcast app. Most milestones, of course, Mark Blissarves on Locking Neal this weekend. As an aside, I also noticed that Cal Tumi has ranked Nick Deikos's best games, one to 99 on the AFL website. And you can say whatever you want about Nick Deikos, but I reckon about 80 of those games have been absolutely superb. So have a look at that content. That's right up the alley of anyone in a digital age just to have a look to see which one is number one. I'm trying to think what I would put number one is certainly had many good games, Nick Deikos. Aurora McAroy is having the time of his life over at Augusta. He was 12 under when he won. What was that yesterday morning? Just holding off Scotty Sheffler. And the Aussies perform pretty well early. Jason Dane, particular in the first couple of rounds, but then they faded. He was the best of the Australians at five under. We'll get to James Sutherland in a few moments' time. I want to have a listen to Justin Longmeow, the Freo Coach speaking on AFL 360 last night.

1:16:25I actually don't mind if the rule was a little bit hesitant when it came in, but I don't mind the rules. Keeping the ball in play. It's keeping him transition more. Yeah, but we've got to be careful of going to the arc. That's an interesting start. You get a bit of a sense that it happened every time on the weekend, but only three times. But a lot of the rules have been brought in to quicken up the game. So to go to review on some pretty obvious, obviously out of bounds, rules doesn't really make a lot of sense. So we've got to watch how much time is taking out of the game for sure. Yeah, I agree with you all on this. I think there's only four and a half a game less so. So I think as well, if we're trying to speed the game up, going to the arc just delays it even more. So we've got to, as football clubs, if a decision is made just the way it is, well, you've got to crop it and deal with it. So I'll like the idea of keeping the ball in transition as low as quickly as you possibly

1:17:26can. I think with the four and a half times that is happening, it's not been too much of a detriment either. Yes, I'm on the right show here. I think the arc will continue to be a source of discussion for the rest of the years. The AFL just tinkers with the best practice and the best way to use it, making sure they get the right decisions in the most timely way possible. As I mentioned earlier, Rory McAroy has won back-to-back Masters tournaments. It was just engrossing to watch on the TV yesterday morning. The most golf majors since 1986, Tiger Woods 15 and the Nick Fowldo, Phil Mickelson and Rory McAroy six apiece. Unequivocally puts him in the next bracket and the good thing is we get to see him in Australia in just a few months' time as we did in the summer. He'll be at Kingston Heath for the Australian Open in the summer coming up and James Sutherland was over at the Masters, he's the golf Australia CEO and I believe he's just got off the plane. James, welcome to the show. Oh, thanks Tom. Good to be with you. You just flying in, tell us about the Masters, what it was like to be there, paint a picture for us.

1:18:26Well, it was as it always is, it's a great occasion in World Golf. This one in particular is the best weather I've ever seen, in fact, they were also in the broadcast. It was actually the greens and other areas, of course, were starting to ground off a little bit by the time the weekend came, but yeah, it was a topsy-turvy sort of, I guess, last week or weekend for Rory and they were obviously thrilled to have secured him as our market flight to Australia. And I couldn't like it, they said liking doesn't strike too much for us with him winning two years and the end of each year coming and flying in our Australian Open. Does his price go up a bit now? He's won another Masters or have you signed a rock solid contract? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, manager of an hour before Rory hit off and just confirmed that everything was on track and he can turn to me that just had a fantastic time in Australia

1:19:29last year. We've got the blueprint, we know what to do, we love it down there and we can't wait to get down. Tell us about the Masters as a tournament more broadly. We know the Masters will always be the Masters, the certain elements that are particular to that tournament, not just in the way it's set up, but also the no phones, the way the commentators or the media describe patrons, not fans and various other intricacies. But what can we take or what can you take from the Masters and implement in Australia that would make golf better here from a professional standpoint? I think one of the unique things about the Masters is that it is played at the same golf course every year, which is unlike any of the other majors, which is just sort of shared around. And that in itself, given, I guess in many ways Augusta National Golf Club was established with the views of hosting a championship every year, they've built a model and I guess

1:20:34a model of economic sustainability that allows them to continue to invest in the tournament and I would just, by the way, for example, there was quite a lot of media coverage about the player facility that they built in the off season. It is quite extraordinary, I mean, it's a huge three-story building that looks as I was being there for 30 years, but it's absolutely brand new and all of the players, I didn't see it for a stand, but the players and coaches and others that did have access to it, but I spoke too soon. It was just like nothing else in World Golf. What does it say? I suppose that's the example. That's just an example of things that are out of reach for us, but it still sets the standard like no other there. We want players to want to come to our event and I think the Masters is obviously the ultimate ticket. It's quite an exclusive event in terms of the number of players that can play it, but excuse

1:21:38me, for us, it's very much about the end of a long year, which is when our Australian opening is on, we want international players to want to come down to Australia and have a great experience. Part of that's playing on great golf courses, part of it is also us walking out to them as best we can. Is there a sense of familiarity as well with Augusta? The fact that people go back the same time or about the same time every single year played the same course, they can be replicated here, I understand it would be difficult to have, let's say the Masters, sorry, the Masters, the Australian opening at Kingston Heath or Royal Melbourne every single year, but is there a world where you could rotate between two or three golf clubs for an extended period of time? Or is that not feasible? No, I think that's something that we would like to get to. I think in, as I understand it, the RNA and the open chapter in the UK has a sort of commitment, I suppose, to the old courses in Andrews to play there every five years. And that sort of thing, I mean, we're blessed really, particularly here in Melbourne to

1:22:44have a number of genuinely well-class golf courses that we could rotate around as you and many of you listeners will know, Tom, the economics of joint golf is somewhat different here in Australia where we don't have the significant television revenue and we do have a level of reliance on state government support and tourism dollar, I guess, tourism investment to make these events viable. So to some extent, we need to work with our relevant state governments and build that proposition, having that certainty and looking further ahead is definitely something that we aspire to. We're talking to James Sutherland, the CEO of Golf Australia, former CEO of Cricket Australia as well, and the father of Tom Annabelle and Will, Tom, of course, what's he off now about? Plus four, and Will being the captain of the Victorian team and Annabelle making double hundreds for fun in test cricket. So you've got some great pedigree in your family, but when you're walking around the Augusta,

1:23:49what does the CEO of Golf Australia do, are you camping yourself on one particular hall, are you following Jason Day or Adam Scott? What was your game plan over there? Unfortunately, this year, I was basically in meetings from Iraq on Monday night and I was in meetings all the way through from Tuesday through Friday, sort of a little bit of golf on Saturday, and very little on Sunday, but one of the things for us is that it is a pilgrimage for people from all over the golf industry, and we do have an opportunity to have meeting places that allow us to catch up with people, colleagues, and business partners, and they play managers and others that, I guess, allow us to play in a head, and these sorts of opportunities a few are far between, so there wasn't a lot of golf watching, but to your point, anyone

1:24:49that has been to the Masters will know that there are just so many iconic places around that golf course to sit and watch. You can either choose to sit on a hole and watch groups come through or follow a player. It's probably a little bit harder with an acid crown that they have to walk around and follow players, but it's a nice thing to do to watch how players block their way around. I know you're a footy man. James, I've just got to break into live programming and tell our listeners a story, so still, side bottom won't play versus Carlton. He copped a knock to the hip pointer, and he'll be assessed in the coming weeks, but he won't play against Carlton. That knock to the hip pointer came during the game. Colin would have caused a play against free mantle last week, so that's a blow to the pies ahead of the game against Carlton. Tell us about participation numbers in Australia at the moment. I know, and COVID golf exploded. Are we still seeing a huge rise? If so, what else can the governing body do to continue to promote the sport? Look, the game is in root health at the moment, Tom.

1:25:52I think in some quarters, almost bursting at the same, which creates challenges in itself. I think our research suggests that around the year 2021, so five years ago, there were about 2.7 million out of Australians hitting golf balls in Australia, and last year it topped four million. That's not all members of golf, but they're not all playing around to golf. But the amazing thing is that the game, and one of the things that's really changed about golf, is that there's all these alternative formats that effectively create a huge funnel of which people are coming into the game, experiencing the game, and I think the image of the game's changing, it feels like it's a lot more accessible, affordable. It's not as stuffy as some might have had to say today, and that in itself is creating, I guess, huge opportunities, but also challenges in some areas as golf clubs. Team times get picked up, and they're awaiting lists on various golf clubs,

1:26:58membership lists, all those things, I guess, a bit of an alternative, but they create challenges as well. So when Rory McElroy comes out here later in the year, is it going to be roughly this similar itinerary forum? Because as big as he was last year, after winning the Masters, I imagine that would just be amplified after going back to back, and the attention around him will just be so strong. I think so. There's no doubt that I'm at ease. He's just gone up. His legend status has gone up at a level. We've already been planning, obviously, knowing that we have people secured, and that we're playing a kick tonight this year, allows us to plan ahead. We did our best to match the significant demand last year at Royal Mum and have record crowds, I think, 133,000 through the gates over the course of the week, and we expect something similar at Kingston East, and the way we will build the golf course and make sure that there's ample capacity is somewhat of a challenge with a slightly smaller block of land,

1:27:59but knowing the team of Kingston East, they're embracing the opportunity and the challenge, and it'll be an absolutely fantastic event, just to encourage people to. People are really about getting tickets and choosing days, because by the end of it last year, people like their run a little bit late, and when I'm able to get in on the webcam. Yes, I'm looking at the dates now online, so do you have them handy? What's straight up in go? The first weekend of December, whatever that is. December 1 to December 6, it says. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, awesome. James, really appreciate your time. Thanks for jumping on, particularly after a long flight, get some rest, and I'll see you down it. Well, one of your many golf clubs soon. Thanks Tom, good to chat. A message coming through from Cameron, high time, you cut into your interview with James Sutherland with news that could surely have waited five minutes, a little disrespectful to James. I know James pretty well Cameron, he's a footy guy, he would understand, that news actually

1:28:59does something that doesn't wait five minutes, you've got to get it out straight away. And one thing I commit to doing, not in this show, but every SEM shows, as soon as I get it, I'll bring it to. Michael Voss is speaking, let's drop in and have a listen to what he's saying. How much did you review those five days back about it after the game, but Cripper's starting back quarter on the bench? Did you have a look at that? Do you reconsider those plans going forward? No, I don't. I mean, I understand there might have been some commentary on it, but for me, if I'm wrong or if you all had him traded last week, didn't you? So now he's playing 100% game time, so we do what the team needs. That's what's important is it's team first, and we've got a rotation that we want to make sure that we execute really well. There's some immediate impact that we need to have clearly, but we also take the position that it's the whole game that we need to be able to play and bring intensity around the ball, so we obviously got to make sure that we keep reinforcing that. There's a lot of talk at the... Yeah, we get an acute response, but let's sort of see what the next few game shows is.

1:29:59How's Harry and Jacob looking? Good. Yeah, so they'll both be available. They trained under the protocols last week, but you know, sort of got going Friday, and they've trained fully this week, so I'd expect them to be available, they'll end up back in the side. I think I'll fit Jacob back in somewhere, even if I have to put him at full forward, you'll find a spot. But yeah, it'll be two important additions for us. Both the old and the new. I've been here messaging to George here this week, and will he be up for selection for this, they're all up for selection. No, unless they're injured, they're all available. But, you know, from he's... we've had a couple of really good chats about it, and you know, we're pretty transparent, we're not too much like it's, you know, we've taken the team first position, and he understands that, but you know, when he comes in and plays, he's going to have a really important role for that, so I'd imagine that would happen at some stage, but you know, he's been an important player for us, and obviously all those conversations are really important to have with your players. He's a bit used to be a bit of a grind,

1:31:01well, it's a struggle to score goals, but defensively they're one of the best. Well, I think you can sort of look at teams and you sort of see, you know, the system that's there, and you can definitely see the style of football they're trying to play, and they're difficult to score against, so sometimes as a team, what you have to acknowledge is when they're good at something, you have to be able to, you know, get in the fight for longer, and if we need to get in that grind and leave it there for a little while, then we'll do that, but they've also got, you know, a bit of speed that they can put on the ball at different times, so we can't certainly underestimate that, but there's a system in behind the way they play. I think Fly talks about that quite a fair bit, so we're going to have to work our way through that, but you know, we feel like we've got the cattle to be able to do it. Anything extra on the line between you and Craig this week, I think the past has been stacked in. No, that hasn't been too much on the line of recent times, so I have to give that bit more thought. So, yeah, that class as a race might taste pretty nice if we get that together live this week. Yeah. Every time you play against Collington. Yeah,

1:32:09I look, it's one of those games that get spoken about a lot. I'm sure the players are spoken about a lot already. It's a rivalry game somewhere where you are, and you know, whether they've been first, second, third, or wherever we've been. It's always been tight clashes, and when you talk about some of those games that you're talking about, some of those been decided by the well-matched last kick of the game. So, it shows you what we build up for, and we step into it, we step into the rivalry. I mean, that's the one week I get a lot of text messages from past players, and they just remind me about the value of this game, and where they have Collingwood in the picking order for them. So, we are well and truly reminded about our responsibility. So, absolutely got to bring our A-game, but we've been on the other side. So, for any rivalry, really, to take effect, we need to play a bigger role, and this obviously becomes an important game for us and our club. Any good text, so far? No, nothing. Not that I'm aware

1:33:10of, no, no bantering at this point in time, but I can tell you what I can tell you as both competitors is that the friendship well and truly stops when you get to this week, and we shake each other's hand and smile each other, but I can guarantee you we're also trying to get the result for our respective clubs. I love it too. Fantastic players back in the day. Obviously, Michael Voss, an icon for the Brisbane Lions, and Craig McCray was a really smart footballer, deaf touch, beautiful kick of the foot in his left foot, a three-time premiership player for the Brisbane Lions. Both of them were actually, and now they're up against each other. This weekend, Carlton V. Collingwood, so the news there from Michael Voss, the Jacob Weedering and Harry Dean are back in, they're leaning into the rivalry, as they should. Collingwood's won seven to the last eight against the Blues, but Carlton are confident they can turn that formline around, of course. That game this weekend is on Thursday night, so it's two days away, 48 hours away. Carlton versus Collingwood at the MCG should be a huge crowd there, hopefully, on Thursday night. Text message is coming through here on the side-bottom injury. Tommy, the still-side-bottom injury is a long-term one. I was hit,

1:34:15playing footy, and had the pointer bone bruised, and took six weeks before I could even walk properly. That's from Shane in Kindan. This is an interesting one from Brett. I haven't heard this one before. Tom Wyant plays going back further behind the man on the mark. I'm so sick of so many touched by the man on the mark, and the last one here. High Tom, just wondering if Collard wasn't suspended for that. Other incident in the Frankston game is in the striking incident, where the AFL have pushed this whole investigation discipline process through within the first week. Surely leaving him in limbo for so long is not a good look. It's drawn out too long, and the poor bloke is being hung out to dry for this offense, wrong insult at the wrong time. That's a good point. I think they would have pushed it through, had he not been suspended for the striking. There was in reality, there was no rush now that he was going to miss, well, two weeks with an early guilty plea for that. The New Macafe drinks range. It's now time for the latest news headlines with Nathan Garner. For those Collingwood fans and any footy fans, Craig McRae is not far away. Tom Morris filling in for Jared Waitley today, tomorrow and also Thursday. The message from Cameron, Tom, you need to read the room whether you know

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1:36:21Want to have your say? Ring Jared on 1-300-736-736. Now, back to Waitley. No more calls for the Metro Petroleum, a hundred dollar voucher. Brett in Mentone, in Mentone, congratulations to you. He answered bright green and blue was the answer, so well done to Brett in Mentone for getting that Metro Petroleum and Mr. Whippy are giving back to the community, bringing happiness and support to every stop. A couple of good tech messages coming through on any footy issues or other sport issues. You want to talk about this this morning, 043-398-1116. The 40-winks temper text, the difference is temper, find your personalized bedtime solution. With our friendly neighborhood sleep advisors, 40-winks serious about sleep, just a reminder, put it in your phone, 043-398-1116. Cray McCray is speaking to the media and he was being asked initially about stillside bottoms of availability this Thursday against Carlton. He won't play. Yeah, we have a six-day break and it's actually quite a lot of bleeding there, so he won't play. That's something coming

1:37:25out of the pressure again? Yeah, he got it. You probably might have saw it just before half time. He got it back and yeah, he's limited movements, so he's not going to be right. Do you have a few sort of ideas for management? Typically, when you sort of have a sort of turn around, yeah, this session is a bit of a get-moving thing. I thought after we played down the Giants and then went into the Brisbane game, we looked like we were really sore and make excuses, but I think we're way ahead of that version of us that presented a couple of weeks ago, but normal first session of the week. I think we're just getting moving. You look like in the long of a game when I'm flying, it's sort of a free at a bit. Yeah. Or can it say it looks really great, so it feels like it's sort of that very... Yeah, I don't think you could say going into the game is 100%. That was real. I kept in treatment and stuff to keep himself moving, but with a cork, I assume that the more you move, the more blood flow you get in there. So that's, yeah, ideally is 100% this week. Is it really going to be a new milestone to get this week?

1:38:26Yeah. Just speaking to his treatment so far, but also, you think he ranks as very far as a first 100 game. Yeah. Paul, it's hard to compare apples to oranges, but in terms of what he's been able to do for us, like I started the same time as him, it's very grateful for him to be part of our 40 club at that same time, because he's just made such a difference to us. His growth as an individual, as a leader and as a player has taken us on an incredible journey the last four years. Yeah, what a player, what a professional. He does things that I don't think I've seen others do. I saw a young Simon Black coming to the game as a player and he had an incredible career Simon Black himself and this guy's got every attribute to be one of the great players of all time. What can he jam into his next half of the year? Well, what more is the back of what else do you mean? Well, a few more premiers to be nice, wouldn't it? Yeah. Now, I think he's destined to be a leader of this 40 club. It's just, you know, a matter of when and where he already is.

1:39:31Now, I think there's always an evolution of everyone. We're all evolving. Yeah, playing different roles and all of those other things. So much to make about it before we go on. Yeah. That's a team with a beta to get Bobby Dillian earlier. Ah. That's a different one, he's done. No, Bobby's on a plan. Yeah, he's on a preseason mode that we've got the eye on long-term. And, you know, you're watching train today. He looks lively and excited and the agility is back. And, yeah, look, it's a little district of the plan. It's exciting to see him just improve session after session. Is there a key at time line? I'm going to play beta now. I won't say that at the moment, but we're getting closer to make one. Because the body of work is starting to build up. Now, I think it's like three or four weeks. Now, he's off of a preseason. And he's doing a lot that you don't see out here. Because he's in preseason mode. So, it's a result. Oh, I'll announce that. Yeah. Lots of things, maybe. Perhaps a lack of goals at the moment. Yeah. What is the body of the image of the connection between the mids and the ball? Yeah. Oh, there's lots of little stuff. John, there's lots.

1:40:31Which is exciting. Because I think, you know, one to get plus 16 inside 50s against the best clearance team and the best contested team in the competition up until the last round. Suggest that lots of parts of their game are going okay. But there's this little things that we do improve chemistry, connection. I keep wrestling with, is it method or is it personnel? I'm really living in that space. So, we're sort of, you know, trying to improve our method to see if it is personnel. But we're living in this constant growth mindset where we're clearly not happy. But the conditions, having said that, conditions on pride or not, the opposition on kicks seven goals. And they've got, you know, Tracy's one of the best players in the competition. Every club would love to have him in their team as you can go. So this, you know, there's obviously conditions didn't go up on the night. That's Craig McCray talking to the media. Just a few moments ago, ahead of the Thursday night's game against Carlton, confirming Steele's side bottom won't play with a hip pointer issue. Nick Daykos has 100th games this weekend as well.

1:41:31In addition to a couple of 300 games around the competition, Mark Bussarves and also Locky Neal and hasn't Nick Daykos' first 100th games just been absolutely remarkable. And plenty more to come. He did get better as Drew Jones asked from Fox as the game went on because, of course, when you warm up with a Korki, you're better in the second half in the year. And the first in McCray essentially said that as well. I think the comparison with Simon Black was really apt and probably Craig McCray's alongside Michael Voss is the best person to do that. Probably better than Voss given that he's coaching Daykos now and played alongside Simon Black to silky, great movers, find the footy and also fiercely competitive. Interested in his answer on method or personnel? Does he think it's method or personnel why things aren't going too well at the moment for the pies? I think most of us would agree that it's more personnel. I don't think anyone can criticize Craig McCray's coaching necessarily, broadly speaking. He's a Premiership coach. He's rebuilt this team after Nathan Buckley got sacked. But do they have the players? Do they have the cattle to succeed or go deep into finals?

1:42:33That's the big question this year. And I think the jury's very much out on that to have the pace, to have the skill. Is there forward line strong enough? I think that's what many Collingwood supporters are asking at the moment. This question for morgues in Ballarat. High time brown low voting for the butters game will be interesting. Zach was very much one of the better players that night. I would like to think that regardless of being reported or being in trouble with the umpires or having a verbal altercation with an umpire that the umpires still give the three votes to the best player in the field and the two votes to the second best player in the field and the one vote to the third best player in the field. I would like to think that would still be the case from that game on the weekend. A question about Luke Parker who's in great form. When Luke Parker currently be in the Australian team, I know we're only five games in but he's moving to the back line has been a master's trope from Clarko. I thought this time last year that this year would probably be Luke Parker's last season but we had him on a crunch time two weeks ago. He's keen to play for as long as he can and who would be downing him at the moment. He seems to be getting better as North Melbourne

1:43:35seem to be getting better as well. I do want to cover off on this topic which I noticed when I was at the game on Sunday night, Port Adelaide versus St Kilda. So the question from Saul in Corefield has the AFL made any comment on the behind that was awarded to Port Adelaide at the end of quarter one on Sunday where it appears the Port player assisted in getting the ball over the line after the siren. Can you clarify with the AFL if under rule 16.5.2 Art could not overturn. So I watched this again and I saw it in the night because Jordan's suite was the Port Adelaide player that appeared to punch it over the line after his teammate kicked it in from just outside 50 metres and the rule 16.5.2 reads as follows or the law reads as follows. A behind shall still be recorded under this law if the football is touched in transit by another player. Provided the field on fire satisfied that the scoring of the behind was not assisted by a player from the same team. I figured it is unequivocal, unequivocal

1:44:37that this was assisted by Jordan's suite a player from the same team and so it was brought to my attention by a friend of mine called George and I watched it back and it's excellent text messages there from Saul. I think there's no doubt that in a game that was marginalized for quite some time and maybe a season that might be on the finer edge of the margins that Port Adelaide picked up 1.2 many and I was interested in that umpiring call not just from the field umpire who signaled all clear to the goal umpire but also the goal umpire when clearly it seemed like Jordan's suite punched it over in transit. I did forecast earlier the Sean Darcy discussion which Kane Corn has been very strong on for a long period of time. Is there room for Sean Darcy and Luke Jackson in Fremantle's best team? And if not what do they do with Sean Darcy on big money long term deal surely another club would be interested in his services at the end of the year. He is concussed at the moment Sean Darcy, so he won't play this weekend which might open the door for Mason Cox. This is Justin Longmeer speaking about

1:45:38his big-bodied Rockman. Yeah he's bounced back well um the concussion yeah the headaches and that have gone and he's got a bit of sowness in his neck still but we expect that to resolve itself um don't think there's any structural damage there but yeah and he's gone well with his concussion so he's ended the protocols and he'll tick off the boxes as they as they need but yeah it was disappointing so early and it's disappointing for him because as everyone knows he's just getting back into his footy. Justin Longmeer speaking on Sean Darcy a couple of messages here are the votes for the best and fairest or just the best. The brown loads for the best and fairest the MRO and the tribunal determine that the umpires don't determine the fairest necessarily they report the player but they don't suspend the player. So I would strongly suggest that the best three players on the field regardless of how they actually act from a fair point of view um will be awarded the best will be awarded the votes in those games and I think that's fairly common place across the AFL fair questions though from uh Prue and Bendigo

1:46:38and also Peter in Happy Valley. Uh so is Mason Cox a chance to replace Sean Darcy? That's the next question let's have a listen to what Longmeer said on that. Oh it's definitely a chance that we obviously haven't had selection yet but it's the model we've gone with for the last yeah for a for a while now and especially the last um year and a half. Yeah we'll discuss that later in the week he's in his in good format um Piel Thunder and uh he'll definitely put his hand up so yeah we'll just discuss that later in the week. I don't think there's any been any doubt that is uh whether his AFL ready or not has been more about the opportunity but we've also hopefully got a couple of players returning this week so we'll just have to have a look at the structure of the team. Bit of a shrinking violet do you think about a hand of the tabi uh Mike Big Maiso? Yeah no he's looking forward to playing in the weekend he was pretty disappointing when I told him he wasn't going to face his old mob but yeah he'll be up for any game I'd imagine. I think Mason Cox has been in pretty good form at the waffle level as well. He um at 23 disposal he'll keep the goal a couple of weeks ago

1:47:39certainly wants to place on that two-year deal. The dockers in particular for this sort of moment when one of Darcy or Luke Jackson was missing so that selection news will come over the next couple of days for City Power Melbourne's weather a cloudy a top of 20 City Power working in all conditions to keep your power connected essential as Drain Russell isn't far away. Waitley on SEM. I've kickstarted the Brownlow discussion without even meaning to a text coming through from Brody and Bansdale. Tommy what are your thoughts on this? Remove suspension ineligibility for the Brownlow the fairest component should be one vote removed per week suspended. Example a two-week suspension means the player loses two votes on Brownlow 9. Thoughts Brody I've often thought especially in recent years with players being suspended for essentially football acts tax tackles and bumps that are a touch high and not necessarily intentional that the Brownlow is a bit skewed and we're just walking towards a moment when a player doesn't win the Brownlow for a tackle that 10 years ago would have been not just deemed unsuspendable but actually not even a free kick.

1:48:41So I think that's happening at some stage. I don't mind the idea. I'm all for I'm all for opening the discussion around how we can make it better. This is from Bill. Tell that to Diesel Tom no votes in 1993 for a dominant 43 possession game and lost the Brownlow by one. I hear you but even if Zach Butters does get fined at the tribunal he's still eligible for the for the Brownlow medal this year. So I think Mick foot and the other two or the other three umpires not giving him votes because he might be fined would be not doing their responsibility to name the three best players on the field. Dwayne Russell's up next Dwayne's world is an absolute behemoth. He was in great form with his milk and his chocolate bars and his Coca-Cola's in Adelaide and he's back again today. Dwayne midday madness is often mad but I feel like it's going to be slightly more crazy this afternoon. Yeah it was wild yesterday. The lines are full for pretty much two hours. Tuesday's a little different in that. We tend to get to a lot of the stuff that got lost in the wash on Monday and people couldn't get through to talk about. Yes. Obviously the Zach Butters story is the biggest story of the day.

1:49:43Yeah and his Brownlow eligibility interesting little sideline to that because if the umpires deemed that he wasn't playing fairly enough then they're not going to give him votes obviously and it'll be interesting to see on Brownlow night exactly how transpires and what transpires today. It's an early hearing today as well which is probably good news and we're going to be able to find out about a 330 today it starts. Yeah it's just so rare that something that could is only ever going to cost a player $1,500 could be so contested. Like it could be a marathon tribunal hearing all for $1,500 Dwayne. So it can't be extended beyond $1,500 that's it. Well that's the fixed financial sanction. No it can be more but I think it's highly unlikely it would be more. I mean if you look at the if you look at recent history this sort of offence okay if he's found guilty you could argue that he said the wrong thing if he is found guilty but I'd be shocked if there's anything more than a low level fixed financial sanction which is $1,500. Yeah so we're all waiting to see exactly what transpires this afternoon but yes we've

1:50:44what got lost in the rush in the wash up of gather round so I can't wait to take a few calls on that. Richmond might be the thing that did get lost in the wash. There were a lot of coaches under pressure preseason like well Ross Lyme was but now he's two and three so the pressure's off Ross Lyme a bit. How lots of Clarks is now three and two so the pressure's off Clarko. Luke Beverage got a lot of heat preseason but therefore one of them going well. Brad Scott had a win Dwayne. Brad Scott had a win. There's a few that have got the pressure off them but Luke Richmond was an interesting one yesterday on the text. I've got a heap of text saying Richmond need to face them. Heat Richmond need to face them or scrutiny why we leave in Richmond alone and then I've got another text once while I read a few of those texts out saying what is this batch Richmond day? So I am interested to take a few calls from Richmond fans because they are. Well it was always one 752 games as Richmond coach so we might even talk a bit about that. The Tigers that's Dwayne Russell coming up next are listening to Matt Shervington Luke Hodg Ashley Brown and James Sutherland back on your podcast. I'll be back tomorrow on Waitley but it is mid-dad madness

1:51:46with a madness himself Dwayne Russell's next.